Playing With Fire

Betrayal isn’t a fun topic for anyone. But when it comes to non-monogamy, betrayal can actually be really hard to identify, because we often don’t have clear cultural scripts and shared assumptions about what’s okay and what’s not. This can open us up to profound experiences of betrayal that make you question not just your partner, but yourself and reality.Eve Rickert (co-author of the second edition of More Than Two and publisher at Thornapple Press) joins us for a MUCH-needed conversation about her powerful new book, Nonmonogamy and Betrayal. We're talking situationships that masquerade as real relationships, people who act like they're building attachment-based connections while secretly keeping one foot out the door, and the ways non-monogamy's flexibility can actually get weaponized against us.If you've ever felt like you were in one relationship while your partner thought you were in something completely different, or if you're struggling to name what went wrong when someone hurt you (but technically didn't break an explicit agreement), this episode is essential listening. We draw on personal experiences of both experiencing and causing betrayal, and we get real about the repair work that has to happen.In this episode, we talk about:— How betrayal is more than just breaking agreements—it's a violation of trust that removes your agency and ability to consent to the reality you're actually living— The difference between betrayals within a relationship (like broken agreements) and betrayals about the relationship (where you discover the whole thing wasn't what you thought it was)— Eve's concept of "bees in the closet"—when your partner makes major changes without your input and then acts like you should have explicitly negotiated against something no reasonable person would expect— Situationships and Schrödinger's relationships: how refusing to define what you're doing creates plausible deniability and sets the stage for betrayal— Why casual relationships actually require more communication and clearer agreements than "serious" ones— The secretly monogamous partner who uses non-monogamy language but is really just waiting for you to become their life partner— How betrayal destroys self-trust, not just trust in your partner, and why repairing with yourself has to come before repairing the relationship— Poly under duress as a potential betrayal that can go both ways, and how self-betrayal happens when you say yes but mean no— Why the flexibility of non-monogamy can get weaponized— The reality that repair isn't always possible (and why that might be the case)— Practical approaches to rebuilding trust after betrayalResources mentioned in this episode:— Eve Rickert's book Nonmonogamy and Betrayal (available at Thornapple Press and wherever you buy books)— The second edition of *More Than Two* by Eve Rickert and Andrea Zanin— Eve's blog post "Bees in the Closet"— Visit thornapplepress.ca for all of Eve's books and more!— Episode 212: Repair Skills— Repair Skills YouTube playlistJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Have you ever felt totally torn between two seemingly incompatible desires? Like part of you wants the freedom of non-monogamy while another part longs for that "one and only" Disney story? You're not alone, and this inner conflict isn't something to rush past—it might actually be your greatest opportunity for growth.In this episode, we’re exploring the Jungian concept of "the tension of opposites" and how it applies to non-monogamy. Rather than seeing these inner conflicts as problems to solve, we explore how bearing this tension can lead to unexpected breakthroughs and deeper self-understanding. This isn't just theoretical—we share practical, creative ways to work with these tensions that go beyond simply "sitting with" uncomfortable feelings.We’re breaking down:— What the "tension of opposites" means and why it's particularly relevant during the paradigm shift to non-monogamy— Why rushing to resolve inner conflicts can actually prevent deeper transformation from occurring— The physical sensations that often accompany inner conflict— How bearing the tension of opposites creates space for the "transcendent function"—a third option we couldn't previously imagine— Why paradigm shifts take years and require us to be comfortable in the "gooey" transformational phase— Creative practices for working with opposing forces— How to ask partners and friends to witness your process without trying to "fix" your conflicts— The value of paying attention to dreams and symbols that emerge during periods of inner tension— Finding balance between bearing tension and making necessary decisions when the time comesResources mentioned in this episode:— Jung's Collected Works, Volume 13— Marie-Louise von Franz’s Archetypal Dimensions of the PsycheJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

