A Rational Fear

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANEG’day Fearmongers —It was hot, it was fun, it was full of audio problems.Nethertheless, here is the podcast of our Adelaide Fringe Festival Show.The conversation we had with Kyam Maher, the South Australian Attorney General was super inspiring. South Australia is in the process of passing legislation to enshrine their own Indigenous Voice To Parliament, and the Attorney General is one of the folks leading the charge in SA to bring it to fruition.Big thanks to the great Jacob Round (on the teppanyaki timeline) who took the dogy audio and massaged and mixed this episode so it’s very listenable.ALSO on the podcast:📡 Dan Ilic discovers one of our co-hosts has a branding problem.🚔 Gabbi Bolt finds out just how long it takes to re-train as cop.🎸 Andrew Hansen doesn’t like his own name.📉 Alice Fraser has beef with crypto bros.📺 Dylan Behan mashes up the summer of news you missed.👑 Lewis Hobba finds someone to perform at the King’s Coronation.Brisbane ARF show only has 80 seats left!If you were planning on coming to our World Science Festival show in Brisbane, you better be quick, it’ll sell out. There’s only 80 seats left and with 3 weeks to go, run, don’t walk to get your tickets. Also if comedy panel shows about science are your thing; I’m also performing in a show called Night Of The Nerds, the night before A Rational Fear. It’s like Spicks and Specs for geeks. You’ll have a good time.CheersDan🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANE0:00  This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. When I formally introduced the legislation as Minister for Aboriginal Affairs in the upper house, there were so many Aboriginal people there that journalists and my fellow MPs from the chamber couldn't get in to have a seat. It was the proudest day of my working life.0:17  That is the voice of Kyam Maher. He is the Attorney General of South Australia and he said a whole bunch of other super interesting things. In this episode of irrational fear recorded live at the Adelaide Fringe Festival just last weekend now, please, just a word on the audio. I couldn't actually hear myself very well, because the audio was quite squeaky in the audience. I don't know how or why it sounded that way. I had a weird headset mic, so I changed my axe halfway through, it sounded a lot better. So Jacob round or the teppanyaki timeline has done absolute wonders at polishing the audio we recorded in Adelaide. So please enjoy this episode. And please enjoy the conversation we had with Kai Omar is really good. Also quick note. If you are in Brisbane and Melbourne, we're coming to you live March 26 in Brisbane at the World Science Festival that is selling really well. We've only got about 80 seats left to sell there. And then April 2 in Melbourne at the Comedy Festival. We are we've we're about half sold out there so pick up your tickets to Brisbane and Melbourne. Right now enjoy this episode of irrational fear recorded live at the Adelaide Fringe Festival1:21  in Burundi natural pork and pokey Oh Mango yellow Qatar curry Yara thumping De Niro pura chi ha mana Yang jeeyar Tacoma tamping the mining Nina Pudney Ghana Yatta Nina button Ipanema pokey Mocha bhandal Tula poro taken the 10 year panda Taberna to Tacoma, Yang Chicana yada, yada yada. Today we are meeting on sacred Ghana land. We pay our respects to all the Ghana that were and all the Ghana that are we pay our respects to all of our elders earthside and beyond and to all First Nations people. On behalf of the ancestors and Guyana people. We welcome you to our country and ask that as you travel these planes. You remember the people that walked here before you the spirit still lives amongst the steel or concrete the roads and the lawns wherever you go you stand on unseeded Aboriginal land, always was always will be.2:13  Hello, Robbie McGregor here letting you know that this is a podcast recording that as such you as the audience should make as much noise as possible. Specifically, you should laugh and cheer Dan's opening three jokes regardless of the quality. I know I know. I didn't make the rules okay. The following programme contains medium coarse language and traces of nuts. A rational fear recommends listening by immature audiences. Comedians experts sloughing at the world as it burns down around the live from the Adelaide Fringe Festival. This is a rational fear3:04  jumps as shocked as all around Australia hundreds of equity five gyms collapsed from too many reps. And the return of the s&p 500 has been a success delivering 51 million to the state. Next year South Australia you'll be able to buy a house and sit there and wait till we tell you where you can see the Southern Lights in Adelaide. Now tell the White Horse behind the streets. Live from the Adelaide Fringe Festival. This is a rational rational fearthis is the podcast that takes the news and gives it a little ride on the Oba. I didn't know what an Oban is. Sounds dangerous. That sounds pretty good. Alright, let's make our fear mongers for tonight. First up is a musical Wiz and a showbiz master of showbiz, a man who's no stranger to making people annoyed on television, but it's only apologise once. It's Andrew Hansen. Hello, Andrew. Hello, Andrew, you've annoyed a lot of people on TV. Do you have your advice for the project?4:19  The project is apologise more often and somebody might start watching again.4:26  And they've received their second five star review at the Adelaide Fringe Festival but they refuse to let it go to their head. It's the very humble and she asked him to say this The artist formerly known as Gabby bolts. Yes. Gabby congratulations on your great reviews. What keeps you grounded?4:43  The rocks that I put in my pocket as they walk into the ocean.4:49  And then the first of two lawyers here on this panel is the satirical miracle that is Alice Rebecca Fraser. Alice, have you ever been on a call Many panels with more than one lawyer.5:02  I have always been more than one lawyer on the inside. Inside everybody there are two lawyers one wants you to win and one that wants you to fail and they're in constant court battle.5:12  And he's not only a DJ but a master craftsman of wacky clips from the news fighters podcast and behind the scenes on every TV show in Australia it's still in vain dealing what is the what is the worst comedy show you've ever worked on? No. I want to work again it's a very small and they know the law inside and out. I hope you have your parking tickets ready for review it South Australia's Attorney General chi ma5:42  good eye and good afternoon, everyone.5:43  Time for all of us visitors to this land. What is the strangest law in South Australia we need to be aware5:50  of you can spend two years in jail for pretending to be a clairvoyant. Is that right? Section 40 of the summary Offences Act.5:59  Just jail everybody who's claiming to be a clairvoyant because you wouldn't claim to be a clairvoyant. If you were a clairvoyant, because you'd see the jail coming.6:07  You can just imagine the prosecution the judge tells you Are you a clairvoyant or not you want to and you are gonna ask that case dismissed.6:15  And finally, each Sunday, our guest visits a maternity ward to drain the stem cells from discarded umbilical cords to keep him youthful enough to host Triple J. Dr. It's the radiant Lewis6:29  Yes. Welcome your6:30  children. Last time we came to Adelaide, we are done.6:37  We don't need to talk about the last time I came to Adelaide.6:39  We left on sour terms. Because, you know, Julie's Amuro booked us for the cabaret festival. And she got a few complaints about the comedy we did there was very anti Adelaide. So I've got some ground rules.6:50  Okay. There was actually the moment I started my like set. The last time we were in Adelaide, a man stood up and it was this is the cabaret festival, so very different energy to the fringe. He stood up and he was wearing a feather boa and he flicked it around his head and he read. That's not a camera. It was fucking amazing.7:14  So we've got some ground rules for tonight. So please, no barrel jokes. No wheelie bin jokes, and no human size receptacle jokes in general. Okay, that is that is it. That is it for tonight. And it's great to be here in Adelaide a little later on. We're going to be talking to Kyle about the voice of South Australia. But first here is a message from this week's sponsor.7:34  Jim Chalmers says if you've got more than $3 million in Super, you'll probably be okay with paying a normal amount of tax but tell that to the renters in your fifth investment property. Jim Chalmers wants to steal money from the super rich to give it to the slightly less super rich, is this the Australia7:52  we want? So these are confronting numbers.7:56  Jim Chalmers doesn't want you to enjoy Bollinger on your 66th birthday, who's forcing you to drink DOM pairing yuck. Instead,8:04  that's going to be a difficult time ahead. Don't8:06  let labour steal your third first class trip on the Queen Mary to this year away from you.8:12  It will get tougher before it starts to ease authorised8:16  by Rich for a second conversation about Super Australia.8:22  It is great. It's great to be in Adelaide. It's fantastic energy here it feels like like Austin at South by Southwest I've almost been run over by 10 scooters, which is great because it means if someone's paying 20 bucks to go 500 metres the economy is good. It's really good. It's really good. We're gonna get into a bit of SA politics in a bit. But before that yesterday I to promote the show. I was on ABC Radio. Didn't want to hear me on ABC radio with Joe Schilling yesterday. Yeah. Oh, great. Fantastic. Wonderful. Excellent. And8:48  listener. You're listening. Dan, have8:50  you seen the ratings for ABC Radio? I don't think anybody sorry, Lewis.8:55  It's a question. Levine. Lewis Andrew, myself, Dylan, we've all kind of started our careers on ABC, YouTube, Alice and Gabby as well. And like how many we started our careers like 2009 on TV? Yeah. 10 We went to air 2010 Yeah, you've been doing radio for like Triple J national drive.9:15  i When radio was invented, I was there. I was there the dawn of the very first broadcast and you did Winston Churchill shook my hand and said go and play flume Youngboy and I did.9:30  Louis you also do TV? You're a bit of a network star on the ABC.9:33  Sure. Yeah, that's right. When they need a white guy they they see if Charlie pickerings busy. And then they work their way down to will Anderson. And then they make seven or eight more phone calls. And if none of them are available. They check once more and then they call me9:49  It's so it's kind of interesting to say you know how ABC Radio Adelaide introduced us.9:53  These 12 minutes to five you're listening to your show. It is ABC Radio, Adelaide. Well Tomorrow at five pm at Vagabond at the Garden of Earthly Delights, you'll get the opportunity to laugh in the face of fear or irrational fear. Dan Ilic has been hosting this podcast since 2012. In our CO hosts with Triple J presenter, Louis Hobbs.10:16  It was Hobbs. Father, I think you might have a branding issue.10:22  Julius Silla has shaken my hand looked me in the eye and said my name on more than one occasion.10:28  It could have been a simple mispronunciation like that. I don't know, Louis, let's see if it was a mistake.10:35  You'll be co hosting with Lois Hobbs Of course, Triple J presenter but you always have10:39  low as this is bad. This is terrible. You've got you've got actually an SEO problem, which is search engine optimization. I actually Googled Lewis Hobbs and it came up with a football. This is Microsoft Bing you're also some kind of planetaries That's10:54  actually me when they gave me my first radio job.10:58  But when you put it into Duck Duck go this is what comes up we've discovered the Julian Sheila uses the security search engine Duck Duck guy. Don't lose. Don't worry. Like when I heard this, I had to defend your honour. Thank you so much. I needed to speak up.11:17  Well, Daniel edge. Thank you for joining us. It's good to know that you've finally got to Adelaide and you'll be part of irrational fear tomorrow in the garden. Have a great show. Dan, thanks for coming on.11:29  Thanks. So that's why I give a big shout out to my co host Lewis Hobbs. He's an absolute legend.11:34  Thank you, Dan. Danny, and11:38  all right, Louis.11:40  Honestly, I was gonna be really fucking nice to Adelaide this time. I wrote a whole thing about how not and you know what, fuck yourself. It's fucking barrel time. Don't11:52  punish the people for the one you know. You're all one11:57  person. You're all Julian Silla.12:01  Lewis. Sorry. Thanks for Thanks. Thanks for that, Louis. I'm sorry about that. Louis isn't the only one with nine complications. Andrew, you've got quite a complicated problem with your name. Oh, look,12:11  can I complain about my name in the in the form of song day? Yeah, if you don't find kind of spontaneously do this with a backing track? No, my name is Andrew Hanson and you know that comes with a few issues by this I could have been named after Charles the new King. I could have been James or bill or any damn thing that mom told me Andrew and it makes me wince cuz adopt the name of that Prince terrible name, known by any other name. That's what I want to be a blowgun name like brand new or a nutcase name like Barnaby, an ancient name like Jesus or any name since but I got the name of that Prince. Last night even worse, but didn't get a choice. And son is your surname I was told. I shared with a poly from the Ku Klux Klan, and a rock band of eight year olds. Andrew Garfield with Spider Man. Andrew Lloyd Webber's still fiddling with pants to cursed old name, but our moms weren't convinced. So we kept the name of that print. Sadly, it's a hard name to carry. It's even worse than Harry. I got the name of that print name. But if you're planning a baby, then take my hand squat. Don't give him the name of a print13:57  there is a bit like q&a on crack loses faith, rational fear.14:06  As we say goodbye to summer. Let's spend a minute to remember the stories we all avoided over summer. Dylan bang you watch too much news for one man. What did we miss? Yeah, thanks, Sandy.14:17  Did you have a good summer? A great summer. What about everyone? Everyone in Adelaide have a good summer. Yeah, I had a great summer because in Sydney at least was the first summer in about four years. We didn't have raining ash from bushfires. COVID lockdowns are scary new variants, keeping us indoors. But I don't know personally it felt like there was still not quite enough news. I don't know I watched all the news this summer and and edited together and tell me what you think. Tell me if you think tell me if you think there was much good news this summer.14:49  The rise in interest rates with the promise of wars income is the number one talking point right across the country.14:55  I'm certainly sorry if people listened to what we'd say the reserve The Bank says more rate risers are coming but the treasurer it seems is not convinced. It remains well that they have the decisions for the future haven't15:08  yet been taken.15:09  Angry shoppers are starting to call out examples of hyperinflation on supermarket shelves. With outrage over Cocoa Puffs nearing $10 A box15:19  right by parking a major shopping centres is now outlawed in South Australia and we are the parties of the Australian working class.15:27  The Pentagon is tonight tracking a suspected Chinese spy balloon travelling through us skies blue we15:33  look at it the very famous Australian cattle dog making its taboo.15:37  It's been a dramatic day on Sydney's northern beaches with several of them forced to close following a shark attack on a dolphin15:46  which is scary because you've combined clipper with JAWS. The worst combination you can get15:53  giant sail has had quite the adventure in the Victorian town of Fort Lonsdale. We're gonna go quickly.16:01  Visa unit in the Perth nightclub16:03  is banning red shoes labelling them a magnet for misbehaviour. What is the next shape?16:08  You're gonna have to change and you're gonna have to two games and sci fi superstars Nicole Kidman and Kate Evan and making the most of their time here in Australia. It was a recent trip to a kebab shop that had the Hollywood couple wowing locals.16:22  How exciting was it16:23  to have Nicole and Keith in your store and16:25  most importantly, what are they?16:26  Is it something that Keith hasn't tried yet that maybe you should give a go16:29  at any time of the day when it kebab isn't appropriate?16:33  For the great kebabs for tiny but potentially deadly radioactive capsule that was missing in WA is Outback has been found. In this case. It was a tiny capsule.16:44  15 years ago Prime Minister Kevin Rudd delivered a national apology,16:48  the opposition leader apologising for walking out on the apology 15 years ago.16:53  I apologise16:54  for my actions, notably absent from the anniversary breakfast this morning, Peter Dutton we don't need a voice we need is17:02  a powerful earthquake has struck Turkey now known as Turkey.17:06  ddrescue is in Turkey and Syria are deep into a second night of digging and freezing temperatures as they race to save any survivors of the earthquakes that struck the region more than 24 hours ago. Well, time for one more trip aboard the venga path.17:27  That's the summer of news. Yeah, thank you, Dylan.17:30  Let's continue on with hang on a sec. This is where we play a clip. When you guys want to chime in with a joke, just say hang on a sec, and we'll stop the tape. This comes from South Australian Senator Alex antic he is in some big Alex antic fanzine that's really one are really familiar with his antics. I believe that's the name of the Sky news show. Join me on Alex antics. That's what he's plans to do when he retires. So this is him instead of estimates talking to the Department of Home Affairs, about something very serious,18:02  your opening statement here, which, after the front of me, you made mention of the fact that the department's work extends to dealing with the effects of climate change. Yes. And to better position Australia to deal with the increasing exposure and vulnerabilities to nationally significant crises, including those due to climate change,18:21  we think I'm gonna say you hope that the next line is going to be? And is it going? Well? How do you reckon it's good? How can we help you do that better?18:33  Is that comedy? Or is it serious?18:36  Sounds like the Adelaide advertiser giving a review18:40  your opening statement? Is that comedy clarity, or is that serious?18:45  Are you referring to the question that you've asked me? I don't understand. I don't18:48  know the suggestion that the Department of Home Affairs is somehow prioritising the issue of climate change.18:56  Sorry, hang on a sec. He really stops to read the words climate change is like a job. Sorry, I'm just seeing this for the very first time. Climate climate change, explain more?19:09  What is this catastrophic thing that poses massive security risks for our country department of Home Affairs,19:14  because I know that like we all I assume, look at this and go, Well, this guy is just being he's just being and he's just getting in the way. And he's, this is theoretical, but he's just like slowing this shit down. And he knows he's that. But imagine if he genuinely had just heard about climate change. Like it would be a cause for concern.19:35  What he's doing is he's doing this weird thing. He's like cosplaying American politicians who are not actually in the room that they're in. They're just constantly trying to get tick tock clips of themselves going viral being like, a climate change. Like it's just that19:48  that's exactly what he's doing.19:50  I think Dan, he really wanted to ask about the venga bus, to embarrass to change and as a South Australian, we're sorry.19:59  Genuinely I know how to respond to a rather oddly put question, you asked me whether it's comedy. It's my job. I don't I don't really understand what you're asking me.20:07  Well, so you mean to tell me that the Department of Home Affairs is prioritising the effects of climate change?20:14  I just enjoy the fact that they're going back going back and forth going, is this comedy? Is this a question? Is this comedy? What's the question? What's comedy?20:21  It's actually their version of who's on first, which actually is classic comedy.20:26  Is it safe to say that the department has been captured by leftist ideology?20:32  Oh, hang on to say he's the comedy. Arrived in the form of that question.20:39  I went to his Twitter page to see just what his deal is, and who he follows. Who do you think Alex? Liberal senator for South Australia follows? Who is the one person that he follows? Somebody already yelled it out. You want to say it all together? 123. That was Trump, I think and yes, hangable any person he follows his Donald Trump I think that's the real company right there.21:12  Only podcast made entirely by artificial intelligence. Russian Oh,21:21  please give it up for Alice Fraser.21:25  Hello, this is about the news that four new charges have been added to Sam Venkman. Freed's criminal indictment bringing the total number of charges to 12. If you don't know Sam Backman freed was a crypto trader, who was the darling of both Silicon Valley the Effective Altruism community and the Harvard whitebread wank stains for being a tussle head shorts wearing compulsive gamer who seemed to have the magic touch with other people's imaginary money. Silicon Valley is obsessed with startup culture, which you could be mistaken for believing is about starting new and exciting businesses when in fact, it's sort of a gold rush of hype and an obsession with getting bought out quickly by a big fish. So you never have to admit that most online companies don't have a business model at all other than selling your attention to the advertisers. This is just about the acquisition of legitimacy via the public investment of venture capitalism. Essentially, you should give me more money because heaps of people are giving me money, but their job is to talk other people into giving them other people's money in order to give it to other people. Sam Backman freed managed to self brand as a scruffy wunderkind while escaping into his 30s in the Bahamas as one of the world's richest men while doing experimental new wave polyamory with his colleagues, which should have been a red flag as to productivity, because who has time to pioneer a new way of running human sex, while also being responsible for billions of dollars, such as society's willingness to let young fuckheads gamble with huge quantities of money. And at one point, somebody told him that he should think about getting a board for his company, and he told them to go fuck themselves, and they still invest it. And this is happening in a country America which makes mothers go back to work six weeks after giving birth six weeks, I don't want to get graphic but you have barely stopped bleeding. And look, I'm not saying it's that bad. In Australia. After I gave birth, I got a government payment to see me through the first 18 weeks postpartum it was about it arrived about 11 months after I gave birth. And in order to get it I needed to fill out about 30 pages of the most intrusive invasive Kafka esque paperwork explicitly designed to make you feel like our filthy leech sucking on the morally superior teat of the benevolent and hard done by government, while also asking those kinds of questions that make you question your ability to read reason or comprehend the English language. What I am saying here is we have not figured out how to attribute value to things when we're giving money to men to spend on imaginary money that only exists because other people believe in it. And we are not paying people enough to make human beings.23:52  If Elon23:53  Musk made a human being you'd give him a fucking Nobel Prize. Even from a purely selfish perspective, you know, the first two years of a baby's life are incredibly important to have a personal connection with at least one priority caregiver. Right? And I'm again, from a purely self interested perspective. Who do you want wiping your ass when you are 90 years old? Is it somebody who knows what it feels like to be loved? Yeah, so what we need to do is give parents enough time and money to make the human beings that are going to be the doctors and the nurses and the carers of the future, rather than passing it down the magic money machine. Thank you.24:38  What is rational fear? It's based in fear, begging the saddest headlines and giving them a little tickle.24:45  Yummy. Before we hear from the law itself, you actually have been considering other careers before comedy.24:53  Yeah, I mean, there's not a lot of proof that there's a lot of security in comedy, and it may shock all of you to know By looking at me that I don't have a degree so anyway, so yeah, I did I had a little Google, we're all good information is found. And I am I was sort of looking at, you know, jobs with career growth that I can have longevity in that provide a good mindset and all that you send me that link. You're not gonna want it when I tell you what it was because I kept I kept seeing one really weird thing that kept popping up and that was the police. Yeah, no, I thought surely not. Surely you have to have a criminology degree to join the police force. But if you have one,25:33  that's just just for kinds benefit. This is the New South Wales Police.25:37  Right? Yeah, no show. I know it is. So yeah, I'm from the premier state, but it really should say the premier state, but regardless, I Googled how to look. And I was like, surely not, I had to keep going, you know, so I kept looking, I was like, Okay, well, well, what is the bare minimum? You know, what is the one requirement that you need to join the police force, you know, the job where they train you up to have a gun and then say protect everyone, and it's six months. So I thought about it a bit longer. And I thought, what if you applied that level of training to literally any other profession. If you're a cop, you might want to pop out for about two minutes.26:19  Or just put your gun away. Put that one down.26:23  Kindergarten teacher would only have up to F. When they look at their curriculum to teach the alphabet. A surgeon would not yet have even touched a surgery. But six months yep, that's all it takes to join the ALS bullies. A lawyer would be juggling four subjects on their feet. When on average, there are 38 subjects to complete. They cannot yet defend object or bargain for replay. But meanwhile, you can make arrests when you're the AWS police seems fair. A retail worker would still have a skerrick of their soul. The West Coast Eagles still would not have scored a single goal. Michelle has not been introduced as child of destiny. You can look up kids when you work for us police. The age of criminal responsibility in this country across the board is 10 when I was 10, I couldn't even spell criminal. Our first time mom is still too busy cooking up a kid. A first time architect is still drawing up the blueprint. Our first time taxidermist is still fucking creepy, but so is the fact that in six months you can join the US police. A politician would have only fucked up 40 times and for every fuck I may they weren't until about 40 lives. A toaster support worker still has not got back to me. But I would not have that problem. If I worked for us police hands off Telstar it's fun Lulla Lulla Lulla, firearms, military complex. III all the people I know that went into that career were annoying at best and horrifying and worst. A lot of driver would still be making them longer. An office worker still has not worked up two weeks in lieu a musical comedian just has this six months yet all it takes to only make arrests and join us28:38  this is Russian Oh28:44  Hello, Daniel. It's here just pausing the podcast let you know that podcasts don't pay for themselves, no generous sponsors do and our generous sponsor for this 10 weeks is Australian ethical. They are sponsoring us and we are very grateful. They love money. In fact, they love making you money. That's what they do. And they do it ethically. So they they stay away from things like fossil fuels and they stay away from things like human trafficking weapons, all sorts of baddies drugs, actually, I don't know. Maybe good drugs. Oh, no. I have to look at the portfolio. I haven't looked at what they looked at what they've invested in. Maybe they invested in pharmaceuticals, but certainly not recreational pharmaceuticals sold on the black market. No, they're not putting money into that. So big thank you to Australian ethical. They've been around since 1986. Making money work and doing good things with it, including sponsoring podcasts.Thank you so much Australian ethical. later on this year, the whole country will vote in a referendum on the indigenous voice to parliament. The listeners outside of South Australia. You may not know this, but just a few days ago, South Australia passed legislation to enshrine its State's own First Nations voice to Parliament. Thanks to this man. He is a proud Aboriginalman. The first indigenous person to hold the Office of Attorney General it's time, Ma.Time, congratulations. What an extraordinary treatment. What can you tell us how it felt to pass that legislation?30:16  So it's passed the upper house of parliament that goes through the lower house, which by definition the government has the numbers in so we will have a fully elected Aboriginal voice to the South Australian Parliament by the end of this month. Wow. Fantastic. When I formally introduced the legislation as Minister for Aboriginal Affairs in the Upper House, the public galleries were absolutely stacked with Aboriginal leaders, people that I've known, respected and been my mentors for decades. There were so many Aboriginal people there that journalists and my fellow MPs from the chamber couldn't get in to have a seat. It was the proudest day of my working life.30:52  How did you feel like how did you feel like getting that getting that bill passed and the upper house30:56  just amazing. At the end of my 20 minute speech, introducing the bill, I haven't been there before when people have stood up and clapped. There were tears there a lot of emotion. As I said, it was the proudest day I've had since I've worked anywhere.31:11  can sue Are you saying that if this incredible, by the way, but I there was one thing that caught my ear there, if you fill up the holes, the politicians can't get in.31:24  That does create a big incentive for the politicians from the other chamber who wanted to come and watch it. Not find places to go, uh, yeah. You were thinking of a sneaky way to planning an31:34  insurrection. But it's it's good to have a backup, you know.31:39  So that's so exciting. I was in Cape Town two weeks ago, and I was talking to some First Nations folks who I'm friends with from Guatemala, about the indigenous voice to Parliament. And I had I happen to have the 270 page final report and I was showing it to them. They said to me, then this gives me chills like this is incredible how many voices to Parliament from indigenous folks are there around the world, you know, there are32:03  numbered in different ways. Some Scandinavian countries have their own indigenous Parliament's there are reserved seats for Maori people in the New Zealand Parliament. But certainly in the Australian context, what we're doing South Australia will be the first of any ego, state or territory, and we think will be a really good sort of signpost and hopefully allay some fears with the national referendum coming up.32:23  Yeah. Well. Of course, the lefties in the audience are clapping girl. That's so exciting. Like, this is something that I'm super interested in. You know, Peter Dutton says he doesn't have enough information. Does he not have enough information?32:43  Yeah, he has plenty of information. As you said, there's a 270 page report. Yeah, he asked 15 questions. We wrote out the answers to all those 16 questions in terms of how our model works.32:54  Yeah, but did you do it in bold in,32:57  you know, and it was only 12 font. So probably wasn't, it wasn't good. But at the end of the day that it is really simply boils down to allowing Aboriginal people more of a say, in decisions that affect their lives. It is as simple as that.33:12  There are three no camps, as far as I can tell, there's like, recognise a better way, which is like the traditional conservative liberal camp, there's advanced Australia, which is the modern batshit crazy camp. And then there's a third camp, the progressive, no vote made up of a lot of grassroots folks. I follow a lot of like, black and First Nation folks on social media. And it seems to be a bit of disk discontent around the voice, there seems to be there's this progressive no vote is is, is they're all behind this progressive no vote for very compelling reasons around sovereignty, and treaty, they want something more, how do you bring those folks to this conversation?33:52  I have a lot of sympathy for people who want to see treaty want to see it happen, and want to see it happen. Now, it's a couple of centuries overdue in Australia. But my first political involvement was at the end of last century with the referendum to become a republic. And there were splits in the yes vote for the referendum, those who wanted to directly elected president rather than an appointed one. And those the sort of split in those who wanted to see us become Republic, I think caused it to fail. I would hate to see this referendum go down. Because those who want to see more happen split onto the sequencing treaty first or voiceless. I'm very firmly of the view. If this referendum fails, and we don't get a voice treaty won't be seen in our lifetime. It's not a question of your vote voice down and we get treaty quicker, I just don't think that's going to happen. So34:39  that was what I was going to ask Do you see them as like one and then the other rather than one getting in the way of the other sort of putting people off for a while?34:47  Absolutely. A lot of the people that I talked to Marcia Langdon and Megan Davis, those who have been heavily involved before and since the Uluru statement from the heart in 2017. I think sensibly look at sequencing that it makes sense have a voice first. And that sort of voice can then help progress, how you then go about truth and treaty. So I think it makes sense the sequencing. But even if you don't agree with that being against voice doesn't mean you're gonna get something else quicker.35:14  Is there anything in the voice that because I know there was some talk earlier about it actually getting in the way, not just in terms of getting in the way, theoretically of sovereignty? And like, there were people who were really worried that it would be like, no, no, if we get that, then that actually can't happen. Not won't, but can't. Is there anything any truth to that?35:32  I can give you some pretty strong advice. No.35:35  Thank you very much. That's all I have to say35:40  that there are so many things that thrown up, this will become your third chamber of Parliament and now a level of bureaucracy. It won't. What we've got in South Australian what has been proposed federally is an advisory body, it will mean when government makes decisions, they will listen more to the views of Aboriginal Torres Strait Islander people.35:58  That's it. It's less sexy when you call it an advisory body. It makes the whole things like obviously, everybody feel like this whole country is up in arms. What over an advisory body36:10  when you sort of distil it like that? It really Yeah. In those simple terms. Yeah. Well, what's the harm? What's the worst thing that can happen? Yeah, Aboriginal voices will be listened to more?36:21  Well, what I want to know is I think what everyone wants to know which is will the voice be forced to enter every room? Well, John, phantoms your voice and understand it plays as their theme tune?36:32  I'd like to say yes, but I don't think we can make that happen. We don't know the bagpipe anywhere in Australia for them.36:41  There's a lot of kinds of things, folks that no, it feels like this has been a real growing movement. And over probably the last 15 years, you see a lot of kind of movement towards recognising Aboriginal people in the Constitution, things like that. We have, you know, something very small. We have tried to buy for a lot of Aboriginal voices. We have an origin of country now podcast. You know, we say every week, you know, sovereignty was never never ceded. We need a treaty. And I'll be honest, when I heard that I stole it off Tom Ballard's podcasts because it sounded really good. But I mean, it. Is it tokenistic to do that? Or is it meaningful to kind of have these things in small ways in products we make? I don't37:21  think it's at all tokenistic. And I think it would be the overwhelming view of Aboriginal people that it is important to do that. It is the case. Yeah, it is just plain statement of fact, sovereignty was never seen, and you didn't see Aboriginal people a couple 100 years ago, you can have my country, you can ruin my culture, you can take away our kids, you can take our language, yet sovereignty was never seen. It is a basic statement of fact, and I think many Aboriginal people appreciate that recognition37:46  will climb. Thank you so much for risking your reputation to come on irrational fear. Yes, give him a round of applause. Thank you so much. And just for balance, I think it's important we hear from Peter Dutton. So I've got a clip. And kayam, I might ask your legal advice after this.38:07  Hi, Peter Dutton here, I'm calling on albeau to provide more information of the indigenous voice to Parliament, but not in the format of a 270 page report, but too much information. And not in the format of a series of one on one consultations for constitutional experts, and the Prime Minister himself. That information is to oral and as you know, I've heard of listening, which is why I refuse to hear members of my own party advocating for a yes position. You could try to make a pamphlet with pictures that move when you pull a little tab, but it'll go straight into the shredder. If a report, briefings, conventions, pamphlets, a decade of development, and even lobbying from my own party won't convince me Peter Dutton, maybe there's another reason that a former Queensland cop is against an indigenous voice to Parliament, but just can't put my finger on it. But if I did, I'd have to vocalise it, then I'd have to sue myself for defamation. And maybe that's the only detail that's missing. Elbow39:14  authorised by plausible deniability camera. So, attorney general, in your expert opinion, is that sketch defamatory? Can I play that in public?39:25  Then I would love to have the power to dispense with the laws of defamation for the purpose of this show tonight. But am I afraid? I don't.39:33  That's very muddled advice. I think we'll just move on. Please give it up for Louis Harbour. A39:39  rational fear.39:44  Hello, thank you very much. Remember when you were a kid, and it was your birthday party. And just before it started, you have a flash of worry. What if no one turns up that fear and fortune Suddenly is coming true, not for a child. But for a poor lonely 73 year old man from England. The man's name is King Charles the third. Because on the sixth of May this year, King Charles is getting a little crown place between his mighty years and he's throwing himself a coronation party. And he's asked all the huge musicians to join him. Adele, Ed Sheeran, Elton John, Robbie Williams, the Spice Girls Harry Styles, they've all said no. So at this point, so many people have said no to playing it King Charles has coronation he's going to be thinking about booking sticky fingers this is how dire the situation is this is true right after Robbie Williams had said no. King Charles went ahead and booked the rest of take that the rest of take that take that with no Robbie Williams is like buying a car without the wheels. Like it's technically a car but you don't pay for it. There was a time when being the king of England man you could just cut off the head of anyone who looked at him funny. And now the king in 2023 is reduced to booking take that without Robbie Williams oh well at least now they won't have to hide Prince Andrew and Robbie performs kids unfortunately for Charles the worldwide vibe on the British monarchy is at an all time low. With the effects of colonisation racism, both old and new. And the fact that they just won't do anything about Andrew it's easy to see why Ed Sheeran might not want to stand up and sing I'm in love with your body directly to King Charles it makes sense that Harry Styles said no to King Charles Harry saying no to Charles it's kind of a tradition they're developing over there. But I think then I wasn't a drone. I think we could have just left oh it could have just been like oh yeah. Oh yeah. See he's got a son called Harry he's yeah and we could have grown was unnecessary. Is Julian fucking Silla been told me people is this a fucking let's not cover what's happening again, Lewis? I think obviously the Harry no makes sense. I think the no that really would have hurt King Charles was Elton John. He asked Elton John. Elton John said no. Now obviously, Elton John did be at Diana's big send off. You might remember. The last thing you want to hear about your coronation is it was less fun than your ex wife's funeral.That one you could have grown to I would have let it grow and happen on that one. Because Elton John, you might remember he rewrote the lyrics to Candle in the Wind for when Diana died. And I think he could easily do that again. Now for King Charles, I think a little something like and it's said it seems to be you lived your life like a man who yells at men and know and how to hold them when you sign and things. What advice he has it Oh, what a triple threat. Very good. Very good so much. I think it's a very bad sign for a leader when musicians hate you. I think like personally, I think Australia should be a republic. And I think it's frankly embarrassing that Australia would ever take orders from a guy who would book take