A Rational Fear

Dan Ilic

Laughing in the face of fear. Comedians and experts rip into the news. It's #QandA on crack.🏆 Winner Best Comedy Podcast 2020 / 2021 / 2022 / 2023. Sign up to the newsletter: http://www.arationalfear.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Jun 15, 2023 • 31min

Solving the climate crisis with gun rights - Dan Ilic, Lewis Hobba & Ange Lavoipierre.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/G’day Fearmongers —We’re back on the tools for the next five weeks to laugh in the face of the scariest news.This episode we talk about the US Government being so embarrassed at surveilling its own citizens, that they’re now telling everyone about it, and hoping someone else in the US Government will fix it.Why won’t someone fix the legal loop holes!?We also chat about this strange new group of conservatives who are planning to solve the meaning of life. Who is in this group? John Howard, Tony Abbott, and Jordan Peterson to name a few. They’re called the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. Sounds like a bunch of people who need a night on the shrooms.Also we chat with Ange Lavoirpierre about the disaffection that Gen Z and Millennials have with politics-as-usual. And how ideas like capitalism are very much out of fashion, and the coolest new derogatory term of people who dare to participate in thrift store arbitrage.Here more from Ange on her excellent podcast SchmeitgeistCheersDan🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear Here's all the fun stuff you get when you sign up to Patreon. 🎧 Get an ad-free and sponsor free version of the show. 🎟 Get early access and discounts to live shows. 🎥 Get early access to final videos, and draft edits of upcoming videos. 👨🏼‍⚖️ Make show suggestions. 💬 Get a link to the A Rational Fear discord. If you enjoyed this please drop us a review on Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/a-rational-fear/id522303261 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 14, 2023 • 21min

News Fighters — Budget Wars 2023

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/NEWS FIGHTERS PODCASTThis month on News Fighters host Dylan Behan takes an in-depth look at the 2023 “Goldilocks” Budget. Somehow treasurer Jim Chalmers and Labor have lucked out with a once-in-15-year surplus, but can they use it to help those out in the cold while not overheating the economy with inflation? Meanwhile Peter Dutton and the coalition argue that instead of giving a tiny increase to welfare recipients, this money would be better used to fund holidays and the mining industry. TRANSCRIPTION Jim Chalmers 00:01This is News Fighters, where we fight the news so you don't have to. Dylan Behan 00:10 Yes welcome to episode 123 of news fighters from May 2023. News fighters, chase the vibes. I'm Dylan Bay and you might know me from A Rational fear as being the onstage Hobbit DJ guy and occasional wacky clips merchant and I'm here with the biggest news story of the week. Journalist 00:27It's budget night and we'll see something we haven't in 15 years. Dylan Behan 00:31Yes, that's right for the first time in 15 years. Is it Michael Jackson back from the dead and live in concert? Or is it Kevin Rudd? Not a laughingstock? Oh, perhaps it's a livable apartment in Sydney for under $600,000? No, of course they were talking about the first Jim Chalmers 00:46budget surplus in 15 years. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 5, 2023 • 36min

AI Murder Vapes - Erchana Murray Bartlett, Craig Quartermaine, Persephone Fraser, Dan Ilic, Lewis Hobba

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ SEE OUR LIVE SHOW: https://comedy.com.au/tour/a-rational-fear-live/G'day Fearmongers,Last night at an industry dinner on the Gold Coast I was having a joke with some British TV producers about the Coronation. I was gently mocking the ceremony for how everything about it was modern and progressive.Or at least I thought I was gently mocking.From the magic stone seat, to the 500 year old spoon, to the oil from a duck, to the hand of God picking one man to rule over a whole bunch of people who have no say in the matter. All the Australians at the table laughed.The English producers shuffled uncomfortably and one said "But we do it well, don't we." To which all the Australians felt the discomfort and politely agreed that England does do pomp and circumstance very well.I added that Harry Potter was also done very well, took my drink and left.So — Happy Coronation Weekend to those who celebrate.On the podcast this week we have some great fearmongers. 🏃‍♀️Australian Athletic Legend, Erchana Murray-Bartlet.🎙 Comedian and broadcaster, Craig Quartermaine💨 Former vaper, Lewis Hobba.💸Persephone Fraser from Australian EthicalWe cover the Coronation, Beetaloo Basin, Vaping, the AI coup, and the Budget.We're taking a few weeks off the podcast, but we'll be putting the odd video out on Patreon.Next week on the feed you'll hear from News Fighters.CheersDanDepartment of DisinterestReserve Bank Australiahttps://twitter.com/ARationalFear/status/1654024492824555523 🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearHeading into the election your support is going to be more crucial than ever!Thank you FEARMONGERS!If you enjoyed this please drop us a review on Apple podcasts:https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/a-rational-fear/id522303261 Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Apr 28, 2023 • 29min

LIVE PODCAST: Cookers, Planets, and Gas. OH MY! — Brisbane — Mandy Nolan, Mark Humphries, Mel Buttle, Lewis Hobba, Dan Ilic + Dr. Jessie Christiensen

Mar 24, 2023 • 29min

Trapping Trump — Alice Tovey, Laura Hughes, Dan Ilic, Lewis Hobba, David Attenborough

