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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 244 [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. Welcome. I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren. It’s good to be back. How are you, Christina? [00:00:07] Christina: [00:00:07] I’m I’m doing pretty good. Uh, it’s early for me. So I, and I just took my Dexedrine. So you’re probably gonna hear me get more awake as the show goes, but I’m fine. Uh, how are you before we, we address, uh, the fact that we haven’t talked together in a couple of weeks, how are you doing [00:00:28] Brett: [00:00:28] Well, so here’s the thing. The thing of it is I [00:00:33] Christina: [00:00:33] what was happened? Was. [00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] mm, my mother-in-law. My ex-mother-in-law used to always say the thing of it is. And it, it, it, it, it drove me nuts. It’s fine. She’s not my mother-in-law anymore. Um, anyway, uh, so I’ve got some depression going on, which is bad enough on its own. And then yesterday I gave myself food poisoning, not once, but twice and not like [00:01:00] real food poisoning. [00:01:01] Like, I’m pretty sure it was all in my head. Like, I, I ate something that tasted off. Like, it was definitely off like spoiled, but like, I don’t eat meat. Like I don’t get like food poisoning from like legit food poisoning, but it, it, it tasted off in my body revolted against it. And I started puking and then the taste was stuck in my mouth. [00:01:27] And like, every time I would taste it, I would wretched again. [00:01:32] Christina: [00:01:32] oh God. [00:01:33] Brett: [00:01:33] I thought, so it happened with an egg sandwich in the morning. [00:01:38] Christina: [00:01:38] Okay. No. Okay. You get legit food poisoning from eggs. Okay. [00:01:41] Brett: [00:01:41] right. Here’s the thing, here’s the thing, the thing of it is, is that I think, I thought it was the egg, but the egg didn’t smell off. Like when I cooked it, it, it like, everything seemed fine and I’ve never had an egg that was bad and didn’t at least look a little bit bad. [00:02:00] So, but I was like, okay, so, so the, the egg was bad and I got through it in the morning and I, uh, I had my lunch and then like, I’m seeing a nutritionist now. [00:02:11] And part of my diet is I’m actually allowed to eat like bread. So I was going to enjoy a piece of toast in the afternoon. And I got halfway through the piece of toast and realized it was what it was, where that taste was coming from. [00:02:26] Christina: [00:02:26] Oh no. So the bread was like moldy or bad or whatever. [00:02:29] Brett: [00:02:29] I guess I looked at it, it looked fine, but yeah, definitely had this rancid, weird indescribable flavor to it that it did not have, you know, two days before. [00:02:42] And, uh, and yeah, why I did it again, and that was right before we were supposed to record yesterday. And so I just, I said, we’re gonna, we’re gonna wait a day and I won’t eat any more bread and I haven’t, I have not eaten anymore bread at all. [00:03:00] [00:03:00]Christina: [00:03:00] Good. I’m glad. I, I, uh, I I’m really glad, uh, I hope you threw the bread that you pap away. [00:03:06] Brett: [00:03:06] Yeah, I [00:03:07] Christina: [00:03:07] good. [00:03:08]Brett: [00:03:08] I did. It took, it took twice. I really like bread. [00:03:13] Christina: [00:03:13] I like bread too. You can buy more bread. Uh, clearly the bread that you had though was bad. Like you can get new bread. [00:03:21] Brett: [00:03:21] Yeah. Um, so, uh, last week you, uh, you, you, you did, you did your own thing, kinda. It was an episode with two Christina’s was the way I described it to people. [00:03:34] Christina: [00:03:34] it was pretty great though. [00:03:35] Brett: [00:03:35] Yeah. You seem to have fun. I’ll be honest. I couldn’t listen to it. Like the beauty of descript is that I can just search for the word edit and anywhere that someone was like, oh, you should edit here. [00:03:48] I can just find that without having to go through like who’s fuckable and a boy band. Like I can just skip all of that. Honestly. Like I caught a little bit of it. I searched for my [00:04:00] own name, so I could hear where you bad mouth. Me. Brett’s a little bitch and all of this, [00:04:04] Christina: [00:04:04] I love this. [00:04:05] Brett: [00:04:05] Brett breads to gen X for this. [00:04:07] And I heard that and I’m like, you know, that’s true. I, I actually don’t have to, I don’t have to sit through this. I can edit this with one hand. [00:04:17] Christina: [00:04:17] I, so until you said this, I completely forgot that. Like I, I called you a little bitch and said you was using next to that. And now I’m now I’m thinking back, I’m like fair. [00:04:26]Brett: [00:04:26] Well, so, and, and, and people can chime in on this, but I, I have oral surgery and a couple of weeks, well, actually it’s next Friday. So I’ll be able to record next week, but then I will probably not be, uh, up to talking the week after. So I was going to have a, I was going to see if I actually wanted to come back again. [00:04:49] If people like overall the general response to that episode was people were thrown at first. Like when you did [00:05:00] the immediate deep dive into like nineties boy bands, people were thrown, but they came around and they enjoyed it by the end. And they really liked the dynamic between you two. So. [00:05:13]Christina: [00:05:13] Yeah, I [00:05:14] Brett: [00:05:14] feel like it’s going to replace me entirely, but I feel like it’s a nice, it’s a nice to have two Christina’s once in a while people, people can live with that, [00:05:23] Christina: [00:05:23] I think so. It’s nice palate cleanser. No, it doesn’t replace two at all. Uh, there has been talk on the Twitters. People are like, she and I should have a spinoff podcast. And, [00:05:33] Brett: [00:05:33] I could see. [00:05:34] Christina: [00:05:34] and that I actually, like, I like that idea a lot, but maybe, maybe we do like another thing together. We could see if it’s like, we test it out again and see. [00:05:43] like, if that’s gonna happen. [00:05:44] Cause I wasn’t intending to go as deep as we, when we, we had started, even before we started recording, we were kind of talking a lot and, and we just kinda went right into and I was like, oh, this is going to be totally different. But this was really fun. [00:05:57]Brett: [00:05:57] Yeah. [00:06:00] So how’s work going. [00:06:02] Christina: [00:06:02] So work is work as good. Our fiscal year just started, which, um, is, is interesting. Cause it’s like, there’s a lot of planning, a lot of other stuff that happens. So in also a lot of people are taking vacation. So it’s one of those things where like the next couple of months are, um, in some ways going to be at least for some of my, some of the stuff that I do slower. [00:06:26] And then in some things more busy, I don’t know. It, it all sort of depends. Um, but, uh, I, uh, I was part of the windows 11 launch, which was kind of cool, [00:06:34]Brett: [00:06:34] Yeah. So [00:06:36] Christina: [00:06:36] Very cool. [00:06:37] Brett: [00:06:37] yeah, I, I haven’t, I don’t follow windows much, so I haven’t dug into that, but, uh, but you seem pretty excited about that. [00:06:45] Christina: [00:06:45] I mean, look, I can say this like more candidly on this podcast, cause like less people listened to it, then not less people, but like less. [00:06:54] Brett: [00:06:54] What you mean is fewer people. I’m sorry, I [00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] You’re well, yeah. [00:07:00] Okay. Fuck off. Hey, but I was also, I was trying to be like, it was like, well, cause we have a lot of listeners, but it’s, it’s different listener base. So it’s like, I don’t know how many of my coworkers, like, listen, you know, if that makes sense, which makes it somewhat easier. Um, not that I’m saying anything that like get me in trouble or whatever. [00:07:16] I don’t think. But, um, when is 11 is, uh, like the visual overhaul is really good. Like there were some things like that. They definitely stole from macro S and they stole well how’s that? [00:07:32] Brett: [00:07:32] fair enough. [00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] Okay. [00:07:33] Well, other than good, like I was trying to like do the grammar thing since I, I got the lesson fewer wrong. Um, so that’s kind of cool. [00:07:42] There’s also some cool stuff happening on the developer side. That was the thing I was more involved with. I was involved with the developer event. Kind of getting to do a deep dive on some of the changes coming to some of the ways that you can develop for both web apps and native apps in the store and in games and shit like that. [00:07:57] So there was, there was some cool things. [00:08:00] Um, I, uh, I, I’m not, you know, somebody who usually follows windows either, but I’m pretty excited about it when it launches in the fall. So That that was cool. It was also, I’m not going to lie. Like it was cool to have a role, even though it was small as part of like a major operating system launch. [00:08:17] That was kind of cool. [00:08:17] Brett: [00:08:17] That is cool. I, uh, so it’s, it’s our we’re we’re planning for our fiscal year to over the, uh, over at the Oracle. And, uh, so I think I’ve mentioned before the Oracle is sponsoring red bull racing. [00:08:33]Christina: [00:08:33] Oh, wow. [00:08:35] Brett: [00:08:35] So part of our planning is like my, my team, the dev team is, is basically forefront on the red bull, uh, kind of partnership. [00:08:48] And we have to come up with ways that Oracle can tie into, uh, like formula one racing. And like, it’s been [00:09:00] fun. We’ve been finding like we’re doing a lot of machine learning stuff and, uh, and kind of race prediction, uh, efficiency, uh, hands-on learning labs for developers to kind of play around with F1, historical data and everything. [00:09:16] Um, but red bull wants like a year. They want like a plan for like a year what’s going to happen for the next year. How are you going to make this interesting. And that feels like a lot of pressure. All of this. [00:09:28]Christina: [00:09:28] Yeah. [00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] can do one thing at a time. Take it as it comes, come up with interesting like things in the moment, but a year plan seems like crazy. [00:09:37] Christina: [00:09:37] Yeah, that seems like a lot. Uh, they, they want, I, I think that the term is they, they want like marketing moments, movements, whatever, so that they can position their stuff. But Yeah, [00:09:48] I think the good news is, I think I’m not a hundred percent positive, but I feel like this is one of those things where you guys can like come up with like really like broad strokes. [00:09:58] And then if this stuff [00:10:00] changes, like they’re not going to know or care, like as long as it, as long as it’s still. [00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] yeah, yeah. I, yeah, it’ll be fun. They’re doing a corny video. We’re doing, uh, uh, machine learning lab. And they’re doing this like intro video about how, uh, their whole team of like, uh, efficiency, planners, and pit crew, and everything could just take the week off because the developers are going to do all the work for them. [00:10:28]Christina: [00:10:28] Oh, well, corporate humor. I, I loved the Ash. Hate it. [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] And they, uh, so I was helping my, my co-writer Aaron get a packaged together because we’re going to start doing some videos like YouTube, uh, just dev REL stuff. And, uh, and so I helped her put together like a video package proposal to get some hardware for her. And I figured she would be the on-camera personality and I would [00:11:00] handle editing. [00:11:01] But then my manager said, oh, no, it would be better to have two on-camera personalities. And you guys could like take turns and do some back and forth then. And so now I’m getting a whole slew of a camera and lighting and green screens and everything. Um, I’m a little bit like I’m not shy. Uh, I, I, uh, I do get self-conscious, um, but like I speak it like Mac world and max doc and. [00:11:32]I, I do [00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] You’re on a podcast right now. [00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] well, yeah, talking like I have a face for radio. That’s not a problem. I don’t get self-conscious about like my voice or anything. Um, I do, I hate my teeth. Like I hate seeing my teeth and oral. Surgery’s not going to help that. Um, well, because it’s all the back teeth, but anyway, uh, it’s going to be interesting. [00:11:57] I can do it. I I’m, I’m fine with [00:12:00] it. I just, uh, I don’t know. I prefer to be the behind the scenes, the voice in the background. [00:12:08] Christina: [00:12:08] What, Um, what camera are they going to get you? [00:12:10] Brett: [00:12:10] Um, I picked out, uh, Panasonic something seven. Uh, I went through a bunch of reviews and that was the one that, uh, for, uh, for a reefer model was kind of within budget and highly rated for video. [00:12:28] Christina: [00:12:28] Nice. Yeah, I think I know what model you’re talking about or like, yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s like a or [00:12:33] Brett: [00:12:33] Yeah, I wanted to say G seven, but then I felt like that was a pop song, like a G seven. [00:12:39]Christina: [00:12:39] Uh, I not sure. I don’t know about that, but I, uh, uh, yeah, so, so there’s that. And then are you going to get a, um, yeah, that’s a, that’s a pretty good, um, camera, um, uh, for, for, from what I remember, cause when I had to go through and buy a bunch of video stuff last year, when the pandemic hit, I wound up getting a Sony, a [00:13:00] 6,400. [00:13:00] Um, but uh, I’d looked at the, the Panasonic. I looked at some other things I wound up going with the Sony, but that was probably, it was probably overkill. Um, [00:13:11] Brett: [00:13:11] How much is that on? Cause I haven’t, I haven’t made the purchase yet. I just got approved for my aunt’s about the same price, really. Um, I just got approved for my corporate Amex card, [00:13:23] Christina: [00:13:23] nice. [00:13:24] Brett: [00:13:24] but I won’t have that for another three weeks. So I still have time to. [00:13:27]Christina: [00:13:27] I don’t know what it would be like on refurb. I think it was, I think it’s like a thousand dollars MSRP, which is overkill for, for unlimited 900 Yeah. So, [00:13:37] Brett: [00:13:37] or, or what kind of lens did you get with it? [00:13:40] Christina: [00:13:40] oh, I just have like the Stocklands [00:13:42] Brett: [00:13:42] well, it’s 900 for the camera only with a 50 millimeter lens. Then it’s 1200. That’s that’s good. That gets more up there. [00:13:51] Christina: [00:13:51] yeah. So [00:13:51] the one that I’ve got is I’m looking at what BNH has. I have the 16 to 50 millimeter lens and it’s like a thousand dollars from BNH. So [00:14:00] that was about what I spent, I got from BNH and then, um, and that was honestly, I knew that was overkill when I bought it. Um, I think though, but it was hard, there was a weird thing where it was hard to get cameras at the time. [00:14:11] I don’t even know if, and I’m not sure if the G seven was out yet. It might’ve been, but it was one of those things where, you know, I, I just, I was like going to get like, uh, like, like I was looking at like some 10 80 P cameras, which would have been fine cause I don’t broadcast in 4k, but then I was like, well, maybe I want 4k. [00:14:27] I don’t know. Um, and then there were some like other models and then one of my colleagues ended up getting it and I was like, fuck it. I’ll just, I’ll just get this one. Um, and then I use the cam link, uh, as, as my interface, which is great. [00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] we’re getting that. [00:14:42] Christina: [00:14:42] If you can’t get the cabling for some reason, the HD 60, um, uh, S is, uh, Like, uh, they’re streaming, um, dongle, um, the, the, the plus version, the 60 S plus, which is only sold at best buy will also [00:15:00] work as a can, like it has the same hardware, so it’ll, it’ll have the same thing. [00:15:04] So for some reason you can’t get a cabling 4k, it’s like $50 more, but you can get the, the 60 S plus, um, from Logato and it as that. And I know this because I was able to get a cam link, but I first got the 60 S plus and then was able to score a cam like another way. So this is why I know these things. So, [00:15:23] Brett: [00:15:23] Yeah. I had fun talking with Ashley about video equipment. That was last time she was on systematic. That was a major focus of the show. [00:15:31] Christina: [00:15:31] Yeah. I was going to say she would know even more than like I would in that, in that case, but yeah, but, uh, [00:15:37] Brett: [00:15:37] I couldn’t afford the light. She recommended those were, there were like a hundred dollars per light and then like a thousand dollars for the set. [00:15:46] Christina: [00:15:46] Yeah. no, I think you can get like a key light or, um, like, uh, even like a ring light or something. We’ll be, we’ll be good. [00:15:52] Brett: [00:15:52] W we ordered, we, our, our package includes two led panel lights and a ring light, which I think will be perfectly [00:16:00] sufficient for what we’re going to do. [00:16:01] Christina: [00:16:01] 100%, 100%. So, um, let’s talk about Brett’s mental health. You talked about it a little bit, but you said you’ve been depressed. What’s been going on [00:16:11] Brett: [00:16:11] No I’m doing that. Uh, I don’t know, have the manic episodes for, for a while now. And I just get a, I just get a week or so of being low energy. I’m not, it’s not depression. Like the world sucks. I don’t want to be here kind of depression. It’s just like, I just don’t feel like doing anything and I’m low energy and it’s really difficult for me to pay attention to stuff. [00:16:42] And it’ll last, I don’t know, three to five days, and then I’ll be fine again and rocking at life. But at the moment, a little bit, uh, we’ll call it under the emotional weather. [00:16:57]Christina: [00:16:57] I’m very sorry to hear that. And I [00:17:00] hope that it, it, um, fades quickly. [00:17:02] Brett: [00:17:02] Hey, thanks. Yeah, it’ll be fine. It’s going to be fine. [00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] It’s going fine. [00:17:07] Brett: [00:17:07] Um, yeah, so my parents made the front page of the local newspaper [00:17:13] Christina: [00:17:13] Nice. In a good way or bad [00:17:15] Brett: [00:17:15] well, it depends on how you look at it. Um, they’re, they’re part of this Bible translation program [00:17:23] Christina: [00:17:23] Okay. [00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] where they’re, they’re translating the Bible and I don’t know which version they’re working from, but into this language called sun. [00:17:35] And I can’t remember what it stands for, but it’s for blind and deaf [00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] Oh, okay. [00:17:41] Brett: [00:17:41] And so I guess if you’re like a Christian and you think that your interpretation of the Bible should be translated for, you know, uh, a population who. Would benefit from it in some way then I guess [00:18:00] what they’re doing is good. [00:18:01] But for me personally, like I don’t like their interpretation of the Bible to begin with. And I feel like they take a lot of liberties with understanding the actual intent of 2000 year old text. And I don’t love the idea of them, uh, being in charge of someone else’s understanding and interpretation of said text. [00:18:29] So it’s a weird spot for me, cause my mom’s like super proud of it. Like it’s been, uh, her, her kind of like focus for over a year now. And so I have to just kind of keep my mouth shut about it. [00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] Yeah. Yeah. [00:18:45] I think so. I think that, I think that makes sense to think that, um, yeah, I’m looking this up now. This is like the symbolic universal notation, a new way to reach the deaf and blind. Yeah. so it’s, um, like I, I hear what you’re saying and I [00:19:00] totally really respect the whole, like, you don’t agree with their interpretation and don’t necessarily want them in charge of that stuff. [00:19:08] I think that’s really fair, but I also think. Ideally, you know, this isn’t the only translator that will be available of something like this, for people who are, who are both deaf, deaf, and blind. Um, I, and I’m not sure if this specific language is like specific from like this Christian point of view or if it’s something else. I don’t think that it is, um, uh, oh, no, actually it seems like it is [00:19:34] Brett: [00:19:34] it very much is. And, and because it’s such a limited set of characters, like they, it’s very broad strokes like [00:19:44] Christina: [00:19:44] right. Okay. I’m, I’m looking at this now. Yeah. I’m reading about this now. So it’s, it’s, it’s symbolic universal notation, and it’s a program that. [00:19:50] brings a scripture to the illiterate deaf, as well as the deaf blind using a symbolic system of writing the literate, deaf who are not educated in sign language, as well as the deaf blind can read [00:20:00] God’s word for themselves. I mean, okay. [00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] do they need it? Is the question. [00:20:06] Christina: [00:20:06] I don’t know. I think. I’m in a weird position here. And the one hand, like I actually am very much in favor of translating works of, of all religions into things that, that the blind and the deaf whatever can, can consume. Um, maybe not this approach per se. Uh, like I would prefer it to be like from, in, in a format that is not tied to a particular ideology, right. [00:20:30] Like, you know, like, but like I’m very much in favor of, uh, braille Bibles or, or, or Kranz or, or, um, you know, uh, Torres or whatever. Like I think that that’s really important to be able to translate and have available famous texts, whatever we may think of them, uh, for, for people who consume things differently. I, actually think that’s really important. Uh, I don’t personally love that maybe this is coming at it from this specific place, [00:21:00] but I also want to acknowledge. This is a nice thing, and it’s a good thing that they’re doing. And, and that, you know, like, I don’t know, I, I don’t feel like the world is worse off because there’s more education out there. [00:21:15] Even if it’s not education that like we agree with. [00:21:19] Brett: [00:21:19] find fundamentalist education, very traumatic for people. And I just, I think like I’m fine with literary works and, and education, but, uh, [00:21:32] Christina: [00:21:32] Oh yes. As you can. I guess education is the wrong word. I guess. I’m not, I hear you on that traumatic thing. I guess. I don’t, I don’t feel like the world is worse off. If there are more books [00:21:44] Brett: [00:21:44] Right? No, and I CA I can agree with that there. Yeah. [00:21:48] Christina: [00:21:48] it’s I, I get it. [00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] If we were talking about, if we’re talking about a braille translation of something like a king James version that could be viewed as historical literature, [00:22:00] I would have a slightly different feelings about it. Then translating like one person’s distilling of the NIV into what like 52 symbols to represent like all of the ideas and it, it, it gets ugly. [00:22:17] We don’t have to keep talking about this. It was, [00:22:20] Christina: [00:22:20] no, I, you just kind of brought it up and I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to go on a tangent on it, but yeah, I, I, [00:22:24] Brett: [00:22:24] I totally brought it up. [00:22:25] Christina: [00:22:25] know, but, uh, but, but I, but I totally like, I understand like your hesitancy there. I mean, like on the one, but I mean, I, the only thing I’ll say is like, that sounds like a lot of work, so I’m sure they’re very proud of what they’ve been doing, even if it’s not something that like you are. [00:22:40] I agree with [00:22:42] Brett: [00:22:42] Yes, and I will be nice about it. I will smile and nod. Uh, my mom even asked me for help one week to see if her translation of very innocuous verse was like legit. And [00:23:00] I was just like, yeah, no, it seems like you captured the idea of this. Uh, just, I don’t remember what it was. It was like something from numbers or Deuteronomy or some inconsequential book anyway. [00:23:15] Uh, [00:23:16] Christina: [00:23:16] the, the last thing I’m going to ask, and then I swear we can move on, but because this is going to kill me, if I don’t otherwise, do they at least work with experts in language? Like for people who work with, with, so they don’t like work with people who work with the deaf blind or, or with, or with the [00:23:35]Brett: [00:23:35] no. [00:23:37] No, Nor nor with people who actually understand Bible translation in general, it’s very much, here’s some words make them make sense using these characters. [00:23:48]Christina: [00:23:48] Okay. All right. [00:23:50] Brett: [00:23:50] Um, we should, uh, we should, we should talk about this week sponsor, [00:23:54] Christina: [00:23:54] We should, [00:23:55] Brett: [00:23:55] which I, there is no segue here. Like [00:23:58] Christina: [00:23:58] there is no segway here, [00:23:59] Brett: [00:23:59] not be done. 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[00:27:39]Christina: [00:27:39] Thank you very much. [00:27:41] Brett: [00:27:41] So I, uh, I, I told you at the beginning of this episode that I didn’t have anything to talk about and you’re going to have to drive the conversation, but I keep, I keep wanting to talk about stupid stuff. [00:27:52] Um, [00:27:53] Christina: [00:27:53] I have. I have you go first because I, but I do have a stupid thing I, [00:27:57] want to talk about, but I want to hear you first. [00:27:58] Brett: [00:27:58] so I, my, [00:28:00] my, my, uh, Synology died, but had that happened last time we talked. [00:28:05] Christina: [00:28:05] It had not, it had not, [00:28:07] Brett: [00:28:07] Um, so I have like 12 terabytes of storage on a Synology and it started resetting. Apparently this is a thing that happens where the reset switch goes faulty. So like every day I would, I would log into it and the web interface would tell me that I had reset it. [00:28:28] And I had to re-install all of my packages. And fortunately, like, my data was always there, but like my, my get server, my Plex server, all of that just kept disappearing. [00:28:39] Christina: [00:28:39] Right. [00:28:40] Brett: [00:28:40] And, uh, so I went to, I went through their support and I was two months out of warranty, but they were like, don’t worry about it. I got approval. [00:28:51] Here’s an RMA send. I got my new unit, uh, two days ago and everything is back up and running [00:29:00] and I didn’t lose any data. And I’ve heard from one other person that they had a rough time with Synology support and being just like 90 days out of warranty. But I had a great experience. I’m very happy with Synology right now. [00:29:16] Christina: [00:29:16] Yeah. [00:29:17] I’m actually really happy to hear that. So I haven’t had that issue. Um, although I have dealt with them for the support in the past, and I’ve had really good experience and we’ve got, we have a couple of units and one of ours is a few years old, but one of them is like, at this point it’s like eight or nine years old. [00:29:31] I think it’s like a 20 it’s like, it’s like the 18, 13 plus or something. And so it’s, it’s old and, and we definitely need to replace it, but it’s still chugging along, like it’s far out of warranty. Um, but it’s, it’s been great. I mean, but, um, it’s interesting. You bring this up because people at Western design. [00:29:49] Brett: [00:29:49] Yeah. [00:29:49] Christina: [00:29:49] Has had all the tax and, and people have been like asking, like, what are things I should use? And, and I had said, Q nap, you know, might be an option for some people. Um, I, I’ve used their [00:30:00] some before. I’ve never owned it, but I have used their stuff before, but I’ve, I’ve owned Synology stuff, uh, since like 2012. [00:30:06] And so, um, I, uh, I can give them like a a personal, good recommendation, but I really like hearing that you’re two months out of warranty and they still set you up. Like, that’s really great. Cause I don’t even know if they’re still in business, but you remember Drobo. [00:30:23] Brett: [00:30:23] I, I have a Drobo here. If anyone wants, uh, uh, UN uh, NAS, that will almost definitely fail on you. [00:30:30] Christina: [00:30:30] Yeah. I was going to say mine failed on me. I was out of warranty and I think their warranty was fairly limited and, and they were like shitty about It and they were, and not to be whatever. But, and I, I tried to never pull this. I really do my best to never pull like the, do you know who I am card, but, but, but at the same time, like, and you’re in a similar situation because you have a lot of followers and people who buy these things, follow [00:31:00] you, that if you are a company that knows anything, like at the very least, like you should, you know, I don’t know, look into who your customer is before. [00:31:10] You’re just like completely unhelpful. And I didn’t drag them online. I didn’t do that. Um, I could have, but I didn’t, you know, I just didn’t want to kind of go in that way. And I lost data, uh, that was, [00:31:21] Brett: [00:31:21] five terabytes, including a couple years’ worth of like photos that are just now completely missing from my, my life. This is before like everything was on iCloud [00:31:32] Christina: [00:31:32] Yeah, right? No. yeah. [00:31:34] My mine, mine was years and years ago and I didn’t lose that much stuff, but it broken it in was like their support was terrible. And I was just like, fuck this. But, um, the fact that mine, like the software still works. It’s good, but I’m, I’m actually really like, uh, in begin to use a Simpson’s fake word to hear that they are, uh, they took care of you. [00:31:55] Like that’s actually really great. [00:31:57] Brett: [00:31:57] Yeah. Yeah. Like a [00:32:00] significant amount of data. And if anyone wants my recommendation Synology plus Seagate drives are going to it. You’ll do fine. Like, I feel very secure with that. I wish it were more affordable for me to have an offsite backup of 12 terabytes of data. [00:32:16] Christina: [00:32:16] too, me too. But unfortunately the data hoarder people and people like, us have ruined that for them consumer backup services or whatever. [00:32:24] Brett: [00:32:24] like, so Backblaze does this thing where they’ll send you, uh, uh, uh, like I think they actually send out Synology units. I’m not sure, but basically you pay $3,000 as a deposit. And then for like $500 a month, you rent this large hard drive with as much storage as you need. You put all of your data on it and you mail it back to them, which at which point you get your three grand back, but you still pay the, the monthly rent on it. [00:32:56] Christina: [00:32:56] The $500 a month on [00:32:58] Brett: [00:32:58] They put it into [00:33:00] your Backblaze backup account, and then you have access to the data at the time you backed it up. But, uh, from that point on, you need to be able to continuously back up with back ways to keep it up to date. But if you do have 12 terabytes of retroactive data, you want to backup with like, Backblaze, they do offer, uh, an option. [00:33:25] I won’t call it affordable because you could buy a bunch of new hard drives for them amount of [00:33:31] Christina: [00:33:31] Yes. They also, they also let you, if you want to, you can use, like, I think it’s like their, their B2 system, um, where you can back up to that. And, and then, yeah. [00:33:39] like you said, if you need to get that much data, it, I didn’t know that they had like the deposit thing, but it would make sense that they would like just have you mail it out rather than upload it. [00:33:48] That makes complete sense. Um, and they’ve been doing that for awhile where I remember even years ago, like when they first started, they would like mail you out a drive that they needed to get you Len this is when we were talking to like, Good bites. [00:34:00] Right. [00:34:00] Brett: [00:34:00] When that was a big [00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] a drive, right? No, with that many terabytes. Yeah. [00:34:04] I can see that if you needed an off-site storage thing, I’m going to be honest. I feel like if you have, if it’s like Data that you absolutely need. Cause I think for most of us, a lot of the stuff that we have, like it’s media it’s stuff that is not necessarily right. It’s so, you know, it’s like your photos and whatnot. [00:34:20] Like, I can’t think of much stuff I have. It’s going to be past like the, the one terabyte space or the two terabytes that like you get with, you know, like with, with, um, with iCloud or with, with, uh, uh, one driver or Dropbox or whatever, where you would need to be paying ongoing costs. I feel like if you’re past that point, you’re probably somebody who should be a, that price is not going to be like. [00:34:45]Turning you off [00:34:47] Brett: [00:34:47] Yeah. [00:34:47] Christina: [00:34:47] B exactly. It’s not gonna be prohibited, but B it might be one of those things where you’re like, okay, maybe I need to look at a different sort of storage thing. Like maybe I need to look at a different sort of off-site storage thing, you know, [00:35:00] more of an SMB type of thing, uh, for, for offsite backups, right? [00:35:03] Like, like I could still have a Synology or, or whatever else in home, but maybe I’m looking at like a different, like offsite stuff, if that’s that crucial to you. [00:35:12] Brett: [00:35:12] yeah, or maybe you have like two Synology. So you have redundant backup between between a couple. [00:35:20] Christina: [00:35:20] the one experience we had is that several of our drives failed at once. And we were worried about being able to kind of rebuild the array when we were able to, we had to buy another unit. That’s how we got our second unit to kind of like. Get things back up and running the way that we could. [00:35:37] And then we had to like replace all the drives. We were able to bring the array back and, and kind of save it. And it, it took a while, but we were able to do that. Um, and, uh, so that that’s been my experience, but I’m really glad to hear that they took care of you, especially since you were just so briefly out of warranty. [00:35:54] Cause it sucks when it’s like that new and, and it happens, you know, [00:36:00] because, cause they’re, they’re not, they’re not cheap. Um, they’re really nice devices, but they’re not, they’re not inexpensive. So [00:36:06] Brett: [00:36:06] Although the major costs of any NATS is the drives. And especially if you want to go like with a bunch of like 10 terabyte drives, you’re going to, you’re going to be paying thousands. [00:36:20] Christina: [00:36:20] Yeah. [00:36:20] Yeah, [00:36:21] We found a deal. I don’t remember what size the drivers were. They might’ve been eight. They might’ve been six terabytes. I don’t know. We found a deal where there were certain Western digital. We just shuck them. But there were certain like, uh, the, their external drives, not the ones that are connected to the internet that were cheap, that were, that were cheap. [00:36:41] And that like, it was on data hoarders. And like, we bought a bunch of them from best buy and then like shuck them because the drives inside were not terrible. Like, they weren’t the best, but they weren’t terrible. They were fine for our purposes, but we got a bunch of six terabyte drives. [00:36:53] Brett: [00:36:53] man, that my book thing, I mean, [00:36:55] Christina: [00:36:55] Oh my [00:36:56] Brett: [00:36:56] be relying on a, my book at this point in history, but [00:37:00] [00:36:59] Christina: [00:36:59] No, but that’s an appliance that is literally designed it like moms and dads, like the tech illiterate, like [00:37:07] Brett: [00:37:07] anyone who missed this news story, people woke up one morning and their multi-terabyte, my book drives from its Western digital. Right. Uh, they were just, uh, just erasing themselves, which I believe turned out to be a zero day hack on old firmware. But, uh, [00:37:25] Christina: [00:37:25] I get that, that for that one, I think it was. And then there was another one where I think they found out that the code was commented out, um, which would have allowed, um, them to require authentication, to log in, to access someone’s account. And it had been commented out like the logins have been commented out. [00:37:48] So, I mean, the whole thing was just really [00:37:50] Brett: [00:37:50] I would hate to work at Western digital on a morning like that. [00:37:54] Christina: [00:37:54] I would too, but their response was up was, was kind of shitty. Cause they were kinda like, well, it hasn’t been supportive for six years, [00:38:00] which Okay. [00:38:00] On the one hand fair on the other hand, if you know that that’s the case, like in my opinion, you should be pushing out something like the final thing you do when you push out a software update to that thing, which you can push out over the internet clearly because people were able to wipe stuff remotely should be a pop-up every single time somebody starts their computer. [00:38:22] And it has, you know, that utility that’s running in the background that tells you this is out of support. This is no longer supported and you should not have this connected. Like, to me, that is kind of crappy because you’re literally selling this. You were selling this As a, as a solution for people to be able to plug it in and forget it. [00:38:41] And so people are, aren’t thinking, well, I bought this six, seven years ago. Why do I, you know, need to like, who cares if it’s being supported or not? W, you know, a lot of people look at tech as um, you know, the same way that you would think about, and this is becoming less true, unfortunately, but like the way that we think about a fridge [00:39:00] or, um, you know, a pre completely online TV or, you know, like an audio [00:39:07] Brett: [00:39:07] long as it’s working. [00:39:09] Christina: [00:39:09] right. [00:39:09] Cause it was working who cares if it’s being supported or not, you know, you’re not thinking about the fact, oh, this is connected to the internet and the security on this is so piss poor that we haven’t done anything to prevent people from accessing these things without a login. Which what the fuck, like I just, I don’t know. [00:39:28] I was, I was, I was really, uh, sad reading about that for people. And then because there were like multiple ones that happen for multiple different devices. And I was just like, you know, um, the, it, it’s easy in a lot of cases to blame the user. And in this case, I’m just like, I I’m not, I’m not sure if I can agree with this because, um, it’s just like you sold something that was an appliance that you designed for people to be able to plug in. [00:39:59] And then [00:40:00] you, you sold as a feature. You can remotely access this from anywhere like that was the whole point was that it was connected to the internet and you could log into this website and you could access your data. If you’re going to do that. And then you’re going to drop support are not updated anymore. [00:40:13] Like, I feel like you need to make that abundantly clear every time you log in, every time you go to that website, every time did this is out of support. Like, I feel like that’s, you know, like I’m not, I’m not usually in favor of shutting down access. Like it could kind of go two ways. Like part of me wonders, part of me thinks in a case like this, that if you’re really going to not support it anymore, including security, like zero days and stuff like this, when it’s people’s data, pardon me, feels like, okay, well then you should have shut off. [00:40:39]Thing, right. You should have bricked it. Um, but I can also, I I’ve been pissed in the past when companies have done that. So like, I’m, I can argue both sides of that, but what I think the right solution would be, would be to, okay, well, you need to have a banner on the client or the website or wherever it is. [00:40:56] Like you need to have a banner that is very clearly saying, this is not a support. And [00:41:00] you were using this at your own risk, because if you don’t do that, then people who got this thing in the dissat and forgot it. And it’s been back in a baby photos and all kinds of other stuff. And hasn’t been attached to a cloud service in most cases because people haven’t thought they’ve needed to, and then they wake up one day and it’s gone. [00:41:15] Like [00:41:17] Brett: [00:41:17] Yeah, those, some of those stories from, like you said, from moms and dads and, uh, some of those, it was almost tragic. Like the stuff that they had, they had entrusted to that storage solution and never thought twice. I mean like you and I we’ve lost enough data in our [00:41:36] Christina: [00:41:36] we have the, [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] we would never, we’ve never trust something like that. [00:41:41] Christina: [00:41:41] No, but that’s because we we’ve been through it and we’re nerds and we’ve done this. Um, and you and I, God, going back to early episodes of over tired, like we’ve talked so many times about the importance of having redundant backups and backups for backups and whatnot. [00:41:55] And cause we’ve, we’ve been, we’ve been screwed. Like we just stopped with the Drobo thing, but this just [00:42:00] still, it feels like, and I could understand if the drive itself died, like, okay, that shit happens. You didn’t back up, but it just felt like the stuff that happened here was. Really really bad. Um, and then there was, so it, you know, I, I, I, I don’t want to rant on that anymore, but that really, really upset me also in one case, I think in the second thing, someone found a flaw and address like their version of like one of their, their, my cloud OS like version three, which they no longer support, but this is the one that goes for their, their NAS devices. [00:42:36] That was the, where they had like the, the authentication, um, bugs. So this was different than the, than the zero day. Um, but, um, this was a different zero day, I guess. And so these were their NAS devices and, and it was running an older version of their operating system that they only recently stopped supporting. [00:42:55] Like they only stopped supporting it, I think in March. [00:43:00] And, um, Somebody like released a thing to them that basically said, Hey, there’s a security flaw. And rather than patching it for version three, they just introduced a new version and didn’t go back in and backfired it. So, but like security researchers like reached out to them and like, Hey, we found this thing. [00:43:19] And they just totally were like, okay, well we’ll just fix it in our next version, which completely negates the fact that not all devices could run the latest version. Right. Which is shitty. And, and, um, and NAZA’s especially like I just mentioned, like the one I use is nine years old and it still runs the latest Synology software, which still gets security, updates and stuff. [00:43:37] And Synology does a good job. Even, even backboarding security things to older versions of their DSM stuff, which is the way you need to do it. And because it NAS even more than like a personal hard drive or whatever is not something that you replace every few years, it is something that you typically have. [00:43:55] And then you’re. You know, like gonna use it until it either was too slow [00:44:00] or it dies. Cause it’s a little more than like a LAN and an a drive interface. Like that’s all it is. There’s nothing that complex with it. Uh, the reason that like, I want to get a new one is because I want to do more server stuff at home lab stuff with it. [00:44:14] But for all intents and purposes, you don’t need to do a Plex or Docker or apps or whatever. Like it’s literally Just like, like what our drill bows were, which were not even true. NAZA’s, you know, it’s just like, [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] read one drive. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] it just weighed around one drives on like a, uh, an interface in like an ethernet Jack. Right. [00:44:33] Brett: [00:44:33] Actually mine, mine wasn’t even network connected. I had to ha ha I had it running connected to an always on 2012 mini. [00:44:41] Christina: [00:44:41] yeah, I did too. I think mine was like a 2009 mini. [00:44:45] uh, so it was a similar, it was a similar thing. Yeah, your right mind wasn’t even never connected. Um, but the fact that somebody releases. Like less than know about it. They don’t bother to update it. And then the researchers, this is the most amazing [00:45:00] thing the researchers developed and release their own patch for that version of the software. [00:45:04] And like they offered it to, after the fact they’ve offered to the Western digital, Hey, you can use this so that you could at least have a final kind of like, like patch or whatever for this version three to patch the security flaw. No, they don’t care. [00:45:16] Brett: [00:45:16] Nah. So what stupid thing did you want to talk about? [00:45:20] Christina: [00:45:20] Okay. So, uh, so this happened like Right. after we recorded the last time you and I recorded. So before Ashley and I recorded and before we took our week off, I, um, I went, so I went semi viral on Twitter. Uh I’ll I’ll share in, uh, the, um, the chat in, in our equip document rather than the tweet. So you can see it. [00:45:41] But, um, I used to work with a guy named, uh, Felix salmon and all I can really say about him is that. he sucks. Uh, He wrote, he works at Axios where he’s paid. I don’t even want to know more than you and I probably more than you and I put together. I [00:46:00] know that for a fact, because of what he made at fusion, um, uh, slash Gizmodo media group, but he did this really terrible report on activities that are like their chief financial correspondent. [00:46:10] And he was like my deep dive into unemployment fraud, quite possibly the largest theft of all time. Um, first of all, uh, I think that calling unemployment fraud, theft. Bit much, um, it, because like it says nothing of wage theft and all the other things that employers do, you know, against employees. Second of all, all the data in this quote, unquote deep dive, um, came from one company who reported a figure that had not been analyzed by anyone except for this company. [00:46:41] Um, they, they claimed that the amount of, of, uh, unemployment, um, like fake unemployment claims that happened during, during because of COVID w totaled $400 billion. And The um, there, there have been some discrepancies in, um, I think unemployment results, but there’s [00:47:00] also been discrepancies in what companies, like what states have paid out. [00:47:02] Like, there’ve been a lot of discrepancies. In some cases, people call something fraud when it’s not fraud. Like there was a case I think in Michigan where two box core was getting, um, unemployment stuff and it turned out it was a real guy named like the, the, the Republican politicians, the pro Republican politicians, you know, did this or whatnot. [00:47:20] So. [00:47:20] Brett: [00:47:20] governor had to come back and apologize. Turns out. [00:47:24] Christina: [00:47:24] Turns out. [00:47:25] actually there is a real, there is a different Tupac Shakur, like [00:47:28] Brett: [00:47:28] Hm. [00:47:29] Christina: [00:47:29] of course assholes. So his whole source on this was like, just this, this one company that is designed to basically be an auditor for, um, people who like for, for states that to claiming like, Hey, we’re going to audit and make sure that you’re not getting defrauded from unemployment. [00:47:46] Um, if people finally found employment, this company by itself, people have actually had problems with id.me was the company. And so this whole thing came from this anti-fraud software provider. This is the only source of his data. And his deep dive [00:48:00] was literally, um, like a slideshow, like, so I know that Axios is all about kind of getting to like the heart of what you want to do, but it was a fucking show anyway. [00:48:12] So it was a pretty egregious tweet that already, when I saw it. Was ratioed in ratio means that you have more replies or quote tweets than you have likes or like natural retweets. So more people are replying to you or quote tweeting you in a negative way than are replying to you. [00:48:28] Brett: [00:48:28] Yeah. [00:48:28] Christina: [00:48:28] Um, I responded because I used to work with this guy and he’s a, this is what I tweeted because I actually, before I tweeted this, I asked the group chat of people I used to work with and I said, should I tweet this? [00:48:42] And they said, yes. And then I reworked it a little bit, but I made sure to take my personal feelings about him and like any, like, I was completely objective. Let me just put it that way. Like nothing I said was untrue and, and I didn’t like take any low blows. So what I replied [00:49:00] was amazing reporting from a person who got paid $400,000 a year. [00:49:04] And in the year we worked together produced almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractor. [00:49:12]Brett: [00:49:12] Perfect. [00:49:14] Christina: [00:49:14] Yeah, So he, we found out because the union accidentally leaked pay data, that was, um, like that had people’s actual names on it. Uh, we found out that he was paid $400,000 a year. [00:49:28] Actually it was 412,000 because the union mandated 3% annual increase. But we found out after, um, the fusion media group merged with the Gizmodo media group, which was previously Gawker media and it’s whole thing. And they, they shut down and laid off. I don’t know, like 60, 70% of fusion and moved to the remaining people into our office. [00:49:51] Um, we found out how much he was making and everybody was kind of gobsmacked because the rumors had been, he was well paid and like, they paid a lot of the, [00:50:00] uh, fusion people, especially at the high, like the, the big names. They, a lot of them, when they joined the company, got paid a lot of money. Fine. Um, but he was still union eligible because he. [00:50:10] Like managing employees or anything. So he was in our union and, um, we were all kind of gobsmacked because a, as I said, he literally almost never filed stories. And when he did file stories, maybe 500 people would view them. It was one of those kind of laughable things. But everybody, like the joke was kind of like, what does Felix do all day? [00:50:29] Well, what Felix did all days, he would very loudly in our open workspace and our open office yell on the phone with his kitchen contractors about like the tile and other stuff that was that wasn’t coming in while also on slack, telling people who made $60,000 a year, that they really should think about investing in, um, redoing their rentals. [00:50:51] Because if you’re in a permanent rental, it’s worth six months salary, uh, more ties to redo your kitchen because that’s going to serve you for a really long [00:51:00] time. And, and, and it’s actually cheaper that way than, than owning or some shit, the people who are like, I have a whole. In my kitchen for people. [00:51:08] Like I have lots of holes. People are like, my landlord was on, you know, like picks Eleven’s, um, like, uh, like landlord watch thing. You know, people are like, I had to steal bread from the office to eat like real talk. And then you have this guy who we all know how much he’s making. Cause it, it got out, who’s doing nothing. [00:51:27] And then his loudly yelling at contractors on the phone, he also did like a really bad video about anal sex. Um, again, I didn’t like do the low blow shit. I just was like amazing reporting from a person who got paid 400,000 a year. And in the year we worked together produce almost nothing, but who did spend his days yelling loudly on the phone with his kitchen contractors that sweet. [00:51:48] I expected maybe 50 people to like it, like, cause I replied, I didn’t quote, tweet him. I didn’t like do whatever I, it was a reply. It did, it had 511 retweets, 144 [00:52:00] quote tweets, 7,286 likes. And um, Uh, hundreds of replies. So, um, like 175 replies. So it got 525,000 impressions, 80,925 total engagements. Like I it’s, it’s probably been seen more than almost any tweet I’ve ever sent, which is ridiculous. [00:52:30] And then the number of people who deemed me and texted me to like, thank me for like, writing that. [00:52:35] people who buy their, used to work with him or know him or other stuff off the charts. So, uh, also the replies were all very good. It was mostly just people responding with like, Jeff’s, uh, you know, like yeah, it, which are very good. [00:52:50] Um, and, and most of the quote tweets are things like, hello. I’d like to report a murder and whatnot. And, uh, anyway, so, um, [00:52:59] Brett: [00:52:59] You’re doing [00:53:00] the Lord’s work. [00:53:01] Christina: [00:53:01] I, I, yeah, honestly, Almost never weigh in on this stuff. I almost never do like in this way, but it just, I couldn’t, I couldn’t win this guy is talking about the, the largest theft of all time. [00:53:13] And I’m like, you fucking asshole, you fucking asshole of all people. Um, [00:53:19] Brett: [00:53:19] Calacanis with, uh, with the Simpsons Jew [00:53:22]Christina: [00:53:22] yeah, no, I [00:53:24] Brett: [00:53:24] He’s already dead [00:53:26] Christina: [00:53:26] yeah. I mean, it was just, yeah, so, so that’s my stupid internet thing. That’s happened several weeks ago, but I was pretty proud of it, but I was also a little bit like intimidated by it. I was like, oh shit. Like I didn’t, I didn’t mean for like, [00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] There are way worse things to go viral for. At least you felt good about yours. [00:53:42] Christina: [00:53:42] 100%. And it was also one of those things where I was trying to think of my mind. [00:53:45] I was like, okay. You know, because I was trying to think, I was like, can, is there, is there any way that anybody can, you know, A he, you know, again, he makes more money than me and that’s fine. Um, uh, he doesn’t work that hard, which, [00:54:00] you know, it is also fine. What’s not fine. Is when you have those two things, then you’re talking about the greatest gift of all time when you’re writing a press release for some company that has a vested interest in stuff like, fuck you. [00:54:10] Uh, also when I, I know for a fact like, like I could have shared other things, like I made a point to try to be like, as just factual as possible. Like, I didn’t want it to be, cause my, my sister, I was explaining this to her and she, he didn’t quite agree, but when I kind of explained it to her, I was like, look, I didn’t actually punch down, even though it would kind of, it would be impossible for me to, like, I didn’t bring anything in about his anal sex video. [00:54:39] I didn’t bring any in, I didn’t bring anything in about his awkwardness. I didn’t bring anything in about like how badly written his stuff was. Like, there’s all sorts of stuff I could have done that would have been like. [00:54:49]Brett: [00:54:49] What do you have to do to make 400,000 a year? I feel like there’s a, a ceiling on my potential income that will prevent me from ever making $400,000 a year. [00:54:59] Christina: [00:54:59] Yeah. [00:55:00] [00:54:59] same. So the real story is that he was, he came into journalism when they still paid magazine people like insane rates. Like there was a time like when like magazine money was massive and then he was early blogging and kind of made a name for himself. Kind of like the Matic Lacey is type like there are these people who, if you were a well-known blogger in the early two thousands, like the Mattick Lacey’s is the Glenn. [00:55:26] Greenwald’s like the Felix salmons there. Uh like there are, are other people, um, Andrew Sullivan’s like where you will be paid. [00:55:38] Brett: [00:55:38] Huh. [00:55:38] Christina: [00:55:38] Like area Arianna Huffington, even before, you know, Huff post or whatnot, you know what I mean? Like she was like one of those types, like there, there are those people who will like probably always be able to make that kind of money because they had, were seen by established establishment. [00:55:54] Like the people who don’t really know anything about media don’t really know anything about stuff, but they’re like, oh, well this is a big name. So [00:56:00] we’ll pay them this. Right. And, and like, I’m sure I have no idea how much someone like Maggie Haberman makes the New York times and some of the other, like really the columnists. [00:56:07] I’m sure they make a lot, Kara Swisher I’m sure makes with your podcast and stuff at the times, I’m sure she makes at least half a million a year, um, just on that stuff. And then on our outside stuff and, you know, she, she’s clearly making, I would guess over a million a year, I’m guessing I could be wrong on this, but this is just my guests, her podcasts alone. [00:56:26] I would think, you know, she’s, she’s making significant amounts of money. Um, but she works really hard and, and, and has, in my opinion, like I don’t begrudge that, you know, like Maureen died. I’m sure makes $400,000 a year, but, uh, Yeah. [00:56:43] Um, I don’t put him in that same category and I never have, he got lucky. [00:56:48] And what happened was that when fusion was started, it was a joint venture between Disney and Univision and they were just giving out exorbitant salaries and he wasn’t laid off [00:57:00] until like, they were about to sell the company to the private equity people who paid like peanuts for it. And, and then I think they still paid off his contract, um, because he had, because I guess, and again, I’ve never made this much money and probably never will, but I think apparently when you make that much money, you usually have employment contracts rather than being like necessarily at will. [00:57:22] And, uh, from what I understand, he then had like a period of time when he wasn’t working. Uh, he’d been kind of like, let go or whatever, but they still paid out the rest of his year and they just didn’t want to have it on the books when they sold it to the next company. So, and then, you know, Yeah. [00:57:41] He also like did a slate thing. [00:57:43] I don’t know anyway, fuck that guy. But, uh, but that was my very good tweet that went viral. [00:57:49]Brett: [00:57:49] Cool. With our lesson two minutes. Well, actually, yeah, we have a minute and a half. I got to tell you about a cable management solution. [00:57:57] Christina: [00:57:57] Yes, please do. [00:57:59] Brett: [00:57:59] So like, I’ve been [00:58:00] like one weekend at a time continuing to make my cables prettier and prettier. And so, you know, what, what like cable clips you use under your desk? And the problem I’ve always run into is if you get enough cables packed into one, then it puts enough tension that the adhesive always comes off. [00:58:23] And then you’re just left with cables with, with clips on them hanging under your desk. So I found these things, um, they’re cleverly called, uh, adjustable cable clamp. Um, they’re from a, uh, I believe Taiwanese manufacturer, but I will link them on in the show notes here. I’ll show you these in Quip here. Um, They, they have like a ladder style instead of like the little ratchet, zip tie kind of thing. [00:58:59] They have this [00:59:00] ladder style, big, uh, big holes in a big tab that, that locks them in place and undoing them, undoing them. You just pull down on them and push and you can undo them. And they have a little hole in the metal and they come with a bunch of tiny screws. So you can actually screw them under your desk. [00:59:21] They can hold a huge bundle of cables or they can tightly hold just a couple of USB cables. Um, they’re big enough to hold entire like power cables and [00:59:32] Christina: [00:59:32] yeah, this is [00:59:32] Brett: [00:59:32] perfect. Yes, I am [00:59:34] Christina: [00:59:34] No, this is great. Yeah. [00:59:35] I, I might get some of these cars under my desk. I do have like a cable management, like tray thing kind of solution. And it has some like, clips, like you said, but not like this where you can very easily expand it because usually like, at least in my case, like I have to like cut them and like redo them. [00:59:52] Brett: [00:59:52] Right. And these are like 28 cents a piece. They’re not, they’re not fancy that I I’m loving them. They’re the best solution I’ve found [01:00:00] so far. [01:00:00] Christina: [01:00:00] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Okay. [01:00:02] Brett: [01:00:02] Just, doing my, my service for the readers or for the listeners. [01:00:07] Christina: [01:00:07] listeners. [01:00:08] know this is good, and this is important because you’re about to like, be, you know, filming yourself. So you need to, you know, clutter, [01:00:14] Brett: [01:00:14] Oh my God. I have to, I have to redo the whole back wall of my office and put up like a bookshelf and some shelves with like my YouTube awards on them. Uh, probably need to repaint the whole thing. I’m just kidding. I don’t have YouTube awards. It’s just all of my favorite YouTube channels. They always have like one like little YouTube award up there. [01:00:35] Christina: [01:00:35] I know, I know. I that’s, that’s a, that’s all, I feel like part of me wants to like start a YouTube channel, like, like, like do a real thing out of it just so I can get my own, um, uh, silver play button. Um, uh, we got a silver play button for, uh, for channel nine for Microsoft developer. Um, but like, I, I, I wanted to get to that point. [01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] borrow that one? [01:00:56] Christina: [01:00:56] I mean, I know cause you know, they want to in, in like the studio, [01:01:00] like the actual studio, so I can’t have it at my house. Uh, and it wouldn’t be fair. So, um, I, I do wish it was one of those things where like, they would let you have multiples, you know, like you could order multiples for all the people on your team, but they don’t let you do that. [01:01:14]Brett: [01:01:14] Rules. All right. Well, thanks for, I, I feel pretty good. Uh, depression wise in this moment that you, you perk me up a little bit. [01:01:27] Christina: [01:01:27] Yes, [01:01:28] Brett: [01:01:28] It won’t last, I mean, this isn’t like it’s not fixable, [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] no, totally. but but [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] for the moment I’m actually feeling [01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] the moment, well that’s good and hopefully it will only be a few more days of feeling like shit and then you can go back to feeling. Yeah. [01:01:44] Brett: [01:01:44] Yes. I have a second appointment Monday, which won’t actually, you know, take appointments. Don’t fix anything, but maybe [01:01:51] Christina: [01:01:51] I mean they don’t, but like, you feels better to talk about stuff. I actually have a sh I have a string appointment in like 25 minutes. [01:01:56] Brett: [01:01:56] Oh, we’ll have fun with that. [01:01:58] Christina: [01:01:58] Thank you. I appreciate it. [01:02:00] [01:01:59] Brett: [01:01:59] And then get some sleep, Christina. [01:02:01] Christina: [01:02:01] Get some sleep bread.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 243 [00:00:00] Ashley: [00:00:00] I hope Brett never gets the internet back again. [00:00:03] [00:00:07]Christina: [00:00:07] Welcome to overtired. I’m Christina Warren, Brett Terpstra is having internet problems. And, uh, so he’s been a little bitch and isn’t on the show. So our good friend, Ashley Esqueda is here. Ashley. You’re amazing. You got up at six 30 in the morning to record this. How are you? [00:00:28] Ashley: [00:00:28] I overtired. That’s how I’m [00:00:30] Christina: [00:00:30] I fucking love it. I love it. [00:00:32] Okay. So, but this is why I’m really glad you’re here because Brett would have no concept of why it was amazing that Nick Carter was in a tech talk with the members of Insync. [00:00:43] Ashley: [00:00:43] oh, we’re going to get into some geriatric millennial stuff [00:00:46] Christina: [00:00:46] Thank you exactly. See, he’s all a gum Jew. I’m generics. I’m too cool for this. [00:00:51] Ashley: [00:00:51] too. Cool. [00:00:52] Christina: [00:00:52] And it’s like, no, fuck you. First of all, even if we were gen X, we still would have known this. Cause like my sister is gen X and she would not have been as [00:01:00] delighted as me because she was a full ass grown lady when the, you know, um, great wars of in-sync versus Backstreet [00:01:08] Ashley: [00:01:08] band wars. [00:01:09] Christina: [00:01:09] Yes. Yeah. W what team were you by the way? [00:01:12] Ashley: [00:01:12] Okay. So I was so really I’m, I’m an old ass old ass millennials, so I was a new kids on the block girl way back in the day. And then, um, and then I, like, I think I liked in-sync songs better, but I liked, I liked the guys in Backstreet [00:01:30] Christina: [00:01:30] Okay. So see, okay. I was kind of the reverse, but I’m with you in that, in the fact that like, everybody always says you could pick one, I’m like, yeah. But see, I, I loved like the Insync pop songs were really good. Uh, I thought the backstreets ballads were, were amazing. [00:01:45] Ashley: [00:01:45] Okay. Yes, I [00:01:46] Christina: [00:01:46] Okay. And then the one that I wanted to fuck was JC. [00:01:50] So [00:01:51] Ashley: [00:01:51] I mean everybody did. Everybody did like anybody who says it was anyone else. Like you’re a liar and get out. [00:01:57] Christina: [00:01:57] thank you. But like everybody else, people like, oh, I love Nick or I [00:02:00] love, you know, Brian or whatever. I’m like, I’m like, no, no. I’m like, I’m like JC, JC Shay was the only one, in my opinion of all 10 of them who was absolutely hittable. Exactly. Like he was the one I was like, yeah. [00:02:10] Okay. I will do him. But like the rest of them didn’t care anything about, and he, he, he kind of, he’s not really that hot anymore though. He still has his hair. So if you lost a little bit of weight, like I’d, I’d be down, but I know that’s being like, you know, body, [00:02:27] Ashley: [00:02:27] your personal taste? That’s a personal taste [00:02:29] Christina: [00:02:29] Awesome. It [00:02:30] Ashley: [00:02:30] he seems like he’s thriving. I’m [00:02:32] Christina: [00:02:32] thriving. It’s actually upsetting to me because he was the best. Justin Timberlake has even gone on record and said, this, Justin Timberlake has even been like, I [00:02:42] Ashley: [00:02:42] is the worst, by the way, like the absolute worst human being. [00:02:46] Christina: [00:02:46] absolute worst human being. He’s terrible human being made some really good albums. Not going to lie about that. [00:02:52] Ashley: [00:02:52] No, I got, look, I, I loved I, there are some ex not, not recently, [00:02:58] Christina: [00:02:58] no, no, no, no. The [00:03:00] woods album was, was real weird, but [00:03:01] Ashley: [00:03:01] is weird. Um, but let’s go way back to sexy, [00:03:05] Christina: [00:03:05] sexy back next back [00:03:07] Ashley: [00:03:07] Very good. [00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] That’s what I’m saying. Crimea river. [00:03:10] Ashley: [00:03:10] Yeah. That album slaps. That album still [00:03:13] Christina: [00:03:13] it’s still [00:03:14] Ashley: [00:03:14] hate, I hate liking it. Like you may actually actively makes me mad that I still enjoy that album. I’m like, I it’s like a, in Ratatouille when Anton ego takes a bite and he like begrudgingly admits it’s an incredible, like that’s me [00:03:26] Christina: [00:03:26] no, this is how I feel too. Yeah, same, same. And it still holds up, but, but Justin Timberlake has gone on record. He’s like, look, JC was the best of all of us. And he was, if you like, this is the thing I love button sync. The only two, whoever did solos see Backstreet was better singers. All five of them could sing only two of Insync could sing. [00:03:45] It was JC and Justin they’re the only two who could sing. And they’re the only two who do solos, like the other three, like they were background. And that was fine. And the last two albums, Justin was able to sing more and more, but they were like coast [00:04:00] soloists at the end. But like JC was like the man, he was cute. [00:04:04] He could dance and Timberlake to his credit. He’s been like, yeah, JC, like was the one who brought me in and I like learned from him. And if JC his solo album hadn’t flopped and it did flop. Um, if it hadn’t, if it hadn’t flopped, I think the timing of it was weird. The lead single wasn’t great. Like he just didn’t have the right producers. [00:04:23] Ashley: [00:04:23] we could have, we could have experienced a whole [00:04:25] Christina: [00:04:25] I know we could have where we’re like Justin was a thing. Cause I still think that Crimea river would have been like, and it’s an iconic song and it’s an iconic video and I’m not mad at him for the [00:04:37] Ashley: [00:04:37] But imagine if like Jaycee had had Justin’s producers on that [00:04:42] Christina: [00:04:42] that’s what I’m saying. I agree if the Neptunes, if the Neptunes had done JC, holy shit are honestly [00:04:50] Ashley: [00:04:50] have yeah. Alternate timeline. [00:04:52] Christina: [00:04:52] totally. And I think pop music would have been better for it because actually, oh, I’m going to go this far. This is, this is an interesting thought. Do [00:05:00] you think that if JC shows a had, had like a really like killer solo career, do you think that Adam Levine and maroon five would have been as big [00:05:08] Ashley: [00:05:08] Ooh, that’s a good question. I mean, songs about Jane was mega mega mega hit. So I mean, you know, okay. I’ll say [00:05:19] Christina: [00:05:19] competing. [00:05:20] Ashley: [00:05:20] it, Yes, but it also feels like. It feels like they hit, it’s hard to say. Cause they hit at, at a time where there was kind of this whole, there’s a perfect hole for them to just shoot into the stratosphere with like a really good song. [00:05:38] And so, I mean, I think bands like that sometimes just break through regardless. [00:05:43] Christina: [00:05:43] Yeah, no, I agree. I just, I wonder if they would have continued like songs about Jane I’m with you, like that album. That was like the same time it was like, this is all at 2002, 2003. Like that album still would have been, cause it was a great freaking [00:05:56] Ashley: [00:05:56] I feel like, yes, because like, because there’s a, there’s a contingent of, [00:06:00] uh, because I think a lot of people would have constrained would have still considered JC pop and, and I think a lot of people kind of consider, I think they, they sort of consider Adam Levine as like a rocker, right? [00:06:14] It’s [00:06:14] Christina: [00:06:14] I guess so. [00:06:15] Ashley: [00:06:15] rock guy. Like it’s a rock it’s like soft rock or whatever. [00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] Yeah. That’s a good point. Okay. So they might’ve still hit, I still think something about Jane would have been massive. I just wonder if like [00:06:26] Ashley: [00:06:26] They feel like co headliners at a [00:06:28] Christina: [00:06:28] That’s something like, I feel like, like they, cause they were very kind of similar look and I think they could have had similar, like. You know, like fill the void. [00:06:36] I wonder if like the subsequent maroon five albums would have been maybe, maybe, maybe they would have been, but that would have been an interesting thing to observe. [00:06:43] Ashley: [00:06:43] man, I love sliding doors of time. Like when you think about like people who are almost cast in a certain role or like people who like, I love that stuff. [00:06:50] Christina: [00:06:50] do choose inside indoors always makes me think, you know, why? Uh, do you know why? When on a writer and a Gwyneth Paltrow are not friends. [00:06:57] Ashley: [00:06:57] Oh my God. Please tell [00:06:59] Christina: [00:06:59] Okay. This is [00:07:00] actually an amazing story. So Gwenyth Paltrow fucking got to give it to her like [00:07:05] Ashley: [00:07:05] I’m so interested in this start. You have piqued my, you, [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] good. [00:07:09] Ashley: [00:07:09] you have my full and [00:07:11] Christina: [00:07:11] Goop goop is brutal. Okay. So we’re not a writer, you know, especially for airlines, one of the best before the whole like shoplifting thing and what I like really great actress, she had the scripts for Shakespeare in love on her coffee table. She and Gwen were friends who, when it sees the script and then goes behind her back and goes to the casting directors and gets cast in Shakespeare [00:07:34] Ashley: [00:07:34] Oh, what a shady bitch. [00:07:36] Christina: [00:07:36] Now I’m not saying that that one Ono would have been better in that role. I actually don’t know if she would have been, but that she exactly, but like, you know, but because of that, she got the Oscar and we got the amazing pink dress, Oscar, the most iconic Oscar dress of all time. I [00:07:53] Ashley: [00:07:53] one of the greats, [00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] of the greats, like, like one of the greats like that, the Penelope Cruz dress, like there’s, there are a few, but like that that’s [00:08:00] the pink dress is like so iconic. [00:08:01] Like I just [00:08:02] Ashley: [00:08:02] it is very [00:08:03] Christina: [00:08:03] like, like, [00:08:03] Ashley: [00:08:03] I’d say Julia Roberts black and right dress like, that. That’s another one. Um, Oh, Michelle Williams heard that beautiful orangy yellow dress. Like I will never forget that [00:08:12] Christina: [00:08:12] no, that was amazing. Yeah. It, yeah, that’d be great. Yeah. There, there were a number of them. That’s one of the ones like that’s one of the first ones that I remember being like, oh yeah, 100%. So, and, and she looked like a princess and like all the other group things aside, like I always think of that. [00:08:27] I’m like, all right. That was, that was like peak with, um, also sliding doors is a good movie, but, uh, uh, yeah, so that, but that makes me think that yet, but that’s why they are not friends, um, because which is which I know, which I, I love. Um, okay, so [00:08:44] Ashley: [00:08:44] Since we’re talking about early two thousands, can we just really briefly touch on. How wholesome and delightful. So Avril Levine launched her tech talk this week [00:08:53] Christina: [00:08:53] Oh my God. [00:08:54] Ashley: [00:08:54] and she did a Tik TOK for skater boy, which like is perfect, like good. job [00:09:00] Admiral. [00:09:00] Christina: [00:09:00] the perfect tic talker song because the gen Z, they might’ve heard it on the radio and like, like the hits radio, like their moms sing it, but they don’t know it. [00:09:09] Ashley: [00:09:09] In the car on the way to school, like their mom’s listening to it. [00:09:12] Christina: [00:09:12] And it’s always been in their background, but like, they don’t know it the way that we know it. [00:09:16] They don’t like understand why it’s like this, like emo like geriatric, millennial Anthem. [00:09:21] Ashley: [00:09:21] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so she does this like lovely, like she’s doing the song and everything. And then all of a sudden, as soon as the chorus hits, he was a skater boy. It’s Tony Hawk with his skateboard and. Why is it so wholesome? Why is this fulfill me in a way that I was not expecting today? Like, it was just so delightful. [00:09:41] What a, what a nice surprise to like open in my, on my phone. It’s just such a random thing. And I was so excited to see it. [00:09:49] Christina: [00:09:49] I was too. I was so excited by that. And I’ve, I’ve never really been that big of an apple fan. I’m going to be honest, [00:09:55] Ashley: [00:09:55] Same, same, [00:09:55] Christina: [00:09:55] like I [00:09:56] Ashley: [00:09:56] that’s, I mean, we all know that [00:09:58] Christina: [00:09:58] We all know that song. And, [00:10:00] and, and it’s like, it’s like, it’s like that one and, and girlfriend, and like, there are a couple of them and it’s like, I always tolerated her. [00:10:04] I was never really into her. I was kind of like, you seem fake to me to be totally honest. I was like, you, you are trying way too hard, the sum 41 marriage yet. So try hard. But that song fucks, she looked great. Um, and she’s had some health problems, so I was really happy to see that. And she looked like amazing. [00:10:25] Like, it really did make me feel like I was like [00:10:27] Ashley: [00:10:27] ageless. [00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] Totally. I was like, Ooh girl, like whoever is like your, you know, dermatologist or your Sur, like, whatever. Like, I please call me because I want, I look young for my age, but I want to continue looking [00:10:40] Ashley: [00:10:40] reverse [00:10:41] Christina: [00:10:41] one. That, that is my goal in life, [00:10:43] Ashley: [00:10:43] Let’s just Benjamin button it up. We’ll just go backwards. [00:10:45] Christina: [00:10:45] thank you. [00:10:46] This is my goal in life, honestly. So I, I. Call me. I don’t, I don’t have Admiral money, but I’m not broke. So I will go into debt. Like I can’t afford a house, so I will, you know, like if I need [00:11:00] to, I’ll spend all my money on, on, um, plastic surgery. I have no problem with that. Uh, but