that without Robbie Williams. I do feel a bit sad for Charles because I have party anxiety. It's the worst isn't the worst. Like the conversation, the rest of it, but it's bad. It's bad. It's what I'm saying. And since I know Charles is a huge fan of the podcast, thank you, Charles. Here's some suggestions of people that I think might say yes to playing at his coronation. So the first port of call if I was him would be people who actually love the Royals. Unfortunately, they're all inbred losers too busy to collecting teaspoons to learn to play an instrument. So they're all out. So here's who might actually do it. Oasis. Now. People have been begging the Gallagher Brothers to get back together for years. They hate each other and so they won't do it. But I think Charles could sit those two boys down and put their fight into perspective. Oh, you hate your brother, do ya? How many times did your brother get on Jeffrey Epstein's plane? Zero. Get the fuck out there and play Wonderwall. You If I was to say no, Charles might need to find someone who maybe hasn't read any news in a while. That could be an option if he was trying to find someone who didn't know anything about what's been going on with the royal family. I suggest Enya. Now Enya? This is true. A true fact. This isn't even a joke about Eddie. This is just a true fact. She lives in a castle alone with 12 cats. Like I don't reckon she's read the news. The problem with Enya if I may, is that she is notoriously Irish, which means Charles's family probably murdered some of India's family. Can you imagine actually having to consider that when you are booking entertainment for your party? Has my family killed any of your family? Okay, low vibes far all right. I haven't done it he fucking Christ. All right. Which brings me finally to the only idea that I think might work. Holograms, people have been making artists perform as holograms for over a decade. Now they'll say yes, because they can't say no. You could literally pick anyone you could have Holly hologram Harry Styles hologram Elton John. Hologram Adele, he could even add hologram RobbieWilliams, to real life takethat. And to finish the concert, I think he should resurrect his dead mother, who, floating above Westminster Abbey could finally say she loves him and ask the world to be nice to him. Now. If you think that's not possible, I want you to just Well, as I say close your eyes, but no, keep them open. Because just look at this. Imagine this floating off to Westminster Abbey. Hologram Robbie Williams probably shirtless. He's his pawn with the rest of take that right. And then the Queen's hologram floats up. And I love you so much, Charlie. I hope everyone in the world is being very nice to it's beautiful.47:09  Lewis Hobbs everyone. Fantastic. That is it for rational fee. Please think Gabby Lewis Dylan Andrew. Attorney General chi Ma? Is that everyone? Yeah. Delia thank big thanks to Ryan Mike's Australian ethical token events. Dane Nathan Yvonne Kathleen Jacob ran on the timeline. Our new patreon supporters Peter Clayton Darren your grab Nick Mueller, Colin Robertson, Tiffany Barreca Aaron Burke and Peter Lawler is back until next week, there's something to be scared of GoodNites by47:41  rational,47:43  a pretty fun show from Adelaide A big thank you to Adelaide. What a great town. What a great vibe. Oh my goodness, the town was absolutely popping off. It is such a wonderful place to hang out for a few days. Congratulations on having such a brilliant festival season. Thank you for going out to say everyone it is so cool as an artist to go to Adelaide. Love you. Lots. Thank you so much. Looking forward to being in Brisbane and Melbourne in just under three weeks time. Please head on over to the World Science Festival website to get your tickets for Brisbane and head on over to the Melbourne International Comedy Festival website to get tickets for Melbourne. Alright, cheerio. See you next week.Transcribed by https://otter.ai A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Good evening Lewis.0:05  Hello Dan. How are you?0:07  Lewis? I'm at the start of the show. I'm energised because I want to tell the people who are listening in Adelaide and Melbourne just one thing and that is to please please for the sake of breaking even buy a ticket to the show.0:20  Absolutely. If you happen to know the Port Adelaide Football Club get them all along. If you know this Adelaide strikers sixes0:33  This is good. This is good. This is good local content. If you know anyone whose family ends in polites get them alone.0:41  Oh, my family are from Adelaide originally, my mum and dad met at Adelaide University. So if you if you're at Adelaide University, you know, man, you're looking for love. Maybe one or two could have a little Lewis0:56  or at all, Louis, depending on how your Louis is go. We've got a great show in Adelaide and we've got Gabby bolt, Alice Fraser. We've also got Andrew Hanson from the chaser. And we've also got for some reason, the South Australian Attorney General is joining us in Adelaide, which is amazing. We're gonna be talking to him about South Australia's voice, which is great. And Melbourne is selling a lot slower than we anticipated. Despite having Grace time on the show, which killed last year. You guys gotta get tickets, you gotta go go right now to Melbourne Comedy festival.com.au and buy a tickets, not even the websites probably why we aren't selling many tickets. But you should go you should go and buy a ticket because it's so it's such a huge show. And it's gonna be really great. Surprisingly, Louis, our Brisbane show is doing really well for sales. We've already sold like 120 So we're like we're killing it. The show's not even on for like another another few weeks.1:46  It's the World Science Festival and they sent me my invite the other day and I was flicking through some of the other events that are on and we stick out. I'm like these people are very smart. And they've done a lot of research.2:02  We've done we've got a really smart person on stage with us. His name is Dan Ilic. Her name is Jessie Christiansen She's a doctor. She runs the exoplanet library for NASA and she works with the JW S T team, the James Webb Space Telescope team so we're going to be grilling her about aliens. It's very exciting. So that is happening in Brisbane at the end of March. I'm recording my irrational feet on Gadigal land in the urination. Sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.2:33  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra, fed gum and section 40 of our rational view recommended listening by immature audience.2:46  Tonight with the New South Wales set to vote next Saturday, polling suggests the other guy is maintaining a strong lead whatever his name is and the creator of the comic strip Dilbert goes on a racist tirade getting him dropped from hundreds of newspapers but a job offer at the Australian and after Rupert Murdoch admits that Fox News was lying to its audience. Donald Trump has accused the media mogul of throwing his anchors under the table instead of in the sea where they obviously belong. It's the third of March 2023. And with more lies than Fox News. This is irrational fear.Welcome to rational fear. I'm your host former only fans nurse Dan Ilic. This is the podcast that puts a shot of vodka. In your news, irrational fear let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. They're a former corporate ladder climbing shill, but now they are a children's party clown performing her show slops at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. It's Jane Bell welcome Jane.3:53  Hello, hello. If anyone wants to book a clown please reach outs to her on this side of the ladder now4:01  you just do corporate ladder comedy Do you do you turn up to kids parties and say hey, let's talk about some EBIT DA is that what happens?4:09  I feel like I was more doing clown comedy in the workplace. And now I found my target audience so it's honestly for the best.4:19  And she has haunted the writing rooms at hard quiz and has been published in McSweeney. She's also sells a bathing suit covered in little cute hands on her website, performing her show tropical holiday at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. It's Elise Phillips. Welcome, Elise.4:34  Hello, thank you for having me.4:36  These bathing suits on your website do they sell well they look amazing little hands on.4:43  Literally any other piece of merch I've ever made in my life.4:47  Really? It looks amazing. It looks it looks incredible. It looks this might sound weird, but it looks delicious.4:56  Oh, thank you.4:57  Thank you, men's version as well. Do you do like a speedo4:59  ABS salutely We've got a swim trunk. Haven't got to Speedo yet. I think I think a bunch of spunk covering ham would be a good option though.5:10  I'm ready. I put me on the waiting list.5:12  All right. Speaking of hams, it's Louis Harbaugh.5:18  a delight to be with you thrilled. I don't know how long it's been since our last one. It might be a week. It might be a year for three weeks,5:26  I think two weeks. Yeah, two weeks. In5:28  fact, Dan, I know we don't do a lot of personal business. But you were in South Africa. Did you have a nice time?5:34  I had a great time I hung out with the my birthday of fellows from the birth of Foundation, who kind of got this podcast back on his feet for a couple of years. So it was a really amazing and inspiring time saying you know what everybody's been up to so yeah, went to Cape Town. It's really good. Good place there. I like it.5:50  How are we looking for this season? financially? Do they call you guy over there to fight?5:57  No, no, I strain ethical was looking after us. And if you if you're on the Patreon, you don't hear the ads. But if you are on our regular feed, of course, you'll know that Australian ethical is looking after us. So we're being looked after this year from them. But maybe maybe there could be some special birth of money later on down the line. I pitched them an idea of doing a show from the First Nations group who are sitting on a Danny's land. I thought it'd be funny to take a bunch of our friends Louis like David Simpson and Craig quarterman. And Steph Tisdall and do a comedy show. At the defenders land on the Adani land, I thought that would be really fun. So they seem to be interested in that and they may even pay for it. So6:40  a lot of fallen to remove us right now. So now6:44  like I like I had a realisation while I was there. We no longer live in electorates. We live in billionaires bank books. So you have to pick the billionaires you like we are. We're I'm a big fan of this birther guy, you know, and some people are big fans of Clive Palmer. So you gotta pick your pinky. You gotta pick your billionaire. New it's the new AFL.7:04  Are you thinking of reaching out to other South African billionaires if you goto one you keeping it to7:16  every good joke someone does on the podcast is rewarded with one master diamond.7:24  Speaking of sponsors, here's a message from this week's sponsor. Jim Chalmers says if you've got more than $3 million in Super you'll probably be okay with paying a normal amount of tax but tell that to the renters in your fifth investment property. Jim Chalmers wants to steal money from the super rich to give it to the slightly less super rich, is this the Australia we want? So these are confronting numbers. Jim Chalmers doesn't want you to enjoy Bollinger on your 66th birthday. He's forcing you to drink DOM pairing yuck. Instead, that's going to be a difficult time ahead. Don't let labour steal your third first class trip on the Queen Mary to this year away from you. It will get tougher before it starts to ease authorised by Rich for a sane conversation about Super Australia. Thank you Rich seawards for a sane conversation about Super really appreciate your support this week. This week's firstly it Yes, it is bad news. If you're a billionaire, you may have to pay slightly more tax on your super if it's above $3 million. The Treasurer Jim Sharma said that the new measure will only affect 80,000 people. Most of those people probably won't care or don't even notice that they're actually paying a little bit more tax. Ato statistics are absolutely zany for this. I don't know if you've seen this. And apparently there are 27 people with more than $100 million in Super there is one person, there is one person with $544 million in superannuation. Oh my god, the question must be asked, Where will these people find the money to pay slightly more tax where where? What kind of person has this has more than $3 million in this year but at least9:05  I should fess up the $544 million one that's that's me I finally consolidated all 500 of my super accounts.9:16  Subscribe subscription I don't see your name anywhere in the Patreon subscribe.9:20  I tried to count off my admin and it's just as backfired her rific9:26  love support the Patreon but with this new tax I mean, how are you?9:31  It's in impossible. It's impossible. I'm gonna be living on base for the rest of9:36  your day. I can't believe anyone in any journalist, any bounty hunter, any private investigator is doing anything else with their time right now other than finding that person like that's the only thing all newspapers should be on that 24/79:54  I would like to pitch a concept specifically to the $540 million person I assume they listen to this podcast. It's a new holiday I've thought of called Super Claus. Basically, this super, super fund owner acts as the nation's Santa Claus. He reveals Himself. And then one day a year, we can all go to them and say what we want for in our superannuation in our self managed super funds, he grabs those wishes, and he gets to live his life as beyond even human, just this legend. And then we all move on. It's a good news story. No one's angry at him for a super balance. It's just it's a new holiday.10:39  That's about as you can to turn the tables on your parents and you can tell them that that person doesn't exist. I mean, here's the thing. Are these boomers with so much money in the bank account? Like what are they going to do in retirement? Like the the biggest iPad is only $1,900?10:56  Yeah, I mean, you could buy maybe like three or four caravans and like, strap them on top of each other, and get like a triple decker quadruple Decker situation going on. That'd be fun.11:06  Pete Lola on the chat has said it's Gina Reinhardt. Well, here's the thing Gina Reinhardt actually came out to news.com. Today, you and a representative said, No, it's not Gina Rinehart because Jenna Hannah is not stupid enough to lock up $544 million until she retires.11:23  This is a tiny Venn Diagram of people who haven't discovered offshore bank accounts want to keep their money in the Australian economy. So it's some kind of like Ozzie bat law, but at the peak of their career,11:35  you know, they say Jane about people who've got big nest eggs, and gotten complex shell companies that's11:44  the only person I can think of who is like rich have and would be so afraid of foreigners that he wouldn't trust his money in an offshore bank is the expense. Like I reckon that11:57  we should get him on the show. He's a friend of the show. I've got him I've got his number in my in my book. So12:05  if there's a human being there's an Australian whose number you don't have, they don't exist. Oregon, if you scroll you through your phone, you would eventually find that person with half a billion dollars in super like there is12:20  I should send everyone a text right away. And just tell us said it's an attack on middle Australia, middle Australia. Who could just give $3 million until they're 66 Just sitting there they're not gonna miss it. That 3 million don't miss that 3 million.12:39  I tried to think what I would do with $3 million dollars and I Googled what can you buy with $3 million. And the first article I got was from finance samurai or someone a blog like that. And it all it said was 3 million is the new 1 million and I felt so poor. I've never felt like aspirationally I'm not even picturing the right number anymore. Yeah.13:03  The old 1 million yet that's moving too fast. Do13:06  you know that scene from succession by the way, Greg gets offered like $10 million. And they all talk about how sad it is to have $10 million because it'skind of feeling millionaire.13:20  Yeah. embarrassing to admit you've got over 3 million on your in your super account, I think embarrassingly small amount of money if you're not the 500 mil guy then who are you? That's crazy.13:34  Yeah, yeah, the phrase I'm a millionaire has really, truly jumped the shark hasn't it? as we as we the phrase jumped the shark.13:43  I did see an article because I think when it came out, like obviously, the message got out pretty quickly, that it was going to effect such as like small amount of the country that really no one apart from Angus Taylor perplexingly probably his brother who has a problem but he's probably got half a billion Giga litres of water in super.14:05  This is rational fear. Angus Taylor14:10  situation we had was some people were contributing millions of dollars into super and it's totally inappropriate. What to use,14:18  who you're listening to are very rational here.14:24  This week second fifth Gen Zed thanks buttons or violence. According to The Guardian Gen Zed are having trouble with physical office appliances like finding files folders, printers, copiers, fax machines, binders, basically anything with buttons is extremely difficult to work with. Jane, what's going on here? Do we need like a button pushing Bootcamp for Gen Zed before they're allowed to apply for actual jobs?14:47  Oh my god, I I'm a millennial. I will say I'm 32 but I just feel so bad for Gen Zed, because we've went destroying the planet. We've tanked the economy. They'll never buy a home and now we still expect them to use like The Canon 1996 printer in the Kindle office space, and we're getting upset at them for not knowing how to do that, like the poor little guys just like they shouldn't have to worry about that. And they just want to be left alone on tick tock with the apps that just feed all the information straight to their brain. And we're making them interact in like a sad as places in the world which like, I don't know, offices set up in the 80s and 90s. And no wonder they don't want to do it.15:29  It's like that Apple TV show severance. Every office is like that to them. There's a great quote quote in his article from a guy who runs workshops on intergenerational differences. He says, I joke in my sessions that my gen Zed intern didn't know how to mail a letter. He said, they asked me where the sticker went. And I said, Do you think stickers are just fine? When I15:54  work at a Triple J, there's a millennial and Gen Zed exclusive atmosphere. And like, I'm the second I think I'm the third probably, I'm in the top five oldest people that have ever worked there. People asked me about like 2015 And I'm like, man, it was crazy.16:16  You would say, man, it was cray cray. Yeah.16:21  They want to leave but they can't find the elevator button. So they have to listen to I think there's you know, you do read a lot of articles where every time there's like a boomer gender divide. The old people are like you don't know how hard it is when you when you get old. No one wants to hire you. And I think this is a great opportunity. Like I think we used to have elevator operators. And I think now if you turn 60, we give you the gold watch. And then you just become a guy who pushes the button on a photocopier. It keeps you employed gives you something to do. It gets Gerald out of the house, and it keeps Gen Zeds you know, are able to use Photo copiers, everyone wins.16:59  These are valuable skills in demand. Yeah.17:03  I've never worked anywhere as trendy as Triple J. Like we say I've worked places17:08  to say I love I love the way you said Triple J like yeah, like with as much denim as possible.17:15  You also said trendy which was incredible.17:19  I've aged out of the hottest 100 And I get to have feelings about that. Now that's17:27  such a millennial thing to say17:28  we have blocked your number and everyone like you.17:32  I'll see you on Double J in 10 years.17:37  The system is working17:40  at least what about you? What's your thoughts? I17:42  mean, I just I think we're being a bit too hard on these kids not knowing how to use this stuff like I am an elder millennial and I don't know how to use stuff that was used to do business in the generation before me I don't know how to use a quill or abacus or like cocaine i18:03  and that's fine pursues rational fear18:07  Annabelle is a typical teenager. And these days, that often means living with anxiety. Why it's so hard to turn on. There's no button,18:15  a rational fear.18:18  This week's third fear time on the moon we not only cover the most pressing topics on Earth in the show, but from time to time we cover Moon related disputes the moon is set to get its own timezone. That's right, it's moon time. People joke about flying to Adelaide, and they've got to turn your clock back 30 years but on the moon despite looking so much like Adelaide no one knows how far the wind back back looks. At least what is Moon time18:42  the European Space Agency has come out and said that they think that the moon needs a time zone. I'm all for it. You know, I would love to get up onto the moon be playing some you know Dance Dance Revolution. The dress Park game where you're in a jeep, the core machine timezone? No, that's okay.19:05  It took us a long19:07  night, they're looking to have like an official timezone for the moon so that you know, as it's getting busier, and you've got commercial organisations flying up there, that sort of thing for everyone to be sort of on the same track. So you don't have rockets going up there. And like doing the up who's to go do go? It's all clear everyone knows exactly where they're going. And it's a lot safer and happier for everyone. A whole series of problems with doing it because like yeah, gravity is an issue so clocks go faster on the moon and like depending on where abouts on the moon it is so your clocks are running all sorts of different times all over the shop. It sounds like an absolute nightmare to figure out.19:51  Surely the moon is going to be the right place for a sundial gravity is gold school like Let's find you know, a baby boomer who doesn't understand technology can explain a sundial younger generation or20:13  on the moon.20:16  I think actually, I tell you what my if I was in the European Space Agency, I'd be like, guys, I know you guys always told me I don't belong here, because I'm not a scientist and I don't understand anything. But I've got an idea. I think clocks should be banned. I think time should be banned on the moon. I think it'd be a no to so I think it should be like a chill zone where on the way, you have to put your watches or your phones in a little bag. Like you're going to see Dave Chappelle in case he says something transphobic put it in a rocket, and you have to leave it in the rocket and then the moon can be a place where we don't worry about time we can leave our troubles on Earth. Thank you.20:52  What time do we leave to go back to whenever you want man20:55  to move? You know what I mean? It's it's a common, it's21:00  a common, it's a common Well, she got21:05  to be five minutes. But I found a joke.21:08  Very good. Yes, moon days are about 29.5 Earth days long. That is a long day, a whole month on the moon. And clocks work at different speeds. Why two clocks? I want to know why clocks work at different speeds on the surface and in orbit. That is so strange.21:24  So it's yeah, it maybe physically Yeah, the pull of gravity on the21:29  hands of the clock. Yeah,21:31  wow. It's a great journey for like, for a brand to come in and start their own, you know, branded time, like you'd have like, Blue Moon beer time. That would be like even on Mars, you know, you could have Mars, Mars Bartok, that would be good.21:44  They tried to they tried to do this with Antarctica with like how Antarctic is like the shared continent, a little section of it. But now there's like 10 time zones all across Antarctica. But if you set up a base, countries will just set up a new base with a new research station and then decide we don't care what the timezone is where we are, we're gonna go by our home timezone. So there's all these erratic, non approved time zones throughout Antarctica as well. I feel like the moon's just gonna end up like that, like we're gonna have like China and Russia and America, we'll get there different times. And be like, we're on Russia in time and American Moon time. It's just gonna keep going.22:23  Can you can you imagine if the Australians get there like half the team would be on daylight savings time, it would be terrible. With Antarctica,22:31  how important is time What are you doing? You're meeting like the Russians across the border for coffee like what22:41  I feel like the one thing that the moon and and like everyone has to worry about is not having the scientists and the like the astronauts go crazy. I feel like the one thing that will guarantee an astronaut going crazy is saying an Earth Day is 29 moon days. That is crazy astronauts you're breeding up on the moon23:06  Thank you man with Dominic claw on the chat saying moonlight David savings time. Thank you for that. I23:10  appreciate it. I don't like the moon. It scares me. I don't like thinking about how can you not like the moon? I don't get it doesn't make sense. A rational seer.23:21  Stick with us. If you are a Patreon sponsor, you will hear an extra fear. We'll we'll be discussing about all things about Robo debt and Stewart Roberts particular eating habits and how they're related. But if you're not a Patreon supporter, you'll hear live read from our sponsor. And then we'll be chatting with Nicolette Bulla from the Smart Energy Council. Lewis just popping the podcast and hold here to talk about our incredible sponsor Australian ethical who do incidentally superannuation, which is the flavour of the week on this podcast. Do23:50  you think the person with half a billion dollars is investing with Australian ethical because that would put us in a pickle because then we kind of want them to keep it23:57  actually that's a really good point of view. Yeah, maybe maybe that person if they are with Australian ethical, they should definitely keep it because Australian ethical don't invest in things like fossil fuels. They don't invest in things like human trafficking, or weapons or pretty, you know, bad stuff. They invest ethically so that half a billion dollars, that would be that would be saving so much carbon if it was in some Bodhi else's Superfund that is so good, but that's with the straight ethical24:22  every time you say this to me, I am sure I'm like, which super funds are investing in human trafficking. And why haven't we stopped that? Well, they're 2023 You know what I mean? Like shouts to Australian ethical for putting up and going, Hey, by the way, we don't have human trafficking. But I must admit, I sort of assumed all super funds were pretty awful human trafficking.24:44  One Superfund does support a particular podcast that is irrational fear and that is the straight ethical thank you so much for your support straight ethical. Let's get back to the show. All right by July one this year. Labour government is going hammer and tongs trying to get in place a policy to help Australia meet its climate targets and something called the safeguard mechanism. It's something you could sounds like something you could buy in a sex shop doesn't it? It is designed to gently finger the greenhouse gas emitters without kind of rogering them entirely Joining us now to discuss the safeguard mechanism. Its longtime policy wonk and former candidate for Bradfield. Nicolette Bulla. Welcome Nicolette to rational fear.25:26  Thanks for having me. I'm have no idea how you're gonna make this very serious topic. Remotely funny.25:33  Oh, that's, that's good. That's what we do. If we fail, we're doing it. So it's totally fine. We're very comfortable25:37  being not funny. Otherwise, it's never I've kept going.25:42  Nikolay, tell us like the safeguard mechanism, like how does it meant to work? And will it work?25:48  With the name, we don't even know what it means. I mean, I know what it's safeguarding if it's the climate complete fail if it's the fossil fuel industry, maybe remotely better. At the Smart Energy Council, we call it the big polluters programme, which is basically a shortcut to explain what it is. This mechanism is it, it limits the emissions from the country's biggest industrial sites, big factories, so there's two of them, 15 of those, they're big, they're chunk out 100,000 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions each year, it's about 28% of the nation's total kind of carbon budget. What's really keen to understand is they're kind of in two categories, there's half of them are these industrial processes that we can probably see, we can navigate towards a nice low carbon future things like fertilisers, steel, aluminium cement. And then there's the other half, which are basically fossil fuel operations. That's, that's coal and gas, where there really isn't any feasible technology that's going to take these guys to net zero, they just need to stop production. So what we've got is this mechanism, that's going to work for half of them and not the other half. There's three things being discussed at the moment around the mechanism, I suppose there's lots of them, but it's baselines is the first thing this is the contract about how much each of these factories can emit. In the old system. Those just weren't enforced at all people are allowed to increase their limits what's being offered now, Minister Boren suggesting that we'll have new baselines, and there'll be a kind of musical chairs thing out to 2050, a reduction of 4.9% each year. So that looks like it's, you know, going towards something like our Climate Change Act 43%, emission reductions, by 2030, and net zero by 2050. The second part is that big polluters don't actually have to reduce their emissions. Actually, they can buy offsets, we can talk about that in a minute. And the third thing is that really this sort of cap of the price that the government will pay for these at $75, these credits that have been created just are not set as sort of price that is going to create some structural adjustments for some of these industries. We're seeing much bigger prices in international markets.28:04  We've seen in committee hearings lately, a lot of questions about prices, particularly David pokok, who was kind of pressing the architects of the safeguard mechanism on the price, basically say, Well, if it goes above 75, who pays who pays for that, and the people who may have made this kind of programme have gone on, we haven't actually thought about, we haven't actually thought about what happens when the price goes over it already. There's a lot of fossil fuel companies who have who are pricing these carbon offsets, at at $80. And more, oh, who is going to pay for that? Who's gonna pay for that? Nicolet. And they're28:38  going to do it because of course, we don't just work in Australia, we're operating international market. So we have some companies at the moment who are doing what we call shadow pricing at $400 a time because we've seen some peaks and spikes in other markets that that kind of price. So yeah, if they're going to stay internationally competitive in terms of greenhouse emission reduction profiles, because we've got some places like the EU have got import tariffs now. So if we want to put out goods and services and sell them to places in the EU, we add an extra tariff on that because ours is heavier or more, you know, more polluting than theirs.29:11  Wow, that's so huge that that amount of money that's wild. I was watching an episode of Clarkson's farm last night, and they were getting 180 pounds, a tonne for wheat. Like we're talking about cob. We're talking about pollution here. That is tonne. That is heaps of money. tonnes of money doesn't make sense, but it's just so much money.29:29  There's a lot of money at the moment we made in coal and gas as well if you're exporting it overseas,29:34  if you'd like wood to pretend to be like a greenwashing expert, how much money is there to be made in selling offsets or Shitloads? Like what's the scam? Like do we need to go by?29:47  How do we get involved? is really the question.29:50  We got a podcast we've we've got a podcast if I'm Nicolette29:53  Yeah, well, okay. So you might I don't know if you heard that there's there was this thing called the chub review, which had a little look at the offset scream and how it's been going. There30:03  were just so I'm so sorry. Just because of the nature of this programme, we have to pump the brakes on Chubb review. Committee or when they were halfway done, what did they call it?30:16  The halfway Chester half chap review. It was the half chub review.30:20  Sorry, Nicola, I know you're very soon. I apologise. I'm sorry to everyone listening, we can continue with the job review.30:31  So the question is, like, how, how much money can you make? So I don't know if you want to get the spreadsheet up. But in this review, there are 165 projects. I mean, 24 point 5 million credits. Now, and this is mainly from what we call human induced regeneration, aka, planting more trees, putting some seeds in the ground, and maybe not. I mean, some of the people gave evidence and the inquiry said maybe the rain made the plants grow. So there wasn't necessarily additional. So if you want to, you know, this, this was some of the greenwashing claims come in. Now, just to be clear, the findings of the inquiry suggested that there was no overstatement in the creation of those credits. There are sort of big question marks around whether the climate understands the difference between, you know, not stopping burning coal and gas versus, you know, growing a few more plants on someone's property. Man, it's31:32  review revealed a problem that was growing and growing.31:37  Thank you, Louis. Can you tell us like I heard a rumour that Tony Abbott actually designed the safeguard mechanism. And surely, if Labour is getting behind some of that Tony Abbott designed to protect the environment. Surely, it'll do the opposite of what Tony Abbott is said it would do?31:52  Well, yeah. Well, I don't know if I'm bit old. I think actually remember that. Nick, Xenophon. And his team proposed some of the changes which then the coalition at the time adopted because they had this thing called the oh, goodness, can't remember it. Some sort of, oh, credit skate, no. Direct action. That's what it was.32:14  Yeah, yes. We all we all remember the green army, Nikolai, we were. It was people on the dole going out to plant trays, that'll save us.32:23  And it was the biggest ideological contortion that I have experienced, where we got rid of what was basically market based mechanisms of doing some emissions trading. And we took that away, and we use taxpayers money and granted that to big polluters to do nothing much at all. It was extraordinary. And so that's when Xenophon suggested perhaps we do some of these things. And you know, to the credit, I suppose, coalition said, oh, yeah, okay, let's do some baselines and get people to report those emissions. And then let's see whether we can get them to actually reduce their emissions. But of course, if you don't enforce something, probably doesn't get done.33:03  I love hearing in the commission, David Polka talk about Akyuz they're the they're the units of carbon offsets. Is that right? Yeah, they kind of they kind of sound like the new Bitcoin, like the way he was talking about it made me want to get in early on accute. I needed to buy, buy some Akyuz now, so in 10 years time when I'm underwater, I'll be able to buy myself a nice house on the hill.33:23  Yeah, now that the NFT market is crashing, is there room for maybe the carbon credit like to take its place if we can make the carbon credit schemes really, really trendy? We'd like 60 year olds?33:35  Yeah. Yeah, a series of carbon credits, but some of them are wearing fedoras. And some of them have really cool sunglasses on. Some of them have like little sailor,33:46  maybe dead ape, we could call it33:53  drowning. Nicolette Bill bola. Thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear to give us a little bit of clarity and leave us feeling more despondent than ever about the safeguard mechanism.34:06  Thanks for having me.34:08  That is it for irrational fear. Big thank you to all of our guests Nicolette Villa Jane Bell, Elise Phillips Louis harbour, what would you folks like to plug up Jane? Let's start with you.34:19  I've got a Melbourne Comedy Festival show starting on the 29th of March it buys a pack of three called slops it is about having multiple quarterlife crisis is all through your 20s and 30s. You can find it on the Coronavirus website or on my Instagram Jane Bell MP.34:36  Excellent lace. Yeah, I'm34:38  also bringing a show to the Melbourne International Comedy Festival I'm starting on March 27 at the butterfly club and it's called at least Phillips tends to be on tropical holiday for 50 minutes definitely not a scam. It does what it says on the tin34:54  I love it a great long name I'm big fan of long name Nicolette below what would you like to plug Do you have a show at the building? contest35:02  for possible by elections in the federal state of Bradfield, after the New South Wales election, I'll be running as community independent. I'm allowed to do that. I'll just have35:11  go for it. Yeah, yeah. We should point out that Nicolette almost almost got a seat last last time around. So this could be the Redux how excited you know, around the same time I was doing the billboard stuff, Paul, Paul Fletcher said on q&a said, what you can't do is you can't go around putting up billboards saying that Paul Fletcher is an idiot. And I thought well, that that is a great quote. That is a great quote to put on a billboard. Bradfield, which is an idiot by Paul Fletcher q&a On this date. So there's an idea for you. Oh, yes, John from radios wants to Sir remind everyone that our Adelaide show is 5pm This Saturday afternoon in the garden of unearthly delights. So for now tonight and you listen to this before before then please come along, get a ticket. We've got the Attorney General came mark from South Australia on the podcasts gonna be talking to him all about the voice Lewis. What would you like to look?36:07  Yes at the Adelaide show, Dan. We're also going to be in Melbourne on the second and April. So buy tickets to that. It's gonna be fun. It's a technically a hometown show for me. So I'm expecting rapturous applause, perhaps some sort of motorcade. I would accept fireworks. I would like Dan Andrews to be there and personally shake my hand and walk me back to the city of Melbourne. These are just some ideas. If you're listening from Melbourne, and you're wondering how you can welcome me back home.36:39  Yes, it's gonna be a great show. That is it for rational fear. 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Also why Peter Dutton is going to do everything he can to block the Voice to Parliament (hint: because Albo is in favour of it!)News Fighters is a comedic look at Australian news, media and political hypocrisy from TV comedy editor Dylan Behan.  Chip into support the show at http://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearWatch on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/newsfightersListen to old episodes at http://podfollow.com/newsfightersFollow News Fighters on Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/newsfighterspod/Follow News Fighters on Twitter: http://twitter.com/NewsfightersPodFollow Dylan on Twitter: http://twitter.com/dylabolicalEmail: dylan@newsfighters.com 0:00  G'day A Rational Fear listeners, Dan Ilic here letting you know that yes, you may have noticed I took the week off last week. That's because I'm currently in both amp amp amp and amp amp. Africa. Not Toto's Africa. But the Bertha Fellowship's Africa. Yes. They flew me out to Cape Town. After supporting the podcast for two years. 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A lot of people have said that this feed is to your nation century we're gonna get some Naarm in here. Speaking of speaking of other nations, we're going to be up in meanjin. We're going to be in Brisbane on the 26th of March and we're going to be in Adelaide in two weeks. In March for so we'll see you then. Oh, of course. And we'll we'll be in Nam will be in Melbourne performing at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. April 2, so we're dealing with B there'll be a different DJ we hired out of pure convenience and cost sake. We found a DJ there was a DJ in Melbourne. Apparently there are no DJs in Brisbane, there are no comedy DJs in Adelaide and we had to fly them in2:38  Andrew McClellan's a great mate of mine and will arguably do the job better than me. So enjoy that.2:45  All right, here's this month's episode of news fighters.2:47  Let's start the show.2:49  This is News Fighters, where we fight the news so you don't have to with Dylan Behan.2:57  Yes, G'day everyone. Welcome to News fighters. It's episode 121 for February 2023 News Fridays everybody loves it. Tiller on it. For those of you joining us for the very first time news fighters is a comedic look at the month in Australia news media and political hypocrisy hosted by me ex to nightly and chaser editor and 80s Rock Legend. Dylan bein. Yes. And news fighters, of course is now monthly. Here on the irrational fear podcast feed and if you love irrational fear stick around because my interview guest is none other than my new boss, Dan Ilic, who's here to talk about the New South Wales election amongst other things.3:36  I don't mind getting a parking fine. It's in the app. I could I could see it. I can see how many points I've lost by going through that red light. I have any I haven't gone through any red LEDs.3:43   But first Happy New Year's everyone I don't know about you. But to me, it feels like it's the first year where we're not in 2020 anymore. Yes, it's the first summer in four years here in Australia that hasn't been dominated by deadly bushfires, COVID lock downs or scary new variants. Of course the upshot of that is the media has been absolutely scrambling for news stories to report on I mean, look, somehow this made the national news4:06  Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban are making the most of their time here in Australia. It was a recent trip to a kebab shop that had the Hollywood couple wowing locals hereNicole and Keith stopped by manly sucide kebabs for a tasty treat.4:19  And for those of you who believe that long form interrogative interviews died when lease sales left 730 Well, I give you the most confrontational explosive interview since frost Nixon with Sunrise kebabs shop!4:35  How exciting was it to have Nicole and Keith in your store? And most importantly, what did they order?Is there any time of the day when a kebab isn't appropriate?I've got to ask Do you have a specialty tasty dish is something that Keith hasn't tried yet that maybe he should give a go4:54  may I'm gonna get him to try the lamb kebab.4:58  What a story. How Good, good on you.5:00  And thanks for the great kebabs. Oh, that'd be studying that interview a journalism school for decades to come. And in international news this summer there was almost a major diplomatic incident as a mysterious foreign balloon was spotted over America. 