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANEGuest Fearmongers on A Rational Fear this week include:Alice Tovey 🎟 Performing at MICF in Not Like Other GhoulsLaura Hughes 🎟 Performing at MICF in Laura Hughes Presents: Laura Hughes, Laura Hughes and some other Laura HughesesOn this episode we talk:🌏 David Attenborough reads the IPCC report.🪧 Nazis in Melbourne.🎃 Trump's Arrest.🌝 Samsung replacing the moon. 🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANE 0:00 This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. Good evening, Lewis.0:05 Hello, Daniel. How are you?0:07 I'm good. I'm good. And you sound good. You look good. You. You look taller. For some reason. I don't know. Maybe it's my screen. Maybe my screen is higher than usual.0:16 Yeah, I don't believe I've grown. But it will be thrilling if I had it would kick me over from just like regular tall until weirdly tall.0:24 Well, our Patreon subscribers are growing this week, we grew by one so big thank you to Sam Arnold, who joined up on Patreon. We've got a few of you now. And now I'm, I'm Louis. I don't know if this is rude of me to say this to our audience. But I want to get a few more because I want to hire an assistant. Oh, because if you've ever thought about supporting the podcast ship into the Patreon, it's you know, the price of a cup of coffee these days, like even less, like we've kept our prices the same. And coffee has gone up sky high. Like yeah,0:54 it's easy to keep your price the same when it's zero.0:58 Yeah, that's it. That's it. So if you've ever thought about to begin, please head on over to Patreon and chip in and that way we can employ someone younger, smarter, funnier to do most of the work that I don't have time to do.1:10 Oh, now I feel threatened. What? Yeah, you you feel threatened1:14 and you work at the Youth broadcaster? You've got younger, smarter and funnier people around you all day long.1:19 That's true. But what are you actually going to do with this assistant? Because I have to admit, if you're asking for money, you know, it's not exactly like you're curing cancer here begging for an assistance. I feel like you might need to give us some more information.1:30 They're going to be you know, writing writing the podcast notes publishing the podcast. They're going to be organising guests. There's a whole I've got a list of things to do. It's very exhausting to make a whole podcast.1:43 Oh, I mean, I can only assume that's why I don't do anything.1:48 I don't know that you and your fancy producers at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.1:54 That singular one single producer.1:57 Okay, very good. And give her your cell phone. Of course. Yeah. Well, that's good. Anyway, have you met? Do you know anyone2:06 who's looking for an underpaid job? Yeah, dude, everyone at the ABC? Yeah, well,2:11 great. Well, we pay more than the ABC so I'm recording my end of irrational feet on Gadigal Land of the Euro nation's sovereignty was devastated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show. The following2:22 programme contains medium coarse language and traces of nuts. A rational fear recommends listening by immature audiences. Comedians experts laughing at2:34 the world as it burns down2:37 around. This is2:43 a rational fear.2:47 Tonight and Australian Army helicopter has crashed into Jarvis Bay, the Defence Minister said it's the closest thing we'll get to a new submarine until the 2040s. And with the New South Wales election just days away, Premier Dominic Paris, he regrets that he and his wife could have made a few more voters in time for election day. And after already using code red and time bomb in order to describe the IPCC report. You're not a nation of bits that analogies to climate change are an endangered species. It's the 24th of March 2023. And this is a rational fear3:19 is a rational fear.3:32 Working irrational fear, I'm your host, former Labour Party Bus Driver Daniel itch and this is the podcast that makes Aaron Sorkin newsroom look a bit like a documentary. Let's make our fear mongers for tonight. Guests. Number one. They're one of Australia's best Laura Hughes's. They'll go by the name of Laura Hughes and they'll be joined on stage at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival with several other Laura Hughes's it's the one and only well actually turns out one of many Laura Hughes's. Welcome to the podcast Laura yours.3:59 Thanks for having me.4:01 Laura. Just how many Laura Hughes's are going to be in your show in Melbourne. They are4:06 going to be seven including myself. But 1000s4:12 actually Googled you to find your bio today and I went I went to Laura here's Comdata you I found a Laura Hughes who is like a corporate coaches who helps you think of mindset growth and all that stuff.4:22 There's so many Laura uses they fought me there's one that paedophile and that's the worst one for me. I get a lot of emails from4:36 God Oh, dear. Do you have you're working with children? Check Laura.4:41 I have so many I'm ready. I didn't even work with children but I was like I need it just4:47 to go around and knock on everyone's door when you move into a neighbourhood and just go I'm not that lower here. Exactly.4:55 And then Melbourne Comedy Festival show, not like other girls refuse is to have a pun in the title is The horrifically and musically gifted hours Toby Hello us you are mixing horror and cabaret in your festival show are you worried it could be too spooky?5:11 It's gonna be a real Fright Fest day and I hope that you love jaunty jingles the scariest thing of all.5:18 You know me. I love Georgia, because Louis will tell you how much I love everyone. He didn't go.5:22 He you're a gentle man. He loves he's a little jingle boy. And it's sufferable5:28 I love also Louis. It's the first time we've been on the podcast together. Usually we can't be in the same room at the same time. This is so lovely.5:35 It's really nice. I'm just waiting for one of our internet's to fall apart. But for now, let's let it ride. Yes.5:42 And if you want to learn how to be rich, our next guest will tell you how to do that. And his comedy special at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. Golden Handshake. It's Louis Harbour.5:51 Oh, that's true. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Exactly. One day before irrational fear hits the stage at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. I'll be doing a live comedy show at the Melbourne town hall with my friend Michael hing. It will be very silly. I assume.6:07 I was just going from the coffee off the website I6:09 assumed you at least wrote what you were planning to do. You know how it is at the Comedy Festival show you you send in something and then you're right to that.6:18 So did you say on hand shake or handshape ham sham che6:22 Alice? Honestly, insane things you need to know to listen to our radio show. If you haven't listened to it before don't bother starting now. I would say it's just it's we're so deep into a bunch of insane storylines that it would take too long on peak where the last of daytime radio.6:42 There is a lot of in jokes. There's a lot of you can kind of catch up at any point though, Louis, like I dip in and out when I'm driving around town. And I'm like, oh, yeah, back on the ham stuff. That's good.6:51 Yeah, yeah. Well, at one point, he just decided that it would be funny to say, congratulations, you've won yourself a ham. But he's a vegetarian. He doesn't know how much ham costs so much so much. He's like, so let's just give away a ham every week. And I was like, that's gonna bankrupt the ABC. So we gave away one ham to one person. The ABC legal thing was so insane. They were like, what if someone wins it who's like Jewish or Muslim who doesn't eat ham? It's like well, then we might send them the ham.7:19 Plus, you got to be in the pockets and feed but Toki you can't have that.7:24 And now we just made like 1000s of Golden Handshake earrings that we give away anyway, it's a nightmare. No one on this podcast cares.7:31 It's a whole thing. Coming up later, after inviting both Chris Mullins and Dominic paradise on the podcast and receiving very polite knows we are joined instead by independent candidate for the Northern Beaches. Jackie screwby will ask her how insular is her Peninsula. But first, a message from this week's sponsor.7:48 A rational fear and audible presents David Attenborough reading the AR six report from the IPCC uncensored, unplanned and unhinged human activities, principally through emissions of greenhouse gases have unequivocally caused global warming. You see, I told you I fucking told you ordered No. Here the moment the BAFTA award winning naturalists brain explodes with global surface temperatures reaching 1.1 degrees centigrade. How many fucking documentaries do I need to fucking make? experienced the frustration of someone who's given their life to the pursuit of truth in the face of unbridled capitalism, deep, rapid and sustained reductions in greenhouse gas emissions would lead to a discernible slowdown in global warming within around two decades discernible. I'll be dead in two fucking decades. How about I give you all a discernible reduction in me. It's what could be David Attenborough's last great audio book. Oh, fuck it. That's it. I'm getting into crypto fuck all of your pitches. Now available on Audible. Download the app and start listening today.9:02 David Attenborough. Excellent. This week's first fear Nazis turfs and the Liberal Party expulsions. Oh, my What is it with Melbourne and Nazis? This is the weather maybe the Yeren reminds them of the Rhine or maybe it's the unbearable levels of racial tolerance. But in a very confused scene on the weekend, Nazis joined anti trans protesters who were joined by trans rights protesters who were not joined by anyone trying to catch the 86 tram anywhere because there's no way they could and on top of it, the baddies in this case the anti trans protesters were upset that the police led even worse baddies Nazis into their protest hours. What the hell is happening in Melbourne?9:40 Oh my goodness, it's such an upsetting and hateful story. This person Posie Parker Parker Posey, already appropriating the name of a queer icon is a hate crime. But a bunch of turfs turned up to Parliament and they've kind of created this thing that where they say trans people, they're so dangerous. They should be all just eradicated. They also say that trans people don't exist. So they've created Schrodinger as queer. And they've gone and protested that it's just super frustrating, especially the cops that turned up as well who allowed the Nazis to march through the streets if you've not seen the footage, it's horrific, but the excuse that they gave to the protesters was all I'm just doing my job, which is like a fine excuse. If you're a Subway sandwich artist who's been told to just use schnitzel instead of bread because they slipped to an extra fibre but not if you're defending Nazis. That's not alright.10:30 It's also just like such a hair's breadth from I was just following orders, which of course, famously from the Nazis.10:37 Absolutely, it was10:39 it's weird that the police just thought it was part of the anti trans protesters10:42 and if it's weird that the cops let the Nazis in AKA a lot of their friends10:50 but it's so but it is weird because you know, they're not dressed like anti trans protesters. They're dressed like the they've come from. They're like they got out of bed from their pyjamas. They're like all in black.11:00 Yeah, they're in black shorts shorts, which is yeah, I didn't think that hot pants with a Nazi uniform, which like, credit where credit's due I love a good hot pan but not on a Nazi.11:10 It was almost indistinguishable from a lady gaga backup dancer it's terrifying genuinely like you kind of like it's always crazy when you like the Nazis are back. What what are we doing the Nazis11:24 it's interesting in that Victoria seems to be like the home of Nazism. In Australia. For some reason. There's been long reporting about right wing radicals hanging out in the Grampians chanting anti Jewish sentiment. And there seems to be a huge rise like over the last 10 years like a 320% rise in right wing plot attacks and violence like direct direct Skype threats to the Australian people like the Nazis are for all intents and purposes. You know, the new al Qaeda in Australia. The AFP are really deeply concerned about this right.11:56 Do you think it's the weather? It's just the most similar to Germany?11:59 Could be Yeah, can you just Nick,12:03 you can't wear those uniforms in Queensland. Like if the further you get to the closer you get to the equator, you just you can't wear an overcoat it doesn't work. I mean, yeah, as you're saying I was there were Nazis in shorts. He was the only one who you weren't scared of like all the other Nazis you like, these guys are fucking Nazis. He like well, that guy's Nazis in shorts. We can hit his knees. Fuck that guy. He's easy.12:24 I'm not scared of men as long as I can see their carbs but I'm just hoping that what these protests highlight is the absurdity of transphobia because when you have literal Nazis on your side, like Sikh hireling and stuff, you're on the wrong side team, but you can't dress it up in whatever faux feminism you want. This is bad stuff.12:45 The turfs were there going on? Oh, we weren't with the Nazis. I mean, like, just visually, clearly they were with the Nazis. But in a world where the Nazis were getting attacked by the anti turf protesters and the Turks themselves, then the Nazis would have been fighting a war on two fronts. Historically,13:08 a bit like q&a on crack. This is a rational fear.13:16 This week second fear any moment a former president could be arrested for using campaign funds to buy the silence of a porn star he had sex with once Yes, Donald Trump could be arrested at some point this week. We don't know one we don't know when it's you know, it's been he tweeted on Tuesday that it could happen any moment now. So that whole world has been on tenterhooks. This all goes back to when Donald Trump use $130,000 of campaign finance funnelled through his lawyer, Michael Cohen, to pay the silence of stormy Daniels and it all kind of comes down to a bit of paperwork. Yeah, it could be along the lines that you know, kind of paying off reimbursing Michael Cohen through like a dodgy invoice or something like this. Yeah. What is going on here with Donald Trump?14:01 It's very exciting. I feel like that almost been arresting him for years now. But it feels like it's getting closer. Maybe fingers crossed for everyone. But