no, she looks great. Tony Hawk. [00:11:08] I love him so much. [00:11:10] Ashley: [00:11:10] He, just seems like a delight. [00:11:12] Christina: [00:11:12] he he is I’ve, um, I’ve interviewed him twice and he was amazing both times. And the second time was actually a, an online chat. We got him to do at kiss Boto and he was so funny because I was like, um, uh, what is the cause I asked him, I was like, what is the best Tony Hawk game? And why is it Tony Hawk to, for dream cast? [00:11:35] And, uh, and he like, which is the obvious correct answer. And, um, he, uh, he was really funny about talking about how much, like he liked helping with games. And this was like, Five years ago. So this was before they had the, uh, [00:11:50] Ashley: [00:11:50] the revival. [00:11:51] Christina: [00:11:51] which were great. Really, really [00:11:53] Ashley: [00:11:53] song. [00:11:54] Christina: [00:11:54] Yeah. The haka sauce. [00:11:55] And it was, I don’t remember what it was for huge. I think he just wanted to, [00:12:00] uh, I think we just put it out there. I think somebody just put it out there. We wanted to talk to him. He was like, okay. Like, it was just a really random thing. I don’t even know what he was promoting. Like I think he was just, we like put it out on the internet and he was like, yeah, sure. [00:12:10] I’ll talk, I’ll do a chat with the, with the fans, with, with your audience, which is like, he’s Tony Hawk, you know, he’s just like, sure. I’ll sit on the internet for an hour and do an AMA in the kitchen comments section [00:12:24] Ashley: [00:12:24] Oh, bless him. Bless him. [00:12:27] Christina: [00:12:27] that. That’s that’s good trick. As you know, you’ve interviewed probably more people than I have, and that is not how most people do. [00:12:35] Ashley: [00:12:35] No, [00:12:36] Christina: [00:12:36] Especially celebrities of his stature. Most people who are like, like tier won’t do that shit. Um, uh, you know, influencers, sometimes their PR people want them to do stuff, but like, they, they won’t engage that way, but someone who’s who’s Tony Hawk, who’s like literally an icon, [00:12:52] Ashley: [00:12:52] a legend. [00:12:53] Christina: [00:12:53] like, like, and, and, and weird thing. [00:12:55] And that, like he, so Brett’s generation was really the [00:13:00] first Tony Hawk generation. You and I, I wasn’t aware of him honestly, until the video games. [00:13:06] Ashley: [00:13:06] yeah. [00:13:07] Christina: [00:13:07] Um, uh, you, you were up in California, right? [00:13:11] Ashley: [00:13:11] Yeah. I mean, it’s So, Cal, so Cal, till I [00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] okay. Okay. So yeah, so, so you might’ve had more periphery thing, but me, like in like the Atlanta suburbs, like I honestly think it was the video games, um, uh, [00:13:23] Ashley: [00:13:23] I feel like we were like, I, like I found out about Tony Hawk from like warp tour. [00:13:27] Christina: [00:13:27] Yeah, same. Okay. [00:13:28] Ashley: [00:13:28] I was like a big, that, was like a big thing. [00:13:30] Christina: [00:13:30] I was going to say, okay, it was warped tour, but that in my mind, I guess like the games are the same. So, um, you know, but it was that same era, but, but he, he came up in the eighties, like he was one of the first big vert skaters, and he was a superstar in that era. And then he was the only one who was able to adapt to streetscape skating, which is then what, like led the next wave. [00:13:52] Like all the other ones fell out. Like they, they like, they couldn’t do it. Like if you watch any of the skating documentaries as I have, because I’m a [00:14:00] weirdo. Um, and I can’t skate wear for shit. Like I, I like face plant, like I’m bad. Um, I’ve, I’ve tried my whole life. I’m just, I can’t do it. Um, [00:14:09] Ashley: [00:14:09] I’m built like a draft. I can’t can’t do anything. I’ve weekend goals. I don’t know. [00:14:13] Christina: [00:14:13] um, but my, my, I blame my mom who was always. Overly cautious. Like I have like ultimate helicopter mom. And so she was one of those things who like, if I would go rollerblading or anything that she would be like, you have to have pads on and helmets and all this stuff. And like, you know, then you’re like bogged down with things like you can’t really move that way. [00:14:33] Ashley: [00:14:33] Well, and then it’s like, you don’t want you by the time you get everything on your leg. No, I’m kind of over this. I don’t want to do it [00:14:38] Christina: [00:14:38] That’s exactly it that’s exactly it. Uh, and then, I mean, I radically, this is why I became a computer nerd. Um, I mean, it’s not the only reason I think it would have happened anyway, but this was sort of, the catalyst was, um, I used to ride my bike all the time and I was. Pretty severe bike accident when I was 12. [00:14:55] And, uh, on the way back from, um, the ER, getting [00:15:00] x-rayed before I got my jaw wired shut, um, cause it was that bad. I was coming down like I was coming down a massive hill and then I turned a little bit too late and I smacked cause we had, we had this massive, massive hill in this neighborhood and what we would do is we would drive, we would, we would ride our bikes up the hill and then we would coast down and then there was a little turn and we would just turn and kind of coast more. [00:15:20] And I did this probably a hundred times and I turned slightly too late and I went right into a tree and my friends saw me and, and I didn’t even know how bad it was. Like they, they could see it was bad, like, because it was like the, the blunt trauma, like I felt no pain. And I, I, you know, was able to kind of get back on my bike and go back to my house. [00:15:42] So my mom saw me and she just sees the entire right side of my face is just completely just. Shredded. And, um, and then her first concern of course, is, is this going to be permanent scarring? Uh, which thank you, mom, for being like, uh, like concerned about the [00:16:00] important things. And I mean, that genuinely, because like I, with all these plastic surgeons and stuff, I didn’t need surgery for that, but I had, um, because of so much skin and stuff like happen, like it was summer, it was like may. [00:16:12] And, and so I had to have, you know, like sunscreen, like we had to treat it like incredibly carefully and you would never be able to tell, but we were really worried that it was going to leave. Like, cause it was like my cheek, it was like my whole face. Um, but it was hard of the impact was hard enough that like I, um, broke my jaw and so, um, and, uh, and had to have, I mean, it was bad. [00:16:34] And, um, we were coming back from the emergency room, we stopped and, and I was able to get magazines and I had already read all the teen magazines that month. And so I got computer magazines and that was what. Led me into [00:16:49] Ashley: [00:16:49] the kicker. [00:16:49] Christina: [00:16:49] that was, that was the thing. I, I knew I’d wanted to learn more about them anyway, but that was like the catalyst, but what I was going to say this, but because of that, like I never really, I got [00:17:00] back on my bike and, and I, you know, I even went down that hill again, just because I needed to get over it, but it sort of changed my relationship with that sort of stuff, you know, because I w I was [00:17:12] Ashley: [00:17:12] And it would, yeah, I would, [00:17:13] Christina: [00:17:13] well, and I think as I was just old enough that, like, you knew the consequences, like if it had happened when I was like seven, [00:17:19] Ashley: [00:17:19] seven, or eight. You’d be like, ah, it’s fine. [00:17:21] Like no big deal. Just keep riding my bike. [00:17:24] Christina: [00:17:24] Right. But you’re 12. You’re like, you know, [00:17:27] Ashley: [00:17:27] could have disfigured me for forever. [00:17:29] Christina: [00:17:29] Exactly. [00:17:30] Ashley: [00:17:30] maybe it just won’t do that. [00:17:31] Christina: [00:17:31] 100%. Like I remember having to go to a, um, when, like, after this had happened, like my face was so bad, my mom didn’t make me go to school for a couple of days. And I had to go to school at the end of the year for awards day. And I had to, and I, I got all these awards, which was great, but it was terrible because then I had to walk up in front of like the entire grade, you know, his big auditorium and like have my face, which like looks like, you know, hamburger and is gross and has all kinds of, you know, [00:18:00] stuff on it. [00:18:00] Like, and kids are assholes anyway. So, um, that was great. Um, right after it happened, I remember having to go and get fitted for my cheerleading uniform. And that was just like, and those girls were terrible. Like awful. Most of them are up meth heads. So that does make me feel slightly better. Uh, but. I’ll never forget that. [00:18:22] I’ll never forget, like having like, to being in so much pain in my face, being what it was and having to like, you know, be fitted for this very, very, very tiny, literally child’s size. Cause I was very small for my age, like cheerleading uniform and like my face being just whatnot. But anyway, that was a whole, that was a whole divergence. [00:18:41] See, but until the Tony Hawk apple thing, [00:18:44] Ashley: [00:18:44] back to Tony Hawk and Avril. [00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] I was going to say no, but, but, so I think that’s why it was never that into the skating thing, but I loved him and, and he just seems even this generation it’s weird. Cause like he’s our guy, he was also technically breasts generation and then all the subsequent [00:19:00] generations, like they still know him and love him. [00:19:02] Like [00:19:03] Ashley: [00:19:03] find him. [00:19:03] like, it’s really interesting how, like, it seems Like [00:19:06] every, about 10 years, like Tony Hawk pops up, does something incredible and then like does, and then just does his own thing. Like it’s not that he disappears just, he does his own thing and everybody just knows. [00:19:16] Christina: [00:19:16] Everybody knows him. Um, like, did you hear the story that there’s this kid on Instagram? I think as a human shattered or whatever, and he was at a skate park and he was skating and this kid, and he asked, you know, the kid’s name and they were skating together. And the guy’s like, what’s your name? [00:19:30] He’s like, Tony was like, oh yeah, like Tony Hawk. And, and, and the kid didn’t realize that it was Tony Hawk. [00:19:35] Ashley: [00:19:35] was literally [00:19:36] Christina: [00:19:36] And, and, and he gave him a shout out on Twitter or Instagram or something. And then the kid figured it out and cause all of his friends realized [00:19:45] Ashley: [00:19:45] We’re like, Hey, dumb, dumb. [00:19:46] Christina: [00:19:46] Hey. Hey. Yeah, exactly. Hey, Hey, Hey, dumb ass. [00:19:48] That was actually Tony Hawk. And cause, cause Tony told the story online or whatever and, and, and then he joined it and Tony was supposed to be to him and he like gave him a shout out and like, you know, posted his like Insta and stuff for people to follow, which was really [00:20:00] nice. And I was like, okay, we need like [00:20:03] Ashley: [00:20:03] just protect Tony Hawk at all [00:20:05] Christina: [00:20:05] at all costs. [00:20:06] So yeah, but that tech talk that, that was that, between that and, and, uh, Going back, Nick Carter, doing the buy, buy, buy dance with Insync [00:20:15] Ashley: [00:20:15] Pretty delayed. [00:20:16] Christina: [00:20:16] really, really like peak, like early two thousands stuff. [00:20:22] Ashley: [00:20:22] I mean, why don’t they just combine and make like a, make like a BTS, but for like old boy banders where they just have more people in the band, like they could just do that. [00:20:32] Christina: [00:20:32] they? Honestly, they should, because Backstreet is still making albums and touring. Uh, Justin is never going [00:20:39] Ashley: [00:20:39] No, he’s never [00:20:40] Christina: [00:20:40] again. Never. And he’s been clear about that. Um, I don’t even know. I mean, JC I, maybe what I, but part of me feels like he he’s too good for the other three. [00:20:50] So, so like just, just take, you know, [00:20:53] Ashley: [00:20:53] It’s a lot of baggage. There’s a lot of, there’s a lot of emotional baggage there [00:20:56] Christina: [00:20:56] I imagine I’m sure. Yeah. But, but imagine like a take, just take [00:21:00] Joey, you know, Chris and, and, uh, uh, uh, um, Lance and, and, and like, let them just integrate them in, into Backstreet boys. Yeah. Do you remember cause you were a new kids fan? I never saw the shows because I would have one boy band show when I was like 15 and that was traumatic because of, and I’ve been to hundreds of concerts and that was a traumatic concert just because of the number of people and the, the degree of the fandom. [00:21:26] And. [00:21:26] Ashley: [00:21:26] It’s intense man. Like I never went in person to anything like that. Um, I like, but I did. I remember, I think I was maybe like five to eight, like between five and eight. And, um, I had my, my mom rented like a pay-per-view [00:21:46] Christina: [00:21:46] Yes. Oh, of the new kids concert. Yes. Yeah. I remember this, but no, I was going to say those. They had a tour. I think they did it twice where it was like in K O T BSB. [00:21:58] Ashley: [00:21:58] Yeah. I remember [00:22:00] that. That was, um, was that like, feels like 10 or 15 [00:22:03] Christina: [00:22:03] Yeah. Yeah. I think it was like 10 years ago or something. Yeah. But I was, um, this, uh, this girl that, that I knew a little bit, um, she was like a massive, massive boy band fan when we were in high school and she went back to two new kids as well, but she was like massive, like obsessive. [00:22:21] Ashley: [00:22:21] I could, like, I, I like, even if I went now, like I was a massive fan as I’m like a kid kid, but like I never, I never, but that was like pre, it was like pre pubescent. It was very pure, [00:22:31] Christina: [00:22:31] Oh, no, totally [00:22:32] Ashley: [00:22:32] wholesome. And like, I just, I never got into, I was a big, like when I was in my teens, um, I missed like a lot of music cause I was really into, I was really into sky and I was really into west coast rap. [00:22:47] That was like, that was my thing. Like Dre [00:22:49] Christina: [00:22:49] Yep. [00:22:49] Ashley: [00:22:49] and, and Luda and Tupac. Like [00:22:52] Christina: [00:22:52] Yeah, no, I like it that I like that too. And I, my thing is, I thought I was okay, so I used to stock. I’m like, uh, there’s an emo band saves [00:23:00] the day and I, we stock them junior year. Like we went to all of their Southern shows and got into fights with their girlfriends on there, internet [00:23:07] Ashley: [00:23:07] fish. I was like that with real big [00:23:09] Christina: [00:23:09] okay. [00:23:09] I love real big fish. [00:23:10] Ashley: [00:23:10] big fish. [00:23:10] fan. I sang with them when I was 15. And then I think I did it. [00:23:13] Christina: [00:23:13] Oh my God. [00:23:14] Ashley: [00:23:14] I think I sang with them again at one point. And I’m actually friends with her with their original trombone player. [00:23:18] He has a, he has a brewery here in long beach. [00:23:21] Christina: [00:23:21] amazing. They were included. They were the house band and clueless. [00:23:25] Ashley: [00:23:25] Uh, they were in basketball for [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] I know that for the aha cover, but I was pretty sure that they were the house band cause they had the song is on the soundtrack, but I thought, I thought they [00:23:35] Ashley: [00:23:35] been Goldfinger maybe, [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] know they’re there. The Tony Hawk band, I thought, but I pretty sure that that, uh, because Amy Heckerling also, so Cal for life, she integrated, like there was a lot of Scott music on the clueless soundtrack. [00:23:51] Um, I I’m pretty sure real big fish was the band at the party where they play second blow. Um, real big fish clueless [00:24:00] [00:23:59] Ashley: [00:23:59] Well, it’s I know mighty, mighty Bosstones is in there [00:24:03] Christina: [00:24:03] oh, that might’ve been who it was. [00:24:04] Ashley: [00:24:04] at the, yeah. At the, at [00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] That’s what it [00:24:06] Ashley: [00:24:06] that big deck, like [00:24:08] Christina: [00:24:08] Yes, no, that’s what you’re right. It’s mighty, mighty Bosstones I’m I’m I am wrong on that. Uh, sorry about that. So, yes. Um, so that, that, that I completely got them confused, but same genre. Um, but yeah. Uh, okay. So. I was just wondering the reason I was asking. [00:24:26] Cause they had that, that, uh, like combined tour, that is something I would have never gone to. I would never go to, I would consider [00:24:32] Ashley: [00:24:32] Too much thirst. [00:24:33] Christina: [00:24:33] oh my God. [00:24:34] Ashley: [00:24:34] can’t deal with that. [00:24:35] Christina: [00:24:35] They have like the cruises. They still, I don’t think they have, I don’t know if they still have them, but like Backstreet has done the cruises [00:24:40] Ashley: [00:24:40] Before the germs came, [00:24:41] Christina: [00:24:41] before the germs. [00:24:42] But, but can you imagine anything honestly, worse than like a bunch of like women in their thirties and forties who are still obsessed with Backstreet boys or new kids or whatever? No, exactly embarrassing, but also like 4,000 of them on a [00:24:57] Ashley: [00:24:57] Screaming, chasing [00:24:58] Christina: [00:24:58] Yes. And, and, and [00:25:00] now they’re now there’s alcohol and like horniness involved. [00:25:04] Ashley: [00:25:04] get weird. Weird, really fast. Like, like an office party. Like you go to the, the, the company Christmas party and that some point usually it’s at about 10 o’clock at night, it gets weird. Right? Like anyone who’s left, like it gets weird and always gets weird. Inevitably it gets weird. And like, you got to just get out of there, like, and the thing is you have, and you can’t on a cruise ship. So that’s the thing you’re forced into the [00:25:24] Christina: [00:25:24] Oh, it, it seems like the weirdest thing ever. I think somebody wrote something like a first person account for something for Buzzfeed, about how like they went on, this was like, you know, eight, nine years ago where they went on one of those Backstreet boys cruises and I read it and I was like, this, this seems kind of like my idea of hell. [00:25:39] Um, and, and I, I, would’ve never done that, but, but it’s interesting, but I think that, yeah, it’s just to close the loop. Um, and I think that Nick, um, should, uh, invite the other three in sinkers to just join with Backstreet, because if they did a Vegas, they should. [00:25:58] Ashley: [00:25:58] 1990s boy [00:26:00] [00:26:00] Christina: [00:26:00] I agree, because if they did a Vegas residency, I would go to that. [00:26:03] Like, I wouldn’t go to an actual concert. [00:26:05] Ashley: [00:26:05] percent. I’d go to a [00:26:06] Christina: [00:26:06] Like, yeah, like an actual concert in a no circumstances. I’m not going to be dealing with those women in a standing show. Like I’m not doing it. Um, I, I’m not doing it, but I will like, I’m small. I will be, I will be killed and I’m not doing it, but the Vegas residency, [00:26:26] Ashley: [00:26:26] You gotta be careful about that. [00:26:27] Christina: [00:26:27] that’s what I’m saying. [00:26:28] But, but a Vegas residency, hell yeah. Like would be down for that. Um, we have to talk about sexy beasts. Is that what the show is? [00:26:35] Ashley: [00:26:35] This is? I mean, [00:26:37] Christina: [00:26:37] We have to talk about that. But before we do, let me just real quickly read a sponsor read, um, who I’m sure is going to really appreciate this before we get into furry porn. [00:26:46] Cause that’s what this is. We’re going to talk about our sponsor this week, which is Molekule. 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What if we dressed up attractive people like animals and devils and other things, and we put a bunch of special effects makeup on them and then put, let them go on blind dates together. [00:30:00] [00:29:59] Uh, this trailer looks insane. Like I don’t, I don’t know any other way to describe it. Uh, I, I have been laughing about this trailer right before we started recording. I saw it and I was like, oh no. [00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] know I woke up and I saw it and I was like, [00:30:19] Ashley: [00:30:19] no. [00:30:20] Christina: [00:30:20] it’s like suddenly like, like my whole timeline went from, um, people being. Commiserating on the New York city mayor mayoral election, which we have a chance to talk about. We will cause that I lost $500, but I was also right. So I feel conflicted, but anyway, um, uh, but people talking about that too, just everybody going crazy over the furry dating show. [00:30:41] Cause that’s what the CA cause [00:30:43] Ashley: [00:30:43] it’s kind of a, well, they’re not, in full suits. [00:30:46] Christina: [00:30:46] well, here’s the thing. I don’t think that the people participating are furries. I think whoever hit, I think whoever pitched this certainly [00:30:53] Ashley: [00:30:53] A hundred percent goes to con like, yes. Do you know who I feel could have pitched this, like [00:31:00] Sonic Fox? right? [00:31:01] Like he just went to Netflix and was like, listen, I have a great idea. And I love sauna. Like, he’s amazing. He’s so nice. Like, but it feels like they went to him were like, if you could make any show, what would it be? [00:31:12] And he was like, this one, like, I I love it. [00:31:16] Christina: [00:31:16] I love it too. And, and I, it looks so dumb and it’s so good. But I watched the circle both seasons or however many seasons there. So I’m like, you know, I love the bachelor and the bachelorette. I am basic as hell. And then this is weird. Like, I, I kind of love this earth. We’re talking about the early two thousands. [00:31:36] I kind of loved this early two thousands Fox, um, like reality aspect. That’s happening on [00:31:42] Ashley: [00:31:42] It’s a vibe. It’s a vibe for sure. It’s definitely a vibe that’s happening. I, so here’s my, here’s my one suggestion to Netflix. [00:31:50] If they really wanted to take this to the next level, um, make it celebrities who are on RIAA, [00:31:56] Christina: [00:31:56] Oh my [00:31:57] Ashley: [00:31:57] like get celebrity, do a celebrity [00:32:00] season where you have, like, I’m not, this is like this, I, this would be the biggest show on Netflix. [00:32:06] If they got a bunch of like celebrities who were single, like Channing Tatum and [00:32:10] Christina: [00:32:10] my God. [00:32:11] Ashley: [00:32:11] and just dress them up in elaborate makeups So that you didn’t know who they were. [00:32:16] Christina: [00:32:16] who they are. [00:32:18] Ashley: [00:32:18] And, and then [00:32:19] Christina: [00:32:19] Oh my God. [00:32:19] Ashley: [00:32:19] basically like, you let them all like have their little, you know, weird creature love island, and then, And [00:32:26] Christina: [00:32:26] then it’s the re [00:32:27] Ashley: [00:32:27] them when they get eliminated. [00:32:29] Christina: [00:32:29] Okay. No, this is genuinely brilliant. And I honestly think that you should like pitch this to whoever the EPA on the show is. I’m not even joking. [00:32:36] Ashley: [00:32:36] get me Mr. Netflix’s phone number. [00:32:39] Christina: [00:32:39] It Ted Sarandos, please talk to Ashley. No, because this adds the, the mass singer [00:32:45] Ashley: [00:32:45] element. of celebrity, Right? It’s the thing people really like, [00:32:48] Christina: [00:32:48] Exactly. Exactly. So could people like that? [00:32:50] So I think the riot thing and would be great too, as the celebrities would know who the other person is. So you have the spear thing where maybe you really like someone and you have like this connection and then you find [00:33:00] out, oh, it’s this person [00:33:01] Ashley: [00:33:01] Oh my God. I’m I’m Wynonna writer and I just fell in love with Gweneth Paltrow. That’s all I’m saying is it? We could really have some moments. [00:33:10] Christina: [00:33:10] Yes. I mean, and that would just be weird enough. And the thing is, is obviously you couldn’t get Gwenyth Paltrow or Channing Tatum, unfortunately, but you could get like, you know, your B list, your list, like people, we remember like people who are still famous enough to be on RIAA. [00:33:26] Ashley: [00:33:26] you could, I feel like you could get a couple of A-listers. That’s all I’m saying. I feel [00:33:31] Christina: [00:33:31] Oh, okay. You know [00:33:31] Ashley: [00:33:31] couple that would be like [00:33:33] Christina: [00:33:33] You know what you’re probably right. Actually you could probably, she could probably get Nick cannon. [00:33:39] Ashley: [00:33:39] Oh, well, you know, he’s very busy right [00:33:41] Christina: [00:33:41] I know this is why I’m saying this. [00:33:44] Ashley: [00:33:44] but yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Like there are, there are some celebrities, I feel like you could totally, you could totally convinced to do it if they’re, if, if you brought them this pitch and we’re like, it’s other celebrities. [00:33:58] Christina: [00:33:58] Yep. [00:33:59] Ashley: [00:33:59] Around [00:34:00] your level. Like if Taika YTT, wasn’t dating Rita Ora right now, which I don’t even want to know what that’s all about. [00:34:07] Christina: [00:34:07] me either. [00:34:08] Ashley: [00:34:08] She’s just, [00:34:09] Christina: [00:34:09] Well, well that the whole, the whole, all the throttle photos were kind of [00:34:12] Ashley: [00:34:12] yeah, those were amazing. [00:34:14] Christina: [00:34:14] Like I lived through, [00:34:15] Ashley: [00:34:15] for Rita Ora, making Rita Ora happen by sheer force of will. Like, I mean, I’m impressed by it, but I’m also, I’m also slightly baffled. [00:34:24] Christina: [00:34:24] Yeah. Um, have you ever listened to a, to who weekly? [00:34:27] Ashley: [00:34:27] No. [00:34:28] Christina: [00:34:28] Um, so it is a, I don’t know if it’s still on, but, uh, but it was a show that the Bobby finger, uh, and, uh, um, Lindsey, uh, Wagner, I think did, and, and, and it’s, um, rather than being about like us weekly about people, you know, it’s about the who’s like, who is this person? [00:34:45] Like, why, why are we talking about them? And Rita Ora is the patron Saint of the who’s [00:34:51] Ashley: [00:34:51] Yeah, no, that’s very true. I have, like, I feel like I’ve heard, I hear her name all the time and I’m like, what does she do again? Like I can’t ever be like, she, [00:35:00] she music that she make music, is that the thing, like every time, every [00:35:04] Christina: [00:35:04] Every time you’re you’re like who you were, like, what? I mean, but as you said, it is one of those amazing, like sheer force of will [00:35:10] Ashley: [00:35:10] It is impressive. [00:35:11] Christina: [00:35:11] she’s, she’s just kind of, she’s been like, you know what, I’m going to make this happen. Like, regardless, [00:35:16] Ashley: [00:35:16] She’s kicking open the seven doors, the seven rooms like, Hey, are you familiar with the seven rooms? Like Graydon Carter. Okay. So great. And Carter, uh, who used to be the editor in chief of vanity fair. yet? He, uh, he talked about how basically there were like seven rooms and in, in celebrity and it’s like every room as you go forward gets smaller. [00:35:39] And so once you get to like room seven, it’s literally like the George Clooney’s of the world. There’s like, there’s like, there’s like 10 of them. Right, [00:35:46] It’s like just, there are not a lot of people [00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] Oh, I have heard of this. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. [00:35:51] Ashley: [00:35:51] Rita Ora read Ora did not start in any of the rooms and somehow has kicked her way into like room, like [00:36:00] five, [00:36:00] Christina: [00:36:00] Yeah. Yeah. I think. [00:36:01] Ashley: [00:36:01] maybe, even Sometimes [00:36:03] Christina: [00:36:03] even six. Yeah. I was going to say like, [00:36:05] Ashley: [00:36:05] how I, say she’s hanging out with the Avengers. [00:36:08] Christina: [00:36:08] I know [00:36:08] Ashley: [00:36:08] pretty amazing. [00:36:09] Christina: [00:36:09] it really is. It’s one of those things where I kind of want, it’s kind of like, [00:36:12] Ashley: [00:36:12] I, respect the hustle. [00:36:14] Christina: [00:36:14] I really respect the hustle and part of me I’m like, okay, is this one of those things where, um, you know, she, uh, like is taking lessons from Chris Jenner, right. [00:36:24] Who admittedly had like the, okay. You know, she had like the, the, the famous or infamous, like we knew his name. We knew the Kardashian name from the OJ trial. We didn’t know her. And then, but at that point, I think she’d already married, um, uh, Caitlin who was then by another name. But like, so we, we knew, um, like she associated herself with famous people, but other [00:36:48] Ashley: [00:36:48] she was around [00:36:49] Christina: [00:36:49] was re yeah. [00:36:50] But, but she wasn’t in like sheer force of will. She like, took like. [00:36:53] Ashley: [00:36:53] her daughters happen. [00:36:54] Christina: [00:36:54] Yeah. She was like, all right, Kim, you’re really upset by the sex tape. I seen [00:37:00] Ryan see crust. Would you like to be even more rich because I promise you this is going to happen. And he’s like, what if there’s a way I can be more rich from, from my III money and my American idol money. [00:37:08] She’s like, just [00:37:09] Ashley: [00:37:09] Yeah. She’s like, let me just like, just trust me do it. Let’s do one season. I mean, she bet big on it, man. And like, yeah. I just it’s like, I don’t, like, I don’t have any love for the Kardashians or anything, but I, I respect the hustle. Right. It’s like, I always feel like I can say, like, I do respect the hustle, regardless of whether you think they have talent. [00:37:31] Christina: [00:37:31] Yeah. I don’t care. Uh, also, [00:37:33] Ashley: [00:37:33] doesn’t. Yeah. [00:37:35] Christina: [00:37:35] also Courtney and Travis, I’m really into that. I’m like really happy for both of them, [00:37:40] Ashley: [00:37:40] Oh, yeah, no, that’s a good, [00:37:43] Christina: [00:37:43] Travis Barker and, and, and Courtney crashing like that if fits honestly. Um, [00:37:47] Ashley: [00:37:47] it. [00:37:48] Christina: [00:37:48] yeah, and I respect [00:37:50] Ashley: [00:37:50] She seems like the re she seems like the really kind of reasonable one [00:37:54] Christina: [00:37:54] She is, she is, she’s like, she’s the, she’s also the one who famously was like Kim, Kim, there are [00:38:00] people dying. Um, [00:38:01] Ashley: [00:38:01] dying after she lost her diamond [00:38:03] Christina: [00:38:03] yeah. Uh, she she’s the reasonable one. Like it used to be like Chloe was used to be part of that. The Chloe’s had her own things. I used to really [00:38:12] Ashley: [00:38:12] has been through some shit, [00:38:14] Christina: [00:38:14] Chloe has been through some shit for real. [00:38:15] And so I give her a little bit of a pass on that, but no, I always enjoyed Kim and, and Kim, uh, Courtney and Chloe. Um, but I really used to enjoy Chloe and Scott’s kind of like bro friendship, but, but Courtney, Kylie’s my favorite. Um, because she’s the best, uh, [00:38:33] Ashley: [00:38:33] I have No, favorite. I have no favorite. I can’t, I can’t say I have a favorite in that show. [00:38:37] Christina: [00:38:37] No, and I, and, and that’s completely fair. And most of our listeners are like, Christina, shut up. Um, but no, I, uh, CA my whole thing with Kylie. I think that her, um, you know, like entrepreneurial stuff and what she’s done as someone who’s as young as she is truly incredible. But my real thing with her is you can say the same thing for Kendall, but especially Kylie, they had no choice in any of the things that [00:39:00] happened to them. [00:39:00] Like they were like, she was eight years old when that show [00:39:02] Ashley: [00:39:02] they, they had no choice in whether to kind of participate or. [00:39:06] Christina: [00:39:06] So, so for me, I like look at her and I’m like, okay, you and Kendall, both. And, and Kendall’s boring. This the only reason she’s not my favorite. She’s very pretty, but she’s completely devoid of anything else. Um, it, Kylie at least is like feisty and has a good personality, but I’m like, okay, you didn’t choose this. [00:39:21] So you’ve had to grow up in this insane thing and you’ve managed to navigate like your own kind of brand personality. [00:39:30] Ashley: [00:39:30] Yeah, you made, you made something out of something. You didn’t have a choice. You did not have a choice in [00:39:35] Christina: [00:39:35] right. Which, which I think is really which, which I, I, that, that I respect that hustle, but, uh, um, that’s enough Kardashian Huck. Brett’s gonna like die when he hears this. We can talk about whatever. Um, [00:39:47] Ashley: [00:39:47] in this podcast is saying they’re good people. Nobody’s saying we should definitely eat them if the revolution comes. Uh, but also like I can’t deny [00:39:59] Christina: [00:39:59] no, the hustle, no, [00:40:00] honestly, no, the hustle, no, the hustle is incredible. Like I, if I had money, like I wish I could hire Chris Jenner to be like my, my momma ger, honestly, like I think my career would be in a much better place. Um, but, uh, [00:40:16] Ashley: [00:40:16] just want to be the best friend of like, I just want to be in that. Like, I, I always see shows like that and I’m like, it would be nice to like, have a friend who’s that famous. Nobody ever followed me anywhere or did anything. [00:40:28] Christina: [00:40:28] That would actually be great. You’ll be like, yeah, I would like that to be, be like the friend who maybe gets a Shire on or Urso, you know, is featured. And like, you get to go on the trips and like the parties, but like, no one is like, you have a lot of Instagram followers, Jonathan. [00:40:43] Ashley: [00:40:43] and then you get to choose, like, if you, if you want to make more out of it, you want to just start your thing or you can just not, you can [00:40:50] Christina: [00:40:50] Right. You can totally just not, I like that. I like [00:40:53] Ashley: [00:40:53] friends with that. [00:40:54] rich person and just be the voice of reason. Be like a good, like that’s that’s me. I want to be [00:41:00] the voice of reason friend where it’s like, come to me when you want to hear the word. [00:41:03] No, [00:41:04] Christina: [00:41:04] Yes. I actually think [00:41:06] Ashley: [00:41:06] or that’s a bad idea. That’s the friend I want to be to a rich person. [00:41:10] Christina: [00:41:10] yeah, so you’re, you’re in, So-Cal you’re adjacent to this. You should, you should make it happen. And then I will, um, [00:41:16] Ashley: [00:41:16] I’ll do my [00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I’ll glom on to you to then glom on to them? Um, I was in orange county two weeks ago and I was like very, it was very orange county. Um, I was, um, staying with my friends. [00:41:30] And never changes. And, and, and this is like, this was very like orange county and, and I mean that Julia is never gonna listen to this. She doesn’t even know this podcast exists, so it’s fine. Um, and I’m not saying anything that I wouldn’t say to her and her friends were lovely, but it was just the most like Newport beach sort of like, you know, like mom’s like, uh, it was, it was, it was me as a non-parent. [00:41:52] It was a very interesting world for me to absorb, to observe, but I was like, Yeah, I don’t. You just, it was interesting to think about like, okay, [00:42:00] what would it be like to live in this and for this to be my life, because you know, like you’re not in this, like, you’re, you’re in so-called, but you’re not an orange county. [00:42:08] Like you’re, um, like in the actual [00:42:11] Ashley: [00:42:11] in LA. [00:42:11] Christina: [00:42:11] you’re in LA, like you’re in the actual city, like, you know, like you, you guys, um, understandably kind of like roll your eyes at orange county, uh, which correct. Um, but, but it is interesting because in these people weren’t like, um, super rich or anything, but just, you know, but, but it’s enough of just kind of being like in a weird, like suburban thing, like, like we took a boat to, um, to, uh, uh, to dinner one night and, and, you know, park the boat, like in the marina. [00:42:38] And, and that was nice. Like, that was a fun thing, but it was just one of those like really. It was like, what would it be like if, cause if they were just a few tiers, like they’re not super rich, but if they’re, but I know they have friends and people who are, and I’m like, huh, what, what would it be like to just be like the hanger on to, you know, some of the people who, uh, are not classy and rich, they’re not [00:43:00] really rich because then they would live in Los Angeles or, or Marin, but like, you know, orange county really wealthy, like to be like real Housewives of orange county shit. [00:43:09] Cause that’s really what it kind of was. It was like a lighter version of like, of like real Housewives. I was like in 10 years, [00:43:16] Ashley: [00:43:16] it’s a, it’s a real Housewives cosplay. It’s, it’s very, it’s very [00:43:19] Christina: [00:43:19] 100%, it was very bizarre. I was like really interesting, honestly, from like a sociological, like, like level [00:43:26] Ashley: [00:43:26] not my jam. It’s not my jam, but like, yeah, I’ve, I’ve been in that situation before and it is, it is surreal actually [00:43:32] Christina: [00:43:32] Yes. Okay. Thank you. Because yeah, my sister is in a similar thing where she’s also, she’s not part of it, but she works for people who are, who are like the real Housewives of Atlanta set. And it’s the same thing where like, I’ll never forget. Um, I was fixing like, uh, her then, um, boss’s computer or something. [00:43:55] And, and this was a woman who had a full-time nanny, um, did not [00:44:00] work. And all three children at that point were in school and she’d never worked. So, um, and didn’t really raise the kids to be honest. Um, the kids, I heard them on more than one occasion slip up and call my sister and mom, which route? Right? [00:44:16] Well, she had power of attorney. Um, oh yeah. Yeah. Like [00:44:21] Ashley: [00:44:21] I just look at that point. Why even have them, like, I like, that’s my, like, I like hanging out with my [00:44:27] Christina: [00:44:27] Yes. I [00:44:27] Ashley: [00:44:27] I enjoy it. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] was going to say, he sounds delightful. He talks to his Winnie, the Pooh stuffed animals. Like I haven’t, I love him already. Um, right. But she, when she was dropping the kids who she had power of attorney of over at this re Atlanta house, and this mom answers the door and she looked younger than me. [00:44:47] And this was like a few years ago. Um, she might’ve been my age, but she looked younger. She, at first I thought she was the step-mom because she looked so young, but she was not, she looks amazing. I was at the [00:45:00] doors and I see these two, eight year olds who are head to toe in, um, under Armour and Lulu lemon, uh, kid stuff. [00:45:07] And they’re on their iPhones. Like the latest iPhone is on TechTalk and, um, and Instagram they’re eight years old and I’m just like, what. Where am I? And, and the mom, and like I said, like the mom just looks fantastic and I’m just like, and I asked my sister, I was like, okay, so she’s the step mom? Oh no, no, she she’s. [00:45:28] She’s the birth mom. I was like, I’m like how, because, okay. This is, and, and I was texting with my friend, Sarah, who, um, loves the real Housewives, like I do and loves trash TV. Like I do. You and Sarah would actually really like each other. Um, and, and I was texting with her about it and I was describing what I was seeing. [00:45:48] And she was like, what even is this? And I was like, I don’t know, but it’s interesting. [00:45:53]Sponsor: HelloFresh [00:45:53] [00:45:53]Brett: [00:45:53] Uh, Hey, uh, Christina, [00:45:57] Christina: [00:45:57] Uh, w what? Oh, wait, Brett, [00:46:00] is that you? Did you fix your internet? [00:46:02] Brett: [00:46:02] uh, well, not yet. I’m actually calling from the future. [00:46:06] Christina: [00:46:06] Oh, fuck. Is this going to like, mess up the timeline or like, create like one of those alternate events or branch or some shit like. [00:46:15] Brett: [00:46:15] Oh, it’s totally going to get weird. Let’s hope for the best. Uh, how’s the podcast. [00:46:21] Christina: [00:46:21] Okay, so it’s going great. We’re actually having an amazing time. I would mind if like, you know, you left forever. Well, not forever, but no, we’re actually having a great time without you. [00:46:31] Brett: [00:46:31] Yeah, I figured, um, I can’t, maybe it was a mistake to set up this play date. I might lose my podcast, but anyway, [00:46:40] Christina: [00:46:40] You’re not going to lose your pockets. I’m kidding. I don’t actually want you to go on forever because that would suck, but we’re having an actually an excellent time. And it is, it is fun to talk with someone else who gets things. [00:46:50] Brett: [00:46:50] But you’re not, you’re not like ruining it though. It’s not like laser focused on two thousands pop culture or anything. Is it? [00:46:56] Christina: [00:46:56] Um, well, Yeah [00:47:00] about that. I’m not going to say that it’s not like the time that we had the people from the museum and the Tonya Harding people over. It’s not like that. It’s actually good. It we’re having so much fun, but yeah. [00:47:15]Brett: [00:47:15] I guess we’ll find out if that’s what people tune in for. [00:47:18] Christina: [00:47:18] Okay. People fucking love this, and I hope that you’re having a good reason for interrupting. [00:47:22] Brett: [00:47:22] Oh yeah. Well, we actually have a sponsor that wasn’t added until after you guys were done. So to save me some editing, I figured I’d just warp time and get it into the recording from the get-go. [00:47:35] Christina: [00:47:35] Okay. So who’s the sponsor who is so important that you’re interrupting us in a different time. [00:47:41] Brett: [00:47:41] I’m glad you asked. 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[00:49:30] Like I get, uh, the, the veggie plan for like vegan meals. Uh, there’s a great selection at green chef. I love them for that. Um, and I love switching between the two to find the perfect meals every week. And now our listeners can enjoy both brands, right discount. Just go to hello, fresh.com/over tired 14. And use the code over-tired 14 for up to 14 free meals plus free shipping. [00:49:57] There’s a reason. HelloFresh is America’s number [00:50:00] one meal kit. Find out why and get up to 14 free meals with free shipping. That’s hellofresh.com/overtired 14. And use the code over-tired 14. I’m sorry for the interruption, but I feel like that was. [00:50:17] Christina: [00:50:17] I think it was worth it. I liked that. I like that you’re able to get healthy food and good meal kits. All right. If we had to create a nexus event, I guess. So it was worth it. [00:50:27] Brett: [00:50:27] All right, we’ll get back to it. [00:50:29]Christina: [00:50:29] So what are, what are you doing right now? Like, are you playing any games? Are you watching any shows? Are you listening to anything like, other than the trash to be, we’ve talked about? Is there anything that you’ve been obsessing over or really enjoying, like. [00:50:42] Ashley: [00:50:42] I well, okay. So I like for anybody listening, who doesn’t know me, I have a, I have a, almost two year old. His birthday is next week. His [00:50:49] Christina: [00:50:49] Oh, my gosh. Happy birthday. [00:50:51] Ashley: [00:50:51] I cannot believe somebody told me when I was pregnant. They’re like the best of at my baby shower. Like the best advice I can give you is, or the best thing I can tell you is the days [00:51:00] are long, but the years are short and holy shit, I’ve never heard a truer thing with kids. [00:51:04] Like some days are very long, but then, but then I feel like the last two years just went by in a blink. Like, I mean, it just it’s, it has been very wild. How fast? Uh, so now I have a small boy who seems to have kidnapped my baby. Um, he’s so cute. His name’s Wolfie. we named him Wolfgang and, um, and he, so he’s like, you know, a lot of my day, uh, when I’m not working. [00:51:30] And so he is, um, he’s just really cool. He’s like into catamari he loves the, we have the vinyl soundtrack and he calls it. Not because it’s good. Non [00:51:38] Christina: [00:51:38] Um, [00:51:39] Ashley: [00:51:39] no. So he loves catamari um, so much so that my brother’s 3d printing him a little catamari prince, [00:51:46] Christina: [00:51:46] I love this. That’s so good. So I’m going to be asking your advice. At some point, my sister just had a baby, a little boy, and so I am now an aunt and, um, I’m going to be the best aunt ever. Um, he already, like, he was [00:52:00] six days old and I got him a Mario one Z and he, and he was a guest on twit at eight days old. [00:52:07] Uh, and, um, um, he’s, I’ve been playing all good music for him. I’ve spent about three weeks with him. Um, and, uh, I, I miss him already. He’s getting so big. So I knew. [00:52:18] Ashley: [00:52:18] I it’s, it goes so fast. It’s crazy. You’re going to see him like in a, in like a week and he’s just going to like double in size. [00:52:23] Christina: [00:52:23] no, w w that’s the thing, the photos, my sister sends me it cause she’s, uh, 2200 miles away. I like it. You know, I’m like, oh my God, he’s so big, but I want to like see him more, but I’m going to be asking you for advice on like what the cool things are for little boys, because I don’t know. [00:52:39] Ashley: [00:52:39] I got the Rex. I got the rep. We, um, we, we have, he’s just like, he’s just fun. Like he, he likes, um, right now he’s like really a no 101 Dalmatians. Like he loves the original animated, like movies, like Dalmatians, Dalmatians. And then, um, whenever Corolla comes on the screen and he’s like, no pups, Cruella, no pups. [00:52:58] He like tells her she can’t have the [00:53:00] puppy. It’s like very cute. [00:53:01] Christina: [00:53:01] I love that is Disney plus, is it like a godsend for you that you don’t have to deal with the vault anymore? Like you have all [00:53:08] Ashley: [00:53:08] more vault. Uh, we have all the movies. [00:53:10] and, um, I just like when I was a kid, my mom, big Disney kid, like she still is to this day. She wanted to go for her 50, whatever birthday to Disneyland this year. So we, we went a couple of weeks ago and, um, and so, yeah, she, so we grew up like just hard mainline and Disney, like all the time. [00:53:29] So I too am a Disney kid. Um, and, uh, and then now my son will be a Disney kid, which is fine. Like I, you know, I know they’re big faceless corporation, but also, but also, um, again, respect The hustle and, and I like and I like what they make. So I like the stuff. Yeah, I, like the stuff [00:53:46] Christina: [00:53:46] yeah, I like this stuff too. Um, I got, um, him, um, uh, w I love Winnie the Pooh and, and so does my husband. And so I got him a little, a little poo that is in his nursery and a little, um, Winnie the Pooh, a onesy, um, with like the little [00:54:00] hat. Um, and, uh, I got like a, there was like a five-pack of toy story once I bought so many clothes, uh, for, she got [00:54:08] Ashley: [00:54:08] will burn through them [00:54:09] Christina: [00:54:09] Oh, I know. I know. Totally. Uh, he already has Jordan’s, um, that he, that he will grow into, like, he’s obviously way too small for them now. It’ll be like a year before he can wear them, but, uh, [00:54:21] Ashley: [00:54:21] Well, he doesn’t need them until he can walk. He won’t need, he doesn’t need like shoe shoes. [00:54:24] Christina: [00:54:24] Right. No, exactly. But it’s the athletics? Uh, my, my other friend, Ashley, her daughter is, I guess, nine months old, 10, 10, maybe now, um, Marlo, uh, ashes, a huge sneaker head. And so for her baby shower, rather than getting her, any of the things that were on the shower, like I got like, uh, uh, like baby Jordans, um, that she’s just now been able to wear the first pair. [00:54:50] Um, and some other ones she will have and it’s, uh, I was like, yep. We’re, we’re starting the next generation off [00:54:56] Ashley: [00:54:56] Yes. Yeah. You gotta start literally off. on the Right. foot. [00:55:00] I mean, legitimately on the right foot. Um, But yeah, we’re, we’re just hanging out and, uh, and we’re, we’re my husband and I were watching. I mean, obviously we’re watching Loki, um, and then I’m watching, uh, I start watching physical with rose Byrne. [00:55:12] Christina: [00:55:12] Yes. I really liked that on an apple [00:55:14] Ashley: [00:55:14] it’s amazing. Is a hard watch, um, is a hard wise, not for lack of a better term. it is. [00:55:21] not bingeable. Uh, and especially if you know somebody or have dealt with yourself with disordered eating, do not watch that show is extremely tricolor triggering. Um, I was thinking about a friend of mine. I was like, this show is not for you had a text or am I don’t watch? [00:55:37] Because she was like, oh, she loves rose Byrne. [00:55:39] Christina: [00:55:39] I [00:55:39] Ashley: [00:55:39] And I was like, don’t, don’t watch the show. [00:55:42] Christina: [00:55:42] yeah. I would agree with that. It is, but it’s a lot, but it’s also like, there’s, there’s, there’s a comedy element to it too. I think like it’s it’s I [00:55:50] Ashley: [00:55:50] It’s a woman on the brink, like coming apart at this it’s I keep calling it the anti Fleabag. Like that’s like the best way I can describe it. It’s sort of like, [00:55:58] Christina: [00:55:58] actually, I think that’s really [00:56:00] good way of describing it. [00:56:01] Ashley: [00:56:01] it’s very reminiscent of Fleabag, but It’s like, the negative version, like as if, if Fleabag were a portrait, physical would be the negative of [00:56:11] Christina: [00:56:11] Yeah. I like that. The negative that I agree with that. [00:56:14] Ashley: [00:56:14] Um, but it’s, it’s very good. And I mean, we love mythic quest. Like we, we love it. It is, I have to say mythic quest for me has been one of the most surprising, um, shows that. [00:56:28] I have seen. And I, my brother works at blizzard and my husband works at Activision blizzard as well. Um, and I spend a lot of time hanging out with people in the game industry and that show. [00:56:41] It’s it’s made with, um, Ubisoft. So they, they are, they consult on it and, um, and they, uh, but it’s, it’s a game dev studio and it’s Rob McElhinney, um, [00:56:53] Christina: [00:56:53] From always [00:56:54] Ashley: [00:56:54] director From always sunny. [00:56:56] and, uh, David Hornsby who plays cricket on that, on [00:57:00] it’s always sunny is on that show. He’s he’s uh, he’s one of the producers or, um, God, I forget his, I think he’s like the executive producer on it in the game or whatever. [00:57:09] And, um, and so it’s really good and it’s it’s, but it also has been it’s so funny and so good, but then also they have had episodes where they have been so poignant and just lovely. Like there have just been some really lovely moments and excellent representation. Like it’s just very good. [00:57:27] Christina: [00:57:27] I haven’t seen it, but I wanted to, and, uh, there was one of the, because there’s just so much content, uh, [00:57:33] Ashley: [00:57:33] a pleasant surprise, Christina, like highly recommend. [00:57:36] Christina: [00:57:36] Okay. I was looking forward to that because, um, I loved always sunny and I liked the concept, but if you’re saying that they actually consulted with Ubisoft and the fact that, that [00:57:46] Ashley: [00:57:46] It is, it [00:57:47] Christina: [00:57:47] husband, your brother, like. [00:57:49] Ashley: [00:57:49] uh, accurate depiction [00:57:50] Christina: [00:57:50] Okay, good. [00:57:51] Ashley: [00:57:51] functions. [00:57:53] Christina: [00:57:53] which I think is great. And I mean, you know, because Silicon valley obviously was, that was also pretty accurate, but it had [00:58:00] certain things that were, you know, um, heightened and whatnot. [00:58:03] Ashley: [00:58:03] Yeah. It’s the same. It’s [00:58:04] Christina: [00:58:04] Yeah. Which, which I like, and I think we’ve needed this. I mean, you’re somebody who’s covered games and obviously, you know, uh, is very close to people who work for studios and whatnot. [00:58:13] Um, but there’ve been so many, it’s interesting that, to my knowledge, I think this is like one of the first shows we’ve seen, uh, there’ve been shows where it gets, people have worked as game creators with, but even then [00:58:26] Ashley: [00:58:26] game. Like Jesse Cox and Michelle Morrow show. Good game that was on YouTube pre YouTube bread. Like that was a thing they did, but it was like really kind of centered around like e-sports. [00:58:35] Christina: [00:58:35] right. [00:58:36] Ashley: [00:58:36] Casting. [00:58:37] Christina: [00:58:37] Yeah. And like, usually it would be used as almost like, um, a character trait, like, oh, he’s the quirky person. And he’s a, he works on video games and, and it, you know, which, which doesn’t really cover, like what it, what it really is like. Um, and it’s, it’s interesting. [00:58:53] Ashley: [00:58:53] you know, the episode of it’s always sunny where the belt were Mac dances in the ballot. Like it’s like very, um, [00:59:00] powerful. I forget the name of that episode and I, I hate myself for forgetting it, but, um, that episode is very similar to like the Heights that mythic quest hits. Like they’ve really. [00:59:13] Hit some emotional beats that are like incredibly powerful and it is so surprising. And, and, um, like I said, it’s just, it’s such a pleasant surprise. That show is such a pleasant surprise to me. Um, we love it. It’s it’s so good and funny. And like there’s so many, like just the characters in the show are so well-defined, um, and the writing is really good. [00:59:34] Like their, their writing staff is excellent. Um, and, uh, and they’re, I mean, they did, they did a pandemic episode. I would argue the only, uh, creative episode of television that really nailed, uh, how everybody was collectively feeling in the height of the pandemic. They released it, I think last July. And, um, man, it was, it was very good. [00:59:57] Very, very good. Made me cry. Like openly [01:00:00] weep. I was at the end. I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is way more powerful than I thought it would be. It really kind of struck me right in the heart. And uh, they have those moments like that and it’s just, it’s really, um, it’s really good. It’s really, really, I can’t recommend it enough. [01:00:13] It’s great. [01:00:14] Christina: [01:00:14] Okay. I’m going at the, as soon as I have some downtime [01:00:18] Ashley: [01:00:18] I can’t wait to hear about, I can’t wait to hear what you think. I’m, I’m very excited for you to watch. it. [01:00:22] Christina: [01:00:22] Yeah. I’m, I’m actually not really excited to watch it too. Um, this was months ago now, and I think that you did get a computer, but you were able to get a gaming PC at this point, right? Hopefully [01:00:32] Ashley: [01:00:32] I built [01:00:33] Christina: [01:00:33] you built one. Yeah. I was gonna say you were able to build it. [01:00:35] Um, and you were able to get a graphics card. [01:00:37] Ashley: [01:00:37] Yes. [01:00:39] Christina: [01:00:39] Hell yeah. [01:00:40] Ashley: [01:00:40] It was, that was a journey for sure. I almost bought it because it was right when the new IMAX got announced and I was like, well, maybe I’ll do that. And then just by a stroke of insane luck, a friend got very lucky and was like, do you want to buy this extra one that I have? I was like, [01:00:59] Christina: [01:00:59] you’re like? Yes, [01:01:00] absolutely. What car did you get? [01:01:01] Ashley: [01:01:01] I have the EGA. [01:01:03] G-Force RTX 30, 80. It’s the one that is the, um, for the win edition. So it’s got the RGB on it and stuff. [01:01:10] Christina: [01:01:10] Nice. Yeah, I have the gigabyte, um, uh, uh, vision 30, 80. So it’s the white one, uh, which fits the whole white, well, I was super lucky. It was this thing, like the end of January, like I had to get a stupid power supply with it, but, um, I basically got it, you know, for, for MSRP essentially. Uh, it was, I got so lucky. [01:01:31] It was weird. I was also able to get. Um, uh, gaming, OSI one at the same time, because I just happened to hit it. Right. This was before Newegg did the, uh, the raffles and, and for whatever happened, like they were tweeting links like in the afternoon or something, and I just happened to get it. And first I bought one card and then I was able to buy the card I really wanted. [01:01:53] And so I had this extra card and, um, I could have sold it for, you know, [01:02:00] an insane amount of money, but I sold it, uh, for cost. Cause I don’t really want to, I don’t believe it’s got, yeah. So 2, [01:02:07] Ashley: [01:02:07] want that karma. You don’t want that scalper karma to come back and get ya. [01:02:09] Christina: [01:02:09] Yeah. So a friend of mine who works on windows terminal, her boyfriend had been looking for a card and it’s funny because she was texting me recently. [01:02:16] She was like, we’re so thankful that we got that, you know, like in February, because we had no idea. I had no idea, like, oh, I’m so glad you were able to get one. Cause that was my concern for you. And we were like talking about recommending that I was like, love to build it up. Like, I don’t know if you can, I don’t know if you can get the parts, like, you know, it’s, it’s, uh, it’s stupid. [01:02:36] How that still is, uh, [01:02:40] Ashley: [01:02:40] I mean, the chip shortage is real bad to real bad. [01:02:43] Christina: [01:02:43] It is real bad. [01:02:44] Ashley: [01:02:44] It’s rough. It’s really rough. I’m trying, I’ve been trying to get a score, a PS five for my, um, for my best friend. And he, I really want him to get one, so he could play return, like, like alongside me, I’m dying to talk to him about it. And he does, he does want to hear any spoilers and I’m just like, oh, please. [01:02:59] Like I got to [01:03:00] get you a PlayStation. So I’m actually like trying, I have like PS five stock alerts. I’m like, I have one, I don’t need it. [01:03:05] Christina: [01:03:05] I know. Okay. Okay. I have one too, but I will. [01:03:08] Ashley: [01:03:08] for my friends. [01:03:09] Christina: [01:03:09] Okay. I will, I will do my best if he’s depending on, on, if he’s open to like a non-insane bundle. Probably have some luck in doing this. We’ll talk offline, but, but I will, I will. Now, now that I know I’ve been remarkably lucky, no promises of course, but it helps when multiple people are in on it for you. [01:03:27] So like, all right. So that’s the goal. Get, get Ashley, another PS five. So her friend can play eternal with [01:03:32] Ashley: [01:03:32] His birthday is coming. His birthday is coming in July and I’m just like, man, I would just love for you to have a peaceful life. [01:03:38] Christina: [01:03:38] I know that’d be so good. [01:03:39] Ashley: [01:03:39] I might see I’m a good friend billionaires of the world. [01:03:43] Christina: [01:03:43] yeah, I was gonna say like, [01:03:45] Ashley: [01:03:45] you get a PlayStation five. [01:03:49] Christina: [01:03:49] oh, [01:03:51] Ashley: [01:03:51] These are the things I can do for you as your friends. [01:03:53] Christina: [01:03:53] yeah, yeah. I mean, I can also put this. I can help you get a graphics card and he’ll be good. [01:04:00] uh, I can’t help you get shoes because I won’t pay for bots, although I’ve considered it, but I can tell you what they look nice, but billionaires bridge people will totally be your hangers on like we’ll, [01:04:10] Ashley: [01:04:10] be your ears on. So I fine. [01:04:12] Christina: [01:04:12] Well, totally like tell you every to talk. We’ll be the ones that just be the venting boards. Also the ones that tell you, like, when maybe you want to like, not post that on [01:04:21] Ashley: [01:04:21] Dial it back. Yeah. Maybe just take it, take it back a [01:04:24] Christina: [01:04:24] Delete the tweet. Yeah. Yeah. [01:04:26] Ashley: [01:04:26] That’s a good, that’s a good plan. [01:04:28] Christina: [01:04:28] Um, okay. Well, we are, we’re coming up on time and I don’t want to keep you because you have a life and a child and a job, which is why it’s so amazing that you join me. [01:04:39] And this was so fun. Um, I w I wish that like, okay, this is going to be weird. And I’m putting this podcast Brett, and you can edit this out or not, but I would love to like, talk to you more, like, even like, not on podcast things, [01:04:53] Ashley: [01:04:53] No, let’s yeah, but I’ve been thought why we’ve been following each other on Twitter for literally we’re like twin sons. We’ve been [01:05:00] like twin. We are literally like twin sons. We orbiting each other for a million years and we’ve never really chit chat. [01:05:05] Christina: [01:05:05] I know, I know, we’ve been on like podcasts a few times together, but it’s, and every time I’m always like, okay, so, [01:05:11] Ashley: [01:05:11] Yeah. I’m always like good. Christina is so, cool. Like I should hang out with Christina. [01:05:16] Christina: [01:05:16] this is how I feel, so, okay. Friend, friendship. You, my friends like now we’re we’re [01:05:21] This was kismet. It was meant to be, and now we’ve forged a bond cemented in two thousands pop culture that can never be broken.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00]Christina: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra Brett, how are you doing [00:00:07] Brett: [00:00:07] I am good. How are you? [00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] good. I am a little tired. So I’m recording this at 6:42 AM my time, which is early. But that’s okay. I’m actually glad we’re doing it at this time because I have like meeting pocalypse today. So I have a brief break from 10:00 AM to 11:00 AM. But other than that, I’m basically booked from the time we do this podcast until 5:00 PM. [00:00:37] Brett: [00:00:37] Yeah, I have meetings basically from I’ll have a half an hour after we end this podcast, unless we go over and then I’m, I have a block of about, it’s only about two and a half hours of meetings, but. [00:00:50]Christina: [00:00:50] Yeah, no. So I’m just going to, I can’t read what they’re for although it’s cool stuff. So I have my therapist at 8:00 AM. Then I have a meeting from 905 to nine [00:01:00] 30. Then I have an hour and a half break. Then I have 11 to 1140, then 1145 to 1220, then 1230 to one 10, then two to two 30, then 3 0 5 to 3 45, then four o’clock to four 40. [00:01:15] Brett: [00:01:15] schedules, a meeting from 3 0 5 to 3 45. [00:01:20]Christina: [00:01:20] They’re doing this thing now and it’s actually a pretty good idea. I’m sure that you will see people probably attempt this. Now that you’re in corporate life too, but there’s apparently with some research done that if you start meetings five minutes later, then that’s better for people or something. I don’t know, dude, I don’t, I’m not the management consultant person. I don’t get paid the money to tell the people how to do this stuff. I don’t care. But apparently because you always wait five minutes for people to get on the meetings anyway, starting them at 3 0 5, starting with the five minute mark that gives people a break between meetings. [00:01:52] I don’t know. I’m not even, I don’t know, but anyway that’s my meetings. I also just got back [00:02:00] from orange county because I was with my friend Juliette for five days, which was awesome. I got home at 10 30 last night, anyway. [00:02:07] Brett: [00:02:07] So I want to come back to the scheduling conversation in a minute, cause I have a cool app to tell you about. But first I want to tell you that I had a physical this week and I’m not dying. Like I was super nervous going into it because my blood pressure has long been an issue. And. It has been it has been mentioned that if I don’t fix my blood pressure, they’ll take away my stimulant medication. [00:02:35]And we know what happens when that happens. So I was very fearful. I went in my blood pressure was like one 20 over 84 which is fine. I don’t know anything about blood pressure, [00:02:47] Christina: [00:02:47] I don’t either. Except my low. [00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] but they had no problem with it. It didn’t even come up and everything I’m not, I’m a little overweight, but other than that, I’m seeing a nutritionist next week [00:03:00] voluntarily. [00:03:01]Not because I’m diabetic or anything yet. But yeah, I’m feeling a great sense of relief after passing a physical. [00:03:09]Christina: [00:03:09] Nice. Very happy for you. That’s awesome. I’m glad that you’re not dying. I’m a little overweight you can deal with. If they’re happy with the blood pressure. That’s good. Cause you don’t want to like, like you said, you don’t want to get rid of those [00:03:22]Brett: [00:03:22] Stem Sims. Yeah, no, I really don’t. [00:03:25] Christina: [00:03:25] She says as she’s like yawning waiting for her stimulants to kick in me, they always, okay. [00:03:33] So they’ve never liked threatened to take them away. But they’re vocationally been like Rondo ass doctors who I feel like just graduated from college who were like, your heart, rate’s a little fast. I’m like, Yeah. [00:03:46] They’re like it, you should look at that. I’m like, yeah I’ve been on stimulants for 17 years. [00:03:53] Yeah. Duh, I’m like, is it too fast? We’ll know. And the one time it was too fast. [00:04:00] And by that, it was resting. It was like 150 or 160 [00:04:04] Brett: [00:04:04] Christ. Are you serious? [00:04:06]Christina: [00:04:06] I’m dead serious? [00:04:07]I went in for a heart thing and I wore a heart monitor for a few weeks and they monitored it. Yeah, that was, but that had nothing to do with this stimulus. [00:04:15] I wasn’t even taking the stimulants when that happened specifically, because I was like, I hadn’t even taken them that morning. And it was like that much. And I was afraid I was going to have a heart attack. At that point because my resting heart rate was that. So it’s that has nothing to do with the stimulants. [00:04:32]I did also have one time where it was resting. It was like one 40 or 1 45. And I was taking some of those that was bad too. That was more consistent. And I like with Kartra walk upstairs and it turned out I was in an issue. I was having like an instance of thyroid storm. It was a bizarre, like one-off type of thing anyway. [00:04:49] [00:04:49] Brett: [00:04:49] That like my I don’t think my heart rate is ever been that high. That sounds crazy high to me. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] oh no, it’s, it is crazy high. I mean That one, the [00:05:00] time when I couldn’t like, when I was winded walking upstairs and I was like, why is this happening? This was about 15 years ago. And it was at my gynecologist who figured it out, which pissed me off because no. Hear me out. So she was great that she figured that out because she was like, okay, Something’s not right. [00:05:18] She was like, your heart rate is really high and I’m concerned. And she was in the exact same office as my endocrinologist, who I had just seen and who they hadn’t really been taking me seriously, that something was wrong with like my endocrine system. And I went in and they were being shitty when we cause it, it was like four o’clock in the afternoon. [00:05:41] And we just walked into their office. We’re like, Hey, I just had, like a gyno thing. And she said that I need to come see you because my heart rate is like ridiculous. And they were like dismissive of it. And then they did the test and then it was weird. You could see them freaking out. [00:05:59]I was very [00:06:00] exposed. I was like, in the middle of the office. And they were just like ripping my shirt off and like attaching all these nodes to my skin to test my heart rate and to give me like an EKG or whatever. [00:06:08] Brett: [00:06:08] That would be terrifying. I’m [00:06:10] Christina: [00:06:10] it was good. [00:06:11] Brett: [00:06:11] you. [00:06:12] Christina: [00:06:12] Yeah. I was, and I was like 23 years old, 22 years old. [00:06:15] It was not fun. But Yeah. The, when it happened two years ago, when it was that it was a limited thing and I wasn’t even stressing, but it got out of the shower and my apple watch was the thing that notified me that my heart rate was excessively high. [00:06:30] Brett: [00:06:30] Yeah. That’s [00:06:31] Christina: [00:06:31] So it is handy. [00:06:33] So you’re not dying. You just need a little lose, a little weight. [00:06:37]You have good health insurance now. Like you had good health insurance before, but now you have like corporate health insurance. [00:06:43] Brett: [00:06:43] I’ve got rich people, good health insurance instead of poor people, good health insurance. It’s not as good, like this HSA, thing’s going to kill me the first couple of months of filling my meds. It’s going to cost me over a thousand bucks a month for the meds. [00:06:57] Christina: [00:06:57] Yeah. But then you’re going to bid the get, but then you fit your [00:07:00] deductible and you’re good for the rest of the [00:07:01] Brett: [00:07:01] yeah. And I’ll pay all of that out of the HSA account. So it’s all fine. Except I think we talked about this last week because I have $6,000 in like a flex spending account, but I don’t, I didn’t ever get a card for that account, so I don’t have access to that money and I’m still waiting still out. [00:07:24] It’s all going to be fine. Anyway. [00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] Fine. I will tell you this, unless you’re going to spend that $6,000, do not get a flex spending account when you redo your stuff in November. Because I think that they made an exception for this year for some of the stuff, but usually it is a use it or lose it thing. [00:07:45] Brett: [00:07:45] Oh, no. This specifically carries over in full [00:07:48] Christina: [00:07:48] Okay. Okay. But there are for FSAs, there are limitations on what you can use stuff for. So be careful with that, like medications and things like that are fine. Like contact lenses, [00:08:00] [00:07:59] Brett: [00:07:59] dentistry. The reason that I put six grand into it is because, so I’m getting four teeth pulled out and we’re act we’re taking next week off. And then again in July, we’ll be taking a week off because I’m having. A large number of teeth removed from my mouth and the plan when I was on poor people, insurance was to get fitted for partials, which are false teeth which like I was not emotionally prepared for. [00:08:26] But now that I have dental coverage with major dental and a $6,000 spending account, I am hoping to get implants instead, which will be for me so much more emotionally, easy to have [00:08:44] Christina: [00:08:44] yeah, I know implants are going to be so much better than whatever the partials which I’m guessing. Is that like a thing that you would wear, like you would put it underneath, like you’re like a retainer thing. [00:08:56]Brett: [00:08:56] It like clips in or around your gum [00:08:58] Christina: [00:08:58] that’s what I, that’s what I meant. Okay. [00:09:00] That’s what I was. [00:09:00] That’s what I was trying to describe it. I obviously didn’t understand it correctly. So yeah. So that would be way better. So yeah. So with the implant, which is the, yeah, it was just the rich people version of the same thing, but it looks better and we’ll make you feel significantly better as you should. [00:09:14] Brett: [00:09:14] Yeah. I just I have all these memories of my grandparents taking their teeth out at night and like putting them in like the fizzy water. [00:09:22] Christina: [00:09:22] Yeah, me too. Me too. [00:09:24] Brett: [00:09:24] not ready for that. [00:09:25] Christina: [00:09:25] No, I agree. I agree. No, especially since now, you don’t have to, which is there are like a lot of pluses to being on your own and Indy and paying for your own like premiums and all that. [00:09:37] And then there’s a lot of pluses of selling out [00:09:39]Brett: [00:09:39] Yeah. I have [00:09:41]Christina: [00:09:41] And you shouldn’t because yeah. [00:09:44] Brett: [00:09:44] Okay. Oh, and man, my job is going to crate. Like I’m busy now. Like for the first couple of weeks I felt oh, this is maybe too easy. But now I’m busy. I got lots of stuff on my plate, but it’s all stuff. That’s exciting. Everything from, Jupiter notebooks to [00:10:00] setting up Jekyll and get hub repos and building style guides. [00:10:04] And this is fun stuff. I’m having a blessed, good times. [00:10:08] Christina: [00:10:08] I’m very happy. I wanted to ask for an update. Have you gotten to Jupiter notebooks? [00:10:12] Brett: [00:10:12] I spent yesterday trying to, they have this platform called Terraform for like scripting installs. [00:10:22] Christina: [00:10:22] Yes, No, I was going to say you would like Ansible and Terraform a lot. It Terraform for the listeners is its own language kind of Syntex, for being able to script various like dev ops sorts of things for installing applications, setting things up the idea being instead of having to learn. [00:10:40] Like every single command maybe that you would use for whatever platform you’re on, you can use Terraform scripts that has its kind of own language. Hashi Corp is the one who makes it and they actually just hit version one dot O which the naming is more for going forward then [00:11:00] like it’s hit some big milestones. [00:11:01] If you’re on like a.one, five or.one, five, two, like it’s fine. It’s basically the same thing, but they just hit one point. Oh, so congrats to them. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt you. Go [00:11:10] Brett: [00:11:10] No, that’s okay. I spent almost two hours getting all of the environment variables and everything figured out so I could find it. Run the Terraform script. And when it finally ran, it told me that it has no it can’t compile on an arm chip. So now I’m redoing the whole process in a cloud instance and it’s going to be fine. [00:11:37] I have my own container. I’ll run the whole thing there, but anyway, I have not gotten to the actual Jupiter notebook part yet. [00:11:44] Christina: [00:11:44] Okay. You’ll get there. One thing I’m also going to give you as a tip and arm thing would still be an issue because they would need to update those scripts. And I’m sure that some people have done it, but for whatever you’re using, it’s not there yet. [00:11:55]Visual studio code has a feature where you can [00:12:00] you could use them on any service. [00:12:01] Like it’s obviously optimized for Azure, but you don’t have to use Azure. You can even use local containers or your own local server or whatever, but it has the ability for you to basically do local instances, like on your M one Mac where you could be accessing a dev container someplace else. So it would be like, Really good. [00:12:23]JetBrains I believe is working on a similar feature. They’re not quite there yet. But they are working on a similar feature. So if that’s what you’re you are using or people out there are using, you can for things like sublime text, this is where sublime text, unfortunately and congrats to them on their latest, 4.0 or whatever. [00:12:39] This is where they’re going to fall behind people like no butts. You, unfortunately, if they don’t have these sorts of tooling things where you can connect remotely, have a remote extension where you can connect to a container living someplace else, and then natively access all of your tooling and extensions locally, but you’re doing it on a box that’s in the cloud or on a remote server [00:13:00] or on another computer in your house. [00:13:03]I think that those things are gonna fall behind, but anyway it’s pretty cool. [00:13:06] Brett: [00:13:06] We’re also going to get back to complaining about sublime text in a little bit. [00:13:10] Christina: [00:13:10] Yes. Good classic overtired content. [00:13:12] Brett: [00:13:12] So here’s the scheduling thing I wanted to tell you about work related. So with the new exchange server that I have to use for calendaring, I can no longer use fantastic owl, which has long been my calendar choice on my Mac and my iPhone. Fantastical is a great app. I’m sorry to lose it, but I just, I can’t add my work calendar to it. [00:13:35] They don’t approve it as a platform. [00:13:37]Christina: [00:13:37] Okay. Real quick question for you. We’ll take this offline, but do you use office 365 as your, do you use exchange as your calendar system? [00:13:46] Brett: [00:13:46] It’s office 365 is the URL. [00:13:49] Christina: [00:13:49] Yes. And but then you get a notice from fantastic hell saying that the admin has to approve [00:13:54] Brett: [00:13:54] yes, exactly. [00:13:56] Christina: [00:13:56] All right, [00:13:57] We’re going to take this offline. It’s possible that [00:14:00] this won’t work, but I’m going to give you an endpoint to try, rather than the one that’s built into fantastical. If you use the version one end point, it’s possible that you might be able to get it to work because I was able to, I worked with Michael and Keith and some of the other people at fantastic Cal for months and was able to find a work around for my calendar. [00:14:19] So I will send you that in point no promises, because I don’t know how Oracle system works. And it’s possible that the permissions that you have set wouldn’t even work on the V1 API, but it’ll give you something to try just to see if you can. But, [00:14:31] Brett: [00:14:31] And then you can fix my VPN, but in the meantime, [00:14:34] Christina: [00:14:34] but in the meantime, tell me about this other calendar nap, because I would love to know about this. [00:14:38] Brett: [00:14:38] So the thing that aside from all the natural language event creation and fantastical, which is like its best feature I really liked having a calendar in my menu bar that I could just drop down and see my agenda, see a quick view of the month. And and I couldn’t find a good way to do that. That just [00:15:00] used calendar, which is easy to set up with the exchange account or the office 365. [00:15:05] So then I found this app called data or data. It’s D a T O I’m going to go with, I’m going to go a data. [00:15:14] Christina: [00:15:14] Yeah. I was going to say data was how I would say it, but I could see either way. Yeah. [00:15:18] Brett: [00:15:18] and it puts, it gives you the little calendar icon with the current day in your menu bar, you drop it down. It has all of your meetings for the next two days for today and tomorrow. It has like color coding for which calendar it’s on. It’s got the mini view of the month with all, with up to three dots per day, which is useless when you have 20 meetings a day. [00:15:40] But and you can hover over any meeting in the list. And with one click join a zoom call and it can put maybe 300 pixel wide text description of the next upcoming meeting in your menu bar. And you can just click that to join like a zoom call. So it’ll [00:16:00] say sync up with your boss and in 25 minutes. [00:16:03] And then when it gets down to one night, you just click it and it starts the zoom call. It’s perfect. For filling the gap that fantastic. How left forum? [00:16:12] Christina: [00:16:12] that’s awesome. Yeah. Cause fantastical has that same feature where it can it’ll recognize like Google meet or zoom or teams meetings and your menu board. That’s awesome. And so this one, and it works with your O 365 account. [00:16:23] Brett: [00:16:23] What, anything that I can set up through calendar [00:16:26] Christina: [00:16:26] Got it. Okay. [00:16:28] Brett: [00:16:28] it doesn’t have, it’s like basically you set up all your accounts through calendar and it just mirrors them. [00:16:33] Christina: [00:16:33] okay. And and I’m looking at this now, so this is the Mac app 6 99. All right. I’m going to try this out and see, cause I might pass this off to my coworkers cause I have some coworkers who would have a hard time getting the fantastical work around to work. Because well, and honestly it’s partially, some of it is partially on their stuff. [00:16:51] So this is from Cindra soar, hos who? Oh yeah. He, I was going to say his name sounded familiar. So he did the refined get hub [00:17:00] like browser extension. And he made an app called Lugo, which is similar to amphetamine to keep your Mac awake. So I knew I knew I recognized his name. [00:17:08] Brett: [00:17:08] long ago. Wasn’t it? [00:17:09] Christina: [00:17:09] Lingo. Yeah. Lingo. Yeah. [00:17:11] Yeah. So that’s that’s him. But he also, it was a leader of like refine get hub, which the hub team actually adopted some of his features officially into, get up so nice. [00:17:22] Brett: [00:17:22] Free tip. The other thing that I loved about fantastic, how was having a hot key to pop up my calendar? Day-to doesn’t have that, but if you use what bartender version four has a new feature where you can assign hot keys that will either left or right click any menu item in your menu bar, even if they’re not shown in the current menu bar which means you can basically have a hot key that left clicks your calendar and pops open the screen for you. [00:17:52] Christina: [00:17:52] brilliant. [00:17:54] Brett: [00:17:54] Yeah. I’m adding bartender to our show notes cause everyone should use bartender. [00:17:58] Christina: [00:17:58] should use it. And it’s also its own [00:18:00] set up. So [00:18:01]Brett: [00:18:01] Yes. Dado is not on setup. We should talk to him about that. [00:18:05] Christina: [00:18:05] we should. Yeah. Cause I believe that. [00:18:06] Longo is [00:18:08] Brett: [00:18:08] Yeah is at least one of those caffeination apps on set up. I can’t remember which one I’m using. [00:18:15]Christina: [00:18:15] I’m opening it now, which is great radio for all of us and it just installed the newest version. It’s taking a second, but yeah. I’m pretty sure that one is on setup. But if not $7 for for this, I’m going to buy it and try it out and see how it works, because I might be able to give it to some of my colleagues yeah, Longo is on set up. [00:18:36] So hopefully he will consider putting data on it too. You should talk. You should talk to him about it. I don’t know him. I just [00:18:43] Brett: [00:18:43] I don’t either, but we’ll, we’re about to meet there’s this interesting like line and I think it’s true for both of us when. We’re a little bit tired. Our response times are pretty shitty. And then we forget a lot of words, but then we get [00:19:00] towards that over tired point. And like suddenly we, we have like less space between our sentences than, a listener would appreciate. [00:19:10] So you’re on that leg, just tired edge. And we either, we want to get you either to hopped up on speed or get [00:19:19] Christina: [00:19:19] it’s about to click in. No, I was going to say it’s about to kick in. Cause I’m definitely at that point right now where I’m like, oh yeah. Okay. I feel this. So we’re about to be about to not drop my words [00:19:31]Brett: [00:19:31] What’s awesome though, is we’ve talked about descript before, but with the script I can just pop in, like I’ll run these audio files through Auphonic multi-track and then pop them right into descript, hit, remove word gaps, and it’ll find every pause greater than X number of seconds and just pull it out. [00:19:51] It’s like it’s one, one click. I love it so much. And when I do interviews on systematic, if someone needs an edit, if they’re like, Hey, wait, [00:20:00] can I do that again? I just say the words edit here. And then when descript loads up the transcript, I just search the text for the words, edit here and then select the text that shouldn’t be in the final recording hit, delete, and my files edit. [00:20:15] It is the greatest podcasting tool I could possibly name. [00:20:20] Christina: [00:20:20] that’s awesome. [00:20:22] Brett: [00:20:22] I’m going to add that to our show notes too. [00:20:24] Christina: [00:20:24] You should, because that’s like a, that’s one hell of a endorsement, to be honest. And there I go again. No, but that is actually one hell of an endorsement for you to say is the greatest podcasting tool you could ever think of. So well done. [00:20:36] Brett: [00:20:36] Yeah. So I’m going to, I’m going to skip down because I don’t know what thirst traps are and I want you to tell me what a thirst trap is. [00:20:44]Christina: [00:20:44] Okay. So a thirst trap is when you’re a woman and you take like a hot photo of yourself and you put it in Instagram. And part of it is. [00:20:52] because you feel like you look hot and you want to show it off. But another part of it is because you definitely are asking for people [00:21:00] to comment. [00:21:01] Brett: [00:21:01] Cool. I noticed you, I believe posted a swimsuit picture recently. [00:21:06]Christina: [00:21:06] I did. I posted a and I was a little, I was unsure. I posted some on Instagram story. Sometimes I’ve done that before, but I’ve never really posted one on main. And because I don’t know why, actually this is an interesting thing to have a conversation about. So I spent, okay, We didn’t have Instagram and Facebook and things like that in my early twenties, but then we started to, but I started working and became more of a public figure. [00:21:33] So not public, but like in the public eye and whatnot. And I felt like it was one of those things where I was like, all right, it’s inappropriate for me to act like everyone else, my age and post photos of myself on bathing students, because I have all these strangers who follow me on the internet and it’s related to my job and whatnot. [00:21:49] And I still struggle with that a little bit. Cause I’m like I’d like to share my life and to be able to do updates like anybody else, my age or even younger, even older or whatever. [00:22:00] But I feel like I can’t and I just finally, I was like, fuck it. And I was on the beach on a Sunday and I was like, fuck it. [00:22:09] I look good. And I posted a third time [00:22:13]Brett: [00:22:13] how’d it go. [00:22:14] Christina: [00:22:14] pretty well, less creepy DMS than I was expecting. There were some. And that I ha I had to block a few people, which is fine, but that’s always going to happen, but yeah, it was interesting. I did find out something horrifying. [00:22:29] Brett: [00:22:29] What’s that [00:22:30]Christina: [00:22:30] I don’t even want to mention this because now people are going to look it’s disgusting. I had nothing to do with it. So I want to be very clear on this. So apparently there is a Wiki that [00:22:40] people have compiled celebrities feet. [00:22:45]Brett: [00:22:45] yeah. [00:22:46]Christina: [00:22:46] Okay. Apparently some podcast was mentioning this and a friend of mine was making fun of me and he was like, oh, just wait until. Cause, cause I posted some photo of something and you see my feet or whatever. And he was like, oh Yeah. we just wait until that’ll be on some [00:23:00] sort of foot, fetish website. [00:23:01] And I deemed him. I was like, yeah, that’s never going to happen. I’m never putting my feet on a foot fetish website. And then he DMD me and he was like, I was joking with you, but I checked. And yeah, your photos are on there. [00:23:13] Brett: [00:23:13] Yeah. I don’t think people put their own feet on those websites. [00:23:17] Christina: [00:23:17] No, they I didn’t understand what he was saying. And I, so yeah, cause someone has taken the time to go through my Instagram posts over the years. There was even one where I was like on an airplane and I wasn’t even taking a photo of anything that you could see my toe in the shot. [00:23:36] Brett: [00:23:36] yeah. [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] Anyway, I was pretty creeped out, [00:23:38] Brett: [00:23:38] Is put fetish, like early a guy thing. I’ve never heard of anyone having a fetish for men’s feet. [00:23:44]Christina: [00:23:44] I’m sure that there are some people who do I don’t think it’s as common. [00:23:49] Brett: [00:23:49] Have great feet. And if anyone wants photos of my feet, for whatever purpose, I’m happy to share. I don’t feel like that’s too weird for like my [00:24:00] own personality. I’m [00:24:02] Christina: [00:24:02] Actually, I take that. Actually, I take that back. I know some dude who has sold photos of his feet online. Now I will say it was probably to other men. So I’m not sure like how that breakdown goes and look, I don’t want to kink shame. I’m sure there are women who there’s some women who get off on it too. [00:24:19] I’m not trying to kink shame. What I’m saying is I’m not super into the idea that someone has added me to this. Also, this is fine. I have two and a half out of five stars. I have. okay Feet. That’s actually probably if we’re being honest, more like kind than maybe it should be because I don’t have great feet. [00:24:42] I know I don’t, my toes overlap in a weird way. Like my middle toe overlaps over by my first and my, my, my second and my fourth toe. So it’s I’m, I can give the finger with my feet and. They’re not that attractive. I can be honest about that. I don’t care. I don’t get pedicures. They’re not like all Callister gross or [00:25:00] whatever, but they’re not great. [00:25:02]I don’t know. it. [00:25:02] was weird to find this, like some, there was one where I took a photo of some sort of weird burn I had, I didn’t even post this one. I don’t even think I had an Instagram. I think that I don’t even know where it came from to be completely honest with you. But I know the photo because I was like I’m positive. [00:25:17] I didn’t post this on Instagram. I might’ve posted it on Twitter or something and asked for some feedback on something. Cause I had some major rash or some major like thing and that was on there. So I’m like, I’m horrified if I’m being completely honest with you. So anyway, [00:25:34]Brett: [00:25:34] So with the the net positive result from your last thirst trap, are you going to continue doing this? [00:25:42]Christina: [00:25:42] I don’t know, maybe because I’m in this? [00:25:44] weird thing a common refrain on this show has been my utter refusal to age. And like me dealing with not wanting to age and whatnot. And there’s a part of me that’s pissed off that. It’s I’ve taken my body’s pretty banging right now. [00:25:55] And I’ve taken like my hottest years and I don’t have anything to show for it. So [00:26:00] maybe. [00:26:00]Brett: [00:26:00] Yeah. Yeah. Side note. So my girlfriend L she works at Yarra Knology, which we’ve discussed previously. And it’s like a fiber arts knitting store. And I guess that’s obvious from the name, but she is running their Instagram and in she’s a very detail oriented person who likes to fully understand things she gets into. [00:26:26] So I have learned a lot about Instagram, how Instagram works, how the algorithms work, how to like time your posts for maximum interaction. And like more than I ever wanted to actually know about Instagram, but it has been fascinating to watch her. Like she’s not a social media person per se, but you gave her the job of. [00:26:55] Of running social media and she’s going to [00:26:58] Christina: [00:26:58] got to figure it out. she’s going to tackle it. [00:27:00] Shit. I love that. She’s going to figure it out. She’s going to be like, yeah. I might not be somebody who, this is my natural kind of thing that I’m doing, but you’ve given me a task. You’ve given me a challenge, nettle, Megan, to do it. I’m going to kill it. [00:27:10] which is awesome. [00:27:11] Brett: [00:27:11] yeah. So I, we have two sponsors today and neither of them are actually, oh, I can do a segue here. I can do this. [00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Nice. [00:27:21] Brett: [00:27:21] Speaking of looking good. [00:27:24]Christina: [00:27:24] Awesome. [00:27:26]Brett: [00:27:26] W it, proper nutrition is a vital part of your health, both for your thirst trap appearance, and just for your everyday feeling good. And there’s no better way to fill nutrient gaps in your diet than with ritual protein. 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That’s ritual.com/overtired [00:31:15]Christina: [00:31:15] Fantastic. [00:31:16] Brett: [00:31:16] fan fucking tastic. Our other sponsor today is text expander and it’s a short read, but we’ll save it because text expanders are, we should have that. See, I could have segwayed into that while we were talking about apps. [00:31:33] Christina: [00:31:33] I was going to say, you could have segwayed into that. Also. You could talk about that with, yeah. there might’ve been another opportunity. We’ll find one though, because we’re actually, I want to talk to you about cable management, because I see on here that I see something that you broke something, and I want to know about this because we were talking, we were, we wanted to get into table two cable management last week. [00:31:50] We weren’t able to. So tell me about this cable management crisis or issues you have. [00:31:56] Brett: [00:31:56] So I posted a picture a couple of weeks ago [00:32:00] of my kitten having made a nest out of the pile of cables behind my desk. And she would just curl up in there, like actually like burrow into the bile. And I realized after that, that I really needed to get my cables under control. So I bought a bunch of like cable clips and a better and on an uninterruptible power supply for my office and and decided to take everything apart and put it back together. [00:32:28] And I watched a bunch of YouTube videos on like cable free desks and how to make everything pretty. And I feel like most of the people making those videos do not have as many things plugged in as I do. [00:32:43] Christina: [00:32:43] Did you not, they did not. Cause I’ve had the same problem. And my office is a total disaster right now and that’s going to be an ongoing summer project. But I, when I’m like at my desk at work, like at the office, when I could actually go into one, I often had that thing. Cause I would try to make my cables [00:33:00] look really nice. [00:33:00] And then I’m like, I have so many things plugged in. So go on. So talk to me about [00:33:05]Brett: [00:33:05] So at this point I have everything has the right length of cable. I bought some longer cables. I bought some shorter cables and where possible I, I ran cables under the table with clips and just had them come up where they needed to connect to things. There’s still like a lot of visible cables, but you can see each one individually and they’re easy to plug in and unplug. [00:33:30] And I’m satisfied. It’s not glorious. I’m not posting pictures. I’m not posting cable thirst, straps. But I’m satisfied. However, in the process, once I get everything plugged back in both of my stream decks, just stop working. Like immediately after plugging everything back in, they both stop working. [00:33:51] I have a mini and a regular and the mini won’t even boot. It just loads up the wallpaper and then flashes. And the regular [00:34:00] one loads up gets the right buttons and they work for about 45 seconds before they just, and I miss them, [00:34:09] Christina: [00:34:09] That’s frustrating. And what does support say? [00:34:11] Brett: [00:34:11] oh my God. So support they asked me to, unplug it, plug it into different ports, try all these things. And then they have this this package that takes all the debug info and sends it straight to El Gato for you. And I did all of this and I went through a ridiculous number of steps and. [00:34:31] They came back this week and they’re like we analyzed the reports and here’s what we need you to do. And they gave me the exact same list of things to do, and ask me questions that I had clearly in the, you can see my responses in the chain of this like support ticket. You can see that I’ve already answered, like what brand USB port is it plugged into and what type of computer and what version [00:35:00] of the stream, deck software, all of this. [00:35:02] And basically I snooze that email cause I I attempted to just give up on support at this point and find another alternative. But I feel like at least with the many, it clearly doesn’t boot, I’ve plugged it into three different machines. Like it never gets to buttons and it doesn’t show up in the stream deck software. [00:35:23] And that, to me, sounds like a replacement. [00:35:26] Christina: [00:35:26] I would agree with that. And I think that I’m bothered that. They’re just like telling you turn it off, turn it on again, plug it into other things. So yeah, I would yeah, if you can’t even get it to come on, then that does seem like that’s going to be something that they would need to replace. [00:35:40]Brett: [00:35:40] Yes. I agree. We’ll see what happens. I’m not going to just buy more of them. I would like some satisfaction from El Gato customer service. [00:35:52] Christina: [00:35:52] Yeah, no, I agree. And not for nothing, I’ve go I’ve spent like hundreds and hundreds of dollars on their stuff over the last year because they make all the [00:36:00] good streaming stuff. So I bought a stream deck XL. I have the Campbell’s 4k. I have the HD, like the S 60 plus or whatever it is. One of their, streaming capture devices or whatever. [00:36:13] I have a green screen, I have three key lights. I have a monopod, like I have all kinds of stuff from them. And I really hope they come through because if they don’t, then that is going to be really disappointing. Because I would like to spend more money with them because they’re not the cheapest at all. [00:36:32] They charge a premium the HD 60 S plus that’s the one I have and they’re yeah, it’s interesting. Cause they were a Mac company and they long ago, forgone that they sold Alvarado results of course air rather. But like we remember them back in the ITV days, right? [00:36:50]Like I used to know those guys because they were based in Europe and they’re really good people. And I know that they still have good people, but it’s obviously it’s a different, it’s a different sort of thing. And I get it, but [00:37:00] it’s a, it’s one of those things where I really hope they come through because it’s disappointing if they didn’t, if they don’t. [00:37:06] Brett: [00:37:06] Do you remember the H 2 64 encoder? [00:37:09] [00:37:09] Like it was like a dongle. You plugged [00:37:12] Christina: [00:37:12] I was a dongle. Yup. [00:37:14] Brett: [00:37:14] H 2 64 and coding back when computers were slow enough to need offloading of H 2 64 encoding. [00:37:22] Christina: [00:37:22] that was where they made their whole like thing was that they, so they had, they would buy these hell pouch and other like OEM kind of rebate. They would rebadge these other sort of encoder things or over the air TV things or whatever, but then they had Mac software and it would make it, they had a really nice interface and they were early into the Twitch game. [00:37:42] So when Twitch, so when Justin TV pivoted from being live streaming, like normal people stuff to video games, because that’s what everyone was doing. And they renamed themselves Twitch El Gato because of their software became like one of the bigger players in that. And then Twitch obviously blew [00:38:00] up and Amazon bought them for a billion dollars or whatever. [00:38:02] And it was just this weird thing. As an outsider, I would watch like more and more people use this like obscure, tiny company that like I used to have conversations with. But yes, I do remember the Aisha 2, 6, 4 coder. Cause I believe I had one. [00:38:14] Brett: [00:38:14] Yeah, me too. Yeah. Back in the two odd days when we were publishing video interviews and everything, I was encoding them with. I don’t remember what the name of the product was. Maybe it was something as ridiculous as H 2 64 encoder, but. [00:38:27] Christina: [00:38:27] Yeah. I can’t remember the name of it now, but yeah, but. [00:38:29] I remember using that too because had the two off and downloads squad days. Yeah. Because we needed that. Cause it was like, okay, my computer is not powerful enough to do this. I need to [00:38:39] Brett: [00:38:39] and we’re on the floor of Macworld and we [00:38:41] Christina: [00:38:41] We’re on the floor of Macworld exactly. It’s we literally have to get this up. [00:38:45] We’re on the floor. Our computers are not powerful enough. That, there weren’t software or hardware side encoders built into them yet. Yeah. So funny. It’s so funny how much that stuff has changed, but it’s also funny that even back then, like those devices weren’t that expensive. And [00:39:00] that was a really clever way of figuring out okay. [00:39:02] We can just offload, this sort of thing with it. [00:39:05] Brett: [00:39:05] so Macworld story. I w we were staying, I think, at the Mosser and it was like Mike Rose and Mike SRAM and Victor, and me, and maybe you were there. But I, so I had my own hotel room and. I had spent the evening holed up in my hotel room as I am wanting to do. And in the morning we were sitting in the lobby and I, Mike asked for something, I needed to show him something. [00:39:32] And I flipped open my computer for the first time since being alone in my hotel room. And it was like full screen porn. And I like real quick, I’m like command Q command Q and I tried to play it off. Like nothing happened. Mike was kind enough. He didn’t say a word, but there was, it was this it was definitely a weird moment for me. [00:39:50] I’ve never been so busted on that [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] Oh my God. It happens to everyone at some point we’ve all had, I’ve never had porn play, but I’ve [00:40:00] definitely had like photos that I took or other things like that people have accidentally seen. And that’s definitely one of those. Yeah. [00:40:08] We’ve all had those moments and I’ve definitely seen people accidentally pull up their porn. [00:40:12] So the good thing is [00:40:14] Brett: [00:40:14] Post this screenshot where you can see the tabs in the background of the browser. Yeah. [00:40:19] Christina: [00:40:19] Oh my God. So because of what I used to do which, would be to look for those things to find those sorts of stuff, because those things would go viral or whatever. It’s I’m always incredibly careful whatever tabs I have open, even if it’s something innocuous, I’m just like, I don’t want people to see that I have this website open. [00:40:37] Even if it’s nothing bad, I’m just like, Nope. Not doing it like is actually that reminds me that’s a good segue. That’s how I got into My that’s how I pissed off Kanye west. [00:40:47]Brett: [00:40:47] Okay. Explain. [00:40:49] Christina: [00:40:49] Okay. So he was, this was before we realized he was like unmedicated bipolar. And when he was doing these tweeting rampages and they were fun at the time, like this is, like finger into booty bitch, which is what [00:41:00] Amber Rose said to him when he went off on Amber Rose. And then she was like finger into booty bitch talking about him, which look, we all have our things. [00:41:09] That’s actually a very common one. So not a big deal, but he was tweeting all kinds of crazy stuff. And so I had alerts on Twitter, set up for him and he tweeted this thing about how some new version of something was about to come out. And I looked, he tweeted a safari link and like a screenshot. [00:41:26] And I looked in his tabs and it was very clear this, and he had just gone on this big rant about how like piracy was stealing from him and all this stuff. And mofo was like pirating, Ableton. Like he had opened a bunch of like torrent sites and like pirating things. And it was just really funny. And so I caught this and I tweeted about it and it blew up. [00:41:47] And so I sorry, let me find the link. It’s not wanting to load. Okay, here we go. Kanye west tweets, photo of him showing him using the pirate bay. [00:42:00] And so I, we did a closer look into like he had the pirate bay open and he was looking for various plugins for different things, because he was showing something to often you could see the pirate bay in the background. [00:42:08] You could also see searches for other stuff. And so I tweeted something like Lowell Kanye west has pirate bay links open in safari and his latest tweet and a Mac keeper pop-up and it, the whole thing was just, I just thought it was funny. So his people reached out, they were like pissy. They were like And for some reason, I wonder if his people made him take it down because I’m now getting a 4 0 4 on this anyway. [00:42:32]I heard from some of his people and they were like, they wanted to tell me they were like, no, actually Kanye uses a Mac and that was on a Samsung monitor. And I’m like, yeah, it was connected to an external monitor, but it’s clearly a Mac screenshot. Like they were trying to tell me that it wasn’t what I knew it was. [00:42:49] And they were like, trying to tell me like, like his publicist or whoever. She was like being very like clear. She was like no. This isn’t actually what you think it is. He would never do this then. So was a first, first I was trying to clean. It was a different computer. [00:43:00] Then the claim was, oh no, this was completely on purpose. [00:43:04]And it was a joke. [00:43:05] [00:43:05] So let me find the thing that I wrote because the headline was pretty funny. It was like Connie westerns, this pirating photo was just a joke. And let me see. Okay. Kanye west doesn’t pirate you guys. It was all just a joke on Tuesday night, westward photo of his computer running safari with a tab open to a Sudan Steven’s video on YouTube. [00:43:24] Eli viewers noticed that among the open tabs was the pirate website, the pirate bay, but now a source close to Kanye west tells Mashable that the photo that set up the entire controversy was actually a joke. Kanye was just trolling us. Obviously. Then I put, Jennifer Lawrence, Jeff there, he says the source says that Kanye, the west thought it’d be funny to have pirate bay links appear in the photo since he is very aware that the life of Pablo has been illegally downloaded more than half a million times, because he just bitched about how much Pablo had been strained. [00:43:53] And it was like the source of goes on to note that the computer in the photo does not belong to west who uses a Mac book. Then I put the computer question [00:44:00] is a Mac. You can tell by the UI and window Chrome, plus the fact that it’s running safari, but it’s connected to a Samsung monitor. I’m told that all the west did take the photo and he did purposefully pull up the tabs in the image. [00:44:10] He meant the whole thing as a giant troll. And I put now maybe I don’t get the joke, but it isn’t clear to me why the pirate bay links in question were associated with a record CRM, $189 a piece of software co-founded by the EDM artists dead mouse. Wouldn’t it be funny, or if Kanye had been downloading his own album, which it would have been Steve Duda, who co-founded transfer records, wasn’t laughing either. [00:44:32] Is obviously not a joke cause I don’t deserve to be targeted of a joke. It makes no sense. You told me that shovel, the browser tabs were properly were probably an oversight. And while I expect it, wasn’t Connie’s personal action. More his producer slash engineer, you can see ProTools in the left side of the browser window, calling it a joke, feels like a poor lie. [00:44:49] And if somehow true in poor taste anyway, his people were very angry with me after this. But I thought it was hilarious. [00:44:57] Brett: [00:44:57] I feel like w if you’re Conway, Kanye [00:45:00] west people, you’re probably always it’s probably in the job description that you have to be pissed off at a lot of people. A lot of the time. [00:45:07]Christina: [00:45:07] At one point they’d offered me to maybe have some sort of interview or whatever. So we followed up and they’re like clearly you didn’t take your articles seriously. I was like, op. I’m sorry, you just lied to me. Like you literally just lied to me and told me the most convoluted story, because I got on the phone with this woman and I was like, okay. [00:45:21] So you’re telling me that he intentionally pulled up these things and then took the photo and shared it and that it was supposed to be the subversive joke. Yes. So I said, okay cool. I’m going to well, and the thing is that the story would have died if they had just been like, it was an errant tweet, whatever. [00:45:35] I wouldn’t have even written a follow-up when they lied to me, I then I was giddy. I like burst into Jim Robert’s office. And I was like, Jim Kanye is, people just came up with the most convoluted lie. And now our story that, because I was the one who noticed it first and I was the one that made it become like a trending topic. [00:45:54] I was like, now we get like another six hours out of this. [00:45:58] Brett: [00:45:58] Yeah, I feel like your meds have [00:46:00] kicked in. [00:46:01]Christina: [00:46:01] They have [00:46:01] Brett: [00:46:01] you want to do the next read? [00:46:03] Christina: [00:46:03] let’s totally do the next raid. All right, let me pull this up. All right. Episode is brought to you by text expander would be great for someone like Kanye west to instead just have, they could expand texts for apologies. This would actually be really Good. [00:46:17] for his publicist, instead of always having to be like, I’m so sorry, whatever. Just have a few key commands and issue out the standard apology. But Tex expander from our friends at smile takes the repetition out of your work so that you can focus on what matters most. 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[00:48:04] Like I would just have that committed to if you text expander, keystrokes so that I could do that more quickly without having to like, Worry about mistyping, which is just fantastic. Tex expander can be used on any platform in any app anywhere you type take back your time and increase your productivity. [00:48:22] Now, overtired listeners get a 20% off discount off their first year, which is awesome by visiting textexpander.com/podcast. That’s text expander.com/podcast, and you’ll get 20% off your first year into the repetition in checkout text expander today. [00:48:40] Brett: [00:48:40] Great read Christina. [00:48:41] Christina: [00:48:41] Thank you, Brett. [00:48:42]Brett: [00:48:42] I did want to mention one more app since we’re back to apps now. [00:48:47] Christina: [00:48:47] I love it. [00:48:48]Brett: [00:48:48] So I, it was pointed out to me that like I’ve gone through all of these XLR cough buttons, right? I’m on my leg. Third setup. [00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] them. Yes. [00:48:58] Brett: [00:48:58] And it was pointed out to [00:49:00] me that if you use a loop back by rogue Mia Rogan, Miba, you can just create a virtual device that just takes the input from your XLR interface and then goes into, like the two inputs and don’t put a monitor on it. [00:49:19] And then that device becomes a USB device that an app like shush can mute. And it works perfectly except for, shush, the, which was previously my top choice for a USB microphone meeting, also mutes any other virtual devices and loop backs. So it would actually mute the other end of the call [00:49:43] Christina: [00:49:43] other person do. Okay. So shush, isn’t going to work, but you could use, but you can create like your own other sort of thing with that. [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] And I found this app called microphone with a K. And it lets you specifically pick a USB device to [00:50:00] mute. So I can just, I have a device called mutable complete cause my audio interface is complete audio, so it’s mutable complete and I have it, there’s an extra button on my ultimate hacking keyboard that I don’t use. [00:50:12] And it’s it’s like in the case, so it’s not a clicky button it’s silent and I can press that and mute my microphone. The thing that microphone, the app lacks is a push or a push to mute or a push to talk is only toggle. So I have to click it on and then click it off. And I wish it could work the way shifted, which would be like if you press and hold it, it mutes. [00:50:38] And if you double click it, it stays mute. That feature was what made sure. Awesome. But I do have a software mute now. [00:50:46]Christina: [00:50:46] That’s fantastic. I’m very glad to hear that. And I’m also just while we’re talking about. Things like, so I’m going to try it. I’m going to click on that microphone link that you said, because I, when I finally get my set up the way I want, I’ll probably replicate something like that. [00:51:00] But good shout out to broke amoeba because loopback is great. [00:51:03]Audio hijack, all their apps are really good, but sound source. I live and die by, [00:51:09]Brett: [00:51:09] I’m using three Brogan Miba apps as we speak. [00:51:11] Christina: [00:51:11] Okay. Amazing. And also a shout out for people who it’s not as easy as call recorder was, and it doesn’t, call recorder did one thing really well, which was recording conversations on both sides from Skype or whatnot. [00:51:25] So it’s not quite as easy as that. Although I think you could, you can set up templates that make it very similar, but if you’re looking for something that. Can replace call recorder because you’re on an, in one Mac and e-comm is not going to be bringing it like they’ve discontinued it basically. [00:51:40]You should look into the rogue amoeba apps for sure. [00:51:43] Brett: [00:51:43] All right. I’m gonna I’ll link rogue amoeba’s homepage in the show notes because that’ll take you to sound source and audio hijack and loop back and all of the great stuff they make. Last thing I’ll mentioned before, since this is really becoming a recommendation [00:52:00] episode OWC just finally shipped their thunder bolt for hubs. [00:52:06] [00:52:06] With one port on my M one Mac mini. I can now turn that into three additional Thunderbolt, four ports and one USB 3.2 for whatever that’s worth. But it’s cause you can buy hubs for USB-C or you can buy a Thunderbolt hub, but then it only has USB-C connections on it. And usually not more than two, this gives you three full Thunderbolt for connections. [00:52:37] Christina: [00:52:37] Which is amazing. Yeah. Cause I love who’s the one that I have the Cal digit Thunderbolt three dock, which is amazing. And is I was still highly recommend that for anybody. Like I think that’s the ultimate doc, to be honest, but yeah, the Thunderbolt for doc, I’ve been excited about that. [00:52:52]When I get my pink iMac I’m going to be using that for sure. [00:52:57]Brett: [00:52:57] All right. That was I [00:53:00] appreciate that you woke up during this episode, [00:53:02]Christina: [00:53:02] I hate it too, honestly. I’m sorry that it I’m glad everybody could hear that. While I was awake, I apologize that I wasn’t more awake. I woke up at 6:00 AM to get ready for our show, but it still sometimes takes a little longer, [00:53:13] Brett: [00:53:13] nobody listening to this show is recording a podcast before seven in the morning. So if they have a problem with you being tired, I would like to see them try to do it. I’m not recording. It’s like it’s nine 40 for me. [00:53:26] Christina: [00:53:26] right. It’s like a good time. Yeah. Also in my defense, like again, I got, I had a flight yesterday, so I got home [00:53:35] Brett: [00:53:35] Nope, Nope, no. One’s upset with you, Christina. [00:53:39] Christina: [00:53:39] Fantastic. [00:53:39] Brett: [00:53:39] Sympathize. It’s just, it was fun to watch the progression as well. [00:53:43] Christina: [00:53:43] I appreciate that. I’m glad that people got to hear and listen to the progression. Do we have any new updates? Anybody give us any new reviews? [00:53:50] Brett: [00:53:50] you know what? Let’s have some of that good radio while I load up podcasts [00:53:54]Christina: [00:53:54] Do while we’re, while you’re looking that up we do want to give a shout out. So apple launched their. [00:54:00] Apple lossless apple music, the lossless stuff. And in spatial audio this week and fearless is in spatial audio as our folklore and evermore. So that’s pretty awesome. [00:54:11] Brett: [00:54:11] and our friend Frank Petri, it was the one [00:54:14] Christina: [00:54:14] Thank you, Frank. [00:54:16] Brett: [00:54:16] who notified me of this with a DM that said nothing other than fearless in spatial audio. And I had to decipher that. I actually had to ask Christina w what the hell he was talking about, but, [00:54:27] Christina: [00:54:27] It’s pretty great though. Cause now we get like fully oral like 3d sound, Taylor swift. [00:54:31] Brett: [00:54:31] Oh, we do have a new one from flatbread three 11. The title is over. Myered in great content, not bad. You know what I’m talking about, but really great conversational chemistry. I appreciate the breadth of things here that over-tired is centralized around tech, but can tangent off into the distance without losing the conceit of the show. [00:54:53] Great stuff, five stars [00:54:56] Christina: [00:54:56] All right. [00:54:57] Brett: [00:54:57] five star review. [00:54:58] Christina: [00:54:58] Thank you. We appreciate [00:55:00] that. This is [00:55:01] Brett: [00:55:01] We have an average of 4.8 out of five. I feel like that’s the ideal. If you’re five out of five and then people look in, they’re like, oh, you only have 32 reviews. Nobody cares. But 4.8 out of five people don’t even bother checking. Cause that seems like you could have thousands of reviews and have a good score. [00:55:20]Christina: [00:55:20] That’s the thing you’re like, oh yeah. Cause that must mean you must have tons of reviews if you’re averages. Is that? Yeah, [00:55:25]Brett: [00:55:25] Mac update. I used to advertise with Mac update and they would tell me that the ideal star review score to have was between 4.6 and 4.8. It was considered the most trustworthy, [00:55:38] Christina: [00:55:38] Interesting. [00:55:40] Brett: [00:55:40] of app reviews. Yes. [00:55:42]Christina: [00:55:42] Interesting. [00:55:45]Brett: [00:55:45] Christina, and now that you’re fully awake, get some sleep. [00:55:48]Christina: [00:55:48] Q bread. You’d get some sleep. [00:55:49] too. Have a great rest of your day. Hope your meetings are not too bad. I know you have some of them. I’m going to be gearing up for meeting [00:55:58] Brett: [00:55:58] Yeah, I hope the [00:56:00] same for you. I hope you survive the the meeting pocalypse. [00:56:03] Christina: [00:56:03] it like you, I I’m busy on stuff, which is good. A last project was dumped onto me and which unfortunately I can’t talk about, but when I am able to talk about it in a few weeks, it’s going to be good. [00:56:16]Brett: [00:56:16] Awesome. [00:56:18] Christina: [00:56:18] All right. Get some sleep, Brett. [00:56:20] Brett: [00:56:20] Get some slate, Christina.

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[00:00:11] Christina: [00:00:11] I’m good. I don’t know what time zone I’m in, but I’m good. And, uh, how are you? [00:00:16] doing we’re recording finally, there were some hiccups that I think you want to talk about. [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] so many hiccups. I mean, scheduling a loan. [00:00:25] Christina: [00:00:25] I know. [00:00:26] Brett: [00:00:26] I’ll be lucky if this act, if you’re listening to this on Friday, something went really well. There’s a good chance. That’s episode comes out on Saturday. There’s also a good chance. That’s only 30 minutes long because we’re busy people and things got, uh, just what’s the word for when everything goes sideways. [00:00:43] Christina: [00:00:43] fucked. [00:00:44] Brett: [00:00:44] Yeah, everything got fucked. Yeah. So anyway, w last time when we first tried to record this episode, I, I got on and there was this loud hissing that I just assumed was Christina, and then it wasn’t Christina. [00:00:59] Christina: [00:00:59] It’s a [00:01:00] good assumption, but it was not this case. It was actually not my fault. [00:01:03] Brett: [00:01:03] And I, I th so I want to talk about cable management. Uh, I want to come back to this topic, but I ended up taking everything apart. Like I have so many boxes and cables that everything plugs into trying to figure out where this was coming from. And the thing was it’s only in Skype and the audio recorded from the microphone while on the Skype call has no hits at all. [00:01:29] And it’s all very confusing, but I had a zoom call right after and the audio is fine. So if you could talk to Microsoft about this, um, it’s Skype, it’s all Skype [00:01:42] Christina: [00:01:42] Okay. Um, if I knew the Skype [00:01:45] people, I would, and I think they would probably politely listen, but I’ll try. [00:01:49] Brett: [00:01:49] when it does that thing. When you end a call and it says, how was the quality of your [00:01:53] Christina: [00:01:53] Oh yeah. I can do like one. [00:01:56] Brett: [00:01:56] I’ll I’ll do it. It’s it’s it’s my problem. I’ll take care of [00:02:00] [00:02:00] Christina: [00:02:00] I’ll do it too. And then I’ll write it. [00:02:01] I’ll be like, you’re doing something to our audio and we don’t know What it is because it’s recording cleanly, but you’re adding noise and we don’t like it. [00:02:10] Brett: [00:02:10] What do you want us to do? Use Google Hangouts. Come on, [00:02:13] Christina: [00:02:13] Fuck sake. Come on, zoom. [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] everyone. Everyone else is recording through. Like newer, more modern technologies and only people like you may. And, uh, I guess some old school podcasts are still recording on Skype. [00:02:31] Christina: [00:02:31] Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is that it has its issues and I’m not defending that, but it’s also like one of those things where, because I have to use zoom for some things, but zoom is such a shitty company. Like they’re, they’re really just such a terrible company and their policies are just so God awful. [00:02:47] Like the product is good and I’m not, I’m not discounting that. And, and people who choose to use the product, what they’re, because they’re forced to, or because they genuinely just choose to, I have no animosity towards you. Do you like genuinely like [00:03:00] pick whatever the best tool is for you? But for me, if I have a choice, I would rather not like give them. [00:03:07] Access to my stuff because they’ve installed malware on my Mac and I’m, I don’t know, I’m salty about that. Like they, they straight up installed malware on people’s computers. [00:03:17] Brett: [00:03:17] yeah. Yeah. I used to, if I ever back in the day before for like anyone was noticing what zoom was doing, uh, anytime I had to be on zoom for like a customer call, I would run app to lead afterward and clean up after zoom. Cause it installs some shit. It doesn’t need to. And now, now I use zoom like all day, every day and I don’t have a choice, so I just live with [00:03:43] Christina: [00:03:43] Right. Exactly. I mean, that’s the thing, like if you have a choice and this is always the thing that. I say to people I’m like, look, cause some people get really, really like, Anal about what tools they use and privacy and this and that. And like, I’m all for that. If you can do that fine, but they don’t take into account. [00:03:58] The fact that most [00:04:00] people do not have a choice in the tools that they use, especially when it. [00:04:04] comes to work. You do not have a choice. So you can feel like angry and entitled and inflated and like, you know, mad and all the things you want. But the bottom line is like, you don’t have a choice you’re using what you use. [00:04:16] So I’m not going to criticize people for doing that. But when I do have a choice, and again, this isn’t one of those things I’ll, I’ll like push on to other people, right? Like if you wanted to use zoom, I’m going to use zoom. But when I don’t have to use zoom, I’d rather not use the thing that, you know, installs malware on my Mac. [00:04:33] And that does really shady things with giving over information about people’s calls to the Chinese government to get people like kicked off their platform and to like share their identity, to get them potentially, you know, like they just do some fucked up stuff. So I’m not into zoom. I don’t think they’re good. [00:04:51] The product is really good. I think the company is really shitty, but. That there are plenty of companies out there that I think are really shitty and have good products. So that’s, [00:05:00] it is what it is. [00:05:00] Brett: [00:05:00] Hey, we got our first Christina rant out of the way, like right off the [00:05:04] Christina: [00:05:04] We did, we did. Oh my God. Perfect. [00:05:07] Brett: [00:05:07] Um, I now have a working knowledge of over 80 Oracle services. [00:05:12] Christina: [00:05:12] Oh my [00:05:13] Brett: [00:05:13] sure. I shouldn’t say working knowledge. If someone asked [00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] awareness. You have an awareness of over 80 [00:05:19] Brett: [00:05:19] right. If someone said, Hey, what does this service do? I could tell them in a hundred words or less. And that is my biggest accomplishment in the last month is just finally [00:05:31] Christina: [00:05:31] that’s actually a [00:05:32] Brett: [00:05:32] finishing the research. [00:05:34] Christina: [00:05:34] No, I mean, the thing is, and I know that you’re like, you’re giving yourself like a hard time on this and, and you think that like, oh, I can’t believe that’s all I’ve done in a month. That’s major, that’s way more onboarding than most people do in a month. [00:05:47] Especially at these types of jobs. Like, trust me. Like I keep saying it over and over again. I’m going to become a broken record for our listeners and I apologize, but the corporate shit moves so slowly that [00:06:00] I’m actually really impressed that you got a a hundred word description of over 80 services in the short time that you’ve been there. [00:06:09] Brett: [00:06:09] Hey, thanks. Um, yeah, next up is, uh, I have to take a course on machine learning in Python and then right. The hands-on learning, uh, uh, like lab for it. [00:06:25] Christina: [00:06:25] Interesting. [00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] I’m going to learn a lot about machine learning and probably more than I know about Python too. [00:06:34] Christina: [00:06:34] Yeah, because the Python I’m guessing, and I don’t know, but I’m guessing most of your Python stuff is more script-based. [00:06:42] Brett: [00:06:42] Yes. [00:06:43] Christina: [00:06:43] Okay. So, yeah, so this is a different, I mean, this is, this is data science kind of stuff. So it’s different part of Python, but you’ll learn a lot and you’ll like it and [00:06:52] Brett: [00:06:52] And you’ll like it, [00:06:53] Christina: [00:06:53] no, you will actually. [00:06:54] Um, [00:06:54] Brett: [00:06:54] like learning, you’ll like, it [00:06:56] Christina: [00:06:56] no, you will. I think you’re going to get into it. I don’t know. Have you used [00:07:00] Jupiter notebooks before? [00:07:01] Brett: [00:07:01] what we’re going to be using. Uh, that was my assumption that, that, that was what we’re going to be using. And I was right. And, uh, I have not used it. I am aware of it though. [00:07:11] Christina: [00:07:11] You are going to be really into Jupiter notebooks. Like, it’s going to do, like, you’re going to get really into it. They’re going to be things you’re going to go down this hole. I can already predict this where you’re going to want to like add a bunch of features and change a bunch of things and make it work the way you want it to, for things that it’s not really designed to do. [00:07:28] But you’re going to love the whole idea of Jupiter notebooks and notebooks in general, which, um, it’s interesting because. At my job, there are some of the teams that I work with who are now trying to extend the notebook paradigm into non kind of data science tasks, which is pretty fun. But as like a text editor marked down like person, I’m really excited for you to, to play with Jupiter notebooks because it’s, you’re really gonna like it. [00:07:52] Brett: [00:07:52] I will see by proxy. I also have to learn to like Python, which I currently don’t. [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] Okay. I mean, [00:08:00] Even putting that aside, I’m, I’m excited for you with the notebook stuff, honestly, like, because just with all of your work on, um, Merck and on NB Ault and, um, all that stuff like, and your are shared and, and really like, kind of, I mean, the Genesis of our friendship is a lot of things, but I always think like, were you, you even more than me were like text editor, like nerds, you’re going to really, I’m really excited for you to play with notebooks is this is what I’m saying. [00:08:28] Brett: [00:08:28] I got to tell you about the sublime package I wrote this morning, but first I will say, you know what? I’m not going to say, forget it. Forget how I even start a sentence. I have a question. [00:08:40] Christina: [00:08:40] Yes, [00:08:41] Brett: [00:08:41] Have you heard of diarrhea coin? [00:08:46] Christina: [00:08:46] I have not, but I’m assuming that this is a take on the shitcoin meme and they’ve just made a coin called diarrhea coin? [00:08:53] Brett: [00:08:53] Yeah, I don’t know. I asked Aaron what, uh, what I should talk about on over-tired today. Cause I was grasping for [00:09:00] topics and she just off the top of her, said her head said diarrhea coin. And I don’t know if she was serious. Like it’s a thing and I didn’t have time to Google it before we started talking. [00:09:12] So if there is such a thing as diarrhea coin, we might have to talk about it next week or [00:09:18] Christina: [00:09:18] Oh, no apparent. Apparently it is. It’s called a diet or diarrhea. Coins are de-centralized coins. That are, you know, so they’re built on Ethereum and yeah. [00:09:27] it is basically the latest, like it’s kind of like the latest dose thing. So there was like Shibu coin, like, cause doge coin is the big one that actually has been, become worth money. [00:09:39] Um, it raised up like, so I was way down. I wasn’t, I still haven’t lost money, but I was way down in my high I’m still way down in my high. I’m only up $660, uh, right now, which is about a 50% drop of where I was. Three weeks ago. It is, but it is. Um, but it went on Coinbase and it hit like 44 cents, which [00:10:00] was a lot better. [00:10:01] And I, I probably should have sold them, but I didn’t want to I’m I’m just, I’m in this for the long haul, but I’m guessing. So then there was like the Sheba coin in, because as a Sheba, you knew that is that the dose mascot. And I’m guessing that now this diarrhea coin from what I’m gathering is yet another one of these, like, people are just making, um, Funny coins like that, which, I mean, I enjoy the name of it because has been a meme for such a long time, but I do appreciate the fact that it has the, um, I guess like the, the trading symbol or whatever, you know, for the coin is DIH, which is pretty funny. [00:10:43] Brett: [00:10:43] Did [00:10:44] Christina: [00:10:44] And, Oh this is funny and they’re calling it the most liquid asset ever created. [00:10:47] Brett: [00:10:47] God, that’s horrible. That’s horrible. Did I tell you I’m banned from Coinbase, [00:10:53] Christina: [00:10:53] Did you did because you, you know, try to buy your drugs using Coinbase because which I [00:11:00] could’ve told you eight years ago, or whenever you did this, I could have told you then like fucking amateur move, dude. You don’t, you don’t buy your silk road stuff with Coinbase, [00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] Yeah, I, I had no idea. I, it was naive, but, uh, I was kind of desperate at the time. [00:11:13] Christina: [00:11:13] No, I get you. The thing is though, is what you would do just for anyone listening. I know I’m just giving advice on how to. Wash or laundry or money, I guess. I don’t know. And also to be clear, this is the funny thing I’ve never done this. I just read a lot and, um, in better in theory about these things than I ever would be in practice. [00:11:31] Um, if you wanted to do something like this, the thing would be is you would have your wallet on Coinbase. You would then transfer the money to a different wallet that you control. That was someplace else. Then if you really wanted to do a transfer it to yet another one, and then you would use that wallet to make your purchases. [00:11:47] Brett: [00:11:47] but don’t like with Coinbase, you have to authenticate your ID with like uploading driver’s license and everything. Can you open up, can you open up wallets without all that hassle? [00:11:58] Christina: [00:11:58] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like wallets can [00:12:00] be de-centralized they can be hard while it’s like, the idea of a wallet is just, this is something that exists someplace. Like some people have what are known as like, um, like, uh, Like, I guess technically a hard wall. It’d be like, you are printing out like the string of whatever your codes are and you are storing it in cold storage. [00:12:15] That’s what people refer to. Some people have things like tracers and other things, which are like Android devices that are just have one app running and that have different authentication principles and protect your stuff. What you would do is yeah, you could just create another. Bitcoin wallet I’m using any number of services. [00:12:31] They’re usually Java or QT based, which is frustrating. Um, but you could just create one of those. Get the address. And then transfer from your Coinbase wallet to one of those addresses. Um, it could still technically be linked back to you. This is why sometimes like you would, maybe you transfer for multiple things and, and try to kind of like, not have it just be like, Hey, I just, I just gave some, this person, this money, I don’t know what they did with it. [00:12:56] If they went and bought stuff off. The dark web. That’s fine. [00:13:00] Um, I don’t think Coinbase usually goes that far into looking at it, but if you’re using your Coinbase wallet, which as you say is backed with, you know, your driver’s license and your bank account and all that stuff. Yeah. They’re going to look at like where you’re spending money and whatnot. [00:13:14] And if it looks like it’s for drugs or for illegal stuff, then they’re going to be like, yeah, we’re shutting this down. The irony of Coinbase. And then I’ll stop. Is this my last Christina rant is that it is centralizing. Everything has been de-centralized right. Like the whole point of Bitcoin was supposed to be this, this de-centralized thing, but you can’t trace, it’s like cash. [00:13:32] The problem is, is that that’s very hard to use practically. Um, and so. People immediately started creating these exchanges in these more centralized places. So you had Mt. Gox, which, you know, was hacked. You’ve had some other ones. And then Coinbase is really, they took the approach of being like, okay, we’re actually going to work with the banks and the feds and the other stuff, and try to make a go at this they’ve gone public. [00:13:53] They are doing well. And it’s ironic that everybody like points to Coinbase. It’s like, yeah, [00:14:00] totally. It’s completely centralized. And is in many cases the complete antithesis of why you would use crypto. But it is easy to use and, um, gives you a little more, not security, but you know, more, more things than otherwise. [00:14:14] But yeah, like if you’re wanting to use it for like, like things that might be questionable, just transfer that money to a different wallet, which you can do. [00:14:23] Brett: [00:14:23] speaking of wallets. This is going to be a great transition. Are you [00:14:27] Christina: [00:14:27] I love it. I love it. [00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] You know, what’s a big hit on your wallet, high interest credit card debt. 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And don’t forget to use our URL to let them know we sent you loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. [00:16:22] Go to upstart.com/overtired and start lowering your credit card debt. [00:16:29] Christina: [00:16:29] Awesome. And that’s a really good service. I mean, there are a lot of people who like credit cards or interest rates. They’re so predatory it’s it’s it’s. Yeah. So thank you, upstart. [00:16:41] Brett: [00:16:41] I didn’t notice when my debt got high enough, I stopped getting offers in the mail for like cards and loans and things. And now all of a sudden. [00:16:54] Christina: [00:16:54] You’ve been in them [00:16:55] Brett: [00:16:55] That I have new, I have good credit again, and every day I’m getting [00:17:00] offers and it’s, it’s ridiculous. [00:17:03] Christina: [00:17:03] Yeah. [00:17:03] I had a similar thing. I didn’t have the debt issue, but I didn’t have credit. Like I didn’t have, um, stuff that was. You know, I didn’t have any open credit cards or anything like that. And, and that can be the same equivalent as having no credit or not going to bad credit, having no credit. And as soon as I started to build good credit and I don’t have that many credit cards and I pay them off in full each month. [00:17:24] Um, and, and I’m fortunate that I’m able to do that. Like the number of offers I get it’s crazy. And even as Sundays, like American express sends me like an offer. Like they want me to take out loans and do all this stuff like every single week. I’m like, um, I’m cool. Thank you. You know? Bank of America really wants me to buy a house and I’m like, I hate to break it to you. [00:17:43] I cannot buy a house. I Do not have money for the down payment, but thank you very much for offering to finance it for me. Can’t afford it. But thank you. [00:17:53] Brett: [00:17:53] Do you want to know what sad thing I’m holding in my hands right now? [00:17:55] Christina: [00:17:55] What’s that? [00:17:57] Brett: [00:17:57] So I got a text from my [00:18:00] ex-wife who now lives in Ohio and she said, Hey, can I stop by? I have something to drop off and. Uh, so I put together that she was visiting in town and, uh, and I said, sure, but I didn’t ask any questions. And then she showed up while I was in a meeting and said she just left something on the porch for me. [00:18:22] And so I never saw her, but when I went to get the package, it was, you know, my cat Yeti, right. [00:18:30] Christina: [00:18:30] Yes. [00:18:31] Brett: [00:18:31] His sister, I think I mentioned died last year. [00:18:35] Christina: [00:18:35] Yeah. [00:18:36] Brett: [00:18:36] so what she dropped off was one of those pop prints [00:18:40] Christina: [00:18:40] Oh, [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Jess bell had six toes on every foot. So these are huge paw prints. I’m looking at my, my dead, my ex wife’s dead cats, pop prints, [00:18:53] Christina: [00:18:53] that’s a good band name. [00:18:57] Brett: [00:18:57] like a drone metal band. [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] Yeah, exactly. [00:19:00] Exactly. It’s like total drone metal. Aw, that is sad, but that’s nice that she dropped them off. [00:19:04] Brett: [00:19:04] It was it’s very sweet. Very sweet. Yes. Yeah. It could have been a lot worse. Could have been some weird vindictive. I don’t know my, uh, the possibilities seemed endless, but also I couldn’t figure out what it was. It was a trip, but it’s over now and I have pop prints, so we’re good. [00:19:25] Christina: [00:19:25] That’s awesome. That’s great. I mean, when that great. I mean, it’s sad, but I’m glad that it’s not like I was afraid where you were, that you’re going to pop prints were good. I thought this was going, like, it was going to be like, remains, like, [00:19:38] Brett: [00:19:38] oh God, [00:19:39] Christina: [00:19:39] like, you know what I mean? Like in an urn or something, I was like, that would be really depressing. [00:19:42] Brett: [00:19:42] I still have Emma’s ashes around here somewhere. I always meant to spread them somewhere. She loved, but oh, I did. I split them up. I split them up and I saved some because I think it was going to give them to a, or I don’t remember. But they’re still here. I still have them, [00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] Yeah. No. And that would make sense. It would just be one of those things where like, if [00:20:00] somebody left an urn with ashes, like on your doorstep, like that would be, I don’t know, that’d be really sad. [00:20:07] Brett: [00:20:07] you know, the song, self esteem by the offspring. I’m just like, we’re on a tight schedule. So I’m just going to keep like flipping through topics [00:20:15] Christina: [00:20:15] do it. Do it. [00:20:16] Brett: [00:20:16] So I always. [00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] no. Yeah, exactly. [00:20:19] Brett: [00:20:19] I hated it in high school and I hated it now. But then Kay, Flay put out an EAP, uh, this year she does, she does a very, uh, downtempo cover. [00:20:32] She does self-esteem by the offspring brain stew by green day and break stuff by fucking limp biscuit. [00:20:39] Christina: [00:20:39] Oh man. Okay. I love all of those except for the fucking limp biscuit song, but I’m now adding this, of course, obviously I’m like adding this to my apple music, Spotify, whatever. Um, and I love what this is called. Don’t judge a song by its cover. That’s funny. [00:20:53] Brett: [00:20:53] So I was, I was upset because she did actually make me, life’s like self-esteem. [00:21:00] [00:21:00] Christina: [00:21:00] I’m sorry for you. Um, I, I really liked that song, so I’ve always liked that song, but we grew up in different times. Like Offspring is a different band for me that I’m sure it was for you and, uh, yeah, [00:21:14] Brett: [00:21:14] was a conglom rip off of like a lot of great classic punk from like minor threat to the clash. [00:21:24] Christina: [00:21:24] You are correct. But my, but because I am younger and didn’t have the exposure to the real shit, I thought that they were good and were more hardcore. And I say, hardcore tongue in cheek. Cause I know they weren’t hardcore, but like I was like, okay. They were like more legit than blink one 82. [00:21:40] Right. Um, which now I kind of don’t even think that’s true, but at the time that was definitely kind of how it felt. So, [00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] What age were you? When, when ugly kid Joe was a band. [00:21:54] Christina: [00:21:54] Ah, [00:21:55] Brett: [00:21:55] Do you remember ugly [00:21:56] Christina: [00:21:56] I do remember ugly kid Joe. [00:21:58] let me look. I think [00:22:00] I was like, um, okay, so, so it was, so when they formed, I was six [00:22:08] Brett: [00:22:08] Oh, wow. [00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] and, but I guess when they were, when, when their best-selling records that came out in 91, I would have been seven or eight. [00:22:15] Brett: [00:22:15] Wow. I am so much older than you. [00:22:20] Christina: [00:22:20] Yeah. So that’s the thing, like, we’re really not, it’s just the age thing. Like, this is just the weird generational divide, like grant and Kelly, my sister habit too. It’s just, you know, like it’s just that weird kind of like precipice thing. And I have it with people who are still millennials, but then I’m like six or seven years older than you. [00:22:38] know, where, like, I know the references that they’re doing, but I’m like, I was in college and they’re like, I was 12 I’m like, Okay. let’s not talk about this anymore. [00:22:49] You know? So, [00:22:51] Brett: [00:22:51] Yeah. [00:22:53] Christina: [00:22:53] so Yeah, so I totally missed, you know, I’m like, I remember the name, but I didn’t, um, [00:23:00] like listen to them or whatever. Like they probably were on the alternative radio station that, that I did listen to, but I, I wasn’t aware of them. Um, I was really into green day, um, which came out when I was, like, Well, they didn’t come out, but like, uh, um, uh, Dukey came out when I was like, uh, I want to say like, like 11 and that was a really big like, record. [00:23:23] So. [00:23:25] Brett: [00:23:25] I was, I was on the cusp of like, it was still cool. They, they were new enough that like the alternative kids. Like them and they were old enough that it was cool to hate them. Like if you were going to be super punk about it, uh, I kind of, I kind of straddled the line there. I enjoyed that first album of theirs. [00:23:51] They lost my attention very quickly after that, but there was a song, there was a line, something about [00:24:00] boredom and masturbation or, and I don’t remember what song it was. [00:24:04] Christina: [00:24:04] June, June, June, June, June. I can’t think of the name of it either, but, but I, but I know the song. Exactly. Yeah. [00:24:09] Brett: [00:24:09] Yeah, I enjoyed that song. [00:24:11] Christina: [00:24:11] Yeah, no, and I, I, I’m actually going to see green day and follow a boy and Weezer. Um, Adam Dodger stadium in, um, September over like late right before labor day, I guess. And, um, that’s going to be a fun show. [00:24:27] Uh, I was supposed to go last year, but pandemic killed everything. Um, And actually last year it was gonna be pretty awesome. Cause I was going to go see green day, fall up boy Weezer on a Saturday. And then on Sunday I was going to see Taylor swift. And that was so, so I was taking my friend, Katherine. She was going to take me to green day. [00:24:47] I was going to take her to Taylor swift and it was going to be a really, really fun weekend, but that’s no longer the case. But, um, greedy is one of those bands that, like I said, like I was, I was. You know, like 11, I think I had just turned [00:25:00] 11 when, when Dooky came out, like that was like, and it was like a huge album. [00:25:03] Like I remember getting in trouble in chorus class because I missed a, not getting in trouble, but I missed a recital or something because my sister was being crowned homecoming queen. And so. That was obviously my parents that was like, that’s more important. This is what you’re going to do. So I had to write a paper on some musical thing. [00:25:21] And so I went to, um, the library and I got rolling stone and green day was on the cover. And I wrote a thing about green day and then presented it in the class. You have to understand this was like a very prissy teacher. So this was my own very minor act. And you also have to keep in mind that I was like a very like. [00:25:38] Wanting to please, you know, like it does the right thing, like a good student portal sort of person. So this was a subversive act for me to do a report on green day. Um, but, uh, [00:25:53] Brett: [00:25:53] Okay. [00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] that was like my active subversion, which is not subversive at all, but for me at that time, definitely felt that way. But [00:26:00] no, I, I, um, Yeah. I think my 11th birthday, I think somebody gave me the Dooky, um, uh, tape and, um, Their stuff has gone back and forth, but they’re a weird band in that, like when American idiot came out like that and introduced this whole younger generation to them too. [00:26:18] And it’s just interesting seeing how they’ve been one of those weird bands blink one 82 is the same way, but like there are these bands that have like transcended generations and have just had these periods where they just kind of come back and like people get into them Weezer similarly too. Um, it’s weird. [00:26:35] Brett: [00:26:35] Yeah. Let’s skip to the end of the show now. [00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Yeah, that’s fine. [00:26:40] Brett: [00:26:40] Um, w I, I apologize to everyone for the short episode today. Um, I do want to put out a request. We have not gotten any new reviews for like two weeks now, and we love hearing from you. I don’t care how many stars it is. I’ll read it, live on the air, just go leave an iTunes [00:27:00] review. [00:27:00] Um, and I really, I want to make. T-shirts and I’m trying to figure out, like my first thought is that the front of it should say, get some sleep, Christina, and the back should say, get some sleep, Brett, and then just overtired, maybe on both sides. I don’t know. But then I was sick and maybe we could make two versions. [00:27:22] We could make a, get some sleep, Christina and some, get some, get some sleep Bret shirts and just let people choose. I mean, it’s not a contest. You would win. Like you’re far more popular than I [00:27:34] Christina: [00:27:34] No, I think you would win actually. I think you would win, but, Um, [00:27:37] Brett: [00:27:37] I really, it doesn’t matter. It [00:27:39] Christina: [00:27:39] It doesn’t matter. [00:27:39] I’m I mean, I’m happy. Like if people want to buy shirts with it, I love that long view is the song by the way. Yeah. [00:27:45] Brett: [00:27:45] Oh, I wouldn’t even recognize the name. Um, I don’t know where to make t-shirts these days is cotton bureau is Teespring. I don’t even know. I’ll figure it out. [00:27:56] Christina: [00:27:56] we’ll figure it out. [00:27:56] We’ll look into it. Um, I think Threadless even still does some stuff Alfa [00:28:00] I’ll we’ll we’ll look into it. Um, also, if any of you have suggestions of places you like to buy shirts, let us know. [00:28:05] Brett: [00:28:05] please do. Um, also I’m going to put out a call. If anyone is, uh, uh, experience with making extensions for vs code, I have built a bunch extension or a bunch package for sublime text, and I would love to port it. JVs code, but I got started with it and then I found out I just didn’t care enough to learn how so if anyone wants to help me port that, please let me know. [00:28:35] Christina: [00:28:35] We don’t hear from readers. Um, text me about this, like remind me like early next week and I will connect you with people that I know. [00:28:42] who will absolutely help with that. [00:28:44] Brett: [00:28:44] All right. All right. Well, thanks for, uh, thanks for the odd timing and, and making, uh, what’s it been half an hour, making half an hour available. [00:28:53] Christina: [00:28:53] Yeah. Truncated overtired. It’s good. It’s good. So, um, get some sleep, Brett. [00:28:58] Brett: [00:28:58] Get some sleep, Christina. [00:29:00]