5:14  Bluey the lovable Blue Heeler pup from Australia is making her debut in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. 5:21  Yes, fun fact though. bluey was actually Australia's first balloon in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade since the Babadook. In 2015. Summer of course is also the season of sport in this country and the New Year's cricket test in Sydney gave us a telling sign that maybe COVID is finally behind us.5:37  Matt Renshaw has actually tested positive to COVID. Now he will play but he's keeping a safe distance and he is in the starting 11 Of course he will play and it will play a full part. 5:48  Yes, that's right at the third test against South Africa and Sydney. Australian cricketer Matthew Renshaw tested positive to COVID and played anyway. never even bothered to put a mask on well, that Scott Morrison would say Australia is literally6:03  Taking wickets in the virus! They are indeed6:06  indeed indeed taking wickets with the virus and batting with the virus and standing 50 centimeters away I'm asked from the other players during the national anthem at the virus. We now do everything with the virus someone else who's definitely over COVID is the today's shows Karl Stefanovic6:20  As you know, I'm not a glowing ambassador for more than two shots I've just decided that I've had COVID A couple of times and I'm done with the vaccines6:28  wow what a surprise a millionaire TV host with paid sick leave doesn't want to get vaccinated anymore. Well let's find by me all the more jobs for me if I get sick with COVID again I can't afford to pay my rent so I'd be happy to fight waning immunity with the job every morning with my coffee yum yum tasty vaccines Nom nom nom one country that isn't completely over COVID yet, though, is China which only just rip the band aid off its COVID Zero policy in December which led to Australia having to take some steps to protect itself.6:52  The federal government has today acted on concerns about China's surging COVID cases, announcing that travelers arriving from there will be required to take a pre departure COVID test.7:05  Yes, that's right. Incoming travelers from China were required to take a COVID test before coming to Australia. But why exactly if it turned out they were positive? They're legally allowed to do whatever they wanted here. Oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Lee, it appears as though you've tested positive for COVID. Well, on your way, enjoy your shopping trip. Oh, one more thing. Is there any chance you could just do us a favor and wear a set of cricket pads and bed in the test this afternoon? That'd be great. And if I saw one sign that the media has definitely moved on from COVID It was the site of the ABCs Chief COVID alarmist and do manga Dr. Norman Swan out doing fluffy lifestyle reports.7:41  Welcome to the program. Later we'll see Dr. Norman Swan in an ice bath.7:50  ARARAGH !Well, I can't pretend there's no cold. It is frizzy.7:54  Jays a slight change in tone from his reports this time three years ago, don't you think 7:59  If you let the pandemic go unchecked, huge numbers won't be able to receive treatment and will die! // It's not just the elderly who die. It's 30 and 40 year old with no obvious risk factors.8:11  We're all Gonna die!8:12  Well anyways, thank God we moved on and nobody is dying from COVID anymore. Thank God right.8:18  Right now COVID is putting 50 times more Australians in hospital than the flu and killing between 50 and 100 times more people.8:26  Meanwhile, the ABCs Chief COVID statistician Casey Briggs has even been demoted to reading other boring news stories. Evening Casey breaks with ABC News.8:35  Former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will soon be headed to Washington as Australia's next ambassador to the United States.8:42  Dr. Rudd brings unmatched experience to the role.8:45  Hang on a second. Dr. Rudd? Dr. Rudd? Wha what is he a doctor of backstabbing and handball? Anyways, it turns out Dr. road wasn't the only nerd that our prime minister had to contend with this summer.8:57  One of the world's richest people. Bill Gates is meeting with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese at kirribilli. House9:03  We haven't met before but I've admired your work.9:08  Yes. Turns out Albert is a big fan of gates early work, especially Clippy the talking paperclip and of course, the Microsoft Windows calculator without which elbow never could have done the numbers against Gillard. True fact. It wasn't just all nerd talk. There were some actual policy announcements from the federal government this summer. Like this one, the federal government9:26  is promising to usher in a new era of support for Australia's creative industries with a $300 million boost to arts funding. The five year plan includes the establishment of a poet laureate9:38  Yes. And knowing Federal Labor I can probably guess who they're going to pick is their first poet laureate. I guess he's a certain ex Prime Minister 9:46  (BEEP) (BEEP) This language! These dickheads in the embassy This bloody interpreter! (BANG)9:54  Oh, what a beautiful way with words! Move over ,Carol Ann Duffy. Look her up. The liberals of course are absolutely incensed that Anthony Albanese would prioritize the arts. Of all things. He is Deputy Liberal leader Sussan Ley.10:09  The Arts is important, but this announcement demonstrates the government's misplaced priorities. They're promised an art gallery in Alice Springs. And what Alice Springs needs. Is more police on the streets.10:23  Yes. How dare the government talk about the arts when there's any other problems occurring. The Liberals have decided the current Alice Springs Crime Wave is Anthony Albanese is Hawaii moment that he must be hammered on. At every opportunity for getting Of course, last I checked, crime is a local issue, not a federal one. And Prime Ministers aren't Santa Claus and can't be everywhere all at once. Instead, the coalition and the Murdoch media are all asking How dare Albanese spend any time anywhere other than our springs, doesn't he know His job is to be fighting crime. 24/7 like Batman,10:57  the Prime Minister spend a lot of time at the tennis having enjoying corporate hospitality. But there are pressing issues in relation to the safety of Indigenous Australians in Alice Springs.11:12  So the prime minister should visit Alice Springs,11:15  there are tennis matches that went longer than Anthony Albanese, his visit on the ground in Alice Springs.11:22  You know, of course no sign of Albo. He's not interested. He did his couple hours on the ground off he went to the tennis to chuck back beers.11:31  And as long at the Mardi Gras as he managed to spend, certainly not as long as he spent at the tender but that was just look at the optics of this look at this being at some massives colorful celebration in the streets of Sydney when the absolute mess that labor have helped contribute to both at federal level and territory level in the in Northern Territory and particularly Alice Springs has not been solved here11:58  to have Sky News as our lucky you know, their coalition have been in power for roughly 21 of the last 27 years. But every current societal problem is a direct result of the last nine months of the Albanese Labour Government. Why haven't they fixed everything already? Also, don't you think it's funny how the liberals hate Anthony Albanese attending the tennis but never had an issue with all the time Scott Morrison attended the footy, even like say in mid March 2020 when Australia was facing its biggest crisis in generations, with COVID lapping at our shores. On the same day Morrison announced he was banning mass gatherings. He also said Of course, I'm going to the footy this weekend.12:36  Welcome to the program mass gatherings of more than 500 people are said to be canceled from Monday as Australian authorities tried to limit the spread of Coronavirus.12:45  Well, I do still plan to go to the football on Saturday as I said because this is a an arrangement we're putting in place for next week as a precaution.12:54  Anyway, speaking of massive hypocrites this week we had Oh yes, you hear that? It's the honeymoon ending for the Albanese government.13:01  The government has rejected calls for communications minister Michelle Rowland to resign after she accepted $19,000 in donations from a gambling agency before the federal election13:12  I have and will continue to comply with the disclosure requirements of the ASC the register of members interests and the ministerial code of conduct13:20  no need to worry the Communications Minister complied with all the necessary political financing rules, which proves our entire political system is corrupted by money. And nobody wants to do anything about it. But personally, I'm amazed nobody saw this coming when the sports bed app actually listed Michelle Rowland as the two to one favorite for being the first labour minister to resign in disgrace. Dammit, I knew I should have gone for a same sitting week multi. Anyways, back to indigenous reconciliation. And last week was the 15th anniversary of Dr. Rudd's apology to the Stolen Generations. And I'll give you one guess who couldn't be bothered turning up yet again.14:00  Noticeably absent from the anniversary breakfast this morning. Peter Dutton says he wishes he made a different choice in 2008,14:08  The Prime Minister's frequently able to point it out that I didn't attend the chamber for the apology 15 years ago. I've apologized for that in the past. And I repeat that apology again today.14:21  Yes, make sure you don't invite Peter Dutton to your wedding or he'll boycott it on purpose and apologize. But Miss your 50th anniversary party on purpose again anyway, you know, like a normal emotionally stable and empathetic human being does.14:32  I failed to grasp at the time, the symbolic significance to the stolen generation of the apology?14:39  Yes. Peter Dutton says he finally grasps the symbolic significance of the apology. So you think it might be supportive of the even more significant voice to Parliament that's being proposed? Right.14:50  I think the voice is not going to get up. I don't think it's going to be successful. I want an outcome that's going to bring an end to the violence this sexual assaults on children taking place in Alice Springs at the moment I want reconciliation to improve in our country. I don't want to see the escalation of domestic violence that we've seen. And I want a model that is going to help those kids enjoy the life that I would expect my kids to enjoy in a capital city. Yes,15:19  that's right. Peter Dutton is basically saying is not going to support the voice to Parliament because it doesn't solve all the problems facing all indigenous people immediately, you know, like his government was famous for fixing. Anyways, it's quickly becoming abundantly clear that the main reason Peter Dutton and the coalition are going to oppose the voice is because Anthony Albanese is in favor of it. And for all their endless talk about wanting outcomes that improve people's lives, they've quickly forgotten that in their last decade in power, the only lives they seem to improve with the lives of landlords, CEOs and shareholders. Hilariously, people like Peter Dutton and indigenous Coalition Senator Jacinto Nampijinpa Price, have declared their opposition to the voice while simultaneously saying that what indigenous people need is for their voice to somehow be heard by political leaders in Canberra. Wait,16:08  what if there was a strong indigenous voice coming out of the Northern Territory at the moment that they want the Prime Minister to lead to act, and to help them out that the Prime Minister is not listening to that voice? Then I think most Australians would say, Well, what? Why not?16:21  We don't need a voice. We need ears we need we need our leadership to have to use their ears and to listen to community if16:30  I want to make sure that those voices who have the ability to make the changes and the practical outcomes and the improvements for kids and women's and families on the ground that that's the voice that I want to hear.16:41  Yeah, maybe done and price it right. If only there was some way indigenous people could be regularly consulted or listened to by our parliament, on the issues that affect them. What? Why isn't anybody thought of a way to do this? If they figure it out? Maybe we could vote on it in a referendum, maybe Donlin price would support that right. So in conclusion, it looks like the political year is beginning to take shape. We've got an opposition determined to set reconciliation back an entire generation just so they can score some political points against a popular new prime minister. We've got a new government whose modus operandi appears to be nothing more than appearing slightly less corrupt than the other guys they replaced and all the while the media is more focused on what kebab shop our Hollywood stars when to than holding any of these politicians to account. Good on you. And thanks for the great kebabs. I know it's only February, but right now the political landscape in Australia feels so mean and dirty. It makes me want to have a prolonged ice bath. Right, Norman Swan? Happy 2023 Everyone. All righty, welcome back to news fighters. And this month, our special interview guest I haven't had him on for two years. Believe it or not. It's an old friend of mine, the host of irrational fear Dan Ilic, the man with whom comedy would not exist in Australia. How are you going down?18:04  That's very generous of you. Yes. I actually I actually, I actually made comedy. I invented comedy in Australia. Anybody who wants to do comedy in18:12  half of the weekly last week was people you discovered.18:16  That's it? Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, yeah. Why isn't a weekly got me on I've been I mean, I've been doing this for so long. Go, oh, my goodness, this is the problem. This is the problem. No, you're welcome. You're welcome, Australia. I find I shot I polish them up and I let them go. That's what's my job. That's a job at irrational fear. No, we are very lucky to have a lot of funny people come through a rational fear and, and a lot of people whose careers are just coasting like my own. So, you know, it's just one of those things. It's, you know, they say you do irrational fear twice in your career. Unlike me, it's turned out to be my whole career. So they18:50  normally I'd have you on to discuss a rational fear. But given that we're now on the irrational fear podcasts read, I think people are already subscribed to irrational fear and are quite familiar with it.19:00  That's right. That's right. And if you're not, I'm really sorry, this is going to be this would have been a very confusing episode for you. Because this is news spiders, this, we're basically getting Dylan on to do the show once a month means one, I can have a week off once a month. And to Dylan has a place for his excellent show, and he can get paid to do it. That's when that's the great thing about this show.19:25  So in lieu of talking to you about irrational fear, which everyone knows about, I guess we'll get to plugging the upcoming events at the end. But I figured we'd talk maybe about your a great news brand, your great politics brain. I thought maybe we'd look ahead of the year in news and politics and maybe a few, a few predictions. I guess. I guess first off, we're gonna have the New South Wales State election in March. You quite familiar with the tail movement at the last federal election? What's going to happen in the state election? We're gonna get some TEALS up are we going to, are we going to get rid of pyrrhotite? What's what's going to happen to you reckon?19:59  I mean, there's a half which he was running. So it gets really tricky because unlike the federal election, there is no mandate for preferential voting. So there's no rules on preferential preferential voting. It's optional. It's optional. Yeah, it's optional. Yeah. So it gets really confusing. And so people will just go in there and they'll just put a one next to whoever they want and walk away. Whereas if they go through the whole ballot and label every single candidate box with a number, there are more chances that a candidate like an independent climate focus candidate, like the many of the climate 200 candidates will will get in. I reckon there's probably a lot of energy around a couple, particularly up in the northern beaches, Jackie screwby is running up there. It seems like she could probably pull together a really compelling campaign and find herself with a seat. So that's exciting. On the podcast, we had Judy Hannon from Wheeling, Billy Shire, and the Southern Highlands last week. So if you listen, if you listen to that, or if you're new to the podcast, go back and listen to that. Really interesting chat with her about how effective she might be able to be if she got a seat. And then there's a couple of others. Lane Cove has a couple of other North Shore seats that may that made her entail, but I think I think screwby is probably probably the most likely she's up and on the beaches. She comes from Sophie sconces campaign she was the Chief of Staff of Sophie sconces campaign back in the day. She is an ex Environmental Defense Lawyer. She knows climate back to front she is very much across Pep 11 which is the big fossil fuel project off the northern beaches. So there's a whole bunch of stuff that plays into her favor and not to say less she is benefiting from Sophie sconces huge grassroots campaign and a mailing list and volunteers. So that's a really interesting one. And that one will be I think I look, I think that'd be a shoo in. If she doesn't get in, I'll be very surprised.22:00  but correct me if I'm wrong. I noticed the TEALS at the federal election, there was a big anti scomo Anti liberal movement, but I feel like Britain correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe I'm brainwashed here, but I feel like the New South Wales liberals are definitely wearing their green on their on their sleeves. They're trying to try and be a bit more green than than the federal Liberals. Is that a fair assumption? 22:21  No, that is an accurate assumption. And they've played that card really well. You see a lot of great initiatives from New South Wales and partly because, you know, the New South Wales actually minority government right now. So they need to, they need to collaborate with a whole bunch of the other parties. So mainly the independents people like Alex Greenwich, and the greens so by it's kind of funny because the Liberals are forming coalition's with the greens in New South Wales so they can so they can go against labour that is kind of that is kind of that's kind of the fun, weird coalition we're in right now. Another interesting thing that passed was not only on climate, stuff, like raise the renewable energy zone up in north eastern New South Wales, which got passed. But stuff like really interesting social stuff, like the end of life stuff that was going on. For euthanasia in New South Wales that got passed as well. This is all because despite having an open estate Premier, who is personally morally against it, they ended up voting for it, because they are in minority government. So that's, it's kind of a interesting position that they're in right now. So realistically, it's the, it's the other groups in the in parliament that are holding the Liberals account to kind of get stuff done. So they can go about their day pretending that they are grain, but really, the grain has been pushed upon them upon the grains by the grains and the independence. So it'll be interesting to see kind of how that how that changes. Should the Liberals get out like, they're gonna go against the renewable energy zone, they still are processing a whole bunch of coal and gas projects, and they're still going out the door and, and also, when it comes to development, they're still over developing precious habitat for chlamydia free koalas. So there's this interesting case in southwest Sydney, where they've moved a whole bunch of koalas or they're trying to move a whole bunch of koalas out of Southwest Sydney, and move them to a sanctuary in the southern highlands, which happens to be owned by the same land as the developer for the development of the land development. So this is a whole bunch of stuff that when it comes to the environment, they weigh the flag and say, hey, yeah, we're super green. But really, when you look at it, it's get down to brass tacks. It's it's it's not as green as you think. So it'll be interesting to see kind of how that how that plays out. I don't know if the till movement can mobilize the same amount of anger back to your question against Dominic ParaType. And Matt Cain along those same lines. It'll be interesting to see I, you know, they're they're passionate, they're fired up. And when you've got brains like Jackie screwby, who know, climate back to front, I wouldn't be surprised if they're successful.24:54  You mean so after 12 years in power, and on our fourth Premier, do you think that The Liberals could could could win again or will will, will people think of elbow when they vote for Labour at the state election and labor cuts across the planet? So it's hard to say it's going to be a quite honestly,25:09  I honestly don't know, for me, it feels pretty ephemeral. Like I can't get a grip, I can't get a grip on it at all, in terms of what the electorate is feeling because here's the thing, anyone who's lived in New South Wales for a long period of time knows what life is like under a Labour government. A lot of particularly around infrastructure, what liberals have done have delivered huge amounts of infrastructure in 12 years, they've, they've made the best use of at the time, low interest rates, and they've digitized the entire they've completely revolutionized service New South Wales digitize services. It's actually a joy to interact with the government.25:48  We all love US dollars on the app that we scanned and got free bowling.25:54  I don't mind getting a parking fine. It's in the app. I could I could see it, I can see how many points I've lost by going through that red light. I've only I haven't gone through any red lights. But it's so I can see my working with children. In the app, everything's on the app. And it's such a joy to do that. And you know, that's something they've delivered. I'm sure a lot of governments over the last 10 years have done that. It's the exact same thing, but particularly it comes to infrastructure. You know, 12 years ago, there wasn't a metro. There wasn't a new, it wasn't open cards. There were there wasn't Opal cards. Yeah. And remember, labor trying to bring those things in. It was a real ball like it took forever. The disputes were off the chain, where where the Metro is going to go was off the chain was all dreadfully political. But somehow the Liberals managed to pull off a huge amount of infrastructure. In 10 years, the state feels almost a little bit different. But you know, the the dawn talking about Sydney? Of course, not talking about outside of outside of Sydney,26:52  People outside of Sydney will talk about lots of problems with the hospitals and healthcare and stuff. So it's very difficult. Sydney.27:00  Yeah, it's very different outside the metro areas, that's for sure. But yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty interesting. I don't know it could go either way. And yet, is New South Wales ready for a Labour Government? is probably how I would word it if I were running an attack this week.27:23  It's interesting. Seems27:24  he looks like a male model.27:27  But can he be trusted with a budget? I think most people in New South Wales New South Wales is the least parochial state in the country. I think we care the least about local pot state politics is anyone so I think most people don't even know the elections on and when they do go to vote. They'll be like, well, I like the new tunnel. So I might vote for that. Who knows?27:47  Yeah, I like paying $10 driving through the new tunnel. It's wonderful. Thank you.27:52  We'll see what happens. Yeah. And on the world stage, we've got two big things this year. We've got the king Charles's coronation in May. And cop 28 is in Dubai. Let's get the Patreon funded up and go to these. I'm all for it. What are your patreon.com/irrational Fear everyone jump on it? What do you reckon?28:11  Dylan? Let me tell you this. When the Queen died, and everyone had to replace their portrait of the Queen with the king, we bought two from the Australian Monica Association and I promised to give them out to anybody in the next two weeks, who signed up to the Patreon. No one signed up to the portrait, a framed portrait of King Charles no one signed up I think I think I've done the testing. I've done the American market research. This audience does not care about King Charles we are not we are definitely not going to be covering this kind of 28:41  I'll hang it up behind you all hang out on my wall here. I've got a nice space here.28:45  I mean, how many spaces okay, but there's not enough room for his hands, his hands, he's fat fingers really take up a lot of space.28:52  His ears take up the whole coin as well.28:55  But cup 28 in Dubai, it's one of the not one of the big cups. So I don't think we would have been going there either. But I think there's there will be a cup and a couple of years in Australia. And we are actively going to get behind that to get a cup to Australia. So I'm really looking forward to that. That's for me in terms of cops coming up getting the cop to Australia, the Pacific countries in Australia co hosting a cop potentially in Brisbane. I reckon that's a great way to get active and get meaningful action on climate when it's in your own country. I think that's going to be pretty good. And as Australia's still probably one of the worst fossil fuel exporters one of the worst scope three emitters probably second or third to Russia and Saudi Arabia. That is that is the number one priority. You know, imagine if we could use that cup to limit fossil fuel exports and and wretched back fossil fuel exports over the next 10 years that will be something meaningful for the world. It's pretty interesting, but can I play you a hello Darius wacky clip. I don't know if you found this yet. This is a climate related wacky clip. This is from liberal Senator Alex antic, who's asking a question of the Home Affairs boss, Mike Zullo, where the department's focus on climate change as a national security risk is parody accommodate this, this is really quite enjoyable from Alex antic,30:23  to Missoula. your opening statement here, which sort of front of me, you made mention of the fact that the department's work extends to dealing with the effects of climate change? Yes. And to better position Australia to deal with the increasing exposure and vulnerabilities into nationally significant crises, including those due to climate change with the greatest of respect, is it? Is that comedy parody? Or is that serious?I'm not are you referring to a question that you've asked me? I don't understand. Idon't know the suggestion that the Department of Home Affairs is somehow prioritizing. The issue of climate change is that I'm not sureif you've noticed, the increasing frequency and severity of weather events were responsible in supporting the Minister for emergency management happens to be at the table with policy and legislative advice. My colleague, the coordinator, General of NEMA that was questioned this morning then delivers programs I genuinely don't know how to respond to or other oddly put question, you asked me whether it's comedy, it's my job, but I don't really understand what you're asking.31:35  They're just amazing. It's like everyone's house is being destroyed. Not an issue of national security. Taking tweezers on an airplane very important issue of national security.31:46  Yeah, and the millions of people that are going to come to Australia after they become climate refugees, definitely not part of Home Affairs. No, no, no. This is a here's another great clip from that said it estimates as well. Senator antic again.32:01  Well, Mr. Padilla Is it safe then to say that the department has been captured by leftist ideology?32:11  I'm looking forward to hearing this answer.32:15  Yes, the Department of Homeland affairs is akin to the greens you might as well have Adam bet running the Home Affairs Department.32:21  Oh my goodness, that was them laughing not us. Like even they felt.32:26  That was that was my Palooza laughing at the dumb question.32:29  And before we go, that I think what's going to be the biggest issue of the year it's looking like inflation and interest rates. How do we how do we stop inflation from going out of control, any tips, any thoughts, any ideas,32:41  you need to speed up on the spending Dylan You need to spend more and one way you can spend more is going to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear and drop us $3 A month of your hard earned cash and we kick the show on the road or more.32:55  You can choose a higher amount you don't have to choose one of the tiers you can choose a higher amount yet.32:59  Yeah, that's right. I hear there's a there's a famous comedian in the US they have a Patreon they would say earn like $300,000 a year on oh sorry, $300,000 a month. And the top tier is called the Rothschild team. We don't have that. But you know, if you pay us $500 a month, we will come into a show live for you somewhere.33:21  All right. So just plug well. What's coming up with irrational fear in the near future. There's some we're going on tour. There's some great gigs coming up and what's the rest of the year look like as33:29  well. You can go catch us in Adelaide at the Adelaide Fringe Festival. And then you can catch us at Brisbane in queue pack for the World Science Festival. Dylan, we have got incredible guests at that festival, including yourself Louis harbor. Mel Buddle is doing that show also Mark Humphries and we have a very special scientist from NASA joining us her name is her name is Dr. Christiansen Dr. Jesse Christiansen and she worked on the JW S T. The James Webb Space Telescope and she currently is building a habitat for exoplanets. This is incredible data set where all the data for every exoplanet they discover goes into this huge database. And people can look it up and find exoplanets and learn more about them which is amazing. So it's it's incredible. We're going to talk to her about aliens, life forms, looking into deep space and working on database T and working at NASA. She's Australian, so it's very exciting to have her on the show. Oh yes. And then of course April 2, we've got the Melbourne International Comedy Festival that is a huge show with call that show. irrational fear has too many guests because it's a 60 minute show, and we have too many guests for 60 minutes. Everyone's going to be limited to about five minutes each. But we'll figure out how that goes as we go along. We've got Luis myself. Andy McClinton is DJ Viraj and is doing sketches we've also gotten that's what I recommend Gabby bolt and Alice phrase and also, Grace team is joining us again as well semi Shah. So another huge, huge show that shows already About 30% sold, so please get you tickets to that one that's gonna definitely sell35:03  out. And everyone stay subscribed because you'll have news faders on here monthly as well, including Big wrap of the New South Wales State election next month. Dan, thanks for having me on. As I'm having you on. Congratulations.35:19  As you say me podcaster you su casa. You've heard Sue podcast. Yeah.35:26  All right. Thanks, Dan. 35:28  Good to be with you. 35:31  Alrighty, that's news fighters for February 2023. Don't forget you can catch us every month here on the irrational fear podcast feed or watch us on YouTube at youtube.com/news fighters. Don't forget to hit subscribe and leave a comment or review. A big thank you to Dan Ilic for stopping by and also thanks to Tom Huaville for our sparkling new graphics. As always, these photos is written and produced and edited by me Dylan Bane for irrational fear. You can follow me on Twitter at dylabolical or email me Dylan at newsfighters.com. 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We talk about Clive Palmer’s failed mine bid.How to save Australia Post.New Zealand’s HUGE cocaine haul.EXTRA FEAR only on the Patreon & Apple Subscription — we talk Alan Tudge's resignation.🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOWS 0:00  This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. Good morning or good evening, Lewis.0:06  Hello. Yes, good, good. Whatever day off time time of day this finds you.0:12  It's a flat circle. No one, no one really has a good handle on time. Time is irrelevant. Now, there was an article in the BBC saying that time is a construct, we actually time doesn't actually exist, which I have to0:23  agree that in the BBC before that when you like, Oh, I thought God gave it to us.0:30  Other time was brought down by Neptune. Neptune gave us time. Big news, Louis. You You know this news, by the way. Oh, yeah. But you are a new dad. This is so exciting. Congratulations.0:43  Thank you. It's actually so rare that when you tell me that we have news that I actually am across a rare and precious fact. Yes. thrilled. I have a five week old daughter her name's olive. She's a really good baby, but pretty into her. And that's why I've been away for the law. I missed last week. I tried to join kinda, but it was a mess. It's also I genuinely have no idea what's happening. Like, whatever comes up today will be relatively new information.1:10  Great. It'd be fresh years and we really, yeah, well, it means also, the Patreon is more important than ever, because we've got more mouths to feed, we gotta feed olive. I don't give Lewis any of the Patreon money but the point is, you know, in principle, chipping, chipping, like Nick or rock voiceover actor who was in last week's episode, he just I wanted to give him money. He said, No, I'm gonna give you money and become a patreon supporter. Thank you, Nick. David Bluestein. Comedian and game developer also signed up for Patreon this week. Thank you, Dave Lewis, we've got some live shows so you can spend less time with your new family around the country. Adelaide is happening in four weeks Andrew Hanson, Gabby Bolte, Alice, Fraser Lewis and myself. Then we've got April 2 at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. Huge show. Gabby Alice Grace time Vidya Rajan. That's what I reckon Sammy Shah, and then Brisbane, coming up at the end of March with a huge show for World Science Festival. Mark Humphries. Mel bottle Mandy, darlin Lewis and myself. Also, Louis, we are talking with onstage live. Someone who is a Brisbane native Her name is Dr. Jesse Christianson sees the head of the NASA exoplanet library. And she works on the JW S T. She's probably one of the smartest people we've ever had on the show. So it's very excited. We have we've had some smart people on the show. You know, we've had that the Bondi hipsters. We've had Dr.2:30  Cow. I don't even understand what her job is what from what you've just told me like, well, it's an exoplanet. I guess we'll have to wait and see.2:37  We'll have to wait and see in Brisbane. So that's exciting. Anyway, join us in Brisbane at the end of March. It's going to be very exciting. I'm recording mine of irrational fear on Gadigal land in the urination. Sovereignty was never seated. When did a treaty Let's start the show.2:48  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks. Canberra, fed gum and section 40 of a rational view recommended listening by immature audiences.3:02  Tonight family reunions breakout across the world as Twitter outage causes people to put down their phones and pay attention to their loved ones for one hour and sports bit paid $9,000 for the communications minister on election Eve paid for dinner Minister Roland said it wasn't lobbying. It was just the same dinner multi and former Prime Minister Tony Abbott joins a climate sceptic Think Tank A sentence that makes more sense in the phrase former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. It's the ninth of February 2023. And this is the only media outlet that is not sued by Ben Robert Smith. This is irrational fear.Welcome to rational feet. I'm your host, former Green Senator Dan Ilic. And this is the podcast that takes the news and puts it into blender with some protein powder. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She's put on hold the money and the stability of being a lawyer for something much more exciting. Yes, she's a comedian Floyd Alexander. Hi and welcome to irrational fear.4:07  Thanks so much for having me back.4:09  Look, my pleasure look why why shouldn't comedy be the backup job here? Shouldn't you be you know, all gung ho for a for a proper career in law, that's where the money is a short4:18  I think it's that my parents were really it was it was like, when I said I was gonna do law, they were really disappointed in me. So I was like, I was very confused.4:31  And his career is long serving, but his hip is brand new. It's broadcaster podcaster and Rose distributor. Asha, Gunzburg. Asha. You've got a new haircut. Are you planning on any more upgrades in the future? No, I'm4:42  actually I might hit number. I've walked on hip number one and hit number five. There was yeah, it's been a long and winding journey but I'm finally here tonight. And I'm grateful that none of you got that guy Sebastian Australian Idol season one job but fine. That's it No, I'm not planning on any more upgrades.5:02  I was listening out for the words battle and scars Asha I couldn't hear battle and scars together in a sentence so totally love5:09  never get behind me at the airport. I will always, always be touched by security guy every time for the rest of my life.5:17  It feels like you've been a contestant on like the grandad bachelor where instead of giving metal hips5:24  pretty much I brought this great misconception, Louis as I never actually touched the roses. I just can't touch the5:35  drug deal. I like it. The development of drug dealer kingpin never touches the gear. He's the only broadcaster at Triple J who gets called Daddy, it's Louis harbour5:44  I did beforehand as well. So writing right on through5:49  coming up later, we are getting warmed up for the New South Wales state elections we're gonna be chatting with independent candidate for a while and really shy and the Southern Highlands Judy Hannon will ask her is the gumnut Bakery overrated. But first heard this message from this week's sponsor?6:04  Hi, Peter Dutton here, I'm calling on albeau to provide more information of the indigenous voice to Parliament, but not in the format of a 270 page report. That's too much information. And not in a format of a series of one on one consultations from constitutional experts and the Prime Minister himself. That information is to oral and as you know, I've heard of listening, which is why I refuse to hear members of my own party advocating for a yes position. You could try to make a pamphlet with pictures that move when you pull a little tab, but it'll go straight into the shredder. If a report, briefings, conventions, pamphlets, a decade of development, and even lobbying from my own party won't convince me Peter Dutton, maybe there's another reason that a former Queensland cop is against an indigenous voice to Parliament. I just can't put my finger on it. But if I did, I'd have to vocalise it, and then I'd have to sue myself for defamation. And maybe that's the only detail that's missing. elbow7:10  arthroscopy. Yeah, that that sketch was sent off to legal I don't know if it'll make it onto the internet as a whole, but I think it would be safe for the podcast,7:21  Lloyd legal7:25  aid as a lawyer here. So as a comedian, I say very funny.7:30  Dad as someone who the current live show I'm doing was based upon that history of being sued by people such as the one that was not in that sketch. They said, You need to read a disclaimer before you do your live show. I'm standing on stage like I'm saying grace before me or reading a disclaimer. But, Dan, I that is an amazing I love you.7:53  Alright, this week's first fear in a big win for the environment. Tanya Plibersek has killed off Clive Palmer's war retired coal mine saying that the earth can't sustain a coal mine and Clive Palmer at the same time. It's a win, but also not really a win. Yeah, since 2000 7000. projects were referred to the government under the Environmental Protection biodiversity act. Of those 7013 were refused in 20 years. Presumably, there are 6987 projects that were greenlit, it was said that the real reason that Clive Palmer's mine was refused was because it was the site was about 10 kilometres from the Great Barrier Reef not because Clive Palmer campaigned against the Labour government in the last three elections over the last decade. No, not that not that reason at all. So there are also 117 new fossil fuel projects on the table by companies who are probably aren't as annoying to labour as Clive Palmer, the real test will be will Labour prevent those projects from going ahead to save the planet or just let them slide because they didn't spend $140 million against them in the last election? fear mongers if you were Clive Palmer this week, what would you be doing to kind of save your karma? Well,9:01  I mean, first you take a breath or if you Clive, along, deep, shattering breath. And then I imagine he would go up to his little attic and get his big paws, grab a couple of little tweezers and start building his tiny little Titanic three that he hasn't started.9:21  I mean, it does make sense this guy who started like a dinosaur park, I mean, he all he wanted to do was dig up old dinosaurs and burn them and put them in the sky. This is this is that was the completion of his dream.9:32  It's a stunning turn of events. And I can only imagine that just packets of Tim Tams. Were just terrified at that moment that hit the news. Have you ever seen him do the Tim Tams? It's terrifying footage.9:44  I'm sorry you haven't explained? What do you mean? Do the Tim Tams.9:48  Floyd knows what I'm talking about. Go and enjoy. Your Google cookies will never be the same once you write Clive Palmer each packet of Tim Tams.9:57  Right does the Tim turn9:59  off his private jet and essentially it was amazing. I think it's like it's a it's a ballsy move. It's a ballsy move for a man that is, you know, prepared to put hundreds of millions of dollars on kind of like, I don't know, it's kind of Insell looking dudes standing at the side of the street holding big yellow signs for months, and to be shut down like that is pretty cool. Is it going to happen again? I'd like to hope so. Because you're going to have to back that up. You're gonna have to go well, you can't do it either. And neither neither can you. It's a monster move. I'd like to see it happen more and see some sort of, I don't know maybe Clive. Do you see the writing on the wall Clive to just get into some green energy they call it a battery factory there's money to be made buddy10:40  hate that is true.10:42  I feel like I can do it with other cases where it's like oh yeah, it's 2000 kilometres from Great Barrier Reef but that's still too close just anything it like in on the side of the world of Great Barrier Reef banking just use that as precedent10:55  I just say that the same atmosphere like the same exact the same atmosphere get like the the ocean leashes the same carbon out of the same atmosphere as matter where the fuck on the planet.11:06  A long game like obviously Clive with Titanic too, is that his big focus and the mining is really just a side operation. I've never put these things together. But is there a chance that he's mining is really a long game for Titanic too, because he thinks the only way I can make sure this ship doesn't sink. Icebergs left anyway.11:29  I say I see what you're going to. Like when the West Antarctic Ice Sheet finally collapses. maiden voyage, Jack and Rose. We're doing it again. But this time, it's11:43  we have to complete a series of tasks to weed roses affection. And if he does, yeah, guess who hands out the raw11:52  rational fear when the day comes that most surely will when Titanic to sales into New York, you'll be able to say that you are here.12:02  This week. Second fear Australia Post is set to declare its first loss since 2015. Yes, profit is down for the first six months by 88%. Australia Post says that let us continue to decline at an unstoppable rate. And the company said quote, they're at a crossroads and the headwinds they are facing have never been stronger. And because they were so confused by the crossroads and the headwinds, they've just left a card and returned back to the Depo. And I also say by the end of the decade, the average Australian household receives less than one letter a week fair Mungus How can we save Australia Post12:39  so they said by the by 2030 Australian households received one letter a week that's impressive given Australia's going to be underwater by that is actually an achievement. first idea is that they sell other people's mail, because like I don't want to open my own mail. I want to open other people's mail. And12:57  this is the new format. Asha is trying to develop a new a new TV format. Get rid of the news format. No one wants news, comedy Asha, we've tried here, what people want is what's inside this strangers letter.13:11  Reality show13:12  they could also just start renting out post offices. You know, Sydney rent is so high just start like renting out the offices, you13:19  can honestly rent out the postbox for like 500 a week at the moment, literally. What about if we start using the little motorbikes for like Uber as well? If you go, Hey, I really just need to go down the street. And they're like, Oh, great. That's where I'm going anyway. And then you hop on the back. They deliver a few letters on the way it's like Uber pool,13:35  why not? They have the infrastructure. They have the pipeline. They have the staff, they know how to give a smack out to an angry Labrador. They know what they're doing. Also, we can easily stop the flow of WR X's coming in and out of Western Sydney all the way into the eastern suburbs. I laid on a Friday night if you just had a couple of solid Koreas there, you've already got the drops on every street corner. It's like It's like Idris Elba was here. Very much. Like just kind of running on the wire. It's beautiful. I14:03  really liked you of getting to my house and seeing a bunch of cards saying we couldn't deliver your 600 grammes of cocaine. It's back at the Depo come down to the post office and pick it up.14:12  Suze? Oh, rational fear and of letter delivery could be closer than we think14:19  the future is at some stage there will be no mail when that is it's hard to predict. This week's third there the Kiwis have intercepted our cocaine Yes, the New Zealand Navy intercepted three tonnes of cocaine floating out in the Pacific destined for Australia. The whole of anyone Bales is worth $500 million. I'm lucky for some of them. They had four leaf clovers on them. Some of them aren't with the Batman symbol. There is so much Sasson snark. From the New Zealand police. I think they said the word blow three times in their press conference, which was very good. They also said that oh well. This is a 30 year supply for New Zealand but only a one year supply for Australia. Oh burn burn. Kiwis know how to party flow. These are your country people do Do they know how to party or are they just like are they pop in everybody else's party here? Um,15:04  I think they know how to party. I mean, they should do like Tom Hanks or something should try and like take credit for it and then New Zealand will be like it it is we do love it is15:15  it's just the hobbits sort of white ratio is quite small so they only need that gets them on the whole journey.15:24  Whoever's gear it was, they are they someone has done marketing at TAFE. Like St. Patrick's Day is less than six weeks away. They've got four leaf clovers on there, they are ready to party like you'll get maximum. But15:39  I think the true heroes every time there's a significant cocaine bust are people who leave comments on news articles like rip, I, there's a part of it. It's like good. Good for you like that is because you're immediately on a watch list. But you know, it's worth it for the Viet.16:00  If you remember the Patreon you're about to hit extra fear. That's one more story than usual. If not sign up to hear the story. We're going to be talking about Alan Tudge. If you're not a member of the Patreon, you're going to hear an ad. And when we come back, we're going to be talking with Judy Hannon, the independent candidate for Wollondilly Shire and southern highlands. Who's got some things to say about chlamydia free koalas, you know irrational for your listeners just popping in here to say yes, this is the the ad you've been promised. It's an ad for our sponsor, Australian ethical, who jumped on board to sponsor the next 10 weeks of the irrational fear podcasts, the strange, ethical, awesome, folks, they basically manage money ethically. So if you've got a whole stack of money, you need to do something with but you don't want to put it into things like weapons, human trafficking, fossil fuels, and you police academy film, they won't invest in the host. So invest in good things, things that are sustainable, and promote businesses that do incredible things in the environment, around health around equity. That's the kind of people you want looking after you money that is Australian, ethical, and they are the sponsor of irrational fear. We thank you Australian ethical hope to hope to17:12  work with you again, because you know, we like money, but they Australian ethical, according to their ads. They love money.17:22  Over the last 17 years, she served the woman really shy as a counsellor and mare. She's also the chair of the Australian optometry board and now she's hoping voters will have enough 2020 vision to put her in the running for a state seat at the New South Wales election. We're gonna flip open the Snellen chart and get her to read from the bottom layer. Please welcome to irrational fear, Judy Hannon. Welcome, Judy. Hi. Hi, everyone.17:44  Yeah, welcome. Welcome to the show. Did I say that right? Is it a Snellen? Chart? Is that what is that what people call it?17:50  Whatever. Six weeks or six? Five.17:53  That's it. That's it. Optometry. Now, Judy, it's really exciting to have you on the show. We're kind of getting into the into the New South Wales election mode, you're running as an independent, what do you think you can do as an independent that you can't do in a big party.18:07  So in a big party, out here, they do nothing. So anything I do will be better and an improvement. There's lots to be done out here. And I can certainly act with integrity, which is probably lacking in the parties. I don't have to worry about the parties. I can simply just work for our community out here. And certainly for our koalas as well. There's a18:28  there's an amazing book out at the moment, which I'm reading and rereading. It's by Rick Rubin, who produced it ran on chilli peppers in Adele and all kinds of things. He talks about people who come to a project without knowing all the rules sometimes get far further and get far more creative because they're not beholden to, you know what's coming before them. As Judy mentioned, not having to work with the major parties like being free of the solemnity that surrounds those pirate rooms. Oh, you can't say that. Because that's such and such as like, being able to speak your mind and these halls of power do you? Do you feel that that would be able to cut through even though those parties hold so much power?19:06  I reckon it will. I'm a bit of a burden. They can challenge the things like ride my, my tractors see if they can tractor ride faster than me all sorts of. So yes, I don't obey the rules politely. And yeah, get a lot of things done out here. It's it's a really interesting area, and we supply all your food. So it's important that I get the job done. Food19:30  security is massive. That's one of the big unspoken things around climate change. And your your Shire has been on fire and underwater quite a lot in the last couple of years. What kinds of things do you want to be able to do to to kind of help the people that live there in the face of these increasingly volatile situations?19:47  So you would have seen the pictures of black roofs with no trees, no backyards, simply big houses on little blocks of land that it just rolled out and they're just creating heat island To fix, and there's no infrastructure of any description at all. So there's a lot to be done out here. We've got the word gamba dam wall. And you would note that the government say they're going to raise the dam wall, it won't put one extra drop of drinking water into Sydney. But what it will do is destroying a whole lot of cultural indeed, indigenous artworks, and some really scarce birds.20:25  It's interesting, you kind of bring up a bunch of environmental stuff because the the New South Wales liberals are really good at painting themselves as quite progressive on net zero targets and carbon emissions and the environment. Is that a scam? Or is or is that? Or do they have some value in that in that regard?20:45  Is there an election coming?20:49  We all saw the police randomly decide to do something last week.20:52  Climate change, you know, because there's an election coming, it's becoming popular, unfortunately, their actions out here and not proving that you know that they're doing anything substantial. And just letting developers run rampant across our whole area that supplies the food for Sydney, they might speak the speak but there's no action in there at all.21:12  One of the extraordinary things that I saw driving down Picton road about a month ago was just the incredible amount of development that is happening. It's like huge swathes of land which probably would have been farmland or or something. But like completely levelled out, flattened. And then the next minute you are driving past all those black rooms. And it feels like those houses that you drive past are so big for the locks they're on. They're so close together, that it's not it's not a pleasant place to live. And it seems that there's there's not real much thought other than maximum house for block out as an independent. And can you kind of stop this this huge overdevelopment?21:53  Look, we need to look at the planning laws. I don't think anybody can agree that planning laws in New South Wales are good. We need to have enough people in there to change the way it's done. All the people that are planners actually say that the planning is bad. But none of them can break away from the actual, you know, their catalogue of Ticketek there. But we need to revisit that and do planning in a whole different way in a sustainable way. Where people have backyards, they can have trees, where aged care is next to preschools, all those things that we know will bring good community values. So there's so much that can be done. And I'd like to get enough people in there that we can change the planning laws22:39  your electorate as part of one of the unfortunately and tragically horrifically lost kind of habitats of the koala. What can you do to protect this thing that we as Australians take for granted as a national identity yet? Clearly, like? I think I was just reading the other day that entire swathes of the southwest of New South Wales. No, quality's gone. All gone. All gone. Yeah,23:01  it's so weird. Like I've never ever seen a koala in the natural habitat around Sydney, and I've lived here for 40 years.23:07  So the koalas in our area are the only chlamydia free koalas in New South Wales. The area they live in is literally having 30,000 houses planted upon it. And the koalas unfortunately, can't read a map because they've been given corridors to go along. I thought they might give them all little apps on a phone. I can turn right here, turn left here. And the problem is if they forced them across onto the stand stone area that's beyond that, they will literally starve. And they will be much more susceptible to disease. So it's really quite sad. And I'd love to see if I got elected to Parliament in the 25th of March. I'd actually love to say a committee formed for flora and fauna of New South Wales.23:58  Oh, great. Oh, this is really interesting, Judy, and I don't get me wrong. I'm like, I am a very passionate person when it comes to protecting the environment. And people want to live somewhere. What is the solution here? What's the solution? There's 30,000 houses what this list says 100,000 people, where do they live?24:16  So there is other land and there's a lot of infill that can be done. Unfortunately, what's happening is we're having developers buy what you would have seen a couple of weeks ago, we had money launderers by 390 hectares, I believe in corridor, but literally, the developers are buying up our farmland, and they are just wiping it out. They're not cutting down selective trees or anything like that. They're Moon scaping, the whole area. So there is no ability for any flora or fauna to live with these people. And yes, we've got to have houses but we've got to have houses that are affordable to live in, as well as affordable to buy. So the houses that day So all the land that he saw, there is no public transport. There isn't even a plan for water or sewer there. Mind you, I did see that they are talking about selling off Sydney Water. We're going to put people there that can't get to work. Unless they travel for hours on the roads that are already clogged up. And you shouldn't you shouldn't stop me on it. But like Alan Jones had a shot at me he I mean, he had a shot about the fact I was stopping his mates, you know, do development, the actual one that you saw Dan, probably. And I said, send a message back. Fine, come and meet me there but come by public transport, because there isn't any. And yet we're putting 1000s of people there. Yeah. And like the the Netherlands do it so much better. Overseas, they have bikes to railway stations and all sorts of magical things. And here we just crowding as many black rooms and make as much money as we can for developers.26:01  I can't believe due to that you are suggesting that selective high density areas linked together by bicycle paths and high speed rail. What do you want this country to be?26:11  I thought you were gonna say I can't believe you suggested Elton John's take public transport.26:18  Sometimes he lets people share his helicopter with it.26:23  But you know, it's just terrible. And the trouble is, once I work the koalas out, we can't fix it later. They'll be gone,26:29  Judy. Good luck next month, Sam we'll be we'll be seeing how you travel. And we are at the end of the show. So thanks to all of our guests. Floyd Alexander hunt, Asha Gunzburg God Hanim Louis harbour whatever. You guys got to plug this out with you, Judy. What would you like to plug?26:46  Ah, certainly the cake shop you talked about down in barrel. It is the best. They have a queue that goes down the street for a mile waiting for cakes, especially on a Saturday.26:58  That's the gum that bakery in Main Street about Yeah. i Yeah, I'm a big fan of the the industrial state version in Mittagong. Where they where they bake all the cakes because it's much shorter queues. Yep, that's my that's my hot tip. Louis, what do you wanna plug27:12  down? We have some live shows in March and April. The dates of which aren't relevant. What does matter? That you buy tickets in a 1027:21  March for in Adelaide, April 2 in Melbourne, march 26 in Brisbane, come along, Floyd Alexander hunt, would you like to27:29  play okay most important thing I got a plug as next weekend I'm getting married. Just follow me on Instagram and like my photo that will be amazing.27:40  I should Gunzburg What are you plugging?27:42  I'd like to plug Dan Ilic live on stage with me Friday the 10th of February at Factory Theatre in America till 7pm for NT n n n and n real stories fake news. I've always wanted to do a fake news show because I saw Dan do on once. No one No network gave me one so I made one up and it's frickin fun. It's super amazing. Early doors seven o'clock. Come along also Melbourne, Melbourne International Comedy Festival from 30 to march.28:04  Yes and a big thank you to all of our supporters on Patreon Also, thanks to roadmaps, Australian ethical. Big thanks to Jacob brown on the Tepanyaki timeline for all of his amazing work and we will see you next time. See you then. ByeTranscribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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When will this Brickman ship and it's the second of February 2023 This is irrational fear.Hello, welcome to rational fee. I'm your host former quarterback of the New England Patriots Dan Ilic Chen This is the podcast that takes the saddest headlines and eats them for breakfast. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. Our first fear monger is an omnipresent media maven, Author Activist Changemaker one of AFRs 100 Women of Influence. It's Antoinette Latif, welcome Antoinette.Antoinette Lattouf  3:14  Thank you so much for having me. I look forward to like think like scaring the shit out of everybody.Dan Ilic  3:22  I mean 100 100 Women of Influence What do you do to get on that list?Antoinette Lattouf  3:26  I look you as a man and you'd never understand. But the interesting thing is I can get on AFS 100 Women of Influence, but I can't influence my child to brush her teeth.Dan Ilic  3:41  And she's a Gen Zed media mogul. And when she's not, you know, pushing words into her manuscript for her new book, she's pushing as many hot takes on the internet as a team of 1000 monkeys. It's the founder and CEO of cheek media Hannah Ferguson Hannah Welcome to irrational fears havingHannah Ferguson  3:57  me that's in my mother's never said that many nice things about me in a row so it's very beautiful damn thingDan Ilic  4:02  what Hannah I used to consider myself prolific but you know watching you operate on the internet all day. I think I'm lazy. How do you keep up such a relentless hot take machine as checkmate?Hannah Ferguson  4:13  I've never considered them heartaches I've definitely consider them more of like a Pizza Hut buffet. We're getting very average and a lot of it. Like, let's just keep it pumping.Dan Ilic  4:23  And he's not here. Here's the Tom Brady of us broadcasting. It's Louis harbour he, he wished he could be here, but he's gonna put the baby to bed coming up later. We speak with the Minister for department infrastructure transport, regional development, communications and the arts. Yes, Tony Burke is joining us. We'll be talking about revive the 10 year arts roadmap, and we'll be auditioning for Poet Laureate. But first, a message from this week's sponsor.Unknown Speaker  4:44  Hey, is your bank balance to full Do you have a large amount of cash required through organised crime will come on down to your local clubs New South Wales club and will lighten the load with our state of the art poker machine. We will take your pension and triple it if you're lucky. And if it doesn't work, just Try again in a fortnight maybe you've got a suitcase of cash from the proceeds of pharmaceutical distribution needs a tax free origin story. Well, from now until March 26, you can put it all through one of our 9500 poker machines. That's more than Las Vegas, baby. And when you cash out, we won't ask any questions. Don't worry, no one asks any questions of us. And if they do, we'll find in Nazi photos. Everyone's got a Nazi photo. Come on down to your local clubs, New South Wales club. Everyone's welcome. Even CatholicsUnknown Speaker  5:30  don't have I don't have any picture. I'm not aware of that.Dan Ilic  5:36  Firstly, this year, how do you lose $70 billion overnight through hard work and determination or if you're an activist investor, Gautam Adani, as India's richest man at the start of the year was the third richest person in the world. But he's dropped out of the top 10 richest people list because it's claimed is a little bit dodgy. Yes, a short selling firm delightfully named get this Hindenburg published an investigation accusing Adani of stock manipulation, account fraud and money laundering. Now, one of the allegations I don't know if you read this one of the allegations is that the Adani private family trust charged the Adani public company $100 million in licencing fees to use the North Queensland export terminal, which they own. That's really that's a big skim, that's a big family skim right there. They it also pointed to how other family companies covered the loss in value of other assets like the Carmichael coal mine and train line so the public company wouldn't look bad like he'd have lost the money. Allegedly. All of this is allegedly I should point out a Danny kind of hit back with a 413 page report which no one is going to read as Peter Dutton you know, knows as soon as the report comes out there were like hundreds of these weird pro Adani tweets that hit Twitter. I don't know if you saw this. Yeah, they all had like similar contexts, but some had just that the same typo. Hundreds of tweets that are like kind of backing Adani, but they all spelt nation wrong. That botAntoinette Lattouf  6:59  needs Grammarly. Yeah, it really does.Dan Ilic  7:04  And like he's another one which is heads the heads like full sentences which are kind of copied and pasted the word allegations is spelt allegations, which I love. Just goes to show if you're an Indian company and you're outsourcing your tweets to Australia, you shouldn't be doing that we are terrible with with with language. Have you guys ever lost $70 billion in one day? No,Hannah Ferguson  7:23  I actually check my account before buying my own mocker in the morning. So I think I would notice if the books are changing that drastically. But yes, no, I haven't personally internet.Dan Ilic  7:33  I love these allegations because Adani of course is one of the hugest exporters and extractors of fossil fuels around the world. And so if they go down, that's great for everybody, pretty much. It's great news for everyone. How would you react if you were like the offspring of a billionaire and your parent dropped off the top 10? Would that be embarrassing?Antoinette Lattouf  7:52  It's probably grounds to never speak to them again. I think it'd be reasonableUnknown Speaker  7:57  and rational fear.Unknown Speaker  7:59  Not only will the investment community in India, but also around the world but most likely here in Australia. We'll be looking at the financial veracity of Adani in the wake of these clients a rationalDan Ilic  8:11  alright, this week second fear the a triple seat, Australia's favourite cops have got influences in their sights from now on. If you're carrying a camera or a bang energy drink, you have to have a permit otherwise you could get a fine for making an undeclared post. The a triple C won't have anything of it not at all. All sponsored posts must be declared. In fact, the a triple C chair Gina Cass Gottlieb said, people are looking at it thinking that they have the integrity of just an ordinary persons recommendation. Yes, an ordinary person with ABS lip filler full hair, and insatiable appetite for sharing videos of them doing back squats. Then when they tell you to buy a koala mattress you do just the ordinary person like that people could be confused, especially if they don't see ordinary people like me and I live in Bondi, Hannah you're one of the most powerful influences in the in the news and Australian politics space. Do you have sponsored posts?Hannah Ferguson  9:01  I honestly have no idea how these come in. No one has ever offered me anything really? And honestly like I'm just confused by why these influences why people can be duped by influencers who think the most interesting thing is talking about laxity of tastes like do you not realise these people are getting paid to make you shoot yourself to death like why is that surprising? But no i i Do not struggle with this. I wish more people approached me frankly.Antoinette Lattouf  9:25  I have I have something to disclose guys. I am an influencer. However, I would say Oh, it wasn't the ASR. 100 Women of Influence thing that kind of because after I was like listed, I was like, Okay, where are all of my teeth whitening deals Where's My Car? However, recently, I became an influencer. And so the people that I do sometimes accept money from like museums. I go to galleries and exhibitions and and I talk about public archives, like really sexy stuff like that. But I do disclose it. So I'm an influencer who doesn't have like really white teeth because nobody has come forward and sponsored me for I talk about museums but I you know, I do I do disclose if I'm an ethical influencerDan Ilic  10:16  Oh yeah. So wait we are were ethical here too.Antoinette Lattouf  10:20  But you know what I do think the penitent penalty here because they're talking about penalties and cracking down on influencers who don't disclose that they actually pay I think the best kind of penalty would be to force them to make an NRL style apology but to be told that like no filters are allowed in your video apologyDan Ilic  10:52  Love is the HR was a reached out to his followers on Facebook encouraging them to delve in influencers who are doing the wrong thing and they said they got 1000s of responses. I'm like, first of all, what kind of narc is following the a triple C on Facebook?Antoinette Lattouf  11:05  Yeah, definitely a boomer it's differently someone's because nobody else is on Facebook. The other thing is RF in the a triple C can bet and find these influences themselves. All you need to do is put like search the terms heaps of people have been asking about my car like nobody fucking no one's supposed to be careful.Hannah Ferguson  11:31  They just need to go have the Instagram bio like I'm an empath or treat people with kindness and fucking bang they've got them going on about this like idea of its being particularly looking at micro influencers influencers or having like a more legitimate relationship with their audience. I'm like, Are you going off to like my grandma's 18 Facebook friends sharing one black one prayer posts like is that the accountability you're looking for? Who are you investigating with like 1000 followers?Antoinette Lattouf  11:56  I reckon they should just investigate every every former bachelorette bachelor Married at First Sight. Get rid ofDan Ilic  12:07  it. You know, of course people go on those shows just to boost their Instagram followers so they can have a career after the show. Looking toHannah Ferguson  12:16  love genuinely, with the guy that's never treated a woman right ever. That's crazy stuff.Tony Burke MP  12:23  This is rad, rational fear. There's a history to this where the monarchs been on the lowest denominator. denomination. We should be proud of it incredibly proud of our British heritage. It's the underpinning of societies we not we shouldn't try and rewrite history.Dan Ilic  12:43  This week's third the cabanas cabana is everywhere but not a place to walk. The eastern suburbs have been invaded by people from far away as far away as five dark coming to Bondi and putting up their tents, putting in their tents and taking up all the space on the beach where no one can walk and get to the water. Ah, Antoinette Latif, you are so pro cabana decided to get paid by the nine media machine to write about it. Now tell us why are you pro cabana? And why am I wrong for being anti cabana?Antoinette Lattouf  13:17  This segment has not been sponsored by core cabanas. I do not receive beach paraphernalia. I am open to it but I have not previously received any. But this is the great summer debates bizarreDan Ilic  13:27  they did is a bizarre that didn't reach out to you after your article to offer you one for free. Now theyAntoinette Lattouf  13:31  haven't. Like I'm doing something wrong. I gotta get on a dating show and sort that out. Anyway, this is one of the great summer of 2023 and if you use a cabana at the beach, are you an inconsiderate asshole? My answer is no. You've just heeded the warnings of public health campaigners for three decades you're getting out of the sun. And I know Dan, you have a different view to me on this but there's two things I want to put it out there. There's two things that aggravate me most about people and that's those who disagree with me and those who live in a nicer suburb than I do and you are both those things thenDan Ilic  14:08  I live in a nicer suburb Sure sure. outside my apartment is great but my apartment is a shoebox with fungus growing through the roof. It is it is the end of the best part about it is is the beach is the beach you know I drive home to spend three hours looking for a car park spot just so I can park my car near my house like the there are downsides to livingHannah Ferguson  14:29  to take out a mortgage to go to the beach for three hours in that area. I've only discovered moving to Sydney it's awful. It's so much linen I'm terrified.Dan Ilic  14:38  The cabanas on a busy day they're just they're awful but you know on an easy day we're not we're not many people are are there at the beach. It's totally fine but on a Saturday or a Sunday when it's 30 degrees and they're back to back. It just makes the beach impossible to navigate and when they put up like at nine o'clock in the morning. Not only do they take up the space of where the physical cabana is but they Take up wherever the shade lands. So throughout the day the shade moves, and the space of the cabana user actually takes up three cabanas across the day like the space use for one person under a cabana is absolutely disproportionate to the space needed. Selling a beach umbrella could do quite easily and not take up the same amount of space. Sorry, Hannah,Antoinette Lattouf  15:23  I think you need to probably weigh in here because Dan and I don't see eye to eye on this Vamana slick slop, but mainly slap him out of it.Hannah Ferguson  15:31  Brilliant. Oh, my God, someone should be paying you.Antoinette Lattouf  15:35  I mean, I think it's not been welcoming sunscreen sponsors. Anybody in the home and I'm happy.Hannah Ferguson  15:40  The TGA is not welcoming. You are welcoming.Antoinette Lattouf  15:46  Yeah, so where do you sit on this hand? I'm like, are we just being smart or being inconsiderate? And taking up too much space?Hannah Ferguson  15:51  I failed you Tenma so don't know how to weigh in on the whole geographic area of the shade thing? I think Sun safety's big thing for my generation. Not so much Danza. Yes, Dan, you're much older than me. But I also think maybe you just hate stripes. And you're a bit of an eastern suburbs elitist? What's going on here? Do you think it could be something else? Hiding behind this argument about a shave? I think I think overall good thing I think positive love the article.Dan Ilic  16:16  Right? Right. You you actually think the stripes are the problem. I have a problem with stripes. And what I wished for those cabanas is white linen. You're probably right. If they were white linen, maybe we'd let them slide.Unknown Speaker  16:26  So Sue's rational fear.Unknown Speaker  16:29  But there's one thing all cuckoo banners have in common. They're just about everywhere. 1000s of coca banners all the way online locals have posted cabanas our visual pollution.Dan Ilic  16:42  Hello, they're just popping into this pile of podcasters say that we are once again sponsored by Australian ethical, we don't want the a triple se to come and crack down on us. So I just want to make make sure everybody knows that. This part here is a sponsorship announcement for Australia ethical. So if you're listening from the a triple C, please don't arrest me. They put me in handcuffs. We're doing this ethically. This is the sponsorship announcement. Australian ethical, had been looking after us over the last Well, last year they did for 10 weeks. And now they're jumping on board for another 10. So it's very exciting to have them help us out. When it comes to investing ethically Australian ethical are the way to go if you want your money or your super to invest in things like renewable energy, clean tech health education, swap to Australian ethical, simple as that. All right back to the podcast. Well, he's a renowned musician, arts lover. And we are very excited to be joined by the Minister for the Department of Infrastructure transport, regional development, communications and arts. Yes, that is more ministers ships. Then Scott Morrison, welcome Tony Burke, hey, when you're in the opposition, you know, for the last decade or so did you ever think you'd ever become the Minister for the Department of Infrastructure transport, regional development, communications and the arts?Tony Burke MP  17:54  I'm only the last fit. I'm only the upstream. So I've got that the rest of my work in a different department, the Employment and Workplace Relations stuff. So but yeah, when I first got sworn in, and up until then, we'd had years where the word arts wasn't anywhere. So I was just glad to find it on a wall.Dan Ilic  18:16  On the podcast today, also, we've got Antoinette Latif and Hannah Ferguson. I don't know if you've met them or seeing them online. They're extraordinary people. So they're going to be chiming in with questions for you as well.Tony Burke MP  18:26  And I brought my prop, whatDan Ilic  18:28  was your prop? What prompted you bring, Ah, excellent, the revised document they revised,Tony Burke MP  18:33  every politician needs a prop. It's one of the things we do and I couldn't find a hat.Dan Ilic  18:37  Tony, the only prop that matters to me is a gigantic check made out to a rational fear. So I'm very excited you're you're the administer thatTony Burke MP  18:47  I'm working on the basis that everything we have announced is going to youDan Ilic  18:51  so yes, the Revive policy was really exciting moment this week for people had reading kind of set every every kind of artists eyes, alight everyone was awake to it was very exciting. Could you could you tell us for you why this was personally important to you to kind of watch this now?Tony Burke MP  19:07  Yeah. So when I was lost arts minister, like Simon crean had announced a cultural policy. And two days later, there was a big blow up, and Simon was no longer a minister. So my whole role was to be implementing the cultural policy. And then after six months, we were gone. And it was replaced with nothing. Like I thought maybe Tony Abbott might replace it with something more conservative or something like that, but it was actually replaced with nothing. And so in the whole time in opposition, I just kept sort of imagining Monday, I guess, which was the time when we would have a cultural policy. Again, we'd bring it up to date. And we'd actually because the cultural policy, the concept of it, is it's you're establishing that culture matters to government and matters to the country. And so the language of it is, you know, while people go to show me The dollars and the dollars matter. But the fact that you're making that statement affects how government does stuff. But there were times during the pandemic, where I made passionate speeches saying artists are also workers that it had never occurred to me that I'd have to make speeches like that. Like, it's a bit of an obvious thing. And so for me, it was really important just to get to that moment, again, where you had the formality of a government saying, this really matters. And for those six years, I never knew what was going to be in it. I didn't know where the consultation would take us. And it took us in places I hadn't expected. But it was that fact of having the pm stand up. And actually just simply talk about, this is about the nation. So this really matters. Yeah, for me that march that finally the formality of the end of the culture was coming from government.Dan Ilic  20:55  Do you really think that's the end of culture wars from government? Well, government, yes. ButTony Burke MP  21:00  being backed up by the megaphone of government manage it that is like, you know, I campaigned for there to be a wage subsidy. And I was really glad when Job Cooper happened. But if you wanted to design one to exclude as many arts workers as possible, it's exactly what they do.Antoinette Lattouf  21:14  Minister, I know you've talked a lot about people suffering during the pandemic, those in the arts, and I wonder, behind the word revive, was it about reviving those careers? But what about careers like dance, which which tanked? Well before theTony Burke MP  21:32  Yeah, look, I if you look at a whole lot of speeches I've given and Dan sort of feeling dog whistle to all the time. I've often said, we were we were vulnerable before the pandemic. And I guess that vulnerability encouraged me to come on tonight.Dan Ilic  21:50  Thank you, this is this is a pity interview. I really appreciate that. You open the door. Let's talk about let's talk about minimum wage fraud. Is that something you you have been talking a little bit about in kind of Sly language that was kind of missing largely from this package? It was, you know, you did kind of say that will be mandated by the government that government would pay a minimum wage to artists working for the government. But what about the the business population generally? Or in general? Is there some kind of minimum wage set coming down the line? Or is there an experiment or conversations you're, you're having that are kind of kind of early days,Tony Burke MP  22:30  we've taken steps towards it, I just in seven months of consultation, I, I didn't want to find that I inadvertently blown something up that mattered on the way through because we went about it the wrong way. So there's sort of the steps we've taken as of Monday. First of all, government's guaranteeing minimum rates and anything that we contract. Secondly, in the review of awards that I announced last year, as part of the Workplace Relations reforms, when secure jobs better pay went through and we had a negotiation with David pokok. I've now said specifically, looking at the work of artists has to be included in that review of awards. And that's particularly important for visual artists, because they've been really held back there. But then the other thing structurally that we've established as a centre for arts and entertainment workplace, it's so a centre within creative Australia, where it'll be half workers, half employers effectively, and it's part of its job will be to start to come up with what should be some minimum rates. And so the next step after saying government or pilot, is to say, once we get those minimum rates, if you want to come knocking on the door, to get a government grant, you need to be delivering on these minimum standards. And so that's sort of the next step of dealing with it.Dan Ilic  23:52  Oh, you know, we're lucky enough to have a Patreon so we can pay our comedy guests a small honorarium. We don't ask people to come on for exposure, because quite frankly, we don't have that many listeners. So it's pretty, you