my favourite part is the unhinged part about him, like tweet will true thing about it on his stupid little website. And the fact that there's been all these like deep fake videos about it and people already putting out deep fake videos of him on the way to jail. And I feel like that's how he found out like he saw a video thought he saw a glimpse into the future. And that's why he truths about it. Like that's why he tweeted about it. About14:39 ask like this whole arrest over appropriating campaign funds doesn't just seem a little bit quaint with everything else he's done.14:45 It does. I mean, I feel like this is going to be the first they try and get him on anything. They're desperate. But the stressful thing is that even if he gets arrested, he can still become president because the laws are different over then, like so he can Jelly15:00 exotics running for president now. So anyone can do it.15:04 In Australia, you can run for parliament if you've been convicted of a crime, but in America, you can, you know, apparently he could do it from jail like he can actually run as president and become president from jail if he wants to.15:15 If he does go to prison in the sort of Al Capone sands, you know, if they just get him on campaign finance fraud, but if he's there, I hope he doesn't run for president. I hope he shoots another season of The Apprentice. Can you? Donald Trump day block. I mean, I'm here with Cyrus the virus, Snake Eyes, and got it. Oh, Pete. And the challenge this week, see how many mobile phones you can sneak through15:42 all that, Louis? How are they going to send him to prison? They can't cop him. His hands are so tiny. You'll slip I just thought it was funny on the footage in New York this week at the front of Trump Tower that they were just like five people with bullhorn horns, which means they're one shy away from a netball team if they exclude the wing attack.16:05 Yeah, that was after he called for the protest and five people showed up so much of a threat.16:11 Just Rudy Rudy Giuliani out there with a bunch of oranges going here. If you need Donald here, if you need16:18 rational fear, it is the end of the world. You might as well laugh about it.16:27 This week's third fear unless it's going to destroy the world. We don't often talk about technology on this podcast. But you know, chat GBT, we've spoken a little bit about this week, Samsung has revealed that it has been replacing things in people's photos namely the moon, I read it user did an experiment where he printed out printed off the moon he made it really blurry in Photoshop, printed it out, stuck it on the wall and took a photo of it with his camera. So it looked nothing like the moon. But the AI inside the Samsung camera automatically replaced that picture with a picture of the moon. Samsung is just going around replacing the moon in everyone's pictures,17:02 saying Dan is that they? Yes defied the moon.17:08 What else should Samsung replace if they're replacing the moon? You know, does this give them licence and other tech companies licence to replace other things in your pictures? What if you wanted a picture of a really blurry thing, but you couldn't get it?17:22 Wow, I didn't know why. And why are they doing that? Because they just think that Moons look a bit shit.17:27 But no, because they can so and the The amazing thing is that the one side of the Moon faces the Earth at all times. So no matter where you are on the planet, whenever you look up at the moon, it's going to be the same image of the moon. So if you're trying to take a photo of the moon if you're if you're the kind of person that sees the moon and wants to zoom in and get a shot of the moon, Samsung will just replace the moon with a really crispy picture of the moon.17:50 What about what about the blood moons?17:52 Do they have those on file? I don't know. I don't know. That's their you know, that's my question.17:56 What about if I pull my pants down in front of the camera? Well, I replace me with a stump but18:04 I don't need to get enough craters for your but18:08 I'm happy for them to replace pictures of me. I take the worst photos so I'm like, give me a glow up since on the show many18:15 of you they just put another law of using that it'd be18:20 I regret the name of my show.18:26 It would just be nice if they could replace photos of my parents with one of them looking proud of my career choice. It's a joke. I love you mom and dad. You're great.18:35 It is a joke. Alice Toby's career is going really well. She's you know, she's she works on everyone's TV shows we're very proud of here at irrational fear.18:43 Do we know what year Samsung was founded? Was it in 1969? Because it is possible. They were complicit in the faking?18:53 Thank you for being brave enough to say,18:56 thinking we're all thinking,18:59 what kind of podcast would we be if we didn't have at least one conspiracy theory.19:05 We'd have more listeners if we had more conspiracy theory.19:08 If you just ate some of the elk meat that I send you, this podcast would be one of the biggest in Australia.19:17 Samsung, unfortunately was founded 85 years ago 193819:22 That proves my theory, it's entirely possible that they would ever 196919:27 Also think about how long it took James Cameron to develop the technology for Avatar to it is totally reasonable that it took to the 30s till the 60s to fake a moon landing.19:36 But why did the footage look so shit? In the 60s?19:39 Yeah, well, yeah, how come Samsung didn't replace it with better footage19:43 yet? Where were the Navi on the moon19:47 theory debunked.19:48 I'll be back with a new one next week.19:50 Oh, we need it. i It kind of begs the question like What is a picture19:54 when the AI photos came out? You when that lens or AI thing came out? Did you guys give it a go? Did you give yourself With a little glow up in the in the AI No, I made I'm beautiful. Beautiful. You all broke the AI. They were like, We have to make her less beautiful.20:08 Do you remember the day that Samsung was down? That was my face? Sorry.20:14 I didn't because it costs money. So I was like, oh, nothing's smart. That's20:20 on Paul shouldn't have to pay for a face like you've got to face.20:23 Exactly do it for free to robot. Why am I paying a robot?20:27 That's a good point. I mean, I would buy a Roomba, but that's different, I guess. Did you guys do it? Did you? Yeah, absolutely kidding me. I'm so vain. I wake up in the morning was like, why does it run the clock? And why haven't I done it yet? And then I did it all day.20:42 What do you like astronauts? Astronauts? Yeah,20:46 like mythical figure. There was. There were like, I would say, it felt a bit like they had just googled, like, white guy, brown hair glasses. And then they just fused me with a bunch of other. Like, there was a few where I looked a bit like Adam Scott, the actor, which was quite nice. But then there was somewhere I looked like, I would say, someone who founded a yoga studio in 1978, and had since been in prison for 40 years. But the things I did to the people in my yoga studio in the 70s, like, really just like, skinny, and like really long arms, but kind of like piercing eyes, like just like a six pack. But it made me look like a an AI sex pest. And it made me question myself, because on that, once you see the scales of what you can be, like, on one hand, I could be a loved actor, Adam Scott, who I think is wonderful. On the other hand, I could be a sex past. And then you can kind of see both of those versions of yourself going forward and every day. And I guess it gave me the sort of Laura Hughes paradox. Like I didn't really know who I was. So I decided not to ever do it again.21:51 I think it makes a beautiful cult leader Louis, you really you have called me to potential.21:55 Do you know when I was a kid, when people asked would ask me what I wanted? That's That's what I told them. That's not22:00 are you serious? Yeah. Yeah.22:05 Do you have like some kind of merchandise? Or do you do like a Eucharist? What would you do like a Eucharist? Oh, like, Oh, it's a Catholic process of sharing your body as a bread?22:21 Would I be mixed? Yes. No, no.22:25 Do you have a harem?22:26 Why do you get into why did you get into the cult game? If it's not to be a slot? I don't understand anyone who's like a good cult leader. Like why did you bother just go to work?22:35 It's the same thing as like a social football team. It's just nice to hang out with people.22:42 And have them do your bidding. I had22:43 some friends who made a documentary about cults in Australia once and we were having a beer. I was like, what was like the funniest story about the cults. And they were like, Oh, it was pretty funny. There was this woman who went to like a health thing like a health fair in Byron Bay. And they, she met this person who ended up getting them into a cult, and this woman was like, I'm the second coming of Jesus. And she ended up getting involved in this cult. But there were only three people in the cult. It was her the cult leader and one other follower. And eventually, the other follower left. So it was just her and the second coming of Jesus. And then eventually, after like two or three years, the woman was like, What are you still doing here? I'm clearly not the Second Coming of Jesus. And then the leader left the cult. So the only person left in the Gulf. And she was like, Oh, I've been in a cult. I've been in a fight.23:35 Ah, yeah, that would be me. I would be the second coming of Jesus and I would get frustrated with my own shitty cars. What23:44 are you doing here? Here all your fear is rational.23:50 just pausing the podcast here, Louis, do you think Samsung's efforts to replace people's real moons with the fake Moon is pretty ethical.23:58 I don't really know if it matters enough to be ethical or unethical. It's just a weird thing.24:04 Well, I just want to pause the podcast here just to talk a little bit about Australian ethical. They are a big financial firm. They've been going since 1986. And they've been looking after people's money in really ethical ways. So they haven't been replacing it with pictures of fake money like Samsung would do. They've been you know, putting it in stuff like low carbon businesses, renewable energy. They definitely don't invest in things like fossil fuels. They look after companies that are part of the solution. Not part of the problem, though, is I'm thrilled24:31 and very excited to be partnering with Australian ethical. I think last week we mentioned I saw them in the news. I saw them in a guardian headline, I was like, Oh no. Who have we saddled ourselves with? And then it was like, Oh no, they're divesting from a bad company who was gonna kill a bunch of koalas and I'm like, Ah, a superannuation company in the news for the right reasons.24:53 What year is this? That company has LED lights a company we've spoken a bit about on this podcast, so yeah, well, darkness Try Nesco keep it up and thank you for sponsoring a rational fear25:06 this is a rational fear.25:10 I looks like Jackie's group has got better things to do before three days before the election so good on her. She's not coming on rational fear tonight. Let's wrap it up so big thanks to everyone who joined us on irrational fear Louis harbour Alice Toby. Laura Hughes. Alice, what would you like to plug?25:25 Yes, I'm doing a show called not like the other girls at the Melbourne Comedy Festival and the Sydney Comedy Festival. So if you head to Alice toby.com You can book some tickets it opens next Thursday. It's going to be very silly. Looking forward25:37 to Laura Hughes.25:39 I'm doing a show with the worst title on the in the world. And I regret every day. Laura Hughes presents and it's from the 10th of April to the 16th at the butterfly club.25:53 Doing only doing one week at the festival that is the sign that is a veteran that is a veteran who's seen some shit.26:01 That's someone who's died before it was like a month get locked. Much I play a lot of characters so I think I would be dead if I did the whole month.26:11 I've seen the show and it's very very, very funny. Louis would you like to?26:15 Well, obviously there's a rational fear second of April. Huge lineup still ticking the Capitol Theatre. I mean, it's beautiful. Wear a suit. Dress up? What a lie. Yeah,26:25 yeah, please wear a suit. Will you wear a suit if you wear a suit? I'll wear so.26:29 Fuck it. Yeah, I'll wear a suit. Yeah, all right. Yeah, so isn't that funny? When you're like, work such joke jobs that putting on a suit is like our moment is comedy. I've only got one.26:45 Dress up as one of your AI characters.26:48 Oh, fuck. I I know. We're still recording but afterwards, I'll send you the next best one.26:56 Try and try not to send as try not to send it over a carriage service.27:02 I can't believe what they did to me. They did me so dirty. So yes, come to irrational fear. Also, if you just eaten Melbourne the weekend and you're like, Ah, no, no, no, it's lawless. I am doing a show at the town hall the night before with my friend Michael hang. It's called Golden Handshake. And then the week after that, if you're like God, I've seen Lewis twice. Love to do it a third time be doing the great debate. Which is really exciting on27:25 Easter Sunday. That's really exciting. Do you know who you're doing it with?27:30 I don't I find out tomorrow. Well today by the time this podcast goes out so I'm I'm really excited. It's really fun. I'd loved loved watching them since I was a kid and like I think debating was like the first time I ever wrote a joke. So I'm really excited to Louis you are27:44 you are built for that. That's gonna be great. I'm finally27:47 being built for that was profitable.27:51 I look forward to you putting in a sterling effort to irrational fear.27:56 You know, I will that's the first thing Yeah,27:59 it's the first thing Have you written Have you written your piece yet? Yeah, we've28:01 got another rational people for them to do. No, I fucking haven't written the second one Jesus.28:08 Yes. If you're listening to this right now you're probably listening. Around the time we are performing on stage at the at the Q PAC at somehow at the World Science Festival in Brisbane this Sunday. You can still get tickets to that so please buy tickets for that and also the following week in Melbourne International Comedy Festival that is it for rational Phoebe thank you to rode mics Australian ethical our Patreon supporters Jacob brown on the teppanyaki timeline Rupert Degas who did that extraordinary David Attenborough. And until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mar 20, 2023 • 24min