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Transcript Brett Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]Too overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett. Brett, how are you? [00:00:10] Brett: [00:00:10] I am it’s. It’s free. We’re recording on Friday. We usually record a day or two early, but we went all the way to Friday this time. So I am in the Friday mood. I have no idea what’s going on. I’ve let go of everything. I’m an empty void. [00:00:26]Christina: [00:00:26] Uh, I, I bad, like, it’s been a crazy week for me because as I was telling you before, like I, as I mentioned last week on our episode, I, um, Microsoft build this week. And so. That means that even though, like, my shift was like the final hosting ships was like the final shift, the, of the, um, events. So I was, I like, my call time was 9:30 PM. [00:00:50] And then I left the studio at like 8:00 AM, um, the following day. So that was Wednesday night to Thursday morning. The whole week was still taking up with, [00:01:00] with doing pre stuff, doing some pre-records and doing some other things. And so I’ve been hands down with that. And then as soon as build ended, I got like an hour and a half of sleep. [00:01:09] And then I jumped on an airplane and, um, flew to Atlanta and drive last night, got a rental car. And so grant and I are in Atlanta, uh, hopefully to visit with the baby. The baby is not here right now. And my sister’s being incommunicado, which is typical of her. Uh, so, um, I, I hope I, I mean, we’re going to see the baby because if I have to drive to her house, like just unilaterally make the decision. [00:01:32] Like after we finished recording our podcast, because I didn’t fly all this way to not see a baby, but anyway, [00:01:38] Brett: [00:01:38] you in Atlanta? Just like two weeks ago. [00:01:40] Christina: [00:01:40] I was, I was, and she really didn’t want me to leave. And so I’m here and now she’s being like incommunicado. So not that I’m [00:01:48] Brett: [00:01:48] like either babies or your sister. [00:01:52] Christina: [00:01:52] I don’t like either is the thing like, uh, but I do like this baby, but I, I just felt like she needed me here. [00:01:59] Grant [00:02:00] wanted to meet the baby. We had, you know, long weekend. So I booked a flight. She really didn’t want me to leave when, when I left. And so I felt like bad. And so I immediately like booked a flight, like to be as good as possible for that stuff. And [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] sister. [00:02:17] Christina: [00:02:17] I try, I try, but anyway, so [00:02:21] Brett: [00:02:21] I’ve never been there in that regard for either of my siblings. We don’t have close relationships. It’s very, very surface level. I’m better friends with some of my like friends than I am with my own siblings. [00:02:35]Christina: [00:02:35] Oh, I mean, that’s 100% true for me. Like that’s completely accurate, but, uh, and the same would be true for her, right? Like I should absolutely better friends with some of her, um, you know, people in her life then with me, but I don’t know this is different. Um, this is, this is a more unique situation and I don’t know, I just felt like I needed to be there and it was the right thing to do. [00:02:57] So I’m here. So I’m [00:03:00] a little bit frazzled as well. So I apologize to the listeners for that. I’m actually recording this on my mom’s laptop because I was trying to help get her password situation under control. We’ll talk about that. When we talk about tech things, she has a system where she has a notes file that is very long where she’s basically recreated the one password app where she has like her username and password and a unique password for each thing. [00:03:21] And I’m like, mom, I got you with one password account. Like. A year and a half ago, she’s never used it. So I’m just going to have to go through and manually move everything over and then convince her, okay, you use this app now. This is where you enter your passwords and look, it’ll auto-fill things for you when you’re in the web or an app. [00:03:38] Anyway. [00:03:39] Brett: [00:03:39] So I got, I got one password. I think I, all I know is I, I H I strongly recommended that she use one password and then she tried to get started and she got confused. I don’t, but it is like I’ve been using one password since like the [00:04:00] arts and. I don’t remember how to get started with one password. So I was like zero help with like, oh, here’s, here’s how you get going with it. [00:04:10] Um, I kept meaning to it, like I’m sure the documentation is great. Uh, agile does wonderful with agile bits now does wonderful with that stuff. I just never found the, uh, the, the getting started tutorial to get her on board. [00:04:26]Christina: [00:04:26] Yeah, I think that that is the hard thing at this point for people. Um, one of the problems too, is that at least from my perspective, and I could be wrong on this, but I think that at this point, like when we started using it, um, you might’ve had passwords saved in your web browser that it could import, and you might’ve had, um, passwords, like, like app, like apple had a version of key chain then, but it wasn’t, it was different, you know, than it is now. [00:04:53] Like it didn’t sync things quite the same way. And so like you [00:05:00] had stuff like that and. Now so many people use like iCloud key chain that doesn’t let you export your passwords. Like you can’t just import it easily. Whereas like, I like, if you, if you use like last pass, right? Like if that’s what you were using and you started using one password, like there’s a very easy way where you could import your old last pass files and they would walk you through that process and then all your passwords would be there. [00:05:23] But if you’re using iCloud key chain or you’re using a mix of that, there’s not a way to do that, which. I on the one hand, I understand cognitively that apple would want to make that difficult. On the other hand, I absolutely don’t understand why I can’t get a CSV file or even a password protected file that I have to enter a password for, for the application, even access. [00:05:44] You know what I mean? Like, they’re my files, it’s my passwords. I can view it when I enter in my password and I’m going manually through my key chain, at least on a Mac on iOS. I have no access to any of the contents of certain things in my key chain, like my SSI IDs on [00:06:00] wireless networks or some other things, right. [00:06:01] Like I have no access to that, which is beyond frustrating. Um, and, and, uh, completely kills the whole like idea of oh yeah, you can totally use an iPad as your only computer. Yeah, sure. If you don’t. Want to, if you want to use third-party tools for a lot of other things, including a password manager so that you know what your, you know, um, wireless ID passwords are when you go someplace, if you need to access it from a different device, which Hey, shocker people do sometimes. [00:06:29] Um, but yeah, but they don’t like, I understand not wanting to make it super easy to export your key chain, but at the same time, I feel like it’s an advanced user features. Like you should make it possible. It should be something that, you know, other applications given permission, if you enter in the password around the password project file can have access to like data portability. [00:06:50] I don’t know, call me, call me a freak, but I kind of feel like that’s an important thing, especially with something like your password. [00:06:56] Brett: [00:06:56] Absolutely. Well, I mean, I think the, [00:07:00] the idea is if you can export a CSV of your passwords, so can someone else. And so [00:07:07] Christina: [00:07:07] Yes. And I, and I get that. And I understand that, I guess my point is you should still be able to export a CSV that is encrypted or have some sort of other encrypted format where applications like a password manager that you draw you trust and allow in your store. And you know that your employees use another stuff like one password. [00:07:26] If again, given the authentication and using the password that it needs to decrypt, it could have access to. So it could import that information. Like, there’ll be a way around that as all my point is like, I understand cognitively why you would want to make, that difficult. I don’t understand why it’s not even a possibility, like even through a command line thing. [00:07:45] Like, I, I understand again, maybe like, even if you made it a command line flag feature fine, but because you don’t want people to do that, but I don’t know. Sometimes this is one of those things that is, and it happens. It’s been [00:08:00] happening more and more, uh, frequently over, I would say the last five or six years, but apple goes into, I feel like the mode of where they. [00:08:07] You know, they’re, they’re being parental in a way that I don’t think is helpful to users. [00:08:11] Brett: [00:08:11] So [00:08:12] Christina: [00:08:12] making, you’re making decisions for me. That might be good for, let’s say 75% of the audience, because at this point, I don’t know if we think the decisions are good for like 95% of the audience. I really do feel like for certain things, for certain edge cases, it’s like a 75% thing. [00:08:26] I think some things aren’t, you can’t just run off as a power user thing. You, it literally becomes like a, um, like a, uh, a paper cut for normal people who don’t know any better. And they’re like, why can’t I do this? And that to me is a paper cut, but you’re making these decisions. You have good intentions, but by locking stuff down So [00:08:43] much and being like arbitrary about it, you are really preventing people from using their devices the way that they should be able to use them. [00:08:53] Brett: [00:08:53] did you do, do you know about the security command? [00:08:56]Christina: [00:08:56] No, I don’t. [00:08:57] Brett: [00:08:57] And, and apples, [00:09:00] BSD Unix. There’s a, uh, security command that gives you command line access to the key chain. [00:09:07] Christina: [00:09:07] Oh, yeah. That I didn’t know about. Yes, yes. [00:09:09] Brett: [00:09:09] once you’ll have to unlock your key chain one time, but you can use it in scripts too. Like I use it to get my pseudo password. Like I stored the pseudo password in key chain. [00:09:21] And then from the command line, when the script runs, once I have to unlock the key chain and then anytime it runs after that I can run scripts with, uh, with pseudo capabilities and it has export features as well. [00:09:35]Christina: [00:09:35] Okay. So there could conceivably be a way to copy all of your IDs or whatever, to something scripted and then export it. Okay. So, so that seems like that’s the solution and that’s all I would want. Right. It just seems weird to me that you could potentially do that. There could potentially be a way where you could write that even. [00:09:54] But there isn’t using, you know, the security feature or even using like the way that you would access [00:10:00] key chain from the command line, where you could just export a CSV of all of your data like that. Just [00:10:07] Brett: [00:10:07] there is a security export command, but I don’t know in what format it exports, um, pass for. Anyway, I won’t try to figure it out right now, but, uh, but yeah, we, we should do an episode on password managers. Oh, wait. I think we just did. [00:10:24] Christina: [00:10:24] I think we just did. [00:10:25] I mean, one password is still my choice, but yeah. Anyway, so anyway, I’m on my mom’s computer. That was my long, sorry, your segue. And so like 10 minutes later, that’s what we’re talking about. Uh, Brett, how are you? Let’s get a mental health corner update and a job update. [00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] Sure I can do that. Um, we have a new listener, uh, maybe only one, but, uh, my coworker Aaron has started listening to overtired. Uh, [00:10:51] Christina: [00:10:51] Hi, Aaron, [00:10:52] Brett: [00:10:52] she has, only heard the most recent episode, so she has no idea what your Wikipedia like [00:11:00] knowledge of nine oh two one. Oh, sounds like yet. [00:11:02]Christina: [00:11:02] Aaron, you were in for a treat, especially if you love nineties era teen soaps. It’s it’s. It’s good. [00:11:11] Brett: [00:11:11] Yeah. I don’t know where she stands on the teen soap stuff. I’m going to guess. Um, she is more on my side of that than yours, but I think everyone, everyone can enjoy like the absolute insanity of your depth of knowledge, of those things. [00:11:30]Christina: [00:11:30] Yeah, I think I honestly, I feel like it’s one of those things that like, people you hear it and you’re like, okay, I didn’t care anything about any of these shows or any of these actors or any of this stuff. However, the fact that one person does know all this stuff for whatever reason is interesting. [00:11:45]Brett: [00:11:45] So [00:11:46] Christina: [00:11:46] I hope. [00:11:47] Brett: [00:11:47] regarding my mental health, I, I had, uh, like my bipolar, I hit like a depression without going manic first, which is, I can’t remember that ever [00:12:00] happening before. Like the mania always precedes the depression and this time I just had like four days of not deep depression, just like. I didn’t want to be in my office. [00:12:12] It felt like a real chore to get down there. I just wanted to sit on the couch and watch TV, which I know to some people just sounds like laziness, but like it’s it’s clinical. Um, but like immediately following that, I had one day of like hypomanic and then back to normal, it was weird. Uh, it’s a little unsettling that, that my patterns would change. [00:12:36] Right. As I’m trying to hold down a day job, but it also worked out fine because I can do my job when I’m mildly depressed and I happen to be, I think I’m really good at my new job. [00:12:48] Christina: [00:12:48] Yay. That’s really awesome to hear. I’m really happy about that. [00:12:53] Brett: [00:12:53] uh, I’m writing, I’m writing out those 90 services that I’ve been working on for the last couple of [00:13:00] weeks and have like a whole system, my own, like markdown syntax for keeping notes and writing out, uh, blurbs and rocking and rolling on that and starting to work on, uh, get hub, uh, action-based Jekyll workflow pipeline. [00:13:19] It’s yeah, we’re having, we’re having fun. I feel like, I feel like I can, I can do this [00:13:23]Christina: [00:13:23] Awesome. I’m very excited about that. And I’m also, I’m actually excited. I, think you’re going to, I don’t know how much you’ve played with GitHub actions. They’re totally your shit though. [00:13:31] Brett: [00:13:31] I, I actually have not like I’ve worked with Travis and Jenkins, but I’ve never tried to, like, what I basically need to do is replicate some Travis workflows in GitHub actions. And I haven’t explored it enough to know if that’s entirely feasible or not. [00:13:50] Christina: [00:13:50] for most of the stuff you’re going to want to do. Yes. There might be some edge cases where you’re not in that case. I can definitely put you in contact with the right people who would love your feedback on ways they can make actions better [00:14:00] because I know the actions team. Um, and, uh, but yeah, I think you’re gonna like it, like the way that it’s been thought about and the way that they are done. [00:14:10] The setup with GitHub actions, I think has been actually really nice and clever. And what’s nice too, is that people publish their other, their, their actions. You don’t have to, you can keep them private, of course, but people have collections and have actions on a get hub. And so sometimes if you find things like you can like look through and be like, oh, okay, I see how they did this. [00:14:28] And I want to replicate this myself, which is nice. [00:14:31] Brett: [00:14:31] Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, I think I’ll have fun with it also. It’s not entirely on my shoulders, which is like, uh, every it’s I I’ve been working solo for so long. It’s weird to have. A team, um, like a, it’s weird that everything goes slower because you have to get agreement from multiple people. But B it’s nice to have like a fallback. [00:14:57] If you can’t figure something out, there’s someone to [00:15:00] step in and help you out, which is the plus side of having a team. [00:15:05]Christina: [00:15:05] Yeah, it really is. It’s nice when you realizing, oh, I’m not the only person who has to do this. Yeah, it doesn’t live and die by me. It will get done regardless. And as I’d mentioned to you before, and I don’t know how much you’ve been able to pick up on this. Cause it sounds like you’ve been working really hard, which is awesome. [00:15:21] But things do like, not to say you don’t have deadlines, not to say that there aren’t sprints and there aren’t periods, but like you’re in crunch time, but in general, it’s, it’s interesting to me that especially working in like a big corporations, like how much slower things [00:15:33] Brett: [00:15:33] So slow. [00:15:35] Christina: [00:15:35] Right, right. Like that’s the thing, like a project that in your mind, you’d be like, oh, okay, I’ve got to get this done. [00:15:41] And you know, a couple of days and it’s like, it could be a month. Yeah, [00:15:45] Brett: [00:15:45] it’ll be a couple of days before it even shows up as a JIRA ticket. [00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] exactly. Exactly. [00:15:51] Brett: [00:15:51] then you have to make your confluence page to track it. Yeah. Yeah. Confluence and JIRA are there. [00:16:00] I don’t think they are amazing, uh, systems to begin with, but I also have to use them over the VPN, which is super slow for me right now. [00:16:10] Uh, yeah, the VPN is still, uh, [00:16:13] Christina: [00:16:13] An issue. [00:16:14] Brett: [00:16:14] Yeah. Like I, I tried to completely remove Cisco any connect from my machine and just use Shimo, but that messed up routing tables, something, it like, uh, any connect overwrites routing tables. And I don’t know enough about this shit to figure out how to undo it. So I had to reinstall any connect and then you Shimo instead of any connect, but with any connects, um, uh, global daemons running. [00:16:43] So it it’s weird. And I don’t understand what I’m doing. And I’m sh I’m taking shots in the dark trying to figure out split tunneling, and there’s gotta be a way to make this work, but I haven’t found it yet. [00:16:54]Christina: [00:16:54] Hi, I trust that you will, and maybe, uh, Aaron or any other, your other coworkers who listened, maybe like [00:17:00] more people can come through, like, uh, uh, the guy, uh, last week who gave you the insight? [00:17:04] Brett: [00:17:04] is still helping me. We, we have a slack going. I [00:17:07] Christina: [00:17:07] SI love it. [00:17:08] Brett: [00:17:08] I think he underestimates my lack of networking knowledge. Um, I have to look up, I have to look up what he says means I have to look up what, what he says means, and then go back to him and say, I need to understand how to implement this. And he’s been very patient. [00:17:30] Uh, but I have not been, I, I feel like I’m not been able to implement the advice he’s given me in the way he expected to at this point. [00:17:42]Christina: [00:17:42] you’ll get there. You’ll get there. I mean, th and this stuff is all like, Yeah, Um, I haven’t had to do VPN tunnels in a really long time, but I don’t know for me. And maybe you’re different on this. Maybe you retain it better for networking. For whatever reason, I will [00:18:00] go really nerdy and really deep and totally understand what I’m doing at the moment I’m doing it. [00:18:05] And then it like totally leaves my mind except for little snippets, bits and pieces later on, like, is this one of those things that for whatever reason I can’t hang on to. [00:18:12] Brett: [00:18:12] Yeah, no, I’ve never, I’ve never gone deep. Like I just don’t have the interest. Like you start talking about network masks and I’m already gone. Like I just, I don’t care. I just want to turn on my computer and use the internet and I don’t, I just don’t want to have to care about that stuff. [00:18:30] Christina: [00:18:30] no, I, I totally, I understand that. I, um, one of the, I mentioned this in our last episode, we were talking about stuff. Like one of the reasons that I, when I was getting into having to learn about different Azure stuff, like we had this big tour that we did Microsoft ignite the tour, and I ended up traveling all over the world for it, which was great. [00:18:48] And we were coming to crunch time. And this was one of those genuine CrunchTime things where we really could have used another couple of weeks, but we didn’t have it. And we needed to create content for the first leg of the tour. But the way that [00:19:00] the content was designed is it wasn’t just like I’m giving a Presentation I was like, I was writing a presentation that other people also had to be able to give. So it had to be more, uh, generic. Isn’t the right word, but I guess more adaptable. Like it was definitely one of those. [00:19:14] Brett: [00:19:14] in a box is how Oracle refers to it. [00:19:16] Christina: [00:19:16] Yeah, basically. Yeah. That’s kind of what our situation was too. And so, you know, w which changes the way you’re writing it, because if I know that if I’m the one who’s giving it, and it’s only going to be me, then I can go super dense on something and do other things. [00:19:30] But instead I’m having to write it in a different way, because it needs to be adaptable for other people and especially people in other languages. Right. Cause it. [00:19:36] might be translated, but, um, and I was volunteering to help out and I took, you know, one of the talks, which was easy to do. And then there was another one I could’ve taken, which would have been really easy for me to, to pick up on and do as well. [00:19:48] But instead, like they really needed somebody to do the Azure networking thing. And I was like, I have no clue. I don’t even know where to start. And I somehow became the content lead and the lead presenter and had to just. [00:20:00] Like go deep into the fundamentals of Azure networking. And there was just a bunch of stuff that I really didn’t understand. [00:20:07] And even after I wrote the talk and the talk was correct, but it was like, people would ask me follow-up questions and I wouldn’t know. And I didn’t know at first I then did get to know, but it was one of those things where I was like, just totally out of my band, like at burst, but it was a really good learning experience. [00:20:21] And I did it on purpose because I knew that I had no interest and that there was no way that I would ever learn anything about Azure networking if I weren’t forced to. And I’m glad I did though, to be honest, [00:20:34] Brett: [00:20:34] yeah, it sounds like educational [00:20:37] Christina: [00:20:37] Well, I mean, it’s useful in context that you might not even know. I don’t know. It’s just sometimes learning a skill when you don’t want to. I don’t know. There’s there’s value in that, not to say you will get additional value of knowing how to be able to tunnel through things and, and make stuff work. [00:20:50] Having said that once you figure it out and you document it for yourself in whatever way, you will, there will become a time. I guarantee you where you’ll be helping someone else [00:21:00] do this same thing, which will then you will then be like, okay, well this was worth it because I helped someone else go through what I was going through. [00:21:09] Brett: [00:21:09] that sounds very true. That has the ring of truth to it. Okay. Um, I need to clear the air about something. [00:21:17] Christina: [00:21:17] Was that [00:21:18] Brett: [00:21:18] Our sponsor today is an air purifier. [00:21:21]You’re welcome here all week. Um, so we’re all spending. [00:21:26] Christina: [00:21:26] The fish, [00:21:27] Brett: [00:21:27] Wait, what? Oh, try the [00:21:29] Christina: [00:21:29] the fish. [00:21:30]Brett: [00:21:30] We’re all spending a lot more time indoors, but did you know that indoor air can be up to five times worse than outdoor air? According to the EPA? That’s why molecule that’s molecule with a K is re-imagining the future of clean air, starting with the air purifier. 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[00:23:40] And using the promo code overtired, that’s $120. You can save and enjoy free shipping and a 30 day at-home trial on your order. Just use the code overtired@molecule.com. [00:23:53]Christina: [00:23:53] fantastic. [00:23:54] Brett: [00:23:54] Even shorten that rate. It felt like a, it felt like a bit of a long road. [00:23:58]Christina: [00:23:58] A little bit, a little [00:24:00] bit, but not, not too bad. [00:24:02] Brett: [00:24:02] Horrible. I’ve done worse. We, we spent 10 minutes on a sponsor once [00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Yeah, that’s true. And they were not happy about that at the, as I recall, [00:24:11] Brett: [00:24:11] or very upset if I had, if I had known I would have saved the time we would have just done the read. I really thought they were going to like that. [00:24:19] Christina: [00:24:19] you’re an overachiever. What can I say? We’re trying too much. [00:24:24]Brett: [00:24:24] Yeah. So you, uh, you had a thing on last week’s list. So we didn’t get to that. I have no idea where this goes, but, uh, my note, my note just says shit, post demand. [00:24:36] Christina: [00:24:36] Yes. This is actually a fun story. All right. So about 18 months ago when the WIWORK fiasco was happening, how, how up-to-date are you? Do you remember the WIWORK scandal? [00:24:46] Brett: [00:24:46] Uh, I remembered that I remembered it last week and I’ve already forgotten. So fill me in. [00:24:51] Christina: [00:24:51] Okay, so we work is, well, it still is, um, you know, it’s a co-working facility and it’s founder and long time [00:25:00] CEO is this guy, Adam Newman, who is, um, He’s interesting. Okay. So let me put this in perspective. So his wife’s cousin is Gwyneth Paltrow, and let’s just say that they share a lot of the same kind of new age sort of stuff, except that Newman and his wife, Rebecca Newman, good to like a whole other crazy ass level. Like it makes goop kind of look like, like child’s play to be completely honest with you. [00:25:23] Right. It kind of is. And so, um, he was, uh, ousted from the company because it was trying to go public for a long time. It wasn’t able to, for a variety of reasons, which are both interesting, but that I can’t remember. There is a documentary I believe on hula with that you could watch that goes into some of the rise and fall of this. [00:25:43] They raised like billions of dollars at this massive valuation. He was personally, you know, like stake in the company was, was worth. I don’t remember how many billions, but it was a lot. Um, and. But he would do some bananas, things like he was held [00:26:00] once. Like he insisted on flying with a bunch of weed to Israel and, uh, getting high on the plane. [00:26:07] And then there was like an arrest that happened. There was some other crazy stuff. Uh, he, uh, their mission statement for their S one started out by saying like, we are the energy of we or whatever. Like there was this just ridiculous mission statement for the aborted S one that didn’t have happen. And it was just like genuinely bonkers. [00:26:28] And so when I was recording an episode of rocket and we were recounting this for a scam town segment, uh, we have a sponsor, a domain registrar sponsored us. And so I registered the domain energy if we.com because I thought it was hilarious. And. Fast forward 18 months and somebody from domain agents, let me make sure I got that right, because I do actually want to give them props. [00:26:54] This is not sponsored in any way. I will point out, but I did work with them and I’d never worked with him before. And it was a complete, like [00:27:00] they came through my registrars, um, cloaking service and sent me a thing that said, Hey, we have somebody who’s interested in buying this domain. And the initial offer was like 300 bucks or something. [00:27:10] And I was going to negotiate that just to see if I could get it to 500. Not that I would’ve been mad at 300, but I was just curious. I forgot to do that. And then like a few days later, they automatically up their offer to five 25, which means I probably could have even asked for more. But at that point I was just like, no, I’m done. that’s fine. That’s cool. So, uh, something that I bought and then renewed because I forgot, I just had it on auto renew. So it renewed once. Um, but I just totally was total shit post thing. And I actually had it where I had the domain redirect to that episode of the podcast. And, um, I, um, just like forgot about it. [00:27:50] And, uh, it was a very nice little serendipity thing where, oh yeah, here we go. Our mission is to elevate the world’s consciousness. [00:28:00] That was like how the, how the, uh, started. But, um, it, it was just like the most ridiculous thing. Uh, like the, like their, their S one was just literally like one of the most bananas things. [00:28:11] Like our mission is to elevate the world’s consciousness. Philosophically. We believe, we believe in bringing comfort and happiness to the workplace. Um, It’s just crazy, but they call these things the energy of we, and I have no idea who bought it, what their purpose was, but somebody wanted to energy if we.com. So I sold it and I used escrow.com, which I’d never used before to sell something. And, uh, I was very impressed with the whole process. Like it went through very quickly. I got paid very quickly and happy with that. [00:28:41] Brett: [00:28:41] So you’re saying there’s a future in domain squatting. [00:28:44]Christina: [00:28:44] Well, clearly there is a as we’ve known, but I’ve never been on the other side of this. Like I’ve, I’ve never been able to, to, to take advantage of the domain um, squatting. [00:28:55] before. So I was, I was very happy about that. [00:28:59] Brett: [00:28:59] Like it’s, uh, [00:29:00] it’s kind of a futures, uh, market where if you are paying attention to pop culture and you catch [00:29:07] Christina: [00:29:07] Oh yeah. [00:29:08] Brett: [00:29:08] and you have the money to put down on the domains, especially the, the non.com TLDs, you could probably, you could probably make it like a whole investment kind of thing. [00:29:21] Christina: [00:29:21] Oh, yeah. And I think people do. Um, I think we’d actually talked about this a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about some of the DNS ways that people have been able to, um, get over things with internal networks, like Microsoft had to buy domain, um, uh, or Corp Corp com. That’s what they had to buy. [00:29:36] They had to buy the Corp com domain because people were the guy who, who owned it, wanted to sell it and was because it was such a big, you know, honeypot potentially for people to take over and do bad things for people. Who’ve had, you know, misconfigured, uh, exchange servers and SharePoint servers that Microsoft who, I don’t know how much they had to pay. [00:29:55] I don’t think they paid what the guy wanted, but I’m sure they paid no more than [00:30:00] they wanted to pay. I have no insight into that incidentally, but they did the right thing. [00:30:04] anyway. Yeah. [00:30:05] I’m sure that if squatting on it, you can. I do well there, it’s weird. I know I can work some weird ways when it comes to like trademark enforcement and other stuff. [00:30:14] And there are certain people who can get domains taken away. And if you have more money to fight things, then you can do it better. And, and there have been, um, especially for, uh, more generic terms like that can be a difficult thing to do. There’ve been interesting lawsuits about that, but Yeah, [00:30:29] I mean, this was just literally just cause I buy shit post domains all the time and, and sometimes I renew them sometimes they don’t, but I would say I actually did not make any money. [00:30:37] If you counted all the money, I’ve wasted on domains over the years, the five 25, I paid, like I may be broke even maybe, but probably not, but it was still fun for me because I totally forgotten that I even had it. And I was like, okay, cool. [00:30:51] Brett: [00:30:51] I own markdown.rocks [00:30:54] Christina: [00:30:54] Oh, that’s good. [00:30:55] Brett: [00:30:55] one has ever asked me for it. [00:30:57] Christina: [00:30:57] I also owned [00:31:00] failed.dev, which I think is good. Right. [00:31:02] Brett: [00:31:02] I see a lot of potential for that. [00:31:04] Christina: [00:31:04] I see, I don’t know what I’m going to do with it yet. Uh, listeners, please give me your suggestions because I do want to do something fun with that. [00:31:10] but I have failed.dev. Uh, I have some other fun ones, but that’s probably the most fun one that I have. Um, [00:31:16]Brett: [00:31:16] There’s a Twitter account called shit user stories. Have you ever read those [00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] yeah, I have, yeah. [00:31:23] Brett: [00:31:23] I’ll link that for anyone who’s looking for a good time? Um, yeah, like I have a whole bunch of domains that no one will ever ask for, but I had like at some point clever ideas for, and then like, you know, the year the renewal comes up and you’re like, well, I could let it go because I’ve never done a damn thing with it. [00:31:43] Or I could just give myself another year for, you know, 15 bucks, 20 bucks I’ll. And so I’ve just hung onto this. Maybe. I think I have maybe at 50, 50 domains, that’s not excessive by some standards, but it’s, that’s, that’s [00:32:00] easily a hundred bucks. I’m paying just to keep the ideas alive. [00:32:04] Christina: [00:32:04] No, I have the same problem and okay, actually, this, this is a good segue because this is an idea that I’ve had for years, an app used to already exist that did this, and it doesn’t anymore. It was sold. And then it was kind of abandoned and there are some other people who have done some things, but it should be relatively simple. [00:32:19] And it’s, it’s a project I’ve wanted to kind of do for a while. Now, where do you remember the, the app domain? Um, uh, domain brain. [00:32:27] Brett: [00:32:27] all right. That’s ringing a bell. Yes. [00:32:30] Christina: [00:32:30] Okay. So one of the [00:32:31] Brett: [00:32:31] yeah. I do remember that. Totally. [00:32:33] Christina: [00:32:33] yeah, so one of the guys from icon factory did it originally and it was like this it’s very simple. It’s just a database app that has all of your domain names, your passwords when the things expire web server details, if that was associated, which was really nice. Cause the thing is, is that my domains are spread across three different registrars. [00:32:52] Well, four, technically most of them are with Namecheap, but a few of them are with Yeah. [00:32:57] a couple oh five then hover Google domains, [00:33:00] because for things like.dev, you had to. Um, I have a few with pork blend because some of theirs were just cheaper. Um, and then my christina.is, which is a domain that I, I very much use. [00:33:12] I had to register that with an Icelandic. Um, uh, I, uh, the registrar, like, like that’s who I have to do to us through. So sometimes I forget like what domains I own and like, which one is on, like I, in a perfect world, I would have them all with one registrar, but sometimes the price variances are not minor. [00:33:31] And when you were talking about, you know, 50 to 70 domains, like that can add up over time, right. [00:33:38] Like it just, it, especially if you are sitting on project ideas and even if you’re doing nothing with them, it’s just one of those things. So I’ve wanted for a long time to just kind of. Basically steal the idea of what, you know, domain brain was, but, but maybe not even have all the features, but maybe have more, maybe have less whatever, but just have like a nice like database of just where I can [00:34:00] just keep track of all the domains that I buy and, and an ideal world, the way it would work is that I could sign in with registrars and it would support other registrars, you know, uh, for, for other people and automatically use those API keys or whatever to suck in what you have. [00:34:13] So you wouldn’t even have to go through the manual process of entering them in each time, although you could, but like, if you, you know, it’d be, to me, it’d be like better if I could just like do it a sync process, because most of the registrars do have APIs so that you could, you know, get access to see, you know, what you have. [00:34:31] Um, so there, you know, in theory you could, you could do all this. And the only reason I I’m, I’m feeling like I have to do this myself is that I’ve like looked and there just isn’t anything that does really what I want that to do. Um, and th that doesn’t have a user interface out of like [00:34:49]Brett: [00:34:49] windows XP. [00:34:51] Christina: [00:34:51] Right, right. [00:34:52] Right. Or like 2006 or whatever. And, you know, and I, it could be a web app. It doesn’t really need to be, this would honestly, I was thinking about it when I was [00:35:00] kind of like drawing out, like what I would want. I’ve wanted to kind of build an electronic app for a while, even though I know people should on electron, I feel like it’d be interesting to learn more JavaScript and to, I don’t know, it feels like this would be a simple crud app idea to do with electron, but I don’t know. [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] Yeah. W the so past tense, you want to know what my favorite domain I had was [00:35:21] Christina: [00:35:21] Yes, I do. [00:35:22] Brett: [00:35:22] it was down rabbit holes with the dot E S. [00:35:26] Christina: [00:35:26] Oh, that’s, that’s good. [00:35:28] Brett: [00:35:28] the dot E S TLD is too expensive to keep. If you’re not actually doing something with the site, it was going to be like my place where I posted all of my projects that maybe didn’t end, like, so on my blog, I generally try to finish a project and make it usable by as many people as possible before I post it. [00:35:49] But I have all of these, like, I’ll spend a weekend playing with an idea that doesn’t go anywhere, but I learned a lot on the way. So I was going to use down rabbit holes to like post [00:36:00] my failed mad science experiments, but I didn’t. [00:36:04]Christina: [00:36:04] I like that. I like that, but yeah, I’m trying to think of what my favorite was. Um, okay. My favorite was, and this was a really good idea. This was an idea that I actually should have probably quit my job and dedicated towards taking a Y Combinator or something, because ironically, after I’d had the idea and after I bought the domain, a number of different companies tried to do the same thing and did get into Y Combinator and did get a bunch of VC funding. [00:36:27] And the way I wanted to do it, I still think was better. I don’t know if I would have been any more successful than either of them were, but the, the, my concept I think, was better. I just didn’t know if I wanted to dedicate my life to this. And now I feel like I missed an opportunity to at least make some money or have an exit of some sort. [00:36:43] Um, so. When I was living in New York, especially like we had like delivery laundry service because we didn’t have, um, laundry in the building and dragging, you know, lots of, you know, pounds of laundry. Like even a few blocks is not a great experience. So, [00:37:00] you know, we’d call like the local place and they would do it. [00:37:02] But my idea was like, I wanted like an Uber for laundry delivery and, and the idea is, is less needed now, although it would have been interesting during COVID times, uh, to for certain people, um, just because a lot of laundry services are online, but. At this point there weren’t. And so I kind of wanted a hybrid between seamless and Uber for laundry delivery. [00:37:21] So the idea would be we’d contact a local place and they would use their delivery systems. Some of the other companies that did try to do this made the mistake of hiring their own drivers. And, and my thought was no, most of these services already have their own driver networks. Let them use that. And don’t, you know, do that, just, just be more of like the, what seamless was originally seamless now does have their own drivers. [00:37:42] But historically they’d worked with at least originally like, um, in New York and places like that, like they’d worked with places that had their own delivery networks. And, you know, just contact all the process of being able to get your laundry done. But in my idea was like you could specialize, if you had special requests, how you [00:38:00] wanted things done. [00:38:00] If you wanted, you know, things separated, if you wanted, like, if they offered different pressing services or other stuff, you could pay upsells for that. And then, you know, do it all on the app. And the, the domain, the idea was, uh, that I would call it launder.me. And so it was L a U N D R, which granted this was like a decade ago. [00:38:18] So made more sense then, but launder.me. And, and I don’t know, I, I had that domain for awhile and I still feel like that was a really clever idea, but also a really good domain name. [00:38:29] Brett: [00:38:29] you to hear another story, [00:38:30] Christina: [00:38:30] I do. [00:38:31] Brett: [00:38:31] will be short. Um, so I don’t know if you remember marquee my, uh, web service that it was like an API that you could use to turn web pages into markdown. [00:38:42] Christina: [00:38:42] I do. I remember Marquis. [00:38:44] Brett: [00:38:44] And so the main domain for it was, uh, still is, but it’s broken right now. Um, markdown rules.com. And when you go there, it gives you a choice between, um, I like to swear, [00:39:00] or I like to talk like Sarah Pailin and w depending on which one you click, it either takes you to fuck ya markdown.com or it takes you to heck yes, markdown.com. [00:39:13] And [00:39:13] Christina: [00:39:13] Oh, that’s so good. [00:39:14] Brett: [00:39:14] both run out of the same directory, but I used basically a localization system. So it detects which domain it’s on and delivers different strings based on the domain. Which is fun because like I could write, you know, like this is fucking great on, on one and heck yes. I sure love this on the other one. [00:39:37] And it would just translate for whichever domain was viewing it. I thought it was pretty clever. I really should fix murky. I get a lot of emails about that. Still wondering why it doesn’t work. [00:39:49]Christina: [00:39:49] Yeah. you should either fix it or you should like make it clear that it’s not working anymore. [00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] Yeah. I’ve never deprecated an API [00:40:00] before. I’ve never sunset an API. I don’t know how I do know how I’ve [00:40:04] Christina: [00:40:04] You do know [00:40:05] Brett: [00:40:05] many times. [00:40:06] Christina: [00:40:06] I was going to say you watch it happen You, you say thank you for your support over the years. We’re not. Yeah. [00:40:12] Brett: [00:40:12] Thank you for using my free service and then complaining about it. [00:40:16] Christina: [00:40:16] Right. [00:40:17] Brett: [00:40:17] Yeah, there there’s a new, uh, there’s a new node based, sir. I can’t remember what it’s called now, but there’s basically someone made Marquis and they made it into, uh, uh, like self hosted API. And like, they weren’t inspired by Marcie. I’m sure they did this entirely on their own, but I really think that I could probably replace marquee with this node application actually revive it. [00:40:48] People, people liked it. People, people enjoyed it. [00:40:51]Christina: [00:40:51] If you wanted to, I say you could revive it, but also if you don’t have the bandwidth, if you don’t want to do it, I feel like the right thing to do is to at least [00:41:00] update the page so that people, if they do run across it, know why it’s not working. I mean, they’ll figure it. [00:41:05] out, but [00:41:06] Brett: [00:41:06] I could convert it to be about how much I love mark down. Just a static page, about how much I love markdown and call it the former home of marquee, the markdown on a fire. My kitten, who is now a young cat. She has grown a lot, but behind my monitor is a mess of cables. And to be fair, I have spent over a hundred dollars on cable ties and, uh, uh, double-stick tape and, and larger power strips that can be mounted under my, like, I’m going to take care of this. [00:41:41] But as of right now, it’s a nest of cables behind my displays. And the kitten has found that the power strip there keeps things just a little warm. So she digs into the cables. I posted a picture to Instagram this morning. She just like ness [00:42:00] in the cables and it looks, uh, yes, I am a little concerned. [00:42:03] She’ll get electrocuted, but she D she doesn’t like fiddle with the power strip or anything. I will, I will fix the issue. My cat will not be toasted, but right now it’s kind of adorable. [00:42:15]Christina: [00:42:15] that is very cute. [00:42:17]Brett: [00:42:17] Also I got, so I have gone through four different cough buttons since I switched to XLR microphones, because with an XLR mic, you can no longer use things like shush on your Mac. And then I had a power mute, uh, like foot pedal. That was really great with my last microphone. But then when I got the pod mic, the power mute caused a hum. [00:42:44] So I switched to the rules, Mike switch, and it, it pads the volume, but it doesn’t give you a complete cutoff. So I finally found the solution. I got a rolls push to talk XLR, a B [00:43:00] switch, and you can just leave the B output empty. So when you, when you hit the big sturdy button, it switches from a to the empty channel, completely cuts off the mic, like completely disconnects it and you can cough and laugh and, and snicker and do whatever you need to do off the mic. [00:43:18] And then just flip it back. Plus it has a light to show you when you’re, when you’re hot. [00:43:23] Christina: [00:43:23] oh, this is nice. [00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] Yeah, I, [00:43:26] Christina: [00:43:26] Should link linked to that because does it only work with the, with, does it only work with the pod Mike or [00:43:31] Brett: [00:43:31] Oh, no, no. It’s, it’s an XLR switch. It’ll work with any XLR setup. [00:43:36] Christina: [00:43:36] Okay. Cause I like this idea because I’m still finalizing my setup that I already spent money on months and months ago, but that’s a whole other story. But when I finally get that configured, the way I want it to, that would be nice, both for professional, but also for work purposes, because sometimes I would very much like to, other than relying on the mute button, which can be problematic. [00:43:57] I would very much like to know that I’m just not [00:44:00] connected and, and that way, if I need to curse or whatever. [00:44:04] Brett: [00:44:04] What happens to me on zoom is I’ll go on mute because I’m not like an active part of whatever meeting and I’ll, I’ll, I’ll have other windows open. I’ll be listening in the background. And then someone will ask me a question and I have to scramble to get back to zoom and find the mute button. So I can respond to a question. [00:44:22] Now I just leave myself. Un-muted on zoom and just hit this button on my desk and I can see right away that I am muted or un-muted. And when someone asks me a question, I just reach over to my right. Click a button and talk. It’s nice. It is nice. [00:44:38] Christina: [00:44:38] And then, yeah, you don’t have any of the weird things too, where people are, you know, and I’m sure this really, everybody listening can relate to this, but where somebody starts talking, you hear nothing and everyone starts screaming. You’re on mute. [00:44:49] Brett: [00:44:49] yep. Uh, w if you work in a corporation that has been doing zoom meetings for a year, people are pretty good about waiting [00:45:00] for one person to say, you’re on mute. Like, usually there’s like a hierarchy to who talks in a meeting. Um, so you don’t get everyone screaming all at once, but yes, I’ve definitely experienced the, the, uh, the cacophony of Juran mutes. [00:45:16] Christina: [00:45:16] Yeah. I mean, even if you, I mean, I don’t know, it’s like one of those things, I definitely work at a corporation that has been on teams, zoom, whatever a lot. And the cacophony has gotten better, but it still happens. And it’s certainly still one of those things where yeah, you’ll, it’ll just come out regardless. [00:45:31] You have like the, the spongy and people either typing or saying or whatever. Yeah. Um, that that’s been an interesting thing to observe, but yeah. Then you don’t have to worry about that because you just have the button, I guess then the only thing would be to let people know, like, don’t you mean manually? [00:45:48] I got this. [00:45:50] Brett: [00:45:50] Okay. Yeah. Well, w if you do that mute all thing, you don’t really have a choice, but [00:45:55] Christina: [00:45:55] And if you do that, that’s fine. Cause then they can unmute all or whatever, but you still don’t have to go through [00:46:00] the process of, of having to find the button when you’re in another tab and on another screen. And, uh, cause that’s frustrating because a lot of times like the way the button will appear, you know, I’m watching things, but I don’t have my own access to my controls, you know? [00:46:14] So I’ve got to like pull it up and pull up a different part of the Chrome, you know, stuff to even be able to unmute myself, which, which is the problem [00:46:22]Brett: [00:46:22] Did I mention errands vocabulary, my coworker, [00:46:26] Christina: [00:46:26] you did not, [00:46:27] Brett: [00:46:27] Oh my God. Like I, I have a good vocabulary. The first thing people tell me after they meet me is I was impressed with your vocabulary. Like it’s not, it’s not shoddy. I know, I know a lot of words, but she, I have to use a dictionary sometimes when, when I read her stuff, because she knows words that I have never heard before. [00:46:52] And she is very well-spoken and it is very intimidating. [00:46:57]Christina: [00:46:57] Nice. [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] feel out, out, [00:47:00] out. Outclassed. It’s good. She’s she’s super nice though. [00:47:05] Christina: [00:47:05] That’s awesome. Well, props to you, Erin, for having better vocabulary than, than Brett. I like that. What’s a, what was the word that you had to look up? I’m just kidding. [00:47:12] Brett: [00:47:12] Oh, there was one yesterday that meant, uh, three parts. I I’ve already forgotten it. It didn’t sink in yet. It was true. Try something. Uh, no, no, it was not a word you’ve heard it. I swear. It was a, a weird word. Like absolutely. It was in the dictionary, but I had never heard it before. [00:47:34] Christina: [00:47:34] So, so what we’re saying is Aaron is a hell of a Scrabble player. [00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Oh, I bet. I bet. Uh, so I play, uh, letterpress still with, uh, with Al and Al is very patient with just trying letter combinations until it accepts it. and we’ll like, we’ll like leave a perfectly good word because she thinks she could use two more letters if she just keeps trying every [00:48:00] possible combination. [00:48:01] And, and she wins that way because I don’t have that kind of patience. Um, I don’t know why that just came to mind. Oh yeah. Vocabularies. [00:48:11] Christina: [00:48:11] Yeah. That’s cool. Yeah. I’m I’m okay. It’s weird. Like I’m uh, I’m. I have a, I think I have a very good vocabulary. Uh, I don’t think mine is as good as Aaron, but I have a very good vocabulary. I’m not great. I’m not terrible at Scrabble, but I’m not like great at Scrabble. And I don’t know if it’s because I don’t always know the right spelling of things or what, but, uh, I can get my ass kicked handily by people. [00:48:37] Like when I used to play Scrabble online or whatever, I would get my ass kicked sometimes when people who I went to high school with, and I’m like, I know, I know Jody that you were like a burnout stoner and not in like a I’m I’m too good for this kind of smart kind of like Kurt Cobain kind of way. But in a, in a, like, like you were like a legit, like stoner, stoner, like, like, like, [00:49:00] you know, uh, Sean Penn from fast times at Ridgemont high, uh, kind of way, right. [00:49:04] Like, you know, so, and you’re like kicking my ass and I’m like, okay, well, Lesson learned there. [00:49:13] Brett: [00:49:13] Yeah. Yeah. I haven’t played Scrabble enough to know if I’m any good at it, but I do like letterpress [00:49:20]Christina: [00:49:20] Yeah. I like letterpress [00:49:21] too. I haven’t played that in a while now. I kinda want to play that, but that’s not one of those games that I can play while doing other things, because I have to say [00:49:27]Brett: [00:49:27] stop playing with me. And I don’t know if people just got bored or if I was winning too much or. If I wasn’t winning an, I don’t know, but all of my friends dropped off and I had to like cut Joel ELL into playing letterpress with me cause I really enjoy it. And nobody else will John Gruber beat me by playing the word fuck off, which I did not. [00:49:52] I did not realize was a real word. And I wasn’t sure if I should take it personally that he ended the game with fuck off, [00:50:00] but apparently fuck off is a word and you can use it to win at letterpress. And it was, it was epic. Like I gotta hand it [00:50:07] Christina: [00:50:07] That’s so good. I [00:50:09] Brett: [00:50:09] the word to win on. I was amazed. [00:50:12]Christina: [00:50:12] honestly, very, very good. And I’m actually very happy to, to know that that was there. Cause that’s actually really funny. [00:50:20]Brett: [00:50:20] Keep that in your back pocket. So when the board comes up, that has all the requisite letters in it, you can play that and look like a God. [00:50:30]Christina: [00:50:30] That sounds good. [00:50:32] Brett: [00:50:32] All right. Should we call it? [00:50:34]Christina: [00:50:34] you should call it. I was going to try to think We, had anything else we could stress to get to our hour. This is a weird show. We both had busy weeks and um, uh, so sorry for listeners for that. We’ll be back to normal next week, but yeah, I think we should probably call it. [00:50:47] Brett: [00:50:47] We, we can’t promise that things could be even weirder next week. [00:50:50] Christina: [00:50:50] Well, I’m not going to be in another state and coming off of, like, I know for me, my situation is not going to be as weird. So at [00:51:00] least one of [00:51:00] Brett: [00:51:00] I’m no guarantee. [00:51:02] Christina: [00:51:02] you have no guarantee. [00:51:03] and that’s completely fine. It’s just like, both of us are off when we’re both off. Like, because usually when one of us is off, the other one can compensate. [00:51:09] This is a situation where like we’re both off. Uh, also, uh, I, I, don’t know. Um, actually, let me ask you this because I can’t remember when you guys did all of your sit-com rewashes did you rewatch friends where you yay or nay and friends? I can’t [00:51:22] Brett: [00:51:22] I, I really don’t have, I saw, I watched all the friends once I not interested in going back nor in the reunion. [00:51:31] Christina: [00:51:31] Okay. Cause I, I’ve been meaning to watch the reunion came out yesterday. I haven’t had a chance to watch it and I’m going to try to watch it sometime like today or tomorrow, but I didn’t know if, if you and Elle were going to watch the reunion or not. [00:51:41] Brett: [00:51:41] I, I highly doubt it. Uh, L has surprised me lately. She there’s this show like everything we’re rock watching right now is on peacock. It’s the one streaming service that I have, like no guilt about paying for it, because like, um, right now we’re going through, uh, parks and rec [00:52:00] and Brooklyn nine, nine, and Rushford falls. [00:52:03] And, and, uh, I’m starting onto that. Girl’s five Abba’s show, but I’m doing that without her. She lost interest and I lost interest in the show called resident alien. It seemed like a really shitty show to me, but she kept at it and she says that she fell in love with it before the season ended. So I, I might give it another shot. [00:52:27] I got enough to do though. [00:52:29] Christina: [00:52:29] Yeah, this is the hard thing [00:52:31] Brett: [00:52:31] Friends is not currently on our list. [00:52:34] Christina: [00:52:34] Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Uh, I, cause I, I don’t know, I haven’t even kept up with the Twitter, like a discourse. I’m sure everybody’s going to claim. They hated it. Even though like you’re all liars, it’s kind of like the Hamilton thing. Like there were so many bad Hamilton takes after Hamilton came to Disney plus, and I was like, where the fuck were you all five years ago, genuinely. [00:52:52] Like, it was like, I had a real question last summer. I was like, this is all been debated over and over and over and over and over and over [00:53:00] again. So I’m kind of anticipating that same sense of just exhaustion for any of the friends discourse. It’s like, yes, we all know How problematic the show was in some ways. [00:53:08] And another way is you’re frankly being too precious about it, like get over it. It was a sitcom, the big bang theory in my opinion, far more problematic, uh, and, uh, you know, went on for a similar length of time and, um, People for whatever reason, still love the fucking young Sheldon show. Like it got us spinoff weird as hell is that as which I’ve never seen and will never see, like I hate myself. [00:53:33] Brett: [00:53:33] how I met your mother. There holds the record for me for the most problematic show that I somehow didn’t see as problematic when it was on [00:53:40]Christina: [00:53:40] Yeah. I would agree with [00:53:42] Brett: [00:53:42] of the amount of rape insinuation in that show is mind boggling. [00:53:48] Christina: [00:53:48] whatevers. Also Ted is a gross guy, like, like, and we talked about it some when it was out, but we kind of, for whatever reason would ignore it. And it’s like, Ted is gross. There’s nothing redeemable about [00:54:00] Ted. Ted is a gross guy. Ted is like a weirdo who you understand why, you know, he, he can’t find this quote unquote soulmate or whatever. [00:54:10] And then the ending, the ending, which was just, I think the worst sit-com Indian of all time, [00:54:15] Brett: [00:54:15] I have erased the ending from my mind. And when we decided to go back and watch it again, we realized so quickly that it was problematic enough that we couldn’t actually in good conscience, keep going. So I have, I never got to the ending and I’ve forgotten what happens. Don’t tell me don’t spoil it. I’ll never get there. [00:54:34]Christina: [00:54:34] Yeah. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s easily one of the worst, um, TV endings ever. And it’s, and it’s, uh, not in a good way. Like sometimes you have like the surprise endings that are fun, like, like, uh, you know, the new heart with him waking up with his wife and the Bob Newhart show or, um, what was it? Um, uh, The hospital one. [00:54:55] Fuck. I can’t think of the name of it. Um, St. Elsewhere. No, St. Elsewhere St. Elsewhere where it turned [00:55:00] out. The whole thing was like, the whole series was like in like the mind of the autistic kid and, uh, which was kinda cool. And there. [00:55:07] there’ve been some other ones, like where you’ve had, like these really kind of like flippant, like kind of weird kind of like funny kind of innings. [00:55:13] This was not that this was like red conning, an entire relationship that was on the show for a long time, completely changing the nature of things. And it was just, it was not, it was not good. And they hadn’t a reason to do it the way that they did it. Um, but yeah, it was just bad. Like the, the, yeah, it was one of those things where even the diehard and I had stopped watching the show years previously and when I saw the ending and I was just like, it was like, are you fucking kidding me really, really to this point now that when people bring up how I met your mother and, and even any other stuff, cause it just didn’t age. [00:55:44] Well, but even putting all that aside, I’m like, yeah, after the ending, it kind of ruined my ability to ever go back and watch it again, to be honest, [00:55:52] Brett: [00:55:52] Now, now it sounds so morbidly bad. That I’m almost curious if I should just go back and watch the last episode. [00:55:58] Christina: [00:55:58] You should you absolutely [00:56:00] should. Uh, you should like watch like the last 10 minute, like last five minutes, I guess, because it’s really wow. [00:56:07] Brett: [00:56:07] Okay. Wow. We said we were going to quit and then pop culture happened, [00:56:12] Christina: [00:56:12] And then pop culture happened [00:56:14] Brett: [00:56:14] like sure. Nineties pop culture, but still pop culture. [00:56:17] Christina: [00:56:17] no, that was arts pop culture. Thank you. [00:56:20] Brett: [00:56:20] Was it really? [00:56:21] Christina: [00:56:21] Yes. It wasn’t. The show came out in like 2004, 2005. Yeah, [00:56:25] Brett: [00:56:25] It all seems so long ago to me. [00:56:27] Christina: [00:56:27] no, that’s I think why, why makes the problematic aspects of that much funnier? Because it was like a modern show. Like it’s friends, you can at least say. And back then people did comment on the fact that they had no black friends and they even had the, the show itself even had to comment on that. [00:56:41] Right. And that their apartments were the wrong sizes and all that stuff. And some of the other issues like that stuff was all well-trodden territory. Uh, even when the show was on the air, but some of the stuff, I think people go back and in retrospect, I’m like, okay, now you’re really just being ridiculous because these were things that were very standard of every sitcom of the era. [00:56:58] And the reason friends [00:57:00] gets a disproportionate amount of the hate. In my opinion, are two reasons. One, the show was so beloved and so huge and so massive that, of course, there’s going to be a backlash to anything that is that popular and that. Maintains weird popularity amongst younger people who are not even alive, like when it went on the air the first time, sometimes even people who weren’t even on the air weren’t even alive when it went off the air, you know, it maintains one of those things. [00:57:22] I mean, I contend that it is, I think that the real answer to this is that the big bang theory is the last great American sitcom. But I think that friends is at least for me the one, because it is the big bang theory. That is the correct answer. That is the, that is the answer, even if I don’t want it to be, but it is one of the last great American sitcoms and, and you will never have a show like it again, and you’ll never have a show like big bang theory again, either. [00:57:45] It’s just those things won’t happen again. Culturally, um, friends, I think maybe more than big bang, there were, uh, like Korean and, and I think some other like international versions of a big bang theory, but it wasn’t, it didn’t resonate the same way. Whereas you had [00:58:00] foreign version of friends that went on for a long time and you even had like the UK version of friends then. [00:58:06] Became like Trice. They tried to then bring it back to the U S as another show too. And that didn’t work, but a coupling. [00:58:12] but, um, [00:58:14]Brett: [00:58:14] coupling. [00:58:16] Christina: [00:58:16] yeah, I, I did too, but, but coupling was making a mistake. It was a, it was a UK friends rip off. And in my, my point being like, like friends, like was this big cultural phenomenon, uh, you know, on kind of another level. [00:58:26] And so that means it’s going to get a much bigger proportion of backlash from people who were like, oh, well, people talk about it. And it was overrated and this and that. And was it, yes, it was a read it even at the time, Seinfeld and other shows were better news radio, which debuted about the same time, highly superior show on NBC. [00:58:44] But news radio is a much more niche audience and is never going to be that big, you know, like everybody can watch this thing. It’s just, it’s different. But so some of it, I get why that happens. And the other thing though, is that it’s just like, but it annoys me. I get why people do a [00:59:00] bit, but it annoys me because I look at something like. [00:59:02] How I met your mother, which debuted in a time when a lot of the things they were insinuating and doing were not okay. And yet we laughed and I remember being somewhat uncomfortable with some of it, but also sort of like, just accepting that it was a thing, but it wasn’t as if rape culture was an acceptable thing in 2005, because it wasn’t, it’s just for whatever reason that show got away with it, because it was, it wasn’t Indy, but it was indeed enough. [00:59:29] It was like, you know, it was one of those shows That like, yeah, it debuted in 2005. And so it, it was one of the first CBS at coms that wasn’t, um, like, uh, you know, everybody loves Raymond or any of that bullshit. So, you know, and they, they played, they had decent music and, and had some actors like, like Jason Siegel and, and, and stuff that the people liked. [00:59:50] And so, I don’t know, I feel like people gave it a pass even at the time more than, than they should have. But now I want another five minutes. [00:59:58] Brett: [00:59:58] That was we, we, [01:00:00] okay. So I told Aaron that she, it w it would, it might take a while, but she would get to experience your depth of knowledge. And you just, you just brought it. You, you just did some classic Christina shit there. This is why I got a mute button. You get gone. And I just, I click it and I just, I just let you, I’ll let you go. [01:00:19] Christina: [01:00:19] Uh, [01:00:21] Brett: [01:00:21] All right, well, I’m sure you’re worn out. [01:00:25] Christina: [01:00:25] I am that. I’m going to go hang with the baby. Thank you. Thank you. But you Get some sleep. [01:00:28] Do you have a great weekend? [01:00:29] Brett: [01:00:29] Bye. [01:00:30] Bye.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] I’m Brett Terpstra. I’m here with Christina Warren and you are listening to overtired. See, I did it a little bit out of order, but I still pulled it off. I’m getting way better at this. [00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] Totally getting better at this. [00:00:11] It’s actually very, very good. How are you Brett? [00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] How many years have we been doing this? Now? [00:00:18] Christina: [00:00:18] Seven. [00:00:20] Brett: [00:00:20] It took me way too long to figure out how to do intros. [00:00:27] Christina: [00:00:27] I mean, in fairness to me, we did have like, we were consistent and then we weren’t [00:00:32] Brett: [00:00:32] Yeah, there was a couple years in there for me to get rusty. Again, we have, we’re more consistent now than we ever have been. [00:00:42] Christina: [00:00:42] I know it’s, it’s actually pretty great. [00:00:45] Brett: [00:00:45] Yeah. Yeah, no, I, uh, this is, uh, a regular part of my weekend. I enjoy it. So how’s your mental health this week? Let’s just jump right into it. Like regular segments. How are you doing. [00:00:57] Christina: [00:00:57] I’m doing. [00:00:58] pretty well. I’m tired, [00:01:00] um, is early as I’m recording this, but, um, cause we had to make some adjustments for your job, which completely great. Like I have no problem with that at all. Um, but I am, I’m, I’m a little bit tired, but I’m okay. Um, I’m a little frazzled this week and next week because Microsoft build is next week. [00:01:18] And so I’ve got all this stuff that I have to do. All of these things have been promised for and stuff that I’ve got to get ready. Cause I’m hosting next week. And there, like all these side projects that happen and on the one hand, like that can be stressful. But on the other hand, it’s almost like easier not to focus on other externalities that might be, you know, not because you’re just busy. [00:01:40] Brett: [00:01:40] Sure. Yeah. Like throw yourself into your work kind of thing. [00:01:44] Christina: [00:01:44] Yeah. Basically like, yeah. When, when you’re so busy, you can’t really like focus on anything else, but yeah, I I’m. Okay. Um, I, uh, you know, I was, I was home with my family for 10 days and I didn’t, it is weird because I want to, I want to preface this by saying I [00:02:00] would never move back home. Like that would never be a thing, but it, it, it has been like, you know, it was really nice seeing everybody, and it was really hard to leave and, and that, it was like the first time that it was like really difficult for me to leave. [00:02:12] And, um, I’m actually going back at the end of next week for the Memorial day weekend. Uh, so, uh, cause I need to get my airline status anyway. So, uh, you know, might as well, but, um, but Grant’s going to go with me, um, on that trip, but yeah, it was, it was harder for me to, to leave than I thought that it would be. [00:02:34] And, uh, that surprised me. [00:02:36] Brett: [00:02:36] How was flying? [00:02:38] Christina: [00:02:38] It was fine. Um, you know, everybody wears a mask. I should preface this by saying that I used upgrade certificates in my status. Got me one of the ways upgraded without using one. So I was in first class, but the planes that I was taking because of how they’ve rearranged routes and stuff, um, well, they, they sometimes have these planes configured, even pre [00:03:00] COVID, but it’s the, it’s the business class flights. [00:03:03] So it was like the international planes. So your first class seat is like a lay flat seat rather than the typical thing. Well, yeah, I purposely book those flights for that reason. Um, because you pay the same amount of money for first class and you could either be sitting in like a shitty chair where you have a little bit more leg room or like a private, you know, full thing. [00:03:27] Um, so. If the scheduling works. I always, if I’m going to Atlanta or New York, um, I always like look for those things and I was trying to book this flight, but, um, the, the flying itself was fine. Um, so the reason I prefaced it with that was because I was in my own little cocoon area. So like I have a mask on, which is annoying, cause my makes my rosacea act up, but you know, where, whatever, and I’m in my own little like space, I don’t know what it would have been like, you know, [00:04:00] normal stuff. [00:04:01] Um, but the flight out was not busy because it was a red eye. The flight back was packed and both airports were packed and. Yeah, I don’t, I don’t know. Like that still feels weird. The other thing, so it was weird. Cause like the airport and stuff like feels like it’s back to normal, even though we know things aren’t back to normal, but then they won’t give you a blanket or a pillow or actual food on the airplane and the lounge is restricted. [00:04:33] So, you know, like there’s this weird half-measures so it was like one of those things where like, you kind of feel like you’re back to normal, but then you’re reminded of all the ways you’re not right. So that’s kind of a weird thing, but I mean, it was fine. I’m, I’m double Vaxxed. I’m not concerned about any of that. [00:04:50] I trust the vaccines and at a certain point we’re going to have to get out in, you know, the open anyway, right? Like not everybody, I guess, but most of us are going to have [00:05:00] to. Did you do that anyway? So I’m, I’m not super concerned that way, but it was, I guess, slightly disconcerting given the numbers, what we know that vaccination numbers are just to see so many people at the airport and traveling like, [00:05:20] Brett: [00:05:20] Yeah, because you’d know that not everyone there is [00:05:24] Christina: [00:05:24] exactly, exactly. And, and I’m, I’m on this weird thing. I don’t want to go on a whole rant on this, but I am curious about your thoughts and I want to hear about your mental health updates stuff. Like I’m not necessarily in favor of like, I don’t love the idea of like digital, like passport vaccination passports in the sense that I, I want like, you know, a government mandated like list, but at the same time, It does bother me that no one is checking those [00:06:00] things. [00:06:00] Like, I feel like there’s a middle ground. Like for instance, when you travel to certain countries, you have to show that you’ve been vaccinated. Now they don’t have a database that they’re checking up against. But, but they’re at least looking for proof that, that you have that. And the fact that that’s not even happening, I don’t love, right. [00:06:18] Like I, I’m not saying that I want in our country. And it was some countries which are not, America are fine with having government databases of people’s vaccination records. And I don’t trust the us government, uh, to, to be secure with that stuff. Just don’t be, we are the United States of America. We are not Korea. [00:06:35] We are not Singapore. We are not like other places. Like that’s, that’s not who we are as a country for better or for worse. But that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be at least trying to enforce or have people show proof that they’ve been vaccinated. You know what I mean? Even if people were able to fake it, like that requires a level of, of [00:07:00] malice and a forethought for someone to go through that process of baking a certificate, you know? [00:07:04] Brett: [00:07:04] Yeah, especially for something they could just do for free. [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] Exactly, exactly. Like, like, I just, I, I, it just, it just, it’s, it’s interesting to me that like, to go to Brazil and to come back from Brazil, I have to be vaccinated against number of things. But with COVID like some countries do want proof of it, but in the United States, they’re just like, yeah, whatever. [00:07:28] Brett: [00:07:28] Well, uh, the, the fact that the CDC guidelines are entirely an honor system. Uh, it doesn’t work because the people who are most likely to not be vaccinated are the people who would most likely, uh, stop wearing their masks anyway, like it, the, the crossover there isn’t such that people are going to feel bad that they didn’t get back to native and, and do the right thing. [00:07:58] Christina: [00:07:58] No, I mean, I think, I think the [00:08:00] thing that like, Makes up all apart. Cause I do feel like in some cases, in some societies you might be able to rely on an honor system maybe a little bit more than, than what you would, um, in America. But we don’t think the rules apply to us like collectively as a culture. [00:08:20] Like we just don’t and, and I can even feel that way about myself with certain things, not for stuff like fascinations, but with other smaller things. And you’re like, ah, whatever, I whatever, you know? Um, so it’s like this weird thing where, you know, in, in all places for the honor system not to work because in some places the honor system I think could work, right? [00:08:38] Like going back to the cultures who have the, the, the government mandated, you know, like vaccination records, like in Singapore, people would not lie about this, um, because they would be afraid that the government would like shoot them and here. Yeah. It’s just like trustworthy and I get why the CDC guidelines are what they are, because they’re correct. [00:09:00] [00:09:00] But it seems to miss the fact that we’re not yet at herd immunity and that people will just lie and we’ll just be like, well, and then we’ll write it off as being like, well, I haven’t been around anyone, so it doesn’t matter if I say that I’ve been vaccinated or not, because I haven’t been sick in a year and no one I know has died. [00:09:18] Brett: [00:09:18] Right. [00:09:19] Christina: [00:09:19] So I don’t know. Anyway, that’s my rant. [00:09:21] Brett: [00:09:21] I’m supposed to. Okay. So there are, uh, it compliance standards at my new job that require that I run McAfee, antivirus on all of my computers. [00:09:35] Christina: [00:09:35] Oh God. We had that for awhile, [00:09:40] Brett: [00:09:40] Like it much like vaccination. It’s one of those things. I feel like. I can get away with, because I I’m, I’m careful. I know, I know what happens on my machine. It’s not like they’re checking to see if I have like sip disabled or anything. Uh, it, they did point out that, and I don’t know how they know this, but [00:10:00] I did not have, uh, uh, disc encryption turned on, on my new mini, which was an entire, uh, an oversight on my part. [00:10:07] I absolutely meant to have disc description, but I get these emails that are like, here are the following things about your personal machines that are not in compliance. And, uh, I find it, I feel like I’m above the law in those regards and I’m not obviously like I have to, I have to meet compliance. They, they pay me to be compliant, so it’s fine. [00:10:32] But I get that attitude of like, this doesn’t apply to me. [00:10:37] Christina: [00:10:37] See, that’s the perfect example. Cause I do the same thing. Like we have a MDM system, so they, because of the compliance issue that you noted, like they just installed anti-virus on our Macs. If your Mac was in tuned and it was a controlled by the MDM, but there were ways where you could still access certain resources. [00:10:56] Without it being intuned. So you would [00:11:00] still technically you need to have an anti-virus, but there’d be no way of them knowing. Um, and, but they had to like do that now they got rid of the Sofos and now they’re using the Microsoft antivirus, which is better. But yeah, it’s one of those things, like we’ve all been in jobs and had stuff where we’re like, well, I know I’m supposed to do this, but I don’t. [00:11:17] Yeah. So. [00:11:20] Brett: [00:11:20] I want to come back to this cause I have a cool story about it. But I will say that. Okay. So I haven’t, since the last time this came up, I have not had a manic episode. Um, I have slept for months now without interruption. And, uh, the only thing that’s been happening is about, about once a month, I have three or four days of this, like very hypo depression. [00:11:50] Like just like, I just want to sit on the couch. I’m not like down on myself. I don’t have the like dark thoughts. I just don’t have the [00:12:00] motivation. And so I’m going through that right now for the first time, since starting the new job and I’m finding like, I can. I can cope. Like I’m not going to be on my game, but I can still make it to meetings. [00:12:15] I can still get my work done. And like, it’s a relief to me to know that I can pull this off. Um, I, I, I’m a little bit like the, my direct teammates. I let know what’s going on because, uh, um, I’m an open honest person and it feels better to me to, uh, just talk about it than it does. I mean, that’s why I’m always honest about my mental health, because actually like physically hurts me to like bottle it up and, and try to hide stuff. [00:12:48] Christina: [00:12:48] yeah. [00:12:49] actually, I think that’s a great point because I think a lot of people don’t know that sometimes about like depression and things like that is that I think for a lot of us, we spend so much time not talking [00:13:00] about it and hiding it and pretending to be okay. And it eventually bubbles up and comes out and it’s so much worse. [00:13:07] Brett: [00:13:07] Yeah, but I haven’t talked to my manager about it yet. And I just like, since starting, they switched my manager and my first manager, I would have felt more comfortable bringing it up. But now I plan to, but I don’t know how it’s going to go over. [00:13:27]Christina: [00:13:27] That’s hard. I I’ve run into this myself too, and I don’t have the frequent episodes or infer, you know what I mean? Not frequent, but more frequent episodes. Like, like you do, my step tends to be those, um, Like I don’t have the highs and the lows. And so I just have like prolonged periods of depression, frankly, that I often ignore and, uh, try to kind of find a way to work through or whatever, but it is a difficult thing to have a conversation about, especially when you’re new or when you have a new manager, legally, they [00:14:00] are required to provide accommodations and they are, they are required to not hold it against you. [00:14:05] But Yeah, you feel like if I say this thing, especially somebody, I don’t know, are they going to look at me differently? Are they going treat me differently? Am I going to get fewer opportunities? It’s a real question. yeah. [00:14:17] Brett: [00:14:17] Yeah. I, I have developed like a, uh, a philosophy that says that I, I can’t, I won’t work at a job where I have to lie about my mental health, so it’s got to happen. Uh, And like I said, like, I’ve talked to teammates about it. I just need to, uh, uh, but if it doesn’t affect my work, should I like, that’s the question in my head? [00:14:46] Like, do I, even if I’m able to do my job, does it really, maybe not. [00:14:53] Christina: [00:14:53] I mean, I think it depends, like I don’t actively talk about it with my managers and whatnot, but I know that they [00:15:00] see me on social media and they know that, that stuff. And so, and I don’t hide it and I don’t hide it for a reason. Um, I don’t hide it because it’s important for me not to. And cause we’ve heard from people like even just doing the show, we’ve heard from people who, us being open and honest about our mental health has helped them. [00:15:18] And before we even did our show, I’d heard from people who, and this was before I had any sort of status, if you want to save and have status now, um, which, which, which is debatable, but. Before I was even established. Um, but I, you know, it was on Twitter and I would talk about my medications and things like that. [00:15:36] And, and I’d heard from people later on who was like you talking about what medicines you want to be an honest about it got me to go to the doctor and you only have to hear that once. I think, um, and, and both of us have heard this many times. I think you’ve heard it more than I have, because you’ve been really honest about stuff, which is amazing. [00:15:54] But I feel like you only have to hear that once for that to be like altering in terms [00:16:00] making you not want to shut up about it. Right. [00:16:01] Brett: [00:16:01] for sure. [00:16:03] Christina: [00:16:03] Like that, that, that, that’s all it takes. But, um, I don’t know if it’s not affecting your work right now. I don’t think you have to bring it up. I do feel like if you know that it could potentially be an issue, you don’t need to go into the details. [00:16:17] You just need to say, Hey, sometimes there are periods where I might be a little less productive or it might be a little, you know, down. [00:16:26] Brett: [00:16:26] I feel like it would be good to get ahead of that. Cause there are definitely. [00:16:29] Christina: [00:16:29] Yeah, that that would be my Mo my recommendation, because like what I do when I have, and I’ve gone through the manager gauntlet, I’ve had like nine managers in four years. Um, I think it’s about to be 10. So, you know, um, it is that I try to tell people who I work with on a consistent basis. Hey, I’m ADHD. Um, during meetings, like this has not been an issue in the last year, but an in-person stuff like, and I’ve done this for years. [00:16:55] I’m like, Hey, I’m paying attention. Like, if I’m in a one-on-one meeting, this is [00:17:00] not going to be the case. But if I’m in like a big group meeting with like 10 people, I’m usually going to be on my phone and I’m usually gonna be playing like a, a match three game, and I’m doing that. So I can concentrate on the meeting. [00:17:11] It is literally like, even my doctor has said, this is something that is good. And, but people will, will take it as rudeness. And so I try to get off of the office and be like, look, if this is really bothersome or whatever, we can try to work something else out, but I’m, I’m ADHD. I literally cannot focus unless my brain is doing something else. [00:17:30] This is how I handle it. Just so you know, this is what’s going on and people are, are, um, usually completely fine with it. I’ve only had a couple instances where people haven’t been. And usually in those cases where they’ll, we’ll try to kind of call me out, like, you know, a teacher would in school and try to be like, Christina, what are you doing this? [00:17:46] And then I’m like completely on it, completely engaged. And they’re like, Oh, well she’s completely engaged. So we’ll, we’ll leave it alone. Um, and, and have been other instances where I haven’t maybe been as honest as I should have been and I’ve been late on stuff and I’ve [00:18:00] been bad about it that I’ve had to kind of, you know, go with my tail between my legs. [00:18:03] And I’m like, Oh no, I should have been more honest. I, I can’t speak for your situation. I don’t know your manager or anything. Um, I think getting ahead of it would be a good thing, but I also think that the last year has been a good thing in the sense that managers and corporations, um, and, and big and small companies have to have, have to be a lot more understanding because everybody now, I think whether they’ve suffered from like an officially diagnosed condition or not knows what, like having, uh, a bad mental state is like now, right? [00:18:38] Like I feel like the whole world collectively has been going through something where we, we haven’t gone through it before. And so. People are more accommodating by design because they know that like, life is hectic because even if you don’t have any like mental health conditions, if you’re completely neuro-typical, but you have kids who are now being, you know, [00:19:00] having to be homeschooled and you have a small house and you’re trying to figure out how to work and do that other stuff that adds stress. [00:19:07] And that can add maybe, maybe somebody was laid off. Maybe there was some other stuff going on. Like there are now these things that I think people collectively have empathy for. So I think that there’s more understanding than there would have been a year ago, where if you go to a new manager who you don’t know anything about, and you’re a new employee and you’re like, Hey, sometimes I might not be as productive because of this. [00:19:31] And they might be like, well, this guy’s just a fuck up. Or what the hell now? I think people are like, yeah, we know that everybody has stuff and we can be accommodating. [00:19:40] Brett: [00:19:40] Did you read the New York times article on languishing? [00:19:44] Christina: [00:19:44] I did. You sent it to me and it was really good. [00:19:46] Brett: [00:19:46] Yeah. So like, there’s this concept that, uh, that the pandemic has highlighted of. Uh, you’re not depressed. You’re just not thriving in a situation [00:20:00] where you normally would where you’re just languishing and they’ve added a word for it. It’s like part of the lexicon now and people who are languishing now have a higher chance of having, uh, uh, uh, PTSD 10 years from now. [00:20:18] So it is like, it’s a legit, uh, problem. It’s not just, Oh, you’re having a block day. Uh, there’s this concept that people who are otherwise, uh, not currently diagnosed with depression, not currently diagnosed with anxiety. Uh, but are going through something that can have long-term effects. And, and I do think that the pandemic has really highlighted mental health in a way that affects more than just those with, uh, the common diagnoses. [00:20:52] Christina: [00:20:52] Yeah. Yeah, I, I agree. And, uh, I think what I hope is maybe a good thing [00:21:00] from this is that it will, it will make people. Who haven’t experienced it at all, like more empathetic for the people who have, and that it will maybe reduce the stigma. And that’s maybe a big ask and maybe that won’t happen, but, but, but that’s, that’s the hope anyway. [00:21:14] Brett: [00:21:14] So here’s, here’s a cool story. You ready? Um, I, I, uh, it was after our last episode, I, I get, uh, uh, I don’t know why I can’t talk today. I get a, uh, Slack message from a guy named David who works at Oracle and has been listening to over-tired for years. And, uh, so, so there are people within the company listening, and he had listened to the episode where I complained about the VPN and he showed up and told me that, uh, the app Shimo or any VPN app that works with, uh, Cisco, uh, I could use instead of the, any connect [00:22:00] app that doesn’t store my credentials. [00:22:03] So now I can just, I, I, well single click in my menu bar that can get me on and off the VPN without having to store my password or like paste my password every time. And, [00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] so good. [00:22:18] Brett: [00:22:18] and there’s like HTTP proxies that you can use to still be able to use like Spotify while you’re on the VPN. And he, [00:22:27] Christina: [00:22:27] Oh, hell yeah. [00:22:28] Brett: [00:22:28] He changed the world for me. [00:22:30] It was awesome. [00:22:31] Christina: [00:22:31] That’s so cool. I love it so much. Um, I’ve had this a couple times. No, no. Over tire listeners, I don’t think. Um, but, uh, although I probably do work with some people who listen over tired now, but I don’t think anybody who’d listened to it like beforehand, but I do sometimes have like, um, um, Coworkers who I’ve never met, um, email me or Slack me after teams. [00:22:53] Me, I guess, after they’ve heard me on twit or, um, a rocket even, and it’s the same [00:23:00] kind of thing, which is just the best. Um, so his name is David. You said [00:23:05] Brett: [00:23:05] I I don’t know if I give his full name. I don’t know how [00:23:09] Christina: [00:23:09] no, no, no, no, no, no. Don’t, don’t give us full name, but that’s a very common, very common name. So, but yeah, shout out to David because that’s awesome and, and good a good colleague being there. [00:23:19] And I knew, I knew that there had to be like people who knew tips and tricks and Shimo is that that’s a set-up app. Isn’t it So that’s awesome. Um, yeah, I love that. Um, that’s really, really good. [00:23:32] Brett: [00:23:32] Speaking of setup apps, have you used Pelletreau Oh my God. I’m super. So you know how, like in a Mac app you can type command shift question Mark and focus the help menu, and then use that to search all the menu items. What if you could do that with fuzzy matching and get all of the option? Uh, like sometimes you hold down option and menu items change. [00:23:58] What, if you could get all of those in a [00:24:00] pallet, the way you would in like a vs code. That’s Pelletreau does. So I can type in any app. I can take command shift P and then just type any part of a menu item and then hit return and execute it. [00:24:16] Christina: [00:24:16] I’m okay. I’m installing this right now. Cause that’s awesome. That’s something that I would seriously, I will use all the time because that is frequently. One of those things that I sometimes have an issue with, like there are other apps that have done similar things to that, but not quite to that extent, but there are oftentimes when I’m trying to access a menu thing and I really just want to do it from the, from the command line or not command line, but from my keyboard, [00:24:38] Brett: [00:24:38] And with big Sur, where a lot of times, if I use that command shift question, Mark trick, it’ll find the menu item, but I can’t hit return to actually execute it. And then when you move the mouse to go to it, the whole thing disappears. Right. And then you have to like drill back down and menu option again. [00:24:55] don’t know why that’s happening, but it’s kind of defeated the purpose of that [00:25:00] trick for me. back. [00:25:02] Christina: [00:25:02] Okay. That’s awesome. Yeah, no. And that, that would defeat the purpose because the whole purpose is like, you don’t wanna move the mouse around. And so it, and, and like the whole purpose is you’re in your brain, you’re in your like zone. You don’t want to do that. [00:25:13] Brett: [00:25:13] your flow. [00:25:14] Christina: [00:25:14] got, well, that’s exactly it. [00:25:15] Like, this is the thing. Like I have nothing against the mouse at all. Um, neither of us do, but sometimes like when you’re just in your flow, like you just want to use your keys, man. [00:25:26] Brett: [00:25:26] Yeah. Yeah. [00:25:29] Christina: [00:25:29] That’s awesome. Okay. I’m installing that now. Um, should we, uh, actually, this might be a good as a segue for, uh, for Headspace, since we just talked about mental health. [00:25:39] Brett: [00:25:39] Oh, yeah, totally. Sponsor: Headspace [00:25:41] So one of our sponsors today is Headspace, which I have been loving for quite some time. Uh, if people keep telling you to try meditation and you’re like, when would I have time? You should check out Headspace. 