Making Sense of Martech

Juan Mendoza + Jacqueline Freedman
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Aug 8, 2023 • 1h 2min

#52 | Rajan Kumar on why companies fail to get the most out of Martech

A conversation with Rajan Kumar. In this episode, we have Rajan Kumar, CEO and cofounder of The Lumery. He's an unusual guest because not too long ago Raj was my boss! It's a pleasure to have Raj on to talk about their latest research entitled Stacks on Stacks on Stacks - The Voices of Martech. Raj has pioneered a unique approach to MarTech consulting, combining the optimization of tech stacks with the development of clients' internal capabilities, processes, and data-driven cultures, ensuring lasting outcomes can be achieved. Rajan is passionate about building high-performance teams through supportive culture and loves collaborating with forward thinkers. In this episode we talk about the "Ferrari in the garage" problem in Martech, how leaders in enterprise brands thinking about investing into Martech, coordination problems in Martech, the path to progress, and the influence of personal ambition when buying and using Martech. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Rajan on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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Aug 1, 2023 • 47min

#51 | Shoshana Wodinsky on the perils of privacy in a world of ad networks

A conversation with Shoshana Wodinsky. In this episode, I'm joined by Shoshana Wodinsky, a technology researcher and former investigative reporter doing some of the best investigative journalism in the space of Adtech, privacy and online surveillance. Shoshana is the investigative director for consulting firm Web X Ray. Shoshana has had her work cited by The New York Times, The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal. She is a prolific writer, penning articles like, How Google Ruined the Internet (According to Texas), Here's How California's Prop 24 Could Better—or Break—Our Privacy for Good, Opportunism, Thy Name Is Zuckerberg to name a few. In this episode, we talk about the problems plaguing Adtech, the challenge of consumer privacy in a world of tech giants, why Shoshana is dedicating her career to investigating tech companies from a privacy lens, and how to balance enabling free online content and services while preventing the surveillance of consumers, among many other topics. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Shoshana on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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Jul 11, 2023 • 57min

#50 | Roger Dunn on the rise of retail media and navigating the trade-offs between ads and experience with online commerce

A conversation with Roger Dunn. In this episode, we are joined by Roger Dunn. Roger is a consultant in retail media space and recently worked as Head of Retail Media for Australia & New Zealand at Criteo, where he helped retailers setup & scale their own retail media networks, as well as forming partnerships and broader up-skilling of agencies. Roger previously spent the majority of his career agency side specialising in retail and e-commerce and played a crucial role as founder of GroupM Commerce in ANZ, he was also the e-commerce lead for WPP AUNZ and more. On the Agency side, Roger has also help created the Amazon Academy & Amazon Unboxed event at GroupM, building strong relationships with key partners like Amazon, eBay & Woolworth's Cartology. In this episode, we talk about the rise of retail media and where it sits in the broader media landscape, how it compares to other type of media, the current silos and inefficiencies, navigating the trade-offs between ads and experiences as well as channels and opportunities. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Roger on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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Jun 28, 2023 • 1h 3min

#49 | Jay Sanderson on Composable CDP and DXP, AI and new interfaces for building CX, and leading edge personalisation

A conversation with Jay Sanderson. In this episode I'm joined by Jay Sanderson. He's the senior manager of product marketing for Progress digital experience. Progress enables customers to develop the applications and experiences they need, deploy where and how they want and manage it all safely and securely. Hundreds of thousands of enterprises, including 1,700 software companies and 3.5 million developers, depend on Progress everyday to deploy customer experiences. Jay has worked across companies such as Sitecore, AT&T and Thomson Reuters. After moving from development and technical roles into the world of digital marketing, he quickly realised the need for data-driven decision-making and new ways to leverage mar-tech platform features to achieve growth and becoming an advocate. In this episode we talk about the changing category of digital experience platforms, how Jay approaches and defines composability in the CDP and DXP space, Generative AI and the new interfaces for building CX, and what the leading edge of personalisation looks like for the enterprise. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Jay on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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Jun 13, 2023 • 1h 2min

#48 | Michelle Songy on the problem with PR, building a media marketplace and getting publicity

A conversation with Michelle Songy. In this episode, I'm joined by Michelle Songy. Michelle is a startup founder, company executive and innovator in the space of media and technology. Michelle is the founder and CEO of Press Hook one of the first media relations platforms that connects media to brands and publicists at scale. Prior to founding Press Hook, Michelle founded Cake, a mobile payments platform for restaurants that was acquired by American Express. Michelle has also worked in finance at Coca-Cola and is an investor with a variety of funds. In this episode, we talk about the problem of public relations, why companies want media attention, building a two-sided marketplace in media, what journalists really want and the impact of generative AI tools on the media industry. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ You can find Michelle on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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May 16, 2023 • 1h 10min

#46 | Tom Goodwin on progress and pessimism in marketing and technology

A conversation with Tom Goodwin. In this episode we have Tom Goodwin joining us. If you work in marketing, advertising or tech he probably needs no introduction. Tom is an international keynote speaker, the author of Digital Darwinism, the co-founder of consultancy ALL WE HAVE IS NOW, a TV presenter, and a regular contributor for The Guardian, TechCrunch, and Forbes, GQ, Ad Age, Wired, Ad Week, Inc, MediaPost and Digiday. In this episode we talk about progress and pessimism, how we should critique new technologies, hype exhaustion, what limits progress, working with change, and how our history should inform our present and future. Go here for ⁠⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠⁠ You can find Tom on ⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.
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May 2, 2023 • 1h 1min