News Fighters: NSW Election: Two Awful Men!

🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANEThis month Dylan Behan takes an in-depth look at all the big NSW state election issues from boat ramps to cashless gaming cards to superannuation for kids and why neither major party will do anything to actual tackle the biggest cost of living issue in NSW: astronomical rents. Also we look at the two middle aged white men who are determined to promise to do as little as possible in order to get your vote this Saturday.🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANEAnnouncer 0:01 This is News Fighters, where we fight the news so you don't have to.Dylan Behan 0:09 Yes, Hi everyone. Welcome to Episode 122 of news fighters for February 2023. If you haven't listened before News Fighters is an in depth yet comedic look at the big stories in Australian news, media and politics presented by me, TV comedy editing wizard and future AUKUS submarine captain Dylan Behan. Yes, thanks for joining us this month, once again on the A Rational Fear podcast feed. We had a great time with A Rational Fear down in Adelaide at the Fringe Festival. Thanks to everyone who came out and saw us there and this weekend. We're at the Brisbane Science Festival on Sunday. Get your tickets now but, a little bit south of the border, the New South Wales State election campaign feels like it's been in full swing for months now. And I'd totally understand if you haven't been paying attention to it because most of the policy announcements have been pretty uninspiring ones like this.Journalist 1:04 The premier was talking about water. He's hoping to hook voters with a $20 million promise to upgrade boating ramps and fishing facilities across the state.Dylan Behan 1:13 Yes in New South Wales 2023 will go down as the year of the boat ramp state election. Oh geez. This is the least interesting New South Wales State election I've covered and I've only covered two at least back in 2019. We had the spectacle of Labour leader Michael Daly's lucky meat pie Michael Daley 1:29 Before every election I've been doing it for 30 years are always gonna have my Lucky Piea pie and strawberry milk having my Lucky Pie.Journalist 1:37 What pie having Mr. Daley?Michael Daley 1:38 just a plain pie with strawberry milk is // eating a Lucky Pie for breakfast at a local shop // we opted for as usual fortifying election breakfast a pie and strawberry milk // For 30 years I had a Lucky Pie. No sauce beef,Journalist 1:53 No Sauce? Are you feeling confident? Michael Daley 1:54 Terrific. I have my lucky pie Journalist 1:56 Hoping what he eats tonight. He's not humble pie.Dylan Behan 2:00 Anyway, strap yourselves in everyone because this episode I'm taking a deep dive into all the big issues in the current New South Wales State election campaign. And before I begin, I'm sad to announce that I just don't have time to recap the past 12 years of scandals that have plagued the O'Farrell embed then Berejiklian Imperator a coalition governments you know, you know, all the scandals, the you know, the pork barreling or the brand stalking or the cushy overseas jobs with the boys or the fact koalas are facing extinction or the pandemic lockdown measures that unfairly targeted poor and migrant communities or the cracked rail carriages, or the stuffing up of the bushfire recovery or the stuffing up of the flood recovery or the lockout laws that said our nightlife and art scenes back by generation, or the failure of the government to implement any of the recommendations from the special commission of inquiry into the drug is or the way they've used StrikeForce rapidly to intimidate musical acts and try and get them to change their lyrics or the shocking stories of the sharing of pornographic images of Parliamentarians by other parliamentarians. I just haven't got time for any of that. Besides, I'm sure it's probably already been covered by a friendly jordiz In a funny accent. No, I'm just going to assume you're up to speed with all the corruption and scandals and we're going to jump right in to the choices facing New South Wales voters this Saturday. So I hear you asking who are the contenders for the top job? Well, first of all, is the current Premier and former treasurer, conservative liberal party leader and Millennial in name only Dominic parity. And Isn't he good at talking up his own record? Well,Dominic Perrottet 3:23 we need to do better. Well, I've always said we've got to do better. Can we do more? Yes, he alsoDylan Behan 3:28 needs to do better on knowing the ages of his seven young children. Journalist 3:31 Mr. Perrottet name all seven of your kids in age order.Unknown Speaker 3:35 Just not their age, Charlotte Amelia. Annabel, William. Harriet. Beatrice. Celeste.Dylan Behan 3:46 I can barely afford to have a cat Perrottet has been premier for almost 18 months and he's reputations held up despite the fact that he admitted to wearing a Nazi uniform in his own 21st birthday party. Surprisingly, the Australian public were quite forgiving of this, leading to this amazing voxpop Journalist 4:04 What did you think of him before this? Man on the street 4:06 Well, he seemed like an upstanding member of the community. Right? Seven kids.Journalist 4:11 What do you think of him now?Man on the street 4:13 Seven kids in a Nazi uniform!Dylan Behan 4:14 Yes, that also sounds like potential movie collaboration between Nancy Meyers and Mel Brooks this holidays, get ready for the heartwarming romcom seven kids and a Nazi uniform and then there's Labour leader Chris Minns. Now if you haven't heard of him, don't worry, because neither has anyone elseJournalist 4:31 on a day when a small poll found the majority of voters in the labor leaders knife edge seat. Can't name him. Do you know who this man is?Unknown Speaker 4:40 No, I don't it's the Leader of the Opposition. I just can't remember his name and on top of my head Did you know this man?Unknown Speaker 4:47 He's the opposition leader opposition of New South Wales, Chris somethingDylan Behan 4:50 Yeah, no worries. Good luck with that. It's not like you said is the most marginal in the entire state anyways. Also, there's probably a good reason why people in the Chinese community didn't recognize him Journalist 5:00 Chris Minns has suffered a little lost in translation incident. Cantonese speakers pointing out. These characters when spoken aloud can also sound a lot like having to use a bathroom. Dylan Behan 5:12 Yeah, so finally, if any Liberal staffers are caught urinating on men's posters outside polling booths on election day, they've got an excuse. The poster told them to in Cantonese! now on to Chris Minns' campaign itself and it appears to be focused on one big issueChris Minns 5:26 No privatization under labour. // New South Wales Labour will never sell Sydney Water //no more reckless energy privatizations // Sydney Water is on the ballot at this election campaign // and we'll do it all without privatizing Sydney Water // There's no point selling your house to fund an upgrade of your driveway.Dylan Behan 5:44 Yes, and I think I speak for most people in Sydney when I say what's a driveway? Jeez, what's this guy's obsession with Sydney Water? Oh, that's right. It's the only asset left that hasn't been privatized under the last 12 years with the Liberals and fun fact I just discovered it turns out that humans need water to live I just discovered that thanks wiki pedia! Yes, it turns out men seems to be copying word for word Anthony Albanese is small target strategy where you don't promise anything very much and instead just say they've been in too long. Give us a go!Chris Minns 6:12 The premier of New South Wales leads a team that's been in power for 12 years and is asking for 16 years in office. Now that's a long period of time for a team whose best days are behind them. / They're asking for 16 years in power. Their best days are behind them and their most experienced leaders have already departed // Our message to the people in New South Wales a straightforward vote for change.Dylan Behan 6:35 Yeah, it's pretty similar to Alba's pitch from last year. Anthony Albanese 6:38 Give us a crackDylan Behan 6:40 Speaking of Albanese. While Mr. Popularity Peter Dutton hasn't been seen anywhere on the New South Wales State election campaign trail. Albanese has been very visible making multiple appearances like this one.Journalist 6:50 Meanwhile, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese joined Labour leader Chris Mintz on the campaign trail. The pair went to a pub in Balmain. Before visiting unlike our childcare center,Dylan Behan 6:59 yes, they visited a pub then a childcare center and I think we have a clip of Albo at the childcare center here.Anthony Albanese 7:05 No, Chris means who will be a fantastic labour premier to have a majority on the floor of the Legislative Assembly.Dylan Behan 7:21 Oh, geez, maybe maybe switch to the light beers next time. Albo. Unfortunately Minns also appears to have stolen Scott Morrison's election campaign strategy of showing off his ship musical skills in public like he did here on the Kyle and Jackie O show. Chris Minns 7:35 Want a little bit of Acca Dacca (plays guitar)Dylan Behan 7:44 Thanks Minzy that will fix the housing crisis. Oh, are we going with Minzy? Sorry, I didn't any satirists listening can you have we haven't heard I haven't got a memo we go with Minzy or something bit more Ozzy like Christo or are we gonna do a scomo thing and like first name last name it so it'd be like Cri-Mi. Cri... creamy. Well, it will be his nickname. Anyways, the rising cost of living appears to be the single biggest issue for voters this election with rent, mortgages, power prices, groceries and transport costs, all eating up more and more of the weekly family budget. But don't worry, Chris Minns has a big planJournalist 8:23 Labor's big policy is to scrap the public sector wage cap, which currently limits pay rises to three and three and a half percent. And soChris Minns 8:30 we can strike a fair deal for essential workers right across New South Wales, we will remove the wages kept.Dylan Behan 8:38 Yes, this is great news for public service workers. This will help the public service hire and retain workers and help them with their cost of living issues. However, unless there's also a rent cap, I'm not sure how this isn't going to just keep feeding inflation and keep making housing and everything else more expensive for everyone has anyone thought this through. Meanwhile, power prices are also shaping up to be a huge election issue with no lead up insight.Journalist 9:02 Good evening, it's going to be a cold and costly winter for many in Sydney, with authorities flagging a 23% jump in power prices from July one the biggest increase ever.power prices are set for a steep increase of around 20%. Yes,Dylan Behan 9:17 electricity prices keep going up and up. But I think this pension has figured out a surefire way to beat the system.Journalist 9:23 90 year old reg has an easier path,Reg 9:26 With a bit of luck I'll die and won't have to worry about it at all.Dylan Behan 9:29 Yes, that's one way to beat the high living costs associated with late stage capitalism just stop living. Thankfully, both parties have a plan to bring power prices down and Labour's is to create a state owned Energy Corporation and well, won't it provide immediate relief.Chris Minns 9:47 I'm going to be honest with the people of New South Wales and say that the benefits of this policy will be felt six and seven years down the line and it's not possible for me to explain seven years they're gonna have to wait it's important that I get this out and Got to make sure that you've got firming power, particularly in relation to pumped hydro. Those projects take a lot of timeJournalist 10:06 on power bills in your state owned energy company. Seven years it'll take to have any impact on a family's energy bill. Seven years. Is that fair?Chris Minns 10:17 I think in context, it's the right policy for what we're facing today. And the voters are smart enough to say Labour's got a plan for long term energy reform in New South Wales. The liberal party has got a cash handout.Dylan Behan 10:28 Well, Chris Minns has a lot of faith in New South Wales voters they're thinking now prioritize long term structural reform over a quick sugar hit cash handout, which is exactly what Perrottet and the Liberals are proposing to try and fix power prices,Journalist 10:42 a half a billion dollar elections sweetener is now an offer worth $250 per household, just for looking at a website to compare power prices.And here's the important thing to note. You don't have to switch to get the discount. You just have to look,is it really responsible to be paying $250 to anyone just to Google their power provider?Dominic Perrottet 11:03 Absolutely. Because we want people to go online and see if they're on the best deal possible. Dylan Behan 11:07 Yes, that's right. The Liberals are going to give you a turn and $50 power price discount just for going on the internet. Finally an excuse for me being online all the time. Honey, are you looking at duck videos again on the internet, no honey just shopping around for power prices. (quack noises) Meanwhile, Labour's decided to match the $250 rebate but only offer it to a much smaller number of households in a much more targeted way.Journalist 11:34 Labour is promising the same amount, but to just half the households with only those on income support pensioners and seniors eligibleDylan