If you’ve ever been turned on by feelings of jealousy, you are so not alone. Dr. Marie Thouin wrote the book on compersion, so she’s the perfect person to join us to get real about erotic jealousy, humiliation, being “the unchosen one,” and why some of us get hot exactly where we’ve been hurt. In this reverse interview, Joli shares candid stories from early non-monogamy and triad life, using masturbation and fantasy to work with jealousy, and how disposability, comparison, and attachment wounds all show up in her erotic life.They also dig into the ethics and weirdness of fantasizing about real people (including metamours), the idea of “participatory jealousy,” and what it really takes to play with this energy without burning everything down. You’ll hear about kink as a tool for transformation, what happens in the “underworld” of big feelings, and how new erotic experiences can actually rewire old wounds—and make more room for compersion, nuance, and genuine choice in how you relate to jealousy.In this episode, we talk about:— Jealousy as a source of turn-on rather than a problem to fix— The relationship between jealousy, shame, and the struggle for Compersion— Joli’s personal journey with jealousy in early non-monogamy and triad living— Using masturbation and fantasy to work with jealous feelings— The erotic charge of disposability, being “unchosen,” and humiliation— How attachment wounds and humiliation kink intersect with jealousy— Ethical questions about fantasizing about real people (including metamours)— Using placeholders/roles vs. specific individuals in erotic imagination— The idea of “participatory jealousy” and reclaiming agency— Alchemizing jealousy into something transformative (using a Jungian/alchemical lens)— The role of safety, trust, and betrayal in whether jealousy play can be healing— Kink as a tool for psychological transformation, not just sensation— Memory reconsolidation and how new erotic experiences can rewrite old wounds— Keeping metamours present in the imagination to support compersionResources mentioned in this episode:— Dr. Marie Thouin’s website— Justin Lehmiller’s research on sexual fantasies— Joli’s guest episode on Girl Boner Radio with August McLaughlin— Episode 215 Nurturing Established Relationship EnergyJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Secrets, privacy, and the journey to authentic relationships can be a complex terrain to navigate. When one partner keeps secrets—whether consciously or unconsciously—it creates ripples that affect trust, consent, and the very foundation of connection. But what happens when those secrets aren't just kept from partners, but from oneself? This episode dives deep into the challenging work of moving from fragmented realities to integrated selfhood.Many of us have experienced moments where something feels "off" in a relationship, but we can't quite put our finger on it. When inconsistencies emerge between what's said and what's done, trust begins to erode. But the path back to trust isn't impossible—it just requires dedicated, consistent work and a willingness to face uncomfortable truths about ourselves.In this episode, we talk about:— The critical difference between secrecy and privacy in relationships— How keeping secrets from ourselves can be just as harmful as keeping them from partners— The concept of "bifurcated monogamy" and how people can create separate, incompatible realities— Why writing things down can be a powerful tool for those who unconsciously fragment their experiences— How trauma responses can lead to secret-keeping behaviors without conscious awareness— The relationship between autonomy and responsibility— Why consent requires transparency and ongoing information-sharing, especially in interdependent relationships— The importance of meta-conversations about how we communicate across partnerships— How power differentials can impact one's ability to truly consent in relationships— The long, non-linear journey of rebuilding trust after patterns of secrecy— Why dismantling defensiveness is a crucial step in addressing patterns of secrecy— How integration and differentiation work together to create authentic selfhoodResources mentioned in this episode:— Our episode on dismantling defensiveness— Our episode on weasel wordsJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Ken Hamilton, a longtime conversational partner who shares personal stories about projection and healing. He explores how projection shapes falling in love, the golden shadow of admired traits, and stages of becoming aware. Short, concrete examples show projections in work and relationships. Practical approaches include naming projections, setting boundaries, and reclaiming disowned parts for ongoing individuation.

Do your monsters sometimes stage a take-over, hurting you and others? If your monsters could help you live more of the life you want to live, would you get to know them, and invite them in? What about sharing them with a trusted partner in a thoughtful, conscious process?Ken did, and it made him cry, right here in the podcast - tears of relief for the possibility of realizing potential. We're talking about letting in our darker parts, and how much our lives can expand when we do.In this episode, we talk about:— What shadow work actually is and why Carl Jung's metaphor is so powerful yet simple— How our "monsters" operate autonomously when we don't acknowledge them— The relief that comes from finally recognizing and taking responsibility for our shadow aspects— Why personifying our shadow material can make it easier to work with— How kink and shadow work can intertwine as psychological practices— The difference between engaging with the "regalia" of kink versus the psychological depth— Why creating psychological safety is essential before doing shadow work with a partner— How projection reveals our shadow material in relationships— The importance of accepting enjoyment of shadow aspects without endorsing harmful behaviors— Why shadow work is a lifelong spiral rather than a circle we keep traveling— Ways to engage with your shadow independently if your partner isn't interested in this workResources mentioned in this episode:— Joli's ⁠Sexual Shadow Masterclass⁠— ⁠The Avett Brothers - The Perfect Space⁠— Suzanne Vega - Don't Uncork What You Can't ContainJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

