

Perpetual Traffic
Tier 11
Perpetual Traffic is a twice weekly podcast for CMOs, marketing directors, and business owners who want to master paid advertising, scale their businesses profitably and stay one step ahead of the shifting paid advertising landscape of today.
Hosted by Ralph Burns (CEO of Tier 11, managing $200M+ in ad spend), the show covers digital marketing strategy, paid traffic optimization, and performance marketing, featuring expert interviews, case studies, and actionable campaign breakdowns.
If you’re tired of wasting ad spend on campaigns that don’t convert, struggling to prove marketing ROI to executives, or overwhelmed by constantly changing platform algorithms and marketing tactics that promise results but deliver disappointment you’re in the right place.
This show will give you the proven strategies from agencies managing millions in ad spend, behind-the-scenes campaign optimizations that actually work, and expert insights on marketing metrics that matter for real business growth.
From Meta Ads and Google optimization to landing page conversion tactics and marketing attribution, each episode delivers actionable strategies you can implement immediately to improve your ROAS and scale your marketing efforts.
Get all the free episode resources at perpetualtraffic.com
13+ million downloads | 700+ episodes | Weekly since 2015
Hosted by Ralph Burns (CEO of Tier 11, managing $200M+ in ad spend), the show covers digital marketing strategy, paid traffic optimization, and performance marketing, featuring expert interviews, case studies, and actionable campaign breakdowns.
If you’re tired of wasting ad spend on campaigns that don’t convert, struggling to prove marketing ROI to executives, or overwhelmed by constantly changing platform algorithms and marketing tactics that promise results but deliver disappointment you’re in the right place.
This show will give you the proven strategies from agencies managing millions in ad spend, behind-the-scenes campaign optimizations that actually work, and expert insights on marketing metrics that matter for real business growth.
From Meta Ads and Google optimization to landing page conversion tactics and marketing attribution, each episode delivers actionable strategies you can implement immediately to improve your ROAS and scale your marketing efforts.
Get all the free episode resources at perpetualtraffic.com
13+ million downloads | 700+ episodes | Weekly since 2015
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Mar 27, 2026 • 27min
The Funnel Is Dead. Here’s What Full-Funnel Actually Means Now
They argue that traditional funnels are outdated and social comments now act like a sales floor. A $4,000 hammock case study shows emotional storytelling can unlock high-ticket sales. They explain building a mini funnel inside Meta ads and warn against relying solely on Google or Amazon. The episode stresses weaving brand purpose and feeling into performance marketing.

Mar 24, 2026 • 20min
Your Comments Section Is a Sales Floor. Is Anyone Working It?
They argue the classic funnel is outdated and introduce full-funnel thinking. The conversation spotlights post-click experiences and why comments on ads and social media are hidden sales opportunities. Practical tactics are shared for turning replies and DMs into conversions, scheduling comment work, and using AI and tools to scale conversational selling.

Mar 20, 2026 • 40min
Still Relying on Old Funnels? Here’s What's Working in Meta Ads Right Now
They challenge the old rigid funnel approach and explain why it often fails on Meta. They unpack audience segmentation and why engaged audiences can beat cold prospects. Learn about the “Five Horsemen” campaign structure, view-through versus click-through splits, and using reach and UGC to lower downstream costs. Creative diversification and turning organic reels into paid assets are highlighted as core tactics.

Mar 17, 2026 • 30min
Your CAC Is Lying to You — Here's the Number That Isn't
Stop flying blind with data! Let us give you the exact blueprint you need to scale fast. Book your spot: https://www.tiereleven.com/audit (only 3 spots available).Is your customer acquisition cost (CAC) accurate? In this episode, we answer the critical question every marketer and business owner faces: Can you trust the data you’re getting from ad platforms? If you can’t fully rely on those numbers, how can you be sure that your strategy is working?We’ll address these questions and share our thoughts on audience definitions, data accuracy, and how to ensure that your marketing efforts are really driving new customer acquisition. We also reveal how you can start tracking new customers with a high degree of confidence, even if you don’t have access to advanced reporting tools.If you’re ready to get a clearer view of your numbers and know exactly where your growth is coming from, this episode is for you. In This Episode:- How to ensure customer acquisition data is accurate- Meta’s audience definitions and why they matter- Is Meta’s data on new and returning customers accurate?- Uploading customer and lead lists to improve accuracy- How to find new customer data on Meta and CRM dashboards Mentioned in the Episode:Partner With Our Marketing Experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/auditWe’re opening up sponsorship spots for Q1 and Q2! Ads Spothttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit

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Mar 10, 2026 • 46min
How to Tell If Your Agency Is Performing (Not Just Reporting)
They expose how in-platform metrics can lie and why CRM or store data must be the source of truth. They unpack attribution tricks like view-through and double-counting that inflate performance. They share checks to test tracking and routines to act like a customer. They list sharp weekly and monthly questions to force accountability and spot agencies that only report instead of driving growth.

Mar 6, 2026 • 38min
Is Your Agency Performing Or Just Reporting Well?
They expose agencies that report flattering metrics while failing to drive revenue. You hear a $30–40K-per-month cautionary tale about tracking failures and bot traffic. They compare vanity numbers to revenue-backed KPIs and outline which metrics matter. Practical guidance covers when to hire agencies versus in-house, agency types, cost math, dashboards, and how to spot inaccurate reporting.

Mar 3, 2026 • 36min
Meta Andromeda 'Ice Cream Strategy' - Stop Killing Your Best Flavors!
They use an ice cream metaphor to show why slight copy or color swaps do not count as creative diversification. They explain Meta’s creative rules and why you need truly different angles that act like distinct flavors. They cover hook rate versus conversions, contribution over last-click attribution, and a simple “Rule of Six” system to keep high-performing creatives running.