Behan 11:42 Yes, labour of course, in typical labour fashion has completely forgotten about working poor people. But since when was the labor movement about working people anyways, that's what I want to know. Sorry, working poor people, you should have been even poor. Also on the cost of living crisis, the liberals have announced a policy to try and bring down the cost of groceries and that policy is to add more bureaucracy and just watch how good premiere parity was at selling it. At the channel line debate.Journalist 12:10 You have said that you will bring down grocery bills by appointing a new supply chain Commissioner. So for example, on a basket of groceries that costs $100, how much cheaper will that be? Well, we knowDominic Perrottet 12:22 Liz, in terms of the cost of inflation, that the one of the biggest impacts on that is supply chain costs. And so putting this commissioner in, I can't give you $1 figure on that. But what I do know what I do know is that we can get produce from port to plate faster and working with the industry that will put downward pressure on grocery prices across our state. Yes, DomDylan Behan 12:43 I'm sure those famously disorganized Fly By Night operators known as Coles and Woolworths don't know anything about logistics and have just been winging it the whole time. They definitely need some government help in this area. What the hell what what what will the supply chain Commissioner do anyways? Turn on the shaft signal to get toilet paper back on the shelves. Then we haven't even got to the Liberals big news signature cost of living policy they've announced this election, giving free money to rich babiesJournalist 13:13 An investment in children that will set up the next generation. That's how the premier describes his signature election promise of $400 per child. In an Australian first kids Future Fund,the government would deposit $400 To start the account. Each year parents can contribute up to $1,000. With the government matching contributions dollar for dollar up to $400. Assuming interest of 7% and regular parental contributions the fund could reach between $28,500.40 $9,000 By the time the child turns 18. Only then can they withdraw it to spend on either a house deposit or for skills and education like a university degree or TAFE course, children whose parents received Family Tax benefits would get an automatic $200 A year from the government.Dominic Perrottet 14:06 Reportedly, it furthers the central mission of our Liberal Party to spread equality of opportunity far and wide.Dylan Behan 14:15 Yes, that's right. And nothing spreads equality more equally like making sure already we'll have kids graduate high school with an extra 50 grand in their bank account to go towards paying off their hex earlier or get them on that property ladder sooner. Now that's real equality, Liberal Party style parity tried to sound empathetic when introducing this policy.Dominic Perrottet 14:35 Well, that is all about making sure that our children have greater opportunities than we do. Right now. It's the opposite. We burden our children with hex and housing debt before they even start. We're all worried about our kids capacity to be able to buy a home and also the cost of education.Dylan Behan 14:52 Yes, Dom If only somebody could do something about the massive sky high cost of housing and education in this state, if only so Somebody could do something. Yes the kids Future Fund policy is such a clearly bad policy favoring the rich. It even turns Sky News accidentally left wing.Journalist 15:10 What are these 18 year olds going to be doing with 10s of 1000s of dollars? I'm sorry, give it back to the government for their education apparently. Hope you get into the housing market to pay you $50,000 That might cover the state government's land tax or financial duties. That's outrageous.Dylan Behan 15:28 Yes in talking about the Liberals trying to patch over problems that they themselves created. They're also trying to win favor with toll road drivers and public transport patrons after years. Of increasesJournalist 15:39 the premier making a promise to cut the opal cap from 50 to $40 a week saving almost $500 a year.Some cash flow relief is coming for half a million motorists across Sydney with road toll rebates offering up to $750 back Dominic Perrottet 15:56 and we want to use our financial strength to help budgets right across New South Wales,Dylan Behan 16:01 Perrottet is so brazen are trying to fix the problems that his party created. That I'm amazed his election slogan isn't something like a vote Liberal this state election because only the Liberals can bring down the high prices that the Liberals are responsible for. Well, at least Sydney public transport is going to be capped at $40 a week if the Liberals win because this is a public transport system definitely worth paying money for Good eveningJournalist 16:24 Sydney's transport systems are in chaos tonight. Sydney's entire train network was brought to a standstill today leaving 1000s of passengers stranded. How are you going to get home tonight?Commuter 16:35 I don't know. Journalist 16:36 The entire rail network was shut down when communications failed, Commuter 16:41 They cann't keep doing this door off. We're paying our faresJournalist 16:44 live wires fell onto the train trapping more than 500 passengersCommuter 16:48 I have been working for 50 years and I've never seen it this bad it's an absolute joke. Journalist 16:53 People have been forced to wait hours for trains Commuter 16:57 Two times this week I've missed shifts and that's money out of my paycheck Journalist 17:00 so people are being told to avoid train travel if they can but good luck if you can find another way home // commuters advise to delay travel if they can maybe stay in town for a beer Commuter 17:11 Absolutely crap!Dylan Behan 17:12 Yes What a group of satisfied customers Sydney public transport communities are the official slogan of Sydney trains should just be go to the pub instead. imagine any other service or product where this counts as a good review. Commuter 17:24 Absolutely crap. Dylan Behan 17:26 Thank you for your compliment, sir. Can we use it in the new Sydney trains advertising campaign? Meanwhile, Labour's election winning infrastructure strategy is that they're going to build less infrastructure because you know, Sydney isn't growing at all and everything works perfectly all the time.Journalist 17:39 A major tunnel project through the Blue Mountains would be scrapped under a Chris Minns premiership as labour seeks to tighten spending it adds to a growing list of government projects Labour will shelve including a metro from Westmead to the aerotropolis. Raising Warragamba Dam wall and the Northern BeachesChris Minns 17:58 are not going to sell essential assets in New South Wales to build infrastructure. Now the premier has a $50 billion infrastructure plan that is completely unfunded.Dylan Behan 18:08 Yeah, it might be completely unfunded now, but have you seen the cost of public transport in the city? No, those new metros will be paid off in no time anyways, maybe Chris means is right. And we can't actually afford to build any more infrastructure. But personally, I can't really afford to put up with the infrastructure the way it is at the moment. I have to allow three hours a day to commute to a job 12 kilometers away if we don't build any more infrastructure in this state, me and everyone I know I just got to move to Tasmania and live in a tree house and eat bugs because that's better for my mental health than dealing with Sydney public transport on a daily basis. Anyways, at least Labour has said they're going to do something for drivers by introducing a $60 a week toll cap you know, finally getting those toll costs down to a much more manageable $3,000 a year for just driving in Sydney. But even that comes with strings and more bureaucracy attached.Journalist 19:00 You're giving truckies and trainees of rebate to drive on the M5 and the M8. What about truckies who used the M7 to m4 they don't matter.Chris Minns 19:11 Now they do matter. And I'd love to do more. It's one of the reasons where we're appointing Professor Allan Fels to do a full review of tolls in New South Wales.Dylan Behan 19:19 Oh perfect. A total review reviews always work great. Just look at all the high speed rail lines Australia has now after 30 years of nonstop reviews. Oh and speaking of proposed reviews that are intended to achieve absolutely nothing that's also Labour's answer to the government's proposed cashless gaming card for pokies.Journalist 19:39 The coalition has promised to make poker machines in pubs and clubs cashless by 2028 Labour has committed to a trial of cashless gaming on 500 of the state's 90,000 machinesChris Minns 19:50 In relation to capitalist gaming in New South Wales. We'll have a trial of 500 machines and an independent panel that will make a recommendation to the New South Wales Government in short, Alex If it works, we'll do it. But I want to make sure that when we pursue policy in New South Wales, we know that it will work and my reluctance in relation to this and the need to have evidence based processes in place is because it's in operation in only one place around the world. And that's in Norway is partJournalist 20:17 of this about trying to avoid a powerful campaign against the Labour Party from the club lobby?Chris Minns 20:23 is Mis, Dylan Behan 20:24 Yes, he's not afraid just because registered clubs donated over $400,000 to the New South Wales Labour Party between 2011 and 2021 doesn't mean Chris Minns isn't going to stand up to them. Yes. In fact, Labour's attitude to the cashless gaming card is a bit like if your flatmate proposed that the flat had a housework schedule, so the house was clean. And you're like, "look, this everyone cleaning the house on a schedule thing hasn't been proven to work anywhere or arrived. I propose a four week shared housework trial, and then we can get an independent panel to rule whether having a house work schedule is right for this house. Just because Norway has it doesn't mean it'll work here alright". Mind you. It turns out Chris Minns might not wind up having a choice on the cashless gaming card. Because if Labour is in a minority position, and they need to do a deal with the greens to form government, well, it's going to be conditional on their support.Cate Faehrmann 21:16 The Greens will also be seeking a commitment to a mandatory statewide cashless gambling card for our support. Just to be clear, we won't settle for half measures. And we won't be fooled by a trial that has been set up to fail. Yeah, isn't it funnyDylan Behan 21:34 how we haven't heard much from the Greens this election campaign in the media I'm guessing it's because their lefty hippie socialist policies are so out there that just alienate the mainstream.Journalist 21:44 The greens are pushing for an immediate rent freeze demanding no new coal or gas projects, rent control, a cashless gaming card and scrapping anti protest laws.Dylan Behan 21:54 Geez, what are the Greens thinking there? A rent freeze to bring down the cost of rent? Haven't they heard the only way to fight the cost of living crisis is to give out free money to well off parents and have inquiries and appoint powerless commissioners. Didn't they get the memo? So in conclusion, New South Wales voters are faced with an unenviable choice this state election. The Liberals and Nationals are obsessed with handing out free money to people who don't really need it in the hope that everyone forgets what a corrupt shitshow they've been the last 12 years. Meanwhile, Labour's plan if it wins is to try and appear slightly less corrupt than the other guys while kowtowing to their own special interest donors and simultaneously building nothing in the hope it makes them appear to be fiscally responsible until one day, we all wind up living in the park across the street from our work because nobody can afford to rent anywhere anymore and anyway, it takes 14 hours to get to work on the train because they're so old and overcrowded. Yes, and faced with these two terrible choices at the ballot box this Saturday. I think it's safe to say that all New South Wales voters can kind of relate to 92 year old rages attitude about the state of the world,Reg 23:07 With a bit of luck I'll die and won't have to worry about it at all.Dylan Behan 23:12 Alrighty, that's news fighters for February. Thanks for listening to my big New South Wales State election Deep Dive this episode took over 50 hours to create so if you enjoyed it, please pitch in to the irrational fear Patreon at patreon.com/arationalfear. News fighters is written produced and edited by me Dylan Behan for irrational fear. You can follow me on Twitter at dylabolical or email me at Dylan at newsfighters.com Don't forget all new episodes of news fighters are now on the a rational fear podcast feed subscribe at a rational fear.com or you can watch us on YouTube at youtube.com/newsfighters and news fighters is on social media on Twitter and Instagram at newsfighterspod if you want to keep up with all things news fighters, sign up for our free newsletter and news fighters.com Alrighty, that's it for now. I'll see everyone in Brisbane at irrational fear this weekend. Keep fighting and bye for now.Announcer 24:16 This is News fighters where we find the news. So you don't have seven kids in a Nazi uniform. 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Mar 17, 2023 • 42min