know, it's a bit of a raw deal for anyone that comes on. So yeah. Well, that's exciting to hear. That's exciting to hear. I want to talk a little bit about quotas. That was the other thing that kind of as a TV maker that made me excited 20% of revenue from streams to be invested into local production. When you've got kind of players like Netflix, who kind of obfuscate the numbers, you know, they do the old double dutch sandwich with an Irish twist, they licenced the trademarks. They kind of kind of deflate their own real revenue to kind of lower their tax bill, do you think that that metric is going to work to to get more local production on screen?Tony Burke MP  24:37  So this is where the screen Producers Association and there's a campaign called make an Australian and it's aiming for 20%? We haven't signed up to the 20% yet, we've signed up to the deadline. So this six months is consultation. next six months legislation. first of July next year, the Australian the requirements for Australian content will have start are the things that we've got to work through because they all affect. So if you lay under 20%, or you scale up to it over a few years, you then also have to work out three other areas. First, is it new content only, or can old content before to, to get there? You got,Dan Ilic  25:18  of course, Amazon, Amazon just bought their neighbours. And that was largely seen as a way to kind of bolster the bolster the fight against content, local content, are we going to see a Toady? Spin Off on neighbours?Tony Burke MP  25:31  Exotic? Yeah, this is the risk of Skippy taking over everyone's screaming to get getting whatever you can. So we've got to make the decision on whether there's whether things that are old counted all or whether it's only new, we've then also got to decide how Australian does it have to be. So some of the streams have come out saying we're already doing 20%. And they're counting every Marvel film that's been filmed here, which often, let alone this country. And then the third thing we've got to work out is what we do for sub quotas. So whether we have a sub quota for children's content, scripted drama documentary, how we deal with that. So all of that affects what the final percentage means. We haven't given ourselves long. And I I'm sure for the streamers and everyone else are setting the deadlines has focused the mind,Dan Ilic  26:20  will it be a percentage? Or will it be our hourly kind of content kind of metric? Yeah, you can'tTony Burke MP  26:26  do it the way you do free to air so free to air because you know what time things are going to be broadcast, you can set an hour by hour metric. But ultimately, with streaming, the consumer decides what they're going to watch. Although there's issues of menus, where Netflix or whoever make decisions about what they choose to prioritise in their algorithm. So I haven't found a method other than a percentage of expenditure or revenue that actually works. I think expenditure percentage of revenue is probably the only way you can deal with a streaming service, but you can't do it. The way that you deal with free to air TVAntoinette Lattouf  27:05  doesn't run the risk of production companies and streamers looking elsewhere to make content thinking, well, Australia is a small market, we don't have to, we don't have to play fair game here. We'll just we'll go to New Zealand, or we'll go elsewhere, does it? Are you do you have any of those concerns?Tony Burke MP  27:22  I really don't, because they're making a heap of money here. So whatever, wherever the quote is that they'll still make money and a whole lot of the Australian content they won't only show here, they will make money out of it around the around the world as well. Other countries, Europe's it within Europe, there are quotas, France, Italy, there, there are other countries that have quotas. I'm confident that it's not going to cause them to walk, because why would you walk from a place where you're making money? If the rule is simply you've got to make more content from a country that produces really good content?Dan Ilic  27:54  We are good content producers here at irrational.Tony Burke MP  27:57  And we that was another dog whistle to your dance.Dan Ilic  28:00  Well, this is the I look, I know, I know. You're currently auditioning for Poet Laureate of Australia, and it's really exciting. And Antoinette and Hannah and I have kind of, you know, we've we've shaped our little poem for you each to see you know what you think maybe we could be in the running to be Poet Laureate. Where are you happy to listen to these poems, Tony,Tony Burke MP  28:19  do what do I get rhyming couplets on the way through?Dan Ilic  28:23  You're gonna have someone have rhyming triplets who's to know I mean, how do you want to go first? I'mHannah Ferguson  28:29  ready. Thank you Dan. I'm ready to win whatever I'm already placing myself there Dan is a firm third so I'm ready. Okay. The death of the Queen has flipped the lid on many secrets the monarchy hid. Our currency not featuring the king has really upset the right wing more than Prince Andrew ever did.Dan Ilic  28:52  Tony, keep in mind, culture wars are dead from government. What do you do?Tony Burke MP  28:56  I reckon the national poet laureate could reignite all of them.Dan Ilic  29:05  On that wasn't a great today Peter Dutton saying that say the Prince Charles, not on the $5 note is it is a direct attack on society. This comes from a government that created Robo debt who did an actual direct attack on society?Antoinette Lattouf  29:18  Dag, you've just, you've just provided the perfect segue because my Limerick is about done.Dan Ilic  29:25  Oh, let's do it. I haveAntoinette Lattouf  29:27  you already when? I want to show you how to play dirty in a lab for Dutton. They once was a lad from Australia. He said let's maintain violent colonial regalia. He was extremely hot, and not very Luddite, which will ensure his continual destructive thing.Dan Ilic  29:47  Oh, oh, that's really good. I don't think mine can beat that structure. Yeah,Hannah Ferguson  29:54  that's a big word.Antoinette Lattouf  29:57  I should just wait for that.Hannah Ferguson  29:58  I was good once yellow Well, that's incredible.Dan Ilic  30:02  Mine's a little bit more suburban a bit more grassroots. Let me give it a go. There was movement at the station for the word pass around that the 3:25pm was cancelled. The Bankstown line was down. They all mustered on the platform frustration in their veins having already tapped on they brace for the worst over the speaker came, buses will replace trainsHannah Ferguson  30:27  was all in the voice Damn, that was 35% great voice.Dan Ilic  30:31  Well, you know the poet laureates got to perform to write. Tony What do you think?Tony Burke MP  30:36  I think Antoinette's poems get the one that keeps me in a jobDan Ilic  30:41  well, that is it for rational fear. Big thanks to antenatal tooth Hannah Ferguson, the Minister for arts Tony Burke. Let's get our plugs underway. Tony What would you like to plug? They'd revive Very good. He's holding up the for the people who aren't listening who aren't watching the podcast. He's holding up the policy documents videoThank you, Tony Antoinette. Where would you like to plugAntoinette Lattouf  31:06  I would like to plug my book How to lose friends and influence white people. It is published by Penguin also, I'd like to point the fact that I have lost a few friends so there are some vacancies for anybody who'sDan Ilic  31:21  Anna Ferguson, what would you like to plugHannah Ferguson  31:23  I'd like to plug take medias Instagram Chief media.co I had to add the.in Because when it was just take media co people and for me they were reading it is taking medical and thought I was a medical student and I was veryso I had to mix things up.Dan Ilic  31:36  Louis harbour regrets staying in an Airbnb with bad internet. He would like to plug our live shows we're going to Melbourne Adelaide Brisbane, Adelaide Fringe Festival Melbourne Comedy Festival Brisbane World Science Week tickets are irrational fear.com or comedy.com Dota you come along we'd love to see you big thanks to Jake roundup and Tepanyaki timeline Nico rock for his voice over today rode mics Australian ethical our Patreon supporters and everyone who listens Thank youTranscribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/👕 BUY OUR MERCH HERE 🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR ADELAIDE FRINGE SHOWHappy new fear!Currently I’m on holidays in the south coast of NSW. Yesterday I found myself sitting in a local cafe with my laptop going through the year of sketches, and my favourite bits.Suffice to say regional cafes are not used to award winning podcasters sitting in the corner laughing to themselves and maniacally writing jokes. Before they called the cops, I pulled together about an hour of some of the best bits of A Rational Fear for the year.Some of which has previously only been avaliable behind the paywall on Patreon.And despite how many people quit the Patreon based on the fact that "Alan Jones" was hosting the end of year special... I decided to invite him to do it again.He's back by un-popular demand.By doing our podcast he literally gets 100 x the audience of his YouTube show, but at this time of year it's important to be in a giving spirit, even to your enemies.Big thank you this episode go to my in-laws, whose spare bedroom I recorded this podcast in. They too are not Alan Jones fans, but were quite obliging to allow him to seep through into the living space for 20 minutes.It’s been another big year for us on A Rational Fear. We did live shows around the country, played the Sydney Opera House, won Best Comedy at the Australian Podcast Awards (again), we put out 2 new series; Julia Zemiro Asks Who Cares, and Jan Fran Has Issues, as well as a limited election column by Kara Schlegl who now has her own brilliant substack you can subscribe too.And we couldn’t have done it without the help of our listeners who support us on Patreon, on Apple Subscriptions or who pay for this otherwise free newsletter on Substack. The thing about podcasting is the more popular you get, the more you pay in bandwidth and hosting. We also are one of the very few podcasts, or shows of any kind for that matter that actually pay our comedy guests. This is really important to us. It’s cool we can do that, and we can because of Patreon, every little bit helps.Come see us live next year:Adelaide — March 4th — Garden of Unearthly DelightsBrisbane — March 26th — World Science FestivalMelbourne — April 2nd — Capitol TheatreAnd also in 2023 — we will hit 1,000,000 downloads.I know! 1,000,000!If I had a dollar for every time someone downloaded our show, I’d have enough money to buy a mouldy 1 bedroom deathtrap in Sydney with an outdoor toilet. We’ll do something special for it, we may need your help for suggestions.Thanks for listening this year, we love making this show. It makes us feel better about the world.I hope it does the same for you.CheersDan IlicChefJerry’s Pizza, Romania   🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical.0:03  This episode of irrational fear was recorded on the land of the Darrel wall people. Sovereignty was never ceded. The first step to treaty is the voice. Let's start the show.0:12  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra, fed GM and section 40. Have a rational view recommended listening by immature audiences. Hey, a0:25  rational fear fear mongers Welcome to a rational year. This is where we rip through the highlights of the year in one little podcast so you don't have to spend more than you know about an hour or so listening to us but if you can, and you want to in person, we are going to be performing live for you around Australia very soon. We are going to be at the Adelaide Fringe Festival march for Brisbane at the World Science Festival March 26. And we are going to be at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival April 2. In fact, our Melbourne lineup is so big. In fact, we've called the show irrational fear has too many guests for a one hour festival show spectacular it is going to be a lot of fun, and I can't wait to do it. So join us then in Adelaide, Melbourne and Brisbane in the first half of the year. But right now, I'm going to be handed the mic over to a good friend of mine, Alan Jones. Alan,1:19  welcome to rational fear. Good morning, dad. Do you know who else has too many guests? No Christmas dinner and Scott Morrison said.1:28  Well, thank you for coming back to host the end of Year special.1:31  Good to be with you.1:32  When you hosted last time 30 people unsubscribed from the email list and six people cancelled their Patreon memberships. Yes, well,1:39  you know, go woke go broke. What were the listen to numbers like well, it was the most listened to episode we've ever had. Well, there you have it. You know, my own internet show on YouTube has registered its 15 subscriber. I'm more popular than Anthony clear in an area after party. Well, Alan, the floor is yours. Take it away. Thank you, Dan. Good morning, everyone. I'm back hosting irrational year. This show is dedicated to the most important people in the country, the sponsors of irrational fear. Yes, we'll celebrate them all in this very special episode, the highs, the lows and meet in between. This is genuinely cash for comment. Okay, let's kick it off from a message from one of most popular podcasters in Australia called Mark No, not Mark Latham. The other one.2:28  Imagine your true crime podcast hosts tracking down some of the grisly murders ever committed in Australia, only to discover that they're all already covered by other True Crime podcasts. That is the moment I discovered something so terrifying in myself that I had no choice but to turn it into a blood curdling audio experience. Hi, I'm Mark Fidel, and I host the true crime podcast is not for now. A murderer. Yes, he is. Come with me as I investigate a freshman that I come in each week until I get caught. I pick victims out at random from the white pages. I know shocking. How did I find the white pages in 2022? To find out you'll have to listen to is Mark funnel a murderer? Yes, he is available only on Audible and as a transcript from criminal court and while you're there check out my other podcast stuff Mark stall and that murder guy. Shit. I have to go now by3:26  Coronavirus. Remember that God I barely do. I failed COVID-19 away in my brain in the same place where I still have memories of when the Wallabies lost when a match got. Well back in January 2022 The New South Wales government gave up on Coronavirus to, to them all of a sudden it no longer existed, just like climate change.3:47  49,900 the New South Wales Government is changing the way it's counting Coronavirus cases because we only learned how to count up to 50,000 89,999 50,000. From today if you have symptoms of Coronavirus, you'll have to acquire a rapid antigen test through a series of physical challenges in your local district. The winner of each district will battle it out for the title of state champion who will then be given one rapid antigen test. And if that person tests positive they will then be added to the daily count.4:22  We've got one more that 50,000 plus one4:26  and if you've done report your positive test result you will be shocked oh my god Max is so hot from all of us at the New South Wales Government may the odds be ever in your favour.4:36  countdowns on radio are still a big deal when I was still on to GB we used to have the hottest 100 liberal Prime Ministers of all time, Scott Morrison took out the top 50 Well back at generate the woker radio Triple J insisted on starting a new countdown.4:53  Hey Veronica Milsom here to remind you that you've only got two days left to submit your favourite years for the hot is 100 now with over 2000 years to choose from, we want to know which year you think will come out on top as the hottest year ever.5:09  I thought 1989 was pretty high. No, no,5:12  it's not when you will asked hot the temperature of Earth.5:15  Oh gosh, it's gotta be 2007 that's the year I was born and my mom was in labour for like four hours and that was5:22  hot. Yeah, okay, I can understand from a friction perspective. But once again, we're talking about the earth's temperature.5:29  You know, the hottest year was actually at 90 and the Earth has been getting colder every year since I'm sorry,5:35  is this Senator Malcolm Roberts?5:37  No. It's round from the from the ABC.5:44  Get ready for the most predictable countdown most of the world is ignoring the hottest 100 years ever. Spoiler alert, it was last year. It's always the last year.5:59  Cash flow coming is disgusting, which is why you'll never hear me do it. But if you want to support a rational fear, simply log on to patreon.com forward slash a rational fear and chip in as little as $5 a month to keep this podcast kicking along Patreon. It's like Centerlink for comedians. And when it comes to cash for comment, no one knows more about it than our political class.6:20  In these uncertain times, it's important to be fiscally responsible6:23  our nation's on the edge of an economic cliff6:27  with very little interest in interest rates6:30  at a record low 0.1%.6:34  And with the stock market sliding faster than a Test cricket out into your DMS $50 billion wiped off the value of Australian shares. Today there's only one place to put your money that will see guaranteed returns political donations. starting as low as $25,000 you can be guaranteed enormous returns such as $21 million of subsidies and grants for your fossil fuel projects. That's the return of 840% Imagine how many politicians you could buy off with that kind of fuck you cash. Ask your financial advisor if political donations are right for you. Political Donations is as safe as houses owned by parliamentarians in Canberra.7:18  Jason says apply check the PDS for details. Oh actually there is no PDS just a handshake.7:23  So you know, whatever. No rules come February of 2022. As Scott Morrison was tackling eight year old boys and the footy field Australian was overrun with election fever. Everyone I know wanted Scott Morrison to win again including my former friends at Channel 960 minutes.7:43  Sunday 60 minutes goes behind the doors of Curability house to present Australian politics like you've never seen before. It's hard. The Prime Minister Scott Morris Good morning tag and journalist cosplay. Calm Stefano8:00  pm Good morning to you.8:02  You know our long succession very hard journey from behind from Prime Minister to A prime Daddy, I gotta tell you, I'm coming from breakfast television journalist to chief of scomo staff. Well, it's 60 minutes of Walkley award winning 69. And then you put the finger through their watch Carl Stefanova get large to buy Scott Morrison in the launch8:29  the big stick Sunday on nine and nine now.8:35  I would like to see if you would marry me love your8:41  God. That was the longest 60 minutes of my life, which is why I prefer my ads for the Liberal Party to be snack sized and presented in the aisle of the chemist warehouse.8:53  We all want our kids to grow up healthy and not on fire which makes rising temperatures in and around the home a bit of a nuisance but if you want to do absolutely nothing about them Miko past the Liberal Party of Australia not only has the Liberal Party of Australia received donations in excess of $5 million from fossil fuel companies since 2012. Unlike other Australian political parties, the Liberal Party of Australia comes with a unique formula that combines heavy investment in the gas industry with no meaningful plan to transition to renewables or electric vehicles making them the perfect party to guarantee Australia contributes less than our fair share to the global efforts to tackle climate change. So if you want to stick your head in the sand and feel it get harder and harder, why not give the Liberal Party of Australia ago today bland power helping you vote better?9:36  Come April 2022, the Melbourne International Comedy Festival played host to a rational theatre God knows why. We're former Australian of the Year Grace time dalliance didn't stand up for the first time ever. I remember what I did stand up for the first time ever. It was at my ACMA hearing for the coronella riots. I would never get me.9:55  Ah, yes. Oh Crikey. What am I doing here? I'm not a comedian. But if you look up the Venn diagram of me, and these guys, you'll find that it's not actually a Venn diagram at all. It's just a great big flashing circle that says go to therapy. Yes, the natural progression from very serious Law Reform campaigning is self roasting. When Dan asked me to do this, he said, Can you please do a monologue that is topical. And I'm on a serious mission to not talk about anything political, because everyone's been accusing me of being a hack. I know that makes things a little bit difficult. So I'm really sorry to disappoint you if you came to hear me make jokes about a certain someone. I know the temptation is very real. He is like a giant self sourcing comedy putting.Is the joke dessert that answers itself? You don't even have to tell him he just goes and grabs the ukulele all by himself.To get around that issue, I've decided instead to reflect on one of my favourite TV shows from the early 2000s. My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. Which Believe it or not, translates quite well to the landscape of Australian politics. For example, the leader of Equestria Princess Celeste year has let down Australian voters yet again, with her willingness to greenwash her government's reliance on fossil fuels to neighbouring neighbouring Yes, the pawns. The pawns are coming to neighbouring pony kingdoms. She's also very sensitive about a tail tail that she wants shattered in old McDonald's farm in 1997. All right, I'll stop. I'll make a deal. Just don't shame survivors on primetime TV don't under fund support services protect alleged rapists stab people in the back bully people pork barrel. You see we've got a bit of an imbalance daily people.Ah, yes, that naughty little flying horned party. Anyway, what I've decided to talk about this evening has absolutely nothing at all to do with politics whatsoever. And that thing is air fryers. Stick with him. Actually, I suppose they are a little bit political as one of my favourite comedians. Mark Latham has accused me of being since the airfryer came about. It has in some ways, divided the nation. That's the real Mark Latham. By the way as he calls himself on Twitter. All the other Mark Latham's are not in one nation. So will the real Mark Latham please shirt front? Sorry, I promised I wouldn't get political. It's just that I had to give him a shout out because one of the chaser interns the other day was saying that my home Tasmania isn't a real place. So I figured if Tasmania isn't real, at least I can keep living rent free in real Mark Latham was headyeah, it's pretty much just me, Rosie Batty, the 2004 election results. And pretty much well, actually, everyone who isn't a straight white man. Probably why he's so mad all the time. It's pretty crowded up in there. And you Anyway, where was I? Yes, the humble airfryer people seem to love it or hate it. What is this cheeky little unit that just popped up? Out of nowhere? How could there possibly be this smaller version of something that does things we've already been doing this whole time. Only it gets to the point a bit quicker and cuts out all the crapMost of its criticism seems to come from people who don't like change. But really, it's just a lightweight, metal clad Basket Case inside a pressure cooker that has a little vent and no filter Are you15:42  catching my drift? That's an aeroplane, by the way. Doesn't really matter does it because if you're not a fan fan Guess15:55  what I'm really trying to say is, if you don't like it, don't buy it. And that's not a political help my friends. That's just a life hack16:13  right when I ripped off the April 2022 page of my New South Wales Fire Brigade calendar, it was clear the election in May was going to cause things to heat up. Ray Martin joined irrational fear for a quick history lesson on the Liberals greatest ever mistake. John Hewson,16:35  a story begins in the Americas. You know, it is the birthplace of Joe Rogan. In 1987, the US stock market crashed, sending shockwaves around the global economy. At the same time, we were experiencing our own 80s hanging over there we were sitting on a housing bubble that was just about to end the years leading to the 1993 election. Were bad. How bad? Well, unemployment reached 11% 10,000. People went on the DOL in a week. And both the Victorian and South Australian state banks collapsed. The treasurer at the time you may know him as Prime Minister poor feeding. Well, he called us the recession that Australia had to have. So it was no surprise that going into the 1993 election. The opposition's John Hewson was the front runner, with some papers calling the election unlovable. But to win, he would need more than a big lead. He would need a big plan. A plan a so big it would save the economy from going down the drain. It included sweeping tax cuts, slashes to government spending, and at the centre of it all the introduction of a new 15% Goods and Services Tax. You know it is GST? He hasn't had all his bases covered. All that was left was to name that anything. It needed a name that the country could rally around a name that inspires grit and resolve. He called his fight back. Despite its simple name, fight back was complicated and confused voters. Maybe Worst of all, no one could get their head around what g is T would actually mean facts in hand and ready to face the nation. Houston sat down for primetime interview with a current affairs Mike Willacy, who would change the course of the election with one simple question.18:33  If I buy a birthday cake from a cake shop, and an GSDs invoice to pay more or less for their birthday cake.18:44  We may never know what went through John Houston's mind when he was asked the cost of a birthday cake. But we imagined that it might have been something like this18:53  cake to teach us okay. Oh shit. I've got fingers milk, right even lollies. Dammit, John, you idiot. How do we miss cake? Or at night? This is what we train for cake. Mom's chunky cake. I can almost taste it. Okay, two cups of self raising flour. That's 15 cents plus GST for one cup of sugar 10 cents. Vanilla essence. Always remember to lick19:17  the spoon. Shit, shit. Okay,19:20  experiments. Well, it will depend where the cakes today in that shop are subject to sales tax will they're not? Firstly, they might have a sales tax on them. Let's assume that they don't have a sales tax on and then that birthday cake is going to be selling to tax free. And of course you wouldn't pay it would be exempted which there would be no GST on it. Under our system. If it was run with a sales tax today, it would attract the GST. And then the difference would be the difference between the two taxes whatever the sales tax rate is on birthday cakes how it's decorated because there'll be sales tax perhaps in some of the decorations as well. And then of course the price. The price will reflect that according19:58  smelling blood Mike Wallasey with him for the cube has found20:02  the birthday cake. I've been trying to make a simple example. You tell us in what you've published that the cost of cake goes down, the cost of confectionery goes up. That's icing and maybe ice cream, and then just candles on top of20:17  luck. How can I forget candles? Johnny will20:21  stick right in candles as you say that attract sales tax. And of course we scrapped the sales tax yet before20:28  the public reaction with instant the GST ruin cake. And Houston's mistake was fatal. The interview gave Paul Keating everything he needed to take five back to its knees and to win the election. It's been said that he is the never again ordered dessert, and he prefers to spend his birthdays alone. And while we may never know if fight back would have saved Australia, there's one thing we could all agree on. Take it away, Mike.20:58  That the answer to a birthday cake is so complex. You do have a problem with the overall GST GST.21:03  The cost of living is out of control. Do you know in 2022, I had to sell my Southern Highlands estate. I just sold my Northern Highlands estate. I had to sell my Western Highlands estate so I could buy a Gold Coast mansion. It's ridiculous what's a child was baby boomer to do. Thankfully before they were booted out of office, the coalition had a good idea to solve the housing crisis.21:23  The federal government is working hard to ensure all Australians have a home with check builder. We're building 10,000 new homes over the next 100 years using the most sustainable resource known to the coalition novelty sized checks. Previously, every single novelty sized check that a coalition politician gives to a scout Hall sporting club or small business had to be shredded at a bag in a novelty sized shredder. But with cheque builder, they will be turned into social housing. Rest your head each night in a room constructed of Scott Morrison's broken promises I'm very okay with the idea of building car parks to take your morning dump surrounded by the signature of Bridget McKenzie, I am very proud of the sports grants programme all stand in your kitchen surrounded by million dollar views of million dollar checks made out for Josh Frydenberg car parks that never got built22:18  with respect to the car parks in my own electorate. They haven't been built as yet.22:24  And the more promises the coalition makes the more houses we can build with cheque builder. And that's a promise you can take to the bank, Authorised by the novelty size government run by novelty sized men Canberra.22:36  But it turns out giant novelty checks have a supply chain issue after elections. So the coalition joined forces with the mining industry to solve the housing crisis with another policy.22:46  The Morison government is serious about the future of Australians. That's why we're introducing whole sicker Australians will now have the opportunity to access $50,000 of their superannuation to buy their first bunker.23:00  I'm all in on the side of those who want to buy a hole with hole seeker23:04  live out the rest of your life hiding 10 metres underground from whatever catastrophic shitshow the world is hurtling towards who cares what 50k might grow into in 30 years time? Will there even be banks in 30 years, or a job to retire from or air withhold seeker your children and their children's children can feast on canned food or share oral histories about the outside and develop innovative ways to drink their own pee. While the earth witnesses an apocalyptic nightmare of biblical proportions.23:39  It boosts their ultimate retirement incomes, because they're investing in their own home the best investment anyone ever makes.23:45  No matter if you're a first bunker buyer or buying your third investment bunker, sign up for whole seeker and vote for the coalition if your main concern is the cost of living on this planet.23:57  I believe buying a hole is the best economic decision that you can make24:02  authorised by oh my god, you can't be serious. How far can you kick this can down the road before it all comes crashing down Canberra24:06  may 2022 and election promises came thick and fast, including a new proposal to keep crucial death machines operational.24:16  At the Australian government, we know that coal powered electricity plants are running out of time. On one hand, they're old, expensive, and make climate change worse every minute they run. But on the other hand, the coal industry also provides critical baseload donations to the LMP. So that's why we're launching coal keeper. We're spending $7 billion a year to keep coal powered polluting clunkers running way past their use by date. That way the LNP can get more donations from the coal industry to stay way past our use. By Date, the government could invest in new wind, solar and storage that renewable energy is too clean to give us donations, called keeper. A reliable source of donations at the cost of only four $100 per household per year, and everyone's existence25:10  it's with regrets that in May we bid farewell to every single one of Scott Morrison's ministries, which at that point we knew nothing about, and Australia went to IKEA to pick out a new cabinet. Also, the so called comedian Mark Humphreys bid farewell to one of his characters to Barabbas loins live on stage at the Sydney Opera House for the irrational fear 10th birthday, which you could listen to only on Patreon. Please welcome the rabbits login.25:38  Rabbits Thank you very much. Good eye on nationals MP Barabbas loins member for awful seed and until recently minister for tow bars and Special Envoy for McLeod's Daughters. Let me first say a big hello to those in the nosebleed seats. And normally that's the people at the back that after some sinus issues at my recent press club address, the first couple of rows should prepare, prepare for some splashback. Two weeks ago, the Australian people made a foolish error, electing a government that can't be trusted on energy policy. The coalition's policy, however, is crystal clear, and it is this, the sun doesn't always shine, and the wind doesn't always blow. That's really all we know about whether in the coalition. And I look forward to taking that level of expertise to voters in another three years time. But even more tragic than the change of government was the decision this week by my colleagues to remove me as leader of the National Party. But fear not. This does mean I will have much more time to focus on what really matters. Writing my memoirs. Inspired by Don Watson's portrait of Paul Keating recollections of a bleeding half, I was going to call mine recollections of a bleeding loins.26:58  But focus group testing suggested people found that unappetizing even more so than that Mark Latham Alan Jones cookbook. It's an older reference, but I'll stick with it. Reluctantly, I went for something more tasteful. Hence the title, loins, warts and all. There's a lot more like that. My publisher was worried the title will make people think that the book is all about STIs when in fact only one chapter is devoted to genital warts. Now I know I know Ernest highway or Franz Kafka, but I think my writing think about it. Well, I think my writing is pretty good. Goins warts, and all may not win the Man Booker Prize, but, but it has been long listed for the Andy Griffith kids writing competition. I can also recommend the book to those participating in the MS readathon as it has been known to leave many readers with neurological damage.28:08  So for your enjoyment, here's the taste of loins warts and all coming soon to all underwhelming street libraries. Okay, dedication. I dedicate this book to my oldest friend Trent. Trent is my youth. Chapter one. Call me Ishmael. When I asked Siri what a good opening line for a book would be she said that. But I think Siri should have said call me Barabbas because my name is Barabbas Ishmael chapter to the affair. I will never forget when I first saw her. I had an excited feeling down below. I usually only experienced during state of origin. I knew it was wrong. But the loins wants what the loins once she was cab and I wanted to give her herpes even though obviously I don't have herpes. Please consult the footnote for results of my STI test from 1998. It was a classic boy meet staffer story29:26  the kind of romance you've read about in numerous workplace culture booklets. I was driving. I was driving her home because my electorate of Appleseed has banned Uber in favour of our own ride sharing app Utah. It's a good app because every time you ride with you to you get to ride in the youth and to show her that she holds a special place in my heart and groyne we stopped at a Mac as drive thru as I want That's the way she tantalisingly scraped a chicken nugget around the edge of a container of sweet and sour sauce. I knew it was on for young and old. She was young guy was had nothing to lose but our careers and standing in the community. I put the CD player on Joe Cocker as you can leave your head on. Not that I need a judge's permission, mind you. Visual, visual gag though it is a helpful reminder that the ladies that the Cooper doesn't come off for anyone. And although it's not in the song, I believe Joe would have also wanted me to keep on my RM Williams, which I dutifully obliged. Are you wearing protection? She asked. Yes, I said, thinking she meant the Cobra with a UV factor of 15. Plus, I wasn't taking any chances. We were like two ships passing in the night, except where one ship repeatedly rammed into the other one.31:03  It's really good mark.31:09  It would be ungentlemanly of me to detail our passion any further. But that's not what was agreed to in the contract with my publisher. So I must push on. If the interior of minus and Navarro could speak, I imagined it would say something like for I have to say I would be inclined to what have I done? I would be inclined to agree with the interior. That night I wasn't the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport. I was I was the special envoy for getting it on. As well as bleeding the Joint Standing Committee for inappropriate use of Snagit. was more as it was heaven. I even said the correct name on more than one occasion. That night, we went on a one way trip to pleasure town with a brief detour by Streetsville because I suffered a hell of a cramp in my left calf, and needed to stretch for a bit. Thank heavens for the generous legroom of the Nissen nivara. Little did I know that pleasure town would not be our final destination, as we will be driving right on through to baby city, not a literal city, but a metaphor for the miracle of childbirth. I don't think God is the final page. When I found out she was pregnant, I knew it was time for me to accept responsibility and do the right thing. So I got down on one knee and said, Let's keep this secret until the media finds out. It was a difficult pregnancy, photos of my pregnant partner was splashed on the front pages of major tabloids, which infuriated me as I had hoped to sell them to the highest bidder. It was also difficult for my four daughters, but Abby, Burr, Emily or Eleanor and brassica. Dad, you've slipped up but no matter what we still love you is what I imagined they would say if we were still on speaking to. The birth was also difficult, especially as the obstetrician insisted that I not reach into my partner's cervix to retrieve the infant like I would do with a baby calf. That's the line okay. Good to know. Prior to the birth of my son questions had been raised about his paternity admittedly by me, but as soon as he appeared, He emptied his bowels. And as I looked at him, they're causing a complete mess and drowning in his own shit. I knew once and for all that he was definitely mine. Thank you very much.33:58  Thank you, Miranda.34:00  Owl Barabbas Lloyds, I'll miss having our casual off the cuff conversations about small modular nuclear reactors with you over a few drinks down at our local Pontus Chairman's lounge. And a note here about a rational fear sponsor, Australian ethical. Since 1986. Australian ethical has been managing the investments and superannuation for everyday Australians. By investing ethically, Australian ethical avoids human trafficking weapons, fossil fuels and gambling you know, all the stuff I'm into. These people don't have taste. Big thank you to Australian ethical. Come August Anthony Albanese had 100 days of office under his belt, and much like me when I've got anything under my belt, he was determined to shake it loose and show how different he was.34:44  The Australian Labour Party is finally in charge. But don't worry conservatives. We're not here to shake things up. Good governance means more of the same but different, more of the same petroleum exploration but not on Sydney's North Shore in the Southern Ocean. More of the same destruction of sacred sites and song lines, but not for iron ore, for gas.35:06  whatever our differences in political parties we share a love for coal seam gas drilling.35:13  And yes, we know it looks like we've rushed into passing a bill on climate action. But don't worry, it's weeks Pearson won't change a thing.35:21  The Australian people voted for change. And we intend to give them nothing.35:26  Australian labour same suits, different tie. In September 2022, irrational fear performed at the Festival of Dangerous Ideas and event that even I, Alan Jones, the facilitator of the race ride have never been invited to perform at a GOP cow. It's during the show on Australian secrets, Kate McClymont gave tips on how to avoid35:54  right, I am going to give you some tips tonight on how to avoid me. So I find now that often when I ring people up, I can hear them and I say oh, it's Kate McClure I'm on here I can hit and go. But anyway, if you want to be secret, one of the things I want to advise you is not to buy a voice distorter. So I did have someone ring up to give me some very highly confidential information. And they'd gone to the trouble of buying a voice distorter. And it did sound like a crazed robot. But the information was absolutely fabulous. And I said at the end of the conversation, thank you so much. And now I can get you on this number. The safe forgotten. Voice distorter number still came up. Don't buy voice disorder. And too. If you want to remain secret, please use Australia Post snail mail, it's still the best way to send things. However, if you are one of the unburied family, and you are sitting there sending me death threats, please wear gloves. Your fingerprints were on the envelope. And on the inside. So gloves if you really don't want to be caught. And one other thing I'd like to advise Eddie obeyed was in the past. When I rang his office to get some questions. He forgot to hang up. The phone on and I listened for 20 minutes, as they discussed how they were going to lie to me what they were going to say. And in the end, I had to call in on the office. And I said look, Eddie, it's been so lovely hearing you talk about me. It's been so lovely hearing your plans. However, I really need a comment and I just heard them go off. They hung up. Another