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Show Links Overtired Discord Downie Setapp youtube-dl-gui yt-dlp Two Headed Girl Join the Community See you on Discord! Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 254 [00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren here as always with the wonderful Brett Terpstra Brett, how are you? [00:00:12] Brett: Hi, I’m good. I’m actually recording from the beginning this time. We’re not missing anything. [00:00:19] Christina: Okay. We’re recording from the beginning. This is good. So we are not going to miss the first 20 minutes of, of, um, uh, pop punk talk. Um, that’s important. Um, but, uh, when actually, uh, you also, you did the thing that we talk about, like, uh, where, um, you’re not saying I’m fucking awesome. Uh, when I actually asked you legit, how you, where you’re like, we need to do a Bret mental health [00:00:42] corner update. [00:00:42] Mental Health Corner [00:00:43] Christina: So, so let’s just get into that right away. [00:00:46] Brett: yeah. Yeah. So when I say I’m good, that’s usually a masking. [00:00:52] Christina: Yes. It’s just what we do. [00:00:56] Brett: Yeah. So, uh, on, I [00:01:00] think Tuesday, I very suddenly went manic, um, in the late, late afternoon, I think it started like, it was this definite switch and I didn’t sleep Tuesday night or Wednesday night at all. And by Thursday I was just a zombie, um, like, uh, Wednesday I was super productive. I did a week’s worth of work, uh, which is good because on Thursday I couldn’t work at all. [00:01:36] But so today is like, I slept last night, I got a good deep eight hours of sleep with crazy dreams. Uh, so now the, like, have you, you’ve had all nighters. [00:01:51] Christina: Uh, yes. [00:01:52] Brett: So the you’re fine up until you sleep. And then when you wake up, then it all hits you. [00:02:00] So right now I’m totally, uh, I’m dragging. It feels like I’m underwater, like fighting for consciousness. [00:02:09] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. So D um, what, what type of weird dreams did you have? Like [00:02:14] Brett: Here’s the weirdest thing is I’m fully aware that I was having weird dreams. I was aware in the dream that this was a weird dream, but I cannot remember what it was about. [00:02:25] Christina: That’s, I’ve had that happen before? Um, I, that’s always the most bizarre thing where I’m like in the dream and I’m like, this is weird and this isn’t what it typically, you know, like dream about. [00:02:40] And I know something with this is off, but then you wake up and you’re like, okay, that was weird enough that in the dream, I was conscious enough to be like, This is a bizarre dream. [00:02:50] And then I’m like, oh yeah, totally lost it. [00:02:52] Brett: Did you ever have dreams? Where in the dream you feel like this is a dream you have all the time. Like you’re going back to someplace [00:03:00] familiar and this is, this is like something you’ve known your whole life and then you wake up and it seems like, like you never had that dream before. [00:03:10] Christina: Yeah. Although my word thing, I guess I would say is I, sometimes I’ve definitely had the, maybe this is what you’re talking about. Maybe it’s slightly different, but I’ve had the thing where I’m in a dream and it’s referencing an earlier dream and it like, maybe even is an earlier dream. And like, and I’m aware of this. [00:03:26] I’m like, oh, I had this dream before. [00:03:28] Yeah. [00:03:28] And now I’m kind of, and it’s not quite a lucid dream, but it is the sort of thing where. I’m like distinctly aware in the dream. At least it seems at that time that I’ve had this dream before. And, and, uh, yeah, when I wake up, I may or may not remember any of it. Um, but at the time I’m certainly like, it’s enough for me to remember now that I can be like, oh yeah, I’ve definitely referenced dreams and other dreams. [00:03:52] But if you were to ask me what those things were, I would have no idea what to tell you. [00:03:55] Brett: Yeah. If I don’t, when I wake up, I will usually for [00:04:00] about five minutes, I’ll remember what I was just dreaming. And if I don’t make a conscious effort to note the dream five minutes later, I can’t remember it anymore. So I actually, if I remember my dream, when I wake up, I like just instinctively like take mental notes on it. [00:04:18] So that, that doesn’t happen. Cause I hate forgetting things. Alzheimer’s is my biggest fear in the world [00:04:28] Alzheimer’s runs in my family. Um, I I’m so scared that that will happen to me. [00:04:34] Christina: Yeah, I, um, I don’t know how much it, it runs in my family and I’m like, my grandmother had that or she might’ve had dementia. I don’t know like what they wound up actually classifying it as, but she, she died of it anyway. And, um, it was terrible. And [00:04:51] Brett: Yeah. That’s my, my grandfather did too. [00:04:54] Christina: yeah. And it’s, I don’t know if it has, if anybody else has it or has had it or not, [00:05:00] but yes, [00:05:00] Brett: Yeah. When I say runs in the family, I just made my grandfather. It’s not like a, a generational thing that happens just, uh, knowing that someone in my family has had, it means that it increases the likelihood that I will have it. My grandmother had some dementia, but it wasn’t Alzheimer’s she had Parkinson’s for like 15 years. [00:05:24] Oh [00:05:24] Christina: And that, that adds its own complexities to it because of what that does. [00:05:28] Somehow, Eugenics [00:05:28] Brett: yeah. Yeah, no, like I w one of the major reasons I decided pretty early on not to have kids is family history, like between heart disease and mental health issues. It, any kid I have is pretty much guaranteed to at the least be neurodiverse. But at worst things like cancer and Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s and bipolar [00:06:00] disorder. [00:06:00] And like, it’s, it’s scary. Like I wouldn’t, I, I do not want to roll those dice. [00:06:07] Christina: Yeah, I can respect that. Um, I mean, I just didn’t want kids. Um, but, but I certainly there’ve been, there’ve been like things in my mind, I guess, that I’ve thought about. I was like, Yeah, you know, I could see that this would be like, uh, a problem, uh, or potentially not maybe a problem, but this could be something like to, to look out for. [00:06:24] Like, I’m sure that my kids would, if I did have kids, I’m sure that there would be. Uh, neurodiverse element there. Um, I have too much like depression and anxiety and OCD and perfectionism shit to let that be completely, uh, like, you know, I don’t know, but at the same time, you never know, maybe you’ll be fine. [00:06:47] Um, cause the rest of my family seems fairly clear on that stuff or more clear, like my sister definitely has some stuff, but what she has is different and probably more difficult to treat. [00:07:00] She’s also refuses to go to the doctor or [00:07:02] Brett: Yeah, that doesn’t. [00:07:02] Christina: So no, it doesn’t. Um, uh, my dad is. Well, I guess ADHD does run pretty strongly family. [00:07:09] My mom doesn’t. [00:07:10] have it. My dad does. Um, and, uh, and my sister does and I do so that would probably be a fairly strong sign that that would be, you know, um, but, but other than that, I don’t know [00:07:22] Brett: Yeah. [00:07:22] Christina: though. I mean, I respect people making that decision and saying, I don’t, I don’t want to, you know, put kids through that or being more honest, maybe about it. [00:07:30] I don’t want to go through that with a kid. Um, me, I just don’t want kids. [00:07:36] Brett: So I had this conversation, uh, the other night with L uh, it was basically a eugenics conversation and I was playing devil’s advocate, um, on the, maybe there’s a place for eugenic side of things and it got real, real shady, real fast. [00:07:54] Christina: I was going to say, I was gonna say, there’s, that’s a cause I’ve taken that position too. In the [00:08:00] past, when I used to kind of be like, this was me in high school, but, but you know, kind of like wanting to be just a contrarian, but yeah. [00:08:08] Brett: So like, I I’m of the opinion that it’s like when it comes to not gene editing so much, but, but being tested for your genetic, uh, proclivities, um, and making decisions is, uh, you should know what the risks are before you get pregnant. And that’s really the big thing for me. And when it comes to like designer babies and everything, I can argue both sides, but, uh, the conversation we were having was, if you knew that, uh, you were going to have, uh, like an ADHD kid or an autistic kid, would you, would you like, would you want the ability to say no? [00:08:52] Christina: right? no? [00:08:53] I mean, w w w w would you do, I mean, look, they already do this, they do this when they, when they check, they test for down syndrome and things like that. And if [00:09:00] they see the, the, the chromosomal deficiency or. That The markers, [00:09:04] or whatever, then there are, that’s one of the reasons why they do those tests as early as they do them. [00:09:09] So that women have the opportunity to, you know, abort the pregnancy. Um, cause that’s what it is like when people talk about abortion, they don’t like to talk about the fact that lots and lots of people have like medical abortions basically, because they’ve seen markers that say the child is not going to be healthy. [00:09:29] Brett: Yeah. Well, yeah. And that’s where it’s a real, real tricky area. Yeah. [00:09:35] Christina: What in there are there, there are some people, I mean, particularly very religious people who will say, um, I didn’t want to know, um, or, or I wouldn’t have made a different decision. There are some people who say, well, I want to know I’m it won’t change my decision, but it will change how I go about dealing with things, which I think is also a valid thing to say, if, if you know this going on. [00:09:58] You know, th they have these markers, [00:10:00] um, there’s your child is going to, again, have something like, like, like down syndrome, then you are going to prepare for the additional cost and the additional challenges and other potential add on health concerns. Right. Because that oftentimes does go along with physical and, um, other, uh, more serious like medical issues. [00:10:20] Um, and so, uh, you know, things that aren’t strictly just, you know, mental, um, but some people don’t want to know that at all. And, and it does that, the line does get really interesting because you have people of all the different communities who will argue, you know, it is, there, there is nothing wrong with this, and this is how people are, and we shouldn’t do anything to it to prevent this. [00:10:46] There are other people who say, well, no, you don’t want people who. You know, going to be born in pain and then, you know, live in, in, in suffering and then die, right? Like, like yeah, [00:10:58] Brett: the question, like [00:11:00] the idea of like finding out something is medically wrong with a child you’re caring and making the decision to abort feels worse somehow than just not wanting a kid and getting an abortion. And like, is there really a difference between getting an abortion because you don’t want to have children and getting an abortion because you don’t want to have that child. [00:11:23] Christina: no, I don’t think there is. I think they’re exactly the same thing. Like one can feel worse, but I think that they’re exactly the same thing. I think [00:11:31] Brett: One just feels more personal. Like it’s an attack. [00:11:34] Christina: Well, yeah, but it’s a bit at bits, but if you think about it in the abstract, you’re kind of saying the same thing. Like, you’re kind of saying, I don’t want the expense. I don’t want the pressure. I don’t want the hassle. This isn’t the right time in my life. Whatever the reasons are you’re making that, this shit, that decision. [00:11:51] Um, if, if, uh, cause you could argue that some people, some people would flip it and some people would say, well, if you know that you’re having a perfectly healthy [00:12:00] child that can survive and thrive and you’re choosing not to bring that into the world, that is worse than choosing not to bring, you know, a child that has, you know, a lot of medical complications, uh, mental or [00:12:11] Brett: elitist. [00:12:13] Christina: it is. [00:12:14] But That’s the whole point of, I mean, a. Our society, this is the society we live in. Um, so, so some people would absolutely say that that choosing to not bring a healthy child from the world is, is worse or every bit is bad to me. I don’t think that there’s a moral difference, I think is the exact same thing. [00:12:33] And I think that it’s a, it’s a completely ethical decision to make if you’re making it yourself. I think that where it becomes problematic [00:12:40] Brett: Oh, God. Yeah. [00:12:42] Christina: when, as it was very common, I mean, China is now dealing with this problem, but you know, the fact that you were only allowed one child and that, that men were so preferred that they had, you know, um, I mean, they were like, you see this in other places too, but you know, like, like ultrasounds and whatnot, you know, portable [00:13:00] ultrasounds and things like that, where women are finding out what the sex of their child is, and then getting an abortion for that reason. [00:13:06] Like, I think that that is, [00:13:08] Brett: it’s that really different though? [00:13:10] Christina: it is though, because it’s not their choice that their government [00:13:13] Brett: oh, I see what you’re saying. [00:13:14] Christina: the government is saying, you can have one child [00:13:16] Brett: Anytime, anytime an abortion decision is made by anyone other than the mother, I’m not okay. [00:13:24] Christina: Yeah. I mean, look, I personally think that if you’re going to, you know, make the decision based on gender and no one else is doing anything. Yeah. That seems a little fucked, but whatever. Uh, but when the government is the one who’s saying, you can only have one child and then you’re having to put the pros and cons and in your mind, because women have been so, you know, mistreated and in our are subjugated to different, you know, like allowances and opportunities than men that you obviously want your child to have the best opportunity. [00:13:55] Then, you know, you wound up, you, Y you wind up fucking society. I mean, that’s honestly, I [00:14:00] think, uh, at an even better like argument for like equal rights than, uh, than anything is to be like, yeah, this is what happens when, when you make it so clear that one, um, you know, uh, sex is, is better than the other. [00:14:15] Brett: Can do, can you imagine if we were doing this show live and had a chat open right now? [00:14:20] Christina: Okay. Well, we still pissed. [00:14:22] Brett: So dear listeners, um, in case you don’t know, we have a discord server and it is chock full of neurodiverse and queer, and generally interesting people, but it’s not super active. Um, like they’re usually on a given day one or two short conversations, and I wish, I wish it were more active without having to actually put any effort in. [00:14:49] I wish that, uh, it just sparked more conversation, but if you have some feelings about eugenics, uh, abortion, come share them, [00:15:00] start a lively discussion. Everyone there is super nice, uh, friendly. They can be stern, but they won’t be mean. [00:15:09] Christina: Yeah. Which has fantastic. [00:15:11] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. I love RP. [00:15:14] Christina: Yeah, I love our people too. I need to be more active in the discord. I took discord off my phone. I’m going to put it back on again. Um, but things were getting too much. Um, I was, [00:15:25] Brett: mobile. [00:15:26] Christina: well, it was getting, it was getting just like I had like too many, um, like I, it’s one of those things where sometimes you get like the slack problem, you know, or you have too many of them. [00:15:37] Brett: Yeah. [00:15:38] Christina: My issue Chu. And I talked about this before, so I have like a lurker discord account that is not tied to my actual identity that I like for certain types of like PC, uh, like this is like, especially when I was like console hunting and like PC component hunting. But I like to be in, and then there are there’s, you know, the one that I have that I’m in the overtired one that is [00:16:00] actually attached my real identity and this score, doesn’t let you manage multiple accounts very well. [00:16:05] Like you have to basically have two different instances open. So I have to have to, like, I have to have basically two PWAs, um, uh, to do it. And so it’s, uh, it’s, it’s frustrating that they don’t let you do that. Um, like a better, especially since discord of all of them know that you often want to have a different identity in different groups, because the issue is yes, you can have a different username and different servers, but, and I realize I’m being paranoid here, but I’m also not being paranoid here. [00:16:35] If people want to, they can use different tools to find a list of your usernames and other discords and what other discourse you’re part of. And so it’s one of those things where like, I don’t know, I don’t know. And maybe this is, this is probably more of a me issue than like a normal person issue. I’m not famous or anything, but I’m, well-known enough that [00:17:00] like, there’s just times when you don’t want to be. [00:17:04] Like, there are just times when you just don’t want people to get mad at you. Even if you say something completely fine and then like threaten your, you know, threaten your like employability and shit like that, you know? [00:17:15] Brett: Sometimes you’re just not in the mood for that kind of. [00:17:17] Christina: Exactly. Exactly. Cause I’ve I’ve had instances cause I haven’t had something like, cause I, again, I primarily use like my real name, most places or, or, or I use, you know, film underscore girl, you know, username or whatever. [00:17:29] And, and I was in some forum recently and I was just commenting like a normal customer. Like everybody else, he knows excited to get like my, my product ordered or whatever. And again, I wasn’t mad that this happened. I was actually, um, it’s, it’s always nice when, when people recognize you, but I had a number of people in that chat who are not part of my, you know, typical, normal audience who like knew me and were like, oh, you know, we’ve got somebody, you know, well-known in here. [00:17:54] And I’m like, um, Uh, customer like anybody else, you know? And, and it was super [00:18:00] nice that like, people, like, obviously you like listen to my podcasts and know me from other things. And like, I have no problem with that, but it’s just, it’s sort of this weird reminder. It’s like, okay, you want, I’m not trying to, you know? [00:18:11] Yeah. It just, it’s just, there are times when I would just rather be on my lurker account. [00:18:17] Nerdy, As Usual [00:18:17] Brett: I get it, man. Okay. My, my, my brain is, so I have, I term up, my advisor is showing and there’s like some Jason output from a script and I got totally distracted thinking about, oh, I made a VPN button. So like I told you about this whole like thing where I run Docker on my [00:18:44] Christina: Exactly. Exactly. and then you’re like basically SSH into it to run a tunnel. [00:18:49] Brett: But I don’t have an easy way to check the status to make sure that the Docker image is running, that the ports are connected. [00:18:58] Uh, and in [00:19:00] know, like I have a, uh, terminal, like I can type VPN in my terminal and it’ll send a script to the mini and restart the Docker image, like close it out and start it because, um, our VPN connection expires every 24 hours. [00:19:17] Christina: Oh, that’s So, [00:19:19] Brett: yeah. You know, but it’s not. So I just have a launch D task that, that restarts it every night at midnight, and generally that works, but sometimes it fails to actually restart it. [00:19:31] So anyway, what I did, I added a shell script button to my touch bar. I, and I actually have a real touch bar. I’ll tell you about that later. Um, but on my simulator and on my touch bar, I get a blue icon with a lock. If the VPN is functioning and all of the ports are open, if it, and it checks it every 30 seconds, if at any point it’s not like fully functional, the icon turns orange. [00:19:59] And if I [00:20:00] press and hold it, uh, it will restart the Docker. Image and then give me the status so I can do all of this without having to SSH or screenshare or anything. Um, it’s a very cool little system. I’m very, I’m very pleased with myself. [00:20:19] Christina: You too. That’s awesome. [00:20:21] Brett: Yeah. Um, we’ll talk about laptops in a second. [00:20:26] Christina: Yeah, I am. While you were talking about your VPN button, I was going through My [00:20:30] get hub, um, stars and, um, um, I think I’d had this one before, but it changed names. And so I recently was trying it out cause I needed a recommendation for people. Um, this just reminded me, It’s completely a tangent, but it, it, it, this would be something that actually you would, you, I could see you scripting to your, your stream deck or your, um, your, uh, touch bar kind of set up or whatever. [00:20:51] But, um, you know, we’ve talked about how much we love YouTube DL before and there’s, um, um, the, the gooey that somebody [00:21:00] built for it in, in Python or whatever, like in QT or whatever. Cute. At the Jillian years ago, hasn’t been updated in like four years. And so, um, for people who need like a, cross-platform gooey to recommend to people who don’t want to deal with all the command line stuff there haven’t been a lot of options like on Mac, the best option is Downey, but it costs money, which some people don’t like, [00:21:21] Brett: on set up [00:21:22] Christina: it is on setup. [00:21:23] Brett: I will swear by Downey. [00:21:24] Christina: I, I love, I love, Downey. That’s what I use. But there are times when I’m either on like a, I’m not on a Mac, which is, you know, not super common, but it’s certainly a thing that happens sometimes. And, um, uh, the bigger thing is, but I need to recommend it to people who, for whatever reason, maybe they’re not on a Mac or they don’t want to pay for Downey. [00:21:45] or they don’t for whatever reason, subscribe to set up, which I mean, [00:21:50] Brett: Crazy. That’s crazy. [00:21:52] Christina: look, I agreed some of the best money I spend every month. [00:21:54] Um, I’m like, they’re not even sponsoring us this week or. [00:21:58] Brett: never have. [00:21:59] Christina: He [00:22:00] never had the number sponsored, that’s your right, but I love set up a, they should be a sponsor. Um, but, um, there’s a new one called open. It’s been around for a while, but it’s recently just had some nice updates it’s called, um, eh, the, it used to be called like YouTube DL gooey or whatever. [00:22:18] Um, but, um, they had to change the name because YouTube was trademarked. So it’s now open video downloader and it’s a, it’s, it’s made an electron and no JS, but it’s got a Nice. like modern kind of interface. And I like it it’s, it’s not Downey. Downey is I think still going to be like, you know, for, for Mac users the best and like most, you know, like performance kind of thing. [00:22:44] But I like it it’s it’s well done. And, um, the, the guy is really active on. Um, it’s still using the, the current, uh, YouTube DL, um, binary, but one of the features on the roadmap is to replace it with one of [00:23:00] the UDL forks. That’s added a bunch of really good stuff. And so, uh, and that seems to be more active because even before the whole kerfuffle of the RIA or whoever, NPAA, whoever sending take-down stuff, like it hadn’t been active or super active. [00:23:16] Um, and, um, there’ve been a lot of like, um, you know, PRS that hadn’t been merged and whatnot. So somebody finally, there were two, there, there are two forks and I think that the there’s one, um, that is, uh, that’s more active then. Um, another DLP is, is the one that’s more active cause there’s another one is DL something. [00:23:37] But, um, uh, it might be DLG I don’t remember, but, but anyway, um, whatever the more active one is, um, they, uh, they already have it on, um, Like the, the doc to, to, um, integrate into kind of replace because it’s, uh, cause like, I think it’s DLP. I believe that’s the one where it has like the option to, to do, [00:24:00] um, like, um, ad blocking and things like that. [00:24:02] Like when you download stuff or when you’re doing other things, so sponsored block, I believe it’s called so [00:24:09] Brett: Nice. Wow. That, yeah. W I, I lost track. I was looking at your stars via our website where Christina’s stars are in the footer. Um, which, which one is the, the nice, uh, interface you were talking about? Cause there’s like a WX Python. [00:24:28] Christina: yeah. And that’s not the right one it’s I put it in our show notes and our Quip. It is, it is, is the jelly 2000 to YouTube yell. And I believe that 2002 means the person was born in 2002, which, um, it’s horrifying, um, on a lot of levels, but also as persons, very talented, so [00:24:49] Brett: cool. Cool. [00:24:51] All right. So my first big project at work, uh, I just got word from the highest level [00:25:00] person that actually interacts with my team. So the CMO, uh, uh, loved my love, the Jekyll set. Hi bill. [00:24:51] Your Employer and Your Mental Health [00:25:09] Christina: nice. [00:25:10] Brett: Like there were a few, it was, it was mostly functional on Monday. And then I went and manic and worked on it all through. [00:25:20] Monday night, Tuesday night, uh, I added search full like lunar based search. I added, I made, I made the menu like super cool, responsive, like, you know how, like you shrink the screen down and you get the hamburger menu. This one, like as menu items fall off, like puts it into an overflow hamburger menu. Uh, so you can, it doesn’t all happen at once. [00:25:45] And I did a bunch of styling, did a bunch of, I wrote a plugin that if you set a front matter tag on a markdown post, it will separate, it’ll find all of the, uh, H [00:26:00] twos or you can tell it in, in the plugin, do you use H three or four and it will split them up into slides and give you like it’s four tutorials. [00:26:10] So then you get like the interest slide with a big begin button and you can page through the sections and. Slides. So it’s like an automatic one page app for every tutorial we’re putting on the site. It’s it was awesome. I’m very proud of it. Uh, you know, like I got to the, I had a, uh, one-on-one meeting with my manager, uh, halfway through this manic phase and I was, I, I was showing him all the stuff I’d done and he was super happy and I, I almost decided right then to explain why I was getting so much done and what the other side of it would be, and just be like upfront about the bipolar thing I decided [00:27:00] not to, because anytime I make life decisions during a manic phase, I’ve learned to question them, [00:27:07] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Cause that could have gone either way. Like if you like And have a good relationship with your manager, then I think that in some cases that, would actually be like a beneficial thing to have on the other hand, it, depending on how well, you know, the person and other things like that could cause some people to treat you weirdly and [00:27:25] Brett: was my concern. [00:27:26] Christina: want yeah, exactly. [00:27:27] I would say, cause it might be the right, Um, you know, like decision, but it might not be, [00:27:33] Brett: I’m not simpatico with my manager. Like we get along. [00:27:38] Christina: but it’s not that relationship. [00:27:39] Brett: Yeah. I don’t feel in any way personally connected to him. Uh, I don’t feel like we get each other on a personal level. [00:27:48] Christina: Right. So in that case, I think that it was a good thing that you opted to. And I would say even regardless, even if it was a thing that you did eventually decide, you wanted to share. I think that it was good that you had the [00:28:00] forethought to be like, you know what, when I’m manic, don’t make these decisions. [00:28:03] Because even if it is one that you want to make, you should make it, then [00:28:06] Brett: The benefit would be when I hit like, like severe depression and I spend one to two weeks unable to even like go into my office because it just seems overwhelming and bad. Like it would be nice to be able to honestly convey what was going on. Um, like I can, in those times I can sit through a zoom meeting. [00:28:32] Um, I can even, like, if you give me a very specific, uh, easily accomplished task, I can do it, but I’m not in a place where I’m going to take like initiative. And some things are going to take longer than usual and being able to just say, Hey, yeah, you remember like two weeks ago when I did like a month worth of work, uh, I need you to recognize that, uh, I’m not going to be working for a week now. [00:28:59] Christina: Right. [00:29:00] And, and I wonder if like that would be the right time, like when you’re in a depression to maybe have that conversation, um, versus when you’re in a manic state. [00:29:08] Brett: I just feel like it would go over better and a manic state when I’m flying through work and I’m showing them all this great stuff to tell them at that point, like, here’s, here’s why this great stuff that you love is happening. Uh, and just so you know, in the future, there will be the opposite happening. [00:29:29] I just feel like it would go over better than it would after like three days of being unresponsive and pissing people off. Then like, then it feels like an excuse instead of a warning. [00:29:41] Christina: right. Or maybe the best time if you’re going to have a conversation at all is when neither of those things are happening [00:29:46] Brett: When I’m totally stable. [00:29:47] Christina: When you’re completely stable. [00:29:48] and you’re able to say, look, you might have noticed these two things and, and I can be incredibly productive and I can do all this stuff. [00:29:55] The downside of that is there is also maybe periods where I’m not as [00:30:00] responsive and, um, I’m not as productive. So just to kind of set the standard of what you can expect, which is to me, it would basically kind of be like, Hey, expect the same output of me that you expect from anyone else. Just know that it might be delivered in different ways. [00:30:16] There might be periods of time when I’m over productive and there might be periods of time when that’s not going to be sustained, but. [00:30:25] Brett: It’s going to come out eventually. I’m going to have to, if it were to, if I were to be faced with it, like if someone said, Hey, what’s going on? I have no problem with being honest. It’s a matter of whether I’m going to volunteer the information or not. [00:30:40] Christina: Yeah, no. And I think that that’s a really valid thing cause I’ve certainly, I’ve had both experiences. I’ve had people be very understanding and I’ve had people be very not understanding. And then I’ve also had this fear in the back of my mind, where if you’re too open about it, even if they’re understanding they then mentally decide that they’re not going to give you more things to work [00:31:00] on. [00:31:00] And they’re, they’re going to try to right. Exactly. I mean, but you know that they’re, they’re going to mentally kind of take on the thing of, oh, we don’t want to give you too many things because we’re trying to help you out. [00:31:12] Brett: Yeah. [00:31:13] Christina: So. [00:31:14] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. It’s, there’s this weird line between understanding and support and, and pity and, uh, treating someone like they’re disabled. [00:31:26] Christina: Right. [00:31:27] Brett: Like you can make accommodations, but some certain amounts of like proactive accommodations are unwelcome. [00:31:35] Christina: I agree. I, 100% agree because sometimes I’m like, I don’t actually want your accommodation. I just want you to have understanding, um, that, you know, this is a reality, I will, I’m an adult and I will take care of things. You know, what’s what I’m going to get done. I’m going to get done. Just know that if I’m telling you that something might be like an issue that, you know, like. [00:31:58] Brett: This happens in my [00:32:00] relationship too. Like especially, uh, like a couple of days into a manic phase, I become very reclusive and introverted and like, I will sit and code for 12 hours straight. Uh, but like talking to people becomes very difficult. Uh, plus I get super rambly and like, so L when Al is in like a really good emotional place, she. [00:32:30] Tris or at least she used to like try to do whatever I needed to make it. Okay. And that makes me feel worse. What I really need is two to four. So to have honest communication acknowledge what’s happening, uh, and then be able to just pull back and not feel like I’m damaging anyone else’s life and just getting what I need when I need it. [00:32:59] And not having [00:33:00] someone try to proactively fix anything. I just, we were really good at it. Now we both have our, our rough, our rough patches, uh, pretty regularly. And sometimes we go through rough patches at the same time, but like we’ve learned to acknowledge, make sure the other person knows that you love them no matter what. [00:33:20] And then kind of just fuck off and let people deal with their shit. [00:33:24] Christina: That’s really great. [00:33:26] Brett: Yeah, we’re doing a podcast right now. [00:33:28] Christina: Oh, are [00:33:29] Brett: we haven’t published it yet where we’re doing recordings because over the five years we’ve been together. Like we are very different people that learned new ways to communicate and to be in a relationship, uh, with someone very different. [00:33:48] We have certain similarities that are very, uh, very strong and, but we figured out ways to communicate and ways to deal with [00:34:00] conflict and, and all of these things that are very, uh, specific to like neurodiverse couples, neurodivergent couples. And, and so we’re doing a podcast. It’ll, it’ll be like short episodes, but we’re just going to talk about things. [00:34:16] We figured out things, we learned things we’re working on and, uh, and, and just kind of document you ever heard two headed girl. [00:34:24] Christina: I have not. [00:34:25] Brett: Uh, Alex Cox and, and Maddie, uh, do you, uh, it it’s a similar format to what they do. Uh, I’ll link it if anyone’s curious, but it’s, uh, uh, uh, a non-binary couple and just, uh, how their relationship works. [00:34:41] Christina: That’s awesome. [00:34:42] Brett: Yeah. Alex Cox is awesome. Do you know Alex? [00:34:45] Christina: I do know Alex? They’re really cool. [00:34:47] Brett: Oh, she’s in our discord. I think [00:34:49] Christina: I really. [00:34:50] Brett: he, they are in our discord. I think, I think, yeah, I’m forgetting pronouns, but [00:34:57] Christina: yeah, I thought it was there. but I don’t want [00:34:59] Brett: yeah, I think it’s [00:35:00] there. [00:35:00] Christina: be incorrect. Yeah. [00:35:01] Brett: it’s there. Um, anyway, where are we? What’s happening? [00:35:05] Christina: I don’t know. Do we, do we need to go into a sponsor? Read? [00:35:07] Sponsor: Sanebox [00:35:07] Brett: Oh, yeah, let’s do that. Um, uh, email, like when I’m manic, I, I don’t check my email. I totally forget about it. And things pile up. Um, uh, fortunately I have this thing called SaneBox that automatically sorts out all of my unimportant emails. Uh, I think everybody though gets too much email. Um, but how much of it actually warrants a notification or an unread badge on your, in your dot. [00:35:42] Uh, that’s kind of where SaneBox comes in. You can think of it as an EMT for your email as messages flow in SaneBox does the triage for you sifting only the important emails in your inbox, and then everything else goes into a sane later folder. So when you sit down or your email, you know [00:36:00] exactly which messages you need to pay attention to right then, and then when you have the time and the space and the inclination, you can go through the unimportant stuff. [00:36:10] Um, it also has nifty features like sane black hole, where you can drag messages from annoying centers. You never want to hear from again. Uh, and then there’s one called sane reminders that, uh, you can have it ping you. If you send an email and you don’t get a reply within a certain period of time, a way to like, be able to send it and forget it, but not lose it. [00:36:33] Um, and best of all, you can use SaneBox with any email client on any computer or phone anywhere you check your email and I’ve been using it for years. And I recommend it to literally everybody, my entire email workflow is based around it. Uh, one of my favorite features is snooze. Uh, instead of relying on different email apps with their various implementations of snooze, I can create custom mailboxes with [00:37:00] custom timers, like three hours tomorrow or next week. [00:37:04] And then I just move a message from my inbox or from my same later folder into any one of these folders. And when their timer is up, that the message moves back to my inbox as an unread message. Uh, and this works no matter which male client I’m using. So I get a consistent implementation across everything. [00:37:22] And in my favorite mail app, MailMate on my Mac. Uh, there is no snooze, so it basically adds news to apps that don’t have it. Um, see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a free two week trial visit sanebox.com/overtired today to start your free trial and get a $25 credit that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. [00:37:53] Excellent to have you as a sponsor. SaneBox and I seriously do recommend it. [00:37:58] Christina: Thank you. [00:38:00] SaneBox [00:38:00] Get Yourself an Icon Designer. And A Housecleaner. [00:38:00] Brett: You want to know one of the decisions I did make while I was manic? [00:38:03] Christina: I do. What, what, what did you buy? [00:38:06] Brett: Uh, I hired, I hired a guy. [00:38:09] Christina: Nice. Okay. So you want a person wondering. [00:38:12] Brett: Yeah. So a while back, uh, I got this random email from a guy who’s like, Hey, uh, he saw that I was trying, I was working on a new icon for Mart. Uh, it hadn’t been updated in like a decade and it was time for a new icon. [00:38:30] And I had some ideas that I liked. Um, my favorite one though, uh, I loved it. I put it out on Twitter for feedback and was immediately sent a link to another company that had almost the exact same icon. So it was like back to the drawing board. I made some modifications. Didn’t didn’t ever come to something that I want it because it’s a big deal. [00:38:54] When you change an icon that some of your customers see every day, [00:39:00] 90% of people do not react well to any change, even if it’s better. But, uh, this guy emails me. He’s like, Hey, I took your, your design. And I, I ran with it and he sent me a new icon for mark and we went back and forth and totally for free. [00:39:20] I, uh, I, I had a new icon that I then published and I got mixed reactions. Like I said, people don’t love change, but everyone’s gotten used to it now. I’m super happy with it. Um, if you want to see the new icon, it’s at the bottom of the Quip document. Um, and then, uh, he offered me one for bunch for free again, and I also liked it better than what I had. [00:39:48] So the next release of a bunch is going to have, uh, a new icon. Um, So while I’m manic, I’m looking at envy ultra in my dock and realizing I made the [00:40:00] NBL track on, I do not like it. It was like we spent so long trying to decide, and this is after spending months trying to pick a better name. [00:40:09] Christina: Correct. [00:40:10] Brett: Well, then we spend a month trying to come to an agreement on what would make a good icon and colors and, and focus and all of these things. [00:40:21] Eventually we came to like lowest, common denominator, something, both Fletcher. And I agreed. Wasn’t awful. Um, but I don’t love it. And, uh, so I decided, Hey, this guy has done two apps for me for free. I love his work and I want to pay him. I want to pay him. And I want to stop having to think about and be ultra, hire it out. [00:40:45] And so I, I asked him for an estimate, he came back super low ball. Uh, like I, I. He undervalues his work. So I offered him, uh, about 25% more than he asked for. And [00:41:00] he, he took the deal and then I wanted to send him money in advance and he’s like, I don’t work that way. You pay me when I’m finished. Um, I said, okay, but I’ve already got the money set aside for him. [00:41:10] Um, I’m excited. I just love the idea of not having to think about it. [00:41:16] Christina: Yeah, [00:41:16] no, I like that too. I mean, and also, I mean, this is also why it’s great to just like, you know, pay people who are really good at what they do. Like, just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, um, it doesn’t mean you’re the best person for it. If you have other opportunities, I love, I, it was really hard for me to kind of get to that place to realize, oh no, I can pay someone to do this and they’ll be better at it. [00:41:37] Like, I don’t have to do this all [00:41:38] Brett: Like [00:41:39] Christina: So proud of you. This is exactly what I was thinking. I was like, I love having a cleaner come in. I love it. [00:41:45] Brett: Yeah. [00:41:46] Christina: It’s not my favorite thing to do. So why not pay someone like a good amount of money to do it? [00:41:51] Brett: Yeah, we booked a house cleaner and they were booked out until I think this month, I think September will be the first month that we [00:42:00] actually have a house cleaner come, but L a is very, she gets very nervous about other people, uh, coming into what she considers a messy home. So the idea of having a cleaner, like she had to get the house clean enough to have a cleaner come in. [00:42:17] Uh, but we had, we threw a party around my birthday and, uh, as preparation for the party, we did a deep clean on the house and we’ve kept it there ever since. And so we’re finally at a place where she’s comfortable bringing in a professional cleaner. So for like a hundred bucks a visit, we get a deep clean on our house and I’m looking forward to it. [00:42:41] Christina: Yeah, that’s awesome. Um, and, uh, um, hopefully it, cause my mom is that way about like, being like really like not wanting the house to be in a certain state, you know, for the cleaner to come in. I’m less that [00:42:55] Brett: Yeah, I [00:42:56] Christina: where like, I’m like, don’t care. I mean, I will [00:42:59] Brett: do it. [00:43:00] I don’t care. [00:43:00] Christina: I will pay for like the deep clean, you know, if it’s really bad, then like you pay for somebody to come in and do a deep clean first. [00:43:06] And then once they’re at a baseline, then, you know, you pay like less and they’ll come in. But yeah, I definitely am at that point where I’m like, I do not care. [00:43:14] Like I respectfully I’m like, you know what? This is, this is my, this is why I’m sure you’ve seen worse. Um, and, uh, and if you haven’t, I trust that you’re not going to tell me. [00:43:25] And, um, you know, we don’t need to be, we don’t need to be friends. Like it’s okay. [00:43:30] Let’s Talk About Coaches [00:43:30] Brett: I had, uh, someone I interviewed for a systematic, uh, started their career out as like an organization coach, uh, and someone who would like help people figure out their very messy homes and how to, how to gain sanity. And in the process, she realized that most of her clients were add. Um, and, and she became very interested in ADHD as like, how does she. [00:43:59] [00:44:00] Uh, how does she help people with ADHD in a way that, uh, she wouldn’t help a neuro-typical and now she’s a full-time ADHD coach and has gone into like all, all in on the ADHD, uh, uh, management, which is, I feel like you and I were both talking about housecleaning and we’re both coming from a place of a pretty typical ADHD, housecleaning, um, uh, habits. [00:44:31] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I could probably use, I don’t know. I’ve heard of people talking about their ADHD coach and I think that if it’s the right person, I could actually see it. Maybe being useful. Part of me though, wonders, like, and I’m not talking about this person because this person seems like she was starting to do something else. [00:44:44] And, and, and like really realize that like there was another value add thing there, but for some people I do, and this, this could just be in, this could be another thing that gets me in trouble with people, but I do kind of feel like it’s a grift. [00:44:58] Brett: How [00:45:00] ma how, how