460 ft long Subs — Adam Bandt, Amelia Navascues, Lewis Hobba, and Dan Ilic

🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANEJoining us for this week's podcast is Amelia Navascues, who you can see at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival in a couple of weeks time.🎟 Tickets to Amelia's show Blurrier IRL And we have a wide ranging chat with Leader of the Greens, Adam Bandt MP. We talk submarines, safeguard mechanism, and how he works with the climate independants.I should point out during this NSW Election period, we have asked Chris Minns, and Matt Kean to also join us, but no luck so far on that front. Apparently they're busy.🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN MELBOURNE🎟️ BUY TICKETS TO THE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE SHOW IN BRISBANE0:00 This podcast is supported in part by Australian ethical. It's my favourite time of the week when I hear that music Lewis I don't know about you, but none of our podcast listeners will ever know what that music is. Because it's the music we have on our web streaming video anyway, so thank you.0:15 It does feel like yeah, we're just about to introduce a BEx ad on blankety blank. So it's a real old school television moment.0:25 That's right. That's right. And I am ugly David grey. Welcome to irrational fear. We've got two new people on the Patreon this month big thank you to Bruce and Kamini. Incidentally, Bruce and Kamini sounds like an architect firm. I'd love them to build me a presidential library that would be great. Bruce and Kamini, thank you so much for joining us on Patreon. We've got two things Louis, I need to make you aware of in particular because your presence is needed. Brisbane next Sunday, the 26th of March. We've still got a few seats left for that it's going to be fun. And Lewis you will love this and you know me very well I have shot a rap a parody of a bad eight Israel.1:04 Jesus, Stan,1:06 you know why? Because it why? Because it must be done. It must be done. It will all be explained live on stage. We're going to talk about1:15 2023 We're not doing parody rap anymore. I know. Even the Lonely Island isn't doing parody rap anymore. And they were actually good. And1:23 I know, I know. But I couldn't resist. If anything, it's a rap of a parody of a parody. So does that mean it's like your Icarus? Already? That's fine. It's fine and funny. It's good. We shot it. And it's funny. I'm excited to show everyone in Brisbane. It's gonna be there. You can decide next week and tell me what you think I was really excited to hear your thoughts.1:48 I don't want to turn this whole intro into this. But when was the last time you listened to a song in the genre of hip hop? That wasn't a parody you had written?1:56 I can't remember it doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. Yeah,2:00 parody gets genre you know nothing about it makes me deeply. I'm a big2:03 fan of my own work. Alright, the other thing you need to know is that Melbourne is about half sold. And there's going to be a bit of a surprise on stage you as an audience member will get the chance to win a piece of Victorian politics history. Does that intrigue you Lewis?2:20 It does. I can't wait to get down Andrew as part of it.2:24 Well, it's very much along those lines. What if I said the word Chappaquiddick to you? What does that mean? In terms of Victorian niche politics history?2:33 I'm assuming it's a car accident. I'm hoping it doesn't involve it.2:38 There isn't a death there is a car accident. Yes, there's something to do with Tim Smith and the word Chappaquiddick and it's gonna be pretty excited reveal on stage so I can't wait to share that with you. Or in Melbourne, April 2 on stage,2:54 you're giving away the remnants of Tim Smith's career. No one's gonna want it.2:57 That is so closely we're so close. Oh, you almost got it. I'm recording my irrational fear on Gadigal land in your nation. Sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show. The following3:08 programme contains medium coarse language and traces of nuts. A rational fear recommends listening by immature audiences. Comedians experts sloughing at the world as it burns down around. This is a rational fear.3:33 Tonight, the stock price of Credit Suisse plummets causing worldwide financial turmoil. Authorities in Switzerland say they are no longer going to hide money in the holes in the cheese. And the US has warned tic TOCs Chinese owners they must sell due to security concerns. Tik Tok respond to threats with two dances and a makeup tutorial that talks continue. And Australia is to legalise MDMA for medicinal use as one reaches virtual said, Oh man, I fucking love you man, man. I mean, just menu, but I can tell. I can tell Hey, seriously, no, seriously, we just wish to start a podcast together man. It's the 16th of March 2023. And with more poker machines in Nevada, this is irrational fear.4:13 This is a rational fear.4:27 Welcome to rational fear. I'm your host caliphal Sydney identity Dan Ilic. And this is the show that takes the news and forces upon it a trilateral agreement whether you want it or not. Joining us tonight is how we've got our own trilateral agreement. It's very exciting here. Our first theme manga is about to launch her debut solo show at the Melbourne International Comedy Festival. It's called blurrier IRL writer, performer producer podcast host Amelia. Now that skews Welcome to irrational fear.4:53 Hello, yay. Hi. Thanks for having me. All that stuff people say at the top of pot Ha.5:01 Are you pumped? Are you pumped for your debut in Melbourne?5:04 Yeah, pumped. It's good. I like the bulletins that they send to all of the performers because the most recent one that they said was mental health. Make sure you call the hotline if you guys are stressed. Emails, you guys get it?5:16 Oh, this is your first time doing the Comedy Festival. It's, yeah, yeah. This will make sense in week two,5:23 and also on the show is Lewis Lewis. Welcome to your podcast. co host irrational fear.5:28 Thanks, Dan. A pleasure to be here and across everything as per usual, let's talk about all the things that are on this show. Right.5:36 Adam ban is popping in we'll ask him about the CPRS probably but first here's a message from this week's sponsor.5:41 irrational fear is brought to you by New South Wales poker machine ASMR. Clinics. Free drink sips the jangle of cash from five Cleopatra's but the sweetest sound of all is when donations in your election campaign bank account, if you like the sound of staying in government and the sound of Nazi photos quietly being shredded ditch that cashless poker machine cards, or else authorised by collapse New South Wales in a very non threatening way. Campbelltown6:12 this week's first fear blackouts in Adelaide are being caused by bats. Of course if you live in South Australia, you already know this by the more colloquial name. The bat out Yes. Last year 89 blackouts in Adelaide were attributed to bats resting on power lines in the wee hours of the morning as bats went to and fro from feeding authorities tried to call a subcontractor to deal with a problem known as Batman, but they didn't have power to get the signal out fear mongers what is going on with Adelaide bats, Amelia?6:42 Well, I think this is clear that the bats are plotting revenge for a speciesist inflicted discrimination after COVID. That's clearly what's going on here. Let's be real South Australia clearly had some strong opinions during the pandemic, and they're just plotting their revenge. I think that's so interesting. I don't know why I targeted South Australia specifically, but I think they had any particularly different opinions to the rest of the nation.7:09 Do you think that? Like obviously, I've been I assume you haven't communicated with the bats? I don't want to make any presumptions.7:17 Personally,7:18 yeah, you personally, because obviously this the approach you've taken here is that the bats wrongly slighted or taking their revenge. The other alternative is they're just trying for the second time to wipe out7:36 that's true. My other thought around it was that like it's a lot of bats like to cause the electrical surges, but they also get killed as a result, right. Like they don't survive. So part of me was also thinking like, maybe the bats aren't okay, like know what there's no like, are you okay, day line for the8:02 I don't know how you do ask because you have you have to sort of do it in like echoes.8:06 I think it's echolocation right. It's like sonar. Hmm. So maybe if you made a physical sign that said, Are you okay, bats, they could bounce the waves off the physical sign and actually read it like Braille or8:17 possibly if it is sonar, a great thing that might be able to ask you about if they're okay, is our new submarines. They, I imagine, have some sort of sonar detector being built in South Australia. Yeah, that's right. Maybe that's why in fact, maybe that's why the bats are killing themselves in South Australia. Maybe they know that once they build the submarines that the submarines will be able to pick up on their plan, which is of course to overthrow Australia and eventually the world. wants it so no king goes off. If they need to take us down before the orcas deal goes through.8:50 A rational fear what is rational fear? In fear, satisfied headlines and giving them a little tickle.9:00 scams are back in fashion the I triple se scam which has revealed that 14,585 people last year were done out of $664,000 just by clicking on toll notices from from scammers on their phones. Meanwhile, I can confirm that about 331 people have been scammed on Patreon for paying for this podcast which is otherwise free. You know, the scammer knows the scam II do how do we sympathise with these people who are being scammed Amelia?9:31 Ah, I don't know. I think I have a lot of sympathy for like the victims of any scams because a lot of the times like they're really vulnerable. They're people in their 70s or 80s. Like you think about those romance scammers in particular like they're often like widowed like I think you feel pretty bad like knowing that like imagine if that was your mom right? Like you'd feel pretty bad knowing that you teaching your mom how to use Facebook in good faith all those years ago would like lately to lose In your entire inheritance10:02 my mom's cheating on my dad10:07 none of that my mom thinks there's a real problem with immigrants. I don't know where she's getting that information.10:13 It is crazy. I don't like it is so noticeable the amount I got another I got one today they are getting so specific like it started off as like, you know, it was very broad. You have a fine you haven't paid but now it's like, they're like I got a quite a specific one from my actual phone provider. That was I think they're just like they pick phone providers and send them out you but they just happened to get mine right. And I was like, nearly clicked on it. And I'm like that they're not going to they're not going to send you a hyperlink in your text Lewis like and also this isn't from Vodafone. This is just from a random number. And I'm like I'm relatively across this stuff. And I and there was a moment where I nearly I nearly did. But I have been done once I got caught. I did fall for one email phishing scam and it was the worst moment of my professional life. The10:59 font curls empty size 4611:04 I mean, was this was this back? Was this back when you were working for Norton Antivirus?11:10 They promised me an extra couple of inches I couldn't resist. No. It was like one of those. The first time I ever saw one of those. Have you seen this thing about you? Text? I don't know if you've ever gotten one of those gets that one. It's literally that's all it says it's a text message or an email targeted to11:27 people in the public eye specifically, have you seen this about you?11:31 Anxious now? I was like, Oh, no.11:36 What did I say that it's gonna hit me cancel.11:39 So I clicked on it and and it ended up getting every single person in my contact book. And, and then they and then I had to do like a full apology email to every like, professional people that I hadn't seen in years. It was it just as at the time I was like under 30. And as a person under 30 to have to email a bunch of boomers and go, I was fished on an email scam. Like you might as well retire. You know, I don't know how I recovered from that. First12:08 of all, you got to do a lot of explaining to those boomers, what phishing and email scam was.12:14 Okay, it's quite different. Spelling is similar.12:17 It's a bit like q&a on crack. Moose is a rational fear.12:25 This week's third fear we're getting new submarines maybe costing us $368 billion. Australia is getting a handful of underwater tubes that can shoot more underwater tubes. $368 billion may sound like a lot of money. But really that's only 368 years of the ABC. That's all that's all it is. That's all that is. nuclear subs. Lewis. What do you think about these subs excited about nucleus? I couldn't be12:49 more excited. Dan, I look I know. You know, Paul Keating, a lot of naysayers, a lot of cowards. A lot of people who pissed the bed at the side of the Chinese invasion. They're saying no. But me i i know full well that the boys and women, the men and women and who are under the seas are the ones who protect us every day for the great undersea threats that we face. I know that we haven't had a working submarine since Federation. I know we've had a lot of13:20 didn't act that way.13:23 Yeah, I you know what, I think this time is gonna be different. I know. There's no reason to believe that. And I know now we've added a little nuclear twist, which I think is an exciting, I can't wait to see how we fucked this up. I think13:36 it's so interesting. Like, the first steps we're getting there are going to be second hand American submarines. So we're gonna get American submarines that