A lot of personal growth work is about recognizing and focusing on taking responsibility and changing what we can change in our lives. But sometimes you’re stuck. Stuck and bewildered by how this shit keeps happening. Those same old cyclical situations… a heated argument with a romantic partner, a recurring issue at work, a really challenging family dynamic… where we feel like we have no control. All those tools and practices go out the window and it feels like the situation is just happening at us.These challenges are the perfect place to start practicing shadow work—the process of becoming aware of what you’ve suppressed, hated, and denied about yourself. Sound a little scary? Don’t worry, shadow work does not mean embracing and enacting all the mean parts of yourself. In other words, doing this work doesn’t mean becoming an asshole.There are many ways to do shadow work, but today we’re focusing on a method created by Carolyn Lovewell called Existential Kink. Existential Kink involves loving, accepting, and owning the ‘guilty pleasure’ we get from the shadowy aspects of our subconscious, and we’re walking you through the whole process.In this episode, we’re breaking down:— What the shadow is— What it means to do shadow work— How Jungian and depth psychology define and approach the shadow— Examples of how and why people repress and deny aspects of themselves— Why unexamined shadow aspects of ourselves often lead to projections— How embracing and recollecting repressed aspects of ourselves can be powerfully transformative for your personal growth and relationships— Why shadow work does not mean embracing and enacting evil/mean aspects of ourselves (AKA becoming an asshole)— The theory behind and process of Existential Kink— The importance of community and support while doing depth psychological workResources mentioned in this episode:— My Individuation Alchemy program— Carolyn Lovewell’s book, work, and programs— Lindsay Braman’s Emotion Sensation Feelings WheelJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Radical relating isn't just about who you're dating—it's about dismantling systems of power and creating community. In this episode, we welcome Mel Cassidy, somatic relationship coach and author of "Radical Relating: A Queer and Polyamory-Informed Guide to Love Beyond the Myth of Monogamy."Mel shares their journey from blogger to coach to author, and how their work challenges the foundations of mono-normativity. We explore how white supremacy culture, colonization, and Christianity have shaped our understanding of relationships, and how we can break free from these restrictive patterns to create more authentic connections.This conversation goes far beyond the typical focus on sex in non-monogamy discussions. Instead, we dive into how resource sharing, conflict resolution, and community building can help us create more liberatory forms of love—whether we're in monogamous relationships, polyamorous networks, or anywhere in between.In this episode, we talk about:— How white supremacy culture, colonization, and Christianity have shaped monogamy as the default relationship structure— The concept of "anarcule" as a way to understand relationships beyond sexual connections— Why perfectionism in relationships is a harmful aspect of mono-normativity that prevents authentic communication— How the nuclear family was designed as a political tool to counter feminism and socialism— Ways to practice resource sharing even if you're not interested in having multiple romantic partners— The importance of decentering sex in our understanding of relationships and asking "what does sex mean to you?"— Why Google calendars might actually hide conflict rather than resolve scheduling issues— Practical approaches to conflict resolution, starting with low-stakes issues to build capacity— How our nervous systems "time travel" during conflict, bringing up old wounds and patterns— The value of understanding who you become during conflict and how to work with different conflict stylesResources mentioned in this episode:— Mel Cassidy's new book: Radical Relating: A Queer and Polyamory-Informed Guide to Love Beyond the Myth of MonogamyJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

Long-distance relationships can feel like a never-ending uphill climb. When there are miles between you and your partner, it's easy to fall into patterns that make connecting feel more like a chore than a choice. Whether you're separated by a two-hour drive or multiple time zones, the question eventually surfaces: "How do we keep going without it feeling like endless work?"We understand this struggle deeply. The fatigue that comes with maintaining connection across distance is real and valid. But what if the solution isn't about working harder, but about reimagining what your relationship is actually for? What if the distance itself offers unique opportunities that proximity never could?In this episode, we talk about:— The importance of clarifying the purpose of your relationship and how this purpose might shift over time— Why mono-normative expectations can create unnecessary pressure in long-distance relationships— How to design relationship rituals that create meaning without becoming another obligation— The value of regularly revisiting and refreshing your relationship agreements— Understanding the unique grief that comes with long-distance relating and how to honor it— Finding the "golden shadows" of distance—the unexpected benefits that proximity doesn't offer— Why endurance alone isn't enough to sustain connection, and how meaning-making transforms the experience— The danger of idealizing proximity and forgetting the challenges that come with day-to-day relating— Creating structure that allows for both stability and novelty in your connection— Practical ways to inject fresh energy and imagination into long-distance relationshipsResources mentioned in this episode:— Francis Weller's work on griefJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions

We live in a culture where monogamy isn't just presented as one way to have relationships—it's positioned as the only natural, healthy, and moral way to relate. This assumption runs so deep that most of us never even question it. But what happens when we start examining these unspoken rules that shape our relationships?Mono-normativity affects all of us, whether we're monogamous or not. Bringing these unconscious assumptions into the light can create more authentic, intentional relationships. Because here's the truth: you can't truly consent to something you don't know you're choosing.In this episode, we talk about:— The difference between monogamy and mono-normativity— Why most couples never explicitly define what monogamy means to them—and the problems this creates— How to "individuate" your monogamous relationship by making conscious choices rather than following default scripts— The way exclusivity gets overcoupled with safety, specialness, and relationship validity— Practical ways to decenter monogamy without devaluing it— How auditing your language can help create more inclusive spaces for all relationship styles— Why making monogamy a conscious choice can actually strengthen your relationship— The importance of distinguishing between attraction, fantasy, and action in any relationship— How creative practices like making playlists, writing, and storytelling can help us imagine relating beyond mono-normative frameworks— The value of creating your own "monogamy statement" with your partner as a connective, clarifying exercise— Why questioning mono-normativity doesn't mean you have to change your relationship structure—it just means you get to choose it consciouslyResources mentioned in this episode:— Alex Alberto's memoir Entwined and their short filmJOIN The Year Of Opening® community for a full year of learning & support. Registration is open now at ⁠⁠www.TheYearOfOpening.com⁠⁠Learn the 5 secrets to open your relationship the smart wayAre you ready to open your relationship happily? Find out at www.JoliQuiz.comGet the answers you want to create the open relationship of your dreams! Sign up for an Ask Me Anything hereMusic: Dance of Felt by ⁠Blue Dot Sessions