is it a grift? [00:45:02] Christina: Okay. Well, I think that coaching in general, there’s a certain grift? [00:45:05] aspect. I think that some coaching is really great. Like I think there’s some executive coaches and some people who do that sort of stuff, who can be really good. I think that there are also a very large number just because it’s not regulated in any way of people who just flat out are selling snake oil, [00:45:22] Brett: Yes, let’s acknowledge though that first part, because I know some very [00:45:27] Christina: as do I, as do I, as do I, and, and, and so I I’m, I’m not, not acknowledging that. I just want to say that. I, I think we should also acknowledge that the good people are few and far between because it is unregulated and there’s a lot of snake oil out there that, and, and that, to say that it’s few and far between doesn’t mean there’s still not like thousands and thousands of great people. [00:45:51] It just means that it’s such a big industry. That finding that can be maybe more difficult and that oftentimes the ways that people find those things are [00:46:00] optimized for the snake oil versus the quality means you usually need to have a personal referral. So when I th and I see people like doing ADHD coaching, my initial instinct is to be like, okay, shouldn’t that be something you should be talking about with your therapist? [00:46:17] Brett: You know, what’s a horrible grift. Wealth coaching these, these, uh, there’s like YouTube channels and self-help, uh, uh, offshoots of them where they basically target poor people with the promise of becoming a billionaire. And here are all the secrets you need to know. And there’s like this YouTube channel that does videos, like here are seven things that poor people do that rich people don’t and it’s the most, like, [00:46:49] Christina: Um, [00:46:49] Brett: just it’s horrible. [00:46:51] Like this stuff is horrible. And the fact that you’re preying on people who already don’t have enough money and you’re [00:47:00] preying on their like emotional need for relief. [00:47:03] Christina: Yup. [00:47:04] Brett: That is horrendous to me. That is despicable. [00:47:07] Christina: No, I, 100% agree with that. Um, I think that, [00:47:10] Brett: there is no path from low-income to billionaire like that doesn’t exist. [00:47:16] Christina: um, [00:47:17] Brett: Even the lottery might get you to a millionaire, but after taxes and, and typical monies management, [00:47:24] Christina: to two billionaire, probably not there, uh, if you’re talking like genuinely coming from like absolutely nothing. [00:47:33] Brett: I’m talking no inheritance, no property. Low-income. [00:47:37] Christina: I’m not going to see there. I’m not going to say there’s no path. I’m going to say that it’s, it’s remarkably, that the people who do find that, um, who are usually going to be founders have other, um, things going for them that, uh, not maybe inheritance to other stuff, but, but have opportunities and have other like help that is either going to be exceedingly [00:48:00] rare. [00:48:00] Um, or, uh, that comes from Like those associated privileges. Uh, in general. I think that you’re correct. I just don’t want to blanket say that there’s no path. I think [00:48:10] Brett: Like you’re describing, you’re describing the American dream that we’re all sold. This idea that if things go well for you, if you work hard, [00:48:20] Christina: well, no, I’m not, I’m not talking. No, I’m not talking about meritocracy or the American dream. I’m not saying if you work hard, I’m saying if you’re lucky, [00:48:26] Brett: Yeah. There’s a lot of luck. Maybe, maybe you come up with a great idea and. You get investors and maybe you get lucky enough to make one of the million startups out there, actually succeed. And, and, and, and then based on like the American definition of success, these days, you sell your company, um, and then you have a nest egg to start another company, and then you can have side hustles and you’re still not going to become a billionaire. [00:48:56] Christina: Uh, probably not, but, but there, um, I [00:49:00] don’t know. I mean, [00:49:00] Brett: Like there are one or two people in the us that maybe have followed that path. And they’re, they’re frequently held up as [00:49:09] Christina: I agree, I’m just, [00:49:11] Brett: this is possible for everyone. It’s [00:49:13] Christina: no, I know it’d be clear. It’s not possible for everyone. It’s not possible for most people’s on post possible. Like almost at all. I just. [00:49:19] want to, I just. When I hate like speaking in absolutes, being like, there’s No. possible way, period. It’s like, is it going to happen? I think that you do have a better chance of winning the lottery. [00:49:29] Um, and, and I do agree with you that the people who are giving that sort of coaching advice, it’s also dumb the wealth coaching stuff, because most of those people, a they’re making their money. They’re making their wealth off of selling people, how to be rich, which is like the one of those common scams of all, but B they are not billionaires. [00:49:45] Billionaires do not teach classes like that errors. Um, if they are not in wealth management, themselves and investors and people like Warren buffet who have a very deep understanding of how these systems work, if they’re not market makers in the traditional sense, [00:49:59] Brett: you imagine [00:50:00] Warren Buffett offering a seminar? [00:50:02] Christina: God, a Warren buffet, masterclass. The thing is, and there’d be no way. Right. Um, and masterclass is like, you know, seen as like the legit one, right. And there’d be no way that he would do a masterclass. Um, he’s worn fucking buffet. He does a, he doesn’t need the money. And like, it also like lowers his, like it would cheapen him somehow. [00:50:20] Capitalism v. Workers of The World [00:50:20] Christina: Um, so there’s no way that he would do that. But, but beyond that, like billionaires, because as, as you said, in most cases, it does follow generational wealth and follows other things. Um, people who are, but there are people who have had fame and have had money other way who have been millionaires for instance, and that have gone on to be billionaires, which is very impressive in and of itself. [00:50:46] Uh, I, I, again, I’m not saying that that that’s something that normal people can follow, but I don’t actually have disrespect and I don’t want to discount the hard work of somebody who, you know, like might’ve come from, um, You know, some [00:51:00] money and, and had some opportunities, but turned, you know, that thousandfold, right? [00:51:04] Like, like, you know, that, that that’s nothing to, to, uh, to sneer at, but those people have wealth managers. Like they’re not, you know what I mean? Like they have money, they have finance people. They have people who are, who they literally employ to make them a good return on their investment. Like they literally have people who like manage this for them. [00:51:26] Brett: and they can afford those people. Like what depresses me is, uh, people who work two or three jobs, uh, and, and make minimum wage and can barely pay their rent. Like they’re working hard if the American dream is true and they’ve, they’ve gone out, they’ve got the jobs and they’re working more than full-time. [00:51:48] They should be able to at least eat out a comfortable life. Uh, in my opinion, you should be able to work one full-time job and have a comfortable life. Uh, it’s [00:52:00] depressing to me. It’s so rare that anyone gets ahead. And when someone does a EV it’s held up for everyone else, as the example, if you keep doing what you’re doing, you too can be like this person. [00:52:15] And it’s not fair. It’s it’s, it’s a lie. It’s just, it’s a lie. [00:52:21] Christina: It is a lie. It is a lie. Um, there are people who get lucky. There are people. I don’t think it was always a lie. [00:52:27] I think that there was a time when it was more possible. Like my grandfather did it. Um, he also wound up dying. Having embezzled a bunch of money from the business. No, but he embezzled from himself, right. [00:52:43] He embezzled from the company business. So my dad was left holding the bag cause my dad was an idiot and said that he’d be personally liable for and for business, for, you know, um, like, uh, you know, money incurred by the bit like desert by the business, which was stupid on his part, but like never do that. [00:52:59] [00:53:00] Um, but my, you know, But like my grandfather literally did go from not having shoes to being one of the more prominent people in Atlanta business. Um, you know, like Ted Turner was at Ted Turner was at his funeral. Um, like, so [00:53:19] Brett: it was still, it was still rare at the last turn of the century, but it was definitely, uh, there, there, there were more paths than. [00:53:31] Christina: Yes, exactly. And that’s all I’m saying, like now, now what my grandfather did, you wouldn’t be able to do. And even though like the way that it, that it ended up as is not one of those things where I’m like, I’d be like, oh yeah. So, um, you know, uh, he, everything was so good cause I certainly the generational wealth aspect of it certainly didn’t that didn’t happen, um, with us. Um, it was certainly one of those, like I’m, I’m I have it I’m spending it. I have a certain lifestyle on paper. It was just, like on the OCU and cable dies and, and, uh, and Julie finds [00:54:00] out, oh, actually he was broke. The whole, he had gone into debt. Real estate is one of those businesses where that can happen. [00:54:05] Um, but it is still one of those things where in one generation he went from, again, like literally not having shoes to, you know, dining with and being part of like this in club of people who did have generational wealth. Which is interesting and it’s fascinating to me cause I don’t know how he did that. [00:54:25] I wish that I hadn’t been five years old when he died, because I would love to know like how he managed to do that. Especially since he was like, I don’t, I don’t even, I don’t even think he was 70 when he died. So, [00:54:37] Brett: Um, I’m just, [00:54:38] Christina: it, but, [00:54:38] Brett: I’m going to end this conversation with, uh, I’m. I’m just going to say it. I wholeheartedly believed that capitalism is bad and it does. Uh, so hit me up in discord. If you disagree, [00:54:53] Christina: uh, I mean, I don’t agree with that. Um, I don’t think that capitalism, is the end all be all, but, uh, I think that, [00:55:00] uh, that pure [00:55:01] Brett: capitalism, isn’t a Bismal failure for 90% of the population. We could all be better off. [00:55:08] Christina: we could be accepted. I wouldn’t, but the pure communism and pure socialism isn’t isn’t good. [00:55:14] Brett: No democratic socialism works, though. It does. [00:55:18] Christina: It does. [00:55:19] that has a lot more in common with capitalism than. [00:55:23] Brett: It does it, it has a market. And it has, uh, your basic tenants of, uh, of the, the major difference is that the means of production people aren’t exploited. And that is where capitalism really capitalism can’t exist without exploitation. Uh, it it’s, it’s the core tenant of capitalism is that you pay people as little as you can to make as much money as you can off of their work. [00:55:54] And like, you can only do that for so long before things, uh, before the, the [00:56:00] wealth inequality grows to a point where everything’s a lie. [00:56:05] Christina: Although. Yeah. Although I would say that, I think that if you ask people like, like Adam Smith and other like famous economists, if they would look at the current system as it is in the United States, I think that they would argue that it is not an actual. Like interpretation of capitalism, that, that the markets are not equal. [00:56:23] And that there are like, you know, there are other forces at play that have made the income inequality as bad as it is that there’ve been, you know, that the system that we have is actually worse than a pure capitalism play because instead of having, you know, markers there to try to balance things on behalf of people who don’t have as much, it goes in the other way where we have like the finger on the scale to give more to the people who already have things, [00:56:50] Brett: Yes, but that is, I mean, if you look at the, what is purely capitalism, [00:56:56] Christina: that’s not, but that’s not like if you, if again, like [00:57:00] we don’t need to get into this whole thing, but that’s [00:57:01] Brett: too late, we already did, but we only have three minutes left. [00:57:05] Christina: Okay. Well, anyway, that’s not pure capitalism though. Like the, the, the, the market is not supposed to, um, have its finger on the scale to benefit the others. [00:57:15] Pure capitalist system would be like, uh, Like a, an even income tax, right? Like a flat tax. Like that would actually be a pure capitalist thing, which just as many wealthy people would very be, would be very angry about because they would wind up paying more in taxes than where they are. Now [00:57:31] Brett: you’re talking about like, like capitalism on paper, [00:57:34] Christina: I’m talking about like, I as like an economic system. [00:57:38] Brett: but the on-paper version is almost guaranteed. Alec Marx predicted it, that it’s almost guaranteed to become what we have today. Like it doesn’t function in a vacuum. In order to progress it, all of these, all of these fingers on the market and on, [00:58:00] uh, on, uh, things that cause wealth inequality are basically exacerbated and created as a result of trying to, I mean, the goal is always to make more, the goal is wealth. [00:58:14] You’re going to do whatever it takes. You’re going to break whatever rules you have to. [00:58:18] Christina: No, because there is like the whole issue of, of equilibrium. And so, I mean, again, I’m just like saying like I disagree with Karl Marx. I, I, I actually have, I, I’m not a Marxist I democratic socialism. I can agree with, I’m not gonna, I’m not going to be down personally. I’m not going to be like Karl Marx was, was right. [00:58:36] Cause no, he wasn’t. Um, he is theoretical every bit, as much as Adam Smith was. And, and so I don’t know, I feel like that we don’t have your capitalism. And so it’s it’s, but we don’t have, you know pure any of these systems. I think that there’s. But when you, when you mentioned yourself and you’re saying democratic socialism, I’m just pointing out that that has a lot more in common with capitalism than it does with communism.[00:59:00] [00:59:00] Brett: I I know, [00:59:02] Christina: I’m just saying. [00:59:03] Brett: I know I’m too tired to make a good argument. [00:59:09] Um, uh, so there’s this, uh, listener survey that in addition to sharing your thoughts with us on discord and leaving more iTunes reviews, we haven’t gotten a fund review since July. So get to it people, I think you can leave more than one, two. So come back. [00:59:09] Let’s Wrap It Up [00:59:26] Brett: Do do it again. Anyway, um, uh, backbeat media, who we work with for all of our sponsorships has a reader survey. Uh, that will help them and us, uh, make a better podcast and get better sponsors and, and serve you. If you take the survey, you get entered for a $50 Amazon gift card, but I really, I want you to do it because you love us, uh, and let the money be secondary. [00:59:56] So there will be a link in the show notes. I would read it out [01:00:00] loud, but it’s a survey monkey T V B H V L three, that you’re not going to remember. So check the show notes, click the link, take five minutes. Tell us about yourself and what you like or don’t like about the podcast. And, uh, we will compile all of your feedback. [01:00:17] If, if you leave clever comments and I have access to them, I will absolutely read your shit on the air. Um, so if you don’t want that, it started out with just between you and me. Um, but yeah. [01:00:33] Christina: you like don’t read. [01:00:34] Brett: That link will be in the show notes. Please take it. Please help us out. Um, like, and subscribe and click the notification. [01:00:43] Oh, wait. That’s YouTube. I watch too many YouTube [01:00:46] Christina: but I know I was going to say like in subscribe, I, and what was sad is that I was like, oh yeah, no, that makes sense. No, follow us on apple podcasts or Spotify or wherever the hell you get your podcasts. And, uh, are we even on Spotify? [01:00:58] Brett: Yes. Yes we are. [01:01:00] I did it myself. I got us on Spotify, a goddess on I heart radio. And I don’t remember. I went, I, I went through like 20 different submission processes and God overtired everywhere. In fact, if you go to overtired pod.com and load up any episode, there’s like a, a follow link on the page that will take you to hold on. [01:01:27] Where is it? Oh, uh, at the bottom it says Spotify RSS, and then there’s some more button and we’re on apple podcast, Google podcast, Spotify, Android, Pandora, I heart radio blueberry, uh, tune in Deezer. And, and then anywhere that takes an RSS feed. [01:01:46] Christina: Nice. Very nice. [01:01:48] Brett: Yeah. I worked hard [01:01:49] Christina: subscribe to us on on, I’m proud of you. Yeah. because I remember this was years ago, but I had to submit something to Spotify and It was like not, yeah. I love those things. [01:01:57] Brett: took a while [01:01:58] Christina: yeah. I was going to say it was kind of a pain in the [01:02:00] ass, so [01:02:00] Brett: Pandora. It was even harder. Pandora took weeks to figure out. I don’t know if anyone actually listens to podcasts on Pandora, but. [01:02:10] Christina: Um, just as, as we’re, as we’re, um, ending the show, just, this was kind of a, for negative for not an episode, but. [01:02:15] I think it worked, um, I just saw this on my Twitter. Uh, speaking of like bizarre things, prince Philip will be will, will remain sealed for 90 years. [01:02:29] Brett: What is that? Like, why, what are they getting? Oh, cause they’re the cryogenics, right? They’re going to bring back to [01:02:36] Christina: Oh no, no. I misread that. See, that’s what I thought. I read it as him being like his casket, you know, it’s his will, [01:02:41] Brett: Oh, okay. That that’s way less creepy. [01:02:45] Christina: it is. Um, but, uh, so now we have no idea how much money he had or how much he left you, uh, to his, uh, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, um, palling around, um, youngest son. [01:02:57] Brett: I’m just going to say it. I don’t care.[01:03:00] [01:03:00] Christina: I mean, I don’t either, but, but this just came up in my Twitter. So. [01:03:05] Brett: All right. We’ve got some current events in you. People happy now. [01:03:09] Christina: I mean maybe, I don’t know. [01:03:10] Brett: All right. Well, so from the bottom of my heart, get some sleep, Christina. [01:03:16] Christina: Get some sleep, Brett.

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Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 253 [00:00:00] Brett: Hey everybody. This is take two of your favorite podcasts over tired. Um, I, I want to, again, this is the second time in as many weeks that I’ve, uh, hit the record button and then done the countdown and then stop the recording instead of starting the recording. I’m Brett Turkstra, uh, the, the, the perpetual fuck up. I’m here with Christina Warren and our special guests. Once again, Aaron Dawson. Uh, how are you ladies doing once again? [00:00:37] Erin: I’m awesome. [00:00:39] Christina: Nice call back. Nice call back. Yeah, I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. I’ve been up. I’ve been up for like an hour and a half, so I’m like rubbed up also. We already recorded 15 minutes of this, so I’m like warmed up and ready. [00:00:52] Brett: Yeah, It’s I find it so depressing. To like have to repeat good conversation. Like it was good. [00:01:00] We, we were doing great. And you guys were like on the ball actually recording your parts of it. I’m S I’m sorry. I apologize. I apologize to our listeners for the great conversation you had to miss. [00:01:13] Christina: I mean, look, that’s what happens. This is. This is honestly, this is why maybe what we should do at some point, Brett and Erin would be great if you wanted to join us for one of these, we should like record, but we could also do like a Twitter spaces thing, which is like, you know, a femoral. And although I think they are going to be adding a record feature and then that way, you know, you just get to hear the behind the scenes thing. [00:01:36] Brett: don’t know what that is. [00:01:39] Christina: like clubhouse, which okay. You don’t, you also don’t know about. Okay. So it’s. [00:01:44] Brett: Cause I’m old. [00:01:46] Christina: No, because you don’t care about this stuff because you’re not, um, like interminably online. Like I am, um, you like have other interests other than anyway. Um, it’s basically, you know, like the modern version of like the [00:02:00] party line where, you know, you have like a group of people who can all talk, but you can, um, at least with Twitter spaces, you can like. [00:02:06] You can do this with clubhouse too, but Twitter spaces is, um, a little bit more refined, even though they kind of copied the clubhouse product, or you could like set people who are the moderators or the speakers, um, you know, the only people who can talk and then you can have people who like, just listen in, but it’s like an ephemeral thing. [00:02:22] So like, I could just start a chat and just start talking to random people and then just like end it whenever [00:02:27] Brett: We could do. [00:02:29] Christina: it kept kinda be cool. It was like a behind the scenes thing. Like people wanted to listen to us like while we were cool. The live beds. I mean, we would still record on our own to do our podcasts, but we could be like, [00:02:39] Brett: Yeah. [00:02:40] Christina: is, this is the live thing. [00:02:41] That’d be kind of cool. [00:02:42] Erin: Sorry. I don’t, I don’t know if he said this, Christina, but is this sort of similar to Twitch where you’re, you’re looking at, you know, someone presumably using like a webcam or something and would that be weird for both of you? Because from what I understand, you, you never like [00:03:00] recorded and overtired like through video. [00:03:03] Christina: right, exactly. However, this is audio only. So, [00:03:08] Erin: man. I wanted to see that. [00:03:09] Brett: I’m into video. We can do video. [00:03:11] Christina: we could do video. We could actually, [00:03:13] Brett: fucking gorgeous. Just kidding. [00:03:18] Christina: And so modest too. Yeah, no, fuck it. We could do videos some point. Absolutely. But yeah, you’re right. We we’ve never done that sort of thing before, but yeah. We’ve spent all this money on our home, our respective AB setups. We could totally do that. [00:03:29] Brett: Oh, man. Yeah. Thanks to work. I have a, I have a hell of a good home AAV set up that I’ve yet to use. [00:03:38] Anyway, quick mental health corner since we already did this once, but I, I had just had a quadruple espresso, took my stimulants, trying to combat what is now a week long depression and it’s, it’s not working. [00:03:38] Mental Health Corner [00:03:53] Brett: And it, it baffles me. Once I’m depressed. How little like stimulant, [00:04:00] if I’m manic, stimulants only make it worse or better depending how, you know, how you like manic episodes. Um, but so they have like a stronger effect on me, but once I hit the depression, it’s like, they don’t do anything at all. It’s so weird. [00:04:15] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Well, yeah. Cause I mean like, yeah. And, uh, and, and Aaron, we don’t have to get into all of these things again, but, um, But your, your, uh, your, how your mental health is your own. [00:04:32] Erin: Mental health is that I’m okay. Got a book, uh, suggested by my therapist. And this book is using a lot of language that is like pretty crunchy and, and, and like, woo, woo. And I’m feeling not so great about that, but I think that the message of the book is like strong enough that like, I can, I can work through all the, of all the peanut butter and, and the, like the M and M’s and the [00:05:00] cashews, and like get to the heart of, you know, [00:05:03] Brett: Was that a reference to trail man? [00:05:06] Erin: Well, it was, yeah. [00:05:09] What’s that trying to riff on granola? What else is synchronizing [00:05:13] Christina: like, yeah, I’m just [00:05:13] Erin: chocolate chips? I [00:05:14] Brett: Real real hippies would never have m&ms in their granola. They would have, uh, they would have, um, dark chocolate pieces, probably bittersweet. [00:05:27] Christina: Well, like Kara. [00:05:28] Brett: Oh, right. Kara, the, the rich man’s chocolate. [00:05:34] Christina: Right. [00:05:36] Erin: Is it a Corpus thing? [00:05:37] Brett: Good old raisins and peanuts. [00:05:41] Erin: Yeah. [00:05:42] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:44] Erin: cool. [00:05:45] Brett: You should we talk, but should we talk derisively about hippies again? Or should we skip that part? [00:05:50] Christina: No, I think we should skip that because you guys have a hard out. So, so, uh, we, we, we, we can see, we can skip our, our derisive hippie talk and get into, um, [00:05:59] Brett: big [00:06:00] news, [00:06:00] Christina: the big news music. [00:06:02] Teen Concert from 2005 [00:06:02] Brett: The old people’s concerts. Tell us all [00:06:05] Christina: The teens concert from 2005. Yeah, no. So, um, as I mentioned last week, I went to Los Angeles and I got to see like 14 on the Slater. Um, the hella mega tour, which was a Weezer fallout boy and, um, green day at Dodger stadium and it was sold out and it was like, you know, I don’t know, 45,000 people or something. It was great to be like at that, I went to the Guster concert at red rocks, but that’s Guster and I love Guster, but you know, that’s like college rock and those guys were just that really so excited to be like playing red rocks, like for their first time as like, this is like the main act like that. That was really like reaffirming. [00:06:47] Cause I, I love them, but this was like, you know, like a rock show, right? Like, um, And it was really good. It was, it was, it was a great show. Um, shockingly [00:07:00] you know, the fact that like they, cause they ended just a little after 11. Um, and, and I think that that Weezer went on around six 30, the, the tear down time, like between the sets was incredibly efficient. [00:07:14] Like they have that shit down. Which was really good. And they started on time, which also, I was kind of like surprised about, like, we didn’t see the opening act because who fucking cares. I don’t even know who it was, but, um, we got there right as well. We got into our seats, um, right. As Weezer was starting actually our original seats. [00:07:31] Cause we had four seats because Catherine bought them so fucking long ago. Um, when we were supposed to see this in, in July of 2020, um, Our section no longer existed. Like that’s where like the sound setup was. And so, uh, they had to move us to a better section. So we were like actually even closer and had even better seats. [00:07:55] Um, you know, like, so it was, it was good. [00:08:00] [00:08:00] Brett: I’ve only ever been to one concert that had more than maybe. 200 people at it. I, when, when a pit bull killed my cat, uh, the person who owned the pit bull felt so bad. They gave me free tickets to a Metallica kid, rock concert, [00:08:18] Christina: Oh, yeah. I remember that to [00:08:20] Brett: rock. [00:08:21] Erin: Yeah. [00:08:21] Christina: course. [00:08:22] Brett: But I went to see Metallica was impressed with how much pre-Black album stuff they played. [00:08:28] But it was it. I did not like the stadium. I I’m just not used to stadium shows. [00:08:34] Christina: That’s whore. Cause I think that that was in 2000. [00:08:39] Brett: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. [00:08:41] Christina: Okay. So that tour, I had tickets to that because I was 16 and then fucking, um, uh, James got fucking pulled over for a DUI cause he’s an asshole. And so Metallica had to cancel their show in Atlanta, like a really big [00:09:00] show because fucking James, you know, got like a DUI. [00:09:02] And then by the time like they rescheduled, I was so mad at them over the Napster shit that I was like, fuck Metallica, fuck you with it. So I never went to that [00:09:11] Brett: Well, wait, was it James or Lars that got pulled over? [00:09:15] Christina: It was James. [00:09:16] Brett: Huh? [00:09:17] Erin: This is pretty rehab. James [00:09:18] Christina: It’s just pre rehab. James. This is like one of the reasons like, well, no, he didn’t even go to rehab for a couple more years because now I’m thinking of some kind of monster, the, the, um, the documentary, um, which was good. Um, [00:09:29] Brett: it was pretty. [00:09:30] Christina: That was actually a really good documentary. I have to say like that and like not ready to make nice or whatever the hell the Dixie chicks documentary was. [00:09:37] Like, there are a number of them that are good, but like some kind of monster that’s a good ass documentary. They just fucking hate each other so much. I love that shit. Um, [00:09:46] Brett: of waylaid the conversation where we’re really headed towards a pop punk conversation. [00:09:49] Christina: Yes. Yes. So, so when we were saying this before, um, uh, just, just so we can kinda set the thing. So you’re more into, and I’ve, I kind of agree with you, um, uh, Aaron, like you like, like this, like [00:10:00] these are the bands who we would call, like, and I don’t even think you can call Weezer pop punk. I mean, I think that they’re just like [00:10:06] an alternative rock band. [00:10:07] Right. But, but they, you know, they’ve had some hits and they’ve been remarkable. Like able to reinvent themselves over the years, which is interesting for such a nerdy band. Um, but like ballboy and green day, certainly like those are like top tier, like, you know, like bands. Whereas I think like you prefer it. [00:10:25] And I, I, I I’m like this too. We probably like, like the smaller, like the, like the beer, the seat here a little bit more, um, [00:10:33] Brett: What does seat here? Name a seat here, band. [00:10:38] Erin: sure. Um, mineral, uh, what else? Like, uh, jets over Brazil, um, more recently, like hit the lights. [00:10:51] Christina: Yeah. [00:10:52] Erin: Um, stuff like that, like had had a strong fan base though. It was like really, really [00:11:00] small. Um, yeah. Yeah. I agree with the Weezer thing as being like an Alltrack band, their most recent record, actually. Oh, okay. So not van Weezer. [00:11:11] The one before that bill is super sentimental, hardly any guitars on it, like chamber pop record, really, really strong. Like their strongest in years. [00:11:22] Christina: Yeah, I would agree with that. [00:11:24] Erin: yeah. And I think where we were leaving off, like I was bringing up this idea that like Weezer does, there’s this kind of conspiratorial idea that Weezer maybe around like maladroit or something like that. [00:11:39] The, the record after green album started. The conspiracies that, that rivers kind of ceased, caring and trying and, and to invigorate. Uh, his interest in being, and being a sort of front man for this international rock band, um, like [00:12:00] sort of made this bow Val to himself that Weezer is, will now be a sort of like performance art band, but like a secret performance art band, right? [00:12:08] Like making weird choices that seem, that seem quirky, but are in fact him pushing to see how. How out of the sort of mill you of alt rock pop punk, uh, he can get with without BA you know, sort of like betrayed, uh industry-wise, which is why you see, you know, an album called Hurley, because he liked Hurley from loss and seeing a dog on the cover of what is that record called a Ratatouille. [00:12:43] Christina: Yeah. [00:12:43] Erin: And just writing these like rock rock by numbers, songs that, that are set sometimes catchy and hooky and sweet and sugary, but, but most often are just like so, [00:13:00] so boring. And that seems to have waned in the past couple years, especially with that album that I, that I mentioned, but I really, really liked this year. [00:13:09] Christina: I like that theory too. And I actually agree with that. And um, for whatever reason, this is like one of the weirdest things, because I think I might’ve interviewed him once, but I don’t even know how this happened. And I’m sure that he doesn’t like interact. It’s not like he ever sees my tweets or anything, but he’s followed me on Twitter for like 10 years, which is. Bizarre, right? Like, that’s like, well, no, but it’s just a weird, like I think he and Ashton Kutcher, like my weirdest Twitter follows, like, [00:13:38] Erin: No, I could see Ashton kosher because he’s, he’s, he’s sort of transformed Animorphs style into like a kind tech bro, like a tech bro, but [00:13:48] Christina: Except I’ve been like critical of [00:13:49] Erin: cares? [00:13:50] Christina: I’ve been like I, but yeah, but I’ve been like critical. Yeah. [00:13:54] Erin: Hm. [00:13:54] Christina: Uh, so I don’t even know, but he is, he’s like a contact bro. And I like him and Mila and that’s fine, but it is [00:14:00] one of those weird things. Like, cause neither like he doesn’t follow that many people. I don’t know why clearly when he joined or whatever the case was, he just made the decision. [00:14:08] I was like, okay, cool. And then, you know, just didn’t unfollow, which is fine. Like I don’t, I don’t think like they actually like care or anything, but, but rivers is one of those weird ones, but I like that theory a lot. Cause I do think as he’s a really. You know, he’s a really smart guy and like, you could even see, like, he’s a great performer. [00:14:25] That’s one thing I’ll give him, like, whether this is like all a performance art thing or not like the band puts their all into it. And they were clearly having a great time to be back in front of people again. But I really do like that idea of, of them like. Of him, like, you know, amusing himself almost by, by creating different types of work, which, which I think totally that fits with with a lot of their stuff. [00:14:50] Um, yeah. [00:14:53] Erin: Well, I saw your Instagram stories and they looked really solid and I really appreciated that. Like the [00:15:00] sun was still up always or most play. [00:15:01] Christina: Yeah. They were the first one. That was the funny thing. Right? So, so they, this was what. [00:15:06] Erin: No. [00:15:06] Christina: so, so it was, so it was three, so it was three acts. And so they started on time cause they, they ended a little after 11. Um, I don’t know if there were like, you know, it was, they were, which if it had been one act, right, like it would have been one of those things. [00:15:19] Like they wouldn’t come on until after the sun went down. Um, but you know, these are not like six 30. And, um, so, so the sun was up for their whole set and they were just like having a great time. So it was sort of like, cause I’ve seen them live a bunch. I haven’t seen them probably in 15 years, but I’ve seen them live like a bunch of times, usually at festivals, I think once at like an amphitheater, um, or like a standalone concert or two, but, but usually it’s been at like festivals, so I’ve seen them play certainly like, you know, in, in the summer before, but you’re right. [00:15:47] It was like, they were just like having a blast followup way. Their set started. Um, a little bit, it was still light out and then like got dark, you know, as they were, as they were doing it. And then green day being the biggest band [00:16:00] was that was the closer obviously. So sun was down when they went up, but, um, [00:16:05] Brett: day, bigger than Weezer. [00:16:07] Christina: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Green day, like internationally and 70, most people I would say were probably there for. Like there were so many, I mean, the place was packed. It was packed the whole time. But I would say that, you know, green day was probably like people who were wearing, you know, the rock band shirts to the rock band, to the rock concert, which is w it was just what you see when you see a show at Dodger stadium. [00:16:33] Um, there was a lot of, there was a lot of green day stuff, [00:16:37] Brett: I bought a shirt at Turner. and. I have to change my clothes every time I go to target, because I’m like deathly afraid of showing up at target, wearing a target shirt. [00:16:46] Christina: Yeah. Understood. Understood. Yeah, you totally have to. Um, but yeah, so, so yeah, green day is, is massive and, and, uh, what, all, what I appreciate about all three bands. Yeah. Is that they didn’t [00:17:00] play much new stuff. Like, it was mostly like the hits, like there were in, cause some of them would put out like, like, uh, like Weezer even said, it’s like, okay, we’re gonna play one more new song. [00:17:07] But like they didn’t play a ton of new stuff, which, and the new stuff was, was fine, but it wasn’t one of those things. Cause sometimes you go to these shows and like, they really just want to shut the new shit down your throat and. Would this tour, they clearly knew who their audience was and what they were doing. [00:17:23] And it didn’t feel like a, like a, um, I guess what’s like a heritage walk show. Like it didn’t have that vibe. And the audience, I would say was most of the people in their thirties. Um, but, and although you did see some young kids there, which, you know, made me realize as like green day is playing certain songs and like, they were not alive when, you know, like for a lot of that stuff. [00:17:44] And, and, and which is always like an awkward thing to realize, but, um, Yeah. Uh, they, they, they, they weren’t, they weren’t doing that shit where like, you know, they refuse to play the hits. Like they played for all three bands, like played all the hits, which was really, really [00:18:00] good. And, and I appreciate it because if you’re spending that much money and you’re going to a show like at that sort of location, like, you want to see the hits, like, if you’re at like a smaller club than you, or whatever, where the fans are, like, maybe you want to see some deep cuts or some new stuff or whatever, but if you’re a Dodger fucking stadium, like I need you to play buddy. [00:18:17] Huh? And the sweater song, and my name is Jonas. You know what I mean? [00:18:21] Erin: Yeah, especially that, that, that last one that’s, that’s not unreasonable. I think green day is as close as I get to like my flavor of punk being political. And, and even as like a political agents, I don’t know what kind of like material change green day has brought to. Two people. I, I’m not sure, but like punk music that has anything to do with what a lot of folks would say, punk is about like pugs and attitude. [00:18:55] Punk is about the dissolution of hierarchy. Punk is about the [00:19:00] dismantling of power structures, whatever. Like doesn’t interest me at all. Politically I’m interested, but musically, I’m not interested at all. Like I like punk that. Awful. If it’s signifiers stripped until it’s a barely recognizable husk. And the only, [00:19:17] Brett: Okay. [00:19:17] Erin: the only thing that’s left is like a reliance on a, on a BPM that’s I don’t know, greater than a heartbeat and like four chords, like, is it and like pizza and, and like being, being, uh, you know, bummed that the girl like doesn’t like you back also doesn’t hurt. [00:19:37] But like the political stuff I’m like, uh, [00:19:40] Christina: yeah. Yeah. I mean it varies. I mean, I think green day probably of them probably gets like the most intuitive and like, um, you know, American idiot was at least for a mainstream rock album. Right. Uh, a fairly political record, especially one that, that sold as many copies as it sold. [00:19:53] Like they’re not, you know, and, and, and he’s had, you know, but like, I mean, then I would hardly call that political and [00:20:00] like an actual punk record sense, but, but that was. That was definitely a mainstream political rock record to put out in 2004 or whatever. Um, I don’t know. I love, I just, I love like a good, I fucking love pop music. [00:20:14] So a good like pop punk, just like a melody, like you say, like four chords and just like, uh, like a memorable, like Diddy. Like I love that shit. And, and that’s one of the reasons why I like follow boy is so great because they’ve just amazing lyrics, but really good hook. [00:20:30] Erin: It’s so weird that Pete Wentz writes the lyrics. Like it’s, sometimes those layers are like quite profound. Um, especially on like, like, I don’t know, what was the record? Like infinity on high was kind of like this and like the first record where they’re like, kind of trying to sound like, say what you are. [00:20:47] And like this saves the day stuff like this lyrics are like quite good. Sometimes I’m like very literary. Um, [00:20:54] Christina: very, very literally like, like, and, and, and that’s the thing. That’s what I always like, uh, appreciate about them. Um, [00:21:00] so my friend who I went with, she’s like a massive followup boy fan, and I didn’t know this about her. And like, if you know her personality, this is actually kind of surprising. [00:21:09] And I’m like, I didn’t realize how into pop punk. She wasn’t actually on the way back actually. So after we went to the class, We went to, um, her parents’ house, um, and, uh, Santa Ynez, which is, um, in, um, Santa Barbara county and, um, like very beautiful, but kind of, you know, um, remote, like there’s a lot of wineries and stuff or satellite. [00:21:32] Yeah. Uh, not a lot of cell service. Um, a lot of rich people’s houses, um, and, um, like farms and cows and stuff grazing and it’s, um, it’s, it’s beautiful, but it’s like a two and a half hour drive or whatever from downtown LA. And we were listening to, um, an emo night, um, DJ mix the whole time. And I don’t know if either of you have ever gone to any of the emo night, um, show.[00:22:00] [00:22:00] Brett: Hm. [00:22:02] Erin: familiar with them. They even have a restaurant in LA and it’s that’s ridiculous. [00:22:07] Christina: So, so it, at least, at least in Brooklyn, like there was always once a month, it was always like an emo night party, usually at Brooklyn bowl. And, and like, you have, like, you would just have like really good DJs who were like doing really, really good mashups and mixes of pop pumps, pop punk songs. And so she had some of those mixes and, and we were just like having a blast, like listening to that stuff. [00:22:25] Cause it, it, it, you know, um, um, Interpolated like a bunch of, of the different bands and would also kind of mix in some other types of stuff too. Like the, the, the mix was really good. I’m going to need to find it off of Spotify, but it was really fun, but it was funny for me because Catherine is just, um, I, for whatever reason, I just never like took her as being like a huge pop punk fan, but she is, and I am, and I have been like my whole life, but she’s a massive followup within, but she got into them like, When they were on hiatus, which is so weird. [00:22:57] Um, but she’s a really big fan of Patrick and would go to a lot [00:23:00] of his, um, solo shows and at smaller venues. But yeah, but Pete rice, the lyrics, but mostly lyrics and he’s very good. Like. He also looked really good. I have to say like his, his hair, he had like a bun thing going on. Um, it looked good, like his, his clothes, which are always interesting. [00:23:23] Like I enjoyed whatever street style sort of thing he was doing. Um, it was good. [00:23:28] Brett: I have to interrupt. I have a segue. I do have a segue. So one hallmark of actual punk rock is this anti-capitalist sentiment. And speaking of capitalism, um, and, and sell out bands like green day, fuck up pinnacle of Amar, a core tenant of American capitalism is debt. And speaking of debt consolidation, did I do that? [00:23:55] That was a bit of a walk. That was a bit of [00:23:57] Erin: You landed [00:23:57] Christina: it’s a bit of luck. No, but I think, I think it almost works like [00:24:00] when we’re talking about like the things that they rail against, one of them is, you know, the debt society that we’re in. Right. 