#45| Myles Younger on the convergence of Adtech and Martech

A conversation with Myles Younger. In this episode, we have Myles Younger. Myles is the Head of Innovation & Insights at U of Digital, an AdTech focused education firm. Prior to joining U of Digital. Myles' nearly 20 year career in advertising has spanned every facet of the business, from his time in client-side marketing, to his experience as an ad tech founder and product leader, to his experience inside the world of agencies and consulting. Most recently Myles was VP Go-to-Market, Data at Media.Monks and prior to that he founded the Canned Banners dynamic ads platform which was acquired by Thunder in 2017. Writing and speaking frequently on digital media & advertising topics, Myles is a regular contributor to industry publications such as Adweek, AdExchanger, and AdMonsters. In this episode Myles and I speak about… convergence of advertising and marketing tools, how third-party cookies are radically changing the industry, educational challenges in the industry and how AdTech can shake off its increasingly negative perception. Go here for ⁠⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠⁠LinkedIn ⁠⁠and ⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠. Listen on⁠⁠ Apple⁠⁠,⁠⁠ Spotify⁠⁠,⁠⁠ Google⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠everywhere else.⁠⁠ You can find Myles on ⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠.
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Apr 18, 2023 • 60min

#44| Ross Candido on the social stack and the evolution of social listening

A conversation with Ross Candido. Today I'm joined by Ross Candido. Ross is the VP of ANZ and SEA at Meltwater a leading media monitoring & social analytics platform. Meltwater offers a suite of solutions that spans media, social, consumer, and sales intelligence. By analysing ~1 billion pieces of content each day and transforming them into vital insights, Meltwater provides competitive intelligence and consumer insights for over 27,000 global customers across six continents. Ross has been instrumental in growing one of the longest-standing and influential media intelligence and social analytics platforms, and bringing Meltwater to new markets including South East Asia, China, UAE and South Africa, before landing his current role based out of Australia. In this episode, we'll talk about the social stack - all the tools that make up social marketing, public relations, and media monitoring. We talk about how social listening has evolved over time, the wide varieties of data available to companies from social channels, how insights are gained from media data, and how the way we socialise has changed. Go here for ⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠LinkedIn ⁠and ⁠Twitter⁠. Listen on⁠ Apple⁠,⁠ Spotify⁠,⁠ Google⁠, and ⁠everywhere else.⁠ You can find Ross on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ⁠.
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Apr 11, 2023 • 48min

#43| Bryan Williams on partnership strategy, platform ecosystems and the problem of monopolies

A conversation with Bryan Williams. In this episode, I'm joined by Bryan Williams. Bryan is the founder of the newly formed firm Hockey Stick Advisory. An experienced operator in the platform ecosystem space, Bryan played a key role in building out Xero's partnerships and application ecosystems as the former director of Ecosystem and Apps. Bryan has also served as a mentor and advisor through startup accelerator programs such as Blackbird Giants program and StartUp Vic office hours programs. In this episode, we talk about the growing role of platform ecosystems in the marketing technology landscape and how companies are building new channels of growth, customer engagement, and partnerships. We touch on the incentives of ecosystems and their role in the broader marketing and tech industry, how ecosystems form within companies, identifying how other companies serve your customer, and the different kinds of ecosystems in the market. Go here for ⁠show notes, links, and resources.⁠ Follow Juan Mendoza on ⁠LinkedIn ⁠and ⁠Twitter⁠. Listen on⁠ Apple⁠,⁠ Spotify⁠,⁠ Google⁠, and ⁠everywhere else.⁠ You can find Bryan on ⁠LinkedIn⁠.
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Mar 14, 2023 • 52min

#42 | Juan Baron on data clean rooms, the privacy paradox, data and trust, and cryptography in advertising

A conversation with Juan Baron. In this episode, I am joined by another Juan…. Juan Baron! Juan is the Director of Business Development and Strategy for media and advertising at Decentriq. Decentriq calls itself The "Switzerland" of data that is coincidentally also headquartered in Switzerland..... Founded in 2018, the company is inventing novel technology to enable publishers, brands, researchers, platforms, and advertisers to collaborate data in a way that ensures privacy and security. Decentriq works with companies such as Roche, Microsoft and Intel to enable more privacy-focused data collaboration and audience matching. In a world where privacy is becoming an increasing focus across marketing and advertising, data clean rooms play an interesting role in the growth of first-party data sharing as third-party tracking is slowly becoming a thing of the past. In this episode, we have a fascinating discussion about the privacy paradox: balancing privacy and utility, the role of trust in data collaboration & sharing, how inventions in cryptography and ML are changing the Adtech ecosystem, and the scalability of data clean rooms in an increasingly saturated market. Go here for show notes, links, and resources. Follow Juan Mendoza on LinkedIn and Twitter. Listen on Apple, Spotify, Google, and everywhere else. You can find Juan on LinkedIn and Twitter.

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