Feb 27, 2026 • 54min
How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M with Oli Liboy
Relying solely on Google ads to drive leads is risky. Our team can help you balance Meta and Google ads to lower costs and boost conversions. Partner with our marketing experts today: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Tier 11’s Oli Liboy joins me to explore the multi-channel strategy that earned a personal injury law firm $55.2M in revenue. We discuss how Google’s shift from a traffic machine to an intent machine has changed the game for high-stakes industries. Oli shares how Meta ads, combined with Google’s intent-driven platform, work together to generate both awareness and high-quality leads even in the most competitive markets.If you’re a lawyer or marketer in this space, or just interested in the future of digital marketing, this episode is packed with valuable insights. We’ll break down strategies for scaling your paid ads without blowing your budget, optimizing your Google campaigns for intent, and creating brand awareness through Meta.In This Episode:- Oli's background and experience- The danger of relying only on Google Ads- Google Ads transformation into an "intent machine"- Balancing Meta and Google ads strategies- Why generating awareness on Meta is critical for conversions on Google - Using Google and Meta ads for personal injury cases- The importance of tracking and CRM setup- Optimal scenario for combining Meta and Google- How Google local services ads (LSAs) work- Qualifying Google ad clicks- Optimizing the Meta and Google mix for a law firm- The real results of the personal injury case studyMentioned in the Episode:Part 1 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SiPLJYzkI Part 2 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWrUeotDYzs Previous Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case Study: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+law Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Oli Liboy:LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oli-liboy Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:Head to www.perpetualtraffic.com to apply to be a sponsor of this showhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetual

Feb 24, 2026 • 32min
How We Turned $25K into $184M in Personal Injury Settlements
The right digital marketing strategy can turn high-cost clicks into millions in revenue. We want to help your business achieve this and more!Partner with our marketing experts today: https://www.tiereleven.com/applyToday, we continue our review of a real-world personal injury law firm case study where we transformed a modest ad spend into over $184 million in settlements. We didn't just buy media; we built a strategic, multi-channel system that generated outstanding results.I’ll walk you through the specific steps we took, from installing tracking software to optimizing the site post-click. The game-changer was refining the landing pages and ad creatives, improving conversion rates, and building a cohesive Google and Meta strategy. Consequently, we achieved a significant drop in cost per signed case and a massive increase in qualified leads.If you're serious about scaling your business, whether in legal services or other services, this three-part series will help you refine your approach to paid media in 2026 and beyond.In This Episode:- Introduction and part 1 recap- Optimizing after-the-click experience- Results after optimizing landing pages- Continued optimization of Meta and Google ads- Google Ads performance in 2025- How Meta and Google work together- Final results: Scaling to $184 million in settlementsMentioned in the Episode:Watch Part 1 of How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SiPLJYzkIDownload Tier 11’s Marketing Performance Indicators (MPI) Checklist: https://www.tiereleven.com/mpiTier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suiteTier 11’s nCAC Calculator: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncacPrevious Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case Study: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+lawListen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuKSubscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtrafConnect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburnsInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-nowConnect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrulloConsult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/audithttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/auditHead to www.perpetualtraffic.com to apply to be a sponsor of this show

Feb 20, 2026 • 51min
How We Made a Personal Injury Law Firm $55.2M (Case Study)
You can scale your business fast with the right digital marketing partners and strategy.Partner with our Meta ads experts: https://www.tiereleven.com/apply Are you still betting your entire growth plan on Google? If you’re treating search like the “engine,” you might be building demand everywhere else and giving it zero credit.In this case study, I break down four years of work inside one of the most brutally competitive niches we serve. Personal injury law. We took a Michigan firm from messy tracking and misaligned leads to a machine that consistently optimized for the only metric that matters: signed cases. Early on, we drove a 70% drop in cost per signed case to about $1,518 and still achieved roughly a 20x ROI. I’ll walk you through the Meta and Google synergy, the tracking stack that made optimization possible, and the “signed case maximizer” framework we use to scale without drowning in junk leads. In This Episode:- Early wins: leads, CPL, and CPC improvements- The 1,500 CAC and 20x ROI math- Spending $2,900 per signed case for $55m in revenue- Case diagnosis: no avatar and conversion tracking- Prescription: installing Tier 11 Data Suite- Deploying the signed case maximizer framework- Using Google’s 90-day conversion tracking window- Installing the digital strategy velocity engine- Combining Meta and Google ads to maximize results- Impressions and leads from optimized adsMentioned in the Episode:Tier 11’s Data Suite: https://www.tiereleven.com/what-we-do/data-suite Tier 11’s nCAC Calculator: https://www.tiereleven.com/ncac Previous Episodes On The Personal Injury Law Case: https://perpetualtraffic.com/?s=personal+injury+law Listen to This Episode on Your Favorite Podcast Channel:Follow and listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/perpetual-traffic/id1022441491 Follow and listen on Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/59lhtIWHw1XXsRmT5HBAuK Subscribe and watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@perpetual_traffic?sub_confirmation=1We Appreciate Your Support!Visit our website: https://perpetualtraffic.com/ Follow us on X: https://x.com/perpetualtraf Connect with Ralph Burns: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralphburns Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/ralphhburns/ Hire Tier11 - https://www.tiereleven.com/apply-now Connect with Lauren Petrullo:Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/laurenepetrullo/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurenpetrullo Consult Mongoose Media - https://mongoosemedia.us/ Mentioned in this episode:https://www.tiereleven.com/auditHead to www.perpetualtraffic.com to apply to be a sponsor of this showhttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.tiereleven.com/audit