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[00:25:49] Brett: Something about a man bun that looked good. [00:25:52] Christina: Oh, yeah, no, he looked good. I was just, no, all I was basically getting out was, was that Pete looked taught. Um, and, and actually what I [00:26:00] was texting people was that I will still fuck Pete Wentz. So, um, that, that, that is, that is our update on that. I [00:26:06] Erin: My whole thing. My whole thing with you, Christina, and, and listening to you speak about men is that I love it. And, you know, last time I was on, we were talking about, you know, bachelor in paradise. We were talking about the sort of bachelor nation at large. And you, you know, you mentioned Connor, the cat man. [00:26:28] And now, you know, it’s Pete Wentz and I, you know, I, I, I am a queer woman, you know, CIS dudes, not necessarily my thing presumably says whatever, um, between Pete and Connor, like, I, I, I, I just feel like I love being on the outside of this. Like, what is it about. Because these are very different men, you know? [00:26:53] And I think you, you have used the fuck word to describe, you know, a sort of desire about both of them. [00:27:00] And I, I think, you know, if, if we’re ever going to start a podcast, you know, it’s, it’s, you may be describing, you know, the sort of thing. Dynamism and breadth of, of this kind of attraction, because these are two different, very different people. [00:27:18] Right. So, but they ha they must have something in common for you to be like, oh, what’s up? Um, so like, what is that about Pete Wentz? [00:27:26] Christina: Well, I think he’s like conventionally attractive. Like his face is conventionally attractive. Um, which helps, um, I mean, that’s why he was like the one, even though he’s not the lead singer, right? Like he like was the face of kind of the band. So I think commissional, he was he’s conventionally attractive, but I don’t know. [00:27:43] I mean, again, like he can write and he just seems like a fun kind of. Like he has a good personality. That’s the thing I’ll say with like Connor, the cat total Himba don’t care. It’s just like, he has a good body and it would be like, I wouldn’t like want a relationship with Connor, but like, [00:28:00] yeah. [00:28:01] Erin: Um, yeah. [00:28:04] Christina: Like Connor’s like, yeah. Would fuck. But like, Uh, Pete Wentz and like, oh no, he’s still got it. He there’s a charisma angle to him. For sure. Like, he’s, he’s definitely got a charisma play. And, and it’s interesting because Billy Joe Armstrong who a has not aged, like he’s 50 and he looks amazing, like whatever his skin care regimen is, whatever. [00:28:22] Like, I mean, it helps these Diana’s hair black as always, but also helps that he still has his hair because, you know, um, that’s the thing that that age has been the most, unless they just, you know, decide to just go all in and like shave it. And then they. You know, uh, offset that a little bit. Um, he like his face, like doesn’t have like the weird, like wrinkle, like he doesn’t have like the look of like some guy who’s been literally in a band since like 1985, like. [00:28:49] Erin: takes care of himself. [00:28:50] Christina: clearly he does, but, but like, because you know, they had like, um, you know, cameras and stuff and like, we were, we were too far back to like see up close on the stage, but, you know, they had like the [00:29:00] jumbo-tron sort of things. And so they’re doing closeups of his face and stuff. And like, I’m looking at them, I’m trying to figure out I’m like, okay, has he had injectables? [00:29:07] Does he have Botox? Cause he doesn’t have like the Botox, like sheen, you know, like it doesn’t look plastic-y, it looks good, but I’m not seeing any wrinkles. Like I was genuinely like sometimes like take it. Of the thing a little bit, like trying to figure out, okay, what work has he had done? Because it’s really good. [00:29:23] And I want, I want his surgeon because I I’m like against aging at all costs, so, so, um, [00:29:30] Brett: so this is, this is fascinating and I do want to get back to it, but the segue is too perfect. Right now. [00:29:36] Christina: yep. Read it, do it. [00:29:37] Sponsor: SimpliSafe [00:29:37] Brett: Speaking of cameras, this is going to make a lot of sense in a second. Speaking of cameras, there’s big news in home security, simply safe, just launched their new wireless outdoor security camera. [00:29:50] That’s right. Simply safe. The system that us news and world report names, best home security system of 2021 just got even better. This brand [00:30:00] new outdoor security camera is engineered with all the advanced tech and security features you want and need to help keep you and your family safe. It has an ultra wide 140 degree field of view. [00:30:12] Uh, so you can keep watch over your entire yard. It has 10 80 P. 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And your first month of monitoring service for free when you enroll in active monitoring, uh, again, that simply safe.com/overtired. [00:31:26] And now back to Christina with the, uh, description of what makes a guy, uh, what was the word? [00:31:35] Is Billy Joe Armstrong Fuckable? [00:31:35] Christina: Yeah. So this is what I was going to say this, so here’s the interesting thing. So like Billy Joe Armstrong looks great and he’s a great front man. Um, and he’s, he’s an attractive guy, but like, I’ve never been like, oh, I, I want to like. Get with him, you know what I mean? Like if for whatever reason he doesn’t have that appeal. [00:31:53] So I don’t know. We’ll have to explore that more and another sort of thing. Uh, Aaron, [00:31:58] Brett: What’s the, what’s the [00:32:00] French word for that special something. Jeanette say quasi. Is that, is that what I’m [00:32:04] Erin: I think, I think the recipe in terms of Pete once goes for the Genesee. Quiet is, is this is someone who looks like. You know, they’re pretty serious about their bench, press numbers, someone who, you know, they, they have their AirPods in, and they’re either listening to an audio book or mysterious guy hardcore, and someone who looks like they smell good. [00:32:31] He looks like he smells good. [00:32:33] Christina: Yes he does. Yes. I think, I think you nailed it. Whereas I think Billy Joe probably doesn’t always smell good. [00:32:39] Erin: Well, yeah, no, no. And that’s the sort of like legitimacy, um, that he carries with him as an actual crust punk who is, which is who he is at his core. [00:32:54] Brett: So I got to say my tastes definitely lean more towards like Matt [00:33:00] Bonner from, uh, from white collar. [00:33:03] Christina: Oh yeah. [00:33:04] Brett: He, he is like that to me, that’s like it. If I were going to pick a guy, which I’m not opposed to in any way, um, Matt, Bonner’s kind of, that’s my guy, [00:33:17] Christina: No. I mean, Matt Bonner is, is super, super hot. Um, I, unfortunately I’m not his type, which is okay. I’m like, [00:33:23] Brett: I, am his type. [00:33:24] Christina: you are his type. Well now. [00:33:26] Brett: as genitalia goes, [00:33:27] Christina: Yeah, but, but like his husband like looks a lot like him, um, which is super hot too. Yeah. But no, I, I, yeah, I know. I like that. I like that. Look for sure. But yeah. Um, Nova Pete, Pete’s just like pizza, cute guy. [00:33:42] Uh, but he, and he still has it. Right. Um, and Patrick who’s shy C uh, Catherine is a massive Patrick fan and she was like, he was really feeling himself. I was like, okay. [00:33:55] Erin: cute. [00:33:56] Christina: Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, it was, it was really [00:34:00] fun to like be at one of those shows again, but it was, it was weird. Cause we, we talked about this, like, you know, a lot of times like, like the last concert, well, I went to Guster, but like the last show I went to before COVID was dashboard confessional at, um, at Webster hall, which, and I love, uh, Chris Krav, speaking of people who, okay. [00:34:16] His current hair really bothers me, but he’s still so cute to me. And again, it looks like he smells good. Um, And, and I love his lyrics and I love the whole emo ness of the whole thing. But like, even though it was Webster hall, you know, and it was packed or whatnot, like it was a standing show, you know, w it, it was one of those sorts of venues and whatnot where this, this, this, it felt like I was like back in high school, like at the warp tour, [00:34:40] Erin: Absolutely. I was really into his first band. Further seems [00:34:45] Christina: forever. Yes. [00:34:47] Erin: Yeah, super into them. And then I think I remember going to Kmart, uh, what I was, what, when I was a kid and, uh, uh, the places you’ve come to fear the most [00:35:00] and, uh, full collapsed by Thursday, like came out around the same time and I like picked both of those up spending. [00:35:06] Yeah. I dunno, probably 30 bucks CDs are so expensive and I listened to those records so much. There were CDs. Uh, so yeah, love, love, dashboard. Love that. Record everything. After that, I don’t know. I guess I’m going to pull that card. Love the early stuff. Right? [00:35:22] Christina: Well, and the early stuff is, is the best, but, but, um, and then he kind of took a break for a while. So like the weird thing with them is like, you know, They were S like further, seems to have, are kind of how to add an audience, but it was smaller. Like, I was really, really into saves the day. And like, we used to tour, we used to like, follow them around and like, We were, we were kind of groupies. [00:35:42] And then like, there was a whole thing in high school where like Kat and Melissa got in a fight with her girlfriends on the message boards. And then we couldn’t go to the shows anymore. And I was like, cause, cause we would sometimes make out with them or whatever. And it was like, you don’t interact like with the girlfriends on the message boards, like were not the girlfriend.[00:36:00] [00:36:00] That that’s not what this is. Kat and Melissa fucking ruined it and then made it like very awkward, like to go see them again. But like, we used to like go throughout the Southeast and like go to shows. Um, but then, you know, like dashboard, like, you know, blew up, like there was like an MTV two special. And then there was like an actual, like MTV unplugged thing and like, [00:36:18] Erin: Yes. [00:36:19] Christina: which, which was amazing. [00:36:20] And, and that was just like being at the shows, which everybody sings along. Like that’s the key to a dashboard show was like, literally everybody sings on, you can’t even hear him. Sometimes it’s one of those things. But then when, um, um, uh, uh, mark emission and the scar came out, which was like the major label, uh, uh, debut in, and like, he did like the rock version of hands down, like put them into like a different thing. [00:36:43] And I liked the Indies. Better. I like the other stuff too. Don’t get me wrong. And I still went to, to see, you know, his shows and I say them, but it’s really him. It’s, it’s always, [00:36:53] Erin: Yeah. [00:36:54] Christina: almost entirely been him. Um, but, um, And then there was [00:37:00] like, there were like two out two records after like the big one. And like, like, like it was on the, they were on the Spiderman, two soundtrack, like, you know, like blew up and then like kind of disappeared for a while. [00:37:09] But the interesting thing is when I, I saw, so I’ve, I’ve seen my friend, Liz who is, is younger than me, but awesome. A massive fan, but it’s interesting. So even though she’s, um, uh, quite a bit younger than me, like. Both love the band so much. And we also have similar tastes in music in general. Um, we saw them like in, I guess, 2017 and, um, add, uh, it was downtown. [00:37:35] I don’t, I don’t remember the, the, the club in New York now. Um, but then there was like a, an acoustic show. Right after, like in Brooklyn, like we had to go to, um, to a rough trade in Brooklyn, um, at midnight and see an acoustic show, which was amazing. Cause it was probably like a hundred people, you know, all kind of crammed into the stage area at rough trade, which is a record shop. [00:37:57] And, and, and it was just him on [00:38:00] an acoustic guitar and it was amazing. One of the best shows I’ve seen and we were really close, but, uh, the tour we went on, I th that I saw before, COVID like literally the day before. Um, he did the entire record of, um, um, uh, our commission and a scar and the places you’ve come to fear the most, like, so one night it was, it was, it was places you’ve come to for the most. [00:38:21] Then the next night it was a mark mission, um, and a scar. And, uh, that was just like amazing. [00:38:30] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. That’s that sounds incredible. I saw them. Yeah. I think 2017 too. And it was his, he was going through this phase where it was, he was wearing like big like sets and hats. And he used this, like this grassbeds sort of Southern fried thing. Um, and they had gone electric and it, yeah, it wasn’t the same as that sort of intimacy that you’re describing. [00:38:55] Christina: Yeah, that was what was cool about like, kind of doing the anniversary kind of things. Cause I think, I don’t remember [00:39:00] what anniversary. I think it was the 20 year anniversary of the Swiss army romance came out in 2000. Um, and, and I love that record. Um, and, um, uh, but, but, uh, mark emission of a bit, uh, but, um, places you’ve come to fear the most was obviously like bigger. [00:39:15] Um, but yeah, it was, it was cause yeah, cause you wouldn’t do it like weird sets and things. And like I said, I don’t like what he’s doing with his hair, but, um, playing those old records, like just like front to back. Really cool. Also the get up kids who I fucking love opened both nights. So, and, and, and, and they were like, clearly, like so happy to be there. [00:39:36] And, and also like mostly played stuff off of like, um, um, the, the, the red letter days, album and stuff. So that was good. [00:39:44] Brett: I’m going to need so many links from you guys. Cause I don’t know who any of these people are. No, who any of these bands are. If you want any of this in the show notes, you’re going to have to provide me links. just saying [00:39:56] Erin: like Thursday. [00:39:57] Brett: if we, if we want to talk about like Fu [00:40:00] Gazi and minor threat, I [00:40:02] Christina: Well, yeah, because there’s like, which are, which are great bands. Like, don’t get me wrong, but like I’m, I’m, I’m like an emo like basic bitch. [00:40:09] Brett: right. I’m not making any judgements at [00:40:11] Christina: Oh, I know. I know. I know. [00:40:12] Brett: I don’t know what’s happening anymore. This has really gotten away from me. [00:40:19] Emo Pop Punk is definitely a thing [00:40:19] Christina: uh, what’s your all-time favorite. Yeah. [00:40:22] Erin: Yeah. In terms of bands in terms [00:40:24] Christina: Yeah. Like, like, like, like, uh, like the emo pop punk Friday, like what’s your all-time favorite? [00:40:29] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I don’t know if this counts, but you know, Thursday it’s it was so huge, so huge for me. Um, and that’s, and that’s for that sort of like screamo [00:40:40] Christina: Okay. [00:40:41] Erin: punk stuff. Like I’m, I’m like that sound like a metal head at heart and went to school. For music and composition and stuff. But when it comes to this, this kind of thing, Thursday and a huge say anything when it came to like the saves the day, say anything fork in the road. [00:40:57] I always went max Bemis route, but [00:40:59] Christina: [00:41:00] I mean, say anything is real boy is, is, uh, is, I mean, I have that on vinyl actually. Um, Yeah. Say anything is a great band, but yeah, I, I, I, I, I respect that choice. I was on the save the day side of that, but I, I think you were probably pick the right thing. [00:41:15] Erin: Right on, [00:41:18] Brett: Wow. [00:41:20] Christina: I loved [00:41:21] Erin: sorry. [00:41:21] Brett: I thought for a [00:41:22] Christina: I was going to say [00:41:23] Brett: we were done, but no, [00:41:24] Christina: we’re almost done. I was just going to say real quickly. I was just gonna say real quickly. Unfortunately, Jesse Lacey has done so much problematic shit that I even hate saying this, but brand new. Oh my God. Holy shit. Brand new. [00:41:37] Erin: have to put out a bad record. Even the last one was [00:41:40] Christina: Even the last one was great. [00:41:42] And that was what was so disappointing than all the, like the creepy shit came. I was like, God dammit, Jesse, can you just fucking keep it in your pants? But when a brand new is like one of those where again, like great lyrics, [00:41:54] Erin: Oh yeah. [00:41:55] Christina: like just stunning and like cleverly, right? [00:41:59] Erin: Yeah. [00:42:00] The sort of like literary aspect. Of what makes you know, pop punk and email is, is, uh, is a real, uh, attractor for you. I totally get it. I feel the same way. [00:42:11] Christina: Yeah, yeah. 100%. And, um, uh, yeah, I, I, uh, and then, uh, obviously like, um, MCR, you know, like iconic, um, like. Uh, that that’s my chemical romance spread. Um, but it, and then they like brought a whole new thing to it. Right. They brought all the orchestra, like shit, like just, yeah. [00:42:35] Erin: It feels like gen Z even like [00:42:39] Christina: Oh, they love MCR. Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:42:41] Erin: Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s like, because it’s theatrical, it like translates well [00:42:48] Christina: think it’s that? I think, I think it’s good music. It’s also interesting. I have a feeling, some of the stuff, like at least some of the songs might still be played like on certain radio things. Maybe they were exposed to it earlier and they have like memories of it. I don’t know. Cause [00:43:00] like, uh, uh, blink 180 2 other than green day is probably one of like the biggest like American rock bands of the last, like [00:43:13] Erin: love blank. I love angels and airwaves. [00:43:16] Christina: Uh, me too. I, I love, I love to plus 44. Um, [00:43:20] Erin: yes. I guess. Fuck. [00:43:22] Christina: 44. That was a fucking great record. That was an amazing record. [00:43:25] Erin: 44 is the greatest blink 180 2, like off shoot record. Like Travis has done a bunch of stuff. Obviously Tom has, has done a ton of stuff. Love angels, loving angels in their waves, but plus 44. So solid. Just the one record. [00:43:43] Christina: one record and it was just, it was just mark and Travis and, um, another person. And that was just that’s. That’s just, I still sometimes find that on my playlist. And I’m like, yes. [00:43:54] Erin: Yeah, [00:43:54] Christina: Also like best thoughts to, to mark. Right. [00:43:58] Erin: I know. I [00:44:00] know I’ve been watching his YouTube channel and he seems to be doing good, but yeah. [00:44:04] Christina: he’s got a great attitude, but I mean, it’s so shitty. So, um, uh, mark Hoppus has stage four cancer and, um, is, uh, he’s I think he’s done with chemo now, but like, you know, I just had a, a friend recently, um, uh, pass away. I was wearing his shirt at a, at the concert, um, you know, kind of an honor of him because his nickname was rockstar and he’s a huge, like, Um, fan. [00:44:26] And so it just felt appropriate, but, um, you know, anybody can fight it, obviously mark is doing it, but it’s, it’s, it’s rough. I have another friend who has lymphoma and, and like, it’s it’s, um, um, actually it’s kind of really remarkable that he’s being so public about everything he’s doing, you know, like his journey, like a lot of people wouldn’t put all that out there and, um, I’m, I’m glad that he is. [00:44:50] Cause I think that’ll probably. Like help inform people in the very least, you know, remind people that not that this would have, I think helped him at all or anything, but, you know, like [00:45:00] go to the doctor, you know, like get checked for stuff. Like some of this, sometimes they can catch things. So, but yeah, I, I want also, if it’s like, um, he had, um, he had mark, um, um, or not mark, mark had Tom on his podcast. [00:45:17] Erin: Oh, [00:45:19] Christina: Yeah, this was like, uh, this was like, like two months ago, it was really good. And they hadn’t talked since, you know, uh, Tom left, blink, you know, like six, six years ago or whatever. And, um, but no, they, they had a great conversation about stuff. And you can tell me that this is, it was like, you know, two guys who’ve been friends, their whole lives have clearly had differences, but you know, like, you know, are two of the people who very few people I think could probably understand what, what they’ve gone through other than those two, you know what I mean? [00:45:49] Cause they were together from like the very beginning. [00:45:53] Erin: God would not be sorry. This is the last thing. Wouldn’t that be so good. If the, if blink had like one last record with the [00:46:00] original lineup and I don’t, I’m not even talking about Travis, I’m talking about the, the like first and superior drummer. [00:46:06] Christina: you mean you got the guy that had to kick out for alcoholism. [00:46:09] Erin: yes. Um, yeah, right. Whatever my girl can [00:46:14] Christina: I mean, I don’t think that’ll ever happen because I think at this point, Travis is like such a key part of the band. Also like the guy survived a plane crash and that was the only reason the band got back together. [00:46:26] Erin: Yeah. [00:46:27] Christina: this, right? [00:46:29] Erin: Oh God. Yeah. And that has a lot of narrative weight to it. Um, but Scott, yeah, the first drummer was so good, but. Yeah, [00:46:37] Christina: was good. [00:46:40] Brett: Next time. [00:46:41] Erin: good. In a way that wasn’t as technical. Sorry, go ahead, [00:46:43] Brett: next time we’re talking about like AOS, rotten and code 13 and the subhumans, and then I can actually participate. It’ll be, it’ll be fun for me and no one else. [00:46:56] Erin: I’m not going to say I’ve been trying not to say, sorry as much. [00:47:00] So I’m going to [00:47:00] Brett: Yeah, don’t [00:47:01] Erin: um, so I will say [00:47:02] Brett: this is you’re making great. [00:47:03] radio here. I I, I [00:47:05] Christina: Brett. [00:47:06] Brett: I can’t participate. [00:47:07] Christina: I’m going to say, you’re the one who wanted us to talk [00:47:09] Brett: I did. I did. Absolutely. I am. I am 100% behind this conversation. I’m glad it’s happening. Don’t let me, don’t let me rain on your parade. This is, this is of more interest to more listeners than any band I’ve ever listened to. [00:47:27] Christina: in more mainstream stuff. And I don’t know, like, this is probably because you like metal and you like, like the screen. Most of, I don’t think this is, is, is for you. Um, Aaron and this probably isn’t for you, Brett, but, um, sad home music season is about to start because, uh, Kacey, Musgraves divorce album is out on, on Friday and I’m very, very happy. [00:47:46] Erin: Kacey Musgraves. Yeah, I’ll check it [00:47:48] Christina: her, her now ex-husband Rustin Kelly. Amazing. And he has an album called dirt emo where he does, he does covers of, um, uh, some like he does a dashboard [00:48:00] confessional cover. Does a saves the day cover. Um, uh, uh, there is a, there’s an MCR cover like he is, um, uh, oh, he does a blink cover. Um, there’s a, um, um, uh, we discovered. [00:48:13] Fucking great album. [00:48:14] Erin: the dirt referred [00:48:15] Christina: ’cause he he’s like a, he’s a country artist, but he’s not like typical country. He’s like all country. Right? Like that’s what he would have been called two decades ago. And so he like, but he’s bought like kind of a dirt, like acoustic kind of grit aesthetic to those songs. It’s an amazing record. [00:48:30] It’s called dirt. Emo volume. Yeah. It’s seriously, really good. All of his work though is stellar. Also. He covers the best Taylor swift song of all time, all too well on it because he considers that an emo song and he’s correct. And, um, so, uh, I highly recommend that album to anybody who is. Is into that kind of thing. [00:48:50] And it also segues nicely because, uh, you know, um, his last album that came out like right, as they announced their divorce, it’s sort of sad because some parts of it [00:49:00] like are very clearly were written, like when he was still married and kind of in love. And then parts of it are kind of tinge with sadness. [00:49:05] But, um, but, but, uh, I’m here for Casey’s um, you know, Sanho fall, like divorce record. [00:49:12] Something other than Pop Punk, maybe? [00:49:12] Brett: I bet you guys could talk about like Connor Oakhurst. And bright eyes and Elliot Smith that I could get into. [00:49:19] Christina: Okay, well, have you listened to Phoebe Bridgers? Um, Brett. [00:49:23] Brett: never heard it [00:49:24] Christina: Her. Okay. She’s great. Phoebe Bridgers. You have to listen to her. [00:49:28] Brett: think you may have mentioned her before. [00:49:30] Christina: I did. And I’m going to say it again because I was for whatever reason, like going, I I’ve, I’ve been listening to her for years, but I was listening to her intently on my plane ride, like to LA and [00:49:42] Brett: spell that last name? [00:49:43] Christina: B R I D G E R S. [00:49:47] Erin: What’s what’s the most recent one. Kyoto. I thought it was okay. [00:49:51] Christina: Um, [00:49:51] Erin: in the Alps though. Oh my [00:49:52] Christina: oh my story’s Gallup’s fucking amazing. And, and then she’s, she did, she’s did like a side project with Connor and then she has like, um, um, [00:50:00] like a, uh, like a all girl group, like boy genius and yeah, she’s incredibly talented. [00:50:07] Erin: What’s everyone. Okay. Last thing. What’s everyone’s favorite Elliot Smith record. [00:50:11] Brett: Uh, the one with the eight on it. [00:50:14] Christina: Oh, figure eight. That was the, um, yeah. So mine is, is, uh, probably, uh, probably needle in the hay or between the bars, I guess, [00:50:23] Brett: that be sure that was the best. Oh my God. You’re right. [00:50:27] Christina: Yeah. Between the [00:50:28] Brett: Between the bars. is the song that got me into Elliot Smith. It was actually a cover of that song by, um, S Madeline Perot that, that turned me on to Elliot Smith. And like from then on, I was an Elliot Smith fan. [00:50:45] Christina: Yeah. So for me it was Goodwill hunting because they use his music [00:50:50] Brett: and, I didn’t, I didn’t pay attention to it at that point. Like I didn’t, I liked it. I just, it wasn’t enough for me to like, look it up. [00:50:58] Christina: and I was wrong. It’s not between the bars. That’s [00:51:00] what the song was on, but it’s a, it’s either. [00:51:02] Brett: Yeah, yeah, [00:51:03] Erin: I know what you meant. [00:51:04] Christina: Yeah, I just for, for, for, for, for, for the listeners for completion thing. Um, yeah, I, um, I, um, there a 25th anniversary edition of, um, his, uh, his first like, uh, kind of, um, like, uh, uh, Elliot Smith album, the one with needle in the hay came out last year and I got it on vinyl and [00:51:24] Erin: kill rockstars. Reissue. [00:51:26] Christina: Yeah. I, so I was like, so I got the vinyl, um, uh, um, a copy and it also came with like, Um, like a recording of like one of his very first like concerts, like doing that stuff. Um, that, uh, that I got from band camp, I think, because of that or got from their website, I don’t remember now got from the Cole rockstars thing, but there was some live stuff there that was really good. [00:51:49] Um, but yeah, Elliot Smith, man. [00:51:53] Brett: I’m so sorry to cut this short, but I have to go. [00:51:55] Christina: I know you guys have to go. Yeah. [00:51:57] Brett: I don’t know, Erin, are you off now? [00:52:00] [00:52:01] Erin: no, I was off yesterday. Um, we have a stand in two [00:52:04] Christina: Yep. All right. So, so that, that, that, that ends our weird music stuff, but we’ll talk more about this stuff. Another point we can have, we can have like, just like sad, like all indie rock thing. I’m seeing, I’m seeing death cab for cutie on Monday. So [00:52:16] Erin: Hey, jelly. [00:52:19] Brett: great episode ladies. [00:52:21] Christina: thank you, Brett. [00:52:23] Brett: Get some sleep. [00:52:24] Christina: sleep. [00:52:25] Erin: Slate.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 252 [00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren here as always with Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you? [00:00:11] Brett: I’m I’m swell. I’m swell, Christina, how are you? [00:00:15] Christina: I’m fine. I’m fine. Uh, you’re swell. Is that like a sarcastic swell? Is that like a, um, a genuine swell? Is that like a [00:00:22] Brett: So, so swell. Swell means means, okay. It means like, I guess what most people would say, okay, well, most people just say, I’m good if you ask them how they’re doing, but I’ve never, I’ve never been down with that. Like if you asked me how I’m doing, I’m either going to be awesome. Which means like, I’m good. I use hyperbole when answering this question, uh, if I’m just okay. [00:00:48] And you know, I’m, I’m, I’m swell and if I’m bad, I will fucking tell you about it. [00:00:55] Christina: I really appreciate your honesty in answering that question because I often. [00:01:00] Am not like I, you know, people are like, how are you? And I’m usually like, I’m good. I’m fine. Even if I’m like hit by a car, like, you know, bleeding, like whatever I’m going to be like, I’m fine. I’m a wasp. Like, this is what we do. [00:01:13] Like, that’s like the probably waspy his thing about me is, is the, uh, you know, like need to say that you’re fine. Even when you’re not. [00:01:22] Brett: Yeah, I will tell you, like, if you’re in a zoom meeting and the host says, how are you guys doing today? If your answer is so awesome, it changes the mood of the meeting. [00:01:34] Christina: Huh? [00:01:35] Brett: Just try that next time. Someone searched a meeting off like that, just go off mute and be like, I am so awesome. And don’t answer any up life hacks. [00:01:47] Mental Health Corner [00:01:47] Christina: I like it. I like it. Uh, okay. So that’s actually a good segue into Brett’s mental health corner. Any updates? [00:01:54] Brett: Um, so what day was it? Yeah. It was a little manic, right? Last [00:02:00] time we, last time we were recorded. Yeah. Yeah. I had not slept. So that lasted all of one day. Um, and I’ve been, I haven’t been depressed yet. Um, I guess, I guess I have this impending feel this feeling of impending doom. Like it’s gonna get depression. [00:02:21] Uh, it’s gonna get depression, uh, that like that the depression is coming. Um, which is. [00:02:28] Christina: the loop, the looming, like on violence of like, yes, it’s coming. [00:02:32] Brett: It’s going to be shitty because work right now is super stressful. And they, like, I have a project that I’ve been working on pretty much since I started and I had finished it. And when I presented it, they were like, this looks great, except let’s do everything different. And like completely pulled the rug out from under me, move the goalposts down the field. [00:02:57] So now I’m scrambling. I’m like, oh my God, I’m [00:03:00] going to need, this is I need two weeks. And they’re like, can you do it in a few days? And I’m like, I will try. And then yesterday, my boss is like, Hey, so how about tomorrow? And, and I, so I’ve been working on it all day today, nonstop. I think, I think I did it. I think I did it. [00:03:21] I think I did two weeks worth of work in two days and I deserve a raise. But if it’s not good enough and I hit a depression and am not able to focus like this, I’m going to be fucked. [00:03:38] Christina: Yeah. I mean, I think at that point, like you told them, you know, I need the time, um, before that you delivered something and then they changed the deliverables on you and you had to go back and. Skirt it make step up. I mean, look, it’ll get done or it won’t, I’ve become very, uh, Nisha about this sort of thing. [00:03:59] Brett: [00:04:00] You know, what’s nice though, is if this were a freelance job, there would be all this like renegotiation and everything. And like, I, I would be concerned about how over budget we’re going, but when you have a day job and your salary, you’re already getting paid for this, like you just kind of have to roll with it, but it’s not like it’s not a whole renegotiation thing. [00:04:21] Christina: No, exactly. It it’s just one of those, like, again, like I said, it’s like, you’re either going to be able to it’s either going to be ready or it’s not like, it’s a very simple thing. [00:04:33] Brett: shitty though, is that so much I’m on the dev REL team and I’m a tech writer and my team has been tasked with originally 150 pieces of new content for the year. And that was just bumped to one 70 because somehow quantity is going to matter more than quality and a good portion of that [00:05:00] content can’t be published. [00:05:02] Like I’m my project is to develop the pipeline and the platform for publishing that content. So until my project is done, we’re not making any progress on what, uh, KPIs, which I’m told are key progress indicators. [00:05:19] Christina: right. Or performance indicators? Yes. [00:05:21] Brett: Yeah that, yeah. Key performance indicators. Like this is all I have to ask every meeting I have to ask. [00:05:27] What does that mean? Um, but like, we can get any KPIs marked off until I finished my project. So it’s not a, it’s not a, a good one for you. If it gets done, it gets done. It’s like everyone is depending [00:05:42] Christina: Well, no, you need to get it done, but it is also one of those things. If it’s not going to be done tomorrow or if it’s going to be in tomorrow, but you’re still going to need a couple of days back and forth on it. Like you can’t, I mean, there are only so many hours in the day, right? Like sometimes you have really hard deadlines. [00:05:59] Like [00:06:00] this is, you know, like we have an event and it is taking place tomorrow at this time. Or like, like your, uh, the, the F1, um, launch, right? Like we’ve already announced this, this has to be live on the page, but sometimes, I mean, like, this is something that. You have something that’s ready to go. You have the pipeline there, there will. [00:06:21] More than likely be changes even after things [00:06:24] Brett: Oh, for sure. For sure. Like, we’re going to have MVP minimum viable product, uh, to get this out the door, it’s going to be iterated for a long time. Uh, like my biggest obstacle right now is making it iterative, like planning. So it can scale as I could. I can make a Jekyll site to run my own shit, no problem, but to make a Jekyll site that can have contributed like a hundred different contributors and be able to flex with all the structural changes that’ll happen. [00:06:57] That takes a lot more planning. [00:06:59] Christina: Yeah, no, it [00:07:00] does. I mean, I, I only know insofar as like, I know that like our, our doc site. Is, you know, basically it’s kind of run by, by GitHub and markdown and, and anybody can file an issue, you know, if they see something with the doc and they can make a, uh, you know, they, they can either, uh, you know, file like an issue, if there’s a problem or they can file a PR if they want to make a correction or whatever. [00:07:20] But I mean, and I don’t even know a ton about our infrastructure, but I know that it’s, you know, like complex in [00:07:27] Brett: that. I do that with the documentation for bunch. Like the bunch code is a private repo. That’s just for me. Um, but the documentation I made into a public repository and when people find something confusing or want to add something, they just make pull requests and it’s super handy to open source, that kind of stuff. [00:07:48] Christina: Yeah, totally, totally. I mean, and that’s, that’s something that, um, um, like the docs team has done, but I know that it even, it took them. I mean, I’ve been there for four years and so I joined a little bit after they’d already kind [00:08:00] of started. They’re overhaul of everything, but I know that, you know, they’re, they’re still iterating things and they have, you know, plugins and tools and stuff. [00:08:08] And, um, when we add new things to the platform like Microsoft learn, which, you know, are like these video component, like lessons like that sort of thing, like that had to have a whole new template, um, and, and had a whole new thing in terms of how you submit stuff to it. And yeah, there, there can be lots of stuff, but I have comp I have faith. [00:08:26] It that you are gonna have done what you need done and, you [00:08:31] Brett: what I’m debating though is. Okay. So when I, when I went through the onboarding, one of the questions in one of the many forms I filled out was, do you have a disability? And it listed examples of disabilities and it included bipolar. And it also said that disabilities are protected and they want her to know about them because they actually legally have to have so many people would just so, so I, I went ahead, said I have a disability and I’m [00:09:00] debating if, if depression kicks in and I’m unable to complete a high pressure task, I might just go, I’m like, just talk to my manager and see if, uh, if he understands that bipolar is going to get in my way. [00:09:18] Christina: Yeah. I mean, I think that it’s, I think the hard thing with you is that it’s unpredictable, so you don’t know when it’s going to hit, but I do feel like if it is like, if you feel like you’re in the place where I’m not going to meet this deadline because of this. Yeah. I think you need to have a [00:09:33] Brett: Like, I don’t wanna, I don’t want it to be seen as like I’m making excuses and I have this like card I can play anytime I want to. I’m just like, [00:09:41] Christina: No, no, no. And I [00:09:42] Brett: them to know it’s valid. [00:09:44] Christina: No, and I don’t think anybody will see it that way. I think that it’s just one of those things where you have to be like, okay, if you know, um, Okay. And, and I, and I think it’s one of the things you don’t want to preemptively say. I think it’s one of those things where in the [00:10:00] event that let’s say that you were like, we have to have this thing done. [00:10:04] Um, and, and you, for some reason felt like you weren’t able to do it, then you need to just communicate why, so that they can make alternative arrangements, like your bus factor I’m sure. Is the bus factor, meaning like how likely is this to like completely die if bread is hit by a bus tomorrow? [00:10:22] Brett: Oh, I like that. [00:10:23] Christina: um, like, you know, it be, uh, frustrating and annoying and bad? [00:10:29] Yeah. But like, ideally none of us should, should be like that high of a bus factor where like everything stops, you know what I mean? [00:10:39] Brett: Yeah, no, I’ve always gone out of my way to make sure that. If I disappear just for whatever reason, I liked the idea of a bus bus factor. I like that terminology, but I’ve always gone out of my way to make sure everything I do is documented. Someone else has their finger on the pulse of what I’m doing. [00:10:56] And I can disappear anytime. I want to, like, that’s a sense of [00:11:00] freedom for me. [00:11:01] Christina: It is, it is. I mean, some people, and I will admit, like for myself, this was a hard thing to kind of come to terms with, but like we’re all replaceable and there is something freeing. I think when you like, realize that it’s like, no life will go on. If I’m not here, the work will be done. It might not be as good. [00:11:16] It might be different, but the work will get done. It’s just a matter of making sure that it’s documented and that you’re communicating properly where I’ve made mistakes before is I haven’t communicated well, I wasn’t going to be ready for something and, and that’s not a good thing. So I think communicate when, you know, I’m not going to hit this. [00:11:34] Um, I like, I wouldn’t do like a preemptive heads up because that might set expectations that can’t be relied on and that’s not accurate. Uh, but you know, being able to be preemptive and be, but like being able to say, like, if you know what’s happening and it’s coming, it’s like, Hey, I’m going to need help on this. [00:11:52] And that’s the thing too, right? Like, this is the nice thing about the fact that you work for a company now and you work on a team is you’re not an island. [00:12:00] Like you were an island for so long. You had to rely on yourself and you didn’t have anybody else to be able to count on. Um, even if you are working on your own projects, you’re not the only person. [00:12:11] So there’s, there’s freedom in that too. And knowing, Hey, like it isn’t all on me. [00:12:17] Brett: Oh, my God. I don’t think I told you who the new person that got hired to my team is [00:12:22] Christina: No, you didn’t. [00:12:25] Brett: I want you to guess it’s someone from our past. [00:12:29] Christina: Um, is it Victor? [00:12:31] Brett: is That was really good. [00:12:34] Christina: Okay. So the reason I knew is because you told me that Victor had introduced you to the guy who got you on the job. So that was why I was thinking that, oh my God, that’s awesome. I know he’s been like, he’s been doing his own thing for a while now [00:12:48] Brett: Well, and he got into, he was working with a startup and, and as startups are want to do, they screwed him. And then he suddenly regretted not taking the job that he got me, uh, [00:13:00] or like that he got me in the door for. And, uh, he came back and, and our manager was super excited. Like he loves Victor so much. Um, [00:13:10] Christina: great. I mean, this is awesome. I’m really, I’m so happy about this. Cause I know like, yeah, like this is really good and this can be really good for Victor. [00:13:19] Brett: yes, we were. We’re going to be a big ha it’ll be me, Aaron and Victor will be the writers. And, maybe we’ll we should have Victor on the podcast [00:13:28] Christina: Oh my God. Victory would be great to have on the podcast. [00:13:31] Brett: Next next week. We’ll see how it goes. Um, but yeah, uh, Victor on and I’m excited because Victor is someone that I trust with like, uh, editing it, like in the same voice that the rest of us are using. [00:13:46] So it like, he’s perfectly capable. Aaron and I have like documented and worked on like a style guide basically. [00:13:54] Christina: yes. Yeah, because you need to have like a consistent voice. [00:13:56] Brett: Victor, as a former editor in chief and a good [00:14:00] writer, uh, he’s going to fit right into that. [00:14:03] Christina: yeah, no, he’s going to be great. And, um, that’s so awesome. So for listeners out there who don’t know Brett and I’s background, [00:14:12] Brett: Oh, we probably should have. [00:14:13] Christina: Yeah. So, so yeah, so, so I’m just, uh, putting this there. So, okay. So 14 years ago in 2007, uh, Brett and I both started writing and for a blog that used to exist called the unofficial apple weblog or T way w and that was honestly the beginning of my career. [00:14:33] And, um, so much of, uh, well, I guess the real beginning was, was I had a gig with USA today, um, uh, that spring, but that was the beginning of my tech writing career. And, um, you joined a couple of months after me, but not that long after. And Victor was our boss at T UAW and a download squad. Uh, he was the site producer for both of those sites. [00:14:54] And we wrote, we, both of us were at both of those sites. Um, and then Brett ended up going on to work at [00:15:00] the dev team at AOL. Um, and, and I wound up going to Mashable, but, um, but Victor was our boss and is just a really great guy. And. Um, so this is, this is that’s awesome. I’m really excited about this. [00:15:16] Brett: Victor is, uh, has, has, um, varied, very varied interests. And, uh, a lot of it is like, he’s just, he’s into magic. He’s into puppets [00:15:30] Christina: He’s into puppets. He’s into stand up comedy like, like Victor is [00:15:34] Brett: standup, but he’s also dark. And that’s what I really appreciate [00:15:37] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. He’s dark. He’s funny. He’s eclectic. That was the really great thing about those old house yawn, like blogging days, um, which don’t exist anymore. Uh, really for lots of reasons, uh, which it is what it is. I mean, I think it’s probably largely a good thing. [00:15:53] A history of blogging [00:15:53] Christina: I look back on that time and I was able to do the very rare thing, which [00:16:00] was turn at $10, a post blogging gig into. A full-time six figure salary. Um, as a, as a journalist, uh, most people didn’t do that, but, um, uh, it was one of these, it was this great period of time where you had people who were good writers, they weren’t necessarily professionals, but they were passionate about what they were doing. [00:16:20] And because the old media hadn’t caught up with what was happening with digital yet you had opportunity for a really big audience of people who were interested in what you did. And so I feel like the talent that we had at TCW and it downloads squad and at the other, um, weblogs zinc sites, like we had a really nice, like mix of just eclectic, interesting people who were really passionate about what they were writing about, which is not the case always. [00:16:51] Um, with, with professional