are going to be cleaned up and sent to us. And the head of budget range and the story like the government saying, Oh, it's gonna be between 278,000,000,370 8 billion, like that's a that's $100 billion. Like difference, like, that's it What a crazy range. I can only assume that 100 billion dollars is dependent on whether we actually convert the American submarines to right hand drive, I assume. I think14:05 it's whether or not we get tinted windows. I think that's quite14:09 you know, what gets me is like, I don't know anything about boats. I don't know why I would but like, what got me was when they said that they need to replace the submarines every two years. I'm like, that doesn't sound like a trustworthy boat. If anything, like if you have to replace your boat. At the same time that you have to replace a phone like don't go 20 metres underwater. I grew up not your life purpose.14:34 You really want to hope these Virginia class submarines or IP 68 Or you know,14:39 whatever, if you ever talk to any like relatively wealthy person, and you ask them what's the worst investment you've ever made? They'll always say a racehorse or a boat for similar reasons, which is that they will break and and eventually you'll lose all your money and it's just like, this is the multi multi multi billion dollar version of that we can't make planes that fly. We can't make helicopters that do their job. We can we barely make human being soldiers that can't commit war crimes. You know what I mean? Like, our country's military is pretty fucking rogue. I just wonder if at this point we might have to just give up,15:20 but just give up the country? No. Did we?15:23 If we just had no military, right? No one's fucking invading us. No one's gonna, like, what are they coming for?15:32 You know what, as well. They're underwater. No one can see them. I feel like a whole big visibility piece in war is that someone somewhere can see it. But if it's under the water, can't we just say that submarines are attacking each other? And we could just make up the facts? Like why do we need the boat?15:50 Amelia? That is why I'm going into the submarine building business. And we'll be launching our first submarine in 20 years. It's gonna cost $3 billion. Amelia, you're the you're the you're the foreman. You're gonna be running the sharks.16:04 It's so good. It's like, you know how when you sometimes move into a house that's in a sketchy neighbourhood, you'll put up a beware of the dog sign or like you put up like a security camera that doesn't work. We should just around Australia put up giant signs that are like submarines operating in this area. Watch out16:23 with these submarines. They are nuclear which means nuclear disposal nuclear waste is already debate about where that's gonna go Western Australia came out today to say we're not us. We don't have enough. We just don't. Australia just don't. Like well, that kind of makes sense. Because they couldn't be trusted with one bit of radioactive Lego brick. So they're like, well, we we can't even we can't even manage the Lego brick radioactivity. We can't What are we gonna do with the reactor? They everyone's kind of putting the pressure on South Australia to to build a hole. But that put that in?16:53 You mean a second hole has already Adelaide? Oh, well, you're ready to sell tickets anymore.17:00 There's a great comment from Peter Dutton on this and I swear this is not from butter. But he said he would love he would support the cuts to the NDIS in order to make way for the subs. Oh my God, when I saw that, I laughed. A big belly laugh. And it was just Oh, that's so typical. Like, that is the that is the most what? Like, someone would have written that as a joke. Like, that's not a joke. You're actually saying that.17:29 It's so much cut. What if we just bought one? Let them have one. You know, what are we looking at? They're like 20 billion 30 billion 40 billion. Like, we can have one. We'll give him one. But not as not 16 or whatever it is madness. I kind of I do feel like it's so funny that Paul Keating is the one that has turned the tide on this. An old man just like pointing his finger at the cigar. No, no, it's randomly managed to turn this around.17:57 There is a point to all this. That is the rise of the PLA and Zhi Jing ping did lay down a challenge to say, y'all need to get ready to invade Taiwan by 2027. Is this something we should be worried about in Australia? Or do we just go let them invade?18:14 I just don't think it's the same thing they don't they don't like Taiwan and Australia are different for literally all of the reasons. They're not similar in any way at all. I mean, there's like, these are very different situations are not quite it, this whole thing seems insane to me. Like I feel like, like maybe Albanese has like a kid who wants to be a submariner somewhere, like, there's got to be a shoe that drops in this conversation that we just haven't got to yet.18:41 It's so funny seeing the press coverage in the Sydney Morning Herald and the age in the lead up to this, their giant Red Dawn kind of media blitz scared the manufacturing of consent to kind of build up to this moment. It's so strange to kind of see, you know, actually happen unfold, unfolding in front of your eyes. And this time, now, being an old person now, and seeing many war cycles and seeing the media go through these war cycles by kind of saying, all the scary stuff that's leading up to an announcement and you're like, oh, and then when you see the actual announcement drop, you're like, Oh, well, that clearly makes sense. Because for the last three weeks, the major broadsheet has been kind of selling the idea of, of defence you know, in a major way, and here we are, here is the pie. We need to eat. So interesting. Like it's so it's kind of it makes me feel a bit disgusting. Like, knowing like seeing through the scene through the facade going, Oh, that's just what they're doing. In a moment. There's gonna be a huge19:33 rock or again, this is fun.19:36 Yeah, we lived it again. This is the worst sequel ever because we know the ending. Well,19:39 I think if we do want a solution that can make people feel a little more comforted in the event of an invasion or anything like that. We've got some super bats. Like they can protect us surely. We've got sky. We've got bats in the sky. We've got fake submarines underwater. Land. Do you bet like, come on?20:02 Yeah, good point,20:03 I'm not worried about an attack from China under the under the sea, I'm worried about a cyber attack on Bunnings. That's what I'm concerned about. And when that happens, that's when we send in the bats tit for tat.20:14 The only podcast made entirely by artificial intelligence, rational fear.20:23 If you're on the free feed, you're about to hear a live read from the Western AI about our sponsor, if you're on the Patreon, you're about to hear Adam Bandt. One story we didn't get to Louis is that during the pandemic, there was a whole bunch of people who pulled money out of their super fund. And the first thing that many people did was gamble, gamble that they gamble with their money. Can you believe that? I can absolutely believe it. Yeah, it's very sad thing to do. But you know, one thing you shouldn't do is gamble on the future of the planet, Louis? Well, I20:52 mean, it depends, then because what if you put the future of the planet on red? And then it comes up? Right? You know what I mean? Suddenly, the future the planet is looking twice as good. I'm not saying obviously, the odds are a little under 5050. But at the moment, probably less than 5050. Anyway, I reckon it's21:09 not bad odds. One group who aren't gambling with your money is Australian ethical. They're only investing in ethical businesses that are met. That means no fossil fuels, no companies that are detrimental to the earth. I just saw they divested from LendLease this week, which is incredible, because LendLease is doing some tricky things with land in New South Wales and koalas and overdevelopment. So that's really fascinating stuff from them. So and they are also sponsoring irrational fear. So big thank you to Australia, if they got down21:35 when the pandemic was on, I removed my money from my super and I invested in human trafficking. Now. I'm just wondering, what Australia legals position on human trafficking against against it21:47 that said it right. They're against it. They're, they're against human trafficking? Well, I mean,21:51 how did they come to this position?21:53 I don't know. You know, you should definitely ask Adam, if he and21:57 I will, I intend to give.22:02 Adam Bandt is joining us live via the Internet himself, one that he is in charge of because he's part of the government. Adam, welcome to rational. Hi, Dan. Thanks for joining us, Adam. It's always great to hear you pop in the show every three months. And we just want to ask you one question again.22:22 It's about the CPRS.22:28 I'll have you know that I was in Cape Town last month with an Irish journalist. And he said to my face, Google it mate. I love the google it mate guy. Can you believe that? I was in Cape Town with an Irish journalist. And they were quoting you? How do you feel22:43 about that? That's nice. I thought you're better say that he asked about the CPRS. But22:51 Adam, what where are you at? At the moment? Obviously, it's a very busy time for you for the greens for you know, climate change policy in general. What's the mood?23:00 I saw a tweet today that said, Well, look, we're about to come out of a learning year. What's the next couple of summers going to be like, and my sense from talking to people is that, but really, for a lot of people, people are starting to get worried about what the climate crisis is going to mean. And we've had sort of a bit of a wet time and sort of some reasonably wet summers. And I think now sort of Penny has dropped that it's that's not going to last. And so I think there's a growing sense that we've got to get our skates on that time is running out, and that we've got to act. And I think we saw that sort of manifested at the last election really, when you've got people that greens vote go up. But also independents winning seats, or former liberals in the independents who've got better climate policies than the government does, like suggests to me that there's actually a real mood and a real shift amongst people that was expressed at the election that says radio, it's really time to get on with it.24:01 I want to know, how are you working with those independents? Like, what's the what's the vibe like working with those community, independents in federal parliament? And how are you thinking about that movement as you head into state elections?24:15 I was very interesting in the the New South Wales election that's on at the moment, we saw not only the greens, but even now independents saying that in balance of power, they'll push for action on coal and gas and saying stop opening new coal and gas and rewind, a parliament or two ago, and it was just us who are pushing that. And I think there's a growing sense, like, including amongst independents, like if you're not tied to the fossil fuel industry, if you're not taking the donations from the coal and gas corporations, you just look at it. And it's like, it's common sense, right? And so why would you open up new coal and gas mines in the middle of a climate crisis? And what we're finding is the Greens have been doing this for a while, but now also a number of the community independents, who are able to speak with us Science and speak for what I think, you know, a large section of the Australian population are thinking and saying things that that in many instances match things that we've been saying for a long time. And I think that's really good. I think that's really good that we now have this parliament were sort of roughly speaking a third of the country, just less than that votes for the government a third votes for the opposition and a third votes for someone else. And if you had the kind of electoral system that you had in New Zealand, for example, that would just that would require multi party government all the time. And we're seeing versions of that I think being played out in our parliament. Now. I just think it's really good.25:38 What about the coalition with the government in New South Wales putting a ban on on mining offshore? That's pretty interesting. Do you take credit for that pushing them into that position?25:48 Well, this is exactly the point if the New South Wales, liberals can say that they're going to put a ban on, I think it was gas, oil and coal mining offshore. I didn't know coal mining offshore was a big industry. That's good. I stepped up. And, of course, a few asterisks and caveats. We've got26:10 an open cut mine, it's called the Pacific Ocean.26:14 So I mean, it's like there's, you know, there's, I believe that when I see it from the liberals, but the fact that they now think that it is in their electoral interests to say something like that, in the lead up to the election, I think shows how much the population has shifted. And The Australia Institute did a poll at the end of last year. That said, two thirds of people under 34 and 57% of the population generally don't want new coal oil or gas mines, right. And that's 57% of the population generally. And I think the penny kinda hasn't yet dropped in parliament that this is now a majority opinion.26:51 Who is the who's the 30 year old person, or the the 30% of those 30 year old people walking around going, you know, what we need around here? We need some new coal and gas I've always said27:03 so and I've given the given the like, debate at the moment, like, you know, not not in the New South Wales State election, which is also very interesting. But But federally, obviously, there's a lot of chit chat about, you know, Labour's policy at the moment, communicating with you needing your support. How's