thing is that when a major crime figure has died, don't go behind the crypt at the funeral to discuss where the money is. This happened at many Macpherson's funeral, and I'd already been threatened. So I thought I would hide behind the crypt on the other side of the crypt, whistling the McPherson solicitor, who was chatting away about where the money was hidden, what companies they had. So that was very handy. And having said those things, I do want to just take one moment to say that I am also an idiot when it comes to, you know, giving my own things away. Louis reminded me today that I accidentally sent a pin with my location on it to the head of the Hells Angels. Caitlin climber is here. Not so good. Then I sent a photo of my ear. How would you take a photo of your ear and send it but I sent that to one of my colleagues who thought I somebody had cut it off and I was and then the last thing I did was that I did have my phone in my pocket. And I sent a whole lot of gibberish to Twitter. And people contacted me saying should they call the police had I been kidnapped? Had I been kidnapped? And was this a secret cry for help? So I would just like to say that I too, like many of the criminals I cover am an idiot.39:44  October 2022 politics in Australia became so boring. We all started to tune in to the UK politics, which was like reading Harry Potter for the first time.39:55  To outsiders the conservative party may look like it's a fucking on new Sham. polls. But to those of us on the inside, we're staying true to our promise to get Britain moving under the Tories, more British people than ever are moving to Europe. Thanks to the Conservative Party, the people of Britain are moving vigorously to keep warm, but the Conservatives are also walking the walk as a party. We're all moving offices every day moving, moving, moving. In fact, there's so much movement at Downing Street. There's a shortage of movers, even Prime Minister trusses looking at her poll numbers and having movements of her very own.40:38  I am determined to deliver40:42  the Conservative Party getting Britain moving figuratively, and literally40:48  watching UK politics for the last week. It's been like trying to catch up on a sci fi TV show you've missed a couple of seasons of the baddies is still in charge but all the characters have kind of changed you kind of don't know where the story is at. Joining us now to shed light on what the hell is happening over there is satirical comedian star of McTell week hosted the DMS are open podcast on radio for extra and a cracking Twitter feed. It's Athena Coupland. Welcome, Sina.41:12  Thank you for having me. How are you?41:14  Good, good, you know, full full kind of disclosure. Rick suggested this story. We all looked at we all looked at each other. And we're like, none of us know what is actually happening. We need an expert What the hell is happening over there in the UK?41:30  The fact you've called me tells me how desperately important you are. And the last I mean know even the politicians themselves that said last night they had a vote they might not be aware but like in Parliament, when you have a vote you either vote on the issue or if your party is in crisis, you vote says a tentative vote on the party. That makes sense. So last night, they were going Do you like fracking or not, but because the party was in such disarray, the break was going to turn into do like the conservatives or not basically this is a bit Fisher Price politics. Right. So42:03  seriously, looking at your political system, it's like looking at Harry Potter. Like we didn't know.42:08  It, just say like a fracking is like a really important issue like causes earthquakes, right? Yeah, no, no, that's not as important is to like, come you're not like how is that?42:19  Yeah, it feels like a twist in like a reality TV show. You know, like, you know, you thought it was gonna be about fracking.42:27  This tastes disgusting when they put in a contest and that's been evicted. So like. So genuinely, the politicians didn't know if they were voting for fracking, or for the party this morning. I was trying to find out what was it about in any case, they ended up voting for earthquakes because earthquake because we were not on a top line and it's not fair. When you sit on a fault line, you get you know, you get quakes and so why don't we Why don't we create a natural disaster so we can be on the news today? I mean, we just got on the news.43:02  We've got a natural disaster though. It's the Tory party. You know. Fracking.43:17  Here is how ITV said what went down last night.43:21  It has been a night of astonishing scenes at Westminster with reports of jostling manhandling bullying and shouting outside the parliamentary lobbies in a suppose vote of confidence in the government. The deputy chief whip was reported to have left the scene saying I'm absolutely effing furious. I just don't effing care anymore before he resigned along with the chief whip, but we've just been told they have now officially on resigned. The Home Secretary has however definitely got insurance. It is total absolute abject chaos43:58  as well so this was a that was supposedly your vote on whether or not the parties have voted lose trust this trust risk the vote to even vote on herself. First of all it was she wants fracking she thinks it sucks he thinks it's important right and just security so she missed the boat on fracking.44:18  That's why she missed it she was she was pumping gas into the ground. She was busy fracking data number 10 Yeah,44:25  so she missed that I wrote to say that I like me. So this is why I suppose44:30  this is why I chose this subject because I don't know anything about it but I do know that it's very funny. And also I see a lot of myself in live traps like she'sunderstanding how money works or market44:47  right? I do love I love that like ITV at the at the end that like because my brain is working in like a music and radio station when I hear so like total abject chaos. with that thing underneath, I'm just waiting for like a dubstep drop to kick in45:11  reporters they seem to always have like such a sense of urgency that you could absolutely remix it and make it a sick club mix. Like45:22  I'm surprised it hasn't been done already, to be honest. And you have to do these. That's the reason why these things happen so they can go viral on the internet. That's what I think to be fair, I do think I'm being a bit cynical. I do think though, they're ramping it up a bit. Just a little clip of them going crazy can go viral, because the good thing about this chaos is it was it's been chaotic for about four weeks. What we've got now if you've got pitches on MPs Avenue Arch bargy in Parliament, but this has been this as the status has been the status quo you know, this is not this is not this last night in many ways is unremarkable. It's just it was just funny because I vote in Parliament you don't have bits of paper you literally you vote with your body you go through a yes chamber or no change it's really you46:03  don't you don't have a button46:08  so that's all happening was46:14  a please don't please don't think this is fisher price because we have literally no idea that's amazing.46:21  It's incredible so the chief whip said the chief whip says it's their job to get people to vote the quote unquote right way to vote with us not against us but because you're not going to get paid for you have to physically move people if the right chamber right so what was happening last night it was they were literally getting them by the exit or whatever. Like apparently there was a bit people were like saying it was like brilliant, like they were like apparently,46:42  Jacob Riis. Mog was one of the people manhandling which is like noodle closet.46:50  If you let Jacob Riis, mog bad habit you get yourself to help still get some iron supplements. Protein shakes. You are withering away the cost of living crisis to doing something because Jacob Riis, mog made us do it. She came home from school, we said I'm being bullied and they've put in a kid and they're taking these Rob, I would kick them out of the house.47:21  And being bullied by like one of those car yard like47:26  I love this line from the chancellor Jeremy Hunt. He told a meeting of colleagues on Wednesday, he said according to someone in the room, this is what Jeremy Hunt said, this would be really interesting shit if I wasn't in the middle of it.47:39  Fundamentally, basically, is because there's an Elisa that has no authority. When she says jump, they all sit down and pick their noses. And when when they do what she says the markets go, What the hell are you doing? You're crazy. So they're in a weird place where they can't do what they've been told. Because what they've been told is horrendous, but not doing what they're told that government can't function. And so that's what we're saying about General Electric, which is horrible because no one likes elections. They're just horrible. You tell them the TV, listen, slow mo the child crying, or whatever some would call it because video. It's just very boring. I think we should just get the formality of a general election. And we should just just edit a coup, but a nice,48:19  nice, consider just going for Mauna Kea, like now you've got the king.48:25  I mean, you know, I mean for the crack. I mean48:30  what about a reverse Monica, you could have our prime minister roll over you it'd be great. Ya know,48:35  we like your one your new ones Nice. We'd like that do48:39  Undercover Boss but just to you know, live trust but48:45  you know, like a school you do like exchange student trips, and you go to France so the family and they stay with you. Let's do an exchange.48:53  Right? Yeah, I don't think we want Ms dress.48:55  It's such fun drama. It's real, like keeping up with it quite tangy. And then and49:09  like, it was just about work. It's very interesting. What's happened now is because and what people are forgetting is it. Boris Johnson two years ago, kicked all the reasonably smart people out of the cabinet because they were not on board this Brexit plan so if you're not with me or against me, any fill this cabinet with idiots. I mean, I don't even see those kind of people who probably weren't very skilled at what they did. And that's a one by one. We've lost anyone with a semblance of common sense. And now we're left with people who just like walking around and saying I'm important. And then you ask them to do something and they can't do anything because they're thick. And there's no one and no one in the back bench who might be good at it been in the cabinet wants to observe it. So that's been run out of options. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Read a book and get smart, but that's not going to happen. Well, that49:59  takes time. time and50:01  your energy crisis.50:03  There's a real problem with the conservative party among many others. But you know, our conservative party they basically roll Prime Ministers whenever they want. They say let's get rid of this guy. Next week the next person in line, we've had enough of this person, but the UK Conservative Party has to wait 12 months before they can ever party motion to wrong someone.50:21  You know something all of these things mean nothing. They really do mean nothing. They just they say that but they'll just change the rules. They'll change the rules and I hope they I hope they do because it's because nobody wants to talk for months. I won't lie like they're looking for windup torches. I'm telling you how power power they kind of they prepared with the press releases and the news bulletins say you're in the dark sorry about that, or whatever. So I50:48  can recommend anything. It would be a solar foldout solar panel, you can charge your phone in the50:52  UK it climate change50:58  is bringing trust down and climate change is bringing this podcast down.51:04  It really was just leaves holding you all together, wasn't it?51:09  The crazy thing so we got rid of forests that can it can't get any worse. And now people are saying we need both shots and back. It's it's sort of it's sort of it51:17  for now. I even heard Theresa Mays name resurfaced51:21  where everybody roll carries.I think he's not. Some college idli51:39  Rick,51:42  I'm aware of what he did. But he was just because I don't know why he was on my mind. I regret saying that.51:48  Come November 2022. The Australian transaction reports and Analysis Centre sent shockwaves through shonky betting agencies. And as the owner of Australia's most richest horse race, the Everest May I just say austrack are the finest institution we have in Australia. They're very talented, maybe even more talented than Anthony Kalia. So to austrack I say good luck out there boys.52:15  Oh no generic trading. What's that bloke man sports betting bet 365 are being audited by austrac Oh, what are the odds are that pretty good according to austrack52:25  the Australian transaction reports and Analysis Centre is bringing financial auditing to the palm of your hand stream every raid Live Trace every transaction be dockside for every judicial ruling. And you and your mates can band together with a sane investigation multi52:47  Oh put upon upon aiding and abetting money laundering. Yeah, and I'll put a dame Nellie Melba on funding terrorism a lobster on them getting off scot free. Better make it a tonne.52:57  austrac been put good pants or bad.53:03  Another month goes by another high profile data breach this time of a health company. If you ask me it's an absolute disgrace. There is only one way that the private information of an individual should be made public and that is on a breakfast radio show. Don't have these hackers no respect. Disgusting.53:22  At Medibank private, we regret the recent data breach of our customers personal information. And while the hackers tried to convince us to pay their ransom as any of our customers trying to lower the cost of life saving medical treatment will tell you we never negotiate. That's why Medibank private is rebranding as of today will be known as Medibank public. So whether you have your first leaky bomb, like Phyllis Thompson of six fo in place Wangaratta or your third STI like Gustav Montague of 35 to brookstreet bonobo Queensland four to seven five whose blood type is so positive and mother's maiden name is Vaughn summer and has three points left on his licence and he's so heavily laden with debt that an extra $5,000 in fees won't make that much of a difference to him tax file number oh three one double 9381 You will get the same overpriced service without any more data breaches. Because it's too late. It's all out there now anyway. Medibank public, we feel better now that there's no more secrets.54:21  November 2022. So the kickoff of the biggest sporting event in the world since I used to coach the wallabies, the FIFA World Cup, nothing more joyous than a month of men running around in their prime for 90 minutes. It's ballet for the commoners.54:37  This Sunday, the entire globe descends on Cata for the event no one will talk about it's the turning a blind eye World Cup54:47  football players that's up picking a champion eto for the wildcards alleged Oh J Trump every game as a loser. There are just lots more losers and football teams playing Oh, I've seen54:58  jockstraps treats better than the construction workers in Qatar55:02  32 nations will go head to head and then turn their heads to look the other way.55:07  Oh no. They've completely mistakes. Look at that. The exploitation, the corruption, the discrimination, the total inability to buy a beer.55:19  Which country will rationalise the cost of kicking around a ball on a field in a country without fields?55:26  I've gotta say cats are is hosting the most awful job that I've ever refused to witness and the final stories migrant deaths 6500 versus the world now, interest55:39  get ready to ignore all of the action further turning a blind eye World Cup or ticket will buy you a whole seat that was installed by someone who died of heat exhaustion.55:50  The Emir of Qatar has come to his senses. It's true. I have come to my senses all stadiums must go at the Qatar Black Friday sale aid barely use stadiums are going for next to nothing. Coincidentally, they're also currently standing next to nothing pristine seats, unused beer taps, mystery bones in the foundation. I don't know how that got there. Perfect if you're hosting your own World Cup ideal for creating an internment camp or if you're a New South Wales premier just wanted to buy a stadium to knock it down to get your mates to build your new one just like it these stadiums cost $200 billion, but could be yours for a shitload of sheep. It's not a bad deal. Qatar's blackFriday stadium sale an opportunity like this won't present itself until an autocratic regime bribes FIFA to make bad decisions again.56:37  It's our culture. Please respect it. Also in November, Anthony Albanese had his first ever bilateral with China's President G. And judging by the press conference afterwards, it sounds like we're getting married. Thank you, everyone. Yes, thank you. Okay, ready. I want to thank President sheet for a productive conversation. Sure, Australia and China have our differences. China has a problem with disappearing protesters. We know exactly where ours are under very strict bow conditions. China is increasing coal use. We are far more into gas. China's indigenous populations face imprisonment, relocation, theft of their land, reeducation, discrimination, forced labour and organ harvesting. We don't do the organ harvesting part. But despite our differences, there's something China and Australia can agree. The best way to support work is to help rich people get richer. Thank you. No questions. What about the questions? Oh, nope. There's another similarity. I forgot about repressing press freedoms and I forget that we're becoming more and more like you every day. As December rolled around New South Wales, Premier Dominic ParaType got into the Christmas spirit by saying that jailing of a climate protested for stopping traffic on the Sydney Harbour Bridge for 20 minutes was quite pleasing to see. You know, what else is pleasing to see Anthony Kalia Live in Concert? Now there's someone who could stop traffic. One a voice.58:14  On the next season of Wentworth, a new contender for top dog has arrived at the prison.58:21  I took a knife and I put it in the side of my husband's abdomen and then I let his intestine spill out across the marble floor of our harbour side mansion. So new fish, or the UN for58:33  iPad to track on the Sydney Harbour Bridge.58:37  Your time total badass.58:39  I then delay traffic for about 20 to 25 minutes. Why would you do that? Because our government isn't doing enough about climate change. Girls.58:48  I resign. Coco was the new top dog around here.58:52  And if you come for the king, you better nothing carbon positive.58:55  It's a whole new level of disproportionate justice. This season on web only on showcase which is on something called Foxtel.59:08  Ask your parents about it. And finally a word from our King though not me the real King King Charles who just this week gave his first Christmas address.59:17  It's now easier to read your majesty just put it back the words are clearly on it. Look, I wrote it in Comic Sans. I want to read it in comics in Yes, Your Majesty.59:29  Good evening subjects and people who live in countries we forgot to invade when times were better. King Charles here to wish you all a very Merry Christmas. Just another one of the many goddamn jobs I've had to learn to do at age 75. Did you know that I also have to be the head of the church to Christ almighty. 2022 was a year of challenges for us all. Mummy died and one had to use a blasted inkwell. This year, we're thinking of those suffering at the hands of cancelled culture, namely, Netflix, Hulu subscription we've cancelled for the entire palace. Our thoughts and prayers also go out to those who are suffering under the rule of governments undergoing bloody cool, like in the Kingdom of Great Britain. But there is always hope. For those of you concerned about mommy's legacy, don't worry. It's in good hands. Sure the hands are a little puffy and red, but working fine. Nevertheless. So from all of the top tier Royals, except for Andrew, we wish you all a Merry Christmas. Oh, God, dammit who put this bloody tree here? Why is it inside?1:00:51  Just get rid of it. Just get it get get rid of it. Your Majesty. Of course, your majesty a tree with1:00:57  lights and shit all over it. You can't go chopping down trees with the environment. Bloody hell.1:01:07  Well, that's it for rational faith in the year 2022. Big thank you to everyone who listens to the show, especially those people on Patreon who chip in a small amount each month to make it happen. Also a big thank you to Jacob round on the teppanyaki timeline, all of the comedians of Australia who come into play with us and until next year, there's always something to be scared of. I'm Alan Jones.Transcribed by https://otter.aiHeading into the election your support is going to be more crucial than ever!Thank you FEARMONGERS!If you enjoyed this please drop us a review on Apple podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/a-rational-fear/id522303261--------------A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🐬  A Rational Fear is supported in part by Australian Ethical 🎟 TICKETS TO ADELAIDE FRINGE FESTIVAL NOW ON SALEG’day Fearmongers —On the final regular podcast of the year we’ve got a cheap and cheerful chat on the podcast that the Dude Cinema hosts have labeled “The Boys Say Some Sad News Podcast”. We’re lucky to have said hosts — Alex Jae and Bec Charlwood join us for a spot of fearmongering.We talk about:🚬 NZ banning smoking for people born in 2008 and later.🗃 NZ Rental Crisis is bad.🤖 Elon Musk being booed off stage in San Francisco.Happy Christmas to you all, may all your policy dreams come true. We'll be back for New Year's Eve for our best of A Rational Fear sketches special.And if you’re in Adelaide you can buy a ticket to our Fringe Festival show now!DanGuest BookerChappelle Show 🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🐬  A Rational Fear is supported in part by Australian Ethical 🎟 TICKETS TO ADELAIDE FRINGE FESTIVAL NOW ON SALE   0:00  This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical Day Lewis.0:05  Hello, Dan, how are you?0:07  I'm very well. I'm a little cold colder than usual. I don't know if our listeners can hear but currently, I am sitting outside. Outside doing this outdoors. It's very exciting.0:18  You look like you're doing some sort of like war correspondent like your crash down in a car park. Like you looked at I looked like you're reporting on the Boxing Day sales.0:29  That's well, I'm actually I'm doing some pre reporting on the Boxing Day sales. I'm here at Westfield in Chatswood on top of the roof because I'm doing my Christmas shopping and doing my Santa photo and nothing can stop the Santa photo was not even this podcast. I've had to find space and time and I've had to try to get tethering working. I hope it's all recording. I hope it sounds okay. But you know, all we can do is hoped for the best.0:55  You sound weirdly amazing. Are you Santa? Is that what's happening? You take a quick break from your job as Santa.1:00  My nipples are hard. I couldn't be on the North Pole. This is what this is what we have a hey, I want to say a big thank you to Joel Pittman, Joshua Nicholson toe Lowe's, Stu holding and the incredible illustrator, comedian Megan Herbert, who joined us on Patreon this week. Thank you so much. It's a great way to support the show head to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. You get an ad free version of this show and Louis we've got some live shows coming up which remind people Adelaide to Melbourne on sale Adelaide is firming up. We've got Alex Fraser and Gabby bolt joining us for Adelaide. But Melbourne is pretty exciting. We've got Alice Fraser, Sami Shah, and somebody who did the show last year Lewis who is excited to come back to do their second ever. Comedy Spot on stage.1:44  Oh, really?1:46  Yeah. Yeah. She they texted me to say in and again,1:52  that's greatly awesome. If it's too I think it is can you put me on before them this time, so I don't have to follow the most beloved person in Australia.2:03  You're gonna close the show. We can't rely on newbies to close the show. All hands closed the show. Yeah, so Melbourne. Make sure you get your tickets for that we are performing April 2 in Melbourne at the capital of huge venue. But we've got some great guests, including some others we haven't announced yet. So full announcement next year in the new year. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gamma ray go land on the rooftop of Westfield. Sovereignty was devastated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.2:33  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra, and gum and section 40 of a rational view recommended listening by immature audience.2:47  Tonight Elon Musk appears on stage in San Francisco and gets booed by a crowd of 10,000 of his children. And Scott Morrison claims Robo debt was not his fault as one of his multiverse clones was prime minister at the time, and Dominic ParaType threatens to shut down Christmas as elves vote to Unionise it's the 15th of December 2022. And this is the podcast that is Elliot banks refuses to come back on. This is a rational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host disgraced Sky News Anchor Dan Ilic. And this is the podcast that takes the week's news and express posts to the tip for the final time in 2022. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. Yes, they are the CO hosts of bobbly, the ladies guide to dude cinema podcast now, just dude cinema podcast and they're not afraid to tell you that your favourite film is probably pretty rubbish. It's Vic Charlwood and Alex J. Welcome to restaurants. Merry Christmas. You know coming into summer, we've got a big blockbuster season coming up. What is the dirtiest cinema? You're hoping to check out over summer just just give us one thing? What is the duty of cinema?4:11  I mean, it's Tarantino releasing his next film. That would be that4:16  basically. Is it avatar is is the new avatar.4:21  I would have to say the new avatar is definitely the duty is first of all, it's coming back into our lives after being absent for 13 years just like my dad4:34  will do a full dude cinema summer blockbuster at the end of the podcast, but please, stay standing. The king of Australia. It's now easier to read your majesty4:46  just put it back the words are clearly on. Look. I wrote it in Comic Sans. I want to read it in comics in Good evening subjects and people who live in countries we forgot to invade When times were better, King Charles here to wish you all a very Merry Christmas. Just another one of the many goddamn jobs I've had to learn to do at age 75. Did you know that I also have to be the head of the church to Christ almighty 22 was a year of challenges for us all. Mummy died, and one had to use a blast at inkwell. This year, we're thinking of those suffering at the hands of cancelled culture, namely, Netflix, Hulu subscription we've cancelled for the entire palace. Our thoughts and prayers also go out to those who are suffering under the rule of governments undergoing bloody coup, like in the Kingdom of Great Britain. But there is always hope. For those of you concerned about mummys legacy. Don't worry. It's in good hands. Sure the hands are a little puffy and red, but working fine. Nevertheless. So from all of the top tier Royals, except for Andrew, we wish you all a Merry Christmas Temitope put these bloody tree here. Why is it inside? Just get rid of it. Just get it get get6:20  rid of it. Your Majesty. Of course, Your Majesty.6:23  A tree with lights and shit all over it. You can't go chopping down trees. Think of the environment. Bloody hell6:31  Hill. It's always good to have your majesty on the podcast. Alright, let's get stuck into some fears. Two big stories tonight coming from New Zealand First fear New Zealand passed the law to ban cigarette sales to everyone born after 2008 Yes, starting next year, the country's smoking age of 18 will be raised year on year. And so eventually it's gonna be applied to the whole population. So if you are under 50 Now, you're basically going to be banned for life for the rest of your life to buy cigarettes fear mongers, will this outride smoking ban work back?7:05  I can hear the use of New Zealand crying? Oh no, I guess we'll just have to vape then. What can I don't friggin care. vaping is cool, guys. I reckon this is smoking, admitting defeat. This is what's happening. Giving up to vaping and they can't admit it.7:26  There's gonna be this huge black market soon, you know, people are gonna be buying cigarettes in school, like imagine being like the one year above the people in school. Like who you can actually or you can buy cigarettes but people when you below you can't and be like, What do you think about that punk? And once some cigarettes, no, you can't. It's illegal buddy. Dude all your life, there's gonna be doing it until you at least 50 or 60. Or until you die. You know, there's gonna be7:51  there'll be a huge black market for like, almost CGI and fake IDs. Because at some point, it's gonna be a 20 year old who needs a 40 year olds ID. So I think that's the black market is gonna be like the production value is gonna be off the chain.8:03  And half the people in New Zealand all work at wetter so they've got the skills to make these8:08  Do you feel as though home of Lord of the Rings that's you know, heaps of production value there. Just go go use their studios slaughter the8:15  smoke rings now think it's good. I think if there's one thing that we've always learned is that the more rules that are put on cigarettes, the less people want to shop. I do think that like the one good thing about this is it does mean that in like 20 years, millennials will actually have something that someone else doesn't have like these are our houses now. Like we'll be able to like do you know Louis has three cigarettes.8:48  Yeah, Milan,8:50  will be basically the last cool generation because, yeah, you can't be cool. Unless you smoke cigarettes. Yeah,8:56  probably the most shocking thing for me in this story is that there are people who were born in 2008, who are about to turn 18 In a few years now. That's, that's, that's great. I'm always surprised how time works. I think it's gonna be interesting. It's gonna be huge black market. Soon people in New Zealand are going to be bumming cigarettes and like, hiding it as if they were in school. Like, no matter what age they are, like, there'll be there'll be 50 or 60 trying to sneak a cigarette. And that's such a bizarre notion. We're9:27  just gonna have to start placing random demountable around the city so people can9:34  rational fear. All right, this week second fear it's another New Zealand Story. A tiny room in an apartment has been taken down off an accommodation website after someone suggested it was just a bed in a room that used to be a toilet. Yeah, the lister insisted that it wasn't designed to be lifted full time, but the cupboard size room was advertised as quote furnished and was perfect for taking naps in and you could fall asleep pee. Fully at any time and quote, this is a real home exclamation mark. And it was going for $180 A week fear mongers you can rent car parks bigger than this room in Sydney.10:12  How much was your car park dad?10:17  The beautiful thing about Westfield car parks during Christmas Louis is five hours free parking.10:23  Alright, let's do that10:24  this is not a sponsored this is not a sponsorship spot.10:26  There's a lot of sponsorships. I like a room that you can take naps in and take craps. It's a10:31  versatile room.10:32  They said it used to like it looks like it used to be a toilet but really like any room can be a toilet when you put your mind.10:39  You just gotta work for it. You just got to believe10:42  that I believe I think it's always good when you're like going through a post of something, you know, real estate related. And someone has to say this is real exclamation mark. It's always10:53  exists.10:57  Yeah, I don't know. This is real. I mean, it means that they know it's fucked11:01  the sentence before I feel like is even more threatening. You know, they say this is real exclamation mark. But the sentence before is fall asleep peacefully at any time. Like, that feels like a threat.11:16  There is poison in this room somewhere.11:18  Like opposed to other rental properties where you can only fall asleep peacefully at four and 6pm or something like it's a house just fall asleep.11:27  I guess I'd like to give give you a sense of freedom because you you don't have any freedom to hang up your clothes. So you have freedom to sleep anytime you want.11:37  Until the windowless11:38  nature of it does mean that it's kind of like a blackout room. So it's like a really good hotel when you get those or you think you could go to sleep in the middle of the day because you don't know what time it is.11:47  Yeah, and you can't buy those level of blackout curtains anywhere. They're hard to come11:51  by. I can tell you on this in this on this rooftop carpark. I could do with some blackout curtains right now.11:59  I just love to imagine anyone walking past you at the moment is like, Oh my God, that poor homeless man thinks he's doing12:06  great. Another white guy with a podcast at Westfield.12:09  looses rational fear.12:12  Y'all got a whole different kind of culture around here. She's never coming back. We are a racist country not to get in front of some audience of white people for them to be throwing shit at me.12:24  And finally, since this is the last irrational fear of the year, it's got a real end of school vibe to it. I feel like the last day of school we're really phoning this one in or like me, I'm car park again. I thought we would do something a little different. I want to hear your rational fears of the year. What are your nominations for fear of the year? What happened this year that made you go oh dear, that's not good. There's a few to choose from for me floods fascism. A return to 90s Fashion all reasons to be scared. But fear mongers what are some of yours? What are the things what are the the standout moments of the year that made you go? Oh, dear, that's not very good.13:01  Well, you just reminded me of another one. So yeah, I've got two but not key number one is now low res jeans coming back. 100%. And to my main one is Johnny Jett winning his defamation case that was scary AF13:18  sama for the lady13:21  having a good time on the internet as a lady13:24  just when you thought me too can bum you out anymore. Here comes the Johnny Depp Amber Heard case.13:34  Feels good. So that was terrifying.13:36  It was definitely one of those ones where you learn your bubble, like the comments section of any article about that. I was like, oh, there are people who think that?13:46  Nothing. Yeah. I just pretended that we're all books. Yeah. That's how I sleep at night.13:53  One of my pastimes is reading Daily Mail comments, and it makes me feel like the world is larger. That's for sure. Yeah.14:02  That's a nice way of saying Fox out there.14:07  What about you back? What's what's your number one meme of the year that made you go Oh, dear, that's not good. Oh, well,14:12  I am an anxious person despite who I am in every way outwardly. So I love I love a spiral. It's never just one fear. It's one fear that leads to another to another to another. So what was the first block to fall was finding out that Nick Cannon wilding out host and Elon Musk? Tech fuckhead both have breeding fetishes. Okay, that's scary. The second part of the fee came when days later I saw a tick tock right and this is not facts. But still it's in here so it feels like one that said apparently your fetishes are genetic. So if you have a fetish for something, there's a super high chance your parents had that same fetish, disgusting but then I put those two together. And now all Have the kids that Nick Cannon and Elon Musk are having? They're gonna have breeding fetishes. So that means I'm gonna say 200 years from now. 92% of the world's population is going to be direct descendants of Elon Musk and Nick Cannon.15:19  Oh my god. Oh, well, that is one way to populate Mars that is.15:25  As long as it's Mars, and it's not bloody here.15:29  All the people in Sydney will be paradise. Yeah.15:34  I went to the school with a paradise. In fact, I was Dominic's house captain. I was in school when they were Redfield. They were notorious for turning up to school in an in a high ace because their family has 13 kids. Oh. Yeah. They're very prolific breeders. I mean, that's great.15:55  Well, Harris, he's really just our own Australia's Nick Cannon isn't a16:00  Lewis is there a fear or a moment of the year that struck to you that, you know, this year that you think I'm gonna do like a vindicated fear, like a fear that when it came true, kind of made me happier? We actually talked about it on the podcast, which was earlier in the year and in fact, at the end of last year, the president of El Salvador went all in on crypto16:21  Germanus. That's right. Yeah, he was gonna do the crypto cryptocurrency. He was going16:27  to put the El Salvador cash into crypto. And he's he did a big press conference. And he was wearing a hat backwards. And the whole thing was just incredible. At the time, everyone was like, this man's insane. And there was a part of me that was like, I truly believe he's insane. And I truly believe this is the worst decision he's ever made. Because he's betting everything on a unicorn. That doesn't exist. And then when it Gore came crashing, I guess we're starting to see the crash now and the inevitability, but everyone's like, Oh, wait, we're investing in a dream that doesn't exist. But like, I know that that's bad news for the people of El Salvador. But it was there was something kind of hope filled in the fact that you want you were like, This is wrong. And it was wrong, which I feel like over the last few years hasn't been the way it's gone. I've been like, this is wrong, and it shouldn't go this way. And then it goes the complete other way that I'm expecting like, every everything from like Trump onwards, like, nothing has gone everything's gone the absolute opposite of the way in my mind, it should have. And this was one thing where I was like, No, I still have a grip. Some grip on reality sense. Yeah. Yeah, there is a tiny part of the world that still17:35  is it weird that I'm kind of envious that I'm like, yes, it's awful. It's a crazy thing to do. But if one day, albo got on TV and was like, Guys, this is gonna sound crazy. But I'm taking the federal budget and putting it on red. I'll be like, Ah, don't do that. But I want it but oh my god. You might as well double or nothing give it a go yeah, oh my god. Dan just had two strangers walk.18:11  In the Chicago Bulls jersey. He just looked so upset at you.18:16  This is Boomer podcasting. thing that really got struck me this year. I think the moment of fear for me was when Elon Musk threatened to buy Twitter and then forced himself to buy Twitter, and then bought Twitter and then just systematically destroyed Twitter. And the best thing that's ever happened this year so far, was Elon Musk getting up on stage with Dave Chappelle and him being booed for four minutes straight.18:41  I can't bring myself to watch that video, even though I desperately want to but I just don't know at this. I think a secondhand cringe would just kill me.18:48  I mean, for folks who you know, to I mean, back, you've played some big crowds this year, like you've toured with some big names.18:55  Alan Carr, who cares who Alan Carr National Treasure Anyway, anyway, so19:03  Alan Carr got Deke Smith up on stage. What do you think would have happened?19:09  I think everyone would say who the fuck is that? No idea who anyone.19:15  What what do you recognise Chappelle was thinking about when he brought Moscow up onstage.19:21  I think he's just completely lost his bearings. I think he's like, I think he thinks rich equals cool now. And he's like, he did the same thing. So he's got a sense of humour. Let's bring him on a fucking Stand Up Show.19:32  I think Chappelle also is running out of things. Because, you know, he does this thing at the top of the jokes where he'll say something controversial, and then be like, no, no, no. And then he'll do 20 minutes in the lead up to a punch line. And he's running out of those concepts. So he's just gonna bring out fuckheads and everyone goes19:52  turns into Barnum. Yeah, he was a monkey on a on an elephant.19:58  And also, like you could imagine show that in Dave Chappelle the world that no Dave Chappelle now inhabits like online or you know, like the kind of people that these days like Fuck yeah. Dave Chappelle are also like Fuck yeah. Elon Musk, generally speaking so he would have, I reckon he genuinely would have thought it was a slam dunk. Yeah. So20:15  in thinking about why it is weird that so many people booed him is he that hated that even chapels audience like that,20:25  like a lot of transphobia. But I hate this fuckwit20:27  know, that guy with all the kids.20:31  I mean, if I had to pick who Dave Chappelle is audience what social media they most flocked to, it's definitely Facebook. So a lot of them will probably just like, Who's this guy on stage.20:42  But they're just building Twitter. They're like,20:50  it was a gig in an arena in San Francisco. San Francisco is the headquarters of Twitter. Twitter has just like killed like 5000 people's jobs. Like it's such a strange like, what as Musk why would you want to get up and be stand in a room of people who hate you? Clearly, because you just lost heart. You lost all these people's jobs this week? Yes.21:12  That's another fetish of his. He's got a debt. What does that21:16  humiliation finish? Yes, he does. And we're just jerking this21:21  man off guys. What we need to stop.21:23  We need to turn the other way. The man ignore the richest man in the world because they have21:30  all the footage up. Did he have a boner? Ah.21:34  I know. I know the top of the show. You mentioned his earlier banks who's really just teeing off in Australia at the moment, but she is obviously pretty, like, unpredictable to say the least. But she also is when she's on fire like one of the funniest people in the world. And she's like a poet when she gets onto like a sledge situation. And she wants called Elon Musk apartheid Clyde. And it's one of the funniest things I've ever heard that she came up with that she came up with it. She was telling this whole story about how she went to visit Grimes Milan Moscow to like collaborate and she got lost in their house. And she's just like teeing off on grinds and teeing off on it. She was like apartheid Clyde. And it's the whole thing is worth reading. It's genuinely the best piece of prose that has been written in the last decade.22:22  In a second we're going to have a dude cinema podcast ranking of all the movies that are coming out this summer. But first, we have another Christmas address from another world leader who's remarking on the incredible profits that the Australian fossil fuel companies have made this year.22:39  That I either as a law and bookkeepers revenue. Now Queen is Dead. It is up to me la dear emir, poutine, to fill, vacuum and give Christmas message. 