journalists, like some people are really passionate about their beat. Some people. This is a job, you know, like [00:17:00] I was assigned to cover this and I’m a writer first and I’m going to figure this out. [00:17:04] Brett: yeah, like this w I too, always my first, uh, like professional blogging gig and I did not re so weblogs was built on this idea that you pay a little for like quick content. And so basically if you wrote a post for two or download squad, you got paid 10 bucks, which is shit. [00:17:29] And I didn’t know it at the time time until I wrote for like, uh, like life hacker and that they pay 10 times as much for even a short post. Oh, I didn’t realize how bad that pay was until I, until I moved on. [00:17:48] Christina: Yeah. Yeah, no. And that was a time when you could, it was actually kind of amazing in some cases to get paid at all because everyone was doing blogs, but it was one of those things where it was like, unless you were working for an establishment place, [00:18:00] people were just trying to make it work. So like a lot of people were starting their own blogs, like Mashable, where I worked for seven years, like Pete started it, he was in, he was 19, he was in his parents’ bedroom in Aberdeen, Scotland. [00:18:12] And he was just like, I’m really into this web 2.0 shit. So I’m just going to start a blog and then it, you know, turned into a business. Um, and, and he’s a millionaire now, which good for him. Um, I am trying not to be salty. Um, but, uh, but he built it into a real business, even though it didn’t quite end the way, uh, you know, we would have wanted it still around, still doing its thing and, uh, But the weblogs model because AOL bought it a couple of months before we joined. [00:18:43] And, and so that was kind of like, there was like this big war between like weblogs Inc and Gawker because the Gawker sites, although they did have some salaried employees, a lot of it was also paper post. And, um, you know, you were, you were just getting out [00:19:00] there, you were just like creating, you’re just trying to like, get your name out there. [00:19:03] You’re just trying to kind of like hustle and, and do it. And yeah, like you said, the money was nothing. Um, I always treated it cause it for you, it wasn’t like your main gig for me was, and I didn’t make enough to pay anything on that. Like I, you know what I mean? Like I was still like [00:19:20] Brett: How many posts could you possibly like? There’s no way you could write enough posts in a month to pay rent on 10 bucks at posts. [00:19:26] Christina: Absolutely not. And I would get an additional fee for doing some of the video stuff and like features you would get a little bit more, but no, I mean, I think at like max, I was probably able to get in. Yeah. 800 bucks a month or something, which you know, and that was like, if I working across three sites and that’s on like working my ass off, right. [00:19:43] Like I’m not making shit. Um, I was young enough and I even F that I looked at it and I was like, look, I’m a really good writer. I don’t have the pedigree in terms of like, I haven’t, I don’t have a graduate degree in journalism. I don’t go to [00:20:00] Columbia or NYU. I’m not going to be able to get a job at Conde Nast, even though I’m better than their writers. [00:20:08] Right. Like I knew that I was like, I’m not getting an internship at a magazine and I’m not getting an internship at a newspaper that will pay anything. So I have to build this brand myself. And then the hope was, at least for me, the hope was I was like, if I can do well at this. Then someone else will be able to pick me up and pay me. [00:20:27] And I was really lucky because first what happened was that AMC, the movie chain signed me on a contract where they paid me $1,500 a month for, for blogging, um, certain number of stories a day. And I would do it in the morning and it was really easy work. Um, almost no original reporting. And then Mashable hired me, um, in, uh, August of 2009. [00:20:50] And, and their, their starting salary was like $48,000 a year, which at that time in my life, like imagine going from like not making $800 a month to [00:21:00] suddenly like, you know, actually having enough money for it, for rent and stuff. It was, it was life changing. Um, but I got really lucky because in retrospect, like I look back and I’m like, God, how, how was I so naive that I just assumed, okay. [00:21:14] If I just do this for a couple of years, enough people are going to like me, I’m going to be called up to the big leagues. I mean, [00:21:20] Brett: Yeah, that’s what I was going to say was you were talking about like, being passionate about your beat and for the short period where I wrote for life hacker, I, I was, I just kept getting handed stories that I did not give a shit about. And, and I would write my, you know, 200 to 700 words, whatever it called for. [00:21:42] And I would just be bullshitting just like to fill word count because I don’t care. I just, I just was trying not to, you know, those posts that you actually express an opinion in, and then you get like just vicious reader feedback. [00:22:00] Um, I was trying to avoid that because it was one of the largest platforms I had blogged on. [00:22:07] Christina: Yeah. And, and the, the life hacker commenters were certainly nicer than on the other sites, but that community, like, I remember when I first started at gizmo. Which was, you know, a couple of weeks before Gawker formally ended. And so already the commentary is, were angry and freaking out and taking it out on the people whose fault it definitely was not right. [00:22:29] It’s like the commenters are all worried about where they’re going to go. And we’re like, look, we don’t know who’s going to buy us. We just hope we’re still employed. Right. But so you had like a, um, in, in some of the sites, all the sites have their own communities of readers. Um, it’s less now because the, the company that bought all those properties from Univision has just done such a piss, poor job of everything and, and morale there isn’t an all time low, but you know, you have like this community of commenters and they feel like a certain ownership of things. [00:22:59] And some of them [00:23:00] are mean, some of them are like really mean life hacker tends to be nice. The Jalopnik people tended to be nice. [00:23:07] Brett: Um, [00:23:08] Christina: The Gizmodo people could be brutal. And, and so when I first joined, they were like, you don’t have to sign up, you don’t have to respond to comments, whatever. I was like, dude, put me in coach, I’m here for it. [00:23:18] Right. I was like, so ganged up. Cause like I love, I love a fight. Um, but uh, also it, fortunately for me, very rarely, I mean, I would get the typical like, like shut up cunt stuff, but like, it was actually more, it was less common than you would think. Like I felt bad because some of the other writers got it so much worse than me. [00:23:40] And like I was newer and I’m like, okay, they’re being nice to me. I guess. I remember there was one time though. I did like, this was actually really funny because it sort of went viral, but my, my reply sort of went viral on another platform. So. I was in a car. Um, I was late to work and so I didn’t take the [00:24:00] subway. [00:24:00] I took like an Uber and I, um, had written like this exhausted comparison review of a bunch of different laptops and I made a video for it. And I had said basically that the, the Dell wound up caning coming out, like better than, than the Mac book at the time, in terms of like all around. Like if you don’t want to not go west, like in terms of, uh, features, price, battery, life, whatever, like it came up better. [00:24:26] And it surprised me. And some commentary was like, you know, all you are as reviewer. You don’t know anything about repair support costs or any of this or that. And, and so I just kind of. Jotted off an email. And I was like, actually, I was a support tech in college and I’ve been certified to work on apple things and I’ve done actual PC repair and whatnot, and just like kind of listed things off. [00:24:49] And it was just, you know, like I didn’t, I wasn’t even that mean, it was just kind of like one of those things. And somehow like my response to this guy trying to mansplain me and tell me, I didn’t know how to do my job. Like someone, [00:25:00] um, screenshot I did and put it on Twitter and then like it became popular and it was so funny. [00:25:04] Cause I remember getting. Like slacks from people who didn’t even work on editorial, like from product people, like from women in product who were like, thank you so much for saying that this is so awesome to be able to stand up to this. And the commentary is just like ate him alive. And that was actually, that’s one of my favorite memories of the comments of that era was just then like eating him alive. [00:25:25] And then he tried to come back and like backtrack it and be like, oh no, I wasn’t saying. And they all like just came after him for that. And then he was like, I’m sorry, Christina was having a bad day. [00:25:34] Brett: Yeah. [00:25:35] Christina: very funny. Which, which, you know, that’s, it’s nice when that happens, but it’s also funny. It’s nice to be in a world where like, you don’t have to deal with that. [00:25:44] Like, I mean, I do on YouTube comments sometimes, but, but in general, most people are very nice in, uh, in corporate Def Rahel versus vicious commenters on the internet. [00:25:55] Brett: I, uh, I, I, uh, called the commenter a Dick once in a [00:26:00] response and then immediately I apologize for it. [00:26:04] Christina: Yeah. [00:26:04] Brett: their response was, yeah, no, I’m sorry. I was having a bad day. So now. Anytime I read a mean email or a mean comment. I just go ahead and like give myself that response in advance. I just assume they’re having a bad day, [00:26:19] Christina: Yeah. [00:26:20] Brett: especially with customer support, because that’s totally different. [00:26:23] Like you have to be polite with customer support. [00:26:25] Christina: do, you do like, like it’s one of those things where it’s just it’s uh, yeah. Um, you can’t, um, yeah. Uh, you have to be like above it and it sucks. Although, like, it gets to the point where obviously, if people are cursing at you or saying other things, you have the right to be like, I’m not going to talk anymore, but yeah. [00:26:44] You have to be the bigger person. [00:26:46] Brett: So I want to tell you about my customer support experience with the New York times, but I’m going to tell you about ritual protein for. [00:26:54] Christina: Yes, please do. [00:26:55] Brett: So, uh, because we have to, we have to keep the lights on people. [00:27:00] This is, [00:27:00] Christina: Yeah. [00:27:01] Brett: this is for everybody’s good. 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Go on [00:29:45] Brett: Yes, so that I don’t read it enough to justify 20 bucks a month. So I go to cancel and you have two options. You can call a phone number or you can do a live chat. You can’t [00:30:00] just click, cancel my subscription. [00:30:01] Christina: No, you [00:30:02] Brett: So I do the live chat and I get this. [00:30:05] Hi, how can I help you? Blah, blah, blah. And I said, please cancel my subscription. And I’m sorry to see you. I’m sorry to hear you want to go. Can I ask why? And, um, I wanted to respond with, just cancel my subscription, but instead I responded with just the word budget, um, cause I’m not feeling talkative. I’m pissed that I have to go through this. Uh, and they come back and they’re like, I would be honored to offer you your exact same plan for basically they got me down to like seven bucks a month and, and, and I took it cause I, [00:30:41] Christina: Absolutely cause at $7 a month, that’s worth [00:30:42] Brett: It covers the crossword puzzle too. [00:30:45] Christina: Well, that’s that? Okay. See, this is the thing, the crossword puzzle, especially if you have a partner who really likes the crossword puzzle, man, they used to sell that. I think they still do as like a subscription just on its own. [00:30:56] Brett: Yeah, they do. But it was included in the package I had. [00:31:00] So, and, and, you know, and I was willing to get a subscription to it on its own, but seven bucks a month, I can justify that. I read just enough New York times and do just enough crossword puzzles. So now it’s affordable, but it annoys me that they have a special rate for people who want to cancel [00:31:17] Christina: Oh, I agree. No. And, and, and, um, a lot of places are like this, where if you call them like cable as the same way, like if you call and cancel, like. [00:31:24] Brett: for sure. [00:31:25] Christina: They, they will give it to you, but I’ve, I’ve, I’ve run into this. Um, okay. So my, my thing with the times, and this was like five years ago, but they had a deal where they had started doing in-app purchases, I guess, on the iPhone. [00:31:40] And the deal was, cause I think I still pay the same rate. Let me see what my rate for the New York times is. Um, yeah, so I pay $120 a year for their digital, all access package, which is not as good as what you’re paying, but it’s $10 a month. And like you, you know, completely, um, like, like good. [00:32:00] And, um, I had been paying, I think I was paying like $15 a month or $18 a month or whatever. [00:32:06] And so I went through the same thing where I was like, okay, can I just switch my account over? Right. And they were like, no, you have to cancel and then sign up for a new thing. And I was like, okay. And when I was on the phone with them to cancel, they were like, well, we can give you this rate. And they were giving me like a better rate than, you know, like, uh, had been paying, but it still wasn’t as good as like the subscribing in the app rate. [00:32:29] And so I was like talking to the person. I was like, you understand that? I’m not going to agree to keep my you’d like, like the email address I have attached to this account does not matter enough from me. You know what I mean? Like, like I will just create a new user ID is not a big deal. So I wound up canceling, um, and resubscribing in the app, but the advantage of that is that five years later, if I need ever need to cancel my subscription, I can just cancel it in the yeah. [00:32:57] Brett: Yeah, totally. [00:32:58] Christina: Which is nice, but yeah, [00:33:00] but they do that and it’s frustrating. The, the magazine companies do it too. Like, I don’t think that the new Yorker would necessarily give me a discount. Again. I subscribed to the new Yorker through the app store. The frustration thing there is that that means I don’t get a tote bag, but whatever, um, which you’d be shocked, how much money the frickin new Yorker makes off of there. [00:33:18] Just off of like the [00:33:19] Brett: Are you a tote bag person? Do you [00:33:22] Christina: I’m not, [00:33:22] Brett: a tote bag? [00:33:24] Christina: I mean, sometimes I have enough of them and I probably have a new Yorker one, but, but the new Yorker is I’m not even joking. Like they’ve made shitloads of money just on people subscribing because they want the tote bag. Um, but yeah, but it’s one of those funny things where like, I think it was wired where they wound up giving me like a year for like $10 or something. [00:33:46] I have to physically get the magazine. I also get the digital stuff, but. You know, I’ll deal with that. I usually throw it away. Sorry to wired. But, uh, I don’t, I don’t deal with physical magazines, but it was like $10. I was like, [00:34:00] yeah. Okay. I’ll, I’ll deal with that. But, um, yeah, I know it’s frustrating that you have to call to do that. [00:34:07] And it’s also frustrating. They have the different things, but I guess it is one of those old lessons where like, everything is malleable. I think that the, probably the one company, and I don’t know if actually they probably still have wiggle room too. I was trying to think of like the wall street journal has a wiggle room. [00:34:22] They probably do have a wiggle room, but I doubt that it’s as much as the times, the wall street journals always been like one of the publications, I respect them in so far as they’ve always had a pay wall. And like, it’s been more and less poorest at times, but they’ve never been, but they’ve never been like, you can just go to our website and read everything. [00:34:40] Like they had a paywall on the nineties, so, um, which I respect about them, but their subscription is like $400 a year or something. [00:34:50] Brett: I recently subscribed to Jacoby. [00:34:54] Christina: yeah, [00:34:55] Brett: Uh, you know, for my socialist reading [00:34:58] Christina: was going to [00:34:58] Brett: and, uh, and [00:35:00] it’s a quarterly and the first issue I got came with a card that asked me if I wanted to pay for, like, I was like a $275 donation. And they would like, I don’t remember what the deal was. They would like give a subscription to someone, but basically you’re, you’re showing support for, for a socialist publication, but it was just funny. [00:35:22] Cause I’m used to wired magazine where they’re like, Hey, give us five bucks and we’ll send you another five years worth of magazines. [00:35:28] Christina: right, [00:35:29] Brett: And your COVID like give us $275 and we’ll give a magazine to someone else. [00:35:34] Christina: right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, yeah. Uh, Joe Kuvan or Jacobin or whatever they’re like, [00:35:39] Brett: I, I’m not sure how to say [00:35:40] Christina: Yeah. I, I, I’m not sure either, but they’re like pleased. Yes. I, I need to have, uh, money please. I give ’em. Okay. So I, um, so Deadspin, uh, rip, um, best blog ever. I mean, it still exists, but it’s scabbed spin now and fuck those people, um, genuinely, uh, who, who, um, work on it [00:36:00] now? [00:36:00] Um, they started their own site defector and I last year gave them, um, a thousand dollars, um, as they were starting up, um, to like be a subscriber. And I think that I’m coming up on like the renewal thing, and I think they’re going to renew me for a thousand dollars and I feel bad. Cause part of me I’m like, look, I’ll give you $50, a hundred dollars, whatever a year. [00:36:22] I don’t know if I want to keep giving them a thousand dollars, but at the same time I want to support like independent media. So. [00:36:32] Brett: Um, yeah. Like my brain went somewhere during all of this and it didn’t come back. Like I had a thought and I was going to continue this conversation. Oh, well, you know, don’t tell our other sponsors this, but you want to know who my favorite sponsor is. [00:36:52] Christina: a text expander. [00:36:54] Brett: my God. Yes. [00:36:56] Sponsor: TextExpander [00:36:56] Christina: I love text expander so [00:36:57] Brett: Out of all of this sponsor’s products that I use, [00:37:00] text expanders, the one I use the most often with the most pleasure. [00:37:06] Christina: Yeah. I, I use it so much for so many different things. Like it’s crazy. Um, I have, I mean, you do stuff like, okay. How much of your stuff is, is calling and executing scripts versus like doing, um, actually like, like expanding texts. I’m just curious. [00:37:23] Brett: Well, so I have probably eight or nine, 900 snippets, total, uh, which is feasible because you can now pop up an inline search to find the snippet you forgot about. But I would say a good 25% of those execute some kind of shell script. [00:37:40] Christina: Yeah, I was gonna say that’s that’s um, I don’t have that many, um, but I would say I probably have up with the same percentage, which is really nice, although even in some cases, uh it’s if it won’t execute the shell script, it’ll like output what the shell script needs to be. If I’m in a terminal situation, which is really useful. [00:37:59] And, and I [00:38:00] say that because, you know, it’s cross platform, which, uh, means you can use it, you know, on the web and on, uh, on Mac and on windows. And that’s useful because, um, although it’s great on other Macs, be able to execute like apple scripts or, or, or shell scripts or whatever, some of that can get kind of wonky. [00:38:17] If you’re on a non Mac system, whereas if I’m just outfitting, whatever the value of the, of the script is, um, so that I can put it into whatever command line I’m in, then obviously that doesn’t matter, but it’s so useful. Like I use it for, uh, for tutorials all the time. And, and like, if I’m doing, um, uh, live streaming or, uh, like, like, uh, pair programming or, um, that haven’t done this recently, but if I’m, um, doing live demos at a conference, I don’t usually have the ability. [00:38:47] Well, I mean, I guess I could memorize every single thing, but you know, you don’t want to get, like, you don’t want to get a letter wrong when you’re typing something out, live in front of like 4,000 people. And then all of a sudden, like your, your script doesn’t work. [00:39:00] So having a text, expander snippet, the folds, you exactly what you needed to do, and you just have to hit a couple of keys is the best. [00:39:07] Brett: Yeah. Um, my, one of my favorite features that they added a while ago now it’s probably been years, but they don’t, they never included in like their sponsor reads. It’s their suggested snippets, like text expanders already watching what you type. So it can detect like when you trigger a snippet and it can also tell you if you’ve typed the same thing. [00:39:32] I don’t know what its threshold is, but if it sees something three or four times, you’re typing the exact same thing, it’ll suggest you make a snippet for it. And you can go into text expander, go into suggested snippets, find that piece of text, assign an abbreviation to it. And then in the future, you never have to type it again. [00:39:51] And if you do type it. It’ll remind you, Hey, you have a snippet for that. It’s it’s beautiful because once you have [00:40:00] 800 snippets, it’s really easy to forget that you already snippets something. [00:40:05] Christina: Yeah. Yeah, I agree. That’s really nice. That’s really nice. Um, I also like the fact, um, I haven’t done this as much with the fact that like you can publish like collections of things that can then be updated. [00:40:16] Brett: Yeah. I just published one called cursed. I just published it yesterday. Actually. It’s I wrote it a while ago, but it’s a JavaScript based, uh, uh, collection of snippets on what are the snippet group, um, that you can add a snippet with whatever swear word you want as the abbreviation. And then when you type that swear word, it outputs a string of random symbols, uh, keeping like the ING or S at the end of it. [00:40:49] So if you. Uh, uh, this fucking thing is bullshit. My snippets would replace it with this blanking [00:41:00] thing is bull blank. [00:41:02] Christina: Oh, that’s nice. [00:41:03] Brett: Yeah, that’s available. Uh, I I’ll, I’ll put a link to it in the show notes, but anyone can use that. You’re welcome. [00:41:10] Christina: Yes. That’s awesome. And so, uh, so Tex expander, uh, what else do we need to say about them? Um, you can go to text expander.com. Do we have an offer code for people? [00:41:20] Brett: If you go to text expander.com/podcast, uh, overtired listeners will get 20% off their first year of texts. Expander. [00:41:30] Christina: Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, it’s one of those services that, um, and we say this like genuinely, like, and then we try to do this with most of our sponsors, but like we were longtime users before they ever sponsored us. We will be longtime users if they see sponsoring us, like, it’s one of those things that like I will pay for, for ever, because I get so much value out. [00:41:51] Brett: Yeah, it’s really nice that they sponsor us because it’s a product I love, but yeah, I’m 100% a sold [00:42:00] customer. I will, I will never not use text expander. [00:42:05] To Electron or not to Electron [00:42:05] Christina: Okay. So, so that’s an interesting segue to one of the things that’s been on our list for a couple of weeks that we haven’t talked about. Yeah. So, uh, so one password. [00:42:16] Brett: yeah. Yeah. Everyone seems pretty pissed. Uh, so for anyone not following the, uh, the uproar one password announced their latest beta is an electron only app and they’re no longer making, uh, native Mac apps. [00:42:35] Christina: Yeah. And I mean, it’s still like, you know, they’re obviously an ordinate of windows apps actually, because of the windows that had previously [00:42:42] Brett: that’s the whole point of going to electron is not having to make platform based apps. [00:42:46] Christina: Right. Well, yeah, well, uh, well, yes and no. Right? Cause they still are doing native iOS and Android apps, but, um, but they, they had previously been doing, um, native Mac app [00:42:56] Brett: they make a catalyst version [00:42:58] Christina: they could, I [00:43:00] think that what they said was that the, um, performance wasn’t as good. [00:43:06] Brett: worse than electron, [00:43:08] Christina: where they were claiming that this web UI stuff with slower than electronic. [00:43:11] So I mean, th th th this is, this is what, um, some of their engineers have said, but obviously people are mad about it because, and I look, I think electron is like, I get why it’s a joke and we can all make the jokes about it. But I feel like a lot of [00:43:27] Brett: you love vs. Code. [00:43:29] Christina: I was going to say it’s possible to make a good vs. [00:43:31] It’s possible to make a good electron app. Uh, discord is actually a very good electron app. Um, there are some of them that, uh, and discord contributes significantly to the project. Obviously, it’s going to be more of a resource hog than some other things like vs code, I think is probably the best electron app. [00:43:46] Um, it shows what you can do with it, but yeah, that’s not the same as a native, as native tool. I feel like people use electronic shorthand and like assume everything with electronic sucks. I think that’s unfair, but I also feel like [00:44:00] there are valid criticisms for it. Like I personally don’t think catalyst is any better than electronic. [00:44:05] Brett: I agree with that. Like, my problem with both catalysts and electron are, is like system integration. Like there a native Mac app works with all of my tools and I’m able to integrate it with all of my other tools and they can talk to each other and I can use system services and text fields and all of these things that make a Mac fun for me and electron defeats that it’s the major reason I can’t switch to vs code is because none of my non IDE tools work in vs code and it, it, it kills my flow. [00:44:39] Um, [00:44:40] Christina: Right. [00:44:41] Brett: that said, I really don’t give a shit about one point password being an electron app. How often am I actually in the one password app hardly ever. I’m usually using it through browser plugins anyway. [00:44:54] Christina: Right. Well, I mean, I think this is honestly the whole thing and, and I will say at least, and I haven’t used the beta because [00:45:00] they are apparently going to change this, but they changed the key binding and that’s a deal breaker for me. And apparently like in the [00:45:07] Brett: binding you already can customize. [00:45:09] Christina: Yeah. [00:45:09] Apparently you can’t customize it in the beta. And so I, I I’ve been using, you know, command, um, backslash, um, for, I mean, that’s, that is their key binding. Like I have a t-shirt from. [00:45:21] Brett: yeah, [00:45:22] Christina: That has that on it, like literally. Yeah. Like literally I have a t-shirt from them that has that on it. Right. So, um, that is their key binding, but apparently they’ve switched to something else. [00:45:32] I don’t know if it conflicts with me. I don’t know what it is. All I know is that they’ve changed it to something else. And I’m like, I’m not down with that. So I haven’t used the beta, but I have looked at people like, uh, like my friend, um, Miguel, uh, Kaisa, uh, creator of genome and a very big Mac fan. Um, he was like comparing the, I guess, memory usage and some of the other stuff, it is weird to me how much memory it uses and the fact that, [00:46:00] because it is an electronic app that they still have, like, this is a weird thing to me. [00:46:03] And I don’t know if it’s a benefit of, if it’s a requirement of electronic, I feel like they could do this natively, but the helper app that runs in your toolbar, apparently, like there has to be a whole process for that too, which I feel like, I feel like you could make that name. I feel like, I feel like you could make that like in swift or objective C and you wouldn’t need to have like the full JavaScript power of like a full Chrome browser just to be in your toolbar. [00:46:32] Like when the app is running. I don’t care. [00:46:35] Brett: Yeah. Like the background processes that handle like all of the security and everything still have to be native to the machine. [00:46:43] Christina: Yeah. Well, th th the backend is all rust, but yeah, I, so I don’t, I don’t know. I don’t know. All I know is that there are some performance issues people are complaining about. I’m sure they’ll fix them, but in general, I agree with you. I don’t care so much about my, um, password manager, whether it’s native app or not. [00:46:59] If [00:47:00] the thing, the tool that’s running in the background is going to be using it more memory. I don’t love that, but I’ll deal with it. But also in fairness, I think safari is potentially the one exception here. Although even there, like they could, they could bundle their safari extension in a different way. [00:47:17] Like. It is, it is a web service now, like it is a full-on like cloud service. It is no longer a local bald where everything is done on your local machine. Like you have, there are benefits from having it locally available on your machine. Right. And, and you can integrate that way, but like most people are using this in the web browser, whereas accessing their vault, which exists on a server, meaning, you know, I bet I would bet that a lot of their users don’t even use the app at all. [00:47:47] They just use the extension. [00:47:49] Brett: Yeah. [00:47:50] Christina: So I’m with you. I kind of can’t get into the super uproar. I get why people are mad because we’re not mad that I guess sad. [00:47:59] Brett: maybe. [00:48:00] Yeah. Sad is a good word, but the rage is inexcusable. [00:48:03] Christina: The rage is inexcusable. Also. I think people who are mad about the lack of like, oh, I can’t have, you know, like local volts. [00:48:09] Yeah. Cause their security model and the stuff that they’ve done has changed. Like, they’ve been very clear. They’re like, look for us to do some of the stuff we do. We can’t do it on the local side anymore. So we are, they are looking into a way where you could sell post, um, vaults, which I actually like, because in that case, if I wanted to have my own self hosting system on my own home server where I still pay them and I had this as a backup or whatever, like I actually like that as an option, but there are now server side things that they’re doing where they’re like, yeah, we can’t do this with the local volt model anymore. [00:48:40] So you have to subscribe and you have to use our, you know, um, our clouds to store your stuff. I trust them. I certainly, it’s weird to me where people who are like, I don’t trust them, but yet they trust the encrypted file being stored in iCloud or Dropbox. I’m like, okay, the file encryptions, the same [00:49:00] Dropbox. [00:49:00] And I called our. Are are not going to be any more secure in my opinion than like the company whose entire business is going to be like, relying on, like, we have to make sure like, Hey, they’re probably using the same, you know, type of servers, like Dropbox isn’t on AWS anymore. But, but I cloud is right. So they’re probably still using AWS or something. [00:49:21] They’re just managing all their stuff themselves. So it just seems silly to me, people who are like, oh yeah, I don’t trust the security. And then they’re putting it in a Dropbox folder [00:49:29] Brett: I will, I will. I’ll like, I know people who work on the encryption and security side of one password and I, I trust one password implicitly. They would, they would not take shortcuts that would in any way, uh, in danger, their user’s security. If anything, it gets more secure over time. [00:49:50] Christina: Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I know people who work on it too. I don’t know them as well as you do, but I do know people who work on it. The one thing though, I think that at least for the Mac community, and, and I would [00:50:00] be curious in your feedback, I just feel like people feel like this is yet, this is yet another app that is no longer native. [00:50:06] And I feel like people are mourning that because the Mac is no longer a platform that at least for native development, meaning objective C swift with UI, it’s just no longer a priority. [00:50:17] Brett: loving mate, loving Mac apps is now the new, like gray beard, like native Mac apps are for old people. [00:50:26] Christina: they are. And it sucks. [00:50:28] Brett: It does suck. I’m old now. [00:50:30] Christina: I, yeah, I know. I hate it. And I keep, but it’s weird. I mean, I’m in this phase I’ve been working on. I’ve been wanting to write a blog post for a long time. I’ve been kind of trying to like work it out. So I’ll try to kind of work it out verbally before I write it out. [00:50:44] But kind, I’ve had to come to terms with the fact that like the Mac as a native platform is, is dying. And I’ve been coming to terms with that for a few years. And it’s really been upsetting for me. It’s really been a challenge for me because I’ve had to start looking at the fact that there’ve been [00:51:00] changes in direction of the Mac that I don’t love. [00:51:02] And, and there have been changes that like makes it feel less and less like the platform that I’ve love and the customizability and the native things. And like at a certain point, if the apps aren’t native anymore, you start to ask certain questions like, okay, why am I on this platform versus this other platform that would give me the same application? [00:51:21] And Mike, give me more customizability, right? Like you, you, at least if, if you’re someone like me, who’s like a long time Mac user and has very specific reasons for using a Mac, the reasons that you use it, a lot of them are at this point, either tied into the apple ecosystem or kind of tensed with nostalgia, but one of the things that’s been there has been like, you have a really like, as, as grouper would call it like Mac ass Mac apps, right? [00:51:45] Like really a really well-designed Mac apps. And, uh, it was either Gruber or it was, um, Brent Simmons who set that and [00:51:51] Brett: think it was, it was Brent Simmons. [00:51:52] Christina: is Brent Simmons. Okay. [00:51:53] Brett: Reblogged by Gerber, but [00:51:55] Christina: yes, yes, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, all hail [00:52:00] OJI. Um, but like the good Mac ass Mac apps are few and far between now. And that sucks. And I guess what I’m coming to the conclusion with, and I’m having a, I’ve had a hard time kind of dealing with it, but I feel like I’ve almost, um, almost come to an acceptance phase, the web one. [00:52:20] Like for a week, we can, we can argue if it’s good or bad. And, and I think the apple played a large role in pushing developers away from developing native experiences for the Mac, but the web fucking one, man, like it is what it is. Like people, people hate electron, but I’m like, yeah, the web one, you know, like if I primarily have a web service, what is, what is in it for me to then spend the time and resources in trying to pin down a lot of other things and developing a native wrapper for that web service, like [00:52:54] Brett: Well, and, and if you don’t have a web service, you, you have a limited, [00:53:00] uh, limited usability anyway, like you, you have a more limited appeal, like a web service is the key to making a product indispensable and yeah, no, you are correct. Do you want to know what I did though? Speaking of security and passwords, [00:53:20] Christina: Yes, please. [00:53:21] Brett: I can now authorize pseudo with my watch. [00:53:26] Christina: Nice. [00:53:27] Brett: Yeah. What what’s annoying to me about that. Like, I’ll put a Lincoln, there’s a, uh, I had to find a, uh, build for the M one cause a different enclave. I don’t know, but you have to build the PID module, the Pam module four M one to get it to work. But once you do a, you can, anytime you type sudo and you have your watch on, it’ll ask you to authorize it on your watch and then it works. [00:53:56] But I, there are still so many [00:54:00] authorization dialogues on my Mac that I have to type a password into. What is it that keeps me from being able to have every dialogue work with my watch. [00:54:09] Christina: Yeah. [00:54:11] Brett: I want to, like, if I can do it with pseudo, you would think I’d be able to do it with like key chain. [00:54:17] Christina: Yeah, no, I agree. I think that, and I think there’s technically a way to do it. I think there’s stuff that apple would have to expose, but yeah, I agree. Because one of the things that I do, like, like, um, so at work, so I use off the primary, well, I use one password and I have my, okay, this is very bad. I should say this. [00:54:33] I realized the opposite here is not great. It is what it is for the things where it is required to be good. Then it’s actually in one place. But in general, for services where I have two factor authentication, I use author and one password, um, and author, because I, uh, AI, I do trust Twilio to have stuff and it’s encrypted, but I liked that it’s backup and portable and I can go from place to place and one password, because I like having the code stored in my password manager. [00:54:59] But with [00:55:00] certain things like for my Azure accounts, my work accounts, I have to use the Microsoft authenticator. Which is like a, it is like a, it’s similar to the Google auth app. Um, it also can actually do backups or whatever too. I could use that for everything, but it’s more convenient to, for me to use my other things. [00:55:16] What did you like about that? Is that that the, the watch can be a designated thing. So if I’m trying to log into one of my accounts or whatever, I can get the notification up on my watch versus my phone to then approve. And then it’ll, it’ll do the sign-on, um, a handshake in the browser. [00:55:33] Brett: of my authenticators work with my wife. [00:55:35] Christina: Yeah. The Microsoft authenticator works with the watch, which is really nice. [00:55:39] And, um, one thing I do like about that app, um, some of the other ones do this too, but I do like about it. If, um, it’s like done correctly, like when I’m trying to sign in for something, a pop-up notification will come on my phone, um, as I’m trying to log in, it says, you need to approve this with face ID or whatever.[00:56:00] [00:56:00] And then I can tap the notification will immediately open where I need to be. I approve. And then I can go back to the webpage, which is nice, but it’s even nicer when it’s just on my watch. And then it’ll just pop up my watch and I can just like tap and it’s and it’s. [00:56:13] Brett: Yeah, I would love that. I have, I have like four different, uh, like two factor apps, uh, one for Oracle, one Google authenticator, one that’s specifically for my Synology and author. And like, I have to keep track of which, which two factor log-ins are soaked into which app and it’s annoying. [00:56:38] Christina: Yeah. Yeah, I have, I mean, I basically, I mean, I have four, but like it’s basically two, right? It’s basically like the stuff that I use for my Microsoft accounts and then like my consumer stuff. [00:56:49] Brett: Yeah. Um, wow. So, so it’s been an hour. We did that. We just, so everyone who has made it through this episode knows we didn’t do a pre-show [00:57:00] at all. We just, we, we picked up the phone. [00:57:03] Christina: we wait. [00:57:04] Brett: And we’re like, let’s just see what happens. And then we did it and weirdly zero pop culture came up. [00:57:11] Christina: I know, I know, uh, next week we will be able to talk about it because I’m, I’m, uh, I’m going back to 2005 this weekend. [00:57:19] Brett: Oh yeah. [00:57:20] Christina: Yeah. So I’m, I’m flying to LA tomorrow morning and, uh, I’m going to see green day Weezer and fall boy on a Friday at Dodger stadium. [00:57:29] Brett: Oh man. We might have to have Aaron back for this top or this conversation. [00:57:32] Christina: Yeah. I’m very excited. Uh, so [00:57:36] Brett: a metal head, but apparently she has opinions about pop punk too. [00:57:40] Christina: yeah, that’s what, that’s what, uh, she was saying kind of in our doc. Yeah, this is good. So this, this concert, this is called the Hela mega tour. It was supposed to take place in July of 2020, obviously. Didn’t um, I’m, uh, I am sad that I, uh, so originally how this was [00:58:00] supposed to happen, and I’m still sad about this is that I was going to say. [00:58:04] Follow boy, Weezer. Um, um, and, uh, green day on like Saturday, and then I was going to see Taylor swift on Sunday [00:58:13] Brett: Right. I think you mentioned that. Yeah. [00:58:15] Christina: yeah, and, and obviously Taylor concert was canceled and not rescheduled, but this one, at least, uh, my friend Catherine and I are going to go, we’ve been like looking forward to this for like, you know, a year, well, more than a year and a half. [00:58:30] Cause I don’t even remember when we first got tickets been. We’ve been looking forward to this since like the beginning, like the end of 2019. I think so. Yeah. So, [00:58:40] Brett: it lives up to your expectations. [00:58:42] Christina: Well, even if the concert sucks and I don’t think it will, like, I’m just excited to, to see Catherine. Cause I haven’t seen her since 2019 and so that’ll be fun and I’m just excited to like get out of like the, you know, the house, even though I know that things are getting bad again, I’m [00:59:00] I can’t stay cooped up. [00:59:02] Brett: All right. Well, good luck. [00:59:04] Christina: Thank you. So that’s all, all that is, is preface to say there will probably be some pop culture, um, talk next week because I will. [00:59:12] Brett: guaranteed. [00:59:14] Christina: Yeah, it seems like it. [00:59:16] Brett: All right. Do you want me to invite Erin back? I bet she’d love to come [00:59:19] Christina: You’d totally bring her back and we can talk all the, all up. I’ll pop punk stuff. [00:59:24] Brett: We had to talk about metal too, but you don’t like metal [00:59:27] Christina: I I’m not into metal, but I would love to listen to the two of you. Talk about that all. I mean, I genuinely know Jack shit about metal, uh, except that guy dated freshman year of college was really into Ramstein. Um, [00:59:40] Brett: that’s industrial. [00:59:42] Christina: Okay. See, so clearly. Yeah. So I was going to say, and I even knew that I even know that there’s a distinction, but yeah. [00:59:48] So, uh, like, like yeah. And industrial, I can kind of get into metal. I think you don’t have it. I think like it’s just one of those weird things where like age wise, I just like totally missed the boat on it. [00:59:58] Brett: Well, so like, yeah, no, [01:00:00] let’s have this conversation with Aaron because there is this weird thing that happened to metal in like more in my lifetime. Like, like there were only maybe four major genres of metal when I graduated from high school and now they’re easily a hundred and it’s, it’s gotten highly specific and to the point where I just can’t keep up and I kind of gave up, but anyway, oh my God. [01:00:27] Get some sleep, Christina. [01:00:29] Christina: get some sleep, Brett.