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[00:26:47] Um, and as in both of us are ADHD people and like the idea, the concept of meditation can seem very foreign, uh, or you can just assume it’s [00:27:00] not for you, but Headspace makes it so simple and so easy. That, uh, you can quickly come to the realization that perhaps an ADHD mind is the mind that most needs meditation. [00:27:13] Headspace is backed by 25 published studies on its benefit, 600,005 star reviews, and over 60 million downloads. Headspace makes it easy for you to build a life-changing meditation practice with mindfulness that works for you on your schedule. Anytime, anywhere you deserve to feel happier. And Headspace is meditation made simple. [00:27:34] Go to headspace.com/overtired that’s headspace.com/overtired for a free one month trial with access to headspaces full library of meditations for every situation. This is the best deal you’ll find right now. So head to headspace.com/overtired today. [00:27:54] Christina: [00:27:54] Awesome. [00:27:54] Brett: [00:27:54] Good call. That was a, that was a great spot to slot that in, not [00:28:00] this not the lead in, but the mental health lead [00:28:04] Christina: [00:28:04] Yeah. Yeah. Well, but, but Fletcher thing like Betsy, then you talked about the ADHD thing. So like it all fit. Like [00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] Oh, my gosh. We’re we’re. We are we’re fucking professionals. [00:28:14] Christina: [00:28:14] we are fucking professionals. It’s good. It’s good stuff. [00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] So yesterday I was eating some, uh, some mushroom jerky it’s like beef jerky made with mushrooms, and I was waiting for my bean based sausage to cool, to thaw so that I could have lunch. And I was going to cook it in my fancy, uh, pan that, uh, that I love. And I bought because I loved the knife that I bought from the same company. [00:28:48] And, uh, it dawned on me that all of these things. Came from Instagram ads and even, even the non-alcoholic beer I was [00:29:00] going to have with lunch that I was very much looking forward to because BrewDog is amazing. Like it all, it all came from Instagram ads and I’ve realized Instagram is uncomfortably. Good. [00:29:12] Yeah. [00:29:13] Christina: [00:29:13] It is, it is. Um, so this is an interesting question and I don’t know the answer to this. I don’t think it will affect anything, but I’m curious, you know, the whole iOS, uh, 14.5, like whole like no tracking thing. Like Facebook’s mad about it. Um, a lot of apps are mad about it and they’re like, Hey, this will really help us improve your ads. [00:29:35] Can we track you? And I’m like, no, I don’t think that your Instagram ads should be impacted by this. Although Facebook certainly think so. Cause I feel like the Instagram ads are usually based on like the accounts you follow and the stuff you interact with. [00:29:49] Brett: [00:29:49] Yes, but here’s the thing. Instagram, since I turned on the tracking blocking has started going all [00:30:00] in, on advertising hair products to me, [00:30:04] Christina: [00:30:04] which is like not [00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] which it makes sense because I’ve been doing this like history of Brett’s hair, uh, posting pictures of my various Mohawks and bleach jobs and, and punk rock hairstyles. [00:30:18] And so it’s safe for them to assume that I have hair. If they know nothing else about me. But I get these ads of like these dudes with like shoulder length hair, talking about how tangled it gets and how this conditioner smooths it out. And they have this whole hair care regime that regimen that does not in any way interest me. [00:30:45] And it’s almost comforting to know that I have foiled Instagram advertising, but at the same time, like seriously, I’ve discovered so much good stuff. right. [00:30:56] Christina: [00:30:56] Yeah, no, I have to, I haven’t bought a ton of stuff off of Instagram, although I [00:31:00] have bought some things, but it’s been one of those things where I always feeling bad about it, but then I see shirts and I feel other stuff, but it’s effective. And like, and it makes me hate Mark Zuckerberg a little bit because I’m like, God damn it. [00:31:09] Like not the Mark Zuckerberg created, um, Instagram or even had once to do with it for its first decade or close to decade of, of existence. But you know what I mean? Like, it just makes me just cause like he’s the worst and, um, you know, it just makes you, it’s just one of those things where you’re like, I don’t know about this. [00:31:28] Um, but yeah. Um, he, uh, for sure, like that’s one of those interesting, like dammit, you know, like things, um, because it’s effective, like it works and. [00:31:43] Brett: [00:31:43] like when small businesses ask me like what they should, where they should put their ad budgets, which it doesn’t happen often. I’m not an, I’m not an ad guy. I’m not like the go-to guy for this, but when it comes up, I’m always like, you know, Instagram seems to [00:32:00] allow you to actually target people who would be super interested. [00:32:04] And as far as bang for the buck goes, it’s where I would recommend putting your money. [00:32:09] Christina: [00:32:09] Yeah. Yeah. I, I agree. And it’s actually funny. So I’m also not an ad person, but I was asked, there was a whole thing where I was asked to, um, give a talk at the, um, Association of national advertisers a number of years ago, which was an interesting event. Um, and I basically had to do a trend report. I was basically kind of doing a trend analysis thing of like, what are some of the bigger trends we are seeing as social media and in other places. [00:32:38] And one of the things that I was talking about, and this was 2013, I think, so this was Instagram ads were new. And I was like, no, this is where you, this is where you need to be putting your money. This is going to be a big deal like this. And that was before they even had a lot of the targeting and, and like the breadth of the, of the campaigns that they have now. [00:32:57] But I was like, no, this is effective people like [00:33:00] the photos, especially if you make an engaging ad, which I think the nature of Instagram forces, advertisers to make better ads, that they want them to work. Like you can’t just get away with like your typical, like really cheap, like, you know, Fivey belly fat ad. [00:33:16] Like you, you have those, but instead what happened. Right. Exactly. Well, the thing is, is that what’ll happen there is that you just pay influencers to, to drink the fat tummy tea and, and like do that, you know, Stephanie, like, Hey, take the, and it’ll make you look like this. Like that’s how you get away with that. [00:33:33] But if you want the actual ads to work, like you have to make it look like part of people’s feeds and, and stand out. Like there’s a, there’s a certain science and probably like psychological thing you have to do with it. Like there’s an art to it. Right. And, and so, I don’t know. I, I, again, I’m not an ad person, but I, I feel. [00:33:53] I feel like I called that relatively early compared to people who are alleged experts [00:34:00] because, um, I got, I didn’t get a blow back from it that I did get some surprise from people, you know, who I, I, after I gave the talk, cause I, it was, I was one of the keynotes at that conference that year. And, you know, people who these were, this is their profession and, and seemed surprised that I was like, so bullish on Instagram ads. [00:34:18] Um, and yeah, I would do the same thing. It’d be like, if you’re trying to figure out where to put your money, I would be looking at either direct sponsorships into things like, um, you know, podcasts or YouTube videos, not pre-roll, but like, you know, host read stuff that fits a YouTube thing for podcasts, you might be able to actually do, you know, uh, the generated in that generated, [00:34:39] Brett: [00:34:39] role. Yeah. [00:34:40] Christina: [00:34:40] stuff, right? [00:34:40] Like that, that might, might work too. Um, and Instagram, cause you’re more than likely going to be able to fit, like get a lot more like dedicated people to really engage with what you’re wanting. [00:34:52] Brett: [00:34:52] Here’s my advice for YouTube advertisers. This is what works on me and I am possibly an outlier, but [00:35:00] don’t try to trick me if it, if, if it looks like, like maybe someone I follow and forgot about is, is super psyched about this product. And I see that it’s a sponsored link. I I’m done I’m out if it’s clever and it shows up in my feed and it’s clearly an ad, but it’s for something that honestly I would pause to watch. [00:35:22] You’re good. If it’s too clever, if you’ve done this whole like super produced scripted. Like a hilarious skit about your product. I, I will probably roll my eyes and continue on it’s this, there’s this certain level of cleverness that it’s just like, I, I love commercials. Like I, I really enjoy commercials. [00:35:47] I wish that, uh, Hulu had more commercials that weren’t insurance companies. Um, not that I hate all Jake from state farm love that guy that got weird with the [00:36:00] talking dog, but those, those were, I like those ads. I think they’re doing a great job. Um, but anyway, like there it’s still, it needs to feel like an ad to me, for me to be comfortable with it. [00:36:11] I don’t like to be tricked and I don’t like to be, uh, uh, if it’s too clever, it feels like it’s manipulative. And I just, just advertise to me like a normal person. Like I like a goddamn normal advertisement. [00:36:26] Christina: [00:36:26] Yeah, no, I agree with that. Uh, I also feel like there are some, because I’ve watched a lot of the tech, uh, like a computer tech, like a YouTuber is like, I feel like Linus tech tips does a good job with their ad reads. Um, they’re, they’re usually not too clever. They’ll do funny kind of segues. And, and that can be useful, but yeah, I mean, just, I love a good advertisement. [00:36:47] Um, I’ve always loved like good advertising, uh, which is weird. Cause like I find a lot of the ad tech practices really creepy and gross, but I’ve li I used to collect print advertisements. I used to have albums as a [00:37:00] kid of what I thought were really well-executed campaigns. And I love commercials I used, I know, I know I used to watch the Cleo awards when they would air them on TV, you know, and which is an Anthem, uh, you know, now is to think that they would even do But like, but like Fox would air the Cleo awards and you’re like, okay. You know? And, um, I don’t know. It feels like in our, I don’t know, like I feel like advertising is an art and I think this is one of the reasons why mad men was so successful as a show. Right. Because it kind of like kind of opened up people. [00:37:31] Well, it was successful for a lot of reasons, but I think that part of it was that a lot of people. Innately have good memories associated with certain campaigns and that there can be like a real power in advertisement. [00:37:42] that isn’t like creepy and gross because there’s an art to it. If you’re making something that’s funny or memorable or, or whatever. [00:37:51] Um, but in our bid as a society to just go to being as targeted as possible and getting [00:38:00] as much data as possible and just trying to like ring like as much money and have as many high click-throughs and whatnot, like that’s, I feel like that’s ruined the art of advertising. [00:38:08] Brett: [00:38:08] Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. So, so how’s the dose gone. [00:38:15] Christina: [00:38:15] Oh, my God. So crypto in general is a free-fall right now, which, you know, fine. Um, but my doge was up, so I was down. And then at the end of last week, like it recovered and I was up over, I was up over 55 cents and I should have sold that I should have sold then. And I didn’t. And now I’m like almost at breakeven, I’m like, I’ve only made $450 at this point. [00:38:40] So it is at like, as we’re recording this, it’s like at 34, seven 34.70 cents. So I might, it might go back to 35, but it is, it is down, um, today. Um, it was, it was at 2:00 AM. It was almost 40. Yeah. It was 43 cents at 2:00 AM, uh, Pacific time. [00:39:00] And it is just like down, um, the little bit of Bitcoin that I bought from Robin hood. [00:39:07] I’ve lost. I’ve lost $216 on, so I’ve lost 43% and I’d already lost some, uh, when I sold some of it that I’d, I’d already put into it, it to sell for more dos going. So like I’ve just taken a complete bath on Bitcoin. Like I literally bought it at the peak. Like it was could not, could not have timed the Bitcoin by worse, to be honest. [00:39:26] Um, like the Bitcoin is just Bitcoin right now is, is, uh, is tanking, which, uh, it’s at $35,000 right now. I’m telling you if it, if it, if it gets back and I said this before, like if it gets under 20,000, again, like I’m, I’m buying I’m, I’m putting in like, [00:39:44] Brett: [00:39:44] I was going to say is now a good time for me to buy Bitcoin. [00:39:48] Christina: [00:39:48] It might be, I don’t know, broad the bottom yet, but yeah, I mean, if it’s for a long-term investment, this is my take and I’m not a financial advisor, but I have been following this space for enough years to have missed out on a lot of these [00:40:00] things. [00:40:00] And I’m mad at myself that a year ago when it was at six or 8,000 and I knew, I knew I should have bought in. And I just didn’t. Um, because I was like, I didn’t think that it would come back the way that it’s come back now, but I thought that it would come back, but I feel like, you know, they go through these like booms and busts every few years. [00:40:19] And the, the, the lows are always still higher than what the previous lows were. So I don’t know if it’s a long-term play like for a short-term like day trading thing. I think it’s too volatile, but I’m seriously considering, especially if it continues to dropping to be like, okay, if I wanted to put in. [00:40:39] You know, uh, an amount of money, um, that, you know, normally put in stocks or whatever and make it like a long-term investment. And in that case, I would not use Robin hood. I would use like Coinbase or something where I actually own the coin and, and whatnot, and have it in a wallet. Yeah. I w I I’m, I’m definitely considering it at this time. [00:40:57] Brett: [00:40:57] Interesting. I suddenly have some money that I [00:41:00] invest. So [00:41:01] Christina: [00:41:01] Right. Well, that’s, that’s the thing, uh, which is very exciting for you, like, [00:41:05] Brett: [00:41:05] it really is. [00:41:06] Christina: [00:41:06] honestly, well, it’s, we’re not going to trust me folks. Don’t worry. We’re not going to turn it into like a finance podcast or anything, um, but it’s, it’s interesting. Cause it’s only been the last few years that I’ve had money beyond, like what was in my 401k to even just play around with stuff. [00:41:22] Right. Like, so, um, no, this is. [00:41:26] exciting for you. Um, any updates on, on the, on the Mac front, anything new or challenging or going well with, uh, with the M one life. [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] Yeah, I, uh, I have, I haven’t used my Intel MacBook pro for a week now. Um, I have, I’m recording our podcast today on the . Uh, all of my audio stuff is working. I have my second display setup. So audio hijack is running over on the side with my meters and, uh, yeah, I [00:42:00] feel like, I feel like I’ve finally. Oh, and I got my. [00:42:03] Did I hit my blog? Yeah, I did. Last week. I had my blog rendering. I got the last couple of kinks worked out of my Jekyll render system and yeah, I think, I think I’m going to make it, I think I’m going to do it. [00:42:18] Christina: [00:42:18] Awesome. That’s awesome. So my dos dreams are dead. And so I should have bought The iMac when I did the reviews for the new iMac or out they are exactly, as I expected, people are like, this is not a replacement for the big iMac. And I’m like, yeah, no shit. Uh, and it’s basically just, it’s a more expensive version of the other in one machines, but with a built-in screen. [00:42:38] But that seems perfect for me for podcasting. So I am going to buy the pink IMAX so fairly soon, um, it’s going to take a while to ship and, and I’m trying to figure out what I want to actually place the order. Cause I need to make sure that I know where I’m going to set it up in my office. Um, we will be a two in one podcast, [00:42:55] Brett: [00:42:55] The the T I thought you said two in one. I was like, [00:43:00] well, [00:43:01] Christina: [00:43:01] but, I’m pumped. [00:43:01] Brett: [00:43:01] um, but no, I, uh, it’s, it really is that much faster, like things that took, uh, 20, 30 minutes to render, like the Jekyll blog, for example, uh, now take under four minutes. And things that took two minutes to render, like building a large Mac app. [00:43:23] Now it’s like a blink and it’s it’s running. And like the slowest part of my render time now is just the like attaching the debugger. Everything else just flies. I’m super impressed with the speed on this thing. [00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] That’s super nuts. Like when you consider that these aren’t even like the chips that are really going to like fly, like the ones that they were allegedly working on are going to be even more powerful. Like these aren’t even like the pro machines, right? Like this isn’t even the stuff like that. They’re, you know, working on to a sense that we replaced the 16 inch MacBook pro, but you had, or the 27 inch [00:44:00] iMac that, that I have, which you know, is, is still running like a very, very fast Intel processor, 10 core processor. [00:44:06] And, um, that’s, that’s crazy. Like, [00:44:10] Brett: [00:44:10] Until we get quantum computers on our desktops. I think this is a wonderful step forward. Yeah, it’ll be awhile. [00:44:17] Christina: [00:44:17] That’ll be a while. Yeah. [00:44:18] I have a lot of friends in, in, um, in quantum, uh, who, and I’m always asking them like, guys, when’s it happening? What’s happening. They’re like Christina, Christina, stop where we were creating languages to work theoretically with ideas quantum computers like there, I actually saw a lab at Purdue where they’re building some of the quantum materials for quantum computers. [00:44:38] It was actually really fascinating to how they’re, how they’re building Silicon stuff. That was really cool. [00:44:44] Brett: [00:44:44] Yeah, I, uh, I at the whole thing is baffling to me. I’m I’m I, I dread the day when I have to, like, when I actually have to comprehend it, because it becomes accessible to me. [00:45:00] Uh, like right now, the theory of it is fascinating. Like the whole idea of quantum computing is mind boggling to me. Uh, the idea that it could one day actually function as like a personal computer. [00:45:15] It seems, uh, uh, unreachable, but I, I really, I hope that is where, where we are headed. [00:45:23] Christina: [00:45:23] I’m going to add a link in our show notes since we were just kind of talking about a quantum a little bit, because, uh, my friend, Sarah, Dr. Sarah Kaiser, she is, um, a physicist and she’s now a computer scientist. So she kind of switched careers. She went from like academia. So she was like a quantum physicist. [00:45:39] And now she does, um, a lot of stuff with Python and with, um, uh, Q sharp, which is Microsoft’s language. Uh, it’s not related to C-sharp that naming is a whole thing because Microsoft and li names. Uh, but it’s the language that they’ve kind of built out to theoretically like work with, with quantum and, [00:46:00] and, um, so she, uh, Has written some books about that. [00:46:05] She actually, you know, uh, she does a lot of Twitch streams. People are interested in wanting to kind of get started more on that stuff. She’s a really, really good follow. Uh, she and she and her partner are both, um, in the space and are interesting to me because they are from the academia side, but they’re also technologists. [00:46:23] And that’s, to me, uh, kind of this interesting fusion in quantum is that you have like these like hard science people who are then like meshing with the computer science stuff. And it’s really fascinating. [00:46:40] Brett: [00:46:40] All right, that’ll be in the show notes. I, uh, I’m realizing that we, we missed two good segues. 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Pro users can go a step further with the ability to add or edit page labels. [00:47:43] And that’s in addition to the great features already available in PDF pen, including a magnifier window to zoom in on documents, customizable compression settings, even stationary with new paper colors for custom page designs, PDF pen, PDF pen pro and PDF pen for [00:48:00] iPad and iPhone all work together for seamless editing across devices. [00:48:04] When use with Dropbox or iCloud. Learn more about PDF pen and PDF pen pro at smile, software.com/podcast. That’s smile, software.com/podcast. You won’t regret it, especially if you have a PDF workflow in your life of any kind. [00:48:25] Christina: [00:48:25] Yeah, highly recommended. Um, if you need something, that’s gonna be more powerful than preview, especially if you’re, you know, needing to make edits and stuff. The OCR feature is really good. I’ve used that, um, over the years, so good stuff [00:48:37] Brett: [00:48:37] you ever used text sniper? [00:48:40] Christina: [00:48:40] I have [00:48:40] Brett: [00:48:40] I have another setup app. I love texts neighbor. [00:48:44] Christina: [00:48:44] That’s a good one. Uh, you were the one who told me about it, I think because it’s kind of, um, similar to, uh, yeah, like the, the extracting stuff that it does is really cool. [00:48:56] Brett: [00:48:56] Anyone that I haven’t talked to about this [00:49:00] previously, you just, you take a screenshot of text on your screen and it OCR it in place and puts it right onto your clipboard. So you can like snap, snap techs out of a, an image as easily as you take a screenshot. Super cool. [00:49:13] Christina: [00:49:13] Yeah, no, it’s actually really, really cool. Um, like, and a very smart use of OCR tech, which I see so many OCR demos because people use computer vision for OCR, and it’s a, it’s a common service. And you’ll probably see this too, as you’re doing more stuff with, uh, your documentation and Oracle stuff. Cause I think Oracle has, uh, has, uh, some AI services or whatever. [00:49:34] They’re like very common demos that people built to do stuff. And so, but very rarely it like this is a useful use case of that. Like it’s actually a useful use case of like computer vision and OCR stuff to be like, Hey, we can actually, because it’s a screenshot, usually the text on the screen. Is readable, not always, but you know, if it’s digital, like it’s going to be something that is going to be easy and quick to interpret. [00:49:58] And so texting diaper, [00:50:00] I think it’s a really smart idea. It’s a clever idea. First of all, I’m glad that they did it, but it’s also one of those interesting, like, I don’t see many good demos of this on like, Oh, this is actually relatively simple in terms of what it’s doing, but incredibly useful and what a good showcase of the technology. [00:50:17] Brett: [00:50:17] I should do this at the top of the show. So if anyone from Oracle decides to tune in for a minute, they would hear it. But I’ve been like learning about all of Oracle services and I am really impressed. They can offer cloud computing for machine learning and data science. That is twice as fast as anything you’ll get through AWS and cheaper at the same time. [00:50:42] It is like they, they brought in the team that built a lot of the cloud. Uh, the machine learning infrastructure, they brought in entirely from like Amazon, Google, uh, one other big tech and like [00:51:00] nobody from Oracle, like they built this, this secret team and they were like, Hey, you’ve been working in this space for 10 years. [00:51:07] If you could start over and do it again, how would you build it? And they built a cloud platform that was basically learned from all of the mistakes of the people who had like built the original and the kind of mainstream. It’s pretty cool. Like, I can sell this. I can talk about this. It’s cool stuff. [00:51:29] Christina: [00:51:29] Yeah, no, that’s awesome. And, and the cheaper thing is like, not a joke, like, um, I know this because competitive enough analysis, but also just cause I’m a nerd and I keep up with this stuff, like Oracle’s free tier as is really generous and, and they’ve gone out of their way to like, make it really generous. [00:51:46] So it’s one of those things where I think, especially if you’re just like looking at hobby projects and stuff to get started, like the AWS free tier still has a lot of good stuff in it, but most people have used their first year of like free compute resources at this point or what [00:52:00] OD and some of the stuff that is always free Like the Oracle free tier is actually really, really good. [00:52:05] Brett: [00:52:05] Yeah, the always free tier. That’s what it’s called. I have to do a, I have to help write, uh, uh, three session, um, how to like learning lab on machine learning, which is, I know nothing about it at this point. And so I have to actually, I have to be taught all of the concepts and then I have to write the, like tutorial the materials for the sessions and it’s going to be, it’s going to be interesting. [00:52:39] I, uh, I’m going to know more about machine learning soon. [00:52:42] Christina: [00:52:42] Yep. I was going to say, this is how I know what I know about machine learning, which is not a ton, but this is, this is what I know about it, because it is like just. Yeah. Uh, I’ve. I’ve had to do very similar things to that where like, they’re like, okay, Christina, you need to [00:53:00] write a talk about area and present it. [00:53:04] Oh. And this talk needs to also be replica, like, um, repeatable by other people who are not you at future events. So not only, yeah. So not only, so it’s similar to writing documentation because it’s like, not only do you have to get this talk, but it can’t be in your style. It has to be in a voice that could be anybody else’s and it needs to cover these things. [00:53:24] And we need to go over these points and I’m like, okay, but I don’t know. Anything about this? Yeah. Well, we need this done and Oh, by the way, uh, you have seven days. Uh, honestly I can’t recommend it more to just jump in and do it like for me. Um, when I joined Microsoft, when I joined the Azure team, I knew some stuff, but I didn’t, I wasn’t super familiar with a lot of Azure services and there were some things I just didn’t know. [00:53:53] And, and you know, all of the different companies, how their products work and what their service features are, are different in some ways. [00:54:00] And, and I didn’t have any like knowledge on that, some of that stuff. And I’m so grateful that I took on the Azure networking fundamentals, learning path thing to have to give that talk. [00:54:10] And I had to give that talk like 11 times, um, and, and write it because I like went into it. Like that was one example. It was like, I know nothing about Azure networking. It was like, I have no freaking clue. And I’m now going to be the lead presenter and the lead content person on this. And I, it shows it in part because I was like, Oh, I could do this other one. [00:54:27] Like this, the one that was more about like, uh, you know, uh, code development, like that would have been an easier one to take, but I was like, yeah, Christina. You’re never going to learn about Azure networking. You’re never, you don’t care. You’re never going to learn about this unless you’re forced. And then when I was forced, I was able to be like, Oh, okay, well now I have a better understanding. [00:54:46] And then when I talk to customers into users and I hear, you know, what their, um, uh, pain points are or what the things they like are like, I can actually have an intelligent conversation and, you know, it’s like picking up a new skill. It’s like, it is, [00:55:00] I haven’t been in the classroom in so long that it was like a fun thing to learn, but that sometimes it like forces it on you when you have to create content. [00:55:07] Um, One of the first things I did. You know what I mean? I was going to say like, this is for you too. Like when you have to do it, like, it’s, it’s a great forcing mechanism. Cause there’s certain stuff that I just wouldn’t personally invest in. And then like when I have to do it, I’m like glad in retrospect, because I get a much better understanding of all the things like, uh, last week you were talking about how you were having to outline what all the different services were for those pages or whatnot. [00:55:29] And I had to do a similar thing where I had to recreate some videos because the Azure portal had changed now, by the time I created the videos, that portal had changed again. So it was for nothing, but, um, it was one of those great again, like learning exercises cause the, okay, well I have to do a walkthrough for like base level people of what this stuff is. [00:55:49] So I got to figure it out. [00:55:51] Brett: [00:55:51] Yeah, which even for me, like even having to do it does not necessarily mean I [00:56:00] can focus and learn, but, uh, I’m, I’m going to have to, I’m going to have to develop some new skills as far as, uh, forcing myself to take interest in things that are not immediately, uh, grabbing me, like working independently. [00:56:18] I’ve been able to just gloss over things I didn’t care about, but yeah, I’m gonna, I’m gonna it’s it’s like being back in school. I could always, I could always pass the test. I could always pass the test even if I didn’t care. And even if I didn’t do the homework, I’d get there. I’d get there. I can do this. [00:56:39] Christina: [00:56:39] Yeah, You know, you can do it and it’s going to be a good, it’s going to, it’s just going to be like a good thing too. Like you said, you’re going to get a better skill out of this. Um, I’ve been better. I think then you, like, we talked about this, like I’ve been able to force myself to do stuff, but. For me, it can be hard to, I do sometimes need that, that mechanism where I’m like, okay, you [00:57:00] have a deadline. [00:57:00] This has to be done by this date. And, you know, it’s like 3:00 AM that the day of, and you’re like, all right, I’m working on it. Um, but, but having like a hard deliverable date, it can be a good thing, but I think that you’re going to get a good skill of being able to, you know, maybe have to like force your focus for me. [00:57:18] What, what helps. And I don’t know if this will help for you or not, but for me it helps. Like if I’m genuinely interested in something, then it’s much easier for me to focus on it. And so what my trick has always been, and it’s harder with some things than others is that, uh, but I used to do this in journalism too, when I would like have to work on stories that maybe initially weren’t the most interesting, um, is that I find some thread in what I’m working on that I find interesting. [00:57:46] And I use that to like trick myself. Into finding the whole thing. Like I have to like search and like, okay. Find the thing in this. That’s really interesting. Like, you know, and, and that, that’s always, my trick is to trick myself and [00:58:00] be like, okay, on the surface, you don’t care about this area, but there might, but there’s something in here that that is, is appealing to you. [00:58:07] Brett: [00:58:07] Yep. I can find that thing. And now that I’ve lost my voice, I don’t know why, but I do. I have to, I have meetings. Uh, this is unusual for me, but I have to end the show now because I have a meeting to get to. [00:58:22] Christina: [00:58:22] Awesome. Well, thanks. Thanks for, uh, for, for going, uh, Brett and, uh, have, have a good time at your meeting. It, I mean like, like, I, I like where I like work Brett, right? Like. [00:58:34] Brett: [00:58:34] Yeah. Yeah. I, in, in this meeting and I don’t know what to expect from it, but the title is MD content automation. And if MD sense for markdown and automation means automation, I’m like, I’m, I’m all in on this. It’s going to be a good [00:58:49] Christina: [00:58:49] I was going to say this, this seems right up your alley. Um, I will also point out and you guys probably already have your own systems and I’ll let you go. But we, our documentation team uses, like they created a [00:59:00] plugin that anybody can use in the visual studio code repository for documentation stuff, but they, they built like a, everything is in markdown and they ha they built some really, really good, um, extensions for, for vs code, um, uh, around the documentation stuff. [00:59:15] And so there might be things there that you might be able to use in fork in, in what your team does, depending on what your workflow is. throwing that out [00:59:22] Brett: [00:59:22] will check it out. That sounds awesome. Especially as we build a whole new markdown workflow here. [00:59:28] Christina: [00:59:28] Yeah. I was going to say like the, the, the docs team it’s good. And, and the stuff they’ve done, uh, it’s, it’s all, you know, on GitHub is all open source. So I, I would, you know, don’t reinvent the wheel, look to see what some of the other stuff out there is too. So. [00:59:42] Brett: [00:59:42] Awesome. All right, well, have a great day and get some sleep. [00:59:46] Christina: [00:59:46] Thank you get some sleep and, uh, but not during your meeting. [00:59:49] Brett: [00:59:49] Right. Of course not obviously more coffee. I’ll be out. I’ll be fine. I’ll be [00:59:53] Christina: [00:59:53] Okay. All right. Take care. Bye Brett

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Brett Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] You are listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. How are you doing Brett? [00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I am. I am so tired. I feel like that should be our theme song. Oh, wait. It is. [00:00:16] Christina: [00:00:16] Oh, wait. It is. [00:00:16] you did you made that our theme song? So tell me what’s been, what’s going on. [00:00:21] Brett: [00:00:21] Oh, meetings, meetings, meetings. And it’s not like I have to pay a lot of attention in about half of them are only tangentially related to me at this point, but I have to be there. Uh, and so there’s still like that energy drain of. Of looking good on camera. Um, it I’ll get used to it. I swear. I will like, I, this is just my life now and I have to deal with it. [00:00:47]Christina: [00:00:47] Makes sense. Um, I, uh, I don’t, I’m trying to think of one point of the pandemic. I just stopped turning my like camera on. Um, but it did. [00:01:00] get to that point, for sure, for me, [00:01:01] Brett: [00:01:01] I tried that I felt guilty because like out of 20 people in the meeting, I was one of only two that didn’t turn their camera [00:01:11] Christina: [00:01:11] Right. No, see that’s always, the weird thing is like, what’s the social, like stigma on. [00:01:15] this stuff. And I’m always like, ah, like, yeah. [00:01:19] Brett: [00:01:19] I am the only person in those large meetings with a messy office, like my [00:01:24] Christina: [00:01:24] Oh, I hate that shit too. [00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] On camera. It is clear that I work in the basement and it is, it’s not a disaster, but I would call it cozy for an ADHD person it’s cozy. Um, everyone else has the sterile white background sometimes with artwork and plants and I’m like, shit, I can’t compete with that [00:01:46] Christina: [00:01:46] I know I look at that too. I look at that too. And I’m like, yeah, bro, blur filter. [00:01:50] put in some other things. Sometimes I just turn it off. Cause I’m like, I don’t want you to see the mess that I’m in, that I’m trying to do. I’m like, I’m trying to get my office in a good place, but this is one of the many things I hate [00:02:00] about like the current remote culture we’re in. [00:02:02] And like, I know you’ll always be from home, but now there’s this weird. But like before, like when more people are in the office, if you do have the person who’s remote. Like, you’re not staring at them necessarily. Like you don’t feel on display even if you’re the person who’s calling in, because you’ve got a bunch of people in a conference room it’s just, it’s different. [00:02:21] And now it’s like, Oh, I have to have my camera on. And I do I need to have makeup or can I not? Or do I. You know, have to like have my background clear or like, what if they see that I’m in a kitchen someplace? You know what I mean? Like it’s just, there’s, there’s all these politics around like showing off your place. [00:02:39] And I’m like, I don’t get paid enough to buy a house, to have room to, you know, do a lot of these things. So it’s Yeah. [00:02:47] Brett: [00:02:47] There’s one guy who’s like, he’s like a manager on our team and he always shows up, uh, On screen on a treadmill. So he has like a treadmill desk, I assume, but he, [00:03:00] like, he spends the whole call bobbing up and down a little bit. And it’s comforting. Like I keep thinking I’m going to break out my treadmill desk and we’ll just be like treadmill bros. [00:03:10] But, um, and there’s one woman who. Who clearly, like she has kids running around in the background. And so if you have kids running around in the background, like any mess that’s there, it kind of becomes forgivable. I think socially and hers isn’t even messy. So good on her. Congratulations. [00:03:29] Christina: [00:03:29] Good for her. No, see, this is the problem. Right. Is a lot of the stuff it’s like, just, I’m like, I don’t have the excuses and I’m like, but I don’t want to be shamed. Like my house is my house. Like I live in a small, you know, I live in a two bedroom apartment, you know, I have like 980 square feet or something like that, which I guess isn’t small, but it’s small compared to a lot of people who have houses and more room and things like that. [00:03:50] And, and you know, we’re not hoarders, but we do have clutter. And so I’m just like, I don’t. Yeah. [00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] have a house and I have [00:04:00] an office. I have my own bedroom. I there’s a kitchen. There’s a shared living space. Uh it’s I mean, it’s, it’s a two story. Oh, well it’s like one story and a basement. Um, it’s a ranch. So there is no place in my house that has a clear wall. Like there is no place I can go to when I was trying to take my photo for the security badge. [00:04:26] I couldn’t find a clean wall to take a security badge photo against if it’s not cluttered than it has wall hangs and photos and things on it there. And like yoga class, sometimes we go up against the wall and do handstands and stuff. I can’t do that at home. I have to like take pictures off the wall just to find a place to put my feet. [00:04:46] Christina: [00:04:46] Yeah, I have main screen that it’s not mounted, but that I’m going to Mount that. I’m trying to use it. I’m going to. So I could Mount it to the ceiling. The ceiling is too high, so I’m going to like Mount it above the closet so I can pull it down and then have a green screen if I could use for purposes like that. [00:05:00] [00:05:00] But it’s frustrating. Cause I’m like, I’m trying to turn my office into like an office slash studio slash all these other things and I’m like, [00:05:06] Brett: [00:05:06] I just ordered one of those green screens that fits on the back of your chair, [00:05:11] Christina: [00:05:11] Oh cool. [00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] big light, it puts like a haloed green screen around you. I’m hoping I can make that work. Then I don’t have to clean my office because I’m [00:05:19] Christina: [00:05:19] I know. That would be great. [00:05:20] Brett: [00:05:20] it’s, it’s messy on when you see it compared to everyone else’s sterile. [00:05:25] Rooms, but I am in no way motivated to change my office. I really like it the way it is. I’m like, I’m not ashamed of it. I just feel like there’s this standard that I’m supposed to live up to in a zoom call. [00:05:40] Christina: [00:05:40] Right. No, I feel the same way. And I really, I hate it. I hate it so much. I’m like, can we just not do this? Like, I just would prefer us not to have this, this whole thing right now. Like, can we just put, like, I don’t know this performative stuff, I’m not a fan. I know that a lot of people are, but I’m like this underscores the fact that [00:06:00] at least in our profession, Even though we get paid a lot of money, you know, like comparatively for stuff. [00:06:09] In many cases, it’s still not enough money to be a homeowner. And even if you are a homeowner, like working from home sucks, just it can have good aspects to it. But when everybody has to be on video and you have to do all the prestige, so I’m just, I’m not a fan. Like I, I miss the office. [00:06:24] Brett: [00:06:24] I do not share that. I absolutely love being a homeworker a homebody, but [00:06:33] Christina: [00:06:33] yeah. [00:06:33] but you’ve done it for a long time, but it’s a different thing. And I think it’s also different. Like when you take a job and it’s under the context that it’s a remote job versus when you take a job and it’s not, and then it changes and you’re like, okay, like, I, You know, cause I also had my own office at Microsoft, so that was nice too. [00:06:52] So yeah, it’s just, I’m not, I don’t, I don’t love it. It’s fine. It is what it is. It’s just, [00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] You [00:06:58] Christina: [00:06:58] yeah. [00:06:58] Brett: [00:06:58] awesome about my [00:07:00] job though. [00:07:01] Christina: [00:07:01] What’s that. [00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] They want to convert like all of their content, documentation, uh, all their like public facing, uh, like dev REL content over to markdown. And, [00:07:15] Christina: [00:07:15] Oh, wow. Heck yeah. [00:07:16] Brett: [00:07:16] and I’m their guy. Like I remember this came up in the interview, but then I forgot that, like, by the time I actually got the job, cause there was like a month of waiting. [00:07:26] I actually forgot what the job requirements were. All I could remember is thinking, Oh, I can totally do that, but I couldn’t remember what, so now it’s coming back up and, uh, my manager is in Rome and he S he pronounces Mark down like Mack down. And it took me a while to figure out what we were talking about. [00:07:47] But once I did I’m super psyched. Like I get to convert like, HTML R S T uh, like restructured text and, uh, various other formats all into markdown. And that is [00:08:00] that’s where I shine. That’s like my bag. [00:08:02] Christina: [00:08:02] No. I was going to say like this whole thing, this is, this is 100, like you were the right man for the job. Like if that’s all they wanted you to do, which obviously you’re going to be doing a lot more than that, but it, that was it. Like they would have hired the most correct person that they could have had, you know, [00:08:16] Brett: [00:08:16] My first actual project though, is writing blurbs. That will be part of like an overview page. With, uh, you know, on AWS, it w if you log, if you’re like click up in the, uh, search bar, you have, you’ve used AWS. Right. [00:08:36] Christina: [00:08:36] Oh, yeah, [00:08:36] Brett: [00:08:36] And it brings down that panel with like all 100 services for like route 53 and EDC. [00:08:42] Christina: [00:08:42] Yup. [00:08:43] Brett: [00:08:43] um, like it’s basically a screen like that. [00:08:46] And every service there’s almost 90 of them has to have what they, they co they want something clever. But right now, I’m just struggling to actually understand, [00:09:00] like, I’ll get it. It’ll, it’ll be like a compute bare metal and that’s all I’ll have to go on. So then I have to go look up like what this service is to Oracle. [00:09:09] So I can not only understand it, but be clever about it. It’s an intro, but it’s a great immersion. Like I’m learning a lot about the company very quickly here. [00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] No. I went through a similar thing when I joined the, uh, You, know, Azure is, is, I was like, I had to do some fundamentals, videos and stuff, and I had to do like a walkthrough of the, um, like. Uh, portal. And I was like, I don’t know what a lot of this stuff is. And so it was one of those things where I was like having to figure out, okay, does this, how does this like, relate to? [00:09:44] And we actually have like internally we have stuff that compares like what some of our services are compared to like AWS, for instance. But there were some other things that like, didn’t fit with that. And it’s one of those things it’s like, okay, I have to figure out like what all this stuff does and what it means. [00:09:58] And it’s a really good way of like, [00:10:00] learning. What your stuff is really quickly when you have to either write documentation or my case, like it was it similar thing. I didn’t have to write documentation. I had to build the tutorials and I had to do like the portal videos and some other stuff. And I was like, I don’t know what this stuff is. [00:10:11] So now I’m going to have to figure it out. Cause I have to create content for it. It was a really good way to get started. [00:10:16] Brett: [00:10:16] You, I know for a fact that you are better at like sitting down and learning that stuff than I am though. Like I get so overwhelmed so fast and like reading for comprehension is not my strong point. [00:10:31]Christina: [00:10:31] Yeah. I’m not bad at that. Um, but the problem is, is that sometimes you can go into little tangents, like, Oh, you read something, then you try it out and then you go into. A rabbit hole on that. And, and it, you know, waste some time and sustained focus is sometimes the issue. So a lot of times what I’ll do when I’m learning stuff is I keep, you know, a list of links, like usually a Mark down list of links. [00:10:52] And I try to create like a favorite soldier or whatever, or, you know, do something in Pinboard or someplace else and, and habit. So I have my resources so I can, you know, go to [00:11:00] later, but, um, our issue in, and I’m sure this is the same case with, with, uh, Oracle. Cause it’s the same case with every company is that we will have documentation. [00:11:09] Within the documentation stuff for different things that will exist in multiple places. So, you know, because one team put it in one place, one team, put it in another. And so, you know, you wind up finding one bit of really useful information. You’re like, well, this should be linked here, but it’s not, but I found it through this link and it doesn’t land on this landing page and it’s not cross-referenced here, but it should be, you know? [00:11:28] And so you wind up having to kind of create your own, own weird little like nest of where you’ve figured stuff out. [00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] I’ll take that to the next level and say they gave me. Three different lists of services to write blurbs about, uh, ostensibly these were three different ways of seeing the same information. I converted them all into a list that I could diff the no two of those have the same names for the services. [00:12:00] Or existing descriptions. [00:12:02] Like they are all, it’s three completely different lists as if they came from three different companies. And so like the first step, the last three days has just been trying to figure out what the canonical list of services is. [00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] Right. Yes, no I, yup. Yup. Um, I haven’t had to do that exact thing, but we’ve run into, I’ve run into similar things over the year. Like when I’ve started. I actually think that the first product that I was working on when I joined Microsoft, which doesn’t exist anymore, there was. Um, there was a thing where you had to go through and we had to find like a listing of all of the stuff that existed, like all of the courses that existed on this platform. [00:12:44] And we thought that we had a canonical list. We did not. And we had to kind of go through and like figure out where it was and then do an audit of what their links were and like what their dates were when they last been updated. Like there was all this stuff. And just getting to that point where we had like a canonical list of like all the things that were on [00:13:00] the platform was. [00:13:01] More difficult than it should have been, but that was by virtue of the fact that there were three different management systems and two different builds systems for where the content was managed. It was, yeah, it was a lot. [00:13:13] Brett: [00:13:13] I have a going back to the research thing. I have a tip for our listeners. And maybe you, have you ever gotten into the browser plugin where Kona. [00:13:24] Christina: [00:13:24] I have not, although you have introduced it to me and told me how good it is, I’ve tried to get into it, but I have not been able to get into [00:13:33] Brett: [00:13:33] Like if I, so I sit down and I want to start, you know, researching services and I know I’m going to be finding a bunch of links. I basically just open a new window. Give it, uh, give, give my like tap group a name. And then every tab that I opened becomes part of that group. And then I can just close that group and come back to it. [00:13:51] Anytime it’s a tab manager, but it’s super, super slick. Super cool. I love where Kona. I’ve probably mentioned it [00:14:00] on this show before, but I honestly, I, I wouldn’t be able to work without it. [00:14:07] Christina: [00:14:07] Yeah, that’s a, well, I mean, I’m glad that you don’t have to. I’m glad that you have that in your repertoire, so to speak, [00:14:13] Brett: [00:14:13] I wonder if it’s actually pronounced work, Ana like work on this and work on that. I don’t know. Um, I really, that would be, uh, just poor spelling if that’s the case, but, um, speaking of day jobs, uh, I don’t have time to cook lunch anymore. And, uh, that’s I get, so I do the intermittent fasting thing, so I don’t eat until noon, but if I don’t eat at noon, things get ugly. [00:14:42] Uh, and that means most days like a peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, my lunch, which isn’t great for me, but a ritual. Our our, our long time sponsor, the vitamin manufacturers, uh, just came out with a protein powder that I have been [00:15:00] using and loving. Can I tell you about it? [00:15:03] Christina: [00:15:03] Please do cause they sent this to me, but it arrived literally as I was flying out to see my nephew. So I haven’t. [00:15:09] been able to try it yet. So please tell me about it. 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Uh, I’ve been using ritual as a meal replacement, which I asked them, can I use this as a meal replacement? And they said, yes, that’s what we made it for. [00:16:14] Um, so I get the protein that I need and I don’t feel hungry. And I get the nutrition that otherwise we’d take some careful meal planning that once again, I don’t have time for, uh, having used some meal replacement products in the past. Uh, you know, that I I’ve always, uh, I’ve loved my meal replacement, but I can tell you that essential protein actually tastes great. [00:16:35] Not just in comparison to others. Like it’s seriously just tasty. I’ve used like pea protein in the past, which is what they did. And somehow they made it work. Uh, but pea protein, you can’t mask that flavor. I don’t care how much. Peanut butter and banana. You add to it. It still tastes bitter and awful. So props to ritual for making this work. [00:16:58] And they did it with no added [00:17:00] sugar or sugar alcohols. 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I try to make something new, less scary, uh, to, to try to make something new, less scary. [00:18:10] Ritual offers a money back guarantee. If you’re not 100% in love. Plus overtired listeners get 10% off during their first three months. Just visit ritual.com/overtired and add essential protein today. That’s ritual.com/overtired. And I got to say, I’m, I’m really impressed with this stuff. So I’m happy to Hawk it for them. [00:18:33] Christina: [00:18:33] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Thank you ritual. And I’m, I’m, I’m excited to try this out when I get home, because I am in a similar situation where I sometimes don’t have time to take, to eat lunch or more accurately. I forget. So this is exciting. Yep. [00:18:49] Brett: [00:18:49] you get like three back to back meetings and it’s really easy to forget other than like your raging headache that you haven’t eaten lunch. [00:18:56] Christina: [00:18:56] 100%, although we’re pretty good. I also see that [00:19:00] this is the hard thing, cause I bet most people on your team are working West coast hours. So we usually don’t have, um, meetings during like 12 to one o’clock so that makes it easier. But yeah, since you’re two hours ahead. Yeah. [00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] I, we, we, we, uh, most of the us part of the team is West coast. So we rarely had meetings before 10:00 AM my time, which is great. Cause I go to yoga three times a week and it’s usually goes till about eight 45. And I haven’t had to change that except for my manager is in Italy. And he was super excited to find out that I was two hours ahead of California, because that means he didn’t have to stay up till like 8:00 PM to have a meeting. [00:19:48] So he’s been scheduling stuff at like seven 45 in the morning. He scheduled one for seven 15, and I had to say, no, that’s too early. [00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] Yeah, which I think is fair. I think you can be like, yeah, look, I’m, I’m [00:20:00] really glad that I’m earlier than you’re used to, but [00:20:03] Brett: [00:20:03] very understanding. [00:20:04] Christina: [00:20:04] Yeah. [00:20:06] I feel like an hour dude. Cool. Like two now you’re kind of getting to the point where like I’m not even awake yet. Yeah. [00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] Well, that’s the thing is I get up at five 30, like every day, five 30, even on weekends. It’s just, my body is currently wired that way, except like that time between five 30 and. 8:00 AM or 9:00 AM. That’s like me time. That’s when I do personal coding projects and work on my office, set up and stuff like that. [00:20:33] And it feels, I don’t want to give that stuff up. That’s like that’s Saturday time for me. [00:20:40] Christina: [00:20:40] No, I think that makes sense. And it’s interesting because I’m not a morning person, but I do find that if I can wake up, like if I could have that say, you know, Hour and a half or two and a half hours to wake up and kind of get ready for the day. Then I’m actually really productive that I actually need to work on is, is waking up in advance. [00:20:56] Cause usually what happens is I just wake up, you know, it would [00:21:00] either be just with enough time to get into the office. Cause I would usually take like either like a seven. 55 or like an eight Oh five. Like sometimes it was a seven 30, but it would vary like what time of, uh, like bus, like connector I would get, you know, and sometimes I would try to see if I could get like a, like a, like an eight 25 that would be like ideal. [00:21:19] And then I would get into the office like a little after nine and, and that would be really good, but, you know, um, and so depending on the day, you know, might only need to wake up 30 minutes. And advance and then go across the street and catch the bus. But now, because I could just, you know, roll out of bed and go into the other room or sometimes just take the meeting from my bedroom. [00:21:43] I ha I don’t have that me time. And I think that as an ADHD person and for lots of other reasons I need to do that, that’s actually been interesting. What’s going to be really interesting when I go back, um, on Saturday is my sleep schedule is, is so fucked right now [00:22:00] because I’ve been staying up with my sister every night with the baby and, you know, so that means going to bed. [00:22:06] Like I w I went to bed at like 4:00 AM last night, and then I was up at like nine and, [00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] I haven’t stayed up till 4:00 AM since I was, Oh my God. I can’t even remember the last time I stayed up past midnight. [00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] Well, I mean, I, I frequently say past midnight. [00:22:19] and do other stuff, but it’s just that what’s going to be weird about this is that. Like my body clock is also now three hours ahead. And so going back, I’m going to be getting used to both the, you know, staying up weird hours and being in a different time zone thing. [00:22:34] And then it doesn’t help that I’ve got to sort of prepare myself because not next week, but the week after next is Microsoft build and I’ll be doing some of the late night hosting stuff. So yeah. [00:22:47] Brett: [00:22:47] 8:00 AM. And then you could like do a full 24 hour reset when you get home. No. Then you’d be like 12 hours off that [00:22:56] Christina: [00:22:56] Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it wouldn’t So I’ve got to, yeah, I’m just going to [00:23:00] be sleeping and trying to get into things. But I have a bunch of meetings Monday and Tuesday next week. So I don’t know. I’m my sleep schedule is fucked up. I’m going to be, you know, it’s going to be interesting to see how my body reacts and stuff next week. [00:23:10] That’s for sure. [00:23:11] Brett: [00:23:11] So let’s talk about your doge coin. This is our continuing saga we’re we’re in the, uh, the doge segment of the show. Now. [00:23:19] Christina: [00:23:19] We are in the Dodi segment, the show. will fucking Alon, you know, totally whiffed on SNL. And that was when it started to really drop. And so my average cost cause I bought in too high, my average cost is now 24, uh, uh, 0.9, 4 cents. So almost 25 cents. So the current price as we’re recording, this is 38 five three. [00:23:43] And. Dropping, but also going up a little bit. It, this is the lowest it has been in weeks. Um, and it’s funny because I remember when it hit for 20, like 42 cents, everybody was like, so excited earlier today. It was at like, 44 cents. [00:24:00] Um, it was at, I think it hit, um, like 47 or 48 cents yesterday. I don’t know. [00:24:06] It’s down a lot. The whole, all of crypto is down a lot. So I’m only up as we record this, a little loan over $600, $620 and 41 cents. So I’m only up 55% right Now. [00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] Yeah, like this slump took Bitcoin down, like 36%. Like that was a huge loss. [00:24:23] Christina: [00:24:23] Yeah, no, he’s now at 48, um, eight five. And at this point, I mean, I’m kind of, I’m kind of looking at getting into Bitcoin, um, at least like fractionally, um, see if it drops any lower, because I think it’ll come back. But yeah. Um, I, Um, [00:24:43] My, my doge green dreams, I was up like two grand Saturday. I should have sold Saturday. [00:24:48] And I didn’t partially because I was with the baby. And then by the time it was dropping, I was like, well, maybe it’ll pop and I don’t want it to, I don’t want to lose stuff. And now I’m just kind of at the point where I’m like, you know what, this I bought into this. Cause it was [00:25:00] funny. And I [00:25:03] Brett: [00:25:03] to play the choke out. [00:25:04] Christina: [00:25:04] Completely. I mean, like here’s the, here’s the thing, and this is like the immense privilege, but I’ve talked about this before that this was money. I forgot that I had, and so I don’t really care one way or another. The worst thing that can happen is if I lose all of my investments, then I get a tax write off for that amount, which I can definitely use. [00:25:22] Like, that’s the worst thing that can happen. So, yeah, I think I’m just going to play it out. [00:25:26] See if it pops again and if it doesn’t and I’m down, if I’m at a loss. Womp womp, then it’s been really funny, you know? [00:25:34] Brett: [00:25:34] So this, uh, this crash really was brought on. By Elon Musk doing a horrible job on us and no. And the fact that it was bad jokes that made a joke currency it’s uh, Michael of Baird said bad jokes. And no funny means leading to a dose crash. Absolutely makes sense. To me, it’s like an earnings miss, [00:26:00] but for a new era. [00:26:01] Christina: [00:26:01] 100%. Um, there was, uh, there was another component to this, to this guy, uh, uh, Michael Silbert, who was like one crypto guy. I can’t remember what coin he was from, uh, where he was from, but he decided to get out and try to put it in something else. And he apparently had a really big position in doge. And so, and, and he got out like before SNL started, so that might’ve had something to do with it, but yeah, you saw it drop, like I was watching SNL and he was so bad. [00:26:27] I was watching SNL being called an abelist, by the way, I’m an able to Snell Brett, because I said that a billionaire, um, famous person didn’t do a good job on SNL. And then people were like, Oh, well it’s because he has Asperger’s. And I’m like, I don’t actually care. [00:26:42] Brett: [00:26:42] had Asperger’s. [00:26:43] Christina: [00:26:43] Agreed. Well, that came out. But [00:26:45] Brett: [00:26:45] Dan Akroyd was funny. [00:26:47] Christina: [00:26:47] It precisely, like, here’s the thing. Um, I’m not going to give you an attaboy or like a good job because you have a disorder that in some people means that you’re not good at making eye [00:27:00] contact or, you know, you don’t have good timing and you can’t be funny. [00:27:02] Right. And that’s not the case with all people, but it is the case, but some people, but like, It’s the same thing as that, if you have a profound speech impediment or stutter or something else, maybe you shouldn’t be a news anchor. [00:27:14] And in fact, most news anchors you would be disqualified. If you had a really profound stutter or a really profound speech impediments from being a news anchor, you would be disqualified from that job. Uh, that’s a fact and that’s completely fair. So maybe if for whatever reason, I don’t care what it is and people I’m in love. [00:27:34] Some of the discord let us know online. If I’m an asshole, maybe I, I admit this is an asshole thing to say, but I think it’s also pretty honest. If you have things going on, like he’s not a good public speaker and we know this, maybe those should be things that should be disqualifying for hosting a show like SNL, just a thought, [00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] we have. We had [00:27:51] Christina: [00:27:51] but it has nothing to do with his being Asperger’s. [00:27:53] Brett: [00:27:53] had, we’ve crossed over into like the, who Christina has pissed off this week segment. This is cool. [00:27:59] Christina: [00:27:59] Yeah, I was [00:28:00] going to say, um, yeah, no people were calling me able to send all this other stuff than somebody can compared me to a Trump supporter. And anti-vaxxers because I dared say that I’m entitled to say, I don’t think the guy is. Good At this. And he was like, well, you’re just want to be a hater. And I’m like, who cares? [00:28:16] It’s not hurting him. I’m not punching down by saying that the guy’s a bad public speaker in his, and wasn’t a good host. I also said that the writing let him down and the writing was really bad. So it wasn’t the complete thing where it was all of his fault. Like the writing was also really, really shitty even for, you know, SNL standards, which SNL can be mixed, but, and that’s just my perspective. [00:28:38] Some people write, but sometimes that’s an L. Nails it, sometimes it doesn’t like the thing is, is that, you know, like when you bring in non-performers to a show like SNL, the results are usually really negative, right? Like, this is why politicians, I don’t think should be brought on. Now. I know why SNL invited him. [00:28:56] They wanted the ratings and they wanted the memes and they wanted, [00:29:00] you know, all the other stuff. That’s why you invite him. I get it. I’m not opposed to them inviting him. I just feel like it’s one of those things. Like there are some people who are going to be really good on television and there are some people who are really not, and he’s not good TV. [00:29:14] Like, it’s just [00:29:16] Brett: [00:29:16] Yeah, [00:29:18] Christina: [00:29:18] you watching him on Joe Rogan get stoned. Like that’s one thing, but watching him on a comedy show, whatever and so bad, it, it, it lost me money. So fuck you along. I mean, I’m kidding. I don’t care. [00:29:32] Brett: [00:29:32] cross promotion, my guests this week on systematic. We’re a, uh, a therapist who specializes in, uh, autism spectrum disorder and her daughter who was diagnosed with Asperger’s during the period where they were actually using the Asperger diagnosis, [00:29:51] Christina: [00:29:51] was going to say, that’s the other thing too, like this has, this is no longer even part of the DSM five. [00:29:56] Brett: [00:29:56] if you were diagnosed with Asperger’s during the [00:30:00] time of the DSM four, you do get to maintain the diagnosis. Like you can still call yourself an ass ASPE. Um, [00:30:08] Christina: [00:30:08] so you can ask me. [00:30:09] Brett: [00:30:09] Yes. It’s still a Git despite, you know, Asperger being a Nazi and all of this. But anyway, it was a fascinating conversation. I had them both on, I got to talk to, uh, both from like a parent, a parent who specializes in autism and a daughter who actually lives with it. [00:30:27] And it was, it was a really cool conversation. [00:30:29]Christina: [00:30:29] That’s awesome. That’s really good. I’m really glad to hear that. [00:30:33] Brett: [00:30:33] So speaking of dose though, [00:30:36] Christina: [00:30:36] Yeah. [00:30:37] Brett: [00:30:37] I feel like I could segue into upstart lending at this point, that was almost a segue in and of itself. 