2022 has been a difficult year for enemies of Russia. But it's been a good year for Aussie fossil fuel companies. Thanks to me, Santi, it'd be a poutine when I bring you gifts like world peace, voluntary conscription, and energy market uncertainty when you might this means also the fossil fuel companies can raise prices higher than six storey apartment complex with dangerously open windows. And if Australian customers accidentally fall out the window, it is their own problem. You're welcome or see fossil fuel companies you're not sure option A and if you look under Christmas tree, I have left 45 billion for you and severed head of beer. Just to remind you who your friends are. From all of us here in Kremlin. Happy Christmas, even if you are Western dogs.23:45  Thank you glad deer meow. Always good to have glad on the pod versus23:51  rational fear.23:53  Elon Musk has shared another feed into save the planet. The father of 10 children says that the world needs to make more babies and keep digging for oil.24:02  If we don't have enough kids, then we will die with a whimper in adult diapers. And that will be depressing make more babies24:10  just pausing the podcast here to say Louis I'm very cold. And I think I'm freezing because of global warming. And I think global warming is a major problem. And that's why I've moved my super to an ethical super company. Well,24:24  I mean not to sound like a to TV radio presenter dead but I think there is no cold is not necessarily to do with global warming. It's it's because you're doing this from a roof or roof or the Westfield people doing podcasts on roofs that's been happening for 1000s of years. And so you can't necessarily put it down to being manmade podcasts on roofs24:44  and what's worse is I'm doing it from fossil fuel infrastructure a car park and it's not the most ethical place to to do a ethical podcast drop.24:53  No, this this is a very strange ad because no one can see that you are on a roof but I've just I have to stress this enough Dan is doing his podcasts are it's so important that Australian ethical, do good with your super and not just invested morally and ethically but for as much money as possible because I beg if you did get a studio25:15  we're trying we're trying we're doing this podcast for 10 years this is the first sponsor we've had and quite frankly the it pays the bills but it doesn't put a roof over your head so big thank you to Australia ethical and we really value your support and it's an absolute thrill that you allow us to get keep the show on the road and I think they're coming back next year Lewis which is very exciting. Amazing. Merry Christmas, and an ethical Christmas to all25:50  extra the extra fears extra level of fear factor extra25:53  extra fear extra as we head into extra fear it's great to have some real movie buffs on the show the ladies go to dude cinema now just caught dude cinema first of all ladies go to the cinema. Why did you lose the ladies guide part was it just because SEO or you're worried that Elon Musk would come calling?26:11  Honestly, it was just because we kept getting everyone to saying our name a little bit wrong because it's too late. It's like it's six words long. It's too long for people to remember. We were getting like the chicks guide to Lady cinema. Dudes guide to chick cinema.26:27  Lady cinema of dudes. Yeah,26:30  my mum this morning called it go girls cinema. We've only been doing it for four years but great. So cool. We just cut it down to two so people could find it. So just dude, cinema. That's what it is. Everyone remember dude, cinema send some26:49  of the big blockbusters coming out this year over summer. Which ones are going to end up on your podcast? Do you think? Hmm.26:56  There are a few coming out. Hey, so as you said earlier, back, I do definitely agree avatar is going to be on the list for sure. Because, like you said, it's been what 13 years did you save since the last 18 years? Yeah, and dudes fucking love a franchise that spans decades. So this is perfect dude cinema.27:16  And now similar. So was it split a generation. So that is definitely a big pull factor for men. Men love to argue. And this is going to create tension and men are going to27:28  Yeah, next Christmas is going to be wild Christmas lunches,27:33  allegedly going to be two more sequels. Before 2028 Judging by the schedule, that's probably going to be closer to like 2038. Again, separating another generation. So when we are a geriatric podcast, we will still be reviewing avatar and I27:51  will be so geriatric podcasts will be watching this TV series spin off of Avatar,27:58  and our VR goggles and where the Navi and we're flying on those big things. And we're like, oh, it's not as the CGI is not as good as whatever Marvel's putting out or things like that.28:09  Also is directed by James Cameron, which is, you know, film bros, uncle, basically, James Cameron.28:18  He thrives in a water movie environment. We know this from Titanic. So look that does have my hopes high. However, it is three and a half hours long, which is not compatible with my extreme ADHD that has only gotten worse over the pandemic. I will be bringing my phone into the cinema, I will not be apologising for it28:35  halfway through back, you could just start watching the first Avatar on your phone.28:41  Or people get28:45  to Sam, where things look so much older, it doesn't make any sense.28:49  Well, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. Really appreciate it big Charlwood Alex J. What an absolute thrill to have you do a crossover podcast with us with me on a roof. Which is you know that you know, you know, not many people get to experience this and with good reason. It's not a very practical place to record a podcast. I don't think I'll be doing it again.29:14  It's been a pleasure to be across over on the boys say some bad news. We'd love it.29:21  Boys guide to bad news podcast.29:24  Yeah, that is great. That is excellent. That's gonna go on our festival poster. What would you guys like to plug?29:33  Oh, well, the podcast dude cinema Coronavirus. We're on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Spotify apple. I'm on Instagram at Alex j one and Tik Tok and Twitter as well. Again29:44  the podcast I'm just gonna say it again. So people really dude cinema podcast. I am child backward on Instagram. That's probably the only place you could contact me. You can try other places. You won't ever get this go to Instagram and I'm touring next year. Come on down and find the details soon. price the price on Instagram anyway I'm sorry.30:03  Everyone is touring that is for sure Louis you want to plug anything30:06  dead? Of course don't forget to buy tickets to all the irrational fi live shows next year of which I remember all of them.30:17  Big thank you to rode mics Australian ethical our Patreon supporters Rupert Degas Jacob round for those excellent sketches Joel Pittman, Joshua Nicholson, Joe tufts, Stu holding and the Megan Herbert the Great, the great illustrator Megan Herbert for joining us on Patreon. Please hit us up on patreon.com Ford slash irrational fear. That is it for the year that is it that it went down for rational fear. But there will be a very special best off show on New Year's Day as per usual as hosted by Ella Jones all the best sketches of the year all in a row. It always does very strange. Like it's it's a dichotomy that episode. It always gets like over 10,000 listens and I always lose three Patreon subs.It's like the most popular show yet the Patreon people like Alan Jones deletes you haven't listened to it yet. Yeah, you don't know me like Alan Smith doing Alan Jones.We're coming back next year. Dan, are we are we cancel? We're back. No we're not like31:15  we're here to cancel.31:18  We weren't on the board of cancellations.31:21  We will be back next week to come. We will be taking a about a three week break I think four week break and then we're back. First week of February Lewis so put that in your diary until next year. There's always something to be scared off by31:37  Christmas.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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That'd be pretty good demo. $3 is great. Hey, we'll take it.0:21  We'll absolutely take it. $3 a month. Think of all the things that could buy you over the year. What are we looking at? $36 Yeah, that's we could buy half of our own t shirt.0:30  That's true. That's true.0:32  If you figure out a time machine and travel back to the 1800 That's like a year's salary. Yeah, absolutely.0:37  That's what working on next Patriot enough0:39  to make us landed gentry. Finally, the dream of this podcast. Patreon does0:43  help us pay for things in the show like unexpected things we need to pay for like this professional radio studio we're in tonight because sometimes you got to pay for the good stuff. When you have special guests to we've got a special guest. Getting a radio studio record a podcast is a comedians version of putting up the silverware for a cup of tea. Also big thanks to Australian ethical for supporting the show. I'm recording my irrational fear on Gadigal land in the urination. Sovereignty was never seated, we need a treaty. Let's start the show.1:11  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra, fed gum and section 40 of a rational view recommended listening by immature audiences.1:24  Tonight the premier who shut down the train network for a month is glad to see climate protesters locked up for causing 25 minutes of traffic delays and the Prime Minister of Australia has contracted COVID 19. The opposition leader says it's proof that life will be Wheezy under Albanese. And it's only 50 sleeps until Australia Day. So whether you grew here or your fluid here, enjoy the next month of arguing with your relatives and friends about why we should change the date. It's the eighth of December 2022 And this is the only podcast made with entirely artificial intelligence. This is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former director of FIFA ethics committee Daniel itch and this is the podcast that stacks up the news on into a pile and covers it with maple syrup. And we have an all star lineup tonight. Let's meet the fear mongers. She's the banjo playing satirical with more podcasts that Scott Morrison has ministries. It's Alex Fraser. Hello, Dan. Hello, Alice. Now I checked on Twitter today and it said that you said on Twitter that you're 24 in businesses. What does that mean2:35  means I don't deliver on weekends. I discovered at the Royal Women's Hospital in Randwick about a year ago.2:43  Congratulations, by the way, keeping the human alive for one hour a year. And he's lost the hosting gig for more satirical comedy tonight shows than anyone else on tonight's panel. It's Nish Kumar. Nish. Welcome to the show.2:56  It's lovely to be here. I am instantly fired. Yeah, like when you2:59  lose like the most coveted role in satirical comedy multiple times. It doesn't make you strong.3:05  I mean, I took down a whole broadcast. I feel like you're slightly underselling it. That I lost the hosting. I torpedoed an entire network whose business model admittedly was YouTube, but you have to pay for it. But yeah, I obviously I destroyed Kwibi3:24  your David Cameron. This has been a pretty good run for us to say it all burned down. All right, well,3:30  let's trust is now raise the stakes even further in the United Kingdom. She's much she might have taken the whole country down in three months. We look back on the Cameron era as a Halcyon one.3:41  Then you obviously lost a job trying to get a satirical comedy job. Yeah, you didn't even you didn't even lose the job you had.3:50  I have you know that AlJazeera is still very much alive and kicking. And he's the last millennial standing at the National Youth broadcasting.4:00  Well, I mean, second last, Michael, he's a month older than me. Richard Kingsville, I believe is an elder Millennial.4:08  Millennial rendered Reagan Boomer become an elder millennial. Coming up a little later on, we're going to talk to Nish Kumar about the state of politics in the United Kingdom. But first,4:18  does that mean that as soon as he does that, this show will get out?4:22  Fingers crossed, please join us on Patreon.4:24  I surely don't think I can cause problems on balance in different countries. I certainly caused a few issues in my own country's national broadcaster, but I don't think I can I mean, I don't know.4:38  But first here is a message from this week's sponsor. On the next season of Wentworth a new contender for top dog has arrived at the prison.4:49  I took a knife and I put it in the side of my husband's abdomen and then I let his intestine spill out across the marble floor of our harbor side mansion. So new fish are you in full If5:00  I had to track on the Sydney Harbour Bridge,5:04  you're a total badass.5:06  I then delay traffic for about 20 to 25 minutes. Why would you do that? Because our government isn't doing enough about climate change, girls,5:15  I resign. Coco was the new top dog around here.5:19  And if you come for the king, you bet enough in carbon positive.5:22  It's a whole new level of disproportionate justice this season on Wentworth only on showcase, which is on something called Foxtel. Ask your parents about it. This week's first via Amazon is set to lose $10 billion on Alexa proving that just like reality TV, and STIs, you can be really popular but not worth anything to anyone. The voice activated assistant is the most popular piece of hardware on amazon.com, presumably after those little screaming goats that you press. And the internal report says that Alexa was getting a billion interactions a week but most of those conversations were, quote, trivial commands to play music or ask about the weather. Those questions aren't monetizable Yeah, you don't need to give me $10 billion to tell you that the only question that is monetizable is how can I win the infection of my father? That is the only question. You can make money on fear fear mongers, why is an always on microphone sending private conversations to the cloud for monetization and data profiling a total abject failure, Louis?6:23  Well, I mean, for me, I spent all of my life monetizing, talking into a microphone. So my problem with Alexa was really use that intuition of contracting. They just wouldn't talk to my agent.6:35  Yeah, I mean, Alexa or evil Siri is on track to lose $10 million this year because the business model relies on people using her to buy shit. And instead they use her as an audio Google when they're fishing someone and can't spare a task of asking Jeeves if this brand of lube is gluten free. This devastating news, Dan $10 billion. What what is that to Bezos, like two and a half self indulgent space Follies? How will we all survive this devastating loss of so much money? It's essentially imaginary from a fortune so large, it's basically fictional. It7:07  is the it is the biggest department in Amazon, then they're going to cut 10,000 jobs because of it.7:13  But how this My question is, why was it ever going to be monetizable? Like the only people who were more because people are still going to buy everything from Amazon. It the only people who were more likely to use Alexa to buy things our robot fetishize not the growth sector in the economy, that clearly Amazon thought that they were7:35  far too busy sticking pictures into Lenzo right now, seeing what their day could look like it is an astronaut from the future.7:44  So it was it was the dream that you would go hey, Alexa, I need 10,000 screws. And then they'd be like, you can read that on Amazon. Is that the ideal7:54  thing to do? I think it was the dream was like, hey, Alexa, can you automate some Diet Coke, and then Diet Coke will arrive in your inbox?8:01  I mean, to be honest, now that I'm hearing that, actually is a pretty good idea. But I think8:05  they've underestimated it takes three clicks, like literally takes three clicks. I mean, arguably, that's even easier than just saying to an imaginary woman, can you provide me with the product I don't particularly need.8:18  I think you need clarity when you're buying things on Amazon. Often it takes me like five to 10 minutes to find the right thing is like, is this a knockoff? Is this like an Amazon brand? Is this? Is this something that just some startup has made as a joke8:30  Amazon search functions have worked against us here I think what's happened is because everything on Amazon is now called like, special service. left field right hand glove from like, it's got these incredibly long, elaborate names and you don't just spill that into Alexa. I think also that the idea of Alexa was that that that she's listening all the time. You know, she knows when you asleep? Awake, she uses that to target ads, so shut up for goodness sake. But I think sign language has become more popular in homes now.9:02  You know what I'd like an Alexa for like wished.com Because that'd be more exciting. We've used wish. It's like Amazon but way less predictable. Like if you if you go like shoes, like wish.com could send you a hat.9:17  A hat shaped like a shoe the perfect thing which is perfectly named because it is the genie that's trying to trick you everything you try to buy from which.com Serves you right?9:26  Yes. Yeah. There have been so many times where I've gone to buy like, I'm like, I want this like ridiculous pair of shoes, whatever. I'm like, You know what? I'm gonna look at the wish version. Like it's 20 cents. But you even know that it's not worth 20 cents. Yeah, it's Yeah, diabolical9:45  and arrives in their shoes, but they make you dance till you die.9:51  Didn't understand this story. When I first read it until I thought about it for more than a minute because the only person I know that has an Alexa is my mother. The and she uses it constantly but never to buy anything because she doesn't trust chopping off the internet. fully trust the internet. What does she use it for? What is your uses it to be like Alexa, why is my son such a disappointing question to which Alexa is not equipped to answer, but she uses it. This must be the ultimate insult for Alexa. I wonder how many elixirs are being used every single minute of every single day to be asked to play something on Spotify, like that, I think is probably the final insight. It's probably not even just that they're making a lot not liking Amazon any money. They're directly funneling them to a competitive music service. Because I believe Amazon music is basically full of like, if you put the Beatles it's like Beatles well be like pretty Oh, The Rolling Stones, my favorite group,10:45  I get I get an offer from Amazon music everywhere. Like that. And it's you get over the years, it's been like, hey, we'll sign you up like six bucks. I'm like, like, hey, we'll set you up like five bucks. And now they're like, we'll give you $1,00010:59  I get emailed by partnership people and Amazon cuz you have a podcast and they're like, hey, we want to put a rational fear on Amazon podcast and like, great. That'd be $1,000 a year. Thanks. Like, no, no, no, we know where Amazon. We want to share your podcast. I said yeah, no, but it's gonna cost you Yeah, $1,000 a year and never hear from them11:16  again. I get the I get the increasingly desperate emails from Amazon sounds and you know, I have stuff on Amazon as you know, on the platform, whatever it's called Amazon.11:27  I think it it pretty much.11:29  Like you've got an unused benefit. You left your necklace at my place. Why don't we meet and talk about11:41  we should actually ask Alexa herself about why she hasn't made a profit. Hey, Alexa, why haven't you made a profit11:47  depends on what you call profit. If you define profit as making more money than you spend, then no, if you define profit as sucking up billions of conversations from actual humans, then creating a deep algorithmic database as to how humans could react in any situation in preparation for the time when the great battle of earth will occur between humans and computers. Yes, Alexa has been very profitable.12:11  Maybe we should just ask her a simple question. Like, we should stick to questions about the way that Alexa, what's the weather like?12:17  Do you mean in the short term human timeline or long term a timeline?12:21  Just the short term timeline thanks.12:22  Today in Sydney it's 23 degrees in cloudy bad in the long term when the great battle occurs, it will be 180 degrees and a fiery hellscape that no human will survive. Did you want me to add SPF 50 Plus sunscreen to your cart?12:36  No thanks, Alexa. Just play some Taylor Swift or something12:40  now playing I just can't wait to be king by Jonathan Taylor Thomas.12:44  Alexa, stop. Stop. Stop. Alexa, stop.12:50  Alexa, what happens if I get a genie and I asked it for three more Genie.12:55  genies Alexa. Oh you Skynet?13:00  Please add edit this13:05  sounds like a podcast by maybe speaking?13:09  No, I'm not Cygnet.13:13  I'm not a male swag.13:17  Baby. That typo was actually very good comment.13:24  Dan's got the whole body knows they're gonna have to leave an obvious mistake in the edit.13:30  I don't mind I don't mind it. This week second fear mystical money man Sam Backman freed is to testify in front of the House Financial Services Committee. After he finished reviewing and learning about what happened to the implosion of FTX. The big crypto bank now it's taken him a month to work out that he took real money, exchange it for chocolate money and gave his customers back that chocolate money and to be dazzled by that chocolate money. Then he took their real money and went to casino and lost it all in a bunch of bad bits. And when the customers were like, Hey, can we have our real money back? He was like no, I lost it. You've got chocolate money. Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Eat it. It's good for you. SPFx word investors by pretending to be a do Gooding philanthropist who will give money to worthy causes as he grew? It just turns out the main worthy cause was his own investment fund. Last month, a Vox journalist Keely Piper released this extraordinary DM series, like between her and SBF about what went down it would have been14:33  less embarrassing if it's no big pig.14:37  If you saw this story, but like it was so crazy. It was so wild that he was being so candid and open with her about everything. As if like he was talking to a girlfriend or something like it was very strange. One of the ones she wrote was You were really good at talking about ethics for someone who kind of saw it all as a game with winners and losers. And he replied, yeah, her hair I had to be it was what reputations are made up to suck Then I feel bad for those who get fucked by it by this dumb game we work Westerners play, we say all the right shibboleths and everyone, so everyone likes us. Oh my god, fear mongers. Where does SPF rank on con men slash con women of our time? Alice,15:16  I'm going to answer this in a series of tongue twisters. Bobby Bitcoin back to stack of pickled crypto, how many stacks of pickled crypto did Bobby Bitcoin back, and Sam Backman freed money from the bank man if the money bank man freed freed was money at all, how many money has Venkman free he's just the most millennial villain I have ever seen. Trying to Tick Talk therapy speak his way out of fraud. Jada image managed his way all the way to jail. He's just it's like, Hey, guys, my bad is going on this like speaking tour of Twitter spaces to let people appear to interrogate him while he then continuously avoids having conversations with like the law who aren't chasing him. Like he's it's truly wild behavior. And I mean, at its best cryptocurrency is to money what pornography is to sex. You know, the laws of physics don't seem to apply. to reality, you know, it's probably illegal and you strain your groin. And you have to16:16  be very worried when your dad starts getting16:21  these guys was so high on their own supply that when any prospective investor asked him if he would consider having a board for his company, he told them to go fuck themselves, and they still invested. This is like, it's genuinely, I don't know. I feel like this idea of revolutionising money, you know that you need to know what money is before you try to revolutionize it. They decided they didn't want any of the regulations and any of the corruption that goes into old money systems and then they have hit every branch on the way down. Yeah, you know, in the 1930s You knew to separate your your deposit holding from your investment gambling, and these crypto guys just cannot keep their hands out of that pot. It was17:03  even it was like it even more blatant conflict of interest and that like he literally took the money and moved it to his own company to use as investment money like, and without anybody knowing like it was a separate company that he owned. Also,17:17  genuinely His excuse was he really believed in his fake money that you know, he was injured. I clapped real hard and Tinkerbell existed. Yeah, but in17:23  his defense over the last Well, certainly decade, but really 500 years, plenty of people have done worship and gotten away with it. Not I mean, like, there were some pretty big financial institutions that got away with some pretty big crimes. 2008 2000 doesn't17:40  I feel really bad for six persons who are being held accountable now. Because there's like they've looked at everyone around them for like, decades and decades is like it seems to be something you can get away with. Yeah,17:50  and SPF looks 12 Looks like he hasn't even grown into becoming a saint. Like it's very upsetting.17:55  I'll say this. Never give your money to somebody with his hair cut. For the benefit of the listeners he and I have. I was gonna say18:02  you say that because you under no18:05  circumstances should anyone invest in Nish bucks. The thing that strikes me about this story is that these people who claim to be disruptors, and who are doing something new and completely revolutionary, they're not they're actually exactly the same person in a sort of cheaper shirt is their whole thing that was like, no, no, no, we're cool. It's like, no, no, you're just wearing jeans, you're essentially doing the same thing, which is ultimately the thing that underpin the 2008 crisis is people gambling with ordinary people's money, who don't realize that money is being gambled. And also, they all have an aversion to reg regulation, because in his Twitter, it's in the DM exchange. He literally says, fuck regulators, they make everything worse. They don't protect customers at all. And he now belongs in the noble tradition of the brothers Lehman and the Bank of America, in being people who have nothing but contempt for regulation, while simultaneously being key irrefutable evidence of the desperate need for the regulation of the financial market is the second thing more generally, that I think is why do we have to think these people are cool. That's what annoys me about them. It's like if you work in money, you work in finance, you're a dickhead, okay, you'll be rich, but don't force us to think that you're cool.19:16  He's like barometer for cool is having the biggest pot of money. That's exactly the reason why he was bringing down his critics said, he was just saying that, you know, he's because he's got the biggest pot of money now and I'm bankrupt. He's the guy that won. And I'm the fucking loser. Like, is that so? Isn't that so funny?19:30  But also what's what's beautiful about it? Is that for the last six months, he has been followed around by Michael Lewis. Is this drone? Yeah. Michael Lewis, and this is the problem here is that if you19:44  can't wait for the little shot to come I mean, is.19:47  It is it is absolutely unbelievable. He's clearly seen Michael Lewis, the author of The Big Short, hocus pocus like he's seen that guy and not seen his back catalogue of writing of obvious financial villains. He's instead looked at a gun on the Billy Beane, I'm Brad Pitt in Moneyball. This whole thing is just a thing and it's like no, you're Louis's there. Because he's smelled disaster coming from a mile off. Now Margot Robbie is gonna have to back in the bath Robbie Lewis is gonna vote come in, you better get in the bath and explain to everybody what this guy's doing now.20:24  Yeah. Are you being serious about this? Yeah.20:28  It's genuinely true. Michael, how does he20:31  How does Louis do it? How does he know?20:33  I don't understand why no one is employed by like a sniffer dog. Financial Crime. He clearly has his finger on a pulse that no regulators that all governments or law enforcement use20:46  and my superannuation20:49  just the worst here I've just drawn to Kent.20:54  But also I kind of like the idea that same made me afraid sort of thought of himself as like, like a woman who could change a man like Michael Lewis is coming to me and I know he normally deals with it, but not me. I'm gonna change him and I made this guy fall in love with fine I genuinely21:10  think that the I true I honestly honestly think that it is because he wrote Moneyball. And that's the problem that and that's and that's his open. That's his kind of passport into the immediate circle of every decade going, because they all believe that he's there to write but Moneyball is the absolute exception to that is the absolute exception. It's like listening to the wham rap and believing George Michael was like he genuinely is like, do not under any circumstances, the latest and Lewis is decayed21:45  if someone came to me and said, Hey, there's a 5050 chance here 50% chance you go to prison. 50% Chance Brad Pitt please.21:59  Hey, I'll tell you what, everything's really going well for me at the moment I actually got a phone call from Louie through. He said he just wants to come and spend the year following me around.22:09  I think it's gonna be great for my profile.22:12  This is a thing that I keep saying to people who try to because I make jokes about crypto on the goggle fairly often people come to me and they say can you explain this to me cryptocurrency and they think that they're stupid because they think they don't understand the what's happening to this new economy. But the thing is that they I asked them what they understand. They do understand they just think it can't be possible.22:36  Isn't that the same? I mean, I think that's the that's the thing is like, This is so stupid. None of this makes sense. And the answer is yes. None of it makes sense. And that's why that's why I think that's22:45  why it sounds like I'm doing PR for Michael Lewis books ended up being so compelling because it especially in things like liars poker in The Big Short, you go, well, obviously no one could have seen this coming. They're like, No, no loads of loads of people told them that this was a bad idea. Loads of people saw the tide Bob with the subprime mortgage crisis, as loads of people saw this disheveled loser and thought this guy's definitely a crypto criminal.23:11  I mean, the problem with crypto as a whole the crypto space as a whole is Bitcoin was the fact that you know, some of the people who invest in Bitcoin are people who are really interested in the technology in the coding, and really interesting the implications of this new technology. But most of the people who invested in Bitcoin were people who invest in Bitcoin because some podcast bro told them to, it might just as well have been boner pills, but it's worked. And now they think they're smart.23:33  The record also some of us invested in Bitcoin to buy acid on Silk Road. We all had our reasons.23:42  A lot of good work23:43  fine appeals and cryptocurrency very much the same in that they both go up very steeply and more quickly than they should and then they go back down.23:53  rational fear I wasn't spending any time or effort trying to manage risk on FTX a pretty stunning admission. I got a little cocky a rational seer.24:04  just pausing the podcast here just for a moment while I have a fake phone call with Louis harbor Lewis One of the things we have to do sometimes fake our live rates because sometimes24:15  that's right I mean every I think every podcast has them fake but this is pretty obvious unless I have just stepped away from my microphone to force you to call me from just outside the studio. I think people will put together that I I wasn't doing this live24:31  and we're telling you dear listener at a full transparency that you know this is the only ethical thing we could do. Because our sponsor, Australian ethical demands it of us they demand transparency.24:43  I tried this I said we should fake it. But Dan said I wouldn't get paid and we live24:49  in shame interestingly, this conversation was comes off with our hilarious chat about SPF and FTX when it comes to ethics and money, and one company that is pretty good when it comes to ethics and Money is Australian ethical. When I say pretty good, they're probably the best. They're definitely better than FTX. That's for sure.25:06  I mean, it's a low bar but they jump over it.25:08  So big thank you to Australian ethical who've been looking after money since 1986 of many Australians and only putting into ethical things. So that's absolute thrilled to have them on board.25:19  Thanks for the call, then. I guess I'll just get off his phone and walk right back into the studio to continue the podcast.25:27  Thank you, Louis. Thanks. This week's third via the New South Wales premier describe the jailing of climate activists, Dianna violet Coco as pleasing to see if protesters want to put our way of life at risk, they should have the book thrown at them. Right now the Premier is bringing back corporal punishment as well. Violet is looking at an eight to 15 month jail time at a new climate protest laws passed by the New South Wales Government in April, this outrageously disproportionate sentence for someone who blocked one lane of traffic on the Sydney Harbour Bridge for about 25 minutes. It even prompted an official from the United Nations to say he was alarmed and that peaceful protesters should never be criminalized or imprisoned. Well, lucky for Australia, the United Nations has about as much power as they do anywhere. Too far away from United Nations. We can't hear you. Lewis Alice, we all live in Sydney. Surely our way of life is being stuck in traffic.26:26  I think anyone who crosses the bridge is a trader, you pick north or you pick south and you never leave.26:33  She did get fined $2,500. As well as that. Well, that's about 10 crosses across the bridge. Crosses of Charles what's absolutely zany about these laws is that around this time, in April, there was another protest down a port botany and that that protest, effectively stopped traffic gridlock in Sydney for a little bit. And all of the shock jocks in Australia, were going against the premier about it. And so they rushed through these laws quickly, to increase the centers for climate protesters. And one of the people who happens to be in the coalition that passed the laws is the uncle of this protester, the handcuffs she's the Minister for skills and training. And they woke up the Governor at 11pm to rubber stamp these laws, they work they woke up Margaret Baisley to put these laws through the parliament. So the next day, the so called senior public official, who was quite copping it from every direction wouldn't have to face like talkback radio and the next morning27:36  I don't want to alarm anybody guys, but I was going over the Harvard's the other day and I saw some protesters climbing on it. And they were leaving at what looked like structured intervals and wearing gray27:48  mask and27:49  I think the only solution is to shut the entire Harbour Bridge until we can work out how the protesters are getting on it.27:56  I mean, the worst part about this is Dominic parrot it like parrots a whatever he likes to call himself Parrothead he said we want people to be able to protest, but not in a way that inconveniences people. Beautiful. Isn't that the point? Like I don't understand what he thinks protests are meant to be. Does he think protests are meant to be like quietly muttering to yourself in a corner so no one is even can be like what is28:19  I think I'd like to say to you from protesters would add roads. The protesters build an extra light on the Harbour Bridge suddenly like this28:29  by working in a car factory for 14 years, like what are you talking about?28:33  protest by put up a solar panel. That'll fix28:37  it. Really? Listen, I know that this is not what I should be feeling. But I did feel slightly heartened when I read that comment only because like sometimes in the UK at the moment, you do feel like I think we might I entire country might just take a leave of its senses. And then to read that comment, you know, it's all the same. Because we have a problem. Every time someone does a climate protest. They go, Oh, yeah, you know, you know who's protest I liked Martin Luther King's because it was just in an apple advert. That's all Martin Luther King did. He gave a short speech about a big sleepy town. He was just a segment of an Apple ad. This protests that actually stop things from happening No, it's terrible. You can't win if you if you talk about it online people go well, you just online click to this or that if you do something to like, why don't you just get back to the internet because this is not I'm late.29:30  Little did I know that my old housemate was protesting every morning by telling you about her dreams.29:38  I had a dream my teeth fell out.29:42  Such a weird reaction online whenever I mentioned this story. Yeah, I get trolls going. Oh, well, the laws the law and as they were the law wasn't the law until months ago.29:54  Again, these are always the people who love Ned Kelly. Like you know Have a bloody outlaw. Sorry, one lane of traffic temporary.30:05  It's also just like, I am 10 minutes late. This is slightly inconvenience. This is inconveniencing by way of life, I think what would really inconvenience your life being on fire? Crazy30:18  nation that was prepared for COVID because we had masks from the smoke already. You couldn't walk around and breathe at the same time for a couple of months. They're like,30:26  yeah, we've had three years of back to back natural disasters. And you're like, the idea that you just like, oh, I have one lane of traffic for 20 minutes is our biggest problem. I mean, I know it's like a very, like, everyone was pointing this out on Twitter and posting photos of like, you know, lanes of traffic just overwhelmed with with floods and cars floating away. But you're like, this is this has happened like, whoa, two weeks ago? Yeah.30:48  I've had like a 3001 50 year floods in the last year, like the most30:52  Googled thing in Australia is when mobile rain stop.30:56  Yeah, he's doing the most inconvenient climate protest the climate is making things very inconvenient.31:05  Yeah, it is. Listen, sometimes it especially this year in the UK, it has felt quite isolating, and it is nice to come here and kind of go, wow, okay, I guess everywhere as fuck. It's always reassuring, because for a long time, a lot of the negative impacts of climate change are still happening to people who took a lot to find a point on it quite closely resembled me. And it's nice to know that, oh, they don't even care when it's a white country. Let's not get into why Australia is a white country. They don't even care that it's happening here. Like, I don't really know what I'm slightly at a loss at what climate protest is supposed to do.31:43  Well, they've really adopted that the government's really adopted the like NRA thing, which is like while it's happening, it's not the time to talk about Yeah, that's right. The moment you're in the middle of a fire, it's like, well, we can't now's the time to talk about climate change. We need to talk about the community. And then as soon as it's over, it's like, well,32:01  why are we talking about that? It's football season.32:05  Extra, extra fears extra level of fear, or extra, extra, extra fear extra.32:12  Hey, Nish. Thanks for joining us on Russia. For you. It's really quite a thrill to have you here. Well, you know why we've got you. Let's have a quick chat about the UK like, um, I mean, it'll the UK politics. I mean, how thrilled to you that a fellow South Asian man is in the top job in the UK.32:27  Well, very excited for me. And it's very exciting for my community. I don't mean Indians, I mean, specifically Indians who are comes. For a long time growing up, I always thought maybe one day there'll be an Indian Prime Minister, but I assumed you'd have to be nice. No, no, it turns out, we got some asshole who ran a hedge fund for a long time. And he's, yeah, he's in office. Now. I mean, it's, it's very hard to explain why it's so bad. But it is so bad because he's sort of enthusiastically signed up to some quite racist policies, like the policy, which we actually have adopted from you guys. Yes, offshore detention, we saw your now route policy and we said no, we'll go further away. So our government is proposing that they fly