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript 251 [00:00:00] Brett: Hey, um, this is Brett. Welcome to overtired. I’m here with Christina and our special guest, Aaron Dawson. Uh, first off, how’s it going, Christina? [00:00:14] Mental health corner [00:00:14] Christina: Uh, pretty good. I’m tired. Uh, which is good, I guess, for the name of the show, but yeah, I’ve had like three hours of sleep, so I’m, uh, I’m a little more tired than usual. Although I took my Dexedrine like right before we started recording. So in probably 15 minutes, I’m going to like, get my, you know, burst of like, you know, amphetamine, adrenaline or whatever. [00:00:42] We’ll, we’ll be able to hear it. I’m sure. Once it kicks in on the show, [00:00:47] Brett: I have you beat. I got two hours of sleep and I’ve been up since midnight. Uh, it’s not, it’s not a manic episode. I was just doing research for this podcast. [00:00:57] So Aaron, how much sleep did you get? [00:00:59] Erin: [00:01:00] Thanks for asking Brett. A solid seven, not to brag. [00:01:05] Brett: God damn. [00:01:06] Erin: Sorry. [00:01:07] Christina: fucking fucking neurotypical people. Well, I’m sorry to assume. And I’m not, I’m not actually assuming, cause you’re on our podcast. So, uh, there’s gotta be like something that makes you, you know, like special because we’re special types of assholes, but uh, seven hours. Congratulations. [00:01:26] Erin: thank you so much. Um, so what that seven hours though, it was a pretty shaky kind of sleep. So I went out last night, um, to a little cocktail bar and I felt okay about it because I got tested yesterday. I’ve been, um, doing a lot of travel recently cause I just moved from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh. So I’ve been in airports and I just wanted to be safe. [00:01:50] So I felt okay about it. Um, so even though I got a solid seven, I’m a little hoarse cause we stayed out a little bit. So. [00:01:59] Brett: [00:02:00] Um, Aaron and I had this really fun conversation once about an unnamed coworker. Like he has a name, but we’re not going to name him. Uh, [00:02:11] Christina: like, like X. [00:02:13] Brett: yes. Coworker X, uh, w we decided he was aggressively normal. Like speaking of neuro-typical, he was aggressively normal and, but it doesn’t bode well for either Aaron or me. [00:02:29] I shouldn’t talk for Aaron. Aaron, how do you feel about aggressively normal people? [00:02:34] Erin: It doesn’t bode. Well, if I could, if I can get into the mental health stuff, just right off the bat, uh, I have like a pretty quick like barometer for if I’m going to get along with someone and it’s completely vibe based. Right. And that, that sort of test is like, do I think this person has ever wanted to do this something harmful to themselves? [00:02:57] Or do I think this person has [00:03:00] ever struggled mental health wise? And if the answer is like a no in a hard, no, it’s gonna be a bummer because that’s kind of like the fountain vein emotional foundation, um, that I keep with other people. So I don’t think there’s, I don’t think that Mr. X has ever, ever, ever wanted to do that. Okay. [00:03:20] Brett: no, I highly doubt that. [00:03:22] Christina: Whoosh, you know, I mean, cannot relate, uh, personally, but at the same time, I’m kind of like happy for you, Mr. X. Like, I, I, I, 100% see where you’re coming from Erin. And you’re like, I don’t think we’re going to vibe. Cause this is like a core part of who I am and like cannot relate with him. Part of me is like, I’m actually quite happy for you that you’ve never had to experience this. [00:03:46] This is strange. I don’t know what to do with this information, but good for you. I guess [00:03:52] Brett: There’s a whole world out there for normal people where they like hanging out with other normal people and do normal stuff and never think bad thoughts. [00:04:00] Well, if they do think bad thoughts, I imagine their bad thoughts are nothing like my bad thoughts. [00:04:06] Christina: probably that’s weird to think about. We talked a couple of weeks ago about masking and, um, and then, uh, we did get some, uh, incidentally, we did get some like, uh, uh, listener responses to my other controversial stances in that episode, which I will not be re litigating. Uh, and I appreciate the responses. [00:04:26] I’m happy that we can have those discussions, but, uh, we were talking about masking and yeah, it’s a weird thing for me. Cause like part of me I’m like, I think sometimes people have, who don’t know me. Um, and, and, and don’t like, listen to anything that I say, or like read what I write or whatnot. Like they don’t have those concepts of stuff with me. [00:04:44] And so they make assumptions and then I’m like, Yeah. [00:04:48] no, I, I, I’m not, you know, like, uh, a normal person, but, but people often who just like see the surface level stuff, like [00:05:00] I, most of my life I’ve kind of made those assumptions and I’m like, Nope, not, not [00:05:05] Erin: Yeah. Yeah. One of the first things I. Brett when you and I met each other, uh, officially, and I’ve known of you for, uh, for a while before we started working together. But, um, I feel like one of the first things you mentioned in your sort of introduction is like, Hey, uh, sometimes I, I have this thing going on and, uh, I might act a little differently and my schedule might be sort of asynchronous with yours. [00:05:32] Um, but usually I bounce back and it’s not a big deal. And that, that endeared you to me very quickly. [00:05:40] Brett: That’s funny. I immediately regretted making that my like opening line. I felt like maybe that was definitely oversharing. [00:05:47] Erin: I, yeah, I love oversharing. I mean, it’s, it’s the, it’s the sort of like, um, not evil twin of, of the thing earlier, where if you’ve never wanted to, you know, do [00:06:00] something harmful that I can’t relate to you, if you aren’t oversharer, especially about this stuff. Like, I absolutely love you already foundation. [00:06:09] Unconditionally. [00:06:10] Brett: uh, yeah, I like you’re the only person at work that I have openly talked about. My bipolar. Um, you, you, like there was an immediate, like, I felt like I could trust you and, uh, like disability laws and everything. I’m not scared that I like can’t talk about it to my manager. And if it ever becomes necessary to like explain something, uh, um, I’m not worried about it, but like, I’m not going to tell Mr. [00:06:40] Rex, he doesn’t need to know [00:06:42] Christina: No. [00:06:44] Erin: to know basis. [00:06:45] Christina: Yeah, I think that’s like, and that’s like the weird lesion of say, co-authoring right. Like when you meet somebody and you just know [00:06:50] like you can trust them and talk to them and you can have that human moment of sharing, or even if you feel like it’s oversharing it, which I think is great. [00:07:00] And, uh, I’m glad that you have somebody that like you can talk to at work about that stuff. [00:07:05] Right. I certainly have people that I can, although like to varying degrees and I’m sure I know I have colleagues and people who like listen to this, which is weird. So I’m kind of like, well, [00:07:15] Erin: Okay. [00:07:15] Christina: my whole life is out there, so whatever, but like, I know that like my managers don’t listen to this, which thank God. [00:07:23] Um, but yeah, but that’s, that’s nice that you’ve had that, but I do also understand there are those people who are like, yeah, I’m not gonna be, I’m not going to have this conversation. Cause it’s. They either either may a may not understand or be it’s just like, not, not the best opener, because just don’t need to know like, just, it’s not something you feel like you need to share with them. [00:07:45] Brett: You want her to know what else I did in our very first conversation. [00:07:48] Christina: is that? [00:07:49] Brett: I had put together some pieces of a kind of conversation and decided that, uh, that I understood Aaron’s sexuality. And, um, [00:08:00] instead of asking her like what her sexuality was, I just out and out said, Hey, are you and I, I think I threw you, Aaron. [00:08:10] I didn’t mean to. [00:08:12] Erin: No. [00:08:12] Brett: then I made a crack about, about vegans and California. And the whole thing felt weird [00:08:18] Erin: No, no. Um, there’s a sixth love language. Um, and for me that’s being like made fun of that’s the only way I feel sometimes, um, or affection, not just love. Right. Um, yeah, that, that, that felt really, really good to me. I, I think I kind of responded in kind by sending you some of my music, like band camp links, which [00:08:46] I, [00:08:47] Brett: said I had to, I had to stock you first. Like I found you on SoundCloud. I didn’t find your band camp. It wasn’t until we’d known each other for a few weeks, that you’ve shared your [00:09:00] band camp URL with me. We should put that in the show notes. Do you want that in the show notes? [00:09:04] Erin: Oh, that’d be fine. That’d be great. [00:09:08] Christina: yeah. Put, put, put her, put her camp stuff in the shutter. [00:09:13] Erin: I actually shared. Um, so, so I was doing, uh, I had, uh, I had a call with someone at work recently and they needed to share their screen and, uh, while sharing their screen, they, they played a YouTube video. And when the YouTube video ended, you know, you get to see a bunch of thumbnails for suggested recommended videos. [00:09:33] And they were all tool videos, like tool covers, tool drumming, uh, live tool sets. And I said, oh, you like tool. And he lit up and we talked about metal for awhile and. I, you know, I mentioned that I’m a musician. I actually went to school for music, this kind of thing. And afterwards slacked him, uh, you know, uh, a link [00:10:00] to some of my like more metally stuff and immediately deleted it cause I was embarrassed and he called me out. [00:10:07] Um, and it’s weird. It’s, it’s sharing this really personal part of yourself. When you talk about your mental health at work or you show someone your art, um, it’s, it feels like, you know, the stigma about mental health is, is sort of eroding over time and like pretty quickly, um, except this, except when there are power dynamics at play, especially in the workplace blase, blase. [00:10:34] Right. Um, so I [00:10:37] Christina: No, that’s a great point. And, and it’s weird right? Because there are certain mental health things you can talk about at work. I think that are accepted. And then there are ones that aren’t right. Like, um, and I think this is like totally fucked up, but like, if you have anxiety or ADHD, that’s more understood. [00:10:53] But if you were say in the middle of like an actual major depression, or if you suffer from bipolar or if you have, you [00:11:00] know, some sort of other disorder, then that’s like not quite as, as understood. And it’s, so this weird thing, like at this point, I think, especially in the industry that we work in there, it. feels like everybody is, is ADHD, which, um, uh, is nice. right. [00:11:17] I have to say it and people like have actual diagnoses and, um, and a lot of people are on medicine for it. Uh, like, uh, I shared this on the show before, but it was remarkably easy maybe to, uh, No, I’m not going to say 80 to a scary degree. Cause actually it should be like this, but, but it was remarkably easy when I hadn’t been on my ADHD meds in a couple of years because I had ghosted my shrink and did stupid stuff and I moved to Seattle and I went to the doctor on the Microsoft campus and I was talking to her about stuff. [00:11:51] First I’ve ever met her. I told her the name of my doctor. She didn’t actually like check stuff. I told her I had a diagnosis and she wrote me a script [00:12:00] for my Dexedrine that I got filled bad day. And then I was even able to get another refill. Um, and then I needed to like get back in touch with my shrink and get stuff done, um, with that was like my first visit. [00:12:12] And that was. That was a really easy way of getting access to drugs where you didn’t actually, like, you took my word for it, which I think is great and the way it should be, but not the way it usually goes. And I’ve known like I’ve had like coworkers who’ve come into the office and I’ve like gone to the on-campus like health center and have like, gotten like an Adderall prescription like that day. [00:12:37] Um, again, like, I’m sure, like, without them, you know, calling like to confirm with their other doctor or anything or whatever. Um, so it feels like that’s an accepted thing, but there are other things that it’s like, there is more of a stigma around it. And I don’t know if it’s that it’s not accepted because I could be wrong. [00:12:55] It could be more open to talk about it, but like I have, I’ve had like managers and like executives [00:13:00] who will talk about being ADHD, but I don’t hear the same thing about like depression, you know, [00:13:07] Brett: Or bipolar? [00:13:08] Christina: bipolar? Absolutely [00:13:09] Brett: No One’s up front about bipolar. [00:13:11] Christina: No, not at all. I mean, the, the bipolar stigma is still there. I think it’s important. [00:13:14] Like people like Catherine Zeta Jones, there’ve been some other, like, you know, celebrities who’ve been open about it. Well, Yeah. but Kanye is a bad example, right? Like, like Kanye, like, I’m sorry. But like, frankly, like, Oh, it was hurts some of the stuff more. Um, and, uh, w which is sad. [00:13:32] Brett: he’s a bad representative for bipolar. [00:13:34] Christina: Well, I mean, the, the art is great, but like, you see like the pain and like, this is why I had to stop, like, engaging with his Twitter stuff. [00:13:40] Cause I was like, oh shit, this is like, honestly not a good thing. This is not okay. But yet, but bipolar. [00:13:46] you don’t see people open about that, even though it’s, you know, more common. Um, it’s not a super common thing, but it’s, it’s more common, but yeah, like there’s still a stigma attached to that. Like I don’t think I’d be having a conversation about that with like a corporate [00:14:00] vice-president. [00:14:01] Erin: I have a theory about this, which is, um, you know, some of that, there’s like an Overton window of mental health here and bipolar ADHD they’re included. Like you can talk about that stuff. We’re still coming off of like bipolar and ADHD. Uh, we still kind of consider them like quirky or something, but not diagnoses for troubled people. [00:14:25] Um, they’re quirky where, as we’re asked something more serious, um, like a capital D depression, um, and this is where the like theoretical, uh, bar comes in, it distracts from. The capital from production, from labor, from work and air go there’s the, there’s still that stigma around it because especially, you know, places like, uh, like if you work in an open office and you’re gone for periods of the time period, long periods of time, like not a good look at [00:15:00] some places, depending on how the vibe of the office is. [00:15:02] And so the, the, the, the diagnoses that, and, and, and, you know, I guess illnesses that distract and prevent you from actually working are still stigmatized or as the quirky ones. Yeah. You got a pass or you’re, they’re not, they’re seen as, not as serious. [00:15:21] Brett: Why are managers so obsessed or some managers so obsessed with the hours you work? Uh, our managers are pretty cool. You know, as long as you get your shit done and you do good work, they don’t really care when you come into work. Or when you leave work, no one checks my clock, but I, when I quit my last job, it was like the, the straw that broke the camel’s back was I refuse to make my team work on a Saturday. [00:15:54] And, uh, and that w I was reprimanded for that. And I, my contract [00:16:00] said we don’t work weekends. And I S I stood my ground and it didn’t go well, and then I quit. I wasn’t fired. I got, I got pissed about it. And that was, I mean, I was already pissed, but then I got, and then I was just done. [00:16:15] Christina: yeah. Although in retrospect, maybe you should have quit removing should have let them fire you. Cause maybe the severance would have been better. [00:16:21] Brett: yeah. [00:16:22] Christina: That’s always the weird thing to know. [00:16:24] Brett: when I offered my resignation, the response was that’s weird. I was just about to give you a raise. I’m not sure if that’s true or not. The guy was a snake. [00:16:35] Erin: That’s what they all say. [00:16:38] Brett: I, I spent the rest of the next five years kind of regretting not having a stable job. It’s good to, it’s good to be back in the workplace. [00:16:45] Christina: We’re glad you’re back, but yeah, it is. That is like, uh, I don’t know. Um, I’m lucky that unless we’re on like deadline on something, like, we’re not super obsessed with, with ours, but it’s also been weird the last year and a half. [00:17:00] Cause we’ve all been working from home and it’s all been this weird fucking pandemic bullshit, um, that thanks to the anti maskers and anti-vaxxers, we’re going back into more lockdown stuff, which is fucking terrible. [00:17:13] Um, so it’s been easier, but yeah, I don’t know, like, it is a weird thing cause I’ve been on so many, I’ve been on a number of different teams at Microsoft and some of the teams are definitely more like you need to be in the office and make FaceTime sorts of things, but they’re not, but like it’s for appearances. [00:17:27] It’s not as if they’re actually like looking to see if I’m doing anything. In my, in, you know, in the office, it’s just, I need to show up at, you know, 20 hours of meetings a week. Um, so yeah, I don’t know. I, I, uh, before that, you know, I was in, I was in news and that’s probably one of the like least good careers in terms of like a work-life balance you can have. [00:17:55] Brett: You’re slave to the headlines at that [00:17:58] Christina: Yeah. Because it never stops. [00:18:00] And if you’re following something, it doesn’t matter if it’s like three o’clock in the morning, like you have to get up and, and cover it. So if it’s like your story, your beat or whatever, [00:18:12] Brett: yeah, I wouldn’t have made it in that profession. You know what we gotta, we gotta get rid of the zoom bots in slack. It is way too easy for people to start zoom meetings. Like you can just pop into someone chat someone’s chat type slash zoom meeting and boom. You’re in a zoom meeting with someone and there needs to be a barrier. [00:18:33] You should have to schedule that shit anyway. [00:18:36] Christina: do people actually do that to people like not say, Hey, can we have a call? And, and instead they just like randomly started meeting, like it started meeting. [00:18:44] Brett: Well, there, there will be one chat message prior to it. Uh, Hey, let’s have a call. And then the thing pops up with the link to join the zoom meeting. Yes. People all over my place of work. Do [00:18:56] Erin: Okay. [00:18:58] Brett: I hate surprise meetings [00:19:00] anyway, Aaron, uh, um, I’m gonna, um, I’m gonna shut up soon, but I I’m curious about this thing you put on to our shared show notes document about dud, uh, therapy sessions. [00:19:13] Erin: Yeah, right. Okay. So I it’s been about three years since I’ve seen a therapist, um, and over the pandemic, which is not over, I felt like I needed to come back, needed to come back to the fold. And I found a young Ian with whom I wanted to work and her name is Wendy. She’s great. Um, and, and. We’ve had really huge breakthroughs and it’s been so good for me. [00:19:44] Um, I never cry. Um, but during some of these sessions, like I get weepy. Um, and, and so they’ve been historically really good, but recently [00:20:00] there there’ve been a couple sessions where it just feels like, you know, why am I here? It feels like I’m at a Tiki bar talking to a good friend about some issues that I just, that are like dear to me and are painful to me. [00:20:18] And it feels good to just talk to someone about them, but there aren’t a lot of like, There’s not a lot of moving the needle, mental health wise, or trying to unspool a lot of this stuff that’s been, you know, for years been like this, this really naughty with a K uh, thing thing for me. And so last session this week, it just felt like it felt like that again. [00:20:47] And. I, I turned that kind of in words, where I felt like I failed my therapist and I feel like I fail her when this happens. And I feel like that because [00:21:00] I don’t know, I maybe I’m like too professional about therapy. Like I want to come with notes. I want to come with stuff to talk about rather than let it, you know, be this like natural con unscripted. [00:21:13] Conversation. And I find that when I do prepare notes, we don’t talk about any of the stuff that I really wanted to, but it’s stuff that we needed to talk about. But when I don’t prepare notes, it’s this weird thing. When I don’t prepare notes, we, and trust that it will be an organic kind of conversation, uh, leading to, you know, these, these breakthroughs and moving the needle, nothing ever happens. [00:21:40] Um, and I feel like I fail my therapists when that happens like that. I didn’t do enough prep that I didn’t do enough work to say, like, this is what I want to get through today. And in the next couple months, and I feel like I need therapy for failure. It makes me feel really terrible, [00:22:00] but yeah, it’s just died just a dud session. [00:22:03] Brett: I like, I, the times I’ve gone to therapy, I’ve found that I do not let myself be genuine. Like I put up this, like, here’s who I want to be, and I’m going to describe things the way I kind of wish they were. And it’s really, I’ve never gotten to a point where I feel like I’m being honest and then the session ends. [00:22:31] And I feel like, well, they probably have a great impression of me, but they have no idea who I actually am. [00:22:36] Erin: Oh, my God sing it sister. Yeah. Like I, I’m pretty flirty and that’s, that’s not necessarily a romantic thing for me. Right. Like, I like to have fun with people and yeah. And like play and charm. And I, my therapist is no exception. Uh, and we bring that up in therapy. Like I want [00:23:00] you, I don’t want you to think ill of me, and I’m not scared that you will because it’s your job to, to sort of not analyze me, but we’re all explainable. [00:23:11] And I would like you to explain me, but I do also need you to like me and I want to impress you and I want to make dumb jokes with you. And it feels good when there is no reaction to those jokes. And when that kind of charm doesn’t really work because. And, and not really reacting to that stuff. She’s sort of like communicating with me like that. [00:23:38] We’re not here for that. And, and, and sometimes that’s a defense mechanism, right? Like a nervous laugh or, or that kind of thing. So I’m, I’m actually heartened. Bye. [00:23:48] Christina: It’s interesting. So I’ve been with my therapist. Who’s also, so he is both a psychiatrist and he does therapy, which is a rare combo, but, um, um, uh, and I’ve been [00:24:00] seeing him at this point for other than like the, the two year like dark period. I’ve been seeing him since I was 19 or 20, so like half my life. [00:24:11] So more than half my life, um, [00:24:15] Brett: You’re not 40. [00:24:16] Christina: not 40. So anyway, but, but, but approaching, so I’ve been seeing him for like 18 years. So, um, uh, stayed like that, that two year kind of like dark period. So he knows me pretty well, and he’s seen me through some shit. Right. And, and we used to have it in person, although it’s been over the phone for the last 10 years. [00:24:34] Um, and now he’s actually because he’s in his seventies. Um, and God, I hope he doesn’t retire, but I know that it’s coming. Um, he, uh, with dependent against stuff is probably only going to be doing like, you know, phone conversations. And look, if you can charge $300 an hour or whatever it is that he charges. [00:24:53] Um, and of course he does not take insurance, um, for being on the phone with people. I’m, I’m sure that that, that, [00:25:00] uh, suits him just fine. Um, so I’m pretty honest with him and he definitely has seen like the real me and I think he likes me and I think he’s proud and that makes me feel good. I think he’s proud of like, who I’ve become and like, cause he’s watched me, you know, like. You know, my, my whole adult, I basically, which feels really good and that’s really nice. And so I totally like relate to the whole wanting them to like, like you sort of thing, but I will say, and this is what’s interesting. I do have the same sort of thing where if I don’t come with like a plan of a thing that I need to talk about, we will just have more general conversations. [00:25:35] And sometimes that can be helpful and he’ll come up with, with things that we can kind of work through. But sometimes it’ll just feel like, okay, well, what did I just pay for? And so I do have to, like when I was earlier, when I was younger and things, and I think we were probably getting, like, he was getting to know me and we were getting to kind of. [00:25:53] Try to figure out, you know, approaches, uh, to both medicine and, and, and my, um, my mental health and things like That [00:26:00] Like there was probably more exploration where that sort of general talking was probably really good, but now there are times where I do have to come in and be like, okay, this is. [00:26:11] what I want to talk about today. [00:26:12] And this is what I need to try to work through. And these are things that I’m trying to approach. Um, but it also, and I’ll be honest, sometimes in some cases there are situations where I’m just like, I don’t want to talk about this. I know that I should, but I don’t want to. So we’ll just talk about the other things that are going on and the other stresses and, and, or not stresses. [00:26:34] Brett: You pay $300 an hour out of pocket. [00:26:37] Christina: Oh yeah, [00:26:38] Brett: It must be good. [00:26:40] Christina: yeah, yeah. No, he’s, he’s excellent. He’s excellent. No, I mean, and, and I’m looking. But not to like, I’m, I’m very fortunate and I’ve been doing this. Like I see him, I see him monthly at this point. So it’s, it’s not like a weekly thing. Um, when I was younger, when things were really bad, when I was like in college, there were some times I would see him like [00:27:00] weekly or every other week. [00:27:01] Um, but obviously, uh, that’s not a super, uh, uh, economical thing. Um, and then, um, when I was in New York and, uh, I made less money and, and whatnot, like it wasn’t the easiest thing always to do, but yeah. Uh, I, I’m not saying that didn’t have anything to do with why I ghosted him. That was just my own mental health and stuff being bad. [00:27:26] And like, don’t go to your shrink, but yeah. Um, Yeah, [00:27:30] $300 an hour. [00:27:31] Erin: Yeah, [00:27:31] Brett: you ready for this? I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna segue into a sponsor break before I shut up for awhile. [00:27:37] Christina: Okay. [00:27:38] Sponsor: Sanebox [00:27:38] Brett: Speaking of mental health, you know, what can really make you crazy too many emails? [00:27:44] Christina: Boom. [00:27:46] Brett: Inbox. Zero is a thing of the past. We’re also inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything. [00:27:53] It’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox [00:28:00] comes in. 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And then I’ve [00:29:00] just move a message from my inbox to one of those folders. [00:29:02] And when the time’s up, they move back to my inbox as unread messages and they work no matter which mail client I’m using, which is great. If you prefer something awesome, like MailMate on your Mac. So see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a free two week trial visit sanebox.com/overtired today to start your free trial and get a $25 credit that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. [00:29:34] And it’s, I’ve always thought SaneBox should sponsor us. And now they are so a big thanks to Spain SaneBox. [00:29:42] Christina: Yay. Thank you. SaneBox [00:29:44] Too much about the Bachelor [00:29:44] Brett: So I’ll let you guys either continue with the mental health discussion or move on to something, uh, that I would hate, like, you know, the bachelor or whatever. [00:29:54] Christina: you watching bachelor in paradise? [00:29:57] Erin: You know, I am, uh, [00:30:00] I’ve, I’ve inhaled it. I have, uh, have you been watching? [00:30:03] Christina: Oh, yes. Yes. Bachelor in paradise at this point is the only reason I’m kind of still watching the franchise because I want to know who the players in bachelor in paradise are. [00:30:13] Erin: Wow. [00:30:15] Christina: I kind of hate all the leads of him being honest. [00:30:18] Erin: Okay. Yeah. Very, very relatable. I, I started watching pretty recently. Like I started with Hannah bees season. [00:30:28] Christina: Okay. Okay. So, okay, so you are definitely newer. Okay. All right. [00:30:31] Erin: definitely, definitely, but I’m, I’m in the, I’m in the fandom now, I guess like really hard. [00:30:37] Christina: nation. Yes, [00:30:39] Erin: Yes, of course. I’m in the, I’m in the nation. Um, I wasn’t there a lot of podcasts about it. [00:30:45] I’m on the sub Reddit. Um, and like I’m finding that among a lot of queer people, there is a special place in the queer heart for, for this stupid [00:31:00] show. It’s really, really the tie that binds us all. [00:31:04] Christina: Well, it’s a great show and some of the podcasts. So I think Nick vie, ally, I love him. He’s like one of my favorite contestants, like ever. And I think his podcast is good. There’s some other really good podcasts. Um, and is this weird thing in the last like five or six years? Like the show is like taken on a new, I think audience where like, you still have like the like Midwestern or Southern, like middle-aged like white Christian women. [00:31:30] Like that’s still a contingent, but there’s also like this younger queerer, uh, like more alternative, like more like just, you know, people who are watching it started ironically and then were like, God damn it. This is actually really [00:31:45] Erin: No, I know it’s [00:31:46] Christina: And, and this is, yeah, this, this is a terrible show, but yet it’s fantastic. [00:31:50] Have you watched, um, FYI. [00:31:53] Erin: you know? Yes. Uh, so I, I, I seen like the first two episodes and I had [00:32:00] to note out and the reason I knocked out is because, you know, you need at least one redeemable person and no one on F boy island besides the host is, is like likable in any way. Um, so I, there are too many like Chad energy dude’s that I had to, it was to testosterone. [00:32:24] I had to know about. [00:32:26] Christina: Got it. Got it. Okay. Yeah, Cause I, I do enjoy FYE island, which is from, um, I think like the, I think it’s like, uh, also a Mica Fleiss, um, production, and then, uh, there’s a, you know, in the, in the UK there’s love island, which is just fantastic. Uh, and, and, and I think a bachelor in paradise is the closest thing that we really have to a, to a love island. [00:32:46] I’ve had like many conversations with my, um, British colleagues about these sorts of things. And I’m like, okay, if you need like the American equivalent, you have to watch bachelor in paradise because it is just the trashiest, but like best thing. [00:33:00] And yet shocky Lee, like there’s, I mean, every couple of years there’s like a wedding. [00:33:05] Um, [00:33:07] Erin: it works sometimes. [00:33:08] Christina: it works sometimes. um, uh, Tanner and Jay’s still seem to be together, um, uh, from, from years ago and, and Carly and I can’t think of the dude’s name, but yeah. Um, it’s uh, yeah, so, uh, Connor, I saw this in the, I saw it. I saw you put this in the show notes, um, uh, Connor, uh who’s uh, we should, uh, let people listeners know who I’m sure most of you do not listen to the BA do not watch the bachelor. [00:33:37] Uh, he’s a cat, um, and a [00:33:42] Erin: Yeah. [00:33:43] Brett: Wait, there’s a cat on the bachelor. I find that that’s a sympathetic character to [00:33:49] Erin: do you want to explain this, Christina? [00:33:51] Christina: well, he’s not like quite a furry, but like, he’s like dressed up as, as, as like a cat [00:34:00] Yeah. But he does have like, strong, like, like, like cat. [00:34:03] like. A gut, uh, energy. Um, [00:34:07] Erin: So, so the way this works, Brett, um, and, and I hope you you’ll forget this and I hope you do because you had such little sleep such as so few hours of sleep. Um, [00:34:18] Brett: already forgotten. [00:34:20] Erin: oh, thank God. But, but. This works is when contestants for the bachelorette, all men get out of the limousine and meets [00:34:28] Christina: like an intro. [00:34:29] Erin: the bachelor ad for the first time, they try to woo them by doing some kind of novel thing that is designed to be memorable. [00:34:37] So like one bro from this season, uh, James who looks like a villain, Christina, um, stayed in a box for a while and, and revealed himself later at one of the cocktail parties. Someone had like a bouncing, like a, like a bouncing castle or something like this. And Connor came out in a cat suit [00:35:00] because he has a strong meta-game. [00:35:01] He found on the internet that Katie Thurston, the bachelorette was a big cat fan. And so he donned a cat costume. Um, so, [00:35:11] Brett: It’s a bit on the nose. [00:35:13] Christina: It’s very on the nose. [00:35:14] I’m sure that actually a producer came up with it because the producers are highly involved in these shows. In fact, there was a whole, uh, series on, um, on lifetime and then on Hulu, um, about the behind the scenes thing, um, of, uh, uh, kind of like a show like the bachelor God, what was it called? [00:35:29] It was good. Um, shit. It was with the girl from Broswell Sherry. Fuck. What was her name? Uh, This is going to bother me. Um, [00:35:41] Brett: I might just leave a gap here and I’ll explain that Christina is madly searching the internet for [00:35:48] Christina: no sh Sherri Applebee. I came up with her name really quickly, and then I forgot the name of the TV show, but it was because it was a good show. It was nominated for Emmys. It was, it was, uh, unreal. Okay. So there was actually a [00:36:00] show on that was three seasons that was quite good, uh, called unreal, which was all about like, kind of the insidious nature of the way the producers on the bachelor and the bachelorette, like work with contestants. [00:36:10] So the producers totally like told Connor to put on a cat suit and, and like encouraged him to do that. And like, the thing is is you almost never want to actually do that. Like you, you don’t want to do the stunts. Cause the stunt people think that they get the airtime, but you’re usually not going to get a rose. [00:36:26] So he actually did better. Cause he’s a hot guy and has a really good body. Like then we would have thought despite that the catsuit, but he’ll always be known as Connor, the cat. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, But [00:36:41] Erin: Yeah, the button, the button down shirts with like the first, like four buttons. Not, not like, like showing his chest, like some real Miami vice, but like not in a, like retro, like what’s old is new again way. Um, but [00:36:57] Christina: yeah. No, you’re, you’re not [00:37:00] wrong, but, uh, I do enjoy his Instagram and he has a really good body. And I enjoy him on bachelor in paradise because you know, really, really good body, uh, don’t mind seeing him like shirtless the whole time, which is like the whole point of this show. So, so people who aren’t familiar, so you have the bachelor, you have the bachelor, right. [00:37:16] Which is like 24 or 20 contestants or whatever. Looking for love with, with, uh, with a bachelor bachelorette who is almost always someone who was on the previous season, who the audience knows and who often got to the finals and then was, was heartlessly, you know, like, like, uh, love was not allowed or in some cases there was like maybe a, a proposal. [00:37:36] And then like, after the fact, the guy was like, yeah, actually I’m not into this. And, and, and we’re all like watching, uh, you know, uh, Becca get broken up with and, and, um, feeling pretty terrible about everything that we’re in a we’re enduring. And, um, so. Um, they take, uh, so what happens in bachelor in paradise is they take the people who probably didn’t get all the way maybe they did, but [00:38:00] usually didn’t, um, from past seasons and they put them on an island where they’re there for like two or three weeks with lots of alcohol and food. [00:38:12] And they basically just hook up and fuck, and then there’s like an elimination ceremony. Like if you can’t find a partner to fuck, um, although they don’t like explicitly say that, cause the bachelor is this weird place where it’s puritanical, where they’d like to pretend that sex only happens in the fantasy suites. [00:38:27] But, uh, the, the, the, the, the goat of the franchise, uh, Kaitlyn Bristowe flux, Nick vow on their first one-on-one halfway through the season, they had to extend production in a foreign country for several days because of that decision. No one knew that was coming Kaitlyn. Bristowe all hail our queen. She is the greatest bachelorette of all time for that reason. [00:38:51] Um, uh, but, uh, but bachelor in paradise, uh, where’s the bachelor or bachelorette. I try to like sell this vision of a fantasy of love. [00:39:00] Bachelor in paradise is like, no, we’re going to make fun of all these people because we know they’re all ridiculous. It’s way more about the drama and the fucking impairing off. [00:39:09] And it’s it’s truly sublime trash television. [00:39:12] Brett: I cannot fathom liking this. You, you want to know what you want to know that the last reality TV I watched. [00:39:20] Erin: bar rescue. [00:39:22] Brett: first season of survivor. Uh, like I, I gotten through, uh, what was that re the real real world? [00:39:31] Christina: Okay. Shut up. Don’t don’t pretend like you don’t, you didn’t watch the railroad. [00:39:34] Brett: I did it. [00:39:34] Christina: X or fuck [00:39:35] Brett: did, I watched the real world and, and I wasn’t, at that point, I wasn’t as down on reality TV, but then I was in rehab and like inpatient rehab. [00:39:45] And the only thing that was ever on the TV in the lounge was survivors. So I, I, I rolled with it and, and I got into survivor. And then I got out of rehab and never watch reality [00:40:00] TV again. [00:40:01] Christina: Well, [00:40:02] Brett: That’s just me. [00:40:03] Christina: No, no, but I mean, I get it. You missed a lot of truly terrible television in the two thousands during the reality TV, boom of the two thousands. However, so I am sorry that you missed some truly, truly terrible television, like Jim millionaire and, um, uh, uh, uh, do you want to marry a multimillionaire and, uh, and other like truly abominable, um, uh, stuff by the bachelor. [00:40:28] Like is a little bit of a wink and a nod. Um, the franchise itself proper has started to lean more into kind of acknowledging like who many of its fans are. But bachelor in paradise when it started was unique because it was in it’s like, I think five or six years old at this point, maybe a little bit older in that it was the first time that this cause of the series and part of my initial appeal, which was ironic. [00:40:52] I have to admit at the beginning, um, was that it took itself like so seriously and was so chaste and some of its [00:41:00] approach to things, even though you always knew that stuff like went down and, and, and second greatest bachelorette of all time, uh, uh, Courtney Robertson, um, um, Rachel Lindsay, who is truly the greatest bachelor at, of all time, the reason I’m not putting her number one is she was too good for the show. [00:41:14] Then she’s too good for it now. She doesn’t like count, like she went on that show and was great for a presentation, but she was too good for the show when she went on, she’s a, she’s a lawyer. Um, uh, her dad is a federal judge. She’s also the first black, um, um, lead on the show, which was stupid that it took that long. [00:41:35] But anyway, before bachelor in paradise, the show would always have like this very like highly stylized kind of regimented thing. And with, with a couple of very dramatic exceptions, like they really, you know, pushed a certain kind of way of editing and whatnot. And you didn’t see any of the messiness, whereas a bachelor in paradise, like they just lean into the messy and it’s just fantastic. [00:41:57] Sponsor: Notion [00:41:57] Brett: Hi, how do, how do I segue from [00:42:00] this into, uh, of sponsor? Read about notion. [00:42:04] Christina: Okay. [00:42:04] So if you want to just keep track of your bachelor, um, nation, um, a fantasy list? [00:42:10] Brett: With your coworkers. This episode is sponsored by notion the all-in-one team collaboration software that combines note-taking document sharing, wikis, project management, and much more into a simple, easy to use tool. Not all work collaboration tools are created equal. Some only allow you to organize information while others only allow for project management. [00:42:34] Notion is the one tool for your whole team. 