that looking? Where are you at?27:21 So the government's got a plan for a thing called the safeguard mechanism that basically allows unlimited numbers of coal and gas mines to come into the system. And they don't actually have to reduce their pollution, they just have to buy offsets, and they can keep on polluting what you've said to them. We think there's some real problems with the scheme. And but look, we're prepared to, I guess, put aside our concerns and vote for it if you disagree, to stop making the problem worse, and stop opening new coal and gas now.27:53 As a touring comedian, Adam, I sometimes fly between capital cities, and I do tick the box, and I know that that $2.70 of carbon offsets is doing fuck. But I check it because it makes me feel good.28:08 Qantas profits are doing pretty well, though, Dan. So maybe you're helping. That's good. Yeah,28:11 I'm helping out Alan Joyce. Yeah, well, I28:14 mean, he's just yet right. It's like these offsets for especially the large scale for Woodside that is proposing one just one of Woodside new projects, the Scarborough project off Western Australia, that alone would wipe out any climate gains from all of the 215 corporate entities covered by the safeguard mechanism put together 2030, right that we're talking about. And there's at least six new gas projects and more than six new coal projects that are in the pipeline between now and 2030. And more than 100 in the pipeline altogether. So these for these going, Woodside just got just tripled its profits. They're in the billions of dollars and the cost to them of offsetting, quote, unquote, the Scarborough project is about 5 million with an M a year. And these guys don't even pay any of the gas tax at the moment because the gas tax is broken. And many instances, big corporations in Australia don't even pay for the gas at all. So it's kind of coins down the back of the couch for these guys. And so we've said to the government, look, if you want to support, we're going to have to deal with this question of coal and gas. And we've said we'd look at other alternatives as well. People have talked about a climate trigger, which means you can't open up a big new project in this country. And as you take into account climate impacts, the independence others have put forward a range of proposals. We said we'll look at all of those but really this question of coal and gas, we have to start dealing with it and the government has to explain to the population why it wants to keep opening coal and gas mines.29:49 It's so kind of disheartening around the world to kind of see these huge projects still kind of get up. Biden administration this week, announced the konoka Phillips will open Protect, which is, if completed will, will kind of release 263 million tonnes of carbon dioxide over the next 30 years. What is this kind of deal with these so called progressive parties trying to show how green they are, you know, try to pretend that they're there for the environment, but are trying to also affect the planet at the same time? What's going on there? Like, what? What how did this Willow Project Get up?30:25 So the corporations that are meant and their lobbyists that are meant to be regulated by this new supposin climate policy that the government's putting up, donated over $900,000 to the government in the lead up to the election. So like, there's the coal and gas industries in Australia have enormous sway, like exercised through donations, but it's also a revolving door there, right. The other resources ministers, I think, get something like going back for the last 15 years, I'd stand to be corrected on that. But something like that every resource minister there was basically goes out the door and then ends up working for a resource company or their lobbyist. And so there's a big revolving door, there's big donations that come into play. And you see that in the US, you see that here as well. But it's completely as I said before, it's completely out of step with what people want. And I think there's31:18 sort of a whack on that, Adam, Adam on that, like, you know, $900,000 It sounds like to everyday person, that's a lot of money, right? But there must be more money. Let's go ahead and be away. Like there's got to be something that is not on the books that kind of is actually persuading these folks to do this because it doesn't, it doesn't make sense, like doesn't make sense. Like the money the amount of money you see, in the registers, like on the registers are so small, like, if I remember the film, the big deal, they were talking about numbers of 30,000 40,000 50,000. Like, That's chump change, like that's a car like what else they know, there's surely there's got to be more than than what's been32:00 27 big gas corporations in one year, between them bought in $73 billion of income and paid no tax, right? This is like we but these guys have their hooks into the Labour and the liberal parties. And they have seen it in Parliament, they basically they walk around the corridors of parliament with a metaphorical big stick and say, do what we want and what we demand. Otherwise, we'll run a campaign against you and try and oust you from your seats. And the and so far governments have been cowed by that, by that kind of threat and what I think, but what people aren't tweeting, but the government and the opposition haven't tweeted yet is that actually like the people, people would respond really well to a government that stood up to these corporations. And they said, No, actually, hang on, you got to pay some tax. And maybe your business model being premised on the destruction of the planet life, as we know, is something that we need to start winding down rather than boosting. And I think there would be huge, huge popular support for taking them on but as it is, at the moment, they're the ones wandering around saying, do what we want, or we'll run a campaign against you. And part of our job is to say, Well, no, actually, you probably it's getting to a tipping point now where you're going to lose more votes and more seats, if you don't take action on the climate crisis.33:26 On the upside, if the planet does collapse, we won't have to sell Comedy Festival. That is real joy. Adam33:33 is in a dream world, obviously, like in a world that you run that people who'd like the planet to survive run, you know, the Labour Party makes the decision to not allow any more coal mines, you know, gas mines, anything like that. But in a imperfect well health, where they're in a position where they've got, you know, in the Neapolitan ice cream that you described before 30% 30% 30% They've got vanilla on one side, they've got strawberry on the other and they're the chocolate in the middle. What Lewis34:03 is trying to say what does the Veneta Adam bad look like?34:09 I guess what I mean, is like, if it comes to a point where the sticking point between, you know, them getting any progress is is this coal and gas thing that that is again, from our point of view, crazy reasonable, but for whatever reason to them isn't. What what are you going to do with that? You must I know Dan joked about the CPRS. But The Haunting of of that must be on your mind or like, obviously, I guess what I'm asking is like it's a principles versus I guess, practicality decision, potentially. Like, how are you feeling about that at the moment? Yeah, we'll34:47 come in into I know the government loves to run the line about what happened, you know, a decade and a half ago and they completely and then if they ever Last Julia Gillard out of history as if as if there was no like, they forget that immediately afterward the greens and labour work together and put in place climate laws that actually worked in this country. But like just putting that to one side like that, that actually doesn't really concern us too much, because the the 20 year olds who are marching in the street now with signs saying no new coal and gas when Primary School when all that happened, and it doesn't quite have the purchase that that the few labour hacks might think it has. And they tell themselves that story a lot, and so on. But it's not our experience is that it doesn't resonate. And people think that our position is the common sense one, but like, if you look back over what we've done, since we've been in this Parliament, there's been a number of instances like the passing of the climate or passing the Evie law were passing of the law to take on the gas corporations where it wasn't done exactly how we would have liked it. But we took the view that the climate bore there 43% weight target, right really weak Tiger it's premised on exceeding two degrees which means the end of the Great Barrier Reef for example, in destruction in the Murray Darling Basin like that's, that's their targets. But we took the view that we could determine prove the law put in place a, a floor, not a ceiling, and we passed it even though we think it should have gone much further, because in our view, it was a small step on the road to tackling the climate emergency36:25 when you say Dutton peripheral, or do you mean like writing it in very like, with long, like very verbose language like,36:33 Yeah, something like that. The the way, we're, if we can take a step on this direction, then I would, we're obviously you've seen us say, Well, look, let's do that. But what, and we'll work together with the government to do that, even though what we think you're doing is nowhere near good enough. But I guess where we draw the line, is it making the problem worse, right? And, like if what the government is putting up, actually sees the problem get worse, because it says, Open slather on new coal and gas, and actually will tick the climate box and say we've done this, even as pollution from coal and gas continues to go up, then I guess that's, that's a place where I think anyone would say, Oh, you don't vote for something that makes the problem worse.37:24 Amelia, did you want to? Yeah,37:25 I just had one question. You know, as a pleb. I think I speak for the people that far and wide. And I think, you know, for this upcoming election, there's a hot button question on the minds of many Australians. So my question is, Fuck, Marry kill house of House of Representatives Senate. Or, you know, like that hectic, Picasso styled painting of Gough Whitlam in Parliament House. You know, the one I do you know, the one Adam, do you know, the one Louis?37:59 They don't let me in to Canberra or anyone for good reason. You know what I did? Yeah.38:08 I can't go there. The language of it maybe? Which one would you bromance one? In which one would you share? What can I say? Can I say I'm feeling after the last 48 hours. I'm feeling particularly finally towards Paul Keating. Anyone come out and put succinctly into words something that that that I've been thinking for a little while about better ways to spend over $300 billion. Who comes it comes out and does that manages to get on the front page. That's, that's worth a glass or two.38:52 Yeah, we've just got a clip to promote the show, Adam. That's great. Thanks, Adam. Thank you so much for joining us on rational VR. We just got a couple of questions from the folks on Patreon Peter McNeil says, How do I google the current cash rate? How does he do that?39:04 Go to a search engine of your choice. I've been advised that I should be medium neutral from now on so.39:13 And Hayden shore wants to know, what should the defence budget be? I'll take the answers in US dollars or submarine. It should be39:21 what it what works for us not what works for the US.39:25 And Adam. I did a bit of googling to see what you're up to lately, and it looks like your super fund is a bit dirty. And we have a superfund that sponsors our show that's not have you Would you ever consider moving your Superfund to one that doesn't sponsor fossil fuels?39:40 I don't know who isn't Superfund that39:42 that sponsors your Australian ethical looks after us? Very, very good.39:46 I am actually in a I mean a fossil free Fund The Daily Telegraph chose not to mention that particular39:57 point of our super fund is that they don't condone human trash. Okay, have you checked in on yours?40:05 They tell me they don't either.40:09 Hester has a different super fund for human trafficking. Adam, Ben, thanks for joining us on irrational fear.40:17 Yeah. Thank you. Thanks for having us on.40:20 is rational.40:23 That's irrational fear. Big thanks to Louis. Adam, Ben and Amelia. Adam, do you have anything to plug?40:29 Just yet vote great and see in the upcoming election.40:33 Oh, come on. nonpartisan show. All right. Go Jack come on here willy nilly and say vote Green. No. And they40:40 go and see Mandy Nolan at the Comedy Festival as well while you're there. Yes, Mandy40:45 Nolan also performing at irrational fear. Next Sunday in Brisbane. Amelia, what would you like to plug?40:52 I am doing the Melbourne International Comedy Festival from April 10 to 22 Birds apothecary. It's on the website for you know the one the big Melbourne one. And also Sydney in May, May 17 and 19 at the Factory Theatre. All right, Louis. What41:09 would you like to break down? We've got a great show irrational fear. Brisbane World Science Festival next week. What alarm bell bottle? Correct Mark Humphries. Mandy Nolan. The exact same person that Attabad just recommended. We agree. We agree on that. And also Daniel it's yeah, of course. He'll be there. This Melbourne International Comedy Festival second of April. What a while. Yeah.41:33 Who's Who's on the show?41:37 I've got a 10 week. Just41:38 one. Just one person. One person. Great. Same race time is on the show. Yes, very good. Very good. Big thanks to rode mics Australian ethical, our sponsor, patreon supporters and Jacob roundover Tepanyaki timeline until next time, we'll see you next week.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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