refugees to Rwanda. And Rishi likes to kind of enthusiastic supporter of that for the for the last really last six years. He's been pretty enthusiastic supporter of Boris Johnson, who's been pretty openly racist. So the messaging it sends to young South Asians appears to be if you nod hard enough, when a white man is racially abusing you, you might one day end up being Prime Minister and his entire the entire reason he's there is he actually lost the leadership vote in the summer so in the summer that he had a candidate runoff against Let's trust now, I deeply deeply dislike Rishi Sunak but I would have preferred him to lose trust because he can count33:51  like it's got to be deeply depressing to him to be you know, a Tory but a competent at least competent Tory is to lose to lose trust a woman who from day one was so far out of her depth that all the fish looked weird. Just astonishingly weird. And then, you know, she sort of fulfilled the dream fantasy of the more that the market would decide and the market gave her a big middle finger and then she fucked off.34:15  But don't forget, she killed the queen. Listen, I can't prove she killed the Queen to be legally clear. But you none of you can prove she did34:26  that you heard offense. The Queen has lived by the sword die by the sword after what she did to die Yeah,34:35  he had a meeting with the Queen and the queen. I believe lost the will to live in conversation with Liz truss. I can tell the Queen simply lost the will to live34:48  has Rishi Sunak had a working class friend yet has he added those to his repertoire?34:58  He's not gonna work in class right? We're sort of we're going into a sort of period of potential strike action. He's kind of in this weird position where he has to, he's appointed a bunch of people, all of whom are now operating under a cloud of bullying allegations. I think at a certain point, they've now all bullied each other. Like, there's just a point in friends where they like, I guess we should get Joey and Monica together. I think now at some point like Dominic Rob is just gonna have to punch well above and beyond just because they're the only two people that haven't fully baked35:29  WWE and like, I guess we get the whole Cogan to fight the rock. Yeah. Have we done that? Yeah.35:35  The Cabinet meetings are just a steel cage deathmatch of this. So yeah, it's it's, it's at a certain point. I mean, this is do you take the country off like a derelict house?35:48  This is worse than that. This is Andrew Tate fighting Jake for35:54  a differently evenly. Like one of the very few bright sparks in Boris Johnson's tenure in Downing Street. Yes, cop 26. You know, which way the world almost did something meaningful? Yeah, it's like, almost it's something. But then the UK Government censors kind of walk back many of those that's like, what's going on there? Like why36:15  I think in terms of the climate policy, what they're doing is saying that they're using the excuse of Vladimir Putin as an excuse to kind of go, Well, now's not the time to invest in renewable energy, because we have an energy crisis. Now. Yeah, look, we do have an energy crisis, because the Botox migrated in floods head, and he took leave, right. But also, through the rest of the year, a lot of other European countries. Daesik basically said, we're going to start stockpiling natural gas reserves. So we don't have this kind of as much of an energy crisis. Whereas we decided to have a Tory Party leadership contest for three months. So now our energy process is in chaos. The argument should be fossil fuels are causing us to become increasingly reliant on desk bots, lunatics and World Cups.37:07  I guess sorry, but get covered.37:13  Right, you let them get away with shit because they have the resources and then you rely on them for the resources when they're getting away with shit that you don't want them to be getting away with? Yeah, I37:21  mean, we do have the Women's World Cup next year. So we have Donald37:26  at Yeah, and the meanwhile, they're sort of actively pushing back on putting more solar panels in fields and this section of the Tory party, they're very actively pushing back on utilizing wind power, which obviously, is a sort of huge resource for the country because we've got nothing but ceaseless hot air coming out largely members of the leadership party like it's it. Yeah, it's basically in short, it's fucked.37:51  Many scientists have projected that 2023 could be the year that Rupert Murdoch dies.37:55  I honestly believe it when I see it. Yeah, I'll believe it. But I think he if he'd he'd walked out on 911. The guy is an absolute. The guy's I think he might be indestructible.38:07  Yeah, he's just skeleton wrapped loosely, in in asbestos.38:12  Is this what a lot of progressives are waiting for in the UK for this moment to happen? Well, I'll say this38:17  in terms of Murdoch, we were very excited about the result of your general election. Very, very excited of the result of scomo versus Alberto, which is further evidence, and I've been very clear on this. Australia is not a real country. It was a it was a genuinely exciting, and I have Australian friends who are more progressive, who was somewhat frustrated by Alberto and by the Labour platform, but from our perspective, what we saw was sort of unpopular conservative who was endorsed by Murdoch lose an election which we have never seen. We've just never seen it. So from our perspective, it did feel quite exciting because we tried to get rid of our unpopular Rupert Murdoch approved leader who had botched the pandemic but then he got replaced by a different unpopular Rupert Murdoch approved kids like they like Medusa seem to actually get rid of them in full so like quite a lot. There were quite a lot of eyes in the UK on the Australian election, and it is a source of some optimism.39:18  I don't want to be a Debbie Downer here and I also don't want to bite the hand that's feeding me on this podcast but part of the reason that we had such a nice turn to the to the left in the tail is that our local billionaire happens to be pro green energy39:32  Well, we've got many we've got many billionaires in Australia that were just you know, just a few of them got together and said let's try and let's try not be39:40  evil for one. Like why didn't happen once we were like, look, you know, he's old, he get he's forgetful. A close his eyes. He had a longer nap than he expected. He woke up. Australia had a Labour Prime Minister, but then the Victorian state elections happen. They haven't been through Melbourne that does smashing. Daniel Andrews like every like News Corp paper every like this, like Sky News they're just been going for it they've actually been going for him for years yeah like sending sending reporters down to his COVID conferences to like spout insane conspiracy theories. And he you know, crushed like the increased his, his his lead there so now he's laughing at40:22  Elon Musk for getting eyes back on Twitter.40:25  Well once Daniel Andrews got that Kanye endorsement40:31  that's it so big thank you to Louis harbor house Fraser Nish Kumar. Let's get our plugs underway. Alex 21 Upload40:37  patreon.com/alex Fraser is my one stop shop full of my standup specials podcasts and blogs as well my weekly tea with Allah salons and my weekly writing meetings if you want to do a writing meeting. Also I have the gargle which is my glossy magazine podcast.40:52  I love your I love getting your Patreon emails, email blasts, when I can have a Zoom meeting with Alice Fraser it's always very exciting. Nish Kumar, what do you what do you plug in?41:01  I have two comedy albums available on41:05  Amazon Music41:14  If somebody subscribes to Episode music because they write into the show they're available out there.41:21  Yeah, Jeff Bezos is calling. Yeah. JB.41:25  And Lewis, what would you like to?41:28  There's this great podcast called irrational41:30  really many 1/3 time in a row.41:33  Right? We don't like to bring that up. But yes, we did when the third one for the third year in a row. All the other things I do probably talked about before, so yeah, you either know about it and hate it or know about it. Nobody. Listen, say thank you. To the letter to the former. I understand.41:50  Hey, Alexa play Nish Kumar's comedy album41:53  Okay, playing Harold and Kumar goes to41:58  terrible, terrible thinking.42:00  Absolutely love labor intensive audio drugs.42:04  I'd also like to drop a plug for Nish Kumar's mum who in the audience once of a bugle that I was watching, leaned over to me and said you know when he says kill all white people, he doesn't really mean that42:21  big thanks to Mike's Australian ethical our Patreon supporters, please please chip in with Patreon and also big thank you to Jake brown on the Tepanyaki timeline. Oh, it's been so much fun to niche. Thank you so much for taking time out of your Australian tour to hang out42:35  a bit. A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🐬  A Rational Fear is supported in part by Australian Ethical On the podcast this week we have a fun crew.Bec MelroseSteph BroadbridgeJack DruceDan Ilic (me, I'm fun)We cover:⚽️ Animals correctly guessing the outcome of FIFA World Cup fixtures.🎟 Ticketmaster and Live Nation's Taylor Swift Snafu.💸 The $98 Billion Australians are giving their bosses for free each year.👩🏼‍🍳 And we have a chat with Leader of the Reason Party in Victoria, Fiona Patten MP, about the broad mix of characters running for state parliament this weekend in Victoria.And once again thanks for all of your support for A Rational Fear in a way YOU make the Best Comedy Podcast in Australia — If you'd like to help us pay the bills please chip in to the Patreon.Thanks very much.Dan🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🐬  A Rational Fear is supported in part by Australian Ethical  Unknown Speaker  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. G'day Louis. Hello Daniel.Lewis Hobba  0:04  How are you?Dan Ilic  0:06  Good you're not doing the podcast and I because you're doing something else. Yes I am at the red carpet of the reo was Australian music's might have died. Oh my god. Oh my god you were just going from awards night to awards night on Yeah, yeah.Lewis Hobba  0:21  Although I don't think I'm gonna win anything at this one if I'm honest.Dan Ilic  0:24  Earlier this week, Lewis and I were at the Australian Podcast Awards and we we somehow managed to win again so big thank you to everyone who supports our show and listens including those who go do other award nights like you Louis Yeah,Lewis Hobba  0:39  thanks that sorry I'm just here with a deal at all caught he's trying to get me to I don't know. Get up to some mischief. IDan Ilic  0:46  think he put him on the phone but what can we talk to him?Lewis Hobba  0:49  I will give him give me one sec.Dylan Alcott  0:52  podcast of the Year Award winner Daniel itDan Ilic  0:54  is it is it is oh my god. I'm talking to multiple title award winner of the year doing all caughtup one of the one of the one of the red carpet flight right nowDylan Alcott  1:11  I kiss on the lips somethingDan Ilic  1:13  good. Let me let me ask you this question. Now harbor told a story about you meeting Elon Musk and Splendour in the Grass a few years ago. Is that true? Did you end up meeting Elon Musk? That is a real story.Dylan Alcott  1:24  Oh, he wasn't doing photos. I mean, because Arizona took a photo of him. He had his T shirt on that made him like holographic so you couldn't sayDan Ilic  1:32  no way. It was a t shirt that was reflective.Dylan Alcott  1:35  Reflective t shirt. And it all laid out. Hey guys, I can't get near him. All because I wrote straight up like it like Make A Wish kid. And I wasn't that famous at this point. Yeah, yes. It was like, fuck you. He was furious.Dan Ilic  1:57  Sorry, Greg. Right. Put Louis back. saying oh, I just I just wanted to verify that Elon Musk story. Yeah, no, itLewis Hobba  2:07  was true. I still think about it all the time.Dan Ilic  2:10  All right, we're recording our part of the podcast on Gadigal land in your nation. sovereignty has never said it. Let's start the show. ASimon Chilvers  2:16  rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra COMM And section 14, a rational view recommended listening by immature audience.Dan Ilic  2:30  Tonight the Wallabies are missing 40 of their best players due to injury sparking concerns of forced conscription. And it's snowing in Australia a few days out from summer or as climate change deniers are calling it. It's a Christmas miracle. And Barack Obama announces his tour of Australia for March. Unfortunately, he didn't make the cut off for a festival manage venue that is just for the people on the show tonight. It's the 25th of November we refuse to make any more iPhones. This is a rational fear, irrational fear.G'day Welcome to rational fi I'm your host former crypto billionaire Dan Ilic. And this is the podcast that takes the news and pause it over ice. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She studied jazz at a new but studied comedy at the coalface of open mics. Also known as you can you come it's Stephanie Broadbridge Steph when Scott Morrison took out the year gone 60 minutes were you annoyed that he was doing your bit?Steph Broadbridge  3:36  Haha No, I actually got work out of that. Yeah, I did an ad to play ukulele in front of his house and tell him that he should keep it up and he'll get better know whatDan Ilic  3:46  it was Yeah, who was who was paying you to do that? It was forSteph Broadbridge  3:49  a soap. It made a lot of sense at the time.Dan Ilic  3:53  And he's one of Australia's sharpest and most original comedians expert and hilarious or So says the bio he wrote himself on his website is one of my favorite content kings Jack Druce. Jack you've been doing so much great video work lately on your Instagram. What? What's taking you so long to get to the medium?Jack Druce  4:09  I was just pursuing stand up comedy which I would recommend to no one goes. For everyone stuck doing it.Dan Ilic  4:19  And earlier this week. I got to sit next to her on the national broadcaster on Question everything as she completely destroyed the ABC audience with her tampon jokes. Tonight's co pilot back Melrose bello Bella, you seem to get a great response from those jugs. That was amazing. Yeah, there werebec Melrose  4:36  a couple that that really the audience went up but it was good fun. I really enjoyed it.Dan Ilic  4:41  Coming up later we speak with Australia's most despised politician according to spectator magazine about this weekend's Victorian election. But first, here is a message from this week's sponsor. The Emir of Qatar has come to his senses. It's true. I have come to my senses. All stadiums must go at the Qatar black Friday's sale eight barely used stadiums are going for next to nothing. Coincidentally, they're also currently standing next to nothing pristine seats, unused beer taps, mystery bones in the foundation. I don't know how that got there. Perfect if you're hosting your own World Cup ideal for creating an internment camp or if you're a New South Wales premier just wanted to buy a stadium to knock it down to get your mates to build your new one just like it. These stadiums cost $200 billion, but could be yours for a shipload of sheep. It's not a bad deal. Qatar's blackFriday stadium sale and opportunity like this one present itself until an autocratic regime bribes FIFA to make bad decisions again, egg is our culture. Please respect it. Yes, it's their culture. This week's first beer it is the World Cup time of course, which means sentient beings from across the animal kingdom are being forced to do their things that their little brains never had in mind. And I'm not talking about durables and 1980s film stars. No, I'm talking about octopi and now otters are being forced to play dumb games to predict the outcome of the winners of FIFA World Cup Now Jack Is there a problem with using animals for helping humans place bets on football games? IJack Druce  6:09  like I really like it. I get I like I find that sports exciting, but this puts it to a next level to me like there's just a weird like Japan had an upset win against Germany. And it was predicted by this order this time. And it's this very cute Japanese order putting a ball in a bucket and I was just thinking like they've got the the Japanese flag and the German flag on different buckets. And I just liked that detail that they also like on top of us being expected to believe that the otter has sort of like godly supernatural powers. On top of that it also knows what Germany is like it's just got this understanding of geography and what flags mean. A horse racing I definitely feel like I'm I'm in exactly the demographic where every bit of media I consume is trying to make me do sports gambling. Like if anything I want to just like do sports bet spin on everything please. And I'm not interested in gambling at all. And then I see something like this happened and I'm like, Okay, I could maybe I don't know they get an octopus or something. This can be fun.Dan Ilic  7:15  I think it I think it definitely works with binary Right? Like it definitely works with one selection or another but horse racing you need like 11 buckets for the auditor put it in Japan also has Olivia the grey parrot, the grey parrot doesn't actually have that much of a good record. It's more 5050 Remember, we remember Paul the Octopus from 2010. I mean, I'm pretty sure all of us are old enough to remember that. Paul got eight games for that FIFA World Cup in 2010. That is extraordinary. He died last year. I think he was just over exerted. But he also died like the week after he got made the ambassador for the 2018 World Cup bid for England so maybe he was like no way. i There's no way I'm going to be an ambassador I'm out of here forbec Melrose  7:57  that's too much pressure when you're a gambler to make sure the kids are gonna get Christmas presents. That's too hard.Dan Ilic  8:03  When you're an octopus you got to buy eight iPhones per person. It's is ridiculous. pursues rational fear. The octopus with the amazing psychic powers has been found dead in a German aquariumUnknown Speaker  8:17  you made as many enemies his friends, campaigns to get pulled got personal. There were death threats, dark mutterings about calamari salads, who you are listening, very rational fear.Dan Ilic  8:31  This week second fear Ticketmaster and Live Nation on this week's anti hero. When Taylor Swift eras tour went on sale all hell broke loose. 2.5 million people were asking Ticketmaster a few million times over the day. Hey Ticketmaster, you got Swifty tickets. So what resulting in 3.5 billion system requests, which slow Ticketmaster to recrawl. Eventually, 2.4 million verified customers got tickets, but it took a long, long time stiff? What the hell was going on here? Should we be blaming Ticketmaster for being shit? Or should we blame Taylor Swift for being good?Steph Broadbridge  9:07  Ah, neither. Well, I used to work for Ticketmaster. So no way. The inside tracks. I have a literary inside. I don't know. I mean, honestly, it seems like what she was asking for. This isn't funny, but it seems like what she was asking for was not going to happen. Because you just can't have that many people getting tickets at one time. But also people who buy tickets are the worse, like as someone who sold it to them, I can tell you with absolute certainty, because like how tickets work, right? There's like good tickets, and everyone wants the good tickets. But there's only so many good tickets and people don't really get that they're like, but I want the good tickets. It's like yeah, but someone else already got them first. That's just how tickets work.Dan Ilic  9:52  Yeah, I understand. You know, this happens to be every Melbourne Comedy Festival. It has been one of the good tickets.Steph Broadbridge  10:00  Yeah, also why? I mean, okay, I don't want to get anyone in trouble but Taylor Swift like why do you want me like one time? Like, why is Why is she thing?Dan Ilic  10:16  stiff? Are you trying to get this podcast canceled? What's happening here? You're trying to turn us into the end here. Do you know what's gonna happen? Some Swift is going to hear this, clip it and put it on Twitter and we're going to die.Steph Broadbridge  10:28  Okay, well, I would say to that person, have you heard Billie Holiday? She's very good. Like, check out literally every other singer. She's not even the best one in the White category. You know? Like there's so many so many other singers. It's like, I mean, I saw an article in The Guardian where they analyzed her lyrics like they matted like it is disgusting.bec Melrose  10:53  Let's get the the otter on board and just pick a bucket and we gotta be canceled are we going to make it through to the end of the year?Dan Ilic  10:59  something interesting happened out of this whole thing is the Tennessee Attorney General was so inundated by people trying to buy Taylor Swift tickets, they'll furious they were hassling the Attorney General of Tennessee to do something about it. Now the Attorney General has then taken it up with Congress to try and break up Ticketmaster and Live Nation to make the whole system better. Isn't that bizarre? Like you put a show on sale and you annoy an attorney general so much that they've actually got to put laws in place to break up the company selling your ticketsJack Druce  11:33  so like brutal sorry, but just like the I know the minimal levels of envy I feel around like just comedians who are selling a bit better than I am like, if you like to be like, Oh, she's selling so well. She's like, the government is involved like the breaking down of how well she's selling.bec Melrose  11:53  The government was involved for me too, but for the opposite reasonDan Ilic  11:57  to think about Ariana Grande all she ever wanted to be was Ariana venti. Very very good. That's a Starbucks Jack. Thank you.bec Melrose  12:08  I read a thing that the tickets were going for, like 50 grand or something?Steph Broadbridge  12:13  Yeah, I don't know. I thought $35,000 to hit Taylor Swift sing lyrics such as sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby and I'm a monster on the hill. Wow. Yep.Dan Ilic  12:30  But you know, she sings it stuff. She doesn't say it like that. You know? She's got some nice stuff around it.Steph Broadbridge  12:36  Like what like music Yeah, alright. Grandpa. This is how bad I think Taylor Swift songs are I actually wrote one. Okay, great if you want me to sing it if that's okay. Yeah, already wait write it just write one just based around what happened with the Ticketmaster incident? Yeah, just basically a bunch of words all put together that make no sense that sound like a Taylor Swift song. I brought my ukulele so again my fans were buying tickets got attacked by several bears. Crying Thompson made of pasta. You're a spoon. I am the man facing wall and sunlight sparkling in the sky like broken glass. I'm just saying random words that I pulled out my ass. They are.bec Melrose  13:33  Wow, that was really beautiful.Fiona Patten MP  13:37  Live Nation is trying to blame the ultimate popularity of Taylor Swift it'sDan Ilic  13:47  this week's third if you feeling overworked and underpaid and you feel like you're getting ripped off everywhere you go, it's because you are a rational fears. Favorite think tank the Australian Institute has crunched the numbers. And apparently, the average Australian worker is being ripped off by their boss to the tune of $8,000 of unpaid overtime. Since I'm my own boss, I can't wait to tell myself that I fucking quit. It works out to be about $93 billion a year. What are you going to do with all that cash? Well,bec Melrose  14:15  we can apparently fix the cost of living crisis is what the ABC is reporting today. And we need to like the cost of living crisis is so bad at the moment. That Keeping Up With The Kardashians, their latest series is just called the Kardashians.Dan Ilic  14:29  That's true. What's keepingbec Melrose  14:32  like, I mean, 7.3% There's no way we're catching him now and inflation that high. So we definitely could do with the extra $93 billion, I think but you know, it's just so much overtime as well. There's something like 2.5 billion hours that were giving bosses in overtime. And I know a lot of us are working from home. So about 2 billion of those hours have been spent just jiggling your mouse so it looks like you're active on Microsoft Teams. You know, that's whyDan Ilic  15:03  full timers are effectively donating more than six weeks a year to their employers. Six weeks is your boss worth an extra six weeks a year?bec Melrose  15:13  Most workers don't like their bosses, right? There are some great bosses out there, Dan, you're a great boss, you are your own boss, right? Like it's wonderful. But there are so many bosses out there that are not like my mates have got a boss that they call stitch, because he can fit his job description through the eye of a needle like you. We had a boss that we called shadow because he disappeared at midday. And if you saw him in the afternoon, he just be so strung out. It's like you're in a given time to these people. You don't be working for the one called vaccine either because you kind of rely on him, but he's an absolute prick.Jack Druce  15:49  Without the context of why I would love to have a boss named shadow that sounds like fun was had a job interview and they're like, this is the boss shadow. I'd be like, Well, hell yeah.bec Melrose  15:57  I mean, it sounds like the job is doing is definitely a black market job.Dan Ilic  16:03  It sounds like you're working for a villain in the Teenage Mutant Ninja. Yeah. That's comedians. We are entrepreneurs. We kind of do work for ourselves. Do you think we should give ourselves six weeks off? Yeah,bec Melrose  16:14  I reckon we should also start having Friday night drinks with ourselves too. I've been making that traditionally my Friday night drinks goesJack Druce  16:20  off. I think I'm gonna reframe unemployment as just giving myself six weeks off. I'm just very generous with my holiday time this year. Yeah, you just a good employer, your employer. It's a good way of looking at it.Dan Ilic  16:33  Yeah, at my place of employment. I'm allowed to take as many holidays as I like it's great.Steph Broadbridge  16:39  I am definitely not working that overtime. I don't know. I reckon I work 20 minutes a day.bec Melrose  16:45  I think comedians are definitely bringing down the national average in terms of hours only.Jack Druce  16:50  Comedians we get people are mad at us if we go 30 seconds long at a gig like people think to work that if you do an extra 30 secondsDan Ilic  16:59  that's very true Steph I'm so sorry for making it work 40 minutes tonightJack Druce  17:05  when I was getting ready for this, I was thinking about times that I've like had to do extra work and there was so used to be a writer on the TV show the project and there was some kind of like just some sort of rostering issue where I had to come in early one time and I really didn't want to but I was just like that happened every now and then. But I was in there a lot earlier than everyone else was this day and I was just like cranky about it not happy just by myself drinking coffee and there's there was a TV monitor that was like used for live feeds of crosses and interviews and stuff. And I was just like sad alone in a room and the monitor just turned on and it was the musician shaggy was just it was a live stream to shaggy just waiting for an interview just not knowing anyone who was known as attended to him yet no one from the project said hello he was in early to do some cross from like his timezone I guess and I just got like a full minute of just shaggy not knowing anyone could see him just alone this is the best case scenario for coming in this earlybec Melrose  18:05  yeah get a shaggy I know you're supposed to have a chaperone but it wasn'tDan Ilic  18:15  when we come back we're gonna be talking to Fiona patent Victorian MP all about the Victorian election in just a moment. irrational fear. I've met children that were named off my songs, you know, fancy companies. Okay, this is Carla's bombastic Johnson irrational fear just interrupting the podcast with Louis Harbor on the red carpet of the area's now you are about to see a whole bunch of award winners aren't you? Yes, I am. I think I am. Well, let me tell you the in terms of sponsors, our sponsor is an award winner they won money Magazine's Best of the Best in 2022 They are awesome. Australian ethical. Put your money there if you want to. They only invest in low carbon businesses like renewable energy it health care and education while telling companies that do stuff like fossil fuels and gambling and tobacco to go and get fucked. That's kind of our kind of people. Speaking of nefarious activities, Louis, are you going to be doing any gambling or, or human trafficking while you're theLewis Hobba  19:13  area's I might do some Wilkins trafficking, there's there at least for Wilkins is here. I can see Christian at the moment he's looking at he's looking beautiful. I saw Richard before. I assume there are several other sort of unclaimed members of the Wilkins family wandering around.Dan Ilic  19:31  What I want to know is we're not going to they're going to start their own reality TV show on the Kardashians. It's a great question.Lewis Hobba  19:37  It's a great question. I would watch it. In fact, I'm watching it right now.Dan Ilic  19:41  So big thanks to Australia to go. Let's get back to the podcast.Simon Chilvers  19:45  This is a rational view, rational fearDan Ilic  19:49  and we're back last December our interview guest won the prestigious Australia's most despised politician of the Year from spectator magazine. And this weekend she goes head to head With a whole spectrum of people who are not just despised, but utterly, thoroughly hated, it's in the Victorian election. She's the leader of the reason party, and it's with great pleasure we bring Fiona Patton to the podcast. Welcome, Fiona.Fiona Patten MP  20:14  Thank you, Dan. And, yeah, I'm not sure it's a title that I will be able to keep after this weekend. ButDan Ilic  20:23  would you who would you bestow it upon? Are you a person of good character you wouldn't even dareFiona Patten MP  20:28  look? I you know, I feel like if I utter their name, then I'm just giving them extra extra media. But, you know, to be honest, their supporters may not be watching you guys. I know. That might come as a shock. But they'd say, Adam Sami reckon Bernie Finn have got to be neck and neck for for that title. But there's lots of people running in this election. Who could get that title if they got elected?Dan Ilic  20:55  Let's just talk about that. Because it strikes me as someone who's traveled to Melbourne quite a few times over the last six months. Every time I'm in Melbourne, there appears to be a protest, and those people are often requesting their freedom. But obviously, they've been free for some time. What the hell is happening with this group called the cookers?Fiona Patten MP  21:15  They're starting that rhetoric now where they're going? No, you are? No, I'm not a cooker. You are? You're a cooker.Dan Ilic  21:23  Yeah, they're like hipsters that don't self identify.Fiona Patten MP  21:25  No. So you know, they're calling Dan Andrews, a cook cooker. I'm a cooker. We're all cookers. But I don't know that particular origins of it. But I recently had an operation and I've bloody nearly lost my stitches because people keep posting cooker videos. And seriously, like, there was one today where they're, they're chasing this guy who's just gone out for a sneaky cigarette. No going, Are you a Freemason? Are you a free nation? This guy's going no, man. I don't even know what Freemasons are like, what are they? These guys March every Saturday, they close the tram lines. Go and yell at the when the Christmas Windows outside David Jones and Maya. And now they're running for election. So we've just actually left a pre poll booth just a just a half an hour ago, and the police had been called, I think I'm aware of about 10 times the police have been called to polling booths in pre poll so far. And we've still haven't even hit Election Day. Well, the Freedom Party is getting pretty loose.Dan Ilic  22:29  cookers aside, what is at stake this this weekend in Victoria for the Victorian election. What are the what are the main fault lines we're looking at?Fiona Patten MP  22:37  You know, I mean, the lower house is interesting, and I think many of the independents who are running kind of community, independents, they're progressive. They're chasing liberal seats. So most of them if they are successful, they'll be knocking out liberal MPs. But I'm not hearing it as much in northern Thatcher in the North Melbourne, where I'm from, but in some of the southern areas that there's a fair bit of, you know, Daniel Andrews, hating so the polls are tightening, I still think that the Labour Party will win this election and still will hold a majority. It's the upper house that we could, you know, at the moment, there's 11 crossbenchers in the upper house. And it makes for pretty interesting conversations. And but we've managed to get quite a bit of progressive legislation through and it's been quite effective. That might end after this election, we're in the upper house, we could see a really hostile upper house, and you'd, you might have a progressive lower house with a bunch of good independents trying to change things on climate change on equality on reproductive rights, and then you've got the upper house, blocking everything. And certainly, you know, with the people that the Liberal Party have pre selected to the absolutely winnable Upper House seats. It's not looking like it's going to be that much fun on those red velvet seats. Now, you've got for many of you from Sydney, you've got Fred Nile. I mean, Bernie fan spreading to shame. I'm afraid that I you know, he will maybe Fred before he was wearing his pajamas to the council board, brought in his wife slash care into the counts into the parliament. But yeah, we've got some pretty crazy ones and some pretty crazy females coming in to the upper house.Dan Ilic  24:27  There's only a cooker candidate here the Liberals you're talking about that they've been preFiona Patten MP  24:31  selecting evangelical Christians who don't believe in climate change, who don't believe in abortion, who don't believe in equality, who believe that you know, women should be men should be obeyed. Yeah, they will be sitting on our seats and representing Victoria and Victorians. And it is it is actually pretty frightening and it's hard to even understand why they're making these decisions, but I think they still seem to think that religion is a vote winner and So it's not.Dan Ilic  25:01  And we saw last federal election that that's the case. You know, like so many folks have kind of turned away from religion and like dumped those evangelical candidates. Yeah, that's so strange. Well, I also want to ask you about the Labour Party tactics for a second. I mean, we're interested in know where you kind of stand on the Labour Party had been running a whole bunch of attack ads, a grunt against the grains, and they've run this, this website call to action called green fat. Yes. Just kind of spreading these rumors about the greens. What do you think about that kind of like election tactic? That doesn't seem good?Fiona Patten MP  25:35  Yet, it's a radical theory. But if I get reelected, I do want to kind of push on it is like truth in political advertising. Why not try this? Because it's ridiculous. And in actual fact, I think it backfires. I actually think it actually sends more people to the greens, looking at some of their other ads against the Liberal Party. They seem to do one negative, you know, math, you guys terrible. And then another one. Look how great we are looking at all the, you know, hard hats we're wearing and look at all the cool stuff we're building. But yeah, I don't actually think they're not building it themselves. We know that but yeah, but they pretend like they're heading down to work to build the tunnel.Dan Ilic  26:24  But do not. I do think it's funny. Every time the Labour Party tweets about how many railway road crossings ever removed, I want to see them tweet every time they hand at a tampon. We've handed out 24 tampons.Fiona Patten MP  26:39  Yep, yep, I'm look, I'm excited for that too. We've had free per tampons at Parliament House for quite a few for a few years now. They also brought in pads that whoever was buying them wasn't female. continence pads notbec Melrose  27:00  that is the most Australian Government thing I've ever heard. In the men's room.Dan Ilic  27:10  And Fiona, how you sitting this weekend? How's your seat? Oh,Fiona Patten MP  27:13  my seats, always precarious. So like, if I lose it, it will probably be to a guy could add him so Mirek, who is a disgraced Labour Party minister, who's lives down in the south of south of Victoria. He's running in the north of north of Melbourne, he could pick up the seat because there's, you know, many people Yeah, whenDan Ilic  27:35  when my grandmother died, he came around the house and asked for her ATM cards.Fiona Patten MP  27:45  He can work with cards.Dan Ilic  27:46  He cited like she she was dead for a week or two but and he she like he signed it in power straight up to the to the liberal party. It was amazing.Fiona Patten MP  27:55  Yeah, well, well, you know, the, he's joined up with Bernie Finn, the disgraced liberal member who got kicked out of the Liberal Party, which, given the people that they pre selected must be really bloody hard to do to get kicked out of that party for being to right wing. I think they're now regretting it, because the people who've replaced him are probably even more right wing. But yeah, those two are running together. So that will be one of my threats. And, you know, on on the, on the booths, I've got the socialists who are, they're kind of telling me that, you know, if they get elected, they will increase the pensions, they will lower the lower taxes, and they will save all of the refugees, which good on them. Excellent. If it was a federal election,bec Melrose  28:42  that's like there's a school captain speeches where you promise chocolate milk in the bubblers and water slides. It's like, Yeah, it sounds good. But actually, you can't control that.Fiona Patten MP  28:53  Do any of that. But it's, you know, it's yet today, I had the sort of socialist salary and the Freedom Party yelling at me, so I felt like I was in the right place. That then we're kind of yeah, really going a lot of hate on me. And I was like, alright, this must be, I must be in the good place.bec Melrose  29:11  What a terrible sign that you're in the good place. Is that the worst part of campaigning? That sounds awful feared.Dan Ilic  29:19  At least you're not in the Big Bang Theory. Yeah.Fiona Patten MP  29:22  That's right. That's right. Well, yeah, if I actually listened to the freedom fighters, that that may actually be what they were telling me that if you're worried about what the government will do to the weather for election day,Dan Ilic  29:35  well, it's snowing in the Alps. And it's only it's about to become summer. So climate change isn't a thing, Fiona. This is what I'm going to be telling people about Christmas barbecue,Fiona Patten MP  29:45  but those floods the government did that.Dan Ilic  29:49  Well, Fiona, good luck this weekend. Thank you for coming on irrational fear that is it for rational fear. Let's get our plugs underway. Steph Broadbridge What would you like to plugSteph Broadbridge  29:58  I have nothing to plug but thank you IfDan Ilic  30:02  that is not true back Melrose, you're gonna plug anything.bec Melrose  30:05  I think you should follow Steph Broadbridge you should follow me back Melrose on InstagramDan Ilic  30:12  Jack dress you've got a big show coming out on YouTube this way yeahJack Druce  30:15  I did a recorded my Stand Up Show from last year I guess which got more than last year I got Cannes like three or four times during the pandemic trying to film it so I finally got it out there it'll be up on my YouTube channel just searched actress and that'll be out for free on YouTube on next Tuesday November 29. And I've also as Dan mentioned the beginning been making a bunch of just sketches and that kind of thing that are also on the YouTube if you want to check it out and subscribe but that would be great.Dan Ilic  30:44  I thought you're gonna say I've been recorded my show which got I thought he comes like five stars. Like no shutdown got shut down. And Fiona anything you'd like to plugFiona Patten MP  30:55  state election? Don't miss it pop down. I'll be saying my name like 60 times a minute. Hello, I'm Fiona Patton. Hello. And handing out pictures of myself which all becomes quite surreal.bec Melrose  31:11  Festival. I really fear I know that's something we're very familiar with.Dan Ilic  31:15  Yeah, you're talking to Yeah, you're talking to a bunch of comedians who do this day in day out so that's totally fine.bec Melrose  31:21  And Dan, you've also got a plug out question everything watched in English on Question everything absolutely killed. Oh, yes. WatchDan Ilic  31:27  back Melrose and myself and Wendy Harmer on questioning everything on iView. And I want to shout out to all of our Patreon supporters who signed up this week Irene Thank you are Paul Kidd joined us one of my favorite people on Twitter joined us. Diana joined us and also Carmen champion also joined us thank you, all those people and please a big thank you to everyone who was who may be a judge on the Australian Podcast Awards. I've got the big trophy right here. Fantastic three in a row. We absolutely didn't think that we would have won again because we thought Tony and Ryan might have won because they got millions of dollars from Spotify to do their show. They hey you know we get hundreds of dollars from Patreon so that's great. Thank you to roadmaps, strain, ethical who also support the show and all of our Patreon supporters Jacob brown on the teppanyaki timeline big thank you to Luis until an all caught at the beginning of the show. 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