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Uh, loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. [00:32:41] So just head over to upstart.com/overtired. I took all the reads today because I felt bad that I still owe you a check and I figured I’ll do the reeds. She’ll still get paid. I’ll take the hit. [00:32:57] Christina: [00:32:57] Okay. I appreciate that. But also I [00:33:00] appreciate the sponsor. I’m glad that they are doing things like that because it’s such. A ridiculous pattern that people can get sucked into, you know, paying off interest and minimum payments, not even paying off the interest. So. [00:33:14] Brett: [00:33:14] Yeah. Oh my God. Credit cards are the worst. Like if you, if you, if you can pay your credit card bill off every month, it credit cards can have benefits. Like you can get your points and [00:33:25] Christina: [00:33:25] that’s what I do. That, that’s what I try to do. That’s what I, that’s what I try to do. and I know that it’s not always possible to do that, but that’s what I try to do. Um, that’s actually one of the reasons why I like American express historically, is because most of their cards, aren’t charged cards. [00:33:39] They’re not credit cards, meaning you have to. Like you don’t have a choice. Like you have to, um, pay it off at the end of every month. So. [00:33:48] Brett: [00:33:48] you can’t spend money, you don’t have, uh, which is always my intention going into it. And then things happen that I can’t afford, but have to be paid. And I ended up putting them on a [00:34:00] credit card and thinking I’ll be able to afford this in a couple months, but then more shit happens and shit piles up and shit sucks. [00:34:08] Shit, shit, shit. Anyway. Yeah. So. Uh, w I’m gonna skip, we were on the, we were on the, the Musk, uh, train for a minute there. And we could have talked about how a couple of researchers hacked a Tesla with a drone flying overhead, which is slightly interesting, but also, eh, I’m over it. [00:34:32] Christina: [00:34:32] You’re over it. I mean, it’s, it is what it is. I mean, I think, yeah. W the one thing I do want to say about Musk, did you see how he also crashed Bitcoin? Because he said that Tesla won’t accept it. [00:34:42] anymore. And. That he doesn’t want to, um, he like feels like, Oh, um, uh, you know, that it’s bad for the environment or whatever. [00:34:51] Like all of a sudden he now like, cares about the environment. [00:34:54]Brett: [00:34:54] It’s his, his stance on the environment is, uh, [00:35:00] frequently infuriating. Like he doesn’t believe the science. No, it’s it. Yeah. [00:35:07] Christina: [00:35:07] Well, and also, it seems weird to me, like he’s still keeping his crypto holdings, right. So he’s still keeping his holdings in this stuff, but, and he’s like, I’m not going to cash out, but, um, we’re not going to accept it anymore. Which to me feels like, well, this just makes me see me. It makes me think you’re just. [00:35:28] Not happy with like the price fluctuations of Bitcoin. And so, and it, and it’s worse, less than it than it was maybe. And so you don’t want to take the loss when converting it to Fiat, if that’s what you’re going to be doing with it. And I’m sorry to use the term Fiat because we should just call it real money. [00:35:48] But you know what I mean? Like when you convert it into actual dollars, you would be at a loss. I mean, I don’t know. It seems. It seems weird to me. Like he’s not wrong that the environmental impact for each transaction [00:36:00] is terrible. Although a, I would question how many people are actually buying Teslas with Bitcoin. I, would imagine that it’s a very small number, right? So even though that’s not to detract from the environmental impact, but is also to say, I feel like this is, this is, this is covering up for something else. Is all is my, was my gut feeling. Uh, but anyway, that could also be why it fell, but it’s, it’s just funny how, um, there’s speculation, like, is he gonna piss off all the people who are, um, so, you know, in love with him with this stuff, I have no clue. [00:36:35] Brett: [00:36:35] I, yeah, I don’t think, I don’t think those people will ever go anywhere, but if you ever want to like, uh, fully lose whatever respect you have left for, uh, Elon Musk, uh, there, uh, some more news Cody Johnson. Just put out a whole half hour episode on, on Musk and it is, it digs into everything that’s wrong with the [00:37:00] guy. [00:37:00] And, uh, if, if the, if you want to know more, it is absolutely worth a watch. [00:37:07]Christina: [00:37:07] Excellent. I will check that out, but yeah, this is, uh, this is interesting. Oh, so bad news. My dad has discovered YouTube. Yeah, because he watches a weird, like he watches some of those, you know, like weird gossip videos that, that get created that somehow get into your playlist and then sort of not full-on conspiracy stuff, but stuff that certainly seems weird and lots of covers of songs. [00:37:34] And that, I don’t know. It’s just, there’s he watches lots of weird shit and I’m like, I don’t know what you’re watching. This Is a lot. [00:37:44] Brett: [00:37:44] he going to get radicalized? [00:37:47] Christina: [00:37:47] Oh, he’s already radicalized? [00:37:49] That’s that’s that’s too late. The Fox news already ruined his brain. So that’s absolutely too late for that. But now I’ve discovered the YouTube stuff. [00:37:57] I’m like, Oh my God, you be more of [00:38:00] [00:37:59] Brett: [00:37:59] put some parental controls on there. [00:38:02] Christina: [00:38:02] God. Um, he was showing us Tik TOK videos because he’s really into Elvis. He was showing us Tik TOK videos that he discovered on YouTube. And, and, um, my, my sister was like, you should explain tech, talk to him. And I was like, Kelly. No, what is the point? Like I’m not even sure bothering the guy is 76 years old. [00:38:20] I’m not explaining to talk to him. I’m not doing that. I’m not getting into that. Let him find his videos online and enjoy it. And just think that it’s a YouTube thing fine, because he found all these girls dancing to Elvis songs and was really into it because he loves all of us. And I was just like, you’re such a boomer dude. [00:38:35] You’re such a boomer. I love my parents. I really do. But my God. [00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] Do you want to get to the really important topic? [00:38:44] Christina: [00:38:44] Absolutely. [00:38:45] Brett: [00:38:45] Monospace fonts with ligatures. Where do you stand? [00:38:50] Christina: [00:38:50] Okay, so I’m in favor, but I know that that’s controversial because a lot of, uh, actual glyph designers dislike it. It depends on the font though. Like [00:39:00] I think in some fonts, I like it in some I don’t, but in general I do like it, especially if it, if there’s a font where it’s difficult to tell the difference between certain things and if you’re trying to customize your terminal, so. [00:39:13] I I’m not against it, but I, I do understand why the purists don’t love it. [00:39:20] Brett: [00:39:20] Well, I never liked it. Like it always, if I tried a new font and it suddenly changed like certain character combinations into symbols, uh, I always found that a little bit annoying enough that I would, you know, just switch to a different font, but then I found. JetBrains. And I loved JetBrains mano enough that I was willing to give the ligatures a chance. [00:39:43] And now that I’m used to them, I can say that at least in this specific case, I’m actually really a fan of ligatures. [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] Yeah. [00:39:53] I like, I like the brains monophonic. There’s also Cascadia code, which is our font for, [00:40:00] um, uh, windows terminal, which is really good. And I liked that one a lot. That also has a ligature option. There is somebody who has created a way to like add ligatures to operate our motto, which is the, um, uh, Hoefler uh, and company font that I use. [00:40:18] There’s a, There’s one called a dank motto that I bought that I like, I think that one has a ligature option. [00:40:25] Brett: [00:40:25] a really, I’ve never felt fancy enough to actually buy a license for operator, but there are a couple of open source knockoffs, and one that combines with, um, the lobster, the Google font lobster. Um, I Google probably didn’t make it, but that’s where I know it from. But anyway, it uses lobster for comments. [00:40:45] Uh, italicized text is then in like a script and it actually looks really good. [00:40:50]Christina: [00:40:50] Yeah, I like that too. Um, but it is one of those things, I think like once you get used to it, you really like it, but it is one of those interesting things. Like, and obviously like fewer code is like the [00:41:00] most common one. Right. And, and that was, you know, uh, somebody like added, you know, and, and updated like the, the, the fear of, uh, You know, um, Um, font and, and added that support to it. [00:41:13] Now, do you get into power line stuff? That’s where [00:41:16] Brett: [00:41:16] No. [00:41:17] Christina: [00:41:17] I, I understand the appeal, but like that just kind of, I do do [00:41:23] Brett: [00:41:23] mean like the prompt, right? Yeah. No, I don’t. [00:41:27] Christina: [00:41:27] Yeah. I like, I see people who get really into that and that’s fine, but there is some times, um, Like, I think that, I don’t know, like, it’s, it’s a cross between me. I understand why people do it. [00:41:39] And I, I get it. I do, I do do some customizations to like my term and within like my Zetia and whatnot to maybe add some stuff to do similar things to power line, but I don’t. [00:41:50] do [00:41:50]Brett: [00:41:50] I started using, uh, uh, prompt, uh, it’s available for fish. I don’t know if they were, it works in other shells, but it’s called Starship [00:42:00] and it makes all of the like, uh, Ruby versions and get status and all of that, like super easy to add to prompt. So I’ve, I’ve incorporated Starship into my. Custom prompt. [00:42:11] And I still, like, I haven’t figured out what all of the symbols it shows in a get repo mean yet. Like I can put together from context that this means it’s dirty and this means it’s behind this many pushes, but sometimes it throws up character combinations that I don’t, I don’t know what it’s trying to tell me. [00:42:31] I really need to look that up. [00:42:32]Christina: [00:42:32] With any shell, because I’ve used it before. Um, with, with other shells, I’ve used it with, um, with seashell and, um, uh, Some other stuff, but yeah. Um, I think that it started out maybe as something that was part of, um, Oh no, it, it, it started actually, it’s part of the spaceship prompt, which was a Z shell prompt for astronauts, which I liked a lot. [00:42:55] And, and, um, and, and now works at theirs, but yeah, that’s a, that’s a good one. I was like looking, I was like, [00:43:00] Oh, should I do I need to, um, favorite that? And It’s like, Nope, it’s already started. It’s already might get up stars already there. [00:43:08] Brett: [00:43:08] it’s like when I Google how to solve a problem and I find my own block. [00:43:13] Christina: [00:43:13] Yeah. No same thing. And, and nerd fonts do some similar things and that’s what some of what it’s using is that you’re able to kind of upend like the nerd font stuff to those things. So, yeah. Uh, but yeah, star ship, is it star ship.rs, um, is the website. And, um, we’ll put that in our show notes, but it’s, it’s a good, and actually there, um, I’ve used this one before, too. [00:43:39] Cause I like it’s coloring a lot and I like, it’s like, I like the icons, but like you, some of the stuff I like have no idea what it is. I’m like this, this is confusing to me, but I like it. [00:43:49] Brett: [00:43:49] speaking of my own blog, I, uh, I, so like part of switching to the M one Mac mini, uh, I think we talked about how, like my, [00:44:00] one of my biggest problems, what I was that I couldn’t sell older versions of Ruby on it. [00:44:04] Christina: [00:44:04] Yes, you couldn’t compile your [00:44:06] Brett: [00:44:06] Right. So my blog was stuck in whatever state it was in like eight years ago. [00:44:11] And I finally, I sat down, I rewrote a bunch of plugins over the weekend. Uh, one, one step at a time fixed almost everything. Uh, I’m going to let go. Like I used to have a plugin that could, if you put in a flicker album ID, it would create a gallery. Uh, uh, the images from that album, uh, but I don’t really use flicker anymore. [00:44:37] And I can, I can let that go. That I’m not going to put time into figuring that out, but everything else I think I have working, I think the next blog post I publish will be compiled on my M one Mac mini. [00:44:50] Christina: [00:44:50] Nice. Nice. And so were you able to up, so were you able to upgrade everything then in that case? Or did you compile from source some of the old versions? [00:44:59] Brett: [00:44:59] No. I [00:45:00] like, I got everything working with the latest version of Jekyll on [00:45:03] Christina: [00:45:03] Okay. Got it. Perfect. Perfect. Well, I mean, then that’s a good thing, right? I mean, ultimately it would be better to not be on like a version of Ruby That’s been deprecated [00:45:12] Brett: [00:45:12] Or, or a version of Jekyll that has like two major releases behind. Yeah. [00:45:17] Christina: [00:45:17] Exactly. I mean, and it’s hard because if it’s something like a blog where you don’t have sensitive information and where, you know, it’s not like of the utmost importance and it’s not WordPress where people are, have like literally a bots who were crawling the web to try to find login pages and stuff. [00:45:30] Like I get my WordPress site that I haven’t updated in years and years, I get emails every single day of lockout of IP addresses, trying to spam into it. I’m like, yeah. Good luck fuckers. The admin username doesn’t work. Because I changed it, you know, like eight years ago, because I’m not a moron. Um, [00:45:47] Brett: [00:45:47] is just a static site. There’s [00:45:48] Christina: [00:45:48] that’s what I’m saying. [00:45:50] That, that’s what I’m saying. I’m like, I mean, maybe if you could pop into, if you could pop the containers and then you could get access to other parts of the server, but you know, who cares? Um, [00:46:00] So. [00:46:00] I understand the point where at certain point, like you, you want to run the latest things, but at a certain point you’re like, it works. [00:46:06] I don’t care. Screw [00:46:08] Brett: [00:46:08] and if it were an easy, yeah. If it were just a matter of like updating the gem and, and using it, that’d be fine. But I had, uh, about 30 custom plugins that had dependencies that. If I upgraded Jekyll and the bundle that allowed it to run, it broke most of those plugins. So it was, it was, uh, I had to weigh how much time it would take to revamp them versus the actual benefit, which as we have just discussed, uh, was, was pretty nil. [00:46:40] But now I, now I want to let go of my Mac book pro um, not my work one, but the one I just got a year ago. [00:46:51] Christina: [00:46:51] Right. yeah, You’re you’re you’re 16 inch, right? [00:46:53] Brett: [00:46:53] I still agree. Great machine. I, I love it. But now that I have the mini and a work laptop, I want to be able to [00:47:00] hand down the back book pro to the next person in line, uh, which would be L this time. [00:47:07] Um, and I just, I need to know that all of my shit’s going to work on the mini first though, but I’m getting there. I’m almost there. I, so I wanted to add a second display to it. Uh, I have this, uh, older 27 inch thunder Thunderbolt display. And right now, my Dell, I have an awesome 32 inch Dell. Uh, you HQ something. [00:47:35] It’s amazing. It’s an awesome monitor. It plugged into a display port, which is then plugged in through USBC. So I took the Thunderbolt and I put a converter on it from Thunderbolt two to Thunderbolt three, plugged it into the mini. Nothing happened. So I Google it turns out and he can drive one six K monitor off of [00:48:00] USB-C. [00:48:00] But then the second monitor has to, it’d be, HTMI like a 4k over HTMI. And so I th I thought the Dell has a, uh, a plug for HTMI, but if I plugged the Dell in to HTMI, it just blinks on and off, and I cannot figure out why. So I’m left here with this super, I love this old Thunderbolt display. It’s a shame that I can’t use it, but after a night of, of fucking with it, I I’m giving up. [00:48:29] I, I think, uh, I think I’m either going to be a one display person, or I’m going to have to buy a new HTMI display. [00:48:36]Christina: [00:48:36] I know this is a problem that a lot of people have run into because I believe they only support one external display and they’re. Maybe certain ways you can hack around it, [00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] the mini, the mini supposed to support two. One of them just has to be HTMI [00:48:49] Christina: [00:48:49] Okay. [00:48:50]Brett: [00:48:50] Mac books only support one. Like you have to, you have to go through like USB display hacks to get a [00:48:57] Christina: [00:48:57] Yeah. That’s what I was. You have to do that. Okay. [00:49:00] So one of them can be Aisha. My now could you just get an HTMI to display port or whatever, like a form you have adapter to work with it. Like, would you be able to just do that? [00:49:09] Brett: [00:49:09] I posed that question on Twitter. Um, it turns out if it’s a thunder bolt displayed, the only thing that can power it is a Thunderbolt port. You can’t send HTMI to the Thunderbolt display. [00:49:23] Christina: [00:49:23] Yeah, Yes, no, that, that is true, but there are some caveats there. For instance, if you have like one of the LG, like the 27 inch or the 24 inch. The 4k or the 5k displays that they sell, like at the Apple store that are overpriced the first revision that is true. The second revision, you can technically run those off of USB-C. [00:49:43] Um, but they will only like the 5k display will only display in 4k for instance. So it’s, there’s a weird thing with some of the standards. So in general, that is correct. There are, but I would like put an asterisk there because depending on the display and depending on the version of Thunderbolt, there might be ways around that, but yes, in general, that [00:50:00] is correct. [00:50:00] Brett: [00:50:00] Yeah, I like this, this Thunderbolt display I want to use, it’s not high depth. It’s from like 2012, maybe [00:50:08] Christina: [00:50:08] Yeah, exactly. That one, those, those are no, no, that’s the problem is that those, and, and it’s a good panel, but it’s, again, it’s like 25, 60 by 1440 or whatever. Um, so it’s it’s a good panel, but, um, yeah, the input thing there is just a, yeah, you’re, you’re basically dead on that. Um, unfortunately, I mean, you got a lot of use out of it. I mean, that’s the thing, like I ha I’ve had people who were like really mad. They were like, Oh, my Thunderbolt display from, you know, a decade ago doesn’t work anymore. I’m like, okay. I not saying that you shouldn’t be annoyed, but at the same time, you’ve presumably had, you know, many years of service out of it, which is not quite the same thing. [00:50:48] You know, as like this thing that I bought two years ago, doesn’t work. It’s still frustrating, but it is what it is. But this is, I think like why. In general, I’ve [00:51:00] become, and I’m a big purport. I’m a big supporter of Thunderbolt and stuff like that. But I’ve been in general, like sometimes I look at some of those device types and whatnot. [00:51:08] I’m like, yeah, this, this is more of a pain than it should be because of the various, um, technical like requirements around it. And it’s interesting too, because the newest and why machines use. USB for. And so they’re only Thunderbolt three by virtue of the fact that USB four is now a super set of the Thunderbolt three spec. [00:51:33] Like that’s literally the only reason why they are Thunderbolt three compliant is because they’re, you know, like, so even at this point, even like Apple, isn’t going through the process of like, it’s not clear if they’re going to be supporting Thunderbolt for, uh, when that comes out. Like they’re very much like, okay, we’ll use USB for. [00:51:49] But we’re and because that’s a super set of Thunderbolt three fine, but we’re not doing it. Hang else. Ironically, that’s a good thing because then about three was bad, [00:52:00] basically only a thing in the, in the, um, Mac space, even though you had it on some Intel motherboards. Um, and there are a handful of AMD motherboards, including one that I have. [00:52:09] And because of that, you’ve had a lot of monitors. I think we’re. Overpriced and other accessories, you know, that were maybe overpriced or were in a, kind of a different category that would only work on certain things. And now since USB four is going to be much more mainstream, it’ll be, you know, on future, all Intel motherboards and AMD will presumably adopt it on theirs too. [00:52:29] Then hopefully more of those device is an accessories will be usable and the price on some of that stuff will come down. So, which would be nice. [00:52:37] Brett: [00:52:37] OWC is, uh, a USB for, uh, slash Thunderbolt for hub [00:52:43] Christina: [00:52:43] Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about it. [00:52:44] Brett: [00:52:44] all I wanted was a way to split, like with fire firewall or FireWire Thunderbolt three. I just want her to wait to, to turn one port into three ports, like with the, with the, with the dedicated bus and [00:53:00] the chaining that it should be able to do that didn’t seem like too much to ask. [00:53:03] Uh, but with the USB for, uh, OWC is putting out a dock that does. If that’s all it does. It’s one, uh, USB four in three USB, four out. And that’s I already pre-ordered mine. [00:53:19] Christina: [00:53:19] That’s awesome. Yeah, I’ve heard really good things about that. So I’m hoping that, um, Washington college that, uh, that’ll be a good solution for a lot of people. Cause I believe that it actually will even give you a dedicated bus in some of those cases. So I’m like, I’m really happy about that. Um, but it it’s like it’s about time because in some of these cases, it’s just been really. [00:53:37] Brett: [00:53:37] Did you know that? So on the Mac books, uh, there there’s like two ports, uh, like two USB-C ports on each side and each pair of those has a dedicated. Bus, but on the Mac mini there’s only two ports totals. So the safe assumption would be that they share [00:54:00] a bus, but that’s not the case. The M one Mac mini has two dedicated Thunderbolt buses. [00:54:06] cool. I just figured [00:54:08] Christina: [00:54:08] Yes, it is. Yeah. Yeah. The, the Mac mini does, and it’s frustrating to me because my $4,000 iMac does not. And it, and, um, and so it, like the amount of bandwidth that you have is limited. And that wouldn’t matter, unless you’re trying to power a 5k display and then trying to power, like a second pipe 5k display, which I do. [00:54:27] And then you wanted some room for some other stuff and you can do it, but it’s just, it’s a, it’s a thing anyway. Yeah. You want as much bandwidth as possible. So. [00:54:37] Brett: [00:54:37] I feel like that’s a, a good place to wrap up the show. I mean, it’s not perfect. Like, I don’t have a, like a way to tie that off with a bow and call it a show. But what I’m trying to say is I feel like it’s time to wrap up the show. [00:54:51] Christina: [00:54:51] I think so. I think so. Cause you’re tired. I have a baby that I need to play with. I’m also a little tired, to be honest, the baby has been exhausting, but in a good way, [00:55:00] but, um, yeah, so, uh, Good show brought them. I, how, I’m glad that you’re a guest almost through with week two. So, um, you’re still kind of in, in meeting itis, but hopefully that will calm down a little bit as things continue. [00:55:17] Brett: [00:55:17] We’ll see anyway, get some sleep, Christina. [00:55:21] Christina: [00:55:21] get some sleep read.

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[00:00:08]Christina: [00:00:08] I’m um, it’s going really well, Brett, and yes, you totally nailed that intro. [00:00:13] Brett: [00:00:13] Um, so you’re not in, like Seattle? [00:00:16]Christina: [00:00:16] I’m not in Seattle right now. No, I’m not. Your girl got on a plane. I’m in Atlanta, Georgia. Cause I got on a plane for the first time in 14 months. Pretty awesome. And uh, I’m I’m at my parents’ house. I’m on the floor right now. Uh, literally, because this is the only place I could find a set up my microphone and I’m, I’m an aunt now [00:00:41] Brett: [00:00:41] Is this the first time you’ve been an aunt? [00:00:44] Christina: [00:00:44] biologically sure is. [00:00:45]Brett: [00:00:45] What, what, what is non biological aunt, aunt hood like? Yeah. [00:00:50] Christina: [00:00:50] I mean it’s similar, but it’s different. It’s like, but you know, I have a lot of friends with kids who call me and Christina. [00:00:56]Brett: [00:00:56] I had some aunts when I was a kid that I [00:01:00] later found out were not at all related to me. [00:01:02] Christina: [00:01:02] Yeah. I had, I had my aunt Betty and some other people like that, too. Exactly. Thank you. Thank you, Christian, Eastern war. And not to be confused with me, Christina Easton, Warren, uh, was born on May 1st and, uh, mom and baby are doing well. Uh, there was, uh, there was, uh, unplanned C-section because, uh, his shoulders were a little bit too big for Kelly’s body. [00:01:27] Uh, yeah, but he’s, he’s doing well. They’re doing well. So he was born on Saturday and then were released from the hospital on Wednesday. I got in on Wednesday. So I’ve been it’s now as we record this Friday and, uh, I’ve been, um, with the family soaking up, uh, baby time. It’s uh, it’s pretty great. He’s he’s a chill baby so far. [00:01:48] So, uh, the dog likes him a lot, which is good. It’s Kelly has a, um, um, she has, she has a, she has a poodle administer [00:01:58] Brett: [00:01:58] It would suck to have to rehome [00:02:00] the baby. [00:02:01] Christina: [00:02:01] It really would, it really would have to rebuild the baby would not be a good thing. Note that the boo bear, the dog is, is, is in love. And, um, the family everybody’s doing well, but yeah, so babies, man, [00:02:16] Brett: [00:02:16] Yeah. So we, we typically do not get excited about babies, but I feel like, uh, you you’ve, you’ve softened in the face of actually having one in the family. [00:02:29]Christina: [00:02:29] I mean like, look, babies are generally bullshit. Right. And I’m not saying that like, I’m completely changing my stance on that, but I’m also super happy for my sister. And, uh, yeah, I’ve, I’ve softened a little bit. I can’t lie. He’s so tiny. Um, also like I get to be the cool aunt. I don’t have to like pay for his college. [00:02:51]Brett: [00:02:51] Well, I mean, you could so my grandma paid for my college, uh, which was [00:03:00] super handy, I guess. Uh, I had no student debt when I came out. um, I don’t think that’s the place of an aunt. You’re right. [00:03:10]Christina: [00:03:10] Well, also in fairness, like the cost of paying for your college, not to say that it wasn’t, um, wonderful of your grandmother and that it wasn’t a sacrifice, but it’s like, even with inflation, it’s like several magnitudes higher now. Right? Like [00:03:31] Brett: [00:03:31] went to school for 60,000. [00:03:33] Christina: [00:03:33] for four years. Yeah. So my school was like 37 or 38 for one year and yeah. And yeah, and now that seems cool. It’s like 65 for one year. So [00:03:50] Brett: [00:03:50] year did you graduate from college? [00:03:52] Christina: [00:03:52] 2007. [00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] Okay. Yeah, I graduated in Oh. Oh, [00:03:57]Christina: [00:03:57] So, um, [00:04:00] and now, so in 18 years we don’t even know what it’ll be like. Right. So obviously it can’t continue at the rate that, that it, that it’s currently increased because, but, um, yeah, like even state schools are like early 20 grand a year now. So [00:04:20]Brett: [00:04:20] that in 18 years, enough Republicans will be dead. Uh, just from old age. No, like this isn’t a death threat of any kind, but that, uh, some socialist ideas could finally take [00:04:35] Christina: [00:04:35] I mean, I hope so. [00:04:37] Brett: [00:04:37] could be, [00:04:38]Christina: [00:04:38] I mean, I hope so that said, I think we severely underestimate the new breed of Republicans that will exist then. [00:04:48] Brett: [00:04:48] you mean the Nazis I’m familiar. [00:04:51] Christina: [00:04:51] well, the, the, the, the direct Nazis, but also the people who are like, Oh, I, I I’m [00:05:00] down with gay people, but I don’t don’t tax me. Um, you know, and if anything, more of those people will exist as people age into that. [00:05:09] Like I’m just saying, I don’t have a whole lot of, I don’t necessarily trust the zoomers is all I’m saying. I don’t know. So I don’t necessarily trust the zoomers, uh, to be, to be the woke, like heroes that we’re expecting. Uh, so we’ll see. I, I do, I don’t think that it can continue at this rate, right? Like it, the cost increased substantially, even while I was in school. [00:05:35] But, uh, anyway, that’s a whole tangent anyway, I’m not paying for college, so I’m saying, uh, but, uh, I will buy him. I will buy him cool shoes and, um, and, and give him gum and, uh, teach him the, the, the, the dirty lyrics to all the old songs. But, uh, yeah, somebody else can hear her school. [00:05:54] Brett: [00:05:54] I don’t single nephew. I have five nieces and there’s another baby on the [00:06:00] way. And statistically, it’s going to be a girl, but I don’t, I, I wouldn’t necessarily want to be the only boy when all of your siblings and all of your cousins were girls. I think, I think that would be a little bit, uh, maybe, maybe that makes boys turn out better. [00:06:21] I don’t [00:06:22] Christina: [00:06:22] I don’t know. I don’t know. So, so in my family, we were the opposite. So Kelly and I are the only two girls who were born in, like, I don’t even know, like. A hundred years or something. There are three. Okay. I’m not even joking. I’m actually not even joking here. So like, if you look through my direct family tree on the Warren side, so not talking about my mom’s side, but like the Warren side, um, in, it was like, it’s like 75 for a hundred years. [00:06:46] There were three women born. It was like my cousin, Lisa was the first Kelly was the second. I was the third. Um, the next one we got Lisa did have a daughter, but then that, you know, didn’t have a last name, Warren. Um, and then, [00:07:00] um, my cousin, Chris, um, he has two daughters who were born in the two thousands. [00:07:06] So. It is incredibly, incredibly uncommon to have women with the last name, Warren, at least in my direct family tree, like incredibly uncommon. Um, and so like, like, uh, my, my, um, I had three male cousins who all, except for Chris have multiple male sons, my dad’s, um, you know, all of his cousins, you know, all of that, like is just, it’s incredibly, incredibly male heavy for whatever case. [00:07:37] So, uh, the other cousins, or I guess second cousins or whatever the term is, but they’ll, there’ll be called his cousins. Cause they live in Atlanta who are closer to his age or whatever are all boys. Um, but, uh, yeah, so I have no idea. I mean, obviously he’s, he’s going to have an, an aunt only, uh, but, uh, and he’s right [00:08:00] now, you know, the houses actually. [00:08:02] Uh, for, you know, uh, for the first time, not completely female dominated, uh, you know, it’s, it’s going to be three women and two men in the house right now. But, um, the, at least the house that we’re living in, um, actually I guess it’s male have if you count the dogs, but, uh, but yeah, so I, I don’t, I don’t know. [00:08:21] All I’m saying is that this was one of those things where Kelly and I were the anomalies and, and he is like, right on track. Like everyone, my mom fully expected to have a boy, uh, and was actually, they were very concerned that I was going to be a boy, uh, why they didn’t get the ultrasound and realized that wasn’t the case. [00:08:42] I’m not really sure. Uh, I guess they, they didn’t look at it that way, but I kicked a lot apparently. And, uh, and so everyone was like, well, you’ve got a boy because boys kick, which is such bullshit, it’s like, Cause honestly, I mean, I can’t think of anyone who’s like less masculine [00:09:00] than me, you know, and in, in those, in those senses. [00:09:05] So yeah, [00:09:06] Brett: [00:09:06] Man. I feel like we segue into talking about trans people in sports, but we’re not going to, [00:09:11] Christina: [00:09:11] no weird. Absolutely not. I’m no, [00:09:15]Brett: [00:09:15] I actually have a lot to say on that, but I don’t this isn’t the [00:09:19] Christina: [00:09:19] do it this week. It’s not the week for this. Fuck. [00:09:21] Brett: [00:09:21] Yeah. This is the show. This just isn’t the episode. I’m not, I’m not there today. [00:09:27] Christina: [00:09:27] No, I’m, I’m not either again. Fuck Caitlyn Jenner. Like seriously. Fuck you. You fucking fuck. But like, [00:09:34] Brett: [00:09:34] Like all of this legislation, like half of the us States currently are bringing forward legislation [00:09:40] Christina: [00:09:40] not talk about it. Look, I know let’s, let’s, let’s, let’s say in our zone for this week and we will go into this because honestly, neither of us are athletes. Either of us are like politicians and we have [00:09:54] Brett: [00:09:54] Um, [00:09:55] Christina: [00:09:55] exactly, exactly. That’s the most important thing. Neither of us are trans. Yes. [00:10:00] [00:09:59] Brett: [00:09:59] distracted me early on? When you say you’re on the floor, are you laying down? [00:10:04]Christina: [00:10:04] I’m sitting. I was laying earlier. Um, I can lay down. [00:10:09] Brett: [00:10:09] I’ve always been curious what it would be like to podcast laying down. I did an episode of systematic once with, uh, uh, w with John, John, John, uh, from the long winters. So what I am blanking on everything today, Roderick John Roderick. I did an episode with John Roderick, where he was sick and he was laying in bed while podcasting. [00:10:31] And I’ve been curious about it ever since. [00:10:35] Christina: [00:10:35] So now I I’m, um, on my, um, elbows, but yeah. [00:10:40] Brett: [00:10:40] I don’t sound any different. I feel like it could work. [00:10:44] Christina: [00:10:44] Yeah, no, because I’m, I’m making sure that my mic placement is good. [00:10:47]Brett: [00:10:47] So I got a job. [00:10:49]Christina: [00:10:49] Yes. Hell yeah. [00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] that, but I [00:10:52] Christina: [00:10:52] We knew that we knew this was coming, but you started your job. Yeah. So last week listeners, we did not record because, um, [00:11:00] uh, job stuff you need to get ready. And then I had some, some work conflicts or whatever, and we took the week off, which was great for you. So tell me all about the new job. [00:11:09] How’s how’s onboarding going. Welcome to Oracle. [00:11:12] Brett: [00:11:12] well, so like, I haven’t actually started any projects yet. Like this whole week was, uh, getting set up, going through training videos, filling out tax forms, signing up for benefits. Despite that I’ve had to be in on T3, like 10 meetings in the last four days. Uh, and in those meetings right now, like I spend the whole meeting, looking up acronyms and, and projects in confluence to figure out what the hell everyone’s [00:11:48] Christina: [00:11:48] talking about talking about, Oh my God, this, this, this mirrors my experience. When I joined Microsoft to a T like my first several weeks, I had like a whole onboarding plan where I was [00:12:00] in so many meetings for like all day. And I had no idea what anybody was talking about. I had to look up all the acronyms, um, I, you know, to like go through the onboarding process. [00:12:13] I went on a listening tour where I talked to people on my team and like ask them what the best way to work with them was, and order to figure out what it was that they did. Like, that was what my manager suggested I do. He called it a listing tour. It was actually a very good thing. Uh, so if you’re worried, a lot of people, if you have that opportunity, I do suggest that cause it was actually one of the better things that I did when I was onboarding. [00:12:34] But yeah, the acronyms man, they’re not what you would think either. Like we have an acronym for CSS, which is not cascading style sheets. Which is confusing. [00:12:44] Brett: [00:12:44] I keep saying Hool, which I have just assumed is hands-on learning. Uh, cause we’re in like I I’m in the tech writing part and a lot of our projects say Hool and I think it’s like how tos and stuff, but I haven’t had a chance [00:13:00] to ask about that one yet. They teamed me up. I have like, uh, an onboarding buddy who has only been at Oracle for three weeks. [00:13:09] And like, so we’re w [00:13:12] Christina: [00:13:12] leading the blind. I love it. [00:13:13] Brett: [00:13:13] we’re more, it’s more that we’re commiserating about being new than it is like she’s helping me actually. She she’s giving me her experience from two weeks ago. It’s actually pretty helpful. [00:13:27] Christina: [00:13:27] I was going to say, it’s not bad. I didn’t ever have a buddy. What we had cause we could meet in person then is that we had new employee orientation, which was like the first day. And that was a few hours. And then you went into like one of our business group you were in and then you, you know, got lunch with somebody who was like one of your coworkers. [00:13:48] And I guess she technically was my buddy, but she was also like the only, like my team was really small. So she was also kind of like my counterpart on another team. We had lunch, I got my laptop, I set up, started [00:14:00] to set up that process. And then we had like a week or so later we had like a, a reunion sort of thing between like the new orientation thing where people met up and I met some other. [00:14:13] Um, people who were the only people who looked like me, but this was all their first jobs out of college. And that was clearly not me, but everybody else was like, well, grizzled in the corporate America thing and like looked older. Um, and I look young, so they all thought I was a fellow teen. So I like hung out with the new grads and we used to get lunch like every week for awhile, which was nice. [00:14:39] Brett: [00:14:39] Yeah. Um, I’m going to remain a remote worker even, uh, even if they bring people back into the office, which I’m very happy about [00:14:47] Christina: [00:14:47] Totally. No, but, but I just meant, like, it was a similar thing in that I had like somebody, like, we, we had people who we could like commiserate about [00:14:53] Brett: [00:14:53] Oh, sure. Yeah. I [00:14:54] Christina: [00:14:54] that was [00:14:55] Brett: [00:14:55] the lunch thing got me. Um, the, there, I, [00:15:00] when I signed up for benefits, uh, it was super cool that if you have a partner that you live with, you can get the exact same benefits for them as you would for a spouse, even if they’re not tax dependent. So I’m able to get healthcare, health, health, insurance, and life insurance and vision, and all of that for L. [00:15:27] And we don’t have to do that marriage thing. It is, um, I’m impressed. I didn’t know. That was a thing. [00:15:34] Christina: [00:15:34] It is, yeah, this is again like I’m so this job is so good for you for so many reasons, but, um, as much as people should on like big corporate companies and they should, because there are a lot of problems with them. Like one of the biggest advantages is the benefit structure and the other like perks and stuff that you get. [00:15:53] Like, it’s just like my life substantially increased for the better for all of [00:16:00] those things, you know? Like, um, cause grant has been, um, he unemployed and then not like with a job that like gave him like insurance or whatever, and things like that. And like having that, you know, covered and having L have be able to be on your insurance and get the life insurance and get the other things. [00:16:19] And like, it’s just, it’s really, really nice. [00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah. Um, I was getting nervous sitting through all those meetings and hearing about all of the projects that the team had in the works. I was getting nervous about my ability to jump in. Uh, in what they were talking about. So I had a one-on-one with my manager and. The first, first project I’ll be working on is just there there’s like an index page with like a bunch of the different programs as they try to reach out more to front end and, uh, personas that because [00:17:00] Oracle has always been enterprise and they’ve always been on a license model and, uh, they just, there’s not an appeal there for even front end, backend developers, data scientists that aren’t working in enterprise, things like that. [00:17:14] And, uh, so my job will just be to write blurbs for this index page for all of these different services, which will be a perfect chance for me to get a cursory understanding of all of these products. And then. Yeah, then the next project will be setting up a GitHub repo and defining a structure and converting a bunch of stuff to Mark down. [00:17:41] And I’m like, Holy shit. I knew this job was going to be perfect for me. [00:17:45] Christina: [00:17:45] No, this is great. This is so great. Yeah, this is, this is perfect on so many levels. This is really exciting. And, uh, I mean, we, we were talking over text, um, before the show and I was the only thing I was trying to tell [00:18:00] you was to. Like don’t freak out about feeling like you have to do it all because a they’re going to give you things to start with that are exactly in your wheelhouse and B. [00:18:10] This is the best part, but it’s also frustrating. Uh, but, but it’s really good. The beginning stuff is going to move so slowly. Like you’re, you’re going to be, you have no idea what to do. I mean, four years in, I still am at a point right now where I’m like, should I be doing more? Uh, and because we’re used to either like me with like journalism and you with like startup stuff and, and with other clients where like you have to get it done and things in, in corporate kind of enterprise world, they just move slowly. [00:18:43] Like there are times where you’ll have deadlines and projects that you will have to work on really quickly. Like I had a project last summer where our deadline was, was frankly, by any stretch, it was ridiculously truncated. Like it was, it was dumb how fast we had to move, [00:19:00] but. Those are few and far between like most of the time it’s, you know, you do it. [00:19:06] And you’re like, okay, what next? And you’re like, should I be doing something else? And people are like, Nope. [00:19:13] Brett: [00:19:13] Yeah. Like we stand ups, uh, Tuesday and Thursday and, uh, Is that right? Yeah. Tuesday and Thursday. And between the Tuesday and the Thursday, one pretty much everyone’s update on Tuesday was that their project was blocked in some way or another. And then on Thursday it was basically just ditto, like, which always makes me question the utility of stand-up meetings. [00:19:39] That’s always been, uh, even, even my last go round in corporate America, I was the team leader and we kind of can the idea of stand-ups and just, uh, like, uh, text updates. But anyway, I can, I can work with corporate culture. I can do that. But, uh, so my team is the, the U S [00:20:00] people on my team are almost entirely West coast, which means we don’t have any meetings before 10:00 AM for me, which is 8:00 AM for them, which I, I love, I get some, I get some like me time. [00:20:14] Uh, right now I’m putting it into like my own coding projects. Uh, but once things get started, it’ll be like some uninterrupted work time that I won’t have to shift focus to meetings and stuff, but half my team is international. And the, my, uh, one, one of the people that I need to interface with is in Italy. [00:20:39] And he has always right. And he has always had, like, he has to work till like 8:00 PM, uh, in order to meet with the people in California. So he was super excited that I actually get up at five 30 in the Midwest. And so he scheduled a meeting next week for [00:21:00] what is for me, 7:00 AM. And I’m going to take it. [00:21:03] Um, I’m going to try it. Uh, I, I kind of don’t want to set a precedent that I am available before 8:00 AM my own time, but we’ll see. [00:21:17]Christina: [00:21:17] Yeah, no, I mean, I think that’s fair. I mean, and I, okay. So I work with people who are in Australia, who are in China, who are in Europe, uh, and, um, The the, the time zone thing is always, uh, an issue. And in Australia it’s sometimes almost easier because they are like, what are they, I guess they’re like 14 hours, um, ahead. [00:21:44] Um, and, uh, or something like that or 16 hours, I’m not even sure how many hours they are, but it, it, you can almost, it’s one of those things where like, at 3:00 PM, my time it’s like [00:22:00] early for them, but like not too early for them to be like dead asleep. Right. So it can be like maybe like 9:00 AM or something. [00:22:07] Um, and, uh, so, so we, we can [00:22:09] Brett: [00:22:09] 9:00 AM the next day. [00:22:12] Christina: [00:22:12] Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and, and so, um, the Europe ones are hard on the West coast exactly. As you described, because it’s like a 10 hour difference. It’s, it’s nine or 10 hours, depending on what, um, what country they’re in. But, uh, and like for you, I think it’s, it’s, uh, seven hours for Italy. [00:22:30] Um, cause it’s six for East coast. And, but then there’s some countries where it might be like an hour ahead or behind. I don’t, I can’t do the math in my head right now. Um, but those are the hard ones, uh, and in China is, is, can be an Asia can be a disaster. So sometimes a lot of those people have to do like really long, you know, their work shifts have to be kind of truncated in other ways they want to do meetings. [00:22:57] And we, what we try to do is we try to split things up where we have [00:23:00] like. Evening, um, meetings. And then we have morning meetings, like every other week for our, our group meetings. So we’ll have one at five 30, um, uh, Pacific time. So that’s eight 30 Pacific, uh, for an all hands. And then the following one will be at like nine 30 in the morning. [00:23:18] So we try to alternate those ways, [00:23:20] Brett: [00:23:20] you have meetings at five 30 in the morning. [00:23:22] Christina: [00:23:22] no, uh, sometimes, uh, no five 30 in the [00:23:26] Brett: [00:23:26] Oh, okay. [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] Um, but, but, uh, yeah, we, we try not to have meetings scheduled before 8:00 AM Pacific, but I have before had to get on the call with, with people in other countries at like 5:00 AM. Um, if there was just no other way for it to work, but yeah, I mean, We, we try to make it somewhat equitable just because we work with a lot of people who are all over the place, but typically how it works and this is shitty, but it is what it is. [00:23:55] The company’s based in North America. That typically becomes what you [00:24:00] defer to, you know, like that, that’s the thing that is going to get more. Like if it came down to rock paper, scissors of who’s going to who you’re going, who’s going to have to alter their schedule. It’s usually the people who are not in the camp in the country where the company is based. [00:24:15]Brett: [00:24:15] So I, so like I get up at five 30 and then between six and yoga, which is usually seven 45. Uh, I’ve been doing my own coding projects, which I was worried. I wouldn’t have time for anymore, but I actually was able to add in like a whole, if then, uh, logic, syntax to bunch, I swore I was putting a feature freeze on it until the beta was finished, but then I got this bug and I was like, I’m going to, I’m going to add if that, so you can like, if this app is running or if this other bunch is open or if this variable contains this string, like, there’s this whole syntax now with if, if [00:25:00] else, and or if else, if, and, uh, ELLs and you can like control entire blocks. [00:25:06] So you can make like one bunch that does a hundred different things. It got crazy. Yeah. [00:25:11] Christina: [00:25:11] Now, now I hope we put a feature freeze until the beta. [00:25:14] Brett: [00:25:14] Yeah, I want to, I’m considering adding a feature request. That was for the ability to, uh, read Jason either from a script or from a file and create, uh, dialogues, like multiple choice dialogues with Jason. And it just [00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] would be cool. That would be fun. I just, my only concern with you is like, you’ve got to ship at some point, you got to ship a beta and if you keep adding features, then like you can’t do it. Like you, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta scope. Like you gotta scope your project. [00:25:48]Brett: [00:25:48] it has never been my, my forte. [00:25:51] Christina: [00:25:51] I know it hasn’t. But if you’re wanting to turn this into a commercial thing, you’re going to need [00:25:54] Brett: [00:25:54] Oh my God. You know what it’s so I had thought I had flipped the switch to [00:26:00] compile marked for, for Apple Silicon, and, uh, I had just assumed, cause he didn’t give me any warnings or errors. I had assumed I was building universal binaries. I wasn’t like I had a DTK way ahead of schedule, but I’ve been putting out Rosetta versions of Mark and now I have to figure out like, cause it uses a bunch of libraries that aren’t compiled for [00:26:29] Christina: [00:26:29] Right, [00:26:30]Brett: [00:26:30] And so I have to go through and figure out exactly which libraries are holding. So that’s like a whole weekend right there. Just [00:26:39] Christina: [00:26:39] Oh, no, totally. Yeah. I mean, my hope is that by now maybe a bunch of those libraries, like other people have compiled them and updated them, you know? Um, since it’s been, uh, [00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] part like most of them are open source and I can just recompile them. I just have to [00:26:55] Christina: [00:26:55] That’s what I meant. Like you can recompile and, and, and do it like you, you’re going to have to recompile and like, that’s part of your [00:27:00] weekend thing, but I’m hoping at this point, like most of the libraries have already been updated, uh, you know, at that point. So it’ll be a weekend, but hopefully it won’t be too much of a, of a pain. [00:27:09] Brett: [00:27:09] I have, I have more to say about Apple Silicon, but, uh, first I, I wanted to do our review segment. [00:27:18] Christina: [00:27:18] Yes. [00:27:19] Brett: [00:27:19] We have some new reviews, uh, [00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, listeners. [00:27:23] Brett: [00:27:23] And, and keep them comment Jr. Duncan’s five stars. If you know of Christina Warren, you know, you need more Christina Warren content and your life parentheses, sorry, Brett. [00:27:35] I’m a recent listener and still getting to know you, but you seem cool over tired brings even less filtered. Christina, Warren Taylor, Swift coverage, nerdy programming and tech stuff. Parentheses, no like really nerdy and mental health discussions. To what more could you ask for. [00:27:53]Christina: [00:27:53] That’s awesome. And, uh, Jerry, you’re going to be a huge fan of Brett because it’s the best. [00:27:58] Brett: [00:27:58] And then, uh, from [00:28:00] final broadcast, cool weirdos for cool people, a podcast about whatever the host want, like a morning check show, but made by people that aren’t Botox and reading teleprompters. It’s brilliant. Check it out now. And then my favorite one, it’s five stars, but it’s titled over tailored is the worst. [00:28:20] Christina: [00:28:20] Yes, yes, [00:28:21] Brett: [00:28:21] review says JK. I love it a lot. [00:28:23]Christina: [00:28:23] Over tailored. Oh my God. Why have we never thought of that? I’m dying. I’m like actually dying. This is so good. [00:28:31] Brett: [00:28:31] Oh, I can’t remember. We read this one last time or not, but from Dayton, TP, it’s just titled I can relate five stars for someone with anxiety, OCD, and stays up too late each night. I can relate to many of the topics and discussions on this podcast. I have also been in software development for over 20 years. [00:28:48] So I enjoy that side of the discussion as well. I love the, these reviews are held. We don’t get a lot of like, uh, uh, analytics on who actually listens to this show. We just get [00:29:00] numbers. We know this many people are listening, but we don’t know who they are. So these reviews kind of give us, like I had assumed a tech nerd kinda group, but this, this helps prove it. [00:29:14] Christina: [00:29:14] It does. I love it. Thank you. Listener is doing the best and, uh, over tailored. Oh my God. [00:29:20]Brett: [00:29:20] Yes. Um, who would, that was from colony. FM is cool. [00:29:26]Christina: [00:29:26] That’s cool. That’s so good. And thank you listeners. 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Um, what has been your take as cause you’ve been using Ruby forever for rails forever. [00:33:20]Brett: [00:33:20] Well, I, I never got into rails. I mean, I can use rails, but Ruby. Yes. But, but rails and base camp, no. [00:33:29] Christina: [00:33:29] okay. But, but like, you’ve been somebody who, I mean, like you’ve like watched, like, I mean, you’ve been reading 37 signals and following them for forever, right? Like w. Right. Like that’s accurate. Yeah, same. Um, I’ve always been a fan, uh, this whole, like last week and a half has been kind of a, what meant hell, like how to destroy a company in, uh, in 10 days. [00:33:59] Right? [00:34:00] Like, [00:34:00] Brett: [00:34:00] So give, give a brief synopsis of the news around base camp. [00:34:06] Christina: [00:34:06] all right. So base camp is a company that makes base camp, which is project management software that, uh, people apparently use no one who I actually know. Yeah, exactly. [00:34:16] Brett: [00:34:16] or more. [00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] It’s been around for yeah. Like, like, like 18 years or whatever. And it used to be a really big deal, like in the web 2.0 era, but it’s not really anymore to be I’m, that’s not shade. [00:34:28] That’s being honest. Uh, people use other things. Um, some will really like it and I’m not like discounting that. I’m just saying, if you look at the services that people use now, it is not one of them. Uh, but they also make the Hey email service and, um, uh, David Heinemeier Hansson and Jason freed are the founders and they posted on their blog before some employees found out I should add, which is kind of a shitty thing. [00:34:53] Um, last week that there was going to be no more political discussion. At work and, [00:35:00] um, that seemed kind of weird. Oh. And they were also cutting to use their term paternalistic benefits, which basically meant like wellness benefits and, and some other things which kind of a mouse would pay decrease. If you really think about it, they’re like, Oh, well, we’ll give you the cash sum for this year, but they didn’t say anything about next year. [00:35:19] And given the changes that have since happened, I kind of feel like those, that money is probably not going to be guaranteed for next year either. Um, and political discussion. Was weird in this case, the saying you can’t have any conversations about it because, Oh, and they’re also dissolving all committees, including the newly formed, um, uh, diversity equity and inclusion committee that like more than a third of the company at joined, um, and them saying that they weren’t going to be doing politics was kind of weird because they are famous for being very outspoken on their blogs in Congress, [00:36:00] uh, and, uh, on podcasts and other things about. [00:36:04] A, the way that like, they believe that work should be done and the business should be run, you know, they like hold themselves up. So it’s kind of like the science of like, we know the correct way of like running a business and, and, and, you know, doing things the best way. But also they’ve been like very outspoken against, um, uh, policies in the app store and what, what Apple is doing in the Apple versus Epic trial testifying in front of Congress about, you know, against, you know, big tech and things like that, which I’m sorry, I think, uh, are inherently political acts when you testify in front of Congress. [00:36:37] So it seemed a little weird that that would happen and they later then put a blog post out clarifying. Oh no, we can still talk about politics in our own spaces, even though the, their blogs are defacto company blogs and in front of Congress because that’s related to our work, but no one else can have any conversation about it. [00:36:57]Then reporting came out and it came [00:37:00] out like, we were like, well, what happened? Like what what’s, what’s the big deal here? And it turned out that there was a list that was created more than a decade ago, um, called best names ever, which was, you know, kind of a place to collect the funniest sounding names of customers, which is not a great look. [00:37:18] But I mean, I’ve worked at places where, you know, you make fun of stuff that comes in. Probably wouldn’t keep it. Probably wouldn’t keep it in list form. [00:37:27] Brett: [00:37:27] Like even if it doesn’t start out racist, it’s going to be [00:37:30] Christina: [00:37:30] Oh 100 for cent. It’s also one of those things where like, even if it’s like your intentions are good or whatever, and, or, you know, are not good, but are like, I guess benign don’t don’t create the list. [00:37:44] I don’t know. It just seems to me like, that’s just like an obvious thing. Yes. Like, I’m sorry. I mean, and I say, this is someone who, you know, worked at a company whose entire campfire, Oh, campfire is also a product they used to make and then they killed and let Slack basically exist. Slack wouldn’t exist if [00:38:00] campfire is still been a thing, but that’s a whole other degression. [00:38:03] Um, it’s like I worked at, you know, Gawker media whose campfire and Slack histories were admitted into evidence in a court case. They did not that play did not insignificant role in the jury, the idiot jury in Tampa, siting with whole Cogan. Um, And bankrupting the company, uh, because stuff that people write in the company chats when taken devoid of any context, uh, and even with proper context can be horrifying when you see how people are talking amongst friends and coworkers and stuff, you know, especially if you’re, uh, journalism is a little bit different. [00:38:40] Cause you tend to be really McCobb and really edgy. But even in normal work times, you know, there’s stuff that people say isn’t going to be the best if you look at it from the outside. Right. So I don’t know. My feeling is reduced the paper trail of like the racist, like lists making fun of people’s names as much as possible. [00:38:58] So people brought up this [00:39:00] list and we’re like, Hey, this isn’t a good thing. We should get rid of it. And then there was debate about whether or not the list was racist, I guess. And DHH went through the campfire logs and found that somebody who was arguing against the list now, who was like, this is not okay. [00:39:18] Had apparently contributed to it like a decade ago, which you know what people are allowed to change and grow and evolve. So he finds this and like pulls it up as a receipt. Will you you’ve commented on this before as kind of an aha. Gotcha. And then set some other things. And then he got reported to HR. [00:39:36] HR did nothing because he’s the founder of the company. So what are you going to do here? Awesome. None of the employees have shares in the company, so like they have no power. Um, and then it was like, after that investigation that they were like, you know what, though? One can talk about politics at work. [00:39:51] All right. That was last week. Then at the end of last week, there was an all hands meeting that was very contentious. And after the [00:40:00] meeting, a third of the staff quit like 20 plus people left the company like mass Exodus, including people who’ve been there a really long time. Like in one of like the, the, the senior, like, like biggest like rails contributors and, and, uh, people like maintain a lot of their libraries. [00:40:18] And then the subsequent recording reporting came out and said, well, the reason that the XIS happened was that a guy who works there who was like been there for 18 years, who ran strategy and. One of the most senior employees got into a fight with a black employee about whether or not white supremacy existed, uh, or, and, um, and claimed that it didn’t exist at base camp and that no one that he associated with it worked and that it was actually racist to suggest that it did exist. [00:40:44] And, uh, yeah, [00:40:47] Brett: [00:40:47] Carlson works there. Wow. [00:40:49] Christina: [00:40:49] basically 100%. I mean, and look. You can, I don’t think this disqualifies anybody from working anywhere. I want to be really clear on that. And I, I, I’m not opposed to people having political opinions [00:41:00] that are completely opposite mind at all. Like, I think that that’s how the world needs to work. [00:41:05] Um, we need push and pull, but this guy has, you know, given money to, to Trump, which fine. Um, but apparently, and they deleted, Oh, this is the best part. This company that’s really committed to transparency a week before they announced all the changes happening to the company. That of course were announced on a blog before the employees found out they deleted like 20 years worth of campfire messages. [00:41:27] Like they deleted the entire. Shot history of everything that had ever happened. Um, so I guess like after David was able to like pull receipts to call out someone who works for him with his position of power and authority, uh, and, and was, you know, complained about for that, they’re like, okay, well, I guess to risk any of this, some patient will just delete years and years worth of, of back conversations. [00:41:52] So no one can find anything. Um, which, you know, not that, that like institutional knowledge is stored there too, right? Like, so [00:42:00] people knowing how to onboard and how to, how to. You know, get access to certain things are probably also gone. But anyway, um, but apparently this guy before this call had a history of actually being more political than a lot of other employees and, and like sharing links from Breitbart and, and, and pushing his agenda. [00:42:20] Um, anyway, he was, he was, he went on his rant. He was thanked by, I don’t think thanked in this, in this sense that maybe some of the employees took it. I don’t think that the Jason freed was like, thank you for speaking up. I think he was just like, all right, thanks for, like you said your piece. Thank you. [00:42:36] We’ll move on to the next person regardless. There was, you know, acrimony there. He was suspended, then he resigned, but on the call, They were asked unequivocally to denounce white supremacy and they didn’t do it. Jason freed couldn’t do it. He finally managed to be able to say it to Casey Newton. Several days later when Casey Newton reached out to him when he [00:43:00] was writing about the story, but they admitted these people who again have written management books about how awesome they are at management and how great they are at running companies and how you should always do things their way. [00:43:09] And if you take venture capital, if you do anything, that is not what they did. Uh, also they took money from Jeff Bezos. So they’re complete hypocrites. Um, then, then you are wrong. Um, didn’t know how to handle this employee implosion and didn’t know how to handle this very acrimonious situation. And I’m not saying that it would be an easy thing to handle when you have like your small companies sort of imploding that in all hands. [00:43:33] I’m not saying that would be an easy management thing at all. I don’t know if I could handle it, but I also, haven’t written five management books talking about what a great manager I am. So now a third of the company has gone, um, They, uh, it’s a mess. It’s a complete cluster. Fuck. So I’m, I’m curious about your take kind of watching this cause I’ve, I’ve gone from, Oh, also DHH who I’ve met number of times has blocked me on Twitter for saying stop dude, which is [00:44:00] personally hilarious to me. [00:44:01] Um, but, uh, I, I, I’ve watched with kind of Mr. Horror and then like, almost like bizarre, like not enjoyment. Cause I feel bad for the people who work there, but it’s like been, McAliley entertaining to see something implode. So spectacularly completely from their own doing. [00:44:23]Brett: [00:44:23] My only reaction. I don’t have any, uh, emotional investment in, in base camp. I, I get some entertainment. Uh, some disappointment. Sure. But yeah, I mean, really it’s just, uh, kind of a Holy shit moment, like watching everything implode Xplode however you want to look at it. It’s it’s, uh, it’s a lot. I, uh, I don’t have any real strong feelings though. [00:44:54]Christina: [00:44:54] Yeah. Yeah, no, I think that that’s probably similar to where I am. I just, I, I [00:45:00] initially I wanted to talk about it cause DHH blocked me on Twitter, which was just the most like thin skinned, dumb ass thing you can imagine. And I hadn’t even, I mean, granted, but he blocked anybody at sea and responded to him because he was Twitter. [00:45:11] She was trying to tweet through it. This was, this is as big as mistake never, ever, ever tried to blog or tweet through like the shitstorm. Like if you become the, uh, there’s this, this great tweet happened like a year ago, which is like every day, someone on Twitter becomes the villain of the day and your goal in life is to not become that person. [00:45:30] And that is absolutely true. There is one person everyday who everybody piles on and. You know, um, I haven’t ever been the, the villain of the day, but I’ve been the victim of people piling on me. Uh, ironically, a lot of times people now in the context, bring it up with like people on the left, like piling on. [00:45:47] I’ve been pile on by the right, like I’ve, I’ve had, you know, like, uh, Glenn back and people like that, like try and get me fired. Um, And, uh, it’s not fun. Um, I I’ve had people send me [00:46:00] like Holocaust imagery and shit to my Instagram and, uh, you know, it it’s, it’s, it’s not, it’s not a fun time. Um, and I don’t wish like some of the pylon that they’re getting, I don’t think it’s deserved. [00:46:12] You don’t want to be that villain of the day person. But if that happens to you, the absolute worst thing you can do is to try to tweet through it and try to like respond to people and defended and whatnot. Like that is the [00:46:24] Brett: [00:46:24] Just go [00:46:25] Christina: [00:46:25] do. Exactly. And like, just wait it out. Like, and, and, and I don’t even think you need to deactivate your account because I think sometimes that makes it worse. [00:46:34] Just shut up because it will pass. And that’s all I was trying to say to him. I was just like, dude, stop, like, stop. Like you’re, you’re making this worst. And, uh, apparently that offended him very much. He blocked me. I wish I was like, Okay. Well, I wasn’t really speaking out that much except to say that I thought that there were certain ironies in this, but now fuck it. [00:46:58] You can’t see my tweets anyway. So, [00:47:00] um, I, again, it’s like watching a car wreck. I don’t know. [00:47:05] Brett: [00:47:05] And now we [00:47:06] Christina: [00:47:06] I’ve also [00:47:06] Brett: [00:47:06] into our avoidance of talking about the myth of cancel culture. [00:47:11]Christina: [00:47:11] 100%, 100%. Uh, but, but now, now speaking of car racks, let’s talk about setting up your in one Mac for work. [00:47:18] Brett: [00:47:18] Okay. The situation I had a, an Intel MacBook pro that was working great. I loved it. But then I got this $500 certificate from Apple and I had a little extra cash. Thanks to paying off my credit cards. Thanks. Last week, sponsor and. Uh, and a new job. And, uh, so I decided to get, uh, a pimped out new Mac mini and, uh, I also got, uh, a laptop from, so right now at my desk, I have two laptops and a mini and a hub that has my display and my keyboard and everything that I’m kind of using as a [00:48:00] manual KVM, or I just like. [00:48:02] Pull the USB-C cable out of one and stick it in the other, depending on which one I want to use and then use a screen, uh, screens to like VNC between three different computers. And then I had to write a bunch that put a small image in the lower left-hand corner of the display to remind me which computer I was on at the time, because my goal has been set them to set them all up very similarly with like the same dock layout and the same app configuration and everything. [00:48:32] Anyway, uh, the thing that like, ideally I get the Mac mini set up as my. Only personal machine. And I get to handle my Mac book pro down to L and the usual chain of hand-me-down computers. And, uh, the problem I’m running into is the, the chip. Uh, you can’t the only version of Ruby that will [00:49:00] install on an Apple Silicon machine is Ruby 3.0 0.1, which. [00:49:08] You cannot install on an Intel machine. You can only install 3.0 0.0. So I have that tiny little conflict right there, but things like my Jekyll blog that I’ve been using for like eight years now, um, like I, that requires a Ruby 2.6 0.5 and I cannot find like you can. Okay. So the other problem is node. [00:49:37] The only version of node you can install is 16. And I need, uh, both 10 and 11 to run some versions of SAS that I require. And. You can fix that by launching I term, like you open up in, in, uh, finder, you open up info and you check, run with Rosetta and [00:50:00] it’ll load it as a Rosetta app and identify its architecture. [00:50:05] As I three 86, you can also use, uh, the arch command to like it. I don’t know if you would say arc or arch, but it’s arc H R arch. Uh, and you can tell it to register a command as an Intel. Uh, or identify itself as Intel, so that something like an NPM install, we’ll assume your architecture is Intel. So you can get node 10 and 11 installed using those tricks, but it doesn’t work for Ruby. [00:50:37] And it’s been like, everything else is pretty much working fine. All of my apps are running. I got sound source, uh, which has sound source in Lubeck, have a whole special install procedure that involves recovery mode and everything, but you can do it and it all works. It’s been. It’s been two weeks now of [00:51:00] struggling to get my machine to a point where I can let go of my MacBook pro and I shouldn’t be this hard. [00:51:09] I can appreciate, there will be some challenges. I remember going from Motorola to Intel and there were like a two year transition period, at least, but this is, it’s been rough. [00:51:23]Christina: [00:51:23] Yeah, no, I mean, that seems super rough and, and, uh, that’s frustrating, I think on, on like the, the versions of Ruby and the node thing, I would have hoped at this point, like that maybe Homebrew or something would have fixed that, but. [00:51:37] Brett: [00:51:37] Two, two home brews credit. When I first got the DTK mini and tried to brew install, almost nothing worked. And they immediately started adding arm, uh, binaries for everything. Uh, there was maybe like, I, we talked about brew file, right? Like brew bundle, like dump. Um, I, [00:52:00] Oh man. So I tried, I use the combination of Mac up and, and, uh, brew file to just try to automate and.bot and try to automatically. [00:52:10] Make this computer work, uh, the way my old one did only two packages out of about a hundred, uh, failed to install with brew. So they’ve done a great job. All, all of the maintainers and contributors have done a great job of updating, but here’s one thing I learned. If you, if you have things that are sync both with like a brew file and with McAfee and with your own kind of Homebrew SIM linking through Dropbox, they will break each other. [00:52:44]And then things, everything on the many installs to slash ops slash Homebrew instead of slash user been local. And so then all of my scripts that referred to user [00:53:00] Ben local, which I had always assumed was just always going to be the way things were now are broken. And I had, I ended up SIM linking opt Homebrew to user Ben local, which is probably going to turn out to be a really bad idea, but it’s little things, I guess it’s mostly terminal stuff that I’m having, having trouble with. [00:53:18] Christina: [00:53:18] Yeah, I know. Which makes sense. This has been one of the reasons why I’ve been like hesitant to get a R Mac, like, are all the reasons that you’re describing and I’m going to be getting a pink iMac, um, and a couple of weeks. And, and this has been like one of like the, my, like the reasons that I, I’m probably gonna, I’m going to have to use both. [00:53:40] I’m going to have to continue to use my, um, Intel for sure. And that the Intel is more powerful. I want to be clear on that too. Like it’s a lot more powerful than what the pink one, we’ll be getting that for the app that I can for podcasting. But, um, uh, and because my dose just like remarkably become worth. A lot of money. Um, [00:54:00] but, um, yeah, I, uh, I had like that kind of same kind of, I guess, uh, like fear with some of this stuff, because I was like, and I don’t, my stuff isn’t as complicated as yours is, but there are certain libraries and certain things that I need to use certain versions of. And that has been like my, my concern to be totally honest with this. [00:54:20]Brett: [00:54:20] Thing that with apps, you can wait it out, you know, maybe give it a year and they’ll catch up. But things like installing, uh, archival versions of. Like Ruby or node, that’s never going to be fixed. Like there’s no reason, like all of the development is going to go into the head and the edge versions of the, of the libraries and no one is going to fix hold versions. [00:54:50] So basically my only option and your only option would be to update all of the things that require older libraries on your [00:55:00] own. So I’m going to, we’ll be doing a whole lot of a Jekyll programming so that I can use the latest version of Jekyll. Uh, but the only reason I can’t is because I’ve written, uh, 25, some custom plugins that don’t work with the latest version of Jekyll. [00:55:19] If I could revamp all of those plugins, uh, I could just, I could just update and I’d have my blog on my computer again, instead of having to SSH into my 2012 Mac mini that runs in the corner. [00:55:32]Christina: [00:55:32] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was going to say your best bet might be honestly, I would like look at it and maybe Oracle will even be able to, I don’t know if you get like free credits or whatever, like I get free Azure credits and whatnot, but like, it might be worthwhile to have like a, a VPs someplace, um, where you could just have your scripts. [00:55:51] So you wouldn’t even have to SSH into your, into your, um, you know, 2012, um, Mac mini. Like you just have like a small little dev box and just, it would just be a small [00:56:00] one, you know, small VPs running that has your scripts and stuff on it. And then just set up like, you know, a remote extension that way. Like, it’s one of the reasons I like visuals. [00:56:08] I like visual studio code is the remote extension. I can like literally log into another machine and have like, even have containers running like that, but have it all natively like on my Mac. Um, and, uh, so that, that might be an option. [00:56:26] Brett: [00:56:26] the other problem I’m running to running into with setup of these three different machines is the Oracle machine has a bunch of like you are according to company policy only supposed to install apps that are available through their software management system. And I floated that rule almost immediately. [00:56:48] Uh, and I did, it would frown on what I’ve done with the machine. I have kept it secure. Uh, everything is encrypted. I use the VPN [00:57:00] except for half of the things I need to do for work. Are you can’t do with the VPN running. I can’t even use get with the VPN running, but I also can’t use, I can’t write it blocked all traffic, uh, right. [00:57:16] It’s it’s, it’s intense. And, uh, I can’t use like zoom without the VPN running, so I can’t simultaneously be on zoom and pull a, get repo from get hub. It’s not ideal. [00:57:33] Christina: [00:57:33] That’s not ideal. So how do, how do other people deal with that? Cause I can’t imagine that you’re the only person who needs to both be on zoom and use, get. [00:57:41]Brett: [00:57:41] So I have a question and the it Slack channel, uh, to asking about how, how, if there’s a way to like tunnel through the VPN or something. Uh, at one point on I installed the VPN on the mini. [00:58:00] And it gave me the option to turn off filtering and then it didn’t actually seem to do that. And next time I looked that option was gone. [00:58:09] So I have no idea what’s going on there. I, in order to install the VPN on my mini, I had to, you had to like, uh, trace the traffic. When I did the install on the Oracle machine, I had to trace the traffic, uh, cause you can’t install software when you’re not on the VPN and I didn’t have the VPN, so I couldn’t install the VPN software. [00:58:32] So I traced, I trace it. Traffic figured out where the package was coming from, curled it onto the Mac mini and then was able to install the VPN, but they make it really hard to install the VPN on non-Oracle machines. It all seems a little bit, uh, convoluted to me. That’s been, that’s been a whole trial in and of itself. [00:58:54] Christina: [00:58:54] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, um, our setup, God, thankfully is not that [00:59:00] intense. Although there are a lot, I’m not surprised that. Like your stuff is locked down. I’m, I’m surprised you can’t use get in zoom at the same time on that seems really intense, but we do have weird things about how our machines are provisioned. [00:59:13]Um, although it’s gotten better and they’ve, they’ve, especially, as people have been forced to work from home, they’ve had to get better about like, not requiring people to be logged into the VPN for everything. Some of the stuff can just be authenticated. Um, and in other ways, but like if people exactly, um, and, uh, you know, it helps when, when we own active directory. [00:59:35] Um, and, uh, like, but we do have an instance, like people who want to use a Linux as their main machine, the VPN doesn’t work on Linux. However, however people have figured it out way to get a VPN that will