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[00:43:39] So don’t forget that notion.so and enter promo code overtired during checkout. Get collaborating with $250 off@notion.so and use promo code overtired. Thanks notion. [00:43:55] Christina: Okay, [00:43:56] Brett: Can I tell you, [00:43:57] Somehow, more about the Bachelor [00:43:57] Christina: go on. No, no, I was just going to, [00:44:00] was just going to say, Aaron, did you have anything else? I just want to know if she had anything else to add about the bachelor. Yes, she does. [00:44:05] Brett: I’m done. Okay, go ahead, Aaron, [00:44:08] Erin: close the loop to close the loop. Christina, I want to talk about your very quickly, your attraction to Connor. Um, so, so Connor, he’s a Hottie, but he’s like a nice guy. He’s like, he’s a normie, which is, I don’t know if that’s the word we use to describe Mr. X earlier, but strong, like aggressively [00:44:28] Brett: Aggressively normal. [00:44:29] Christina: a math teacher. [00:44:31] Erin: So w okay. But he’s also a [00:44:34] Brett: known a lot of weird math teachers. [00:44:36] Erin: Connor is also a musician. What does that mean? That means he brings his ukulele to the island to the beach. My, my question to you, Christina, is, does the cringe factor of Connor’s ukulele and singer songwriter, Jason morass for 2021 vibe like. [00:45:00] How does that play with his, his attractiveness to you as a presumably straight person? [00:45:05] Like, does it offset it? Does it enhance it? Like how do you [00:45:08] Christina: Oh, no way diminishes it 100%. Like I like, like again, like I just want to see him with his shirt off, like to be clear and, and I would prefer to not even hear him talk that much. Like I’m kind of wanting him to just be at Himba if I’m being totally honest. No, the music is totally cringe, but he’s also a nice guy. [00:45:24] He’s sweet. He’s enduring. Like there are so many assholes on that show. And, um, I have to say Lance bass, who I don’t love anyway, I don’t, um, he was on Nick vials, uh, podcasts, and he was like bitching about how like Connor was only on the show, like to get his music on. And like, dude, you’re not wrong. And you look, he, he has a certain point look, almost everybody in the bachelor this point, like, there’s this weird, like direct through line between the bachelor and bachelorette, adjacent people at people in that bubble. [00:45:56] And then like Nashville, like it’s weird. They all go to live in Nashville [00:46:00] afterwards. They, they find a lot of people in Nashville. It’s a weird thing. Um, uh, what’s a space Wells, uh, you know, one of the hosts who’s, who’s great. Like, is, was, it? was a radio DJ in Nashville, Wells, uh, who famously, like he got fairly far in his season just because he had a good personality, but he had like, didn’t have chemistry with the, with the contestant, like not really romantic chemistry. [00:46:21] He was just a really fun guy. And he has a great personality and he clearly was kind of odd. He was like, yeah, you could, you could tell that he was like, Yeah. my radio career will probably do well. And you? want a bachelor in paradise, had a great time. And now I think he’s engaged to like one of the stars of, um, uh, modern family or whatever. [00:46:36] So like, he’s, he’s doing well for himself. Like that was Seuss. I was like Lance bass. I was like, Yes. he wants to get his music on, but I don’t actually think that was the whole reason he went on the show And of all people to talk, dude, like the only reason you’re guest hosting, this is because you want people to listen to your shitty podcast or Sirius XM show, like, honestly, fuck [00:46:57] Erin: he’s not, [00:46:57] Christina: bass. [00:46:58] Erin: he’s not a great host [00:47:00] either. Uh, no, Chris [00:47:02] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. No, also. Yeah. He’s no, Chris Kirkpatrick. Sorry. Like he’s the weakest member of Insync. So like don’t come in here as the weakest member of Insync. Okay. [00:47:12] Brett: He’s also, he’s also one of the, the second, most famous member of Insync. So [00:47:18] Christina: he’s not, He’s not more famous than, than [00:47:20] Erin: famous member of in-sync with the fish last name. [00:47:23] Brett: we, can, can I know, I promise to let you talk about like the bachelor and [00:47:28] Christina: we can move on. We can move on. [00:47:30] Ok, we’re done with the Bachelor. Nerd time. [00:47:30] Brett: I really want to tell you about how I solve my VPN woes. [00:47:34] Christina: Okay. Okay, [00:47:35] Brett: that too, is that too harsher transition? [00:47:37] Christina: it’s not, this is a perfect transition. I’m really glad we’re, we’re making this transition? and that we’re, we’re done with bachelor talk. Uh, Aaron and I will be starting our own podcast. I will be restarting the basic bitches guide to life with Aaron is my cohost. Um, Aaron, you’ve just been voluntold for that. [00:47:52] Um, uh, Brett, go on. Tell us about your VPN. [00:47:55] Brett: Like I was a good sport, right? [00:47:57] Christina: No, you were, [00:47:58] Brett: Okay. Cool. [00:48:00] Cool. So our [00:48:02] Christina: he hated this so much. [00:48:04] Brett: work, uh, what makes us use, uh, Cisco, any connect to get on the VPN? And you know, all of the stuff like confluence, confluence, sorry, Aaron confluence, and, uh, and, uh, JIRA. And then all of the internal documents and everything, you gotta be on the VPN, but when you’re on the VPN, everything else is so slow and, uh, the VPN times out, and you have to enter your password every time because it doesn’t store credentials and every time your computer sleeps, it logs you out. [00:48:39] So it’s a constant, it’s a hassle. I hate it. I put my password on a key binding, uh, to save some time, but still annoying. So, uh, my manager turned me on to a Docker, uh, container that runs. Uh, it has like its own proxy debt [00:49:00] PAC filed that it can serve up to, um, Macco us, uh, auto configure for the proxy. It targets all of the, uh, possible Oracle in internet domains and ignores any non-Oracle traffic. [00:49:17] And then you route your, uh, your ports through the Docker image. And it’s, it’s seamless. You have to research it every 24 hours, but you can put that on a launch D job, but I didn’t want to run Docker on all my machines. So I’m running Docker on my old 2012 Mac mini in the corner of my basement. That’s like my home automation server. [00:49:45] So Docker’s running there with a launch D that that re restarts it every 24 hours. And then I just have launched D on each of my other computers that uses SSH to create a [00:50:00] tunnel to forward those ports so that the proxy dot PAC file, which redirects stuff to local host ports, [00:50:08] Christina: Right? [00:50:09] Brett: then when it redirects the local host host ports, it actually goes through the Mac mini and it is flawless. [00:50:16] I have never been happier. Well, I’ve never been happier with a VPN setup. I I’ve been happier, but they’re just really cool. [00:50:24] Christina: No. Okay. So basically, so you’re running Docker on this 2012 Mac mini and then your, um, SSH to launch D to basically run the, uh, the config file. [00:50:35] Brett: Yeah. I, I have a launch D job that, that runs SSH in the foreground. So the launch D job just keeps running until the SSH fails or crashes, and then it has a keep alive. So it just restarts the tunnel. So basically it’s always, always running and I never have to think about whether I’m on VPN or not. In fact, I’m on VPN right now and [00:51:00] it’s not affecting my, my bandwidth at all. [00:51:02] Christina: Nice. Nice. It seems like, have you ever looked at tail scale? Are you familiar with [00:51:07] Brett: have no idea what that is. [00:51:08] Christina: Okay. Tail scale is. bad-ass. So it’s basically kind of like a zero config, like VPN sort of install and it helps you get like wire guard basically installed or, or things similar to that. But without having to do the difficult configuration that wire guard entails, but you can install it on any device you can share with. How much people in your local network, and then you can basically kind of create like host names so that you could access like your home machines remotely without having to, to like manually configure like your or firewall stuff or, or, you know, like, like figure out like how you’re like handling like the DNS and all that stuff. [00:51:45] It’s really, really good. [00:51:46] Brett: What’s it called? [00:51:47] Christina: It tail scale. T a I L S C a L E. [00:51:53] Brett: Yeah. Okay. [00:51:54] Christina: It’s really good. My, uh, my friend, Brad, um, uh, works on it and, um, [00:52:00] uh, it’s awesome. Um, I don’t know if that would do anything for your setup, but it’s been, I would definitely encourage people who might need something similar to look into. And I don’t know how it would work with the Cisco AnyConnect thing. [00:52:13] For some reason, I thought that you were able to get around some of this by using a different VPN client. Did that end up not [00:52:18] Brett: so, yeah, like Shimo was kind of working for a little while, but then, uh, like it got to a point where it would, I could get to intranet sites while it was active on the VPN, but I couldn’t get to the rest of the internet. Like I couldn’t do it simultaneously. Uh, the only way I ever got that to work was with Cisco AnyConnect while I had that fucking over-protective profile, that MDM, that Oracle pushed onto my personal machine. [00:52:49] Uh, and for that period of time, the VPN was bearable, but I still had to do that logging in and out, but Shimo still like, I couldn’t get [00:53:00] this. I don’t know what I’m doing with networking and VPN stuff. Like I beat stuff until it works. I spent the weekend, uh, getting all of the port-forwarding right on my Synology so that I can get remote access. [00:53:18] And I built a, uh, so Synology has dynamic DNS built-in and Namecheap can add dynamic DNS to any domain you register there, but Synology can’t update Namecheap. So I wrote a blog piece [00:53:36] Christina: brain? Did, did you write a thing like for their API to basically, [00:53:39] Brett: Well, I, yeah, I just, I wrote a, uh, service that I added to their like default services. So now the dropdown includes names. [00:53:47] And now I have my custom domain that I won’t share publicly because it’s all, you know, private, but I have a nice short, custom domain. That’s very personal to me because I’m vain [00:54:00] and I can access my, my Synology, my local web servers, uh, everything my home automation server. [00:54:09] Christina: So you’ve kind of created this mesh VPN thing, similar to what they’ve done. Um, and I’m not wanting to undo your work, but I really want you to look at tail scale cause they have a technology package and, um, it just, it makes so much of the configuration stuff, especially on mobile devices so much easier. [00:54:27] So I want you to, I want you to like, especially next time you go into like a, a manic, like deep dive space. I want you to go into tail skill. Also their documentation is really good. Um, Aaron, I don’t know how much you fuck with networking stuff. I fuck with it enough to be dangerous, but not enough to like really understand things. [00:54:46] Um, uh, but uh, I like, uh, I liked history. [00:54:51] Brett: I will check that out. [00:54:53] Erin: Speaking [00:54:53] Brett: I don’t think errands. I don’t think Aaron’s into this stuff. Are you into this stuff? Aaron? [00:54:58] Erin: No, but here’s what I have to offer [00:55:00] here is a question. Maybe I, what I started at hour an hour at our workplace, Brett, I wanted to be, you know, like a device separatists where like I have my, you know, MacBook pro, but I have my iMac where like I do things, um, and pretty quickly learned that that’s like not a super tenable thing because I much prefer using my main machine, my iMac over the, over the laptop. [00:55:28] So I’m just going to sometimes VPN in to my iMac. Here’s, here’s my question. I’ll, I’ll have to VPN and to access confluence or JIRA or whatever, and then we’ll forget to disconnect from the VPN in the meantime. And here’s where the question is. I might, I might go to some unseemly things, not necessarily NSFW, but you know, a little, a little racy does, you know, [00:56:00] VPN does a lot of things. [00:56:01] But one thing that it does for our place of work is probably I’m guessing surveillance. So if you go to an unseemly website, um, not that that’s going to be flagged, but is that, uh, does that display on the, is it logged on the other end? [00:56:19] Brett: Okay. [00:56:19] Christina: So I don’t know about your policies. Do you know the answer to that, Brett? [00:56:22] Brett: I know that there is no policy that says it is not logged. [00:56:28] Christina: Okay. So. I know that for instance, at Microsoft, if I’m on the corporate network, like the sub-net, I can basically guarantee that any traffic that I’m visiting is logged. somewhere. Although I also know those logs are purged, and I also know that they’re 160,000 employees or whatever. And so, you know, that likelihood of them seeing anything is minimal. [00:56:53] I know that at least for us, like my managers can’t see anything. Um, th th th the trust and safety team might be able to, [00:57:00] or whatnot. I do also know that they have, um, that they block certain websites and they actually block certain connections. Like I can’t use bit torrent on the corporate network, um, unless I, use a different VPN on top of the corporate, like hardwired VPN, which yes. [00:57:19] Um, [00:57:19] Brett: I, I got bit too hard for my Synology, so I’m glad I figured this out. [00:57:23] Christina: Yeah. [00:57:23] no, I mean, and in my case, I mean, I was actually ironically doing the thing that I always make fun of people for claiming to be like, don’t let your Linux system. I’m like, no, you’re not in this case. I actually was downloading some sort of like large thing where like the main distribution thing on there on the project site was like, not through a CDN, but was through a bit torn link. [00:57:41] And then I realized, I was like, oh, they won’t let me have this sort of. Makes sense that because people would abuse the, the very fast, uh, corporate internet and also they probably don’t want Microsoft servers coming up in the logs of those places. I totally understand. Um, you are more than likely logged. [00:57:58] I don’t know if it would, [00:58:00] I don’t know what it is. Like if you were on your personal machine, like, do you have, is it like MDM managed, so on your personal machine or you basically your SSH then, so, okay. So if I’m understanding the scenario correctly, your personal machine doesn’t have any sort of like device management on it is your personal thing, but you are then SSH into your, um, like your titling through to access your other machine that is connected to your corporate VPN to then access resources. [00:58:28] Am I understanding that. [00:58:30] Brett: Right, but it has basically a grip that searches for only internet sub domains. And if it doesn’t match one of those, it sends it right back to be handled as, as usual. [00:58:44] Christina: Right, [00:58:45] Brett: the only traffic that I can possibly send through [00:58:48] Christina: No, no. Right. No, super. No. So for you, you’re fine. But I’m asking for, for Aaron, like when you’re doing this art in this scenario, are you SSH into like your other machine access that stuff? Or are you [00:59:00] like, are you meaning that you’re actually using your VPN on your like iMac [00:59:04] Erin: exactly dummy, simple, open any connect, you know, connect through the [00:59:09] Christina: access a work resource and then you’re doing other stuff? Yeah. It’s okay. It’s probably, Yeah. it’s probably being logged somewhere, but again, [00:59:21] Erin: But also who cares? [00:59:22] Christina: Right. I was going to say the one, like this is like, cause I’m like, uh I’m. I would like to be a separatist. I can’t be completely, our policies are pretty clear about what they will and won’t monitor, but I’m aware, like if I’m connected to like the VPN, like the bacon do stuff, although for personal machines, I think some of the stuff is slightly different, but I don’t know enough about the intricacies. [00:59:43] Murder. We’re talking about murder. [00:59:43] Christina: Um, I assume that they can monitor what websites, at least the URLs, like if not the content. Cause if it’s, you know, it’s HTTPS that can’t see what you’re, what you’re doing. They could at least see the domains. In which case, you know, like I said, like Oracle has how many, you [01:00:00] know, like they have over a hundred thousand employees. [01:00:02] Um, I’m sure that the logs expired a certain period of time. They don’t keep them, you know, forever people have better things to do that said. you murder someone, um, make sure you’re not connected to the VPN. And if you’re going to be Googling, like how do I hide the murder weapon? Don’t be locked into your Google account. Ideally be using different, you know, VPN service that has a no locking policy, uh, or, you know, um, like a burner laptop. That’s, that’s my advice for how to get away with murder, by the way, free advice for the audience there. Use a [01:00:37] Brett: to get away with it. Should that be the title of the episode? I was going to go with fuckboy island, but [01:00:43] Erin: Yeah. [01:00:44] Christina: get away with murder might be good. Uh, Yeah. [01:00:46] no, that, that w cause I, I don’t know about either of you, I watched like the crime shows and my whole thing is, even though I know that I would never get away with crimes because I would do something that would be stupid, uh, more than likely, like [01:01:00] I would do something to get caught, but I always think about like all the mistakes they make and like the op sec things. [01:01:06] And I’m like, man, okay. How would you do this to not get caught? Like that’s where my mind goes. Is does that make me like a fucked up person? [01:01:14] Brett: no, that’s my first, that’s my first consideration. [01:01:18] Christina: Yeah, because I always want to think about, go on. [01:01:22] Erin: has analytical people. We can cosplay as any thing we want and explore all those kinds of options. Should something happen to us? Like one of the, one of the reasons we dream rights supposedly is that like our, our brain is like, this is, this would be a scary scenario for you. So I’m going to simulate it and watch how you behave so that if, and when this ever happens, you might know what to do. [01:01:48] So I don’t think that makes you a weird person. I think we’re designed or a fucked up, I think we’re designed to do. However I did see, uh, online, um, uh, about this, like [01:02:00] about a way to, to get rid of a body that really struck me. And it’s really, really clever. The idea is that you would tell the police where a body is buried. [01:02:11] And so they’ll go out to this, this forest or whatever, and dig up where you told them where you tip them off. They don’t find anything. They put the dirt back, they look elsewhere. In the meantime, that’s where you put something that you want to hide because it’ll look like the fresh soil was dug up by the police and not by the killer. [01:02:34] Christina: Right, And then like, what is the likelihood That the overtaxed homicide department is, going to go back to the place they’ve already checked out? That’s clever. [01:02:44] Brett: That is, I imagine that that could work. I will never get to test it. Uh, I’m a vegetarian, so I just, I, I, I, I wish I wish I could have proof that that [01:03:00] worked, but also, I don’t think anyone would talk about it if it did. [01:03:04] Christina: Yeah, My only thing with that would be, you need to make sure you’re not a suspect because then you, cause if you worked and they probably are surveilling you and then they could like pick up on you, you [01:03:16] Brett: Based on all the cop shows I’ve watched. Yes [01:03:19] And then came Colombo [01:03:19] Christina: Yeah. I was going to say, um, grant and I were watching, um, a, uh, a Colombo rerun last night. Um, [01:03:26] Brett: One more thing. [01:03:27] Christina: Yeah, this is our final thing. [01:03:28] No, but it was really good. It’s called it was actually a really good episode. It was like written by Stephen J Cannell, the guy that went on to create the Rockford files in the team and, and, and shit. Um, and, uh, in this case, cause here, and then Greg is so annoyed with me because what I always do with, with these shows is I always root for the killer. [01:03:45] Like I want them to get away with it. Like I don’t want Columbia to crack the case. And Colombo of course is always going to crack the case. That’s the whole damn thing. Right. But I’m always like, no, man. I like really like want like the killer to like get away with it. And this guy was really clever and, and, and had [01:04:00] honestly, if it weren’t for some pop science from 1973, that they’d interjected into it, the rest of it was all circumstantial and they never, it never would have been, the Columbia never would have solved the case, but, uh, but Yeah, um, that, that, that just was reminded me of that. [01:04:15] Sorry. [01:04:16] Erin: that, that Peter folk is a tall glass of water. Isn’t that his name? [01:04:20] Christina: Yeah, I think [01:04:21] Brett: James Garner was better. [01:04:24] Christina: I, I mean, I don’t disagree. I mean, you know, James Garner was also on TV for fucking ever [01:04:30] Brett: I did love, I did love Columbia though. I’ve watched so many reruns of Colombo, [01:04:34] Christina: you see you and grant are like, so similar, [01:04:38] Brett: birds of a feather. [01:04:40] Christina: honestly. Cause like I, the Colombo shit like drives me crazy. Sometimes I’m like really Colombo and he’s like, no, it’s so good. And yeah, like, like, like you Erin, like I, I think grant is very into Peter Falk. I think that he thinks he’s of tall glass of water and uh, um, use very funny, um, actor, but, uh, yeah. [01:05:00] [01:05:00] Brett: You know what show gets really good in season four. [01:05:03] Christina: What’s that? [01:05:04] Brett: Speaking of like mystery crime solving shows, [01:05:08] Christina: Yeah, it does. [01:05:08] Brett: like I was enjoying Chuck, but then season four came along and holy shit, like I’m hooked. Like I want to watch it every night now. It’s, it’s goddamn good. Like I got to season whatever, five of community and it just kind of [01:05:23] Christina: It kind of fell off. Yeah. [01:05:26] Brett: So now it’s like, Chuck is my comfort show. Watch it every night before bed. Crazy. [01:05:31] Erin: if you, if you got to season and that’s the Sopranos for me right now, but if you got to season four, where you not already, huh? [01:05:39] Brett: I, I was enjoy. Like I like to always have, uh, at least one just comfortable show that I can kind of play my phone, play on my phone while it’s on half pay attention to, it’s just kind of like a way to let down after a busy day at work. Uh, and that’s been everything from Frazier [01:06:00] to, uh, what was, uh, the, the Bob hope show we did for a little while. [01:06:06] Like, it’s always just mostly old outdated TV, [01:06:09] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Um, [01:06:11] Brett: yeah, Chuck, Chuck was that [01:06:13] Christina: Um, have you watched either? Cause we just bought, we just recently got, uh, on our, um, Plex, um, all of ’em both a new heart and the Bob Newhart show and, uh, pop knew her as a fucking funny guy, man. [01:06:26] Brett: he, yeah, that show had a lot of, a lot of brilliant moments in it. [01:06:30] Christina: Yeah. But both of them were good. Right. [01:06:32] Brett: I didn’t, I didn’t see the second. I only saw it. Like, no, I was watching what’s it called? The new hearts. There was like a, [01:06:40] Christina: it was the, one of the N [01:06:42] Brett: I don’t know. [01:06:43] Christina: is the, so there’s cause there’s the Bob Newhart show where it was like, he’s a psychiatrist and any, he’s got his kind of, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, kind of, it’s like a kind of, you know, uh, sixties and like sitcoms and he’s a psychologist and, and, and. [01:07:00] It’s not dissimilar from Frazier in some regards, but it’s, it’s honestly very different and he’s very funny. [01:07:05] And then there’s new heart, which is, he’s like running an Inn. [01:07:10] Brett: yeah, that’s the one I’ve [01:07:12] Christina: Okay. So, so the Bob Newhart show, which was a decade earlier is also great, but it’s very funny. And the thing is, is that if you watch the Bob Newhart show, then the series finale of new heart will make more sense because, and this is why this is a spoiler and I’m sorry, but it’s been 30 years audience. [01:07:27] You’ve been whatever. And it’s at this point a known trope, but the series finale of new heart is considered one of the greatest of all time because it ends and in this was also a trope at the time in the eighties where like, it was just a dream. That was a thing that they did on Dallas and shit like that. [01:07:43] He wakes up. And he’s in bed, not with his wife from new heart, but with his wife, from the Bob Newhart show in his character, from the Bob Newhart show. And he’s like, I just had the weirdest dream and starts talking about all these crazy people. They were in his life. And like that is considered like hands [01:08:00] down, like one of the greatest, like TD finales of all time. [01:08:03] Like they didn’t do any how I met your mother ruining it. Shit. That’s like a, like up there with St. Elsewhere. And the Sopranos. Speaking of stuff that you, as your comfort show Aaron as like one of the greatest finales of all time. [01:08:14] Erin: I can’t wait. [01:08:16] Brett: All right. So I feel like I need we’re 20 minutes late for an optional meeting right now, but I feel like I really need to start both the Sopranos and the wire, because I’ve never seen either. [01:08:27] Christina: Oh my God. I’m so excited for this. Okay. So Aaron, is this your first time watching the Sopranos? [01:08:33] Erin: Yes, it is season five, baby. [01:08:36] Christina: a season five. Okay. All right. So you were watching some of the greatest television ever. Um, so I’m, I’m excited for you to see how it ends because it, it does it very well. And unfortunately, because, um, James Gandolfini died, like it is, you know, kind of like the, uh, we won’t ever get like our revisitation with at least him anyway, but, but David Chase [01:09:00] who created, uh, well, he wrote for Rockford files, speaking of Rockford files, um, and, uh, um, Northern exposure and stuff, but Yeah. [01:09:08] uh, there’s a really good book that I need to find, um, that I think he attributed to, um, about the Sopranos. [01:09:15] So the book is called, um, difficult men behind the scenes of a creative revolution from, um, uh, the Sopranos and the wire to mad men and breaking bad by Brett Martin. It came out in 2014. It’s a really, really good book. Um, and, uh, that is good. So you need to watch the Sopranos Bret because 20 years on, I’m actually mad. [01:09:35] Well, now you’re in rehab in New York doing other stuff and you thought you were too cool for HBO. I get it. You thought you were too cool for HBO. You weren’t, but, but you thought you were, um, Aaron, have you watched the wire? [01:09:47] Erin: I have I watched up to season two. Um, but yeah, kind of, kind of fell off and, and let me just say really quickly, the reason that I started the Sopranos is because I’m getting a pretty [01:10:00] major surgery next month and we’ll have a lot of like bed rest time to recover. And I wanted to start something with like a really steep catalog, lots hours to watch, but like I wanted to save like maybe 30 hours and I couldn’t do it. [01:10:18] I had to keep watching. So [01:10:20] Christina: Yeah, no. Which [01:10:21] Erin: the wire too in recovery. [01:10:23] Christina: should, you should both watch the wire. Um, because the thing is, is that I think Like because the wire, every season has like a different focus area. Um, Brett and, um, [01:10:33] Brett: Like true detective. [01:10:35] Christina: um, no, not really. It’s more like an investigation into a different part of like the city. Like there’s one season, like season four, I think is all about like the education system and, you know, some things are about kind of like the, you know, some of, some of the, and kind of the impact of, of drugs and, and that sort of thing, like on like, you have like similar characters who go throughout all of those seasons, but it’s, it’s focused on like a different area. [01:10:59] [01:11:00] Um, I, I don’t know. I think David Simon is brilliant. The wire. It’s one of those things where I don’t want to, like, over-hype the show. I don’t know how much you will love it. I think it’s some of the best television That’s ever existed. Um, I mean, I okay. My, no, but I do like, okay, so David Simon’s book, I’m just going to. [01:11:20] Like Christina out for a second. Um, clearly it drink kicked [01:11:23] Brett: what we’re all here for. [01:11:25] Christina: So in 1991, David Simon wrote a book called and I’m going on memory here. So I think it was 1991. You wrote a book called, um, homicide a year on the killing streets where he was embedded. I believe it was 1989 with the, um, Baltimore homicide division for a year. [01:11:43] He’s a reporter for the Baltimore sun. And he was embedded with the homicide team for a year. And like, they let him basically see everything and like he’d lays out like the rules of what he was and wasn’t allowed to do at the beginning. And then like he didn’t interfere, but he was kind of a fly on the wall and he captured everything. [01:11:58] And at the time Baltimore was [01:12:00] like the most deadly city in America and had like a ridiculous number of unsolved rates and whatever stuff. The book is a phenomenal piece of journalism. I just want to say it’s a phenomenal kind of like work of art in and of itself that went on to be the basis for what I consider one of the greatest network television shows of all time. [01:12:19] Um, homicide, um, um, uh, life on the streets, which aired on NBC, the final seasons, weren’t quite as good because the network fucked it up, but it it’s tremendous television it’s unfortunately not on streaming. You can find it on other places because they released it all on DVD. Um, that was created by a guy named Tom, Tom Fontana. [01:12:39] They shot it in Baltimore and, and used, you know, um, a lot of the actors who were in homicide, you’ll also see in the wire. You’ll also see in Tom Fontana’s other show Oz, which I think is tremendous, even though it’s very pulpy. Um, David Simon started writing for television on homicide. He came in, I think like the third season and then he adapted or helped adapt his [01:13:00] second book called the corner into a mini series for. [01:13:02] HBO. [01:13:03] And that kind of kicked off, I guess, the idea with HBO of, Hey, Let’s let’s do the wire and, and, and the wire is, is, uh, often lauded as like the greatest television show. You know, one of the greatest television shows of all time. I don’t know if I’d go that far. I think it’s certainly up there. Um, and, and it’s, uh, like it, it’s 60 episodes. [01:13:27] So if you need like hours, Aaron, like that might be a good one to look at. Um, it’s on HBO max or whatever. It’s it’s really good. Have you watched the Americans? Aaron. [01:13:42] Erin: Hell. Yeah, it’s so [01:13:43] Christina: Okay. Okay. Cause, cause I, my opinion, the Americans was the greatest show of the 2010s. One of the greatest shows like of this century. Um, so if you liked the Americans, then I think that you would like, obviously other aspects, like you only got through two seasons, but I think like maybe [01:14:00] watch more of the wire because, um, it’s, it’s really strong. [01:14:07] Erin: So we can start oh, with a bachelor in paradise in a wire rewatch podcast is what you’re saying. [01:14:13] Christina: Yeah. 100%. Cause I really think that. [01:14:16] that’s what we need. We need like really gritty, like drug, like drama and like, uh, like, uh, indictment of the system, which is what I love about what I love about all of Simon’s work and like [01:14:28] Erin: Uh Bacchanalia and celebration of, of lust. [01:14:32] Brett: Is that one podcast or two, [01:14:35] Christina: I mean, it should [01:14:36] Brett: to combine the [01:14:38] Christina: I mean, I mean, it should be too, but I honestly feel like it should be one. Like, I [01:14:42] Brett: can like a super bipolar, you could like split it down the middle, have a sponsor break in the middle and then you switch to like dark. Yeah. Yeah. [01:14:50] Christina: we will have five listeners, but I kind of love this idea. [01:14:53] Erin: A small, but dedicated nature, [01:14:57] Brett: I’m working on a new podcast right now. That’ll [01:15:00] probably have five listeners. Maybe it’ll get off the ground. [01:15:02] Christina: was that? [01:15:03] Brett: It’s a, it’s a secret project for the time being, I will definitely hype it when it’s ready, but we’re, we’re recording a bunch of stuff in advance and trying to figure out exactly what our format’s going to be. [01:15:16] And I think we’re going to do like a half hour podcast. It’ll be interesting. I promise. Um, but I will, I will give you more details. [01:15:25] Erin: It’s about VPN. You can say it. It’s a podcast dedicated to your VPN project. [01:15:30] Christina: Yeah. [01:15:30] Brett: No, I’m I’m [01:15:31] Christina: called, it’s called Bret P N. [01:15:33] Brett: no, I’m doing a podcast with Mr. X. We’re doing like a turnaround hooch. [01:15:39] Christina: You’re doing a Turner and hooch thing. Where, where it’s, it’s like normy normy and the [01:15:43] Brett: He is, he is clearly hooch. [01:15:45] Christina: clearly. [01:15:47] Brett: Yes. [01:15:47] Christina: wait, was, was hooch the dog or was, was hooch. Um, [01:15:52] Brett: which was the dog, you know, I’ll be honest. I’ve never seen it. [01:15:56] Christina: you know, I don’t think I have either. I just know it has Tom Hanks in it and, um, and [01:16:00] it was kind of a flop. [01:16:01] Brett: Cause I heard, it [01:16:03] Christina: You know, I don’t know. I, [01:16:04] Brett: part of the zeitgeists [01:16:06] Christina: part of the zeitgeists but, uh, but for some reason I thought it was a flop. I thought it was one of those that. didn’t do super well. I don’t know it. No. Um, no, it Did well budgeted 13 million box office, 71.1 million. They didn’t have a big marketing budget. No, it was a hit. [01:16:18] Okay. I don’t know. I [01:16:19] Brett: just flash like Chuck. [01:16:21] Christina: no, I had to look that up on Wikipedia. Uh, I, I wish I could flashlight Chuck for that. I flashlight Chuck during the homicide, a wire like freak out. That was sadly completely from memory, um, that I did not actually reference Wikipedia at all for which is messed up. But, um, uh, I did have to look this up. [01:16:41] Uh, I knew that it was, I knew it was touchdown. I knew it was Disney. That’s the fucked up thing. I knew. I knew that studio. I didn’t know the other details. Why did I know the studio? The movie came out when I was five years old. I have no idea, but yeah. [01:16:54] Brett: We should go. Hey Aaron. Thanks for coming. [01:16:58] Erin: Been an honor. [01:17:00] you. [01:17:00] Brett: You’ve been, you’ve been a swell gas. We’ll have you back again. [01:17:03] Christina: definitely have you back [01:17:05] Erin: forward to it. You. [01:17:06] Brett: All right. Well, Aaron, Christina gets some sleep. [01:17:10] Christina: Get some sleep, Brett and Erin. [01:17:11] Erin: Get some sneakers, CNN, Brett.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 250 [00:00:00] Brett: Hey, Christina. I actually don’t know who’s wicked as through the intro. [00:00:08] Christina: I think it’s your week, Brett. [00:00:10] Brett: Is it okay? Hey, everybody, you’re listening to over tired and I’m Brett Terpstra and I am here as always with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you? [00:00:20] Christina: I’m good. I’m tired. Um, uh, per the name of the show, but yeah, exactly, exactly. But I’m good. [00:00:28] Brett: That is that. Yeah, I’m, I’m in kind of the same boat. I’ve got up at four 30 this morning, which is an hour before I intended to get. So, um, I got that like tinge of tire, but also I went to bed at like nine 30. So it’s not like a horrible, horrible night’s sleep. I got a good seven hours. I’m okay. I’m not at my, like a hundred percent fully awake, but, but I can make this work. [00:00:54] I have a, I have a hard out for workshop today. So this episode might not be the [00:01:00] full 60 minutes, but I would, I would say we’ll get a full 50 minutes out. [00:01:05] Christina: Yeah. this’ll be w w we’ll we’ll give you your, your overtired money worth, right? [00:01:10] Brett: Yeah. Well, we’ll cram 60 minutes of content into just 50 minutes. That’s our guarantee. [00:01:18] Christina: That is our guarantee. [00:01:19] Brett: So do I sound good? [00:01:20] Christina: I was going to say, you sound really good. [00:01:23] Brett: Aye. Aye. Aye. Finally, after years of buying like one, maybe $200 microphone. And like then, you know, a year later buying a new microphone. I figured I’m just going to do the thing I always should have done and get the shirt [00:01:41] So now I have a, I have the legendary vocal podcasting radio microphone that is kind of the industry standard and it it’s like 400 bucks, but I shouldn’t have to buy another microphone. [00:01:58] Christina: no, no. I have one too. [00:02:00] I’m not using it because I’ve needed to set mine up. It’s a whole thing, but I’ve used it previously when we’ve recorded and, uh, it is an amazing mic. It’s the Michael Jackson one. [00:02:10] Brett: Is it really? What does that mean? Exactly? [00:02:13] Christina: uh, that means I I’m almost positive that that is the mic that he used when he recorded. [00:02:19] Brett: Oh, now, like it’s a microphone that inappropriately touches children. [00:02:24] Christina: No, no, it is not a molesting, uh, microphone. Uh, it, it, it is a, the majority, it’s not a pejorative is actually like in a good way. Uh, uh, I mean, I’m sure that the shore people at this point probably are like conflicted. They’re like, okay, on the one hand, one of the greatest albums of all. And, and Quincy Jones, you know, certainly one of the greatest producers of all time and, and, and, you know, fantastic recording. [00:02:51] On the other hand, the legacy of Michael Jackson, uh, is, shall we say complicated? [00:02:57] Brett: Yeah. So like the me too movement [00:03:00] really brought the idea of a second. Art from the artist, uh, to the forefront. But Michael Jackson was kind of the first time that in my life, we had to deal with like this amazing body of work and this irredeemable person, and being able to appreciate that work without justifying the actions of a monster. [00:03:26] Christina: no, I agree with that. And I think what’s for me anyway, what’s harder with Michael and it’s, and it’s an interesting thing because I almost feel like. I have to separate, like I can see Michael Jackson before 1993, which was when the first allegations against him became public. And after 1993, and I kind of feel like post 1993, Michael Jackson, like even the music and like, I, I want nothing to do with it. [00:03:54] Um, the, the pre stuff, you know, I can still really respect, [00:04:00] but yeah. [00:04:00] Brett: Did he do anything good after 93? [00:04:02] Christina: I don’t think he did his is actually I think what helps there. But The the, the broader, I think challenge for me is that I’m like, I’m not even really, I don’t even really want to engage with any of that content. Right. Like it it’s like, I don’t know. [00:04:16] I don’t even want to know, like to find out, like, I think that there was like, cause he had the Lisa Marie Presley era and there, there was his, his history, you know, double anthology thing. And I don’t know, there might’ve been like one or two hits there, but, but I think that it was. Uh, you know, it was kind of like, like black or away. [00:04:36] White is probably like the last [00:04:38] Brett: the ironically titled black or white. [00:04:41] Christina: Featuring Macaulay, Culkin, who to be fair has never claimed any impropriety. Uh, and I believe him, I think that there’d be no reason that, that he would like be, I mean, look, it’s not anyone’s business, but, but I feel like, you know, other people come forward, like there wouldn’t be any reason for him to, to not come forward. [00:04:58] Um, I [00:05:00] also feel like Macaulay Culkin was probably not an ideal victim for him because he was so incredibly like famous. Uh, [00:05:11] Brett: R Kelly wouldn’t fuck with another pop star. [00:05:14] Christina: exactly like, like, right, like even R Kelly, it’s like, okay. He, he groomed and, and really fuck with Aaliyah and, and like illegally married her and then her parents found out. We’re we’re putting an end to this because she is 15 years old. [00:05:31] R Kelly and, and, and you’ve released an album that you’ve produced called age. You know, it was just a number. Um, but, but they like, you know, you know, squashed all of that, but like after her star. [00:05:44] was on the rise, it wasn’t like he was going back to the Aaliyah. Like, you know, like, I guess faucet or whatever. [00:05:54] I don’t know. [00:05:54] Brett: So can you do, do you still listen, like Ryan Adams did that [00:06:00] Taylor swift cover album? That was, it was pretty fantastic. Like, can you still listen to that? [00:06:06] Christina: So it’s, it’s weird. Cause I was such a huge Ryan Adams fan, like for, you know, for 20 years, like I’ve, I’ve been a fan of his since high school and, um, [00:06:16] Brett: at what he does. [00:06:17] Christina: He’s very good at what he does. [00:06:18] And it’s hard because when the allegations came out like that gutted me, I was just like, God, this, this is hard. [00:06:25] I don’t like go out of my way necessarily to listen to his work, but it stuff does come up like on my weekly apple, like my favorites playlist. I don’t skip it. [00:06:37] Brett: Okay. [00:06:37] Christina: Like, you know, I don’t go out of my way to listen to it, but I don’t skip it, but it’s weird because like, you know, um, I actually wasn’t that familiar. [00:06:47] I’d heard of her before and I knew of her, but I wasn’t like super familiar with her work, but PA Bridgers, who I really, really like was someone who came forward, like in that New York times expos and was like, he groomed me and he [00:07:00] was gross and he was, you know, inappropriate and whatever. And, um, And I really like her work now. [00:07:05] And so it was like this weird conflicted feeling. Right. [00:07:08] And then like you hear from Mandy Moore and you hear from other people and you’re like, fuck, like this guy sucks. Um, the thing that slightly makes it easier with him, I think at least for me is I can, somehow I can be like, Okay. [00:07:20] Well, what do you did is terrible and I’m not defending it, but it’s not child molestation. [00:07:25] Brett: Yeah. [00:07:26] Christina: Like. But, but yeah, but it’s hard. Like art versus artists is just such a hard thing. Like when I found out Roald Dahl was an anti-Semite and like a terrible person like that crushed me, but I still have like exceeded love for his books from childhood. [00:07:43] Brett: Walt Disney was a Nazi. So I think there’s this weird line that I, I unconsciously draw. Like I used to, I used to appreciate not love, but appreciate Marilyn Manson. Uh, like he had a lot of songs, [00:08:00] everything from like Como white, up through a seven day Benj. Like there were a lot of songs that I was like, these are cool. [00:08:07] This is, this is, I like this. But as soon as like he got taken down, I can no longer listen to it. It comes up and I just skip it. Cause I just, I never liked it enough, but like, I’m not going to give up on Disney. I’m not going to stop watching Marvel movies because of like Disney, Walt Disney’s character. [00:08:25] Christina: No. Absolutely see is easier to innocence in that. Like, it wasn’t one person, it was a collective, you know what I mean? Like he was the CEO and he might’ve created the Mickey mouse character, although that’s debatable too, you know, but, but he was the primary, you know, author or whatever, but like, [00:08:42] Brett: Yeah. Well, and you could say the same about like Harvey Weinstein [00:08:46] Christina: Oh, yeah, Harvey Weinstein. I, I don’t like, look, he was a producer, um, uh, eight, there was like a film that we knew of definitively that like, The way it was made. There’s something really [00:09:00] terrible. That happened. That’s one thing, but I’m not going to not watch Miramax stuff because a, in most cases, like whatever, he, he did all the horrible things that he did, like are usually like book. [00:09:17] A lot of art comes from paint and a lot of terrible things happen behind the scenes with kind of anything. and. [00:09:21] if we try to, at least for me, we try to apply those sorts of moral standards. We could never enjoy or consume anything or talk to anyone. Right. Because we’ve all in some way descended from people who’ve done bad things. [00:09:36] Um, [00:09:37] Brett: Yes. [00:09:38] Christina: you know what I mean? But, but like, Um, yeah, but yeah, for, for, well, Disney is one of those things. There’s like, I’m not going to Revere the guy. And like, maybe when I see like the statue of him at Disney world, I’m like in my head, I’m kind of like Lall, but yeah, I, I don’t, I don’t have that, that same issue. [00:09:57] Same thing with like, um, like you said, with, [00:10:00] with Miramax stuff, like it’s like, Okay. [00:10:03] Yeah. The guy who ran the studio was a really, really shitty person. [00:10:07] Brett: Are there any movies that like. Really good, but have a sorted enough backstory that, that people won’t watch them anymore. [00:10:16] Christina: Hm. [00:10:17] Brett: I can’t think of any offhand. [00:10:19] Christina: I can’t either. I’m sure there are some, [00:10:21] Brett: Oh, I’m sure. I’m sure, [00:10:23] Christina: We’ll get in front of thing. Like if you knew like how it happened, like I’m sure. Yeah. I’m sure, [00:10:27] that there are some, like, if you knew that there were like rumors enough, I don’t know. I know a lot of people have problems with Woody Allen stuff. Um, and I, and I can understand that cause he’s close to [00:10:38] Brett: sure. Yeah. That’s true. Well in any stars and a lot. Yeah. [00:10:41] Christina: well that’s what I mean, like, like, like he’s, he’s not just like the Artwar in the sense of like the director and the writer, but is often, you know, the star and whatnot. [00:10:50] And so I could see people having a problem with that for me. Like again, it’s one of those things I can’t see myself choosing to engage with his new [00:11:00] film. But I am not going to discount the artistic merit of his, of his past. Thanks. [00:11:09] Brett: We just killed 10 minutes of our show talking about something that was in no way on our list. [00:11:14] Christina: I know, [00:11:15] Brett: What’s the point of lists even. [00:11:17] Christina: What is the point of loss? He said, no, it would have been well, but we got there. It could, because you’ve got your brand new mic, which is. [00:11:23] Brett: Yes in a very, uh, ADHD, conversational path. We, we did, we got from a new microphone to Walt Disney as a Nazi and under 10 minutes, [00:11:37] Christina: Okay. [00:11:38] Brett: nicely done. So did I tell you, uh, about the new, new tricks I figured out with having multiple streams? [00:11:46] Christina: No, you didn’t. Cause we talked about how you did like your, um, touch bar, you know, thing, but, but, but no, we didn’t, I didn’t hear about the multiple stream deck tricks. [00:11:56] Brett: I actually have my stream deck set up to toggle my touch [00:12:00] bar simulator on and off. But that is not part of this trick. So on my, I have a, uh, what, 15 key. Yeah, 15 key stream deck that sits flat next to my keyboard where my left hand can control it. And then I have a six button stream deck. That’s. Um, yeah, on my desk, in front of me where it’s like super visible and I can hit it with the index finger of my right hand, but I love that, uh, you can assign applications to change profiles. [00:12:34] So when I switched to like VLC, the, the video controls come up and if I switched to Spotify, the Spotify controls come up. But when you switch away from the end, Uh, it, it switches the profile back. Ah, okay. So it’s 50 50. Sometimes it switches the profile back. And what good is a Spotify controller, if you can’t control it when you’re not actually in Spotify, [00:13:00] like if I have the Spotify app loaded up, I don’t need a fucking stream deck. [00:13:05] And then sometimes it fails to switch. When you leave the app, leaving a profile that has like no relevance outside of the app. So I’ve kind of given up on the app based profile switching and I just made on my 15 button stream deck. I have a button called mini. And when I hit it, it brings up, uh, a page of, uh, mini profiles. [00:13:32] So I can just hit like zoom or VLC or ScreenFlow. And it loads up on the six button, um, mini it loads up a profile specific to whatever I request. So it’s a little more manual, but it gives me like the