No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp
Tokens Media
What does it really mean to live a good life—in our politics, our faith, our work, and our relationships?
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
On No Small Endeavor with Lee C. Camp, we explore the ideas, practices, and public debates that shape human flourishing today. Each week you’ll hear thought-provoking conversations with bestselling authors, philosophers, neuroscientists, psychologists, theologians, artists, and political leaders—people wrestling with the biggest questions of meaning and purpose in our time.
Together we ask:
How can religion be a force for healing instead of division?
What does neuroscience reveal about happiness, habits, and productivity?
Where do politics and justice meet the pursuit of the common good?
How do truth, beauty, and goodness help us live well—personally and collectively?
If you care about faith, politics, social justice, science, or the search for meaning, you’ll find courageous, practical conversations here. Because pursuing a meaningful life is no small endeavor—and we’re with you on the road.
Learn more at nosmallendeavor.com.
Episodes
Mentioned books
Feb 2, 2026 • 52min
247: Judith Moskowitz: How to Flourish Amidst Stress (Best of NSE)
Judith Moskowitz, social psychologist and Northwestern professor who studies how positive emotion helps people cope with intense stress. She recounts research with AIDS caregivers and explains emotional nuance. Short, research-backed practices are highlighted: noticing small positives, savoring, gratitude, mindfulness, self-compassion, reappraisal, and kindness. The conversation focuses on holding joy and sorrow together and building gentle habits.
15 snips
Jan 30, 2026 • 1h 8min
245: Unabridged Interview: Rumman Chowdhury
Rumman Chowdhury, data scientist and social scientist who leads AI ethics work and co-founded Humane Intelligence. She probes who benefits from AI and warns against blaming machines to avoid human responsibility. She examines surveillance disguised as convenience, corporate incentives shaping tech, and the need for rigorous, socio-technical evaluation of AI systems.
Jan 28, 2026 • 51min
The Subtext: Celebrities Should Stay in Their Lane
A lively debate about whether public figures should comment on politics and morality. They unpack double standards that praise some voices while silencing others. Conversation explores storytelling as moral speech, prudence and consequences of speaking out, and social media's role in shaping public moral claims. Listeners are urged to engage ideas rather than police who gets to speak.
6 snips
Jan 26, 2026 • 52min
245: Rumman Chowdhury: Why the Real AI Crisis Is Moral, Not Technical
Rumman Chowdhury, social scientist and AI ethics leader who built ML accountability work at Twitter and Humane Intelligence. She argues AI problems are about power, incentives, and responsibility. Short takes on surveillance cloaked as convenience, moral outsourcing that blames machines, and how industry incentives shape harms. Calls for rigorous evaluation and governance focused on who benefits.
Jan 23, 2026 • 1h 11min
246: Unabridged Interview: Amishi Jha
Amishi Jha, a neuroscientist and director of Contemplative Neuroscience at the University of Miami, explores the topic of attention and mindfulness. She reveals that we spend nearly half our waking hours inattentive, emphasizing how our mental health and relationships suffer. Jha introduces mindfulness meditation as a powerful, accessible tool requiring just 12 minutes daily to enhance focus and emotional regulation. She also discusses how technology amplifies distraction and shares her personal journey of using mindfulness for resilience after personal trauma.
18 snips
Jan 21, 2026 • 43min
The Subtext: If You’re Not Terrified, You’re Not Paying Attention
The podcast dives into the fine line between being informed and emotionally hijacked by fear. It challenges the idea that terror proves awareness, urging listeners to practice emotional hygiene instead. Personal stories reveal how confronting mortality and exposure to suffering can impact mental health. The hosts explore how social media might stifle real-world action through participatory outrage. They advocate for focusing attention on specific causes and engaging in meaningful, humble practices for tangible change.
26 snips
Jan 19, 2026 • 52min
246: Amishi Jha: Push-ups for Your Brain (Best of NSE)
Amishi Jha, a neuroscientist and mindfulness expert, dives into the intricacies of attention in our technology-driven lives. She opens up about how nearly half of our waking moments are spent mind-wandering and the importance of reclaiming our focus. With just 12 minutes of mindfulness meditation daily, Jha explains how we can enhance our attention, combat stress, and improve mental resilience. She even shares a unique exercise to observe our thoughts without attachment, all while connecting her insights to personal experiences of loss and healing.
21 snips
Jan 16, 2026 • 1h 9min
244: Unabridged Interview: Malcolm Gladwell
In this conversation, Malcolm Gladwell, a renowned journalist and author known for his narrative nonfiction, delves into the chilling story of The Alabama Murders. He examines how indifference, rather than direct evil, can lead to societal suffering. Gladwell illustrates the power of storytelling in awakening moral vision, urging listeners to confront accepted norms as distortions. He reflects on the challenges of portraying the South fairly while grappling with issues like bureaucratic cruelty and the complexities of forgiveness within the context of injustice.
Jan 14, 2026 • 44min
The Subtext: Secret Episode of Stranger Things
Dive into the intriguing world of Stranger Things conspiracy theories and the human struggle with disappointment. Explore the wild notion that fans believed a secret ninth episode was hidden in the finale. Delve into cognitive dissonance, the psychology behind people's need to reinterpret failures, and how belief can strengthen within communities after disconfirmation. Historical examples like the Millerites' Great Disappointment illustrate these themes, while the discussion touches on the impact of AI on artistic integrity and the value of embracing fallibility.
39 snips
Jan 12, 2026 • 51min
244: Malcolm Gladwell: What a True Crime Reveals About the Sin of Indifference
Malcolm Gladwell, bestselling author and podcaster of Revisionist History, dives deep into the 1988 Alabama murder case and its unsettling revelations about societal indifference. He discusses how powerful storytelling can awaken moral vision by challenging our acceptance of injustice. Gladwell argues that indifference may be the greatest sin of our times and emphasizes the necessity of honoring our community's beauty while acknowledging its flaws. The conversation also touches on the role of storytellers in revealing hidden injustices and the complexities of forgiveness.