be compatible with like whatever the Cisco VPN things we use is. And then there’s a way where you can extract the file and [01:00:00] run other commands and it’s completely unsupported, but people have, and they have it, you know, um, um, in, in the, the team stuff. [01:00:06] And actually there’s even a documentation thing. And dev ops, like the describing the process of how you can get your VPN running on Linux. Um, that’s wholly unsupported, but people have been able to do so. I would, I would think that you are definitely not the only person at Oracle who running into this problem. [01:00:24] And, uh, I would look for like, wherever your mailing lists or other sorts of things are, which are, if it’s like Microsoft. And, and I can’t imagine it’s that the similar most companies are like, this they’re probably exist in five or six different places. There’s, there’s probably a Slack. There’s probably like an actual mailing list. [01:00:41] There might even be, you know, like, uh, uh, like. Some sort of, you know, website or in the intranet or whatever that people put stuff in. [01:00:50]Brett: [01:00:50] The internet is like 10 different internets. [01:00:53] Christina: [01:00:53] Oh God. [01:00:54] Brett: [01:00:54] something cool though. Uh, there’s an authenticator app from Oracle that gives you every, [01:01:00] you know, like a, a, to F a six digit number, every 30 seconds. It changes. You can set that up and use it as GitHub to FAA too. [01:01:09]Christina: [01:01:09] Awesome. So there [01:01:10] Brett: [01:01:10] on it. [01:01:11]Christina: [01:01:11] that’s awesome. Susie, that’s using the TFTP standard. I’m guessing? [01:01:16] Brett: [01:01:16] I don’t know. A T O T P means this is one of those acronyms. I’d be looking up in the background during this meeting. [01:01:21] Christina: [01:01:21] well, in CSEP I can’t think of what it stands for right now, but it basically Google started using it for a Google authenticator and so author uses it. Um, one password uses it. It’s [01:01:31] Brett: [01:01:31] Yeah, this [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] thing, but like, if [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] basically an author cologne. [01:01:35] Christina: [01:01:35] Yeah. So basically like if you scan a QR code, like when you’re setting up, you know, stuff like, so that’s TNTP, so that’s pretty awesome. Cause ours, our authenticator app, um, you can use with a lot of things, but it, it can’t, it can’t be a full, the clone. So like I still need to run author and my Microsoft one. [01:01:52] Um, the nice thing about the Microsoft one is that it does not have a prompt where I think author does this too. But like if I’m, [01:02:00] I am at a website and it needs to open a notification will come up on my phone, I tap the banner and it immediately opens up the, yeah, I don’t have to like leave the website and go into the app. Like it’ll immediately, a little banner comes up and says, this needs your authorization. Tap it, unlock it. And then I can copy it and then go back. So [01:02:24] Brett: [01:02:24] It would be, you know, how in, uh, iOS, whatever 12, I think it started. W if, uh, if, uh, uh, two OFA code shows up in messages, it’ll [01:02:35] Christina: [01:02:35] Yes, [01:02:35] Brett: [01:02:35] it’ll fill it in automatic. I wish they, I wish this could do that. It did take me a second to realize I could just tap the code to copy it instead of like trying to memorize it and switch back to the app. [01:02:46] Obviously that should have been apparent to me, but yeah, anyway. [01:02:52]Christina: [01:02:52] that’s nice that at least the two of a thing can be, you can like use one thing for everything, which is nice. Um, I have to use two to a Fe apps, [01:03:00] technically three, cause I also put for some things, I put it in one password. So it’ll, auto-fill um, we’re lucky in the sense that, and, and I didn’t realize this until after I’d been at Microsoft for a while and people who’d worked at other places. [01:03:12] Like told us what it was like, they are pretty open about how you can provision your own machines. Um, cause you can bring your own machine and they’re even open about how you can provision like work issued ones. Um, like technically my, my Mac is a work issued machine, but it’s provisioned as if it’s my own, but there are still, like you said, like there are limitations and there’s some stuff you can do, nothing like running get and, and you know, the VB at the same time, like none of that, although if you’re on the corporate network, there are certain applications you can’t run. [01:03:42] Like you can’t run a torrent client, it just won’t work. Um, which is understandable. Right? Like I get that. Um, but also there could be legitimate needs, needs to, you know, run a torrent client if you’re trying to download, um, like, uh, something that’s really difficult. So then what you have to do is you have to run a VPN on top of the [01:04:00] VPN, [01:04:00] Brett: [01:04:00] Yeah. Do you want to hear one more tribulation? [01:04:04] Christina: [01:04:04] I do. I absolutely do. [01:04:05] Brett: [01:04:05] obviously I’m signing in and out of the VPN all the time. Right? It doesn’t store your credentials. You have to enter the password every time. [01:04:14] Christina: [01:04:14] Oh, no. Oh no. [01:04:16] Brett: [01:04:16] popping up one [01:04:17] Christina: [01:04:17] Oh no. [01:04:18] Brett: [01:04:18] for Oracle VPN, uh, right, right. Arrow, copied, entered a copy, refocus the dialogue and paste the anyway. [01:04:28] So what I ended up [01:04:30] Christina: [01:04:30] going to see up to this aren’t you [01:04:31] Brett: [01:04:31] yeah, totally. I, uh, I ended up initially I put it on a key binding that I could just hit a sequence of keys and it filled in, but that’s that source the password in plain text, which I knew I [01:04:43] Christina: [01:04:43] absolutely. That that’s [01:04:44] Brett: [01:04:44] for. [01:04:45] Christina: [01:04:45] 100% and that’s just a bad practice in general. Even if you wouldn’t get in trouble for it, you don’t want to do that. [01:04:49] Brett: [01:04:49] Right. So what I’m doing is a keyboard Maestro macro that uses the command line security tool, uh, which can look up, [01:05:00] uh, passwords in your key chain, your encrypted key chain, and, uh, and, and dump them out in plain text. [01:05:07] So basically I’m storing the password in key chain and being able to access it with a hot key, uh, which, which puts it behind my, at least behind my, uh, system login. So getting there almost, almost have this, uh, two, uh, why can’t it just store your credentials? [01:05:28]Christina: [01:05:28] I mean, I agree that that seems like the dumbest thing in the world. I put in a link in the show notes for you to check out mostly, but, uh, there is a command line, um, uh, one password, uh, [01:05:41] Brett: [01:05:41] there is, but it requires constant logging in. [01:05:45] Christina: [01:05:45] Ah, okay, well then nevermind. Um, [01:05:48] Brett: [01:05:48] the idea of it, but it’s, it’s not like you can’t use it in scripting. It doesn’t save you any, any time. [01:05:55] Christina: [01:05:55] Oh, okay. Well then nevermind. Uh, cause that was my first thought. So, so you’ve, you’ve already done the best thing [01:06:00] because, um, you, you can, you can script it obviously with key chain. We’ll let you do that so bad, but at least you did that. Um, no, but I don’t understand why it doesn’t like, but like my, our, our VPN I’m pulling it up right now to like look at it. [01:06:13] Yeah. Like it saves my credentials. Um, and, and I don’t, I’m very, I’m almost never on the VPN. There are a few intranet sites that require it. So ours is a global protect, which I think is Cisco. Uh, but, um, I, I don’t, yeah, like mine is like, my credentials are, are saved. Um, and, um, so I don’t have to deal with that, but they’ve slowly over the, again, it was all a pandemic. [01:06:38] The, everybody having to work remotely. There are a few intranet sites that require you to be on the VPN to use, but they’ve slowly but surely gotten rid of that. And then just, uh, bumped up the, you know, um, uh, single sign on and, and active directory thing that said your machine does need to be in tuned, [01:07:00] which is, which is our, um, MDM or, or, you know, um, uh, you know, multi-device manager, uh, tool. [01:07:06] And so if you’re trying to, for instance, even access a web mail on a machine that is not in tuned, you’re going to be Sol in most cases. So like, if you want to open up a document or access the intranet or do other stuff, you don’t have to be on the VPN, but you do have to have like the device manager client on your machine. [01:07:29] Um, and if, and if you don’t have that, then you’re screwed. So some people really dislike that because they don’t want their machine. In tuned by the company. And then they were like, okay, well, you can’t access your work stuff. Right? Like, it’s, it’s a trade off. So like my personal machines are in tuned, but I, I do trust that when they tell me that they can only access, you know, certain things and they can’t read any of my other stuff or seeing my other things that I trust that’s accurate. [01:07:54] Um, I haven’t run like a packet, you know, sniff thing on there, but I have a feeling [01:08:00] that, that if they were not doing that, that would be cause for concern. Um, but yeah, it it’s, it’s, it’s the corporate song, like, you know, song and dance stuff is always fun. Um, my favorite was when I was at, so when Univision bought Gizmodo. [01:08:17]They tried to enforce a corporate policy on us. And we all had Gawker laptops who Gawker didn’t care. There was literally, no, there was nothing. Right. I don’t even think the, we, there was like, there was no provisioning whatsoever at all. And um, they wanted us all to move to Univision laptops, and they were like, Oh, we’ll give you a brand new laptop. [01:08:36] It’ll just be better than your MacBook air or whatever. And I’m like, I don’t really want to be on your system. And then they told us, they’re like, okay. But the only thing is you can only download apps that are in the Mac app store. And if you need to do something like even change the time, like, cause you need an admin password, you’d have to call. [01:08:54] And we on hold with the Univision massive corporation, um, tech support [01:09:00] and get permission to get an override so that you could change the clock. And, um, so I, they were really trying to force me into this and, you know, as a reporter for a lot of people, like you’re thinking, okay, well, you don’t need to install these apps. [01:09:14] You don’t need to do this and that. And I’m like, no, I test stuff all the time. I run tools. I build things like. I, I get dirty with stuff like, even for testing latest version of Android, I need to run ADB and I need to like, have like a tool connected and I need to like use, I use Homebrew all the time. [01:09:32] Like there’s stuff that I’m going to need. And so just as a test, and this was like, when it, when an Android thing was, was going on, like I was using one of those laptops and I waited on hold for like two and a half hours. To get through, to get permission, to somehow try to convince them to let me install it. [01:09:47] And I timed it. And while this was happening, I refuse to work because I was like, this is going to be this, this was me also showing my ass a little bit. And I was like, okay, so I will do this, but just so you [01:10:00] know, this took me over three hours to get this one thing done, and I’m going to have to do this every single time. [01:10:06] I need to install any sort of weird app or do anything that is slightly, you know, off, off spec. And that happens roughly, you know, at least four times a week. Um, maybe, you know, more, sometimes it might even be multiple times a day. So if you want to take out that loss of productivity, that’s fine. Um, needless to say, I was given an exemption immediately and totally did not have to use a company laptop. [01:10:34]Brett: [01:10:34] Speaking of Oh, shit moments that was like, it was a segue like two minutes ago. But, uh, but then, then you kept talking, um, [01:10:44] Christina: [01:10:44] kept talking. Cause I’m sorry. That’s what I do. [01:10:47] Brett: [01:10:47] Sunday is mother’s day and I haven’t gotten anything. My mom will be getting some kind of gift card, probably Amazon. Uh, but for anyone getting this today who actually has time to do something about it, don’t forget some [01:11:00] days mother’s day. And. [01:11:01] Christina: [01:11:01] Yes. Sunday is mother’s day. Love your moms. I got my mom. Well, the, the, the, the, the mother figures in your lives, like whatever. Um, I, uh, I got my mom, a Taylor Swift mug. No, but she was really touch. So Taylor Swift has a song called the best day that she read about her mom. And, um, it’s really sweet and it always makes me cry and it was rerecorded on fearless cause it came out on fearless. [01:11:26] And because of course she just released fearless. She has all this merge that was associated with that for mother’s day, including mother’s day cards that had some of the lyrics on it that were sold out. By the time I got the, the email, which was upsetting, but I got a mug that said I had the best day with you today, which is like a lyric from the song. [01:11:43] And I sent it to my mom and I was hoping to be there by mother’s day. And it arrived last week. And my mom just like sent me a text saying the mug and cause she didn’t know who it was from because it just was addressed to her. And I did a bad job with that. And I just assumed that she would know that if it’s a Taylor Swift, that it was [01:12:00] me. [01:12:00] Apparently, she then texted a bunch of friends and was like, she’d spend time with them. And she was like, did you send this to me? And they’re like, we’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Then she Googled the lyrics, found the song, listen to it, cried and, um, and was, was, was like very, very touched. So I did manage to work Taylor Swift [01:12:18] Brett: [01:12:18] I was going to say we had, we had, we had, uh, some health stuff. We had some tech stuff. We even had some politics and boom, we hit Taylor Swift in overtime. [01:12:29] Christina: [01:12:29] We did an overtime now, but yeah, but shout out to your moms, the moms out there, um, I’m, I’m, I’m excited. I’m going to be here until the 15th. So next week we’ll be recording from Atlanta on the floor as well. Um, and, uh, I am excited to be able to spend my sister’s first mother’s day with her, which is, which is neat. [01:12:49] Um, but yeah, uh, one more, I know we’re already over time, but one more quick thing. This is hilarious to me because I, I knew nothing about baby stuff. I know nothing about baby tech. And so [01:13:00] now I’m tired. I’m getting inundated into that world a little bit. And um, I want him to listen to cool music and I want him to have stuff. [01:13:07] And so I was like going to buy a little Bluetooth speaker that could attach to the crib. And then I was like, but I don’t want that because I don’t want it to always have to be paired to a phone, to be able to play from Spotify or Apple music or whatever. And then I was like, well, maybe I should just get a home pod many. [01:13:21] And that would work. But home pod mini still doesn’t work with Spotify. And my sister has Apple music, but me, but she might want to change. And like, I don’t know, I love the Apple ecosystem, but I always feel weird about forcing that on like family members. So Amazon makes an echo dot for kids, which is both horrifying, but amazing to me. [01:13:41] So it’s an, it’s like the normal echo dot, but it looks like this one, one looks like a Panda and one looks like a tiger. I got the one that looks like a Panda and it apparently has like some kid controls who knows if the privacy things are any different. That is a Kelly problem to deal with that it’s not a Christina problem to deal with. [01:13:57] But, um, I ordered one of those from [01:14:00] Amazon. And, uh, today I learned is one of those things. It was like, there was a whole lot of like baby tech shit, which I’ve been, I guess, like tangentially aware of, but I’ve never had to care directly before. Like it’s crazy. Yeah. I hope so. I hope so. Um, I’ve been buying lots of, um, shoes and clothes for him already. [01:14:24] Brett: [01:14:24] Yeah, I just get to be weird. Uncle Brett. I’m the only, the only non-Christian in the family and the, I think they’re warned not to get too close to me, but [01:14:35] Christina: [01:14:35] Yeah, no, it’s going to be awkward for Christian when he learns that his namesake Christina is in fact not religious, but again, that’s, that’s that’s that’s that’s that’s a future Christina problem to deal with. Um, [01:14:47]Brett: [01:14:47] I feel like, I feel like it’s time. Like we, we, we didn’t even finish our list of topic. I told you we were going to fill the hour. We overfilled the [01:14:58] Christina: [01:14:58] the hour. [01:14:59] Brett: [01:14:59] We [01:15:00] over [01:15:00] Christina: [01:15:00] We didn’t have an episode last week. We over Taylor over Taylor, that’s the best show in the, that, that, that almost could not, I almost want to say that episode title, but like that’s such a, that’s such a good, that’s so good. [01:15:15] Brett: [01:15:15] Yeah, we’re, we’re gonna save that for an episode where we truly talk too much about Taylor Swift. [01:15:21] Christina: [01:15:21] Absolutely. Maybe when she really, when she releases 1989 and that’s like your jam that that’ll be the over tailored episode. [01:15:28] Brett: [01:15:28] All right. Well, Christina gets some sleep. [01:15:31] Christina: [01:15:31] Get some sleep, read and congrats again on the new job. So happy for [01:15:34] Brett: [01:15:34] Hey, thanks.

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Transcript Christina Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] Hey Christina, it’s your turn to do the intro. [00:00:02]Christina: [00:00:02] Hey guys. So, you’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina. He’s Brett, how are you doing Brett? [00:00:09]Brett: [00:00:09] You kind of screwed it up. I mean, it all got there, but I sense the hesitancy, [00:00:14]Christina: [00:00:14] Yeah, I w I messed it up this [00:00:17] Brett: [00:00:17] you were second guessing yourself as it was coming out of your mouth. You know why? [00:00:22] Christina: [00:00:22] Why? [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] Because you just got your second vaccine. [00:00:25]Christina: [00:00:25] That’s exactly right. I did. I’m now full of the 5g and got my second dose of the vaccine, had a little fever some joint pains, arm pain some feeling like everything was sucked out of me, but I’m on the up and up now. So not a hundred percent, but I’m feeling a lot better. And honestly, Would take this times 10, right? [00:00:47] Like I’ve never, like I said before, like I’ve never been happier to feel kind of crappy for a day or so, like bring it on. [00:00:54] Brett: [00:00:54] Yeah, I just got my second Pfizer shot on Wednesday. And. [00:01:00] I had taken like Thursday off. I figured like the first shot I was pretty sick for the day after was not really up for doing anything. So I took a Thursday off with the assumption that I was going to feel like crap. And I actually felt pretty much fine. [00:01:15] Like my arm hurt like crazy, but uh, in a low grade headache all day, but my energy didn’t like, I was fine. And then today I got some of the other symptoms, including having to spend some extra time in the bathroom. We’ll just call it that. Yes. That seems like a a polite way to put it. Yes. But that’s settling down now, too. [00:01:39] So all in all, like I, the second shot was actually easier for me than the first one for anyone who’s, got that vaccine hesitancy because the second one sounds scary. [00:01:51] Christina: [00:01:51] It totally sounds scary, but I’ve been, I would try to tell people it’s like a everybody’s responses seem to be different there’s people who are older or who [00:02:00] have immune systems that might not be as great, apparently have less side effects, which great. B, because this is what they claim anyway, that like, what you’re getting is like your immune system fighting stuff. [00:02:09] But even if like you’re hesitant, you’re kind of worried. It’s not the end of the world. It’s not like the worst thing you’ve ever had is just like, Oh yeah, this is more than what you would get from a flu shot. Which makes sense. Because as we’ve been trying to tell people for the last year, plus this is not the flu. [00:02:27] Brett: [00:02:28] And there’s a time limit on these side effects. Like for the vast majority of people, it’s max 48 hours. [00:02:35] Christina: [00:02:35] Exactly. That’s the thing, right? So if you can schedule it, like towards the end of the week, I would say to do that if you’re really worried, but I mean, I think even like the most unhelpful employers are all like, at least in the United States and the rest of the world tends to have better labor practices than we do. [00:02:56] So, we’re talking about the U S here. I think that’s probably where most of our audience is [00:03:00] anyway, but I think even like the most like horror, like bad employers are like, yeah, we’ll understand if, you’re feeling kind of, shitty, for 48 hours max, after your vaccine dose, like it’s a small amount of pain for a huge amount of upside and I’m. [00:03:18] What strikes me and I don’t, I’ve been thinking about this a lot. We haven’t talked about this, that much on our podcast and we don’t talk about science and I’m not a science person, but I’m so just still stunned in Ford by what they have been able to do with the vaccines in such a short period of time. [00:03:35] Like it gets, it’s nothing short of remarkable. I was I was recording a podcast earlier this week for Microsoft and Microsoft CTO. Kevin Scott was interviewing a molecular chemist at university of Washington and they were talking about some of this stuff and the doctor, I can’t think of his last name right now. [00:03:52] He was saying that the technology that we have. 10 or 15 years ago, we wouldn’t have been able to do what we’re doing now. [00:04:00] And just thinking about how impressive it is, especially like all of that work is impressive. I’m not wanting to take away from one type of vaccine over another, but especially with the MRN vaccines like that from a technological standpoint is so fascinating and is so incredible that they’ve been able to do this in such a short period of time. [00:04:20] Brett: [00:04:20] As a side note though, and this isn’t to belittle that this is in support of that the, especially the MRN. Vaccine, they didn’t start developing this when COVID started like these vaccines of this type, the idea of a global influenza pandemic has been predicted for some time. And companies were kind of banking like research R and D was banking on the fact that this was bound to happen. [00:04:49] So like, it wasn’t that they were starting from scratch and suddenly surprised by the idea of COVID. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] no, absolutely. But the interesting thing is because what they can kind of do [00:05:00] now is they can program, the types of proteins and molecules and, like, I guess like, RNA kind of like outline things of what they need. Like, that’s the impressive thing is they’re basically able to like, program what they need, to, to combat these things. [00:05:14] Whereas in the past how the scientist was explaining it is that historically stuff has been like, you look at, it’s like, you look at nature and you’re like, okay, how does this occur in nature? And what can we take that is already naturally occurring? It wasn’t intentional. So like, if you wanted to solve a problem, like you would look to nature and you’d find something there and then you figure like how do we modify it? [00:05:36] So you look into nature and you’d be like, okay, what naturally exists that could counteract this disease or whatever, but now they can actually design these things within tent. And as you said, they’ve been working on this technology for years and they ready for this, so they’re able to do it, but it’s this culmination of all the scientific and technological research that has, sped up to the point that even with that, [00:06:00] headstart, it’s still nothing short of incredible to me that we are from like a scientific and tech technology, like standpoint at that place where they can do these things and they can be effective. [00:06:11] Like it’s it’s truly Saifai right. Like in a good way. [00:06:16] Brett: [00:06:16] spilling over into other areas of research too. Like the strides we made working on the COVID vaccine have had implications and everything from Alzheimer’s to cancer research as well. [00:06:27] Christina: [00:06:27] Yeah. Without a doubt. And I think that it’s kind of invigorated that community a little bit. One of the other things that the the professor and scientist said was that the actual thing, and I think this is true and fair, but this actually goes to the cancer and Alzheimer’s step two is that evaluating safety takes longer than the design. [00:06:45] And so a lot with a lot of these things. And certainly we saw this with the vaccines and that’s why they did testing. And they certainly are trying to be cautious with it, but we’ve been seeing like what the real bottlenecks have been. And I would argue this is accurate. Like, [00:07:00] I don’t think this is a bad thing. [00:07:01] I think that this is the right bottleneck, but the real bottleneck hasn’t been, how long does it take to design this it’s been okay. How do we ensure that this is safe and. But still, when you think about that, like historically with vaccines and with other sorts of scientific breakthroughs, the amount of time to design that system would be many times longer than the time that you would need to evaluate it, is this safe or not? [00:07:28] Brett: [00:07:28] Yeah. [00:07:29] Christina: [00:07:29] So it’s interesting that it switched and I love it. Like it’s really great. And I hope that we see more of these breakthroughs in areas like Alzheimer’s and cancer and the rare diseases that we haven’t ever maybe been able to spend a lot of money and time focusing on because it, they affect such a small portion of people and you can only do so much, but it’s like, okay, if you, again, if you’re able to design these things with intent and you’re able to kind of, map these things to solve specific problems that could really change things for a whole lot of people. [00:07:58]Brett: [00:07:58] We’ll get to star Trek [00:08:00] level medical science at some point. Did you know that there, like there is a non-trivial amount of physics research that goes into warp drives? Like, I mean, they’re currently in an impossibility and we have, Einstein’s kind of speed limit of the speed of light for objects of mass. [00:08:21] But like the idea at first floated in the thirties of being able to warp space, time to move faster than the speed of light became kind of the premise for star Trek and all like space travel since then. So like all of these physicists have been working there. They’re peer reviewed, published papers on this dating back 50 years and they’ve been working to figure out like, how can we make warp drive real? [00:08:50]And that’s [00:08:51] Christina: [00:08:51] Which I love that I am Ad. It’s funny. You mentioned that because actually some of the other people that Kevin Scott has interviewed over the course of the couple of years, we’ve done our podcast. [00:09:00] Like he interviewed a science fiction, author and technologist. I can’t think of the guy’s name, but he’s relatively famous. [00:09:04] And it is interesting to see, and I love this because as nerds like this does appeal to us, but it is so interesting to see both the ways that CII has had a direct influence on people researching the real ways to make that happen. And then you also have the corollary, which is, the real things that are out there have been inspirations to Saifai like, it’s this really cool fulfilling prophecy, like, like self, like, like circular kind of, thing which is awesome. [00:09:34] But no, I love actually thinking about the fact that you have, like high-minded physicists who are having to write papers that are in some ways, not different, not that different from. The papers that I wrote in college when I was a film major, like, like analyzing star Trek, except they’re taken from like a very scientific standpoint versus, me, which was like looking at the structure and the other stuff, but at the same, but at the same [00:10:00] time, it was like about the same thing. [00:10:01] Right? Like you’re taking this fantasy, this medium and being like, okay, but how could we make that happen? And I mean, I think that’s brilliant. I love it. [00:10:09] Brett: [00:10:09] I’ve gotten back into reading William Gibson recently. [00:10:12] Christina: [00:10:12] Oh, I love William Gibson. [00:10:13] Brett: [00:10:13] Like, and like, Neuromancer, I can’t remember what year Neuromancer came out, but late eighties, early nineties and like 84. Yeah. Like he was prescient about all of this stuff. Like, I mean, this is this guy who coined the term cyberspace. Like he, he knew what was up, [00:10:33] Christina: [00:10:33] So he did. Yeah. Grant my [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] to the matrix and all of that is in there. [00:10:37] It’s cool stuff. [00:10:39] Christina: [00:10:39] Yeah, I grant actually, when we first started dating bread, Durham answer to me, and that was the first time I’d ever gotten into pivotal. It is actually, and like, I’d read Philip K Dick, and I done some scifi stuff, but not a lot of it, to be honest. And I really wasn’t familiar with cyberpunk when we started dating, because I was relatively young and like I was into other types of fiction and whatnot, but [00:11:00] like, yeah, the cyberpunk genre I mean, I’d seen a Kira and things like that, but I like, I really wasn’t familiar with like the to be honest, I really wasn’t familiar with the reading stuff and yeah, like, Neuromancer or I want to go back and read that because it’s so good. [00:11:16] And I would like to read some of his other things too, because everything I’ve read by him is just incredible. [00:11:20] Brett: [00:11:20] I had I had Patrick Rhone on systematic yesterday, and it was a great episode. Anyone who hasn’t heard that should check it out, but William Gibson came up in a larger literary discussion, but also Neal Stephenson and snow crash. And I think I’m gonna finish Neuromancer and then I’m going to do MonaLisa overdrive, but then I think I am gonna go revisit snow crash. [00:11:44] Christina: [00:11:44] Yeah. I read snow crash. I don’t remember how long ago I read it, but I remember also like being really good and it was so weird for me. I’m reading some of this stuff after basically a whole lifetime of those concept [00:12:00] being infused in my culture and my upbringing, but without knowing like what some of the basis for that was right. [00:12:06] Like that’s the interesting thing is that it’s like if you ask the average person have you read Neuromancer what’s it about, most of them would be like, no, but when you bring in the themes that were explored there that maybe came out before people were born, maybe right after, or maybe, just, but I’ve become like touchstones to our culture, even for people who think that they’re completely disconnected from all of that. Right. Even people who don’t identify with that, like those concepts, like th like the matrix lives on, like, it’s depressing and upsetting for me that the term red pilling exists. [00:12:39] Right. Like, like that’s very upsetting. Especially given, the the things that they stand for and whatnot, but like, that’s just goes to show you, like, there are all these things that have been these cultural touchstones that have become infused in ways I’m repeating myself, but like, you wouldn’t even know it. [00:12:53] And I think that like, snow crash is one of those, like, Neuromancer, there’s some of the others blade runner gets, I think the [00:13:00] right amount of praise and the right amount of recognition, because it is like that outsize, like the one everybody knows, even though if you ask most people, have you ever see blade runner? [00:13:10] They would say no. Which is like the funny thing but I think he gets the right amount of recognition, but some of these other things, it’s just so interesting to think about, like all these little things that we’re not even aware of that have just become part of our culture and yeah. [00:13:24]Brett: [00:13:24] The weird thing about snow crash is like the book, the title refers to static on a monitor. And that’s a concept that kids today they’ve never seen a TV turn on and be nothing but static. And so it’s got it. Wasn’t it was the same at the beginning of Neuromancer there’s he refers to this kind of this blue haze that was intended to reference the the warming up of a CRT tube. [00:13:51]That, that moment before the picture comes on and Gibson’s like, yeah, I made these references that seemed so in embedded in our [00:14:00] culture, That I never imagined, there would be a generation that had no idea what that looked like, but speaking of red pilling did you know Prager, you did a breakdown of 1984 where they tried to cast Donald Trump as Winston. [00:14:16] Christina: [00:14:16] Oh my God. [00:14:18] Brett: [00:14:18] I feel like they got it a little bit upside down. [00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] I mean, Oh my God. It’s like, it was so interesting to me is. Okay. And it’s not like I like Iran because, she had many problems, but people like to take her politics and her things and like apply it to the whole dystopic fiction genre. And it’s like, you couldn’t be more wrong. [00:14:40] Right. Like Huxley and Bradbury and Orwell. We’re not that. And so a lot of these books and these things that people on that end try to like use as, confirmation for their own theories. It’s like, you’re not understanding what this is saying. Right. Like, I’ll be honest. I think that on the left people [00:15:00] go way too far too. [00:15:01] And sometimes veer into stuff where I’m frankly uncomfortable and I’m like, okay, hold up. But they’re certainly not like trying to reframe 1984 and to being something that it wasn’t like, [00:15:10] Brett: [00:15:10] And to be the opposite of what it was. [00:15:12] Christina: [00:15:12] that’s what I’m saying. Right. I mean, it’s always been funny to me because I’ve seen this where I’ve seen like people on the right trying to retake Brave new world and trying to apply it to their own things. [00:15:22] And I’m like, okay, first of all, you don’t understand the historical context of when it was written. You don’t know anything about Huxley. You didn’t know anything about what it was saying. Like this is not what you think it is at all. And, [00:15:34] Brett: [00:15:34] Cancel culture is not big. Brother turns out. [00:15:37] Christina: [00:15:37] exactly. It’s like, like brave new world was published in 1932. Like it, it is, if you look at like the social climate of the UK, then you look at like what Huxley believed in. He is not someone who was railing against the same things that the right wing today is railing against to, to be fair. [00:15:56] There are also things that he rails against imparities that I think [00:16:00] sometimes people on the far, far left would embrace. And I think that’s a problem problematic as well, but that doesn’t mean that it is in any way, something that like the right can claim, because it’s not about that. It’s like, no, he’s actually, anti-fascism like, anti-state control. [00:16:18] Like what are you not understanding? [00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah. Speaking of people off their rockers you want to do a health corner? [00:16:26] Christina: [00:16:26] Yeah, let’s do a health corner. What’s up with the Brett’s mental health update. [00:16:29]Brett: [00:16:29] I took a week. I did I didn’t even work on bunch. I should say I took three or four days and in anticipation, I’ve got a start date for my job. [00:16:39] Christina: [00:16:39] Awesome. Yeah. I saw that on Facebook, I think, or Twitter. When, once your start date. [00:16:43]Brett: [00:16:43] May 3rd. So, so at the, when I got the start date, it meant I had two weeks. So I decided to take that first week and just fuck off and and kind of gather my wits, I suppose. And then now I’m onto the part where I [00:17:00] try to wrap up as many of my personal projects as possible. But yeah, it was kind of weird. [00:17:06] Like I’ve watched a lot of YouTube and played a lot with kittens and just and just, I just took some time. It was unusual for me. I feel okay. It’s all gonna work out. [00:17:22] Christina: [00:17:22] I’m happy for you. I’m happy for you. [00:17:24] Brett: [00:17:24] did this background check. That’s still ongoing. I’m not supposed to talk too much about the hiring process. That’s part of, but one of the things that you’re welcome to talk about your new job, but here, the, so I’m going to tiptoe around this, but the the hiring process includes a background check just to verify stuff on your resume. [00:17:46] But I’m being asked to verify that I was self-employed from 2014 till now. And like I’ve had income coming from so many different sources that most of them weren’t [00:18:00] enough to trigger tax documents or anything like that. So I have my blog. I have years of podcast episodes. Like I have an online trail that shows exactly what I was doing, but I don’t know how to verify it. [00:18:13] Christina: [00:18:13] No. Yeah. I ran into a similar issue with my like background check when I joined Microsoft in so far as I worked at digital media companies who don’t answer their phones. And so verifying employment became like this really stressful thing, especially at mashville where I’ve worked for seven years and they wouldn’t answer their phones and they wouldn’t do other things. [00:18:33] And finally, I had to like email the HR bitch and I was like, Hey, I need a letter verifying that I worked here because. I’m starting a job and this is of utmost importance. And then she blew me off. She was like, yeah let’s pay all the stakes and might be a while. And I was like, bitch, fortunately this very nice kid who worked for her, who ironically we’d switched jobs like the same week. [00:18:55] Like he left a Gawker and went to Nashville and I left Nashville and went to Gawker. [00:19:00] So, and we were also located in the same building. So it wasn’t one of those things where I couldn’t just pop upstairs and grab this, it’s like, it would have taken her two seconds to print something out and I could have gone upstairs and grab this. [00:19:11]It, it was the dumbest thing. And he was like, no, I’ll get this out to you. And he got me a letter and I was able to get it to them, but it was frustrating. Also Univision, ironically, the phone number on the paycheck didn’t work because it was one of those things. Like, you don’t want to blow up, like, in your case, you didn’t have this issue, but like, I didn’t want to blow up my spot necessarily. [00:19:31] Like with my. Coworkers would be like, Hey, I got a new job and I haven’t told people yet. Cause I didn’t tell people until the background check was clear cause I’m not dumb. And and I was trying to be, cause you never like, I wasn’t, to my knowledge, I hadn’t done anything that would preclude me from working, [00:19:48] Brett: [00:19:48] I, the same nervousness. I have a clean history. [00:19:52] Christina: [00:19:52] totally, you have just that the natural paranoia and so Univision wouldn’t do it. So I got my W2’s but finally I just told Sarah the receptionist, I was [00:20:00] like, somebody’s going to call and they’re going to ask if I work here and if you could just say yes, she was like, cool, no problem. [00:20:06] Congrats on the new job. I was like, thanks. But it ended up taking like another 10 days because of that. So I, I feel you on your issue because you have all this stuff and you’re like, how do I verify this? I. [00:20:19] Brett: [00:20:19] for like, for four years of my quote unquote employment history, I was running my own business that I eventually like it bankrupted. So I don’t have like the, that was 10 years ago. I don’t have the like incorporation documents or anything. Fortunately, they don’t seem to be asking about that. [00:20:39]I mean, there’s an incorporation record that the business at some point existed, I’m sure I’m listed as the owner. I think that one’s going to be okay, it’s this this years of being a writer, podcaster, blogger, freelancer that I, I. [00:20:54]Christina: [00:20:54] It’s it’s called the creator economy or you’re an influencer or creator, I think though is that’s the term designer. [00:21:00] [00:21:00] Brett: [00:21:00] Creator. Alright. That’s what I’ll tell them. Cause it’s an outsource company. It’s not, I’m not actually working with Oracle on this. Some working with a third party. [00:21:10] Christina: [00:21:10] Yeah. That’s usually how that works. Unfortunately. I don’t remember who Microsoft used to use somebody and then I have to go through I think it’s a, it’s much shorter, but I have to, every two years I have to go through like a much smaller background check because I work on cloud. So, because I work on cloud stuff that have to go through like another, like, like every two years they have to like, verify like, okay, you haven’t been convicted of financial fraud. [00:21:34]And that’s what I’ve been told are like the things they care about. Like they don’t care about other types of, convictions or whatever. They’re like, have you been convicted of financial [00:21:41] Brett: [00:21:41] It’s very specific crime that affects our our credibility in liability. Yeah. [00:21:47] Christina: [00:21:47] Right. Right. And I’m like, no, I have not. So, yeah. But, [00:21:52] Brett: [00:21:52] of financial crimes [00:21:53] Christina: [00:21:53] she’s all amazing segue. [00:21:55]Brett: [00:21:55] W what did you think I was segwaying into? [00:21:57]Christina: [00:21:57] The doge coin. [00:21:58] Brett: [00:21:58] that is correct. I [00:22:00] thought you were, I was worried. You thought that was a sponsor segue. [00:22:03]Christina: [00:22:03] No I [00:22:03] Brett: [00:22:03] fact how I would segue into today’s sponsor. [00:22:06] Christina: [00:22:06] no, I did not think that you would segue into it into a sponsor segue that way because that would not be what we would want. Nope. [00:22:15]Brett: [00:22:15] Tell me about where you’re at with your doge coin. [00:22:17]Christina: [00:22:17] All friends. There’s a great episode of the Simpsons from there, I think it was the seventh season, the best season Bart on the road where they go on spring break and Bart gets a driver’s license and then is able to rent a car. And Martin joins them because he’s rich because he won a bunch of money in the futures market. [00:22:35] And there’s this scene where he’s buying things like soy always. And he’s getting all of his money and he’s like, you’re Europe, $5,000 or whatever. And he was like, very happy. And then he was like, you’re down to everything, but whatever dollars Barton, you got greedy Martin, that’s basically my doge coin stories. [00:22:51] So I’m still up. And I took out my $500 initial investment. I did go ahead and take that out. [00:23:00] Having said that the whole thing has like hit a high of like 42 cents. I probably should have sold it all then, but I didn’t, but now it in crypto in general have just crashed. So I’m still up from where I was to be clear, but like the whole thing is just it. [00:23:17] Yeah, it is it is down. [00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] Times? No, it made the wall street journal. [00:23:23] Christina: [00:23:23] Oh yeah, it was on [00:23:24] Brett: [00:23:24] it was like a bubble of sorts, but. [00:23:27] Christina: [00:23:27] massively and we all knew that this is dumb and it’s up a little bit from where it was yesterday it dropped a ton. But yeah, I mean, it is yeah. [00:23:35] Brett: [00:23:35] It’s a product with it’s all futures. There’s like absolutely no like real value to this. Like it’s nothing but up bubble. If it has any value at all, it’s all [00:23:46] Christina: [00:23:46] has no value. It is literally the most era and I’m explaining to people for it. It is the most irrational, stupid thing. Cause there’s no limit on how many coins can exist. Like. Like, like, like, like it was literally created. [00:24:00] So I like, like with literally created, she make fun of Bitcoin. Like the, literally the reason it was created was for that reason. [00:24:07] So like the dose creator is not happy. I’ve seen, I haven’t seen recent interviews, but I’ve seen interviews in the past where he was like, not happy that there’s actually like demonstrable value in this thing that he created, like to be a meme and to make fun of the stupidity of stuff. Like there used to be a Reddit bot that would like alert, like, or word you dose, for doing certain things. [00:24:27] And I just, I didn’t even buy it the right way. Like I bought it on Robinhood, which means that I don’t even own the coin in the sense that I couldn’t transfer it to a wallet and then do other stuff with it. I just like bought it with beyond exchange. It didn’t feel that which is the asshole term for real money. [00:24:41] And. I knew that. And I was like, I don’t care. Like, this is just the easiest way to do it. I don’t want to go through like trying to get an exchange in a wallet and all that. So I don’t care. Cause this is funny to me. Like this whole thing is just stupid and I’m still up, but I’m down. Like from where I was like, if I had sold, like I should’ve sold last [00:25:00] Friday and I would have like, I would have tripled my money. [00:25:04] Brett: [00:25:04] was like 500% at that point. [00:25:06] Christina: [00:25:06] yeah, totally. It was ridiculous. And I did not, but I have no regrets because I went into this thing for the meme. [00:25:13] Brett: [00:25:13] The wall street journal did point out that the first woman elected to office in the U S was put on the ballot as a joke. And that sometimes things that start as joke do end up having real value. [00:25:26]Christina: [00:25:26] Yeah. I mean, it’s look it’s whatever the market wants to pay for it. Right. If the market thinks that something is real enough and they can do that like, but there’s no rationality here. Like, it is truly like a GameStop sort of situation, but even dumber because again, like there’s no limit to this. [00:25:44] Like that’s the thing. And it’s like, if you just wanted to, grind and, create more and more of this, like there’s not like at least with Bitcoin as dumb as it is, like there’s a finite number of them and that’s it. And so you could theoretically see that’s why the value will go up because you can’t create any more. [00:25:59] And so [00:26:00] inflation. It doesn’t exist in kind of the traditional way, but this is, even with regular money, like you don’t just print more of it. They have to be very strategic about how and why they decide to infuse more cash and like introduce more money into the system. So this doesn’t have any of that. [00:26:17] So it’s dumb. It’s just stupid. But I knew that like, as we discussed last week, I knew that I was just like, I was just going to Justin’s advice. He was like, look as long as you’re up even a dollar you’re up. And I’m like, yeah, you know what? Yeah. And then the way I look at it, and this is like from such a privileged, selfish asshole place, but it’s true because I forgot that I had the money in this account. [00:26:39] So I didn’t care. I’d already like budgeted around it, but B if I lose that’s a tax write off. So I, our way I went, like, I’m not mad either way. [00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] Did I ever tell you about working when I was working in Vegas, like not working. And I, like, I had jobs that would take me to Vegas and we would stay [00:27:00] in hotels. And I learned like I was drinking at the time. And I learned that if you had money in the video poker machine, your drinks were free and they would bring you food as long as you were playing. [00:27:16] So I would go down to the bar with a $20 bill, slip it into the video slot machines, right at the bar. And then just keep playing enough that I didn’t run out of money. So like, and I basically, my goal would be to drink for free and pull out 20 bucks at the end of the night. As long as I was up at dollar, I was good. [00:27:38] Christina: [00:27:38] I love that. I love that. [00:27:40] Brett: [00:27:40] The alcoholics guide to working in Las Vegas. [00:27:44] Christina: [00:27:44] no, I mean, I think that’s a smart thing to do. I mean, And that is, I think one of Vegas’s greatest Griffes and how they are always able to ensure that the house always wins or whatever is the whole, like, we will give you free drinks and free food, as [00:28:00] long as you’re playing, because people are like, Oh, see I’m making money off of this. [00:28:03] This is a great deal. And not realizing the drunker I get, like that, the more full I feel, the more willing I am going to be just continuing to shove money into this. Exactly. And [00:28:14] Brett: [00:28:14] the insidious scent marketing. Have you ever read about the smells they pump into casinos? It’s disturbing, like, I mean, Macy’s does the same thing. Like scent marketing is not bizarre, but they have very, they’ve spent so much money on researching exactly what fragrances and smells will lower people’s inhibition and increase their willingness to spend big, scary stuff. [00:28:42] Christina: [00:28:42] It is. And then, the lights, that’s another thing too. They like never know what they you’d like, never know what time it is, because it’s always bright, like, like they, they never want you to know that it’s three o’clock in the morning. They never want you to, there are so many things that they do from a psychological article, which is really [00:28:59] Brett: [00:28:59] going to [00:29:00] lie. I like it. Like I love I’m not a gambling addict. Like I’ve never not been able to walk away, but I really loved that feeling of that the next one’s going to be the big hit for me. Like, no matter what game I’m playing that feeling, the combination of the lights and the sounds and the smell and just this, like on the precipice of winning big feeling, even if full well, you’re not, I do enjoy gambling. [00:29:26]Christina: [00:29:26] Yeah. I mean, I always was one of those things. I wouldn’t call myself an addict because I don’t have an ID. I do not have an addictive personality and I am always able to stop, but I do like the feeling and like, as a kid, I figured out really early on. That I could maybe like it too much. It could maybe be problematic, but I didn’t like keep myself in check because I had the video game, biggest stakes for super Nintendo. [00:29:50] And I was like 10 years old. And that was how I learned to play poker and some other things. And I loved that game and I would like it, cause your whole thing is to win like as much money as you [00:30:00] can, and to go to better and better hotels and things and whatnot. And I was miss Christina and that’s, what they would call me and like, you’d get upgraded, to like the next hotel. [00:30:08] And you go into these nice little suites and all this stuff. And like, it was great. And I had a great time playing it, but it was one of those things where I would play for like hours a day and I’d be like, Oh, okay, this could be a problem. Right? Like this is where my real money. This could be a problem. [00:30:24] And. When I was 16, I was on a cruise and I was gambling illegally. And I did really well but I cashed out, my sister kept being like, go more. And I was like, no, I think that it would, I would enjoy this too much. So I’m always able to stop myself, but I like you, I enjoy it. Like, I’m always able to set like a clear limit with myself being like, this is the maximum amount you were willing to lose, but that doesn’t mean that I’m not the sort of person like, so I’m I have a strong enough like personality and strong enough, like control to be able to be like, I’m not going to lose more than this. [00:30:57] And once I hit this Mark, I’m done. What [00:31:00] I don’t have is like the impulse to be like, I’m not going to play until I lose this much. Right. because sometimes cause it can go either way. Like sometimes you cash out and you make a lot in your you’re great. But there’s also kind of that there could be that compulsion, which is like, okay, I’ve given myself permission to lose $500. [00:31:16]But I’m going to continue to play until I lose $500. Right. [00:31:20]Brett: [00:31:20] I, yeah, I have like, no, I have no negative gambling stories. Like I’ve always, either had fun losing, the amount of money. I said it was okay to lose or I’ve come out ahead. And yeah I considering my personality considering how easily I get addicted to things, I think it’s actually pretty impressive that gambling has never sent me into a bad place. [00:31:45]Christina: [00:31:45] I’m pretty impressed with that too. Yeah. And I’ve never had the, like, I would never feel bad about it. Right. Like I’ve always had a good time and I would never do it if I didn’t like, feel good about it. The thing where I have been able to kind of be maybe in a place where you don’t realize how much you’re spending and it never became a [00:32:00] problem, but I wrote a post about it once and I can’t find it, but like I spent $800 on candy crush. [00:32:05] Brett: [00:32:05] Whoa, that’s problematic. [00:32:08] Christina: [00:32:08] I agree. like, not at one time, it was just over, it was over the course of a couple of months, [00:32:13] Brett: [00:32:13] That’s why I won’t play any game where you can pay to get ahead because I will make that mistake or I will think $10 here. Isn’t such a big deal. I’m really [00:32:24] Christina: [00:32:24] No last thing. That’s the thing. Right. And it was never to get ahead. It was just for extra lives and stuff like that. And it’s just cause you want to continue to play. And when I did the math and I realized how much I’d spent over a couple months on candy crush, like my colleagues were freaked out. [00:32:38] I [00:32:38] Brett: [00:32:38] you feel sick to your stomach, huh? [00:32:40] Christina: [00:32:40] it does. I mean, I was amused more than anything to be honest. Like I wasn’t super, I [00:32:46] Brett: [00:32:46] yeah. Cause you’re rich. I forgot. [00:32:49] Christina: [00:32:49] Oh, I wasn’t rich then. And I’m not rich now. Like, trust me. I’m I’m I mean, like for some people’s standards maybe, but I’m not, but it’s like, where I live and what, [00:33:00] yeah. [00:33:00] I’m not rich. It’s certainly I’m not the sort person you can just lose $800 and be like, [00:33:03] Brett: [00:33:03] you. It’s okay. [00:33:04]Christina: [00:33:04] No, you’re not. I’m just trying to be clear. Like this was when I lived in New York and I was certainly not right. And I didn’t have, because I wasn’t getting paid what I’m being paid now. And my cost of living and other expenses and stuff were greater. [00:33:19] And so, but it was over a couple months and yeah, you do kind of feel sick, but it was not one of those things where I was like, beating myself up over it. If that makes any sense. Right. I looked at it more as like, Oh, this is kind of funny, but this is bad. But it was one of those things I also was like at least I get like writing material out of it. [00:33:35]But it did make me consider, maybe go, okay, I can’t play these types of games or I have to give myself like a hard limit on stuff like that. That’s actually something I wish that Apple would do. Like they allow you to limit ages of people who can do in app purchases, but like, why not just limit the amount like, and I know why they don’t do it. [00:33:54] They don’t do it because they make so much money. Right. No, and that’s the thing that’s insidious to me about it. Like, [00:34:00] don’t give me this bullshit about how much you care about privacy and safety and security and all this shit and the integrity of the app store. And then you’re literally making billions and billions of dollars off of people who, because the story is about like the whales who keep a lot of those big games to float are not uncommon. [00:34:19] And you have people who do what I did, but we’re not in a financial position to do so. And didn’t like, find it funny and like it can destroy lives. And so I find like in general, I’m not in favor of Epic’s position against Apple on a lot of levels. Although I do think that like some of Apple’s rules around the app store arbitrary, and we’ve discussed that before, but in general, I’m not on Epic side. [00:34:42]But I do find egregious and hypocritical is like, you talk about the integrity of the app store, but yet you allow these. Like predatory apps to prey on people and you take a cut and it’s like, if you really cared, you would allow a mechanism to exist. That says, okay, [00:35:00] after a certain, just like screen time after you’ve spent a certain amount of money in a game, you can’t do it anymore. [00:35:06] Unless you explicitly go in and override it. Right. Like don’t even make it so that you’re saying, okay, once you’re done. Like you have to explicitly go in and override it because for a lot of people, what I think that would do, it’s not for the whales. They might still go in and do that. Right. [00:35:21] Like they might still, they might never set that limit and they might override it if that happens. But for people like me, who aren’t realizing what they’ve spent on something until they look at it and they’re like, Oh my God, what did I just do? It would be a time to have to reflect and go, Oh, I’ve just spent $25 on that. [00:35:39] Brett: [00:35:39] Is just like screen time. Like you don’t realize how much you’ve been looking at your phone until screen time tells you it’s really easy to lose track of that stuff. [00:35:47] Christina: [00:35:47] Completely. And it’s like, okay, if you’re so worried about the screen stuff and like, which I think is considerably less problematic and probably less, it’s like, okay, we care so much about the kids and the screen time and how much you’re [00:36:00] focused on this. So we’re going to give you these popups and limit your app usage. [00:36:03] You can overwrite it and whatnot, but we’re not going to give you a limit on how much you can spend this meaning in an app purchase. And it’s like, don’t tell me, you care, you don’t care. And that’s fine. Like, I want to be very clear. I’m not asking that they care. 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Find out how upstart can lower your monthly payments today. When you go to upstart.com/overtired, that’s upstart.com/overtired, and don’t forget to use our URL. [00:39:34] So they know that we sent you loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. So again, go to upstart.com/overtired and start paying off that credit card debt. [00:39:49] Christina: [00:39:49] That’s awesome. That’s awesome. I’m really glad to hear that. And I’m glad to hear that. Like you’ve saved all that money. I think a lot of people like I haven’t ever been in that situation. With credit cards, but [00:40:00] I have it’s been closed, and I know a lot of people who have, and it’s an insidious industry and the way that it preys on people where, like you said, the minimum payments don’t even cover the interest in some cases, and just really make things bad. [00:40:11] I’d have had instances where things have gone into collections and years pass and, you’re able to kind of finagle it and sometimes get the, get it down. And sometimes not. I’ve had that. I’ve had that happen to me before and it has impacted me negatively. And so I think [00:40:26]Brett: [00:40:26] I’ve never been to collections. I have always paid my bills and that’s, what’s frustrating about it is. Yeah. Like I stopped using those credit cards over a year ago yet my monthly minimum payment keeps going up because just making the minimum payment, the interest was come up, was piling up faster than the payments could cover even without spending anything. [00:40:51]It was horrible. It was it was making me lose sleep and now I’m sleeping much better. Speaking of disposable income and [00:41:00] video games, ha I’m thinking that. So over the course of the last, maybe three months on systematic, I’ve had at least four guests talk about their Oculus quest. And I’m thinking now that I have disposable income and I’ve heard from people who aren’t like your typical gamers that love their Oculus, I might have to get one. [00:41:23]Christina: [00:41:23] Yeah. I mean, I would look at it for sure. I’ve looked at this too. I think the Oculus, the nice thing about that as I, you don’t need the space that you need with some of the other ones, right? [00:41:35] Brett: [00:41:35] I have no idea. I just know people keep talking about it. So you don’t have one. [00:41:39] Christina: [00:41:39] I don’t have one. I’ve played with them. I haven’t played with the quest. I played with other ones and they’re really impressive. The one thing with Oculus quest you will need, and you, I don’t think have an ideological problem with this, but you will need a Facebook account. Because Facebook owns Oculus and they recently started requiring if you want to use apps and games and stuff, you have to actually have a Facebook account. [00:41:58]It used to be a separate system [00:42:00] but it hasn’t, it isn’t anymore. What’s neat about the Oculus quest is that, so you have like the full room scale Oculus and you have like the HTC devices and they’re great, but they require a couple of things. [00:42:13] One, they require a pretty powerful computer. You can’t really use a Mac because of issues with metal and things like that. Like if you ran things at bootcamp, maybe, but the Mac is not ideal for that. So you really need a PC and you need, a certain level of hardware that can do the output. [00:42:27] You also need. A room where you can set up the sensors to do the room-scale stuff. And it’s a really impressive experience, but a lot of people don’t have that you live in a house and you might be able to do it. I don’t have, like, I wanted to do that. And then I’m like, I do not have the physical space to set up, to do VR. [00:42:44]We have a set up in, in the studio that we never use, but we have that set up. But I just don’t have it. What’s neat about the quest is that you don’t need that. And it’s a self contained unit and it’s relatively inexpensive. And the experience from what I understand is really fun. I’m very happy with my [00:43:00] Nintendo switch and with my PlayStation at my X-Box, but if I were to get like a VR headset, that’s probably the one I would get. [00:43:07] And my friends who have it all really like it, [00:43:10] Brett: [00:43:10] So speaking of new hardware, God damn it. I’m the segue King today. Let’s talk about the Apple event. Oh my God. I, if I keep this up, this may be a record setting. Brett, like successfully segues. Oh it’s been like five times anyway. Yeah. So Apple had an event there. I absolutely loved the the what would you call a mission? [00:43:34] Impossible segway. They did like, it was so cheesy and so bad, but I loved it. [00:43:40] Christina: [00:43:40] I loved it too. My only, the only thing. And I said this on Twitter, I was like, the people who did the creative direction for that were probably not alive when and impossible came out, which is really depressing because that movie is 25 years old, but I loved it. I thought that was great. I want [00:43:56]Brett: [00:43:56] The, when they took the camera through the grass and the [00:44:00] sprinkler and everything like that, you couldn’t do this stuff with a live keynote. They’re really taking advantage of the medium. [00:44:06] Christina: [00:44:06] They are, I mean, you could do it with a live keynote. You would play like a film and then what you would do is you would have somebody like you would have Tim cook, like come out on stage after the video. Right. Like dressed the same way. Like you but it certainly was a good example of that. [00:44:20]I loved that. I also loved the woman, I, and I’m sorry that I don’t know her name, but who did the iMac presentation? She had the best outfit. Her outfit was so good. She had this amazing, like, like light blue jumpsuit and her watch was matching and her accessories on her shoes. Like the whole thing. [00:44:39] Absolutely. It was fire. It was so good. And I was like, I was so into that. I am. When I hosted Microsoft events, I always try to dress cool and have like a certain look. And I have worn jumpsuits a couple of times, but usually the way that they have me is like an, a desk shot. So like you miss half my body and you don’t see my amazing [00:45:00] shoes usually. [00:45:00] And it’s, and I’m like, damn it. Like, I’ve put all the separate notice out that nobody sees it. But looking at that was so much better even like, than the stuff that I do, that I was like actually inspired. So I’m going to be one of our hosts for Microsoft build next month. And I’m like, all right, I’m here to play. [00:45:14] I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna say that I can like match that excellence. Right. Because I just, I’m a real, and I also know how we shoot things and what our style is for that event. And the sort of posting that I’m doing, which is different than a prerecorded product demonstration, where you have the full shot. [00:45:31] And like, clearly the whole thing was art directed. Right. But it was great. And I also looking at what outfits other people wearing, although I’m sure like they were given. Instructions from people. It felt like it was probably my excuse. Maybe I’m wrong on this? Somebody at Apple, let me know on the download. [00:45:47] I will not tell, but I’m just curious, like, do you pick your clothes or does a director tell you what to wear? I’m thinking that it’s the person who plays a bigger role in picking what their outfit is going to be. But maybe the director is like, okay, what about these colors? [00:46:00] Cause usually that’s some of our stuff like I’ll bring in. [00:46:02]I always bring an options for my clothes and I’m like, all right, you pick what you want or what’s gonna, photograph better. But her outfit was so good. I was just like, I was in trance. Also the iMac part, I felt like that should have been like what they closed with. I don’t know about you. [00:46:18]Brett: [00:46:18] Aye. So the only hardware that really excited me, I mean, the IMAX stuff was it. W it’s awesome. It’s great. What they’re [00:46:27] Christina: [00:46:27] No, you were the iPad, right? [00:46:28] Brett: [00:46:28] No, I actually don’t give a shit about the iPad. It’s weird. I own an iPad pro I use it mostly for watching content. Like I don’t work on an iPad, but that Apple TV, remote that Apple TV, remote fixes so many problems I have, and I will absolutely be upgrading my Apple TV. [00:46:49] Just to get that remote with the side mounted Siri button, a mute button, a power button, an asymmetrical design, a click wheel, a it’s got [00:47:00] it’s, everything. It’s everything I’ve ever wanted. [00:47:02] Christina: [00:47:02] you’re right. It is. It is. It is everything we’ve wanted. It is my friend, Alex, Cranz wrote a blog post on the verge today. She’s the new managing editor. And Alex do you have to understand is famous for having very bad tech opinions and I’m enforcing them on all of us. And so her blog I’ll link it because I could not disagree with it more. [00:47:20] She’s one of my best friends and I hate this blog. I’m going to put this in our equip document. Cause it’s so funny. It’s called thank you for the memories, Siri, remote. And then her subhead is few Apple products have engendered as much rage as this very good remote. And then she basically writes a defense of the remote and I’m like, Kranz, this is bad. [00:47:38]Brett: [00:47:38] Take. [00:47:39] Christina: [00:47:39] Oh, completely. But also she knows that like, she might feel this way, but she knows that this is the wrong take. Like she, she’s not fooling anybody. And I know that the way that they like publish, I’m sure that the reason they publish this is because they’ve gotten to know her just as I did and love her and her, like, this is hysterical. [00:47:55]And also to be fair, it’s like such a, like, it could not be further than the knee [00:48:00] lies opinion. And so I love that because she frankly knew like they need somebody who can push back against him. Right. Like they need that. But I’m with you, like the new remote. I don’t know if it’s $70 worth isn’t that how much it costs. [00:48:14] Brett: [00:48:14] I did. I didn’t even care. I just, I know as soon as it’s available and maybe it is available. [00:48:20] Christina: [00:48:20] I think it is available right [00:48:21] Brett: [00:48:21] All right. I’ll let you know how much I spend because I’m definitely buying it. [00:48:25] Christina: [00:48:25] yeah, I’m probably going to get a new Apple TV. I don’t know when, but I’m probably gonna get one. And the new remote is definitely good. And I think that, that is like, I was with you and it was so funny. Cause I saw it, I’m like, Oh my God, they went back to the old design and they were like, what do you mean? [00:48:38] And I was like, Oh my God, we really do live in an era where people don’t remember the aluminum remote. And then somebody goes, Oh yeah, that was the original Apple remote design. And I’m like [00:48:45] Brett: [00:48:45] no, it wasn’t [00:48:47] Christina: [00:48:47] no, it wasn’t the plastic one which we loved it had a little magnet, but she was, which would attach to [00:48:51] Brett: [00:48:51] little IRR remote. It was hilarious. [00:48:54] Christina: [00:48:54] It was also durable and front row, man. That is the one thing that I am kind of mad at Apple about they spend [00:49:00] all this time. Yes. Especially when you have a widescreen 24 inch, like four and a half Cade panel. [00:49:05] Brett: [00:49:05] That is true, although, so better touch tool can do stuff with the the Siri remote and your Mac. I don’t, I’ve never tried it though. [00:49:14] Christina: [00:49:14] The it’ll be available on the 30th. So, so right before you start your job and it’s going to be, I’m trying to see how much, if I know what the remote prices, so the Apple TV is a certain thing, but they will be selling that new remote. So, [00:49:26] Brett: [00:49:26] And it’ll work with my 4k that I have [00:49:29] Christina: [00:49:29] sure. It’ll work with the 4k and the HDE and what’s neat is that they will also like that collab that watch calibration feature works will work on the old Apple TV. [00:49:39] Brett: [00:49:39] fuck. Yeah, I was so excited. Like, I don’t know if you remember spiders, but back when I worked in advertising, we’ll say graphic design, more, we used to spend hours calibrating our monitors to match like Adobe color profiles and, to try to match your monitor to what was going to come out of your [00:50:00] printer, that you also spent way too much money on. [00:50:02] And you had these things you could attach to your screen with suction cups, and it would read the like pixel values off your screen and create a calibration profile for you. And I haven’t had to use one of those for almost 15 years probably, but the fact that I can now do that to my TV, with my iPhone, excites me more than it should. [00:50:25] Christina: [00:50:25] Oh, I agree. I think that it was so funny because I kind of wanted to dunk on it at first it’s $60, by the way, for the remote. It’ll be, but you can buy it next week. And I kind of, I looked at it at first. I kinda wanted to dunk on it. And then I was, the more I thought about it. I was like, no, actually this is brilliant. [00:50:39] Like, this is actually the smartest thing I’ve seen. The only thing that is, and this is not their fault. This would be a difficult thing for them to do. And I wouldn’t even like. I wouldn’t even recommend they would even try. The only thing is like, obviously this will only calibrate it when you’re using the Apple TV. [00:50:55] Right? Like it’s not going to be able to do it in your other apps, but I think that goes [00:51:00] right. This is my point. So, we, cause typically when you would use the spiders or do other professional calibration, you have to go into the settings and you have to like Gran your early like control all those things. [00:51:10] But the thing is I think that this sort of reinforces for them the idea that like, yeah, we, we don’t make a TV, but we make this box that we essentially want to be your TV and be the only input you use. And I think that’s fairly compelling. It’s also one of those things that it’s not like I’m encouraging Samsung turf them off, but it would be smart of Samsung and Sony and LG to introduce calibration apps. [00:51:37] For their TVs because like I’ve been looking in, you can’t get them. They’re like, like graphics cards and everything else. They’re out of stock, but LG sells this 48 inch. There’s the C 10 and the new C1 TV. And it’s an old ad and it’s considered like the best gaming slash computer slash TV that you can get because it’s 4k and it’s high refresh rate and it’s AC my 2.1. [00:52:00] [00:51:59] So it’ll be great for the next gen gaming and graphics cards. And then as a high enough resolution that it can actually be used as like a computer display, high enough refresh rate with that. And people are using it for those purposes. But yeah, I would love to be able to calibrate that with my phone. [00:52:15] And how would just be such a, I’m sure that you would still have the people who want the professional calibration would still pay for people to come out and do that. Right? Like this is the thing, like, because I can already hear people’s arguments. Oh, the dealers and the installers would be so mad. [00:52:30] First of all, you’re not understanding the market of people who would do this themselves versus people who would call. And there’s a very, there’s no overlap versus the people who are willing to buy $1,200 TB or higher. In some of these cases, there are many thousands of dollars and if they want it calibrated, they will pay the extra whatever and get a professional come out and do it. [00:52:50] No problem, versus a value add to people who would never call a calibrator, like, like, like somebody else to come on, do it. They would [00:53:00] never do that. But if you had like an app to do that would be really great. Right? [00:53:06] Brett: [00:53:06] Bringing like all these people that are, have like a, we’ll say three to three to $600 TVs and are getting like you as Apple and as the center of all of the content, you have no control over. How these people are actually seeing the product. And now you’re bringing everyone up to like kind of a level playing field, [00:53:28] Christina: [00:53:28] No exactly [00:53:29] Brett: [00:53:29] everybody. [00:53:30] Christina: [00:53:30] it really does. I mean, especially with stuff like HDR, where the wrong settings and the wrong stuff can really, cause some people will look at HDR content, they have an HDR TV that supports it. And they’re like, this looks terrible. And I can’t like disagree with them because on a lot of the lower end TVs. [00:53:47] And at this point, like you only have kind of, there are a couple of counties like that LG that I’m talking about as sort of what I would call I guess your mid range, but usually you are only up like very expensive or what most of [00:54:00] us have, which are, like the three to $600 models. [00:54:02] Right. And so, and more people have those three to $600 models. Cause why would spend more like, unless you really need specific features, it’s not worth it, but you don’t understand. You’re like, okay, it does have the capabilities to do this. And the picture quality. Might not be as good, but it’s not heart garbage, but you have to adjust your settings, to make that HDR really work and Apple. [00:54:23]And I think even more to the point, like, I think this is a really great move from them for like content creators. Right. Cause if you’re wanting people to view your stuff and then you know that they’re only going to be seeing it, like looking like crap and overexposed, like that’s not cool. So I love it. [00:54:39] I’m a huge fan. [00:54:40] Brett: [00:54:40] So tune in next time to find out which which your iMac Christina’s going to get. We’ll save that for the next show. [00:54:47] Christina: [00:54:47] Say that for the next one. Actually. That’s great to save it for the next one, because that will be right before the pre-orders open. And you can hear about my justifications for why I’m going to now have to IMAX in my office. So that’s a spoiler for next week. [00:54:59] Brett: [00:54:59] All [00:55:00] right. Great episode if I do say so myself, [00:55:03] Christina: [00:55:03] Yeah, honestly. Yeah. I was a little worried about this. I’m not gonna lie. Just [00:55:06]Brett: [00:55:06] The post vaccine episodes. Yeah, I know. [00:55:10] Christina: [00:55:10] totally. But yeah, this was great. [00:55:11] Brett: [00:55:11] Yeah. Nice job. Nice job everybody. All right. All right. Hey get some sleep, Christina, [00:55:19] Christina: [00:55:19] Thank you. Get some sleep, read, hope, the hope you’re feeling better and continue taking some time off and enjoy next week. [00:55:25] Brett: [00:55:25] and get through that background check [00:55:27] Christina: [00:55:27] Absolutely fingers crossed on that, man. You got it [00:55:30]Brett: [00:55:30] later. [00:55:32] Christina: [00:55:32] later.