nice thing about it is if you are working with justice stream deck, many, you always have to put exit buttons. [00:13:55] So one of your buttons always goes to like exiting [00:14:00] and [00:14:00] Christina: So, so you’re always like losing. So you’re losing like, you know, like a, like a sixth of your buttons. [00:14:07] Brett: And, six buttons is way more handy than five buttons. Like if it were, if it were on my 15 and I was losing one 14, isn’t that much different than 50. [00:14:15] Christina: Exactly. But, but, but six and five. Yeah. It’s like, it’s just like a significant amount. [00:14:19] Brett: Yeah. So, so being able to switch the profiles manually from my, with my left hand has given me like a whole range of new options on the mini. I love it. It’s it’s a cool trick. I think everyone should have to, to stream decks. [00:14:36] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I have the XL, so I kind of have. The equivalent of that. Um, but [00:14:43] Brett: The XL would take me too long to find the button I’m looking for. [00:14:47] Christina: Yeah. that is kind of an issue with it, but I, for me, it was one of those things where I knew that the, the small one, like the, the was going to be too small. And I felt like that the normal size, when I was like, maybe this won’t [00:15:00] be enough. I was like, I could see where I was going to be like, oh, I’ll want to, or whatever. [00:15:04] So it was like, I’ll just get the giant one. [00:15:05] Brett: Yeah, Yeah, no, I could see that. I can, I can see how I might be super happy with, you know, how many buttons are on the giant one, [00:15:14] Christina: I don’t even know. I think it’s like 20 I think it’s 20 [00:15:18] Brett: Um, yeah, I could see myself really like getting into that, but also it would take so long to build the profile. [00:15:26] Christina: that that’s that’s that’s the thing is that, yeah. It’s it’s um, like it takes a lot to do that. So sometimes you don’t. Oh, it’s, it’s a it’s 32. So. So, yeah, so it’s like, yeah. So I don’t use them all, like it’s one of those things. [00:15:41] Brett: You can buy ready-made like kits for like, uh, DaVinci resolve and final cut. And, uh, I couldn’t find any for apps that I actually thought the stream deck would be useful for. Um, although I could use the DaVinci resolve one, I think it, it didn’t seem worth the money [00:16:00] to me, but like that could save you some time that you use the stream deck software later. [00:16:06] Christina: Yeah. [00:16:07] Brett: Have you seen that? They added a whole icon library and sound effect library. [00:16:13] Christina: Yes. Yes. And I haven’t, it is very cool. [00:16:17] And I, haven’t gotten to the thing of like using it as a soundboard yet, but I was like, I was, I’m very excited to configure that. [00:16:24] Brett: I, I did set up, uh, some, some profiles for, uh, soundboard stuff, but right now the way it’s I have my audio set up, I fucked something up and like, so I can do, I can hit my FX button and then hit. Okay. [00:16:45] Christina: Yeah. [00:16:48] Brett: Except. Okay. So I thought that was broken, but I could actually hear that. [00:16:53] Christina: Okay. Awesome. Cause I heard that. [00:16:56] too. [00:16:58] Brett: See it works. [00:17:00] Yeah. So anyway, icons though, I love, because I used to always have to go to the stream deck website and use their little icon generator to make just a stupid like microphone icon. Now there’s a huge library of some pretty good icons. So yeah. Anyway, what the, let’s see, I have a bleep button except there’s like, go one second. [00:17:23] Pause. So you can’t actually live bleep anything with it. [00:17:27] Christina: This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, they just redesigned the original stream deck. And I, and as far as I can tell, like, they didn’t actually change anything. Functionality wise. They just like added like a different, like a faceplate option. If you [00:17:41] Brett: Yeah, right. Customizable. Like you have like three options, but. [00:17:45] Christina: Yeah, which is cool. [00:17:47] And I’m sure we’ll make them. And it does look a little bit better, but, but I was, I was kinda glad they didn’t change anything functionality wise. Cause I was like, I have the XL. I don’t want to get like a lesser thing, but at the same time, I’m [00:18:00] like a sucker for anything shiny and new. So. Um, I I’m glad I don’t have to do that. [00:18:06] but Yeah, but they did just redesign it. [00:18:08] And ironically, they came out with the stream deck mark to the same day that the steam deck was announced. [00:18:15] Brett: that. [00:18:16] Christina: I was like, God dammit, valve. Like, you know, it’s hard enough. Like, and so I always I’m, I’m going to forever. And I think I’m not alone in this is like, everyone is going to be calling the steam deck, the stream deck. [00:18:28] Like it’s just, it’s inevitable. [00:18:31] Brett: it was an easy enough slip of the tongue to begin with. [00:18:33] Christina: It was, it was, it was already like close up and then you’re just like, you’re like bow, really? Like I get why it’s a good name. What it’s so close to this other thing, like, could you just have not an anvil? It was [00:18:47] Brett: especially considering their, their markets definitely overlap. [00:18:52] Christina: yes. I was going to say that’s the thing is that like people who will be getting the steam deck. Like maybe [00:19:00] that in and of itself. Won’t, I mean, I guess it will be powerful enough to do some streaming from, although that’s not going to be like its main thing, but there are definitely people who will be streaming their steam deck. [00:19:11] Right? Like that’s not even a question. Like people will be configuring it with OBS. Like I use mine. Iceland. Um, people’s things that I found with like pre-configured ops stuff, which is really useful. And then, you know, customize some of the macros and whatnot. Like, you know, it, it would be very useful for like, you’ll, you know, it’s very useful for that, but like, yeah, people will definitely have that overlap. [00:19:30] I’m like really come on valve. Um, cause it’s not as if again, like at this point it’s so interesting. Oh God, we’ve talked about this before. This European, like Mac hardware and software maker. Right. They made like the ITB software, like they were like a Mac company and then they. Went hard into the streaming space and sold to Corsair. [00:19:54] And now they are like their brand and they are incredibly good at it. And I’ve given them so much money, which is why I was [00:20:00] mad that they were, um, that their support. Wasn’t great with you. Although you ended up, it ended up working out, um, I’ve given them So much money, but they, like, they literally make like all the best higher end streaming gear. [00:20:13] Like that is their thing. And it’s, it’s just, it’s really funny that they’ve just become like those people. [00:20:19] Brett: I want to come back to OBS in a second. But I also remember, I was excited that I got the face cam from El Gato. It, it crashes my computer. Like it didn’t happen until the first time I used it in a zoom call and it was about 10 minutes into the zoom call. I went to click my track pad and you know how the magic track pad is. [00:20:45] Uh, what’s it like tactile, uh, like if it doesn’t have power, it doesn’t click. Like there’s, there’s no physical movement to it. And all of a sudden, I. [00:20:56] Christina: Cause it’s yeah. [00:20:57] Brett: Yeah, couldn’t click and there was still audio. Like I could [00:21:00] still hear things, but I couldn’t click. And then about 10 seconds later, my computer just shut down. [00:21:06] So I, I reboot, I get back on the zoom call. I make it through to the end of the meeting. And then as I go to hit the leave meeting button, no click again, and the computer reboots, it took me a while to pinpoint that it was the face cam, but I am 99%. Sure. But since unplugging the face cam and going back to my lodger tech, it hasn’t, my computer hasn’t crashed once, so I should open a support ticket or, or ask for a refund. [00:21:35] But as of right now, I am not using the face [00:21:38] Christina: Yeah, you definitely need to open a support ticket and or ask for a refund. Right? You, you know, do that. Um, it’s interesting because, uh, if that one, for whatever reason doesn’t work, Logitech did just come out with a 4k camera. [00:21:52] Um, that is similar. I believe that also doesn’t have like a microphone on it. [00:21:57] Brett: The real, the selling point. The reason [00:22:00] I wanted this camera is that you can store zoom settings in the hardware. [00:22:06] Christina: nice. [00:22:07] Brett: So like with my, like, I think I talked about this, but with the green screen that goes on the back of my chair. My 10 80 P logic tech camera gets too wide and you can see beyond the edge of the green screen. [00:22:20] So all I wanted to do with zoom it in about 10% cut out the edges. And I had been doing it with a webcam settings, the app, and that has to be running. And sometimes zoom like overrides it. And like in the middle of a meeting, all of a sudden, like my green screen will break. So I w I just want her to, I want it to be able to save the setting into the hardware. [00:22:42] That was the only reason the face cam was better than this pretty cool lodger tech camera. I have. So [00:22:48] Christina: Right. So this is the whole reason. Yeah. So, so that doesn’t work. [00:22:52] then you don’t. Yeah. I mean, honestly, yeah. So that’s, that’s the whole reason you wanted it, so, yeah. That’s um, [00:22:58] Brett: And that part does work well. [00:23:00] Um, it loses its zoom is extra fuzzy. Like you zoom it even in like 5% and everything gets blurry, which kind of sucks. But anyway, Anyway. Oh, so OBS and then we’ll take a sponsor break cause Jesus, we’re already halfway in. Actually let’s do a sponsor break first. [00:23:23] Christina: Yeah. [00:23:23] Brett: Uh, we are super happy to have upstart as a sponsor. [00:23:27] Again, this week. If you dread looking at your credit card statement, you’re not alone. Debt can feel crippling, but upstart can help you on your path to financial freedom. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pass your debt with a personal loan all online, whether it’s paying off credit cards, consolidating high interest debt, or funding, personal expenses. [00:23:47] Over half a million people have used upsert to get simple. Fixed monthly payments. I’ve personally used upsert to get myself out of credit card debt. I crude it over some financial rough times. 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So they know that we sent you [00:25:00] a loan amounts will be determined based on your credit income and certain other information provided in your loan application. [00:25:07] Go to upstart.com. Over tired. Thanks, upstart. [00:25:13] Christina: Excellent. [00:25:14] Brett: Yeah. So, uh, we did that, uh, that hands-on lab, uh, Oracle last week. And, uh, w w we ran into this issue where the zoom recording was basically shit quality, and I suggested maybe we should use OBS. Okay. And record like screens directly instead of going through, like it wasn’t zoom like the cloud record, which is whole, that is awful. [00:25:43] Christina: Right. That’s a whole other thing. [00:25:45] Brett: But it was like a local record, but the, the, the quality was terrible. Um, and, uh, my, one of my managers said that OBS always crashed her PC. She had tried [00:26:00] it once. Uh, she liked the promise of it, but that she found it impractical. And I can understand, like, you don’t want your machine to crash in the middle of a live presentation. [00:26:11] Uh, you know, like a web. But like, I think you could, you could work out those bugs ahead of time. It would be so nice to like, be able to use OBS for that kind of thing. Plus you could have like lower thirds and, uh, title sequences. It could be, I, I want to get that working. [00:26:31] Christina: Yeah. [00:26:32] no, I think you should, you should definitely look into that. And, and cause I think you could totally make it work. It is a challenge in terms of making sure people can have their machines configured and whatnot, if they need to record it on their end. But if you can have somebody who ideally is even like tasked with, we are the person who is going to be the, you know, like. [00:26:51] Recorder slash streamer. Um, you could definitely make that work. I put a link in our show notes. This is an option. It’s not as [00:27:00] robust as OBS, obviously, but it works in the web browser and it’s very good. And it allows for a role of someone to be the producer who can load in things like pre-roll. You can add in lower thirds, you can do other stuff. [00:27:14] And then what’s nice about it is that for the attendees and stuff, like they just join it. You can still even broadcast this, you know, to something like a, like a zoom output or, or something else. And it’s called stream yard. Um, and, um, we use it, um, um, at Microsoft a lot, um, their, uh, their prices. Is really good. [00:27:37] Like actually it was difficult. Uh, I think the whole reason they even have an enterprise thing at this point or business thing is because we kind of forced them to, um, like have a way that we could. Bill for it and, and have some like the, the, I guess, requirements that were needed because the individual subscription stuff is actually [00:28:00] really inexpensive. [00:28:00] But I would say if ops is not a solution, then, um, uh, I would. [00:28:07] Brett: might be awesome. [00:28:08] Christina: Look at it because it’s, it’s not it’s. I think it’s like, it’s like, um, $20 a month for basic, uh, plan, um, uh, $40 a month for the, for the professional. Um, what we typically do, uh, is like, we, we only pay for, I think, like a handful of seats and then, you know, people kind of share it, but the thing is is that like you can invite like guests. [00:28:33] Who don’t need to have an account at all. And, and they can just, you know, use stream yard, and then you can use it to broadcast and record and stuff. And it’s actually really good. So OBS is awesome. And, uh, I actually give $20 a month to the lead developer on Patrion. Um, because I think that it’s such a good program and, and such an important thing, but, uh, but stream yard is a really good browser-based thing for those situations where.[00:29:00] [00:29:00] You know, you can’t rely on, on people to be able to configure OBS on their end and whatnot. Cause it is a lot. [00:29:06] Brett: So I I’m like paying for software is, uh, not a problem. I was told by one of my managers that the manager who controls budget requests that we needed to make more budget requests. Uh, that they have a budget to spend and we need to look like we’re spending, I probably shouldn’t be saying this out loud. [00:29:32] This is like [00:29:32] Christina: No, no, no, no, no, [00:29:33] Brett: made, but [00:29:34] Christina: but that’s how most businesses work, right. Like you, if you don’t spend your money, you will not get it the next [00:29:40] Brett: right. And so, uh, I think I mentioned a while back that I was going to order a bunch of video equipment cause I was going to become, uh, an on-air personality for Oracle. Um, I had been dragging my feet on it. Just, I don’t know why. Um, but there wasn’t an ER, we weren’t ready to [00:30:00] start that program yet, so I wasn’t rushing, but so I’m speaking at virtual max doc this year. [00:30:06] Um, again, and I wasn’t sure I was going to do it. And then Mike said, oh, [00:30:12] Christina: but you can. talk, you’re going to talk about. [00:30:13] Brett: Yeah, you can present on one of your projects. So I’m totally in, I wrote the whole presentation already recorded all the screencast and then. Um, I, I need to, I need to talking head on this. Like no one wants to watch a screencast for 20 minutes and least I wouldn’t. [00:30:28] Um, so I went ahead and I ordered all my fancy new equipment and it’s showing up piecemeal, but the first thing I got in the mail was a teleprompter and it attaches to the lens of the camera. And then you stick your iPhone in it, and there’s an app that it scrolls on the iPhone, then there’s a mirror. So you basically, you’re looking directly at the camera lens while you’re reading [00:30:59] Christina: [00:31:00] right. [00:31:00] Brett: like 99 bucks. [00:31:02] It’s really cool. I should. [00:31:03] Christina: Yeah, share which one you got because I need a teleprompter. I have an iPad app that I use and there’s a Mac app for it to actually, um, teleprompter plus, [00:31:12] Brett: Yeah, I have that. And I’ll probably actually use teleprompter plus plus with it’s it’s called the pad caster podcasts or teleprompt parrot teleprompter. Um, their app kinda sucks. Like there’s no way to import scripts. You have to write them or paste them in the app. Um, so I would, uh, probably gonna use like a more robust teleprompter app because the only part that really matters is the mirror. [00:31:40] Christina: Right. Exactly. That’s what I was going to say. Cause yeah, cause I’ve been looking I need well, and when I kind of formalize my set, like I need to cause I’ve I’ve um, I need to set up like my actual teleprompter kind of set up thing, but I, um, Yeah, I, uh, so, so thanks for, uh, linking it to the [00:32:00] pad, uh, pad caster. [00:32:01] Um, Yeah, [00:32:01] telecomm pumper teleprompter premium. I have to say that app is great. I’ve used it for years. Um, in our studio at Microsoft with our. You know, professional teleprompter, but rather than using, you know, or I guess professional mirror set up. Cause like, rather than using like a, you know, traditional teleprompter, like we just, like, I put the iPad there and um, and then the mirror is. [00:32:26] set up and it does what it needs to do. [00:32:28] And so I’ve used it for years with that, because you could import stuff from Dropbox or from other sources and you can control it with your apple watch or whatever. Well, what I love about it, and I will give them a shout out for this, because I use this, I guess in may, when I was recording a video for a webinar that I wasn’t really a part of, but I was just doing the intro for, and they wanted something where like I was onsite of where we have traditionally held the build conference. [00:32:55] You know, we, we having to do it virtual again. And so I was at the Washington state [00:33:00] convention center kind of in the background and then just kind of giving an intro and saying, Hey, you know, we can’t wait to be back in person again. This is where I am at so many good memories. We’ve got so much good stuff for you today, you know, whatever. [00:33:11] And so I, I wrote in, you know, there were some talking points and scripts and so. I was having to shoot this myself, like on my camera, like on my phone. Um, and, and I was kind of concerned cause I was like, okay, I can memorize this, but I want it to be kind of extemporaneous. I want it to be crisp. I don’t want to go on too long. [00:33:29] Also I’m having to shoot this myself and I need to get this, you know, to this, to this team to do so. What can I do? Uh, what turns out that the teleprompter. Now has an option. Like if you’re using it with an iPhone where you can record in the app and it will basically use the front facing camera and you can read off of the teleprompter on your phone while you’re recording and you can still record high quality. [00:33:56] So that. [00:33:57] was amazing [00:34:00] because. It really did make it in terms of like a, kind of a, okay. If you need to do like a vlogger style thing, like this is actually a solution because the front facing camera at this point is good enough, especially for our women. It’s very good. Like honestly, like the rear facing camera is obviously better, but the front facing camera is very good, especially for the purposes of what we were doing that just being able to read off of that. Yeah. [00:34:25] Okay. Yeah, this, this is awesome. So we have a link for that app, but it’s, um, I’ve used a bunch of different teleprompter apps over the years. I do. You have to say like teleprompter premium, I think is like my favorite. There are probably other good ones too, but I, I do appreciate that. Um, like the, initially I think the thing that kind of brought me into it was the apple watch control because when I’m in our main studio. [00:34:50] Yeah. Cause when I’m in our main studio, Rather like if it’s going too fast or too slow up or I fucked something up before we had that set up, like how it work? Is it somebody else [00:35:00] would have to come in and be like, wait, wait, wait, you know, stop, like go back. And then I have to start again because you’re not able to like with a real teleprompter in a studio, how it works is that there’s a remote control kind of thing. [00:35:11] So like in a broadcast studio, like on CNN or, or, or whatever, how that works is that you have someone who is actually running. It is how that works. So you have someone who’s actually, they fed it into their prompter. Sorry. And then they are actually running it and then they are controlling the flow. So like when I’m doing stuff at, uh, for, for our big events, for instance, um, like when I did the windows 11 launch or when I do ignite or build or whatever, there is an actual teleprompter operator and I’m looking into, you know, these, you know, probably yeah. [00:35:41] $15,000 plus like, uh, you know, uh, professional, like, uh, you know, uh, studio cameras and, and whatnot. Cause it is like a full-on production studio. It is like a television quality production studio and they’re controlling the flow. They’re controlling the spacing. They can make the updates in real time, whatever. [00:35:57] It’s great. Um, when I’m [00:36:00] in the channel nine studio. Again, we have some really nice cameras and we have some really nice equipment and set up in green trees and stuff. And it’s way. more high end than a lot of, you know, set ups. It’s, it’s probably, it’s very similar to the kind of the quality that we had at like Mashable or, and it’s better than what we had at Gizmodo or whatever, but we don’t have that. [00:36:19] So we have somebody who’s out in the control room. Who’s controlling the audio, but I’m using an iPad. So I can’t control what I’m reading when you have the, uh, the apple watch. Yeah. That’s brilliant because you can use the crown to go back forward and stop. Yes. [00:36:36] Brett: Can you, can you control speed with the watch? Oh my God. Yes. I need that. [00:36:41] Christina: So it’s brilliant. So if you fuck up, you can pause, you can control speed. [00:36:45] Like it’s, just, it’s so good. So [00:36:47] Brett: especially for this because the phone is mounted in the teleprompter. So getting to the controls is a pain in the ass [00:36:56] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. [00:36:57] Brett: and they sell a hardware remote for it. [00:37:00] But I have an apple watch. [00:37:01] Christina: Right. That’s the thing. So yeah. So teleprompter premium. I’m a huge fan of that. Um, so yeah. That’s, that’s [00:37:10] Brett: You want to hear about the crazy, uh, like screencasting teleprompter setup I made. [00:37:15] Christina: Yes. [00:37:16] Brett: Um, so. Aye. Aye, aye. Brainstorm my F my blog posts, my screencast, my presentation. I do it all in mind maps and, uh, I do it with I thoughts. And what I do is brainstorm all of the topics I need to cover, organize them, create subtopics. [00:37:36] And then in the final topics I go in and on the notes for each node. I write out the script for that topic and, uh, Built I thought support into Mart so I can drag the map into Mart. Uh, and I have a teleprompter, uh, theme for Mart that [00:38:00] uses Mark’s auto scroll to actually make a teleprompter on screen. So then I can edit my teleprompter script live in a mind map. [00:38:10] Hit save on it and my teleprompter updates and scrolls to the part I’m editing and that I can, uh, I can go back and forth and record my screen cast piece by piece, uh, with, uh, with full teleprompter support. I D you don’t have to have two displays to do that, but it’s, it’s pretty cool going from, from mindmap to screen cast. [00:38:31] Uh it’s uh, it’s, it’s fun. I’m a [00:38:33] Christina: That’s awesome. No, I know, I love this. I knew that. I mean, that’s why this show exists. No, this is what’s fun. And I’m really glad you’re having, I’m glad that you’re being forced to be like a on-camera personality and stuff, because I love to geek out about this and. This is the sort of thing where I have to stop myself sometimes from wanting to over-engineer the production process, because that is what engineers do is we over-complicate things. [00:38:57] And I’m like, actually, there’s a reason that things [00:39:00] exist. Like production workflow works the way that it does. And I see this happen all the time with people that I work with, who don’t have any production experience and they go too far and like wanting to automate and make everything run great. And like be the producers and not thinking about the content or some of the other stuff, which is honestly more important. [00:39:19] Um, but I’m so excited you’re getting into this because you are the way that I am about. Like wanting to nerd. out and over-engineer with it, but then you go to the next level. So I’m excited for like the stupid stuff that. [00:39:35] you’re going to come up with, which is just going to make my life easier. So I’m excited about that. [00:39:40] Brett: Um, I have no segway for this, but do you want to do a hello? Fresh [00:39:44] Christina: I was going to say I was about to, I was trying to think about it, but, uh, speaking of, I guess, uh, we’re both kind of hungry, I guess, [00:39:51] Brett: There you go. [00:39:52] Christina: This episode is sponsored by hello, fresh with hello, fresh. You get fresh pre-measured ingredients and mouthwatering seasonal [00:40:00] recipes delivered right to your door. So you can skip trips to the grocery store and you can count on HelloFresh to make home cooking easy. And affordable. Hello, fresh offers, 50 menu and market items to choose from every week from vegetarian meals and calorie smart choices to extra special gourmet options. [00:40:19] There’s something for everyone to enjoy with recipes designed and tested by professional chefs and nutritional experts to ensure deliciousness and simplicity. Now, Brett, I know that you love HelloFresh. [00:40:31] Brett: I really do totally. Um, I get my home cooked vegetarian meals. To feed me all week and they only take about 30 minutes to cook and I never have to go grocery shopping or plan meals ahead, which is like my least favorite thing. I just log into HelloFresh a week before they have an app on the iPhone. I pick the meals out of the menu that looked the most delicious to me and boom meal planning and grocery shopping done in five minutes or less. [00:40:59] [00:41:00] And, and I, I, I eat better now than I have in a long time. [00:41:05] Christina: So the fall harvest is officially on with hello, fresh count on seasonal recipes like pumpkin cinnamon rolls and friends giving readies size as well as fresh high quality ingredients that travel from the farm to your front door in less than a week. [00:41:21] Going to hellofresh.com/overtired14 and use the code overtired14 for up to 14 free meals. Plus free shipping. There’s a reason that HelloFresh is America’s number one meal kit, and you can find out why and get it to 14 free meals with free shipping. That’s hellofresh.com/overtired14. And use that promo code overtired14. [00:41:49] Brett: Did I tell you about the super embarrassing thing that happened with a sponsor read two weeks ago? [00:41:54] Christina: You did. [00:41:55] Brett: So I had, I had like fumbled my way through one of the sponsor reads [00:42:00] and had put in a bunch of like when I edit with a D script. So any. [00:42:06] Christina: you’d like can read your, your edit [00:42:09] Brett: the word edit, and then I can just search the text for, and I know where the edits need to be. [00:42:15] Uh, w which is a good tip. Anytime that you have a, a replacement co-host and you need to edit something, just say the word edit, and I’ll totally find it. But anyway, I had done that and I had done all the edits and it sounded great. And then something weird happened in D script where. My audio track got like maybe 10 seconds ahead of yours. [00:42:40] And so I went back in and I realigned the two tracks in the composition and everything sounded fine, but I didn’t go back and see what happened with those edits. [00:42:51] Christina: Oh, no. [00:42:52] Brett: In the version I published when it got to that sponsor read it, like would like cut at this weird point and then [00:43:00] you’d hear me go edit and then I’d start again in summer. [00:43:02] Brett (2): And then it would cut. And then, so like the whole, and that was the only place in the, in the episode that I had done edit. So for a whole day, the overtired episode that was out there had a completely butchered ad read. Uh, I deleted, I deleted it from our RSS feed and put up a fixed version the next day. [00:43:21] Um, I only heard from a couple people about it. Uh, so people were either very forgiving or no one listens to our podcasts on the day it comes out. Um, but yeah, it was, it was embarrassing. Uh, I, 100% blame D script that was a bug on their part. Got to put the blame somewhere. [00:43:41] Christina: Yeah. I mean, you definitely got to put the blame somewhere. Definitely, definitely. Descripts fault. No. Uh, thank you D script for making a really good service That uh, if it has an API and everything. [00:43:51] Brett: that one time, one time it fucked me, but overall I would never go back to editing podcasts without D script.[00:44:00] [00:44:00] Christina: Yeah, no, I mean, I think, uh, yeah, exactly. I mean, I think that it’s a, um, I’m glad that like a service like that exists and that, uh, in the pricing is actually for, for their transcripts is like actually really good. So again, this is, They, don’t sponsor us. they should, but yeah. [00:44:14] Brett: they really should there a couple of their competitors. Have sent me like, uh, free trials, uh, given me like pro accounts, try out our, our version of this, uh, concept. And none of them have come close to, uh, to D script as far as features and capabilities go it’s it’s the best. I should probably put it in the show notes. [00:44:38] Christina: Yeah, you should. Yeah. [00:44:40] Brett: feel like we’ve talked about are enough to deserve a link. [00:44:42] Christina: Yeah, I have to say they do have a really good, uh, URL. Like they have, like, I don’t know what they had to pay for that, but the, a bit like I’m, I’m, I’m happy for them. [00:44:51] Brett: D script.com. [00:44:53] Christina: Yeah. [00:44:53] Brett: Yeah. Um, all right, well, let’s see. Nope. I’m out of time. This, this, [00:45:00] this is, did we fit an hour’s worth then? [00:45:02] Christina: I think we did. I think we did. We didn’t really get a lot of pop culture in, but I think next week we’re going to have like some really good pop culture talk. So, So I think that we’re good. [00:45:11] Brett: So Christina and I talked before the show and we have decided to start on occasion bringing on guests again, a long time. Listeners may recall a certain episode, uh, with some, some certain music. No, no, one’s blaming you. It’s fine. Um, like w we’re all good. Uh, it didn’t go well, and we kind of stopped having guests after. [00:45:33] Christina: Yeah. Uh, I, I had an idea if for, for people who don’t know of inviting, like there was something that I was extremely online that I found under entertaining and interesting. And I invited these two people from New York on our podcast and, uh, uh, yeah, it’s not go well. So, um, uh, [00:45:53] Brett: It was, cringy [00:45:54] Christina: it was really cringey. I don’t think they had any idea that it didn’t go well. [00:45:58] Uh, but, but we [00:45:59] Brett: that’s [00:46:00] because they’re terrible people. [00:46:01] Christina: They are terrible people, 100%. Um, so, and, and, and I, I, I bet I doubt either of them even remembers doing the podcast, so I don’t feel bad saying this. So, Yeah. So we stopped having guests, uh, other than like, we, you know, obviously guests hosted with, uh, Ashley Escada, um, twice, because she’s awesome, but we are going to be bringing guests in, um, vetted at this point. [00:46:24] But, uh, and I’m just going to. Wing this on you here, Brett. I know you have some People that you want to bring on it. And I have some people I’d like to, I would be interested in hearing from the community. If there are people like that, they would be interested in us talking to [00:46:39] Brett: Yeah. People who can nerd out about kind of overtired ESC topics and who also have a. Recording set up prerequisite. You have to own at least a decent microphone and have recorded one podcast before in your life, yours or somebody else’s [00:46:58] Christina: Yes. [00:46:59] Brett: you gotta, [00:47:00] you gotta be a pro to be on over tired. We have standards standards [00:47:04] Christina: do have standards. [00:47:04] right? Yeah. I mean, yeah. [00:47:06] Brett: Um, all right, so anyway, thanks everyone for listening. Uh, Christina, we’re both tired. Get some sleep. [00:47:14] Christina: Get some sleep, Brett.

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[00:00:16] safety for us because, uh, someone’s audio messed up. [00:00:20] Brett: It is. As of, as of right now, it is actually recording. This is, this is being recorded. [00:00:26] Christina: Okay. This is good. I’m really glad to hear that. I’m really glad to hear that. [00:00:30] Brett: yeah, yeah. So, uh, so you were saying in the last take, you didn’t get up at midnight today. [00:00:37] Christina: No, I didn’t. I did not get up at midnight. I got up. Six 15, which I think is an acceptable time to get up when you’re recording something like seven o’clock. So, um, I, I did not wake up super, super early or I guess stay up super, super late. Like it could go either way. So, um, I got up at like the adequate time for, you know, recording a, an [00:01:00] early morning podcast or mid morning as might be the case for you. [00:01:04] Brett: and, and you’re not tired. [00:01:06] Christina: No, I mean, I’m a little, um, like I think open to bed around one. So I got like a solid, like five and a half hours, which I [00:01:16] Brett: insane. How do you survive on five hours of sleep, [00:01:20] Christina: I don’t know. Cause I’ll probably end up taking a nap. I don’t know who knows. [00:01:23] Brett: man? I couldn’t do that five hours. Like, uh, if I got five hours of sleep, three nights in a row, I would be a mess. [00:01:31] Christina: Well, a, I find ways. Too sometimes, like, it’s usually like after work, but I sometimes, I mean, my sleep is so terrible. Cause what I’ll do sometimes it’s, I’ll like take a nap at 5:00 PM, which is stupid because then you wake up, it’s the dumbest thing in the world, because then you wake up at 11 and you’re like, all right, well I’m up until four now. [00:01:53] Like it’s just shitty. So just gets you into like a really bad like pattern. Um, [00:02:00] and then sometimes like tomorrow is Saturday, today is Friday the 13th. Ooh. And, uh, which, which I think is why, uh, we had some recording issues earlier and um, the best one would have blamed it on any way. And um, but tomorrow, Saturday, so I can, I can just sleep in, like I could sleep in until two I won’t, but, but I. [00:02:24] Brett: I am. Uh, I am a major proponent of going to bed and getting up at the same time every day. [00:02:31] Christina: See, that’s, that’s smart. And [00:02:34] and I should do that. I just don’t do that. [00:02:36] Brett: I, when I’m manic, obviously I’ll go like days without sleep. And that will ruin like the next week or two for me, uh, like five days of like one to two hours of sleep per night. Absolutely not healthy. Um, but when I’m, when I’m normal, which I am right now, uh, yeah, I like eight and a half hours of [00:03:00] sleep and I go to bed at exactly nine o’clock. [00:03:02] I get up exactly. Five 30 it’s I like, I like consistency. It’s good. It’s good for the brain. [00:03:09] Christina: It is good for the brain. [00:03:10] And these are all very smart things that I should do, but that I don’t do. And I’m not like pretending, like I, you know, I, I know who I am. I know who I’m not. Um, I aspire to, to be as together as you now, you mentioned you kind of buried the lead there with, with Brett’s mental health corner that you’re normal right now. [00:03:30] Brett: Yeah, I’m in that sweet spot. I’m not manic. I’m not depressed. I’m I’m living life as well. So it becomes very obvious in these times when I’m like completely emotionally stable, it becomes obvious that I’m also ADHD. Uh, that becomes, that becomes forefront for me. But, but yeah, no, I’m, um, living life as a typical atypia neuro atypical person. [00:03:55] I’m sorry. Neuro neurodiverse. [00:03:59] Christina: Is that what the term [00:04:00] is? Okay. [00:04:02] Brett: I am. I am. I am I am I have comorbidities, uh, ADHD and bipolar. I am. I am truly neurodiverse. [00:04:13] Christina: Yeah. I have ADHD, depression, anxiety, but I don’t know. Yeah. Yeah. But yet weirdly, I feel like, so I guess I’m technically neurodiverse. [00:04:26] And I, I mean, I know at least the ADHD stuff, but I don’t know. I’ve, I’ve never like I’m treated, this is absolutely true. I am treated like I’m neurodiverse. Like I’ve never had any allowances ever for any of that stuff. [00:04:41] Um, like maybe a [00:04:43] Brett: you’re T you’re treated like you’re neuro-typical is what [00:04:46] Christina: Sorry, sorry. That’s yes, yes. Let me re let me rephrase. I, am treated like a neuro-typical, um, and uh, not like I’m, neuro-diverse, uh, I’m treated like I’m, neuro-typical, I’ve never had any of the, like, maybe I could like [00:05:00] ask for them or whatever, but, um, I, mask really well, and so I don’t eat it’s so it’s so fucked up that people will like, you know, like, like, like Twitter, vigilante assholes will, will, uh, you know, make comments. [00:05:13] Oh, well, you know, you, you can’t comment on this because data, data, data, data, like, it’d be like, oh, somebody makes my OCD edge. Yeah. You really shouldn’t say that. I’m like, some of us are actually OCD and I’m like, can I see your diagnosis? Cause I know I have one, you know, like, go [00:05:28] Brett: your psychology degree? [00:05:31] Christina: It’s completely. Right. But also like, and this may be like, well, don’t gatekeep. You can’t claim that only people who have a diagnosis can say they have it. I’m sorry. Like a, these aren’t things that you want. It’s not something you want to collect, like identities. Like I wouldn’t wish this stuff on people. [00:05:52] Right. Like I see all these people who are like, oh, well I’m ADHD, even though I’ve never been diagnosed and I’m not treated. Okay. Maybe, [00:06:00] [00:06:00] Brett: Sure maybe. [00:06:01] Christina: maybe. Um, but also maybe don’t talk about it if you haven’t been diagnosed. And if you’re not on a treatment plan, just, just my opinion. I, if you want to call, if you wanna call me a fucking gatekeeper. [00:06:11] Yeah. My gatekeeper. Because if you’re not on a treatment plan and you haven’t talked to professional, then like you’re not doing anyone. you’re doing yourself a disservice. If you actually think that you have this, and if you don’t in a bit just being performative, then you’re just being like a weird asshole who wants to collect, you know, diagnoses. [00:06:34] Brett: So this gets interesting in the world of autism though. Uh, especially in women and older humans, um, self-diagnosis is not as big a crime in the autistic community. Most [00:06:50] Christina: It’s. [00:06:51] Brett: commute. No, it’s just let me, uh, most autistic communities will actually like welcome it. Basically they go by the, [00:07:00] uh, the philosophy that if you think you have autism, We will, we will assume you have autism. [00:07:08] We will give you the benefit of the doubt. And that’s not true with any other diagnosis that I’ve ever [00:07:13] Christina: Yeah, I’m going to be honest with you. Like the autism community can do whatever they want and that’s on them. I’m rolling my eyes extremely. And I get, I understand that people are not diagnosed and that there are doctors who won’t diagnose you and will say, well, if you’ve lived this long and if you have this, then you don’t fit these things. [00:07:29] I would pause it that those are psychiatrists who are using older terminology, who are using older diagnostic, like credentials are probably still going on the old, you know, DSM-IV and not like the, the, the current DSM-V and whatnot. And I know that all those things exist. I get it. I’m still going to just be straight up and be like, If it were me and I’m not part of the community, so it doesn’t matter to me, but I I’m rolling my eyes. [00:07:54] Brett: Yeah, no, I, I buy it like most people aren’t looking for [00:08:00] it. So it is, it is it’s, it’s a little bit difficult for a lot of people to get the diagnosis. And if you are suffering. From, uh, the S the symptoms or the, the characteristics of autism. Uh, it’s nice to have a community, even if you don’t have the diagnosis and to have a community that welcomes you like to, just to give you the benefit of the doubt. [00:08:29] Like, if you can say, I have taken 20 of these online quizzes, and I really feel like this is the case for me, but I can’t afford a diagnosis. Or my, my, my, uh, counselor did not agree with me. I just, I don’t know if you share all of these traits with a [00:08:51] Christina: look, if it’s about it’s about community. [00:08:53] I agree with you where I disagree with you is that I think that sometimes you do have [00:09:00] fakers and I’m not saying Mo even most of the people who claim they’re autistic and aren’t are fakers, but you do have fakers. You do have people who they clearly have some sort of other psychological problem because they’re making up the fact that they have these things. [00:09:14] But because I see this with ADHD, people with ADHD, all the time, people who are clearly not 80, [00:09:20] Brett: Oh, sure. Well, [00:09:21] Christina: we’ll want to claim it, but. [00:09:23] Brett: I think autism is different than ADHD in that regard though. I think the communities are different and I think people use ADHD as an excuse way more than they use ASD as an excuse. [00:09:33] Christina: I’m not talking about an excuse. [00:09:35] though. I’m talking about people who want internet sympathy points. I’m talking about like Munchausen by internet people like I’m talking about people clearly have like something fucked up wrong with them. [00:09:43] But not those things like people who like, like, there’s this, there’s this person on Twitter who I don’t follow them because I don’t want to do that. But I occasionally like, hate read their tweets because this person is just so ridiculous. Like this person [00:10:00] claims all of these identities, all of these like aspersions, all of these maladies. [00:10:05] And it’s literally just so that they can get like attaboy internet points and it’s it’s infuriating because I’m like, okay, this is actually doing a disservice, in my opinion, to the real communities, to the real people. And, and, you know, they take up space like. And I’m not saying that it’s all people and I’m Sure. [00:10:24] that I agree with you. I think the vast majority, if, if that’s how you see it and if you want the community and the support, that’s fine. I do think though, like, okay, I’ll give you a great example. There was actually a really good article that I read on this. So there’s this thing, and it’s actually a really controversial diagnosis. [00:10:39] Like a lot of psychiatrists will argue that it doesn’t exist and some people say that it does, but, um, dissociative identity disorder. Um, I don’t know if you’re familiar with that or [00:10:48] Brett: I am not. [00:10:49] Christina: It used to be what did. it used to be? What we called multiple personalities. [00:10:54] Brett: Okay. Okay. Yeah. [00:10:56] Christina: And, and so, um, uh, it is considered a thing [00:11:00] where like you had, and, you know, distinct personas and, and, and people will call, if they have dissociative identity disorder, they have a system and they will have different fronts of different members of the system fronting their body at certain periods of time and, and all this stuff. [00:11:14] Anyway, it’s now a Tik TOK, Trent. And by that, I mean that you have. Tic talkers with millions of followers. Most of them zoomers some of them a little bit older who present what it’s like to be in a system. Now, some of these people might actually have psychological problems. Whole bunch of them are just fucking fakers and, and they get millions of hits and views and all this adulation and weird stuff. [00:11:40] And I’m like, Okay. first of all, for people who do suffer from this, and as I said, it’s actually a pretty controversial thing of whether it exists or not. I’m not a psychiatrist, I’m not a psychologist, I’m not a doctor. I can’t make a diagnosis. I’m simply pointing out that it is a controversial thing of whether it exists or not. [00:11:55] Um, because, and, and that goes all the way back to civil, um, which, which kind of [00:12:00] like brought in into popular lexicon or whatnot. But, but, you know, but the idea is, is that it is born from trauma, not from like, you’re not born with it. Right. [00:12:09] So, so, so it’s an interesting, you know, thing in that regard too, then that it’s not like a neurological thing. and so far as like your brain chemistry is wired a different way, like it’s apparently comes from like traumatic experiences or whatnot, which really goes back to 40 and stuff, which a lot has been disproven. But anyway, but a lot of these people like are fucking fakers. Like these are our kids who are just wanting to, to like be cool on the internet and like having a flection on the internet. [00:12:39] And it is fascinating. But if you’re waiting to see, and like, to me, it’s one of those things where I’m like, okay, what. this whole, What that whole trend is doing. And I’m not trying to compare people who self diagnosed with autism to that. I’m really not. But you have this like momentum in, it’s weird where people are like claiming.