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Transcript Christina Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] [00:00:04] Hey, should I do the intro this week? [00:00:06] Christina: [00:00:06] Yeah, I think so. [00:00:07] Brett: [00:00:07] I feel like it’s, Hey, this is Brett. And I’m here with Christina and you’re listening to over tired. See, it’s been a while since I really screwed up. Well, [00:00:17] Christina: [00:00:17] I liked that though. I think that was actually a good intro. I like it when we mess up as does the ins, so [00:00:22] Brett: [00:00:22] I feel like it was a very familiar intro. No last names, just, [00:00:25] Christina: [00:00:25] Breton Christina. [00:00:26] Brett: [00:00:26] we all know each other here [00:00:28] Christina: [00:00:28] Basically. Yeah. How are you doing Brett? [00:00:30] Brett: [00:00:30] I am. I’m good. I we have, so we’ve been keeping the kitten. Can I just talk about my kitten? We’ve been keeping the kitten upstairs with the pet gate and then Yeti likes to come down with me. So I’ll let him down. When I go down to my office. And recently I’ve wanted to give Yeti like free roam without the gate. [00:00:53]So we have to keep the dog from going downstairs. Cause if she gets downstairs, she poops in the basement, which [00:01:00] sucks. And so I took an angle grinder and I cut a pole out of the gate. So now it’s big enough for the cats to fit through, but not the dog. And so now the kitten is exploring the basement, which is clearly Yeti’s territory. [00:01:14] So she’s a lot nicer to Yeti down here, but that means that on a regular basis, I suddenly have a kitten in my lap while I’m working and I’m waiting for it to happen during this podcast. I left the door open almost specifically so that I could be delighted by a cat, just jumping into my lap. That was a really long story to tell you that there’s a kitten in my office. [00:01:36]Christina: [00:01:36] No, but I liked it and I like that she’s in your office and I liked that. She’s doing well. This is actually though a good segue into Brett’s mental health corner. Although first, do we have any sponsors this week? [00:01:45]Brett: [00:01:45] W we are sponsored by a ritual this week. I’ll do the read on that when we get to it. [00:01:51] Christina: [00:01:51] Fantastic. Now I just wanted it to be able to give them a shout out earlier in the show. If we needed to, I don’t know how the contract stuff [00:01:57] Brett: [00:01:57] Yeah, no, they don’t ask for it, but [00:02:00] that’s we go above and beyond and let you know that we are sponsored by ritual at the top of the show [00:02:05]Christina: [00:02:05] Solutely all right. So let’s segue now into breaths. Men’s Brett’s mental health corner. So other than, having to keep the cat from pooping in the basement, how the dog, I’m sorry, the dog poops in the basement. I’m sorry. The dog groups, the basements. And you need to keep the kitten away from it. [00:02:22] Other than that how are you doing. [00:02:23]Brett: [00:02:23] Overall really good. For some reason today I’m super scattered and I just cannot latch onto one project, which I know ADHD, but I’ve been super good for the last month. So this is weird. [00:02:39] Christina: [00:02:39] Yeah. I was going to say when we were talking before our show about a couple of things that you’re like, yeah, I’m super scattered and I can’t focus on anything like important. I was like, Oh Oh weekday, because I don’t know this year, especially my ADHD has been out of control, but I’ve been really glad yours has been better, but I’m super sorry that it’s not, but other [00:03:00] than the ADHD, Venus everything else good on, on the mental health front. [00:03:04] Brett: [00:03:04] Yeah I just had an appointment with my psychiatrist. Was it yesterday or the day before? I forget now. But I was happy to report for that since our last meeting, I had not had a single, like upper down mood swing. Things are so stable and not like boring, stable, like I’m in like a good place. [00:03:23] Christina: [00:03:23] So I’m so happy to hear that. So it’s you’re not drugged. You’re not like in like a stasis point, but you’re also not like having the, instability thing. That’s awesome. [00:03:31] Brett: [00:03:31] Yeah, I think it’s a good time to start a day job. [00:03:34]Christina: [00:03:34] Honestly, it is any updates on that. [00:03:36]Brett: [00:03:36] No, I keep getting messages of encouragement and just be patient it’s going to happen. So I’m just being patient now. I believe them it’s going to happen. [00:03:46]Edit: got the offer this morning [00:03:48]Christina: [00:03:48] Okay, so I’m sorry for being distracted I a bit, but I’m very happy to hear that things are progressing well on that front. I’m very sorry to be distracted. This is my ADHD ness breaking news on my [00:04:00] front and I don’t know, like I might have to sell in a couple of minutes. I don’t know. I made a meme post shit, post bad financial decision about 36 hours ago. [00:04:09]Coinbase, the crypto, like holding things or whatever, what public and before it was going public crazy stuff was happening with the doge coin, which, it was like a fake currency and [00:04:21] Brett: [00:04:21] was a fake currency. [00:04:23] Christina: [00:04:23] yeah, I’m cur I bought it at $500 36 hours ago. I’m currently at over 800. In doge coin. It’s no it’s gone up 60% in 36 hours. [00:04:35]Oh no. Okay. Now I’m back down to seven 86. I should have sold when I was at 800, but I’m going to have to not watch this because this is just insane to me. Like I literally bought it as a Lark and it’s very possible that yeah, if it hits, if I get to the point where I’m, I’ve doubled my money, aren’t getting anywhere close to that. [00:04:51] I’m getting out and I’m being like, ha. Because this is dumb. This is the dumbest thing ever. [00:04:56] Brett: [00:04:56] If you want to check it, when we get to the sponsor read, if you want to [00:05:00] check in and figure out if you need to sell I’ll cover for you. [00:05:03]Christina: [00:05:03] Yeah, no, I just that was it. The ADHD thing, but also just the stupidity of the world right now. If we can be totally honest because there, I forgot that I had money in an account that I was able to buy stuff with and I was just like, okay, I’ll just do this because it will be funny. And I’m, it’s midnight, I’m bored and whatever. [00:05:22]And yes, I recognize my immense privilege that I just had $500 that I could essentially flush down the toilet. However but in fairness to me, I’d already accounted for it, not being around, like I’d already budgeted around it. So anyway but I also acknowledged my massive privilege and all of this having said that this is still stupid, even by those like, this is just dumb. [00:05:43] So [00:05:44] Brett: [00:05:44] One time. I so you’ve heard of MindMeister the online mind-mapping tool. [00:05:52] Christina: [00:05:52] I have. [00:05:53] Brett: [00:05:53] They, I have like affiliate links for them. Cause I’m a big fan and I talk about them all the time. So they sent me up with the affiliate [00:06:00] program and I started using those links. This is a few years back. Probably almost a decade ago. [00:06:06] I started using them and then promptly forgot that they were affiliate links. So after a couple years I remember, Oh, I should go check my account there and see if I’ve made any money. There was $2,000 sitting in my account that I had to request a withdrawal of. Cause I forgot that I had money. like to make a correction at the top of the hour here. I, and I know that I do this wrong and I didn’t think about it, but I went with P w N E D. I know it’s pronounced poned, but I always say pond. I, when I insert the missing Val, I always pick a, and then you followed my lead on that because you’re very polite. [00:06:49] But our entire last episode about pony judge, I kept saying ponage. So I would like to admit my mistake and make a public [00:07:00] correction that it is poem. [00:07:01] Christina: [00:07:01] Okay. It is pony. And this is where I now admit like one of my mistakes. I think I followed you along because I’ve never pronounced the P I’ve always just pronounced it as own edge. [00:07:12]Brett: [00:07:12] Okay. And I think there’s an argument to be made for that too. Let’s just not say words that are only meant to be written. [00:07:20] Christina: [00:07:20] Yeah. Let’s just not say elite, speak aloud. [00:07:22]Brett: [00:07:22] Yeah. But we’ll just go silent. That doesn’t work. [00:07:26] Christina: [00:07:26] No, it doesn’t [00:07:27] Brett: [00:07:27] could spell the words out every time. You know what I didn’t do before we started. [00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] What’s that [00:07:34] Brett: [00:07:34] See if anyone left us a goddamn review on iTunes yet [00:07:38]Christina: [00:07:38] I was going to say I haven’t checked and I would very much like to see if anybody has listened to us and has done that, because that would be really great. [00:07:48] Brett: [00:07:48] showing results for over tired. Oh, I’m in music. I have to open. It’s a separate app now. [00:07:55] Christina: [00:07:55] I know, I hate it so much. [00:07:57]Brett: [00:07:57] This is good radio. [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] This is [00:08:00] fantastic. Are you, this is why people listen to our podcast and leave us one star. No, excuse me. Two star reviews, because we tried and they’re like, this is the most boring stuff ever. And it sounds like two really tired people. That’s exactly what this [00:08:11]Brett: [00:08:11] We have new one. W we have a couple. Oh, okay. Okay. From someone named Dayton, TP, for someone with anxiety, OCD, and stays up too late each night, I can relate to many of the topics of discussion on this podcast. I have also been in software development for over 20 years. So I enjoy that side of the discussions. [00:08:32]Five stars, [00:08:34] Christina: [00:08:34] Oh, thank you. Dayton PT. That’s so nice. [00:08:37]Brett: [00:08:37] Star review from Sam salmon. Seminoma. Only better when tired, both tech and some pop news, media, bits, and pieces, both hosts are excellent and true longtime friends. And it shows the sh the show is quirky, but awesome. I can’t say I’ve heard them all, but I did start listening pretty early. [00:08:56] Christina was in Brooklyn. Wow. W [00:09:00] people did listen to us. Oh. And [00:09:02] Christina: [00:09:02] Oh, gee. Hell yeah. Thank you. [00:09:03] Brett: [00:09:03] Jay Miller friend of the show, because they understand my brain better than me. Five stars. I got diagnosed with ADHD and anxiety after I was able to identify some of my own behavioral patterns in these two breaths men at coding States. [00:09:18] And Christina’s excellent taste in things, code shoes, and drama. Always leave me wanting to check into everything they talk. [00:09:24]Christina: [00:09:24] Aw. Thank you, Shea. That’s so nice. I’m going to cry. you, listeners. This is really nice. [00:09:33] Brett: [00:09:33] Do you ever have good tastes in shoes? [00:09:35] Christina: [00:09:35] I do have good taste in shoes. [00:09:37]Brett: [00:09:37] I don’t get shoes. I’ve realized I love like women’s fashion. If if a significant other says, how do I look in this? I am happy to like, find all the great things about what they’re wearing. I really enjoy women’s clothing, but I don’t like there I, it’s not a foot fetish. [00:09:56] Like I just am always happier. An [00:10:00] outfit always looks better with bare feet to me. Like I don’t, I think I dislike shoes. [00:10:04]Christina: [00:10:04] That’s fair and shoes are definitely one of those things where you don’t always need it in an outfit. Sometimes for certain styles, it can be fine without, but I will say, I think that the right shoe can really pull an entire thing together and the wrong shoe can kill an outfit. [00:10:24] Brett: [00:10:24] You’re going to say the left shoe. [00:10:25] Christina: [00:10:25] Now that would have been actually funnier. [00:10:28] Brett: [00:10:28] I think my cat’s about to unplug my microphone. If I disappear, [00:10:31] Christina: [00:10:31] Okay. [00:10:32]Brett: [00:10:32] It’s not the kitten. I would expect that of the kitten. It’s Yeti. Who’s decided to cruise around behind my monitor, where all the cables are wrapped up. Anyhow, let’s assume that’s not going to happen. [00:10:44] I heard that there was, and we have to it’s part, we have to talk about it that there was a new Taylor Swift something. [00:10:54] Christina: [00:10:54] Yes, this is very exciting. [00:10:56] Brett: [00:10:56] Tell me about it. [00:10:57] Christina: [00:10:57] Okay. So [00:11:00] fearless, which is Okay. I think that okay. I don’t even know where my ranking of Taylor Swift’s albums are right now because I’m a folklore and evermore truly fucked things up. And I’m probably gonna need another six months to like, sit and think on that, but it is one of her best albums and it’s definitely was her breakout album. [00:11:18] It came out in November of 2008 and was her second album. It went on to win album of the year at the Grammys. It spawned some of her biggest early hits. You belong with me, which is one of the greatest pop songs of the 21st century. Like even grizzled rock critics. Agree with that. It’s a great pop song and love story, which is, ubiquitous and amazing. [00:11:41] And it’s just, it’s a really good album. It has some good ballads on it. It is still very much a country album, but this was very much her like her debut album is okay. But fearless is where the Taylor Swift that we know and love and have spent years on this podcast talking about the intricacies of all the, type a shit about her. [00:11:59]This is where that really [00:12:00] started. And she, we talked about how she’d be recorded, love story a few months back, but the out the whole album is now out and without getting into the strum and drum about why she did this is basically a rights issue. It’s basically a fuck you to the people who own her masters and then have sold them now twice. [00:12:19]And because she is a songwriter, she owns the publishing rights and she can rerecord her songs. So she basically went back into the studio and re-recorded the album. Got many of the same people involved, to play their parts, got like the same like there was a feature on one of the songs. [00:12:37] She got that artist back in to do the feature and made them sound as close to the originals, as one could expect, like it’s eerie. It they sound more like remasters than, re records in all honesty. And it’s it’s pretty great. I have to say, I don’t know if I love it more than the original, because there’s something about, she’s [00:13:00] 31 now vocals are not going to be the same, although she did a really good job of trying to, mimic how she sounded when she was younger, but there are uncertain songs that are just certain things where you can just hear your she’s a better vocalist now, but that doesn’t necessarily make the song better. [00:13:13] I don’t know. It just makes it different. But it’s a pretty impressive piece of work and Definitely a money grab. And it’s definitely a rights thing. It’s a fuck you thing. It’s also, she’s refused to license any of her older songs for a television or movies and she will license the new versions. [00:13:31] So there’s that component of it [00:13:33] Brett: [00:13:33] I heard she really needs the cash. [00:13:35] Christina: [00:13:35] completely. This is, we’ve talked about this for years though. You love this about our shoe. She’s such a petty bitch. Like she’s so fucking petty and this is the pettiest of Taylor Swift moves to meticulously recreate your most successful album even though yeah. [00:13:50] Billions of dollars, millions, hundreds of millions of dollars. Sorry, go on. [00:13:53] Brett: [00:13:53] was a Steven Wright, one liner where he said I guess it was two lines, but he said that [00:14:00] he stole all of his roommates furniture and replace it with exact duplicates. And in the morning his roommate said, Oh man, now I forgot the joke. Anyway, it would have been, this would have been an appropriate joke and a reference to Steven. [00:14:18] It would have been great. It would’ve been, I fucked it up. I fucked it up anyway. Yeah. We talked about Taylor and her rerecording of all these albums a few episodes ago. So this is the fruit of that, huh? [00:14:32] Christina: [00:14:32] Yeah, this is the fruit of that. And I’m pretty impressed with it. Like I said, I don’t, I think that there’s a certain magic that you can’t recreate and there’s like a certain. I don’t know, there’s something even with, if the vocals aren’t as strong, like it might technically be better, but there’s just some sort of effervescence ness of having an 18 year old, recording those songs and then being the diary of her life that you can’t recapture, which is completely okay. [00:14:55] And that’s why I’m glad that the originals are still out there. And ultimately [00:15:00] I think that her long play on this is that she wants to devalue the masters enough that she can buy them, like for blessed than whatever the Holding company paid for them. She doesn’t want to spend $300 million on her old work. [00:15:13] And so she would like to be able to buy them at a discount. And I think that ultimately that would happen and I could totally see if that happens her, then rereleasing dueling versions or some shit, and that would be the money grabbing and people like me will completely eat it up and it’s fine. [00:15:27] But Ben Thompson actually wrote a pretty insightful essay on strategic Marie called non fungible Taylor Swift about kind of the process of what she did and what it means about art and artists and that’s in our show notes and that’s worth The read, I think, but it’s an interesting play. [00:15:48] The most fun part for me, to be honest, even though Twitter was around in 2008, I certainly was not on Taylor Swift Twitter. And I don’t think Taylor Swift Twitter was a thing. And because Twitter was a very [00:16:00] different place. And so what was neat about the release and this was the same with love story. [00:16:05] When that came out was just being able to relive and with a whole bunch of people of different age ranges, reminisce about the song and the album. But what was really fun is that my friend Frank, who is a media reporter at CNN, he’s a really big Taylor Swift fan, but he didn’t get into her until 1989. [00:16:20]That’s his album and he’d never heard fearless before. Like he heard the singles maybe, but he’d never heard the album. And so he was able to experience it for the first time and he was texting me and he was tweeting and that was really. It’s surprisingly fun to see like a whole generation of people, both older people, but also younger people who, were maybe five years old when the original came out who are discovering it for the first time. [00:16:45] I’ve never really heard the album, which is neat to see, like different people discovering this thing. That was very much this product of her when she was 18 years old. And I don’t know, made me think back to what my life was like when that album came out. And I was certainly not 18 years [00:17:00] old, although that is what I will lie and tell people now since I’m 29 forever. [00:17:03]But yeah it’s it’s really interesting. I don’t know if anybody else could have done this the way that she did this except for her. But [00:17:11] Brett: [00:17:11] So I listened to it and like I have very particular Taylor Swift tastes like there are very specific areas of Taylor Swift that I actually enjoy. [00:17:24] Christina: [00:17:24] You liked the 1989 era stuff like that’s. [00:17:26]Brett: [00:17:26] And folklore grew on me, [00:17:28] Christina: [00:17:28] Yes. Oh, I’m glad to hear that. Okay. [00:17:30] Brett: [00:17:30] like I’ll admit, like I’m still very partial to the stuff she did with bone of our, [00:17:36] Christina: [00:17:36] Yeah. Buena bar. Absolutely. [00:17:37]Brett: [00:17:37] But I did not love fearless. [00:17:40] I gave it a listen. I did my due diligence. I even played some of it in the discord chat room. We have a little disco. That’ll play YouTube music for you. I gave it a shot. It’s not my Taylor Swift. [00:17:55] Christina: [00:17:55] Yes, I can totally understand that. Cause she was it’s an 18 year old girl’s diary. [00:18:00] [00:18:00] Brett: [00:18:00] Sure. And I, yeah, we’ve talked about my distaste for young women before. I’ve no Matt Gates. That’s all I’m saying. [00:18:08]Christina: [00:18:08] Bazinga [00:18:10] Brett: [00:18:10] Oh, politics. We did it. [00:18:11] Christina: [00:18:11] Oh, politics. We did it. No, but I was going to no, but I totally get you. And I wouldn’t have expected fearless to be the album for you. I think there are where you’ll start to get in with the rereleases that I think will be more interesting to you would be red. Like red would be the album. [00:18:25] I would want you to listen to, because to me, that’s the one I’m excited for you to hear cause red a it’s my favorite. And I don’t think you’ll love all of it, but I think you’ll like aspects of it because red to me combines the best parts of 1989 and folklore. [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Okay. I’ll I will anxiously await that. [00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] But yeah. But anyway, we had to mention that it’s out there’ve been no shortage of opinions about it as always, but good for her for. Doing the most Taylor Swift thing of all time, which is to meticulously create note for note like your old [00:19:00] work. [00:19:00] Brett: [00:19:00] Their show titled the most Taylor Swift thing of all time took a note. It could happen. Did you know what I learned in my thirties that kind of blew my mind [00:19:09] Christina: [00:19:09] What’s that [00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] peanuts aren’t nuts. [00:19:12]Christina: [00:19:12] right there, like yams, [00:19:13] Brett: [00:19:13] Yeah. I didn’t, I never thought twice about that. And then in my thirties, I find out that peanuts are really beans. Yeah. I don’t know why that was on my mind. [00:19:24] Oh. Cause I had a peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch, which I don’t do often anymore, but. [00:19:30] Christina: [00:19:30] that’s a great sandwich. [00:19:31] Brett: [00:19:31] Yeah. It’s if you think about it, it’s a bean salad. If the jelly is the dressing and the peanuts are the bean it’s health food. [00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] it is okay. See you, but now that you put it in that perspective, because I hate beans, but I love peanuts. So I don’t know. Maybe it’s the preparation. [00:19:50]Brett: [00:19:50] So for a long time, I hated tomatoes. Like I could not eat a fresh tomato. It made me gag. I like I would spit it out, but I always loved [00:20:00] marinara sauce. And I always loved ketchup. Both of which have, a, the tomatoes are cooked down till they’re just sweet. And then in the case of cadre up, you had sugar, and vinegar. [00:20:10] And so I re I, I decided that I like tomatoes with enough sweetness. Something shifted for me. I, in the last year I love tomatoes. Now I can eat like raw tomato. It’s crazy. But I do understand that some things you can hate in there, like whole form, but enjoy in there cooked, modified cook, boiled down forms. [00:20:36] Christina: [00:20:36] Yeah, I think for me, beans, it’s largely been a texture thing. And then for some of them, it is a smell thing. Like for some beans, this smell is just one of those things that just, I can’t with it. Like it’s just terrible. But I think it’s largely a texture thing weirdly. I don’t know. [00:20:49] Brett: [00:20:49] I was like that with mushrooms no mushrooms were both smell and texture for me. But then I got obsessed with fungi, guy in general, and just like [00:21:00] from a biological perspective, it’s amazing stuff. And that made me like reconsider my stance on eating mushrooms and that developed to now. [00:21:12] I still don’t love the texture, but now I love mushrooms. [00:21:15]Christina: [00:21:15] Interesting. Interesting. I enjoy the flavor of mushrooms. I like, like what they can add to something. I also don’t love the texture, but if it can be hidden enough in something that I can deal with it, but I would never eat a raw mushroom. That would never be a thing I would do. [00:21:29] Brett: [00:21:29] Oh, I don’t know that I would eat a raw mushroom, but I do like them just lightly fried in a skillet. Yeah. One of the, one of the meals that HelloFresh taught me they should sponsor us I’ve said it before. One of the meals was like it’s, it was like a Philly cheese steak, but instead of steak, it was all just mushrooms. [00:21:48] And so it was like just pile of mushrooms in a sandwich. And I thought, if I’m going to find out, if I really like mushrooms, this is going to be the recipe that does it. And I [00:22:00] loved it. So non fungible, what does that even mean? What does fungible mean? Is that like Fung, fungi? [00:22:07]Christina: [00:22:07] I think that it was more of a response to the whole, like a non fungible token thing, in FTS. [00:22:12] Brett: [00:22:12] Oh, is that what that stands for? I’m afraid. I don’t know what an NFT is. You should enlighten me. [00:22:18]Christina: [00:22:18] It’s magic beans. So that fits with our discussion. It’s basically The way that they explain it, but this isn’t exactly what it is because it’s actually dumber than this is that somebody puts a copy of something on a blockchain and then sells that copy to someone. But because it’s a digital asset, it’s not as if it’s, it couldn’t be copied and then sold or used outside of its blockchain capability. [00:22:44]It’s money laundering is basically what it is. But in truth it’s people pointing to Jason files on a blockchain that go to a server somewhere that linked to a digital asset of some sort okay. Like [00:23:00] dumb it’s money laundering. And I’m actually, I’m only being 50% flip there because I’m convinced that the huge surge and NFT pricing is much like the surge in my doge coin. [00:23:10]It’s just completely. Stupid and unexplainable, but also I think in the case of NFTs, pretty much money laundering. [00:23:19] Brett: [00:23:19] All right. So you sent me this this essay and I feel like it’s worth mentioning do you want to introduce it or should I give my impression of it? So it’s basically, it’s called embrace the grind by Jacob Kaplan Moss and it’s about it starts out talking about the secret to a good magic trick is putting in so much work behind the scenes that no one would assume. [00:23:47] Like a, an amount of work that no one would assume you, you would put in, go beyond that kind of reasonable limit. And then it seems like magic. You’ll always be fooled. If you can assume that [00:24:00] nobody would do that much work. And it it in, in it winds its way through to comparing that, to to programming and and like development in general. [00:24:11] And I love this he, he quotes Larry Walls from the virtues of the programmer defines laziness as the quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you right labor saving programs that other people will find useful and document what you wrote. So you don’t have to answer so many questions about it. [00:24:32]And that really speaks to me. [00:24:35] Christina: [00:24:35] 100%. Yeah, no I really liked the essay. Jacob was one of the co-founders of Django and which, I think is. Is great. And the re I, you’ve used Django, right? Yeah. I love the whole history of that project just as a brief aside, because it can bind my two favorite things, which are media and programming, because it was created while at, I think it was the Lawrence press. [00:24:59] I think that [00:25:00] was the name of it, but it was at a newspaper in Kansas city and they needed a system and he created they created Django, to basically be their system for running their newspaper. And I love that anyway. I really liked the essay and it, I maybe think of you. [00:25:15] And so I was glad that we could talk about it because some of the stuff, cause I could see so many things in that like both the Larry Wall quote that you quoted is the completely you, but also the nature of sometimes what we do and what we automate, is magic, but that sometimes you have to do the work. [00:25:32] Even when it is mundane and tedious and not something that anybody would want to do or thing to do. And that’s how you can get really incredible results. I don’t know. It made me think of you [00:25:44] Brett: [00:25:44] yeah. It’s the idea that it’s laziness that drives me to do a lot of what I do. I like, I see a problem that I know it would be possible through, a significant amount of work [00:26:00] to make that problem automated and make it go away. So I am fine myself, willing to put her in an entire weekend to write one script that will save me the first time I run it, it’ll save me 45 seconds and then I’ll just have to plan to keep using it for the next, year to actually add up, to save the amount of time I invested in it, which is XKCD is a automation graph. [00:26:27] I’ll find the link for that. But I also, I enjoy putting in that work [00:26:31] Christina: [00:26:31] I do too. I do too. I actually, no, I love putting the network and it was funny because the example that he gives, I’ve never done anything quite to that scale of kind of mundanity, but it reminded me it, and it’s always a metadata problem. It always is. At least for me, for some of these tasks where at Mashable, we had to redo our tagging system. [00:26:54] And it was one of those things where like at first the tech team and we’re all looking at ways they can maybe [00:27:00] automate the system and they could maybe do this and that, but then there were false positives and there was other stuff and I was getting frustrated. And so finally I was just like, okay, this is what we’re doing. [00:27:09] And I, I recruited a few people and I was like, we’re going to stay after work for, three or four hours. We’re going to order pizza. We’re going to drink beer. And we are going to by hand, go through the entire archive and clean up the tax [00:27:24] Brett: [00:27:24] you should have called me. I so at two hours before I actually worked for AOL I got frustrated with the fact that people would just randomly tag every post and use different spellings of what should have been the same tag and thereby completely defeat the purpose of tagging. So I wrote an auto tag plugin that would go. [00:27:46] And while you were writing, because in text. Obviously you were writing and it would read your post search, the list of existing tags and suggest tags that already existed, that would apply to the posts you are [00:28:00] writing. I replicated this as a WordPress plugin and and it could also, Oh, once I got the AOL gig and had access to the actual database, I went through and did like automated cleanup across and gadget and the unofficial Apple web blog to consolidate plurals and capitalizations and con like snake case things that were hyphenated. [00:28:24] And like just wrote these scripts, took me probably a week to cause you don’t want to fuck that up. You’re like you’re going right after the main database that runs high traffic sites. So you got to take your time, but I did it and I made that metadata sparkle. [00:28:42] Christina: [00:28:42] Yeah, we had something. I think that it was not as extensive as what you did, but I think that we did have some layer, at least at first where we’d either identified, things that could have been like misspellings or were similar enough, like fuzzy stuff and things that have hyphens versus spaces. [00:28:58] So we had some of that was already [00:29:00] grouped together. So some of that work was done and we didn’t go through the entire, like at that point, I think the site was, I think this was 2012 when we did this. Maybe it’s 2011. I don’t remember. I think it was 2012. At that point that the site was. [00:29:14]Seven years old. And so there was a bunch of stuff in the early stuff. Like anything before, I’d say like 2009, we didn’t care that much about, but there were some things that that we did and it was just, and we kind of group things into, we also I, so we didn’t care about certain things before a certain date because it didn’t matter. [00:29:34] And then there were certain things that we did care a lot about certain categories we wanted to make sure we’re correct in a certain way. And there were focus areas, so it wasn’t like we had to go through every single post, but it was a lot. And the reason being like, they automated as much as they could. [00:29:50] And they did co combined. So that if you went to a tag page for either like the words together or separated by a comma or a dash, or not a comment but like a dash [00:30:00] or whatever, like both would show up. So that was already done in, in the rejects and the redirects, but we needed to make sure that stuff that might not have been tagged. [00:30:08] Appropriately at all got tagged. And that’s something that you couldn’t automate. That was something that there were, in some cases, people just didn’t tack stuff and didn’t put things in the raw and the proper, orders and whatnot. And we couldn’t find a tech problem around it. And it was getting so frustrated. [00:30:21] I was like, okay, we’re, I recruited a handful of people and I was like, we’re just going to order in food and drink and do this. And we did it and then had a really good and well enforced system going forward. It was well enforced for a number of years then as there was churn, people didn’t enforce the tagging system as well. [00:30:44]But w which is always the case. That’s always a problem, like with metadata was stuff like that. It’s ongoing. You have to be like ongoingly, like vigilant with that, but. [00:30:52] Brett: [00:30:52] automated. [00:30:52]Christina: [00:30:52] That’s why you automated, but what I mean is you’re bringing new people in. This is my point. If you’re bringing new people in, you have to, they need to know the way [00:31:00] of doing stuff. [00:31:00] Cause if someone doesn’t add attack to something, then that you can’t automate around that [00:31:06] Brett: [00:31:06] Okay. So you can though, I have scripts that go through the content STEM, all of the words, remove all the stop words and then any significant word that’s left gets compared against existing tags and uses external services to categorize and sentiment analysis. To add tags automatically. Sure. [00:31:28]A little bit, but you can make it so that a new person coming in forgets to tag and at least the bare minimum of obvious ties get added to their post for them [00:31:37]Christina: [00:31:37] fair enough. Although I would argue still, and I think that this is like. Part of the, doing the work thing. Cause it’s awesome that you can do that and you can build that, but I would still argue that it would be, and this is me less true to the blog post and more true to the XKCD thing that the much better resource is just to train people well about how to do tags. Yeah, but I think that if you make it as part of the [00:32:00] process, you can do things where it can auto tax stuff, but auto-tagging can also go horribly awry because you might [00:32:04] Brett: [00:32:04] the very least. So you need auto-complete. The CMS has to, you should be able to start typing any tag and it should always finish it with an existing tag for you. If a site’s been around for seven years with the amount of content that Mashable has, you absolutely have that tag [00:32:20] Christina: [00:32:20] And yeah, no. And we had that, we had an auto-complete thing. And so that, that worked, the problem was and this was something that they did with the automation was that if you had something misspelled in, the spelling would often come up really high. And so if you’re not paying super close attention, then it’s tagged the wrong thing. [00:32:35] Or there are duplicate tags. Like we used to use one tag or something that we started using another, like at one point you’re using FB and for Facebook, and then another time it’s Facebook and those are the sorts of things that even with automation, they can mean different things and they can have different contexts. [00:32:49] Google plus was a really hard one because the plus Mark would wreak havoc on stuff. It wreaks havoc for Google itself. And so we had Google dash plus G plus, Google plus as is [00:33:00] to work like that was a nightmare in and of itself to work out. Anyway, it had me thinking about that. [00:33:04] And then early in my Microsoft career, I wasn’t on that team for very long. They were going through a similar, like metadata, just massive problem. And again, they were automating it and they were trying to go through the system and we’re reaching a point where they were doing all the things you were talking about, but there was certain stuff with just the way that some things had to be machine tacked. [00:33:24] And some things had to be hand tagged and stuff was just not working well. And I broach the subject and I don’t think they ever did it in the team doesn’t exist anymore. But I was like, they’re only like the number of pieces of content. Wasn’t that tremendous. Like it wasn’t certainly, it wasn’t the size of the Mashable database where I was like, we could just go through this and fix this stuff. [00:33:49] And then set up the going forward, complete auto debit system, right? Going forward, it can be done the right way, but for all your past stuff, you need to go back and clean it [00:34:00] up. Which with edge cases and whatnot and the way that those systems all worked, which were built by various people and vendors and stuff over many years would have been a nightmare to try to fix the usual ways. [00:34:14]I still stand by it. I was like, this is going to be a slog with this should be how you fix it. Cause, cause even reading cause I reading Jacobs, example of what he did to get their ticket system under control, knowing you, I knew in your mind, you’re thinking, Oh, I could have come up with ways to do that without doing what he did, which is printing them all out on the floor and co-leading them and whatnot. [00:34:35] And maybe you could have, but I wonder if it would have been any faster or [00:34:39] Brett: [00:34:39] wouldn’t have liked the amount of parsing I would have to do to categorize and find duplicates. [00:34:45]Christina: [00:34:45] Exactly. So at some time, so in some cases you just need to give up the ghost and be like, okay, we’re going to sit here with some wine or we’re going to print stuff out on the floor and do it. [00:34:55] Brett: [00:34:55] No, I miss drinking. Both bug hunting was so much more fun [00:35:00] with with booze. Yeah. So go to Bunche, app.co I in, in, in anticipation of making bunch of commercial app, I redesigned the whole website [00:35:11] Christina: [00:35:11] Ooh. Oh, it looks so good. [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] thanks. I wrote a bunch of the carousel on the homepage. It’s a custom plugin. [00:35:19] And then the call-outs all if you don’t have a rubber, one of the call-outs they cert like cycling and then if you hover over one, it stops the cycle and then picks it back up. When you move your Mazda little stuff like that, I spent way too much time on, but. [00:35:33] Christina: [00:35:33] you did. What did you build this on? Is this a Jekyll or [00:35:35] Brett: [00:35:35] Yeah, it’s a Jackal, a Jekyll and a bunch of markdown files. It started as a theme called just the docs, but I customize it so far that it’s my own thing now. But if you go into the docs, the amount of documentation I’ve written is insane. Open up the bunch files section [00:35:55] Christina: [00:35:55] I’m here. Oh my God. [00:35:57]Brett: [00:35:57] it’s. Yeah. And there’s subsections [00:36:00] within substance. [00:36:01] Christina: [00:36:01] running Apple script, running workflows. This is really great. [00:36:03] Brett: [00:36:03] check this out. Because there’s so much documentation, it’s really easy to lose when I add new stuff. So if you go to the change log and Epic the top, there’s a recently updated documentation. You can drop that down. It uses get, when I publish a new release of bunch, I use get flow and I create a release. [00:36:26] I tag a release and then when I generate the website it has a plugin that goes in and checks the files changed in the last commit to the main branch, which would [00:36:38] Christina: [00:36:38] Oh my God. [00:36:39] Brett: [00:36:39] tab. [00:36:40] Christina: [00:36:40] Yeah. And then you can view the diff I’m looking at this. This is awesome. [00:36:43] Brett: [00:36:43] Yeah. It works really well. It’s a super fast way to see like what’s new and change and jump right to the documentation. [00:36:51]I’m very proud of it. [00:36:53] Christina: [00:36:53] That’s awesome. I love that. [00:36:56] Brett: [00:36:56] Oh, also the stars plugin that we run on [00:37:00] overtired pod.com to show your stars. I publicly released that as a plugin. I rewrote it. Couple of times actually. But now it actually does update once an hour. It doesn’t update every time, the page loads, but once an hour it refreshes the data and God damn, I made it look great. [00:37:19] Christina: [00:37:19] Yeah, you did. That’s awesome. I’m like, I love that. Is that on your GitHub or where is [00:37:23]Brett: [00:37:23] It’s only on my blog. I was gonna put it on a, I was going to put it right into the WordPress plugins repository directory but it still uses subversion and I refuse to install subversion, like I’m so done with SVM. [00:37:40] Christina: [00:37:40] Oh, I know. I know, honestly. Okay. Thank you for saying this because this is no. The fact that you won’t release it in the repository because of that, because. They’ve been arguing for about eight years, at least about trying to move WordPress off of SVN. And a [00:38:00] lot of the thing has been that there are certain stuff that they use, but track that is SB and base and this and that and there’s other stuff, but what doesn’t get enough attention is now the new barrier to entry for anybody to actually publish in their ecosystem. [00:38:13] And so this might be something that I can like point to people who I know in that community and be like, Hey, just one anecdote. I know it’s not going to change any hearts or minds, but just as an anecdote, this is something that was cool. That was too much effort and too much horror for someone to submit to the repository. [00:38:33] So they put it on their own website instead [00:38:36] Brett: [00:38:36] Mind that it’s a pretty dumb plugin. [00:38:39] Christina: [00:38:39] it is, but it doesn’t matter. [00:38:41] Brett: [00:38:41] off. Is it worth dealing with as VN to. [00:38:44]Christina: [00:38:44] You’re completely correct. But the thing is that even if it was an important plugin, would, do you want to jump through those hoops? That’s the thing. And I think that this is where, like the WordPress people to me, bike shed and get obsessive over the stupidest shit. [00:38:58] And don’t realize it’s okay, [00:39:00] on the high end customizability, and you’re losing the static site generators on the lower end, Squarespace is eating your lunch. You still have 40% of the web, but come on guys, like you’re losing stuff. You shouldn’t be losing here because you refuse to update your tooling. [00:39:16] Brett: [00:39:16] I am going to in the show notes, there’s a link to get hub action that will deploy a plugin to the WordPress. [00:39:26] Christina: [00:39:26] Yeah. I think that is it from 10 up to 10 up do this. [00:39:29]Brett: [00:39:29] Yes. [00:39:30] Christina: [00:39:30] Okay, great. Then Helen did this. I was going to say, okay, awesome. Yeah. [00:39:33] Brett: [00:39:33] So it’s still, even, this was just too much set up for as dumb as my little plugin is it was too much set up, but there does exist a way. If you’re going to make, a decent plugin, you can host it on, get hub and get hub can automatically export it to the repository for you. [00:39:53] Christina: [00:39:53] God bless Helen and the tennis team because [00:39:56] Brett: [00:39:56] is up? Should I know more about 10 up. [00:39:58] Christina: [00:39:58] yeah, 10 up is cool. They [00:40:00] are a, full-time like a, like very big like WordPress agency. And they also so they build a bunch of big things. If you go to their website, it’s the number 10 iupy.com like you did Politico and five 38, and MotorTrend, they’ve worked with a bunch of big brands, but they also are really interesting, I think in so far as they like have people who they allow to w. [00:40:25] Do their full-time job as working on open source. Like I think Helen’s full-time job. She’s like the core lead developer of WordPress. And she, that is like her full-time job and tenant pays for that. And which is why she can do things like understanding. She works on ecosystem. She’s been like a release lead and other stuff in the project. [00:40:44] She knows those politics very well, but she also sometimes has the opportunity, through her employer to be like, okay, if the, minutia nations of the open source project and the governance around wordpress.org are going to be the way that they are, then I can find [00:41:00] these solutions because we as tenants need these plugins and need these things. [00:41:03] So we can create a good hub action to make this easier for everyone and contribute it, open source. They’ve been around, I think, about a decade and I I know a few of the people who work there and they’re good people and I, when you said that, I was like, I bet that’s a TenUp thing. [00:41:19] Cause that seemed like something that Helen would definitely create and do, but yeah they’re cool people like if you need a, I don’t know anything about what they charge. I assume it’s a lot, but if you’re a business who’s looking for a really customizable and really solid like WordPress solution. [00:41:35]Although I think they, they work with more than just WordPress, but they’re obviously really big with WordPress. They’re probably one of the best agencies out there. [00:41:43] Sponsor: RitualBrett: [00:41:43] Are you ready? So there’s 10 up get hub action really fills the gap when it comes to submitting plugins to the get hub reposit, posit plugin directory. And speaking of filling gaps, ritual is a multivitamin that [00:42:00] fills the gaps in your diet. [00:42:02] Christina: [00:42:02] yes. Hell yeah. Tell [00:42:04] Brett: [00:42:04] episode is brought to you by ritual, a complete multivitamin that gets delivered conveniently to your door every month. [00:42:11] Ritual. Isn’t your typical multivitamin it’s clean vegan-friendly formula is made with key nutrients in bioavailable forms that your body can actually use with no sugars, major allergens, synthetic fillers, or artificial colorants. Plus they taste all minty and good. The convenience of ritual is the key. [00:42:30] My vitamins show up at my door without me having to think about it, place frequent orders or God forbid, leave the house. Once you get into the groove, a ritual, if you will popping to at whatever time of day works for you, gives you the benefit of filling nutrient gaps in your diet without having to think about it. [00:42:48] And you’ll always know what nutrients you’re taking and where they come from. Thanks to rituals. One of a kind visible supply chain. Ritual multivitamins are delivered every month. With free shipping, you can [00:43:00] start snooze or cancel your subscription anytime. And if you don’t love ritual within your first month, they’ll refund your first order. [00:43:07] So if you want to get key nutrients without the BS, ritual is offering overtired listeners 10% off during their first three months. Just visit ritual.com/overtired. To start your ritual today. [00:43:21]Christina: [00:43:21] Fantastic. Fantastic segue as well. [00:43:25] Brett: [00:43:25] Hi. Hi. I was waiting. I was biding my time. I feel like I actually got a, I got a good segue in, and it wasn’t like 20 minutes after the point where it would have been relevant. [00:43:37] Christina: [00:43:37] No, you nailed it. [00:43:38] Brett: [00:43:38] Nailed it. Nailed it just for your ritual, [00:43:41]Christina: [00:43:41] Love it. [00:43:42] Brett: [00:43:42] bringing my best to the game. You’re you’re you’re doing some new stuff or you’re considering some key cap stuff. [00:43:49] Christina: [00:43:49] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I’ve been going down this whole rabbit hole of the mechanical keyboard world and man, a, this hobby is entirely too expensive. [00:44:00] Like people always talk about that, but wow. Like I had no idea and I’m not going to be one of those people who really gets into the key CA like into buying a lot of the key cap stuff, because it’s just or the keyboard stuff in general, because it’s just incredibly expensive and just I am too ADHD. [00:44:16] I will lose interest. You know what I mean? But I’ve been like, so the way that the key cap sets work, and I didn’t realize this, there are a handful of key cap manufacturers that are considered high quality. So there’s some fairly low quality, Chinese made ones and some of them are good, but there are a handful that are considered really high quality. [00:44:36] And for people who want to do their own customized, key cap set the two biggest ones would be signature plastics, which is based in Washington state, but very close to Canada. And then GMK, which is based in Germany. And then there’s I think E PBT is another one. I’m not going to get into all the all the variants, but I was looking at what would go into, okay. [00:44:56] I had an idea for maybe a color theme of what would be a good looking key cap set? How would [00:45:00] that work? And the process is interesting. And what tends to happen is that people. Create, what are known as interest checks or they get like feedback forums and they come up with kind of their designs and their colors using the available colors from the available, manufacturers. [00:45:16] And then they create what the layout would look like. And then they create renders of what that would look like on, different keyboards and with different key profiles and that sort of thing. And then they submit interest checks and see how many people will be interested in those things. And if enough people are interested, then the small number of key cap sellers will be willing to say, okay, we will front the money. [00:45:42] Or we will be the person who placed the order with the key cap manufacturer. Something will happen called a group buy where you need to hit a certain number to, for it to be successful. If it’s successful, then you place an order with one of those manufacturers. And then a year later you get your [00:46:00] keycaps. [00:46:00] Brett: [00:46:00] Yeah, I follow a couple of these on a, on Instagram, mostly just to watch, but they’re constantly posting renders for that purpose to get the the interest check. [00:46:11] Christina: [00:46:11] Yeah. I, you mentioned this because you noticed some things that I had starred and on my get hub and it was weird cause I was going down this rabbit hole and I didn’t even realize this, but Tim Vandam, who is one of my favorite designers ever has recently launched his own envy KB website where he is showing his work in progress for some of his different key cap sets Tim was really big and an icon and in web design space in in the late odds early tens and it’s still, a great designer and guy, but I literally ran across. [00:46:42] I’m going to put that in our show notes about his Thing that shows some of his interest checks in the show notes too in bkb.com, which is a great name because Maxwell tar is a Twitter handle and an online nom de plume. And so some of the stuff that he’s running interest checks are really good. [00:46:57]But yeah I’ve thought about it. Like my friend, [00:47:00] Sarah made a really great visual studio code theme, and I’ve been thinking about trying to get with her and be like, Hey, what if we turn that theme into a key for design. [00:47:07]Brett: [00:47:07] Aye. Like I love putting together a key cap sets. I wish like drop, always has like group buys on key cap sets and they have some really cool ones, but because I use the ultimate hacking keyboard, which has a bizarre layout like all of the, I can’t, I, if I’m going to build a full key cap set, I have to cuss I have to custom print, like the caps lock the enter key. [00:47:36] Like none of them are any standard size that you would find in any keyboard set. So I have to custom print about five different keys and getting custom printing that matches whatever fancy key cap set you bought is nearly impossible, which means then in order to get a matching set, I ended up custom printing things like the left shift key, [00:48:00] even though that I could find that in a set, but I can’t make it match the tab and caps lock key. [00:48:07] So in order to get everything matching, it’s a lot of custom printing. And like some of the two, the angles, the are one through four or whatever it is. Like that’s all weird on this keyboard too, which makes it almost impossible. It’s frustrating. [00:48:21]Christina: [00:48:21] So this now has me thinking. I’m going to investigate this more. I’m putting this in my notes for things to, to do what it would take for us to, if we were interested to maybe come up with an overtired branded set, we could put out an interest check for it. We can put it on all the places after we did our due diligence and maybe see if we could get enough interest and get a group buy. [00:48:42] And then at the very least you could have one that would be, made from the get-go for all of your key caps. [00:48:47] Brett: [00:48:47] All in white letters. Purple modifier. Keys [00:48:51] Christina: [00:48:51] Okay. And what’s cool. Okay. Here’s what would be cool about that? Is that the theme that Sarah her vs code theme is purple themed. So maybe this would be a way to, to [00:49:00] do kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. I’m going to look into this now. [00:49:03]Brett: [00:49:03] showed up. She’s biting my she’s biting my mic cable right now. [00:49:09] Christina: [00:49:09] Sarah is Sarah is the ESCO team is called night owl, by the way. [00:49:12] Brett: [00:49:12] NightOwl all I am so obsessed with Nord right now. Ha have you seen the stars plugin? I use the Nord color palette for that. [00:49:20] Christina: [00:49:20] Yeah I love the Nord color palette. It’s great. [00:49:22] Brett: [00:49:22] I, in fact, if you look@thebunchapp.co, I lifted a lot of Nord colors. I like the whole thing’s built in SAS. So like I can just change one variables filing and redo the colors for the whole site. So I just did test punched in the Nord colors and I liked it so much. I kept it. [00:49:44] Christina: [00:49:44] Yeah, I’ve been using synth wave 84 for about two years now and that’s one of my favorites, but I love the Nord theme as well. [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] I have to look up synth wave 84. [00:49:54]Christina: [00:49:54] Panic basically adapted it, like they worked with the guy who created it as one of their themes in [00:50:00] Nova. [00:50:00]Brett: [00:50:00] Cool. Cool. I’m going to, Oh yeah. As far as dark themes go, that one’s pretty good. I’m not a fan of, I’m not a fan of the reddish background. [00:50:12]Christina: [00:50:12] Yeah. And you might not like the glow of faculty, you can turn that [00:50:15] Brett: [00:50:15] I do the glow effect. I use the glow effect all the time. [00:50:19] Christina: [00:50:19] Yeah. The glow effect is really cool. [00:50:20] Brett: [00:50:20] I often, Oh man. On the blues for the, like the functions that looks really good. Yeah, I’m gonna. [00:50:27] Christina: [00:50:27] Yeah, no, it’s pretty awesome. There might be things you want to adapt with that, but yeah. And drop has a key cap set. It just went up for group. I, again, it won’t be out for a year, but I’ve been wanting it. It’s a there’s a key cap designer’s name is Mito and just dropped like the essay laser. [00:50:41]So essay being the key caps profile and an essay is one of the exclusive profiles of signature plastics, which is one of the, he kept makers. I learned these are all things I’ve learned in like the last two weeks, Brett. I’ve really fallen down this whole world, but I I just got this, I just put in for it. [00:50:58] I just was like, [00:51:00] screw it. There’s in a year I’ll have some really great looking keycaps. [00:51:04] Brett: [00:51:04] Nice. Before we go, I like, I keep putting like apps I want to talk about on our lists. If we get to them, there’s one that I do want to mention because it won’t take long wrong. There’s a new Mac iOS plugin, like an extension called peak, and it gives, do you remember up until 25 15, how you could run a defaults command and make texts in a quick look, preview collectible, and then in 2015, Apple curtailed that and ever since then, if you drag your mouse across like a text preview, it just moves the window peak brings back text selection. [00:51:45] It also does source code syntax highlighting and markdown rendering, which there are free alternatives to do both of those things. So the thing I love is the text selection. Now I can copy and paste texts out of quick look, previews of texts and sources, [00:52:00] files, and markdown files. And it is it’s worth the eight bucks to me to [00:52:06] Christina: [00:52:06] Oh, yeah, no, I love this. And, okay, so this is in the Mac app store. It’s $8 and it’s a quick look extension, [00:52:13]Brett: [00:52:13] Yeah. [00:52:14] Christina: [00:52:14] which is awesome. [00:52:15] Brett: [00:52:15] somehow they got it into the Mac app store because I’m pretty sure to [00:52:19] Christina: [00:52:19] app that has [00:52:21] Brett: [00:52:21] well, I’m pretty sure to accomplish this dark magic. They’re actually putting up a preview in front of the preview in the quick look. And either that, or they’re using private API, but however they did it, it’s fully fully made it through app store security. [00:52:39] And like I was talking to the developer and he basically, they’re being very careful about what apps they let it work inside of because there are potential security concerns with however it is they’re doing it. Cause cause who to spot just added selectable texts and their internal quick look preview. [00:52:59] And [00:53:00] ironically enough, if you’re running peak and it takes over the preview inside of who to spot, then you can’t select texts at all. Even though you have two things piled on top of each other, both of which are supposed to allow it, but that is supposed to be fixed in the next release of peak. [00:53:17]Christina: [00:53:17] Yeah. This is awesome. And I’m interested in what he did here too. I’m now looking at the Reddit thread that, that kind of like talks about this. And of course the first comment is QL color codes are free, quick look, plugin for syntax highlighting. It’s motherfucker, this is not what this is. [00:53:34] This is where this is. This is because [00:53:36] Brett: [00:53:36] sure I’d even use his QL color code. Like it’s [00:53:38] Christina: [00:53:38] I’m sure that it does. Oh, I’m sure that it does, but it’s this is all about like the banning of enable text selection, right? This is a different thing, asshole. [00:53:47] Brett: [00:53:47] Yeah. The syntax highlighting and markdown rendering are just nice to have. And it’s nice to have those both in one plugin, [00:53:53] Christina: [00:53:53] Exactly [00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] that’s just nice, [00:53:56] Christina: [00:53:56] so I’m just like laughing like this, the number one thing. And it’s and then somebody follows up to be [00:54:00] fair. That’s only one small part of what this app claims to do. And then he’s at negative one votes. Reddit is fucking trash, man. Like I’m telling you like the Mac apps separate it. [00:54:08] Also the Apple, cetera are full of the most fucking imbecilic people. I’m going to hear from people on on our discord now. But I can’t even with that I love the Apple community. I love the mock-up community. And those two separate it’s drive me freaking bonkers because a anybody who says anything, even remotely critical of something that Apple has ever done is treated like they’re the plague. [00:54:31] And I’m like, okay, When did you get an iPhone? Cause you’ve never used a Mac clearly. And you’ve probably been an iPhone user for two years. Shut up. Like you’re not even part of this community, like fuck off. And then the other thing, like the Mac app thing is people like that here. Ooh this other thing that is not even what this does is free. [00:54:46] It’s dude, shut up. Like it’s why people don’t build better stuff because people are go to this free ones available. It’s like you, people aren’t even Mac users shut up. All right. That’s my rant [00:54:59] Brett: [00:54:59] Yeah. [00:55:00] Yeah. I don’t mind paying for things if they’re done better than the free [00:55:05] Christina: [00:55:05] agreed. 100%. I like to pay for things if it’s better than the free version. And I love free shit. Like I love people who do those projects and I love to support them when I can. My beef is with people who are like, Oh, this is free. And I’m like, bro, first of all, this is the Mac community. Like we have a long history of supporting our indie devs. [00:55:25] Second of all, that’s not even what this is fuck off anyway. Sorry. That’s my rant. [00:55:29]Brett: [00:55:29] Yeah. All so that brings us to the end of the show. That was a pretty classic episode. I feel like we didn’t go as deep into politics as we sometimes do. [00:55:40] Christina: [00:55:40] No, we purposely avoided it. I’m real glad because everything that’s been happening in the world is pretty terrible. And I don’t want to talk about it. [00:55:46]Brett: [00:55:46] Biden did promise to have all troops out of Afghanistan by September. So there’s that anyway, [00:55:53] Christina: [00:55:53] that’s great. But anyway. [00:55:54] Brett: [00:55:54] not going to do that. [00:55:56] Christina: [00:55:56] yeah. I just, I don’t want to, yeah. I, in fairness [00:56:00] I’m like, I apologize if people come here for that, but [00:56:03] Brett: [00:56:03] I [00:56:04] Christina: [00:56:04] I don’t want to talk about that. [00:56:05] Brett: [00:56:05] I don’t think anyone comes here for the news. [00:56:08] Christina: [00:56:08] No, I don’t think so. You have a lot of other places you can go to do that. And I think that that’s fine. [00:56:12] Brett: [00:56:12] We don’t aim to fill that gap. [00:56:14]Christina: [00:56:14] We don’t we aim to be like your like mental health pop culture programming, like gap Taylor Swift. Yes, exactly. We were Taylor Swift podcast first and foremost, and then all those other things secondary, but yeah, no, I think this was good. Last week. We were not great. And that was totally on me, but I feel like this was a good classic episode. [00:56:33] Brett: [00:56:33] If you if you want to have your review read, live on, over-tired go leave one on iTunes. [00:56:40]Christina: [00:56:40] Yes, please do. [00:56:43]Brett: [00:56:43] We hope everyone gets some sleep, but Christina, get some sleep.