[00:13:00] [00:13:00] To have shit that they don’t have because they feel like it gives them credibility or makes them interesting or whatever. And, and like, I don’t know that just pisses me off. [00:13:14] Brett: What I would say is if you are self-diagnosing with ASD, for the sake of finding a community of people like you, that can support and answer questions. That’s great. If, if you are self-diagnosed, I would be very hesitant about declaring yourself ASD in the wider internet or in life, uh, like to, to make a statement. [00:13:43] I am an autistic person without a diagnosis is very different than saying, Hey, here’s this community of people that accept me and believe me, and, and, and I can find support and answers here. Like, I think that’s great for people.[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: No, I think that’s great for people. [00:14:01] too, but Yeah, I agree with that. And I would also say if you have taken all those self-diagnosis things and you don’t have it and I can understand it can be expensive, it can be hard to find a doctor. I would encourage just like I would encourage any person who has any sort of like mental health struggle or, you know, whatever, like neuro-diverse struggle to actually try and you have to keep trying and get the diagnosis. [00:14:21] Brett: no, I, I agree with that, especially if you have insurance and can’t afford to do so. [00:14:27] Christina: yeah. Uh, I mean, although honestly, like I’m going to, I’m going to be kind of an asshole here. Even if you don’t something like your mental health is important enough, like find a way to make it work. Whether that means like looking at government assistance, whether that means like finding other things like [00:14:47] Brett: had to borrow money to get my ADHD diagnosis. [00:14:50] Christina: yeah. Yeah. And, and, and I think that that was, yeah. It’s but, but you made it work, right? Yeah. [00:14:56] Brett: made it work and it changed my life. So. [00:14:58] Christina: That’s what I’m saying. Like [00:15:00] I paid, there was a time when I went off my parents’ insurance and I was allowed to stay on for like an extra year, which was amazing. Um, and Mashable didn’t have insurance yet, and it was cheaper for me to, um, be on Cobra, um, because my medication prices were so much and Cobra was like, [00:15:25] Brett: cover is not cheap. [00:15:26] Christina: It was like $1,200 a month or something. And, and I wasn’t, I wasn’t making a ton of money. Um, I mean, I was making more than I had been, but, but I wasn’t making a ton of money and I paid that out of pocket and, um, I didn’t get any, you know, help, you know, with that, I was, I was, I was paying for it and, and I did it and it was the right thing to do. [00:15:45] And I had like, remember how to like a colleague and, and she had some issues with depression and whatnot. She was like, oh, you know, I just, I don’t want to, you know, pay like her. I think her rates were going to be way lower than mine. Cause she didn’t already have a diagnosis. And this is before Obamacare and whatnot. [00:15:59] And I was like, [00:16:00] You, you have to do it like you. I know that it can be a burden. I’m not trying, I’m not speak. I look, I’m speaking from a place of privilege now, but I haven’t always had a place of privilege. And like you and I both had so many experiences with the bad doctors and having to go through the ringer of diagnoses and what Do you have and what don’t you have? [00:16:19] Like, I was misdiagnosed as being bipolar. I’m not bipolar. I was put on lithium, which was terrible. Um, you, you go through a lot and it’s shitty, but you do it in my opinion, because it’s the right thing to do. And when I cure people and I’m not talking about autism specifically, I hear this with ADHD a lot. [00:16:36] And it pisses me off because I hear people saying, oh, well, I don’t have the money for this or that or this or that. And I’m thinking, you know, if it’s really important to you and it’s your health, you borrow the money. You find a way to make it work. Like I, I’m sorry. [00:16:53] Brett: do, you know, do you want to know how much my ADHD meds would cost? If I had to pay out of pocket [00:16:59] Christina: [00:17:00] Uh, probably like seven, $800. [00:17:02] Brett: a thousand dollars a month, [00:17:04] Christina: Yeah, [00:17:05] Brett: just, just for the ADHD meds and then the bipolar meds I take would be another like 1800 on top of that. It’s ridiculous. [00:17:15] Christina: no, that is ridiculous. And at that point you can’t afford it. You have to have insurance of some sort, which thankfully we do now have a way it’s not always the best or the least expensive, but there are plans you can get on like, [00:17:27] Brett: a different world than it [00:17:28] Christina: it’s a different world. I was going to say like a decade ago. [00:17:31] it was not that way. [00:17:32] And that’s why I bristle a little bit. Cause I was paying because I had a similar thing where, um, the, um, Modafinil that I was on, I was on the Modafinil. I was on effects, her and I was on Dexedrine and the Modafinil alone was like $1,500 a month. And still to this day, even though I like Provigil, I can’t get that covered. [00:17:51] Um, because like, I remember like the insurance covered it for like three months and it was gone and I think even Microsoft’s insurance, I think that it would be a [00:18:00] stretch. I don’t need it now. And, and I mean, I would like it, but I don’t need it. Um, it would, it would more be for me wanting to like, do nootropics and like, you, know, it feels super powerful rather than like actually treating [00:18:11] Brett: you can buy a , uh, on the, uh, on the internet. It’s pretty cheap. [00:18:17] Christina: Yeah. I know. I know. Uh, cause I looked into that and when, when I actually looked into going to Canada at one point to get it, um, and, and there, you know, at this point, like I think like the pads have expired and stuff like that, but, um, yeah. I mean, some of the stuff like that was, that was the reason I paid the, the Cobra because my medication would have been 1800. [00:18:36] And so the Cobra was 1200. And so it was like, well, just, you know, keep paying the Cobra. Right. Like just keep doing that. And, and that was, you know, I think that was probably, um, I don’t know, like a quarter of my pre-tax income. Like I was paying as much for my insurance. I was paying for rent. And, uh, and like, [00:19:00] again, like I really part of this look at me from a place of privilege, but also there are systems, there are things that can make it work. [00:19:06] I’m just, my point is just like, I I’ve gone on like a, an old woman tangent, but like, and I’m not trying to be gatekeepery except to say like, do the work, like it just pisses me off. And I’m, again, I’m not talking about people who are autistic, because I do feel like that’s a different, more difficult diagnosis, but especially with other stuff, a nobody should want these diagnoses. [00:19:27] And sometimes I feel like people like, feel like they want to be part of a club and I’m like, I would very, I’d be very happy if I didn’t have this stuff. Like. Uh, like, you know, can my ADHD sometimes be useful and helpful? Yeah, it can, but sometimes it can also be really fucking debilitating and terrible. [00:19:46] I would, I would not wish depression on anyone and whatever creative moments I’ve had from it, which get less and less each time I have a, uh, a depressive episode. I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy. Right. So, [00:20:00] you know, I’m sure you wouldn’t wish, you know, you’re bipolar, even though that has things that can make you unique and you have good art, you wouldn’t wish it on anyone. [00:20:07] And so I feel like sometimes I feel like there are people who like don’t have those things. You don’t recognize that they’re like, I don’t want this. I don’t see it the way, like some people who are deaf or blind, like are like genuinely like, love about themselves. And I think even autistic people who are like, I, I love this about myself, cool. [00:20:25] With, with things like depression and anxiety and ADHD and bipolar, like I think most of us would, would not want that. So. If, if you, if you feel like you have those things, like, I don’t know. [00:20:37] you gotta fucking do the work to get the diagnosis, get the treatment, get the help, because it’s how we, I don’t know. [00:20:43] It’s how we function. [00:20:45] Brett: Yeah, but do do, if you think, if, if you’re hearing all of these people talk about what they have and it, you totally, 100% relate, do the work, like get the diagnosis, find out because [00:21:00] that’s how treatment start. [00:21:01] Christina: Well, I was going to say that’s the biggest thing for me is the self-diagnosis. I think that’s the biggest thing that scares me. And like for autism, maybe it’s a little different because you know the treatments there, it’s not like you can take them. It’s not like you can take a pill. [00:21:13] Um, and maybe having the community is good, but you could have like treatment and therapies and stuff that you could do. Right. Um, but just being, just being self-diagnosed and being part of a community is not going to get you treatment. Like it’s not like, so, so when I see it, like self-diagnosed ADHD, Cool. [00:21:32] So you’re just untreated. Cause that doesn’t work, you know, like you’re not helping anybody, you’re not helping yourself. Like you get to use the hashtag actually ADHD or whatever. But, but like, I don’t know. Anyway, that’s my rant. Sorry. [00:21:47] Brett: w our mental health corner got, uh, got long. [00:21:51] Christina: It did get [00:21:52] Brett: and I’ll be honest. I don’t have the heart to rerecord our work site. That I will summarize [00:22:00] that, that whole, uh, hands-on lab that we were building up to at Oracle, that I was super stressed out about. It went great. We, we beat all of our metrics that we were projecting, everything went super swell. [00:22:14] And then immediately back into the backlog of work that got behind while we were working on the lab. [00:22:24] Christina: So no time off for the weird, I mean, you will have time off next week, but, but they were like, but they were like, Nope, sorry, sorry, bitches. Back to work. [00:22:32] Brett: Yeah. My PM like just, I had like three meetings with my PM the day after the hands-on lab. And I learned a whole bunch of new acronyms that, [00:22:45] Christina: Uh huh. [00:22:45] Brett: that apparently I shouldn’t things like KPI. [00:22:49] Christina: Uh, keep, uh, key performance indicator. [00:22:51] Brett: Like people throw these letters around like, like some indie developers was have any clue what they’re talking about, but [00:22:58] Christina: right. And you’re like, [00:23:00] you’re, you’re like 4k, I’m sorry. yeah. [00:23:02] Um, my OKR, do you guys have those [00:23:06] Brett: Um, maybe I I’m still learning. Yeah. That sounds right. [00:23:11] Christina: Yeah. Okay. So, so there are OKR is there, which are different from KPIs though. A KPI can be used in conjunction with an, I don’t even know, like yeah. Acronym soup, man. [00:23:20] That’s if anybody wanted to like ask, like, what’s my takeaway from like four years in corporate America, a lot of fucking acronyms. [00:23:28] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. And I’m, I’m not shy about asking, like people say things in meetings, especially when they’re talking about like Oracle services, like. A T P and a D w a yeah. Autonomous data warehouse. It, I spent a meeting having no idea what people were talking about and finally just asked, Hey, what do these acronyms stand for? [00:23:57] Got my answer. Did my research [00:24:00] things make a lot more sense when you can understand the words people are saying, or the letters in this case? Anyway, um, I, I will repeat the part that we lost in our first tragic mishap that, um, I added zoom buttons to my, uh, my touch [00:24:22] Christina: non touch bar, your non touch bar. touch [00:24:24] Brett: Right, right. Yeah. So for anyone who missed it, I’m, I’m running a touch bar simulator on my Mac mini with a bunch of like crazy better touch tool scripts and, and fun buttons. [00:24:37] And all of it would work if I had a real touch bar as well, but I no longer do well. I do want my work machine, but I’m trying to keep that one pretty clean. I, I, I do, and I keep it like company fresh. Um, but anyway, I added zoom buttons that give me, so I stole them. I stole the code from the stream deck plugin for zoom, [00:25:00] uh, and it lets me control, mute, and video and share it. [00:25:06] Uh, even when zoom is not foreground. So I, at the top of my screen, I always have big red button telling me that I’m muted and I can click it from anywhere and unmute myself and video and sharing, et cetera. It even has a leave button that hit it, hits the leave button and hits the, okay. So in one tap, I can leave a meeting without having to focus zoom because you know how like some meetings, there’s a bunch of people and you don’t bother to turn on video and you don’t bother to turn on your microphone, but you also don’t want to be the last person left in the room with no video and no mic, because then it’s obvious that you were off doing something else. [00:25:49] So like, you want to be able to make that quick exit when everyone says goodbye. So now I have a button for that. I just hit the button and I’m out of the room and I don’t ha I don’t get the, this meeting has been ended by [00:26:00] the host message. [00:26:01] Christina: Nice. So you can Irish goodbye, everybody real quickly with like a, with, with the click of a button. I like it. [00:26:06] Brett: Yes. I feel like that’s probably racist the Irish people, but I’ve never fully, I guess I’ve also heard it like the French goodbye. And I think they’re the same thing. I think people just associate rude behavior with whatever, whatever cultural group [00:26:23] Christina: This, uh, one of my former managers, Tim, I love him so much, but he’s actually my second favorite manager. Well, now I had, well, I’ve had so many managers, God, um, last year alone, six. Oh yeah. That’s too many, too many. Um, everyone would agree with That Um, but, but Tim was gray, but Tim is famous for that, where you’re in a room with him and all of a sudden he just disappears. [00:26:47] He’s gone. He’s Irish goodbyes and everybody. And we just crack up because he’s the nicest guy, but it’s so funny. Cause that’s just one of those things. He’s just like, they’ll just be like we’re Timco. Oh, okay. You just, you just peaced out. [00:27:00] Like it’s hilarious. [00:27:01] Brett: Nice. So, uh, in other big news, [00:27:05] Christina: Yes. [00:27:06] Brett: I feel like we hit another topic before this, in our previous recording. P man people are really missing out that first [00:27:13] Christina: really hard. It was good. It was, it was good. I had like my, I had my half of it, but that would be incredibly boring to listen to [00:27:20] Brett: Yeah. I just, I can’t even do my half of anyway. Um, uh, so for, for listeners who, who might be new to the show, I have a kitten named nobody, uh, bod for short, and [00:27:36] Christina: best. [00:27:37] Brett: she was named because she was found. As a stray and a cemetery, we named her after the main character from a book by Neil Gaiman called the graveyard book, uh, in which a young, a young boy is, uh, finds his way to the cemetery after a gruesome murder and is raised by ghost [00:28:00] and the ghost named him nobody. [00:28:01] So we named our kitten, nobody, even though she’s a girl, I feel like bod is a pretty unisex name. Um, and I thought now that she’s getting up to about 10 months old, it was time to let the author of the graveyard book know that, that he had a child in the world. And so I tweeted Neil Gaiman with a very 240 character version of the story and he retweeted it. [00:28:28] And now my kitten is famous, not like crazy famous. She got like 1100 likes on the photo [00:28:34] Christina: I mean, that’s pretty. [00:28:36] Brett: Got a, a few quote tweets, a few, a few comments. No, nothing not amazing. Like, I, I have more followers than she does, like, and I wasn’t even rescued from a cemetery, so it’s not crazy, but [00:28:50] Christina: but still that’s pretty great. That’s still, that’s pretty great. Now, now did, now did, um, did, were you one who tweeted it from your account or did you tweet it from her account? [00:28:58] Brett: oh, she doesn’t have an account. I learned my [00:29:00] lesson when I had an account for my pit bull. Uh, and she had a ton of followers and everyone loved her and then she died and it was just too painful to like, [00:29:10] Christina: Oh yeah, 100%. [00:29:12] Brett: and every pet will eventually die. So I don’t think I’m making any more pet account [00:29:19] Christina: No, I, I think that that’s fair. So I didn’t get a Neil Gaiman retweet and, um, uh, I didn’t get as many likes, but, um, I did get a GitHub retweet or quote tweet, which was nice. Um, so, um, actually this was kind of a cool thing that I found. And ironically, here’s, what’s hilarious about this, the tweet, it got 201 retweets 31 quote tweets, 568 likes. [00:29:41] So actually really, really high retweet to like ratio, um, like honestly, um, and, and, and, um, the tweet was not customized at all. I found this thing online and then I clicked on the tweet button and I guess it was, you know, it was whatever the developer had Britain in, um, in his [00:30:00] description, but it’s that classic after dark screensavers rebuilt using CSS animations, um, Hm. [00:30:07] I will put this in the show notes because it is awesome and is also in GitHub. But, um, he recreated like all the classic after dark max screensavers in CSS. [00:30:17] Brett: Nice. [00:30:17] Christina: And, um, and so what the GitHub team did is, uh, they quote tweeted it, but they created a Jif. That’s like an amalgamation of a bunch of different screensavers. [00:30:29] So that was, that was neat. But, um, but I was shocked cause like that I, I just, I found that thing and I thought, I was like, oh, this is neat. Um, I’ll share. And I just clicked on the tweet button. I was expecting it to pop up and like, let me customize it. But it didn’t, it just like send it out, you know, as it was. [00:30:47] And I was like, fine, I’ll just, I’ll just send it out like this, no big deal. Um, and I wasn’t expecting it cause it was like not customized. It was like not gonna, no one’s gonna care, whatever. Um, and apparently had been on hacker news a few days earlier and I’d missed it and I saw it someplace [00:31:00] else. I don’t remember. [00:31:01] And I was like, Oh, this is awesome. And then like whole bunch of people really liked it. Cause people really like retro staff cause who doesn’t. Uh, [00:31:12] Brett: I saw some, some designer re they made a bunch of, uh, HTML web development book covers in the style of old VHS, like eighties, VHS, uh, uh, like [00:31:28] Christina: that’s awesome. [00:31:29] Brett: would buy the blank VHS tape, but like the Maxell whatever. Um, in, in the style of those, uh, covers and they were, they were brilliant. I’ll never find that the, I saw it on Instagram. [00:31:42] I’ll probably never find it again. [00:31:44] Christina: Yeah. I just, I tried to look, the only thing I found this is actually pretty awesome was somebody made fake VHS covers for new shows and movies. And this was apparently years ago. Oh, it was from Gizmodo, from. 2015. [00:32:00] Um, but somebody, but yeah, that, yeah, that’s closest I can find, which is different, but they took things like interstellar and breaking bad and game of Thrones and made like, but actually made like this guy actually, didn’t just like, do the mock-ups. [00:32:11] He like actually made covers and printed them out and put them in the, um, sleeves, which is awesome. Um, so like that, that’s actually a pretty cool, but, uh, no. Yeah. I wish that you could find those. I remember when panic, I still have them somewhere panic made boxes that you could buy for their software that were styled, like Atari games. [00:32:36] Brett: I think I remember that. Yeah. [00:32:38] Christina: And, uh, it was a target and television and, and I bought them because I just thought it was the coolest thing in the whole world. And, and, and, and, and I was like, this is why panic is like my favorite company maybe, ever. [00:32:50] Brett: What’s in panic and I make a hardware, a video game console of some [00:32:54] Christina: Yes. [00:32:54] it actually it’s up for pre or it’s up for pre-order now. Um, they’ll, they’ll ship in 2022 at this [00:33:00] point. Um, mine, I pre-order will be here in 2021, but they, they did it with a teenage engineering. Um, we should get cable on some time to talk about it. Um, and, um, I, I got to play with it almost two years ago at XO XO, uh, 2019. [00:33:16] It’s the last XO XO. Cause they, um, didn’t do it last year. They’re not doing it this year. Hopefully it will be back next year if people can fucking vaccinate themselves and end all this nonsense. Um, and I have to say it was like, there’s like a photo of me playing on it and it’s like pure. Like, it’s just, it’s just the greatest. [00:33:37] Um, but it’s a, they have like a dev kit that, that, um, I think, uh, people will be able to, to get where people can build games, sport and stuff using lists. And, and I think they’ve got like another, uh, not list blue, uh, and, and, uh, and something else. Um, but it’s, uh, it’s teenage engineering did the hardware stuff and, uh, in teenage engineering stuff is just the coolest and, um, [00:34:00] yeah, it’s, it’s awesome. [00:34:01] So it will finally be here sometime next year. I will have it, um, in 2021, at some point I was able to be in the first 20,000 orders. So [00:34:10] Brett: Speaking of pure joy from nerdy things. Do you want to do a notion? [00:34:16] Christina: absolutely. This episode of overtired is sponsored by a notion. 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Don’t forget that’s notion? [00:36:13] dot S O and then enter the promo code overtired during checkout. Get collaborating with $250 off at notion dot S O using the promo code over time. [00:36:24] Brett: That was excellent. Nice job, Christina. [00:36:27] Christina: Thank you. Thank you. [00:36:28] Brett: Um, so in addition to being Friday, the 13th happy reinstatement day, do you know about this? [00:36:37] Christina: No, I don’t. [00:36:38] Brett: So a certain, uh, pillow executive, [00:36:43] Christina: Oh yeah. [00:36:44] Brett: a vendor of fine pillow wares, uh, made a statement on, uh, Steve Bannon’s podcast that on August 13th, the president could be reinstated. I don’t know how [00:37:00] the fuck he thought this would happen. [00:37:02] Christina: Wow. [00:37:03] Brett: But there is, uh, you know, community of Q people that that believe today is the day that Donald Trump gets his presidency back. Uh, there is no constitutional way that this could possibly happen. Um, like the Donald Trump is no longer part of the federal government and therefore the chain of command goes to a thousand million people before it gets to him. [00:37:31] Christina: Yeah, He’s not part of it at all. Like he he’s, he’s not in the Senate. He’s not in the house. He’s not anything, uh, you know, he could potentially run for how seat. [00:37:42] Brett: his only way back in is through some form of election. And we can just pray that that’s never going to happen again. [00:37:49] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, genuinely my hope is that he loses interest more and more, especially now that he no longer has like a way to communicate with people. And by [00:38:00] that, I mean, like he no longer has a way for people to like actually have him on social media. right? Cause like no one read his blog and, and, um, Fox. [00:38:09] I think only, only that, uh, the hag Maria Bartiromo like is really fucking with him and like getting money interviews, but they’re even like, pulling like, like, like YouTube is even pulling in her views with him on, on Fox and stuff. When he says like, you know, like election misinformation stuff. And like those channels, like Fox doesn’t want to have their channel struck. [00:38:30] So they’ll cut. They’ll cut part of the, the presidents or the former president’s remarks, um, from interviews that he does on like Fox news. And then, and then the Trump cronies yell at the Fox news host. And like one of the guys, it was like a stalwart, like diehard Trumpy. And they turn on him so fast and he was so mad and they came back around and they’re like, oh, it wasn’t his fault. [00:38:50] It was this other thing. But I hope that’s a lesson to him is see as, Yeah. [00:38:53] you see how quick, like it wasn’t your fault, but they were so quick to blame you and turn on you. There is no [00:39:00] loyalty from Donald Trump and Trump land. Like they want everyone else to be loyal to them forever, but they have no loyalty. [00:39:05] They will fucking turn on you in a second. [00:39:08] Brett: He won’t help Rudy Giuliani with his legal costs. And Rudy Giuliani is now doing cameo [00:39:15] Christina: Oh, my God. [00:39:16] Brett: for [00:39:17] Christina: is on cameo. [00:39:18] Brett: She can get Rudy Giuliani to perjure himself to whoever you want. [00:39:23] Christina: See, I mean, I wouldn’t because I would just feel too bad, but there’s a big part of me that would love to pay $275 for him to just be like, I’m the biggest asshole in the whole world. My children hate me. And, um, and, and I, and you know, like it, would, it would just be great. Like I would totally, totally do that. [00:39:43] Brett: if it didn’t involve giving $275 to Rudy Giuliani, I would want to do that. [00:39:50] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is, oh my God. This is hilarious. I’m looking this up now. Yeah. Rudy Giuliani’s cameo. Um, he responds in 21 [00:40:00] hours. He is seven five point overviews and 226 people in his gang club. Oh. And his price has gone up to $375. [00:40:07] Brett: Oh, wow. Really, really tapping the scale out there. [00:40:11] Christina: Wow. Uh, uh, the, I doubt you’ve read it, but, um, it’s a good, um, um, read or listened to I, because I also got the audio book, but the, the newest Michael Wolf book, um, about like the days, like starting from, uh, from, from election night, like leaving up to, you know, like the, um, uh, January 6th and, and beyond, or whatnot, um, is really, really good. [00:40:37] And, uh, like it’s, it’s landslide. Like it’s, it’s fantastic actually. Uh, he’s a, he’s a piece of shit. And, uh, I’ve had my own weird things with him personally, before, like I sort of interviewed for a job with him, but it was the most bizarre job interview of my life. I think I’ve talked about this before, so I won’t get into that again, but, uh, [00:41:00] um, but the book is, is really good. [00:41:01] Like I read, um, um, you know, uh, the, the first one, um, like a fade inferior or whatever, like, um, and that was, that was pretty good, but this one has like a Fire and fury. that’s it? I didn’t read the second one, uh, because, uh, it was all about the Mueller investigation. I, I never cared about the Mueller investigation. [00:41:21] Um, to be honest, I, I knew that was just going to be a whole bunch of, I knew that I knew that was going to turn out the way that it turned out as much corruption as there was. I was like, Rachel Maddow. I was going too far down these rabbit holes and, and, and could, could do better things with her time. Um, but, uh, but landslide is great, cause it’s just the most gossipy, just like it is just pure gossip. [00:41:45] And the hilarious thing is the people who kind of pitch themselves as the heroes is the same ones are. Objectively speaking, still the worst fucking people, because these were just like the cronies who stood with him the whole damn time. And then at the [00:42:00] very end, they’re like trying to talk him out of like, they’re trying to like talk reason to him. [00:42:03] They’re trying to like tell him he lost without like telling him he lost. If you’re trying to like convince him to have an orderly transition to power. And then when it’s clear, he’s not doing it. They’re trying to kind of do stuff behind the scenes. Like they’re trying to, like once they realize how far off the wheels things are, they’re trying to like, not let the world fall apart, but what winds up happening when they realize again, cause there’s no loyalty in this place is that then like Trump, all of a sudden starts talking to Giuliani again. [00:42:28] And he and Rudy hadn’t been talking for months and all of a sudden he has time for Giuliani again. And, and, and they all were just like, get him off the phone with Rudy because Rudy. Bullshit. And in his, in his mind, and Rudy’s a drunk all the time. And like even Jenna Ellis at one point who like came and she was like, I’m taking over the, the, the legal investigation and this and that. [00:42:47] And like, she has no legal experience. And, and just, just like from a small town lawyer, and even at a certain point, even, she was like, Yeah. [00:42:54] I’m done like this. This is too much for even me. And it’s just so funny to like, read about like, [00:43:00] just That the, [00:43:03] Brett: That is the salacious content that people want. For sure. [00:43:06] Christina: oh no. It’s. So is, and then what’s, what’s really hilarious is like hope Hicks who had been like his closest, you know, like person, like, like his daughter basically. Right. Like, and, and he clearly wanted to fuck her as well. Um, but, but she was like the Trump whispers, what they called her, you know, she went to Fox news and then she came back and she was there for a long haul. [00:43:28] You know, she got COVID the same time he did. And she was pretty sick with it. And he started like jokingly, but not really blaming her on giving it to him. And that was kind of it for her. She was kinda like, I was really sick with this and, and then you’re like blaming me and then you’re not taking any of the mask stuff seriously. [00:43:47] So she basically pieced out like basically after election day, she was like, basically it was gone. And it’s, it’s just hilarious how all of these people who like they were too stupid [00:44:00] to leave, you know, when they could have maybe still been able to get book deals or, you know, like long lasting TV contracts on conservative networks or, you know, you know, the stuff that you do. [00:44:10] Cause there’s a certain point where like, I would argue anybody in the Trump administration is, is hard. You know, I would say I would hope irredeemably, but I know that’s not true, but the people. Lasted the whole four years are the ones who were definitely gonna be the worst. Cause you never want to be the last one to leave the party or the company or anything. [00:44:30] Like you never want to be last. Like you never want it because cause then you’re tainted with that forever. And so you see all these people who like, are realizing that they have fucked up and are going to be tainted with this forever and they’re still like, Yeah. [00:44:43] Um, I’m not going in. Um, [00:44:46] Brett: Yeah. [00:44:46] Christina: really interesting. [00:44:47] Brett: Yeah. Like there’s a, there’s a certain point where you can get out and people feel sorry for you. You’re you’re like a veteran of something bad and people have sympathy. [00:44:56] Christina: No, especially if you’re like early on, like, like, Yeah. [00:44:58] like I would say like, [00:45:00] uh, like what’s his face? Um, the guy who was the head of the DNC or the RNC, [00:45:03] Brett: Oh yeah, [00:45:04] Christina: right? Like he was out almost immediately and he’s fine. Um, even though he’s like a party crony or whatnot, people were like, he’s fine. Um, uh, Bolton or whatever, who, you know, like was able to kind of write his stuff like there. Yeah. There’s Sean Spicer. You know, like [00:45:22] Brett: doing cameo. [00:45:24] Christina: of course he is, of course gets like the whole grift is, is now all about that stuff. I mean, I liked cameo so much better when it was Lindsay Lohan’s mom trying to charge, like she was, she was trying to charge like $350 for cameos. And then when you would watch some of them, they were like terrible. [00:45:40] And you’re like, Hey, who wants anything from Lindsay Lohan? His mom be like that much. Really it’s like, it was, it was hilarious. But yeah. Um, it’s, it’s sad slash fitting to me that cameo. [00:45:55] is like, at this point, just right-wing rejects. But, [00:46:00] um, but yeah, that, that book, I, I, if you’d like a good salacious, gossipy said, see, read, I have to, I have to give it to him. [00:46:08] He’s he’s a troll and a cretin, but Michael Wolf writes good GOs. I, I can’t, uh, I can’t undermine that. Like, yeah. [00:46:17] Brett: I’m going to, I’m going to draw a very sketchy line here. And I’m not sure I like where it’s going, but speaking, speaking of Lindsay, Lohan’s mom, [00:46:28] Christina: Yes. [00:46:29] Brett: Hillary Duff, [00:46:31] Christina: Oh yes. [00:46:32] Brett: is starring. [00:46:34] Christina: yes. This is a perfect segue. Absolutely. Because Hillary won in the Hillary vs. Lindsey, like battle, like Hillary won, like, like she didn’t move wise, like in the day she didn’t, but long game, Hillary fucking won. [00:46:49] Brett: So she’s, she’s starring in, uh, a spinoff of how I met your mother cleverly titled how I met your father. Have you seen this? [00:46:59] Christina: Um, [00:47:00] I saw that they finally picked it up. Um, I thought the casting, yeah, [00:47:03] Brett: 10 episodes, not out yet, but, and I won’t get any screeners on it or anything, but it actually, like, I think, I think it might be watchable. [00:47:12] Christina: No, I think it might be too. And, and the thing is, um, cause originally it was going to be, I think with the actress that it played his wife, that they then like, you know, the way they did the fucking finale, which we already talked about how now is terrible. I’m not going to get into that again, but now this is like not the same universe, but it is the same con seat. [00:47:34] And um, and it’s from the same people. Um, and uh, yeah, the cast looks good. I think, I think I could be into this too. So it’s so it’s Hilary Duff. Um, Chris Lowell, who was on Barranca Mars, he was Piz, um, uh, fancier, uh, razor from Grown-ish, um, a guy from the Royals. Um, a girl from space force [00:48:00] and a guy who I’ve never heard of. [00:48:03] Um, but, uh, yeah, I could be down for this. This is, this is going to be a Hulu thing. 10 episodes. [00:48:11] Brett: Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, I jumped, I jumped ahead. We weren’t going to get to TV till the end, but that line was just hanging there. [00:48:19] Christina: I’m glad you did that. No, no, no, no. That’s perfect. And Yeah, [00:48:22] Good and good for Hillary Duff. Honestly, she’s had, um, yeah, cause like in the day, like, cause it was like, like Hillary versus Lindsey, right? Like they fought over Aaron Carter and they fought over like who is gonna be the Disney like movie queen and like Lindsey one in that kind of sense. [00:48:39] Like she had more breakouts and got to do mean girls and all that stuff. And um, and, and partied with cooler people and, and Hillary, you know, was like boring and normal. And then like, I think she got married young and, and like had a baby young and just kind of. Disappeared for a while, but like, she’s come back then. [00:48:59] She did, [00:49:00] um, uh, uh, uh, younger, I think. And she was supposed to do a hilly, uh, Lizzie McGuire reboot for Disney plus then like Disney was like, oh, this isn’t, this isn’t like friendly enough bras like this, this is too adult [00:49:15] Brett: Yeah, [00:49:15] Christina: and which is stupid. So that like ended. But, uh, but she’s like had like a nice like career Renaissance. [00:49:21] So good for her I always liked her better, [00:49:23] Brett: What’s her name? That was in, uh, this is us. [00:49:27] Christina: um, anymore. [00:49:27] Brett: Mandy Moore many more went on to great things [00:49:31] Christina: Yes she did. [00:49:32] Brett: after her one hit musical career. [00:49:35] Christina: Yeah. Well, she had like two, [00:49:36] Brett: Sure, sure. Good enough. [00:49:39] Christina: well, I mean, cause, cause, cause cause a walk to remember was like, that was the long tail thing, but [00:49:43] Brett: know that song. Never even heard that. [00:49:46] Christina: no, it was a movie and there were like three songs. [00:49:48] Brett: okay. [00:49:49] Christina: But, but Yeah, [00:49:50] like the, the big song was, was when she was like 16 candy and then, and then she had like a few others, but yeah. [00:49:56] Um, she was also married to Ryan Adams, [00:50:00] which ended up not being great for her, unfortunately. Um, but, uh, Yeah, no, she’s totally had a career Renaissance and I have to say I was wrong when this is us like premiered. I was like, this is a great show, but it stars all these people. Um, and, and there’s no way this is going to last. [00:50:17] There’s no way that a show that Mandy Moore is fronting in 2016 is going to last. I like call. I was like, this is going to be a total flop. I was so wrong. And I’m really glad I was wrong. Right. [00:50:27] Brett: show was amazing. [00:50:29] Christina: yeah. Yeah, it was, it was, I think, I think it’s still Erin. [00:50:32] Brett: I don’t know. I’m a little behind on I’m on the last season. I let it go for a little while, but I was constantly in awe of the writing on that show and the acting. It was all [00:50:46] Christina: no, the acting is really good. [00:50:47] Yeah. Um, um, the guy Fred, the, um, OJ, Esther, Elena I’m Sterling brown, um, from, uh, he’s so good. Well, he was so good in the OJ show. Oh, that’s another, we’re just talking about TV now. It’s fine. Um, [00:51:00] they released the first trailer for American crime story. The impeachment about the Clinton Lewinsky scandal. [00:51:05] Brett: Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. I saw that on Twitter. [00:51:09] Christina: I’m so excited about this. Have you, have you watched the other American crime story stuff? So there was the one on OJ Simpson people versus OJ Simpson, which okay. That, in my opinion, I’m not even joking here. I think the people versus OJ Simpson is some of the best television to come out in the last decade, came out five years ago. [00:51:27] It’s fantastic. Sterling K brown was, um, what’s his face? Um, the, uh, um, prosecuting, um, Um, uh, attorney can’t think of Chris, uh, can’t think his last name anyway. Anyway, he was perfect. He won an Emmy for it. They, it swept the Emmys that year as it. [00:51:41] should have. Um, and then the second season was the assassination of Gianni Versace, and that was also excellent. [00:51:49] And, um, they were then going to be doing one on Katrina that they scrapped. And, um, now they’re, they’re doing the, the, um, the Clinton, um, [00:52:00] thing and the casting is a little, the casting is a little weird. The casting is the only thing that I’m kind of like, but I have faith that it’s going to be good. Um, they got, um, uh, Sarah Paulson, like put on a fat suit and a bunch of prosthetics and she is Linda trip, which I think is great. [00:52:19] Um, beanie Feldstein is Monica. [00:52:22] Brett: Okay. I don’t know who that is. I know who Monica is. I don’t know who beanie Feldstein. [00:52:27] Christina: Yeah, you do. She, she was, she was in, um, um, um, um, uh, um, [00:52:34] Brett: Booksmart. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. [00:52:37] Christina: Yeah, Um, she’s, she’s the brunette and Booksmart. She was also in Ladybird and, um, she’s Jonah Hill’s, um, little sister. Here’s the thing I can. say this on this podcast. I can’t say this on another things. I can’t say this on Twitter, um, is very pretty, Monica is actually, I think, much more conventionally attractive. [00:52:58] That’s my only thing with that. Cause I [00:53:00] think being is going to do a great job, but like Monica’s prettier was prayer. Like that’s my only thing because usually it’s the inverse, you know, like you cast for your people. [00:53:11] Brett: Yeah, for sure. [00:53:12] Christina: You know, um, but, but Monica was very attractive. Um, like, like people made fun of her a lot because she had a round face and was, oh my God, a size 12 and whatnot. [00:53:21] I was like, fuck off. Right. But like, uh, you know, they were shitty to her for so many reasons, but, but I, I, I w I would pause, especially the way they made her up with her wig and steps. Like the photos I saw, I was like, oh, Monica is prettier, but I think beanie is going to do a great job. Um, uh, Clive Owen is bill Clinton that doesn’t quite track with [00:53:38] Brett: Yeah, that’s a weird, that’s a weird choice. [00:53:41] Christina: Edie, Falco as a, as Hillary. [00:53:43] Um, but I will say like, Cuba didn’t look anything like OJ and was still great. So, um, and, uh, Ross from friends was, uh, was the Kardashians, uh, in the OJ show and he was great. Uh, John Travolta [00:54:00] was, was fucking Robert Shapiro. And it was great. Like the OJ show, the two OJ things to watch for anyone who’s listening. [00:54:07] And also this is good homework for you in the future. But the first one I would say to watch is the people versus OJ Simpson, American crime story. I think it’s on Netflix. I’m almost positive. It is. If it’s not it’s on Hulu, um, because it was an FX, um, uh, show the other one. Um, and this one I know is on Netflix, but it’s also on Disney plus if you get their whole subscription thing, cause it was ESPN thing is like the six hour 30 for 30, like OJ Simpson documentary that, um, won both the Emmy and, um, the OJ OJ made in America at one, both the Emmy and the Oscar, uh, shouldn’t be possible because. [00:54:50] But, but it did because it won the Emmy. Cause it, Aaron television would win the Oscar cause it was actually broadcast in theaters. And so it qualified under the documentary rules. [00:55:00] Um, the academies have since switched to their eligibility to be like, Okay. [00:55:04] you can have one. Um, but, um, but that is, is like a tremendous, tremendous, um, uh, film. [00:55:12] Um, I would watch the, the maiden, uh, the, the people versus OJ Simpson first because it’s more fun. But up a made in America is like one of those, like, because it really goes into like his background, his life story, his whole thing, like it really does like give you the full thing of like how OJ came to be. [00:55:32] And it’s not sympathetic. It just is, but it is, but it’s, it’s incredibly incredible. Plus it’s a documentary. So one is obviously, you know, Fictionalize. It was based on Jeffrey Toobin’s book, but, but it’s still like played by actors. Um, but, uh, both of those, like 2016 was a great year for OJ content. Um, but, uh, but I’m very excited about the, um, next season of American crime story, which will be out in September. [00:55:56] So [00:55:57] Brett: I, uh, I’m sure I’ve asked you this before, [00:56:00] but have you ever listened to the podcast? You’re wrong about. [00:56:04] Christina: I don’t think so. [00:56:05] Brett: Oh, my God, you would love that podcast. You would love [00:56:08] Christina: to my list. [00:56:08] Brett: Yeah. You have to listen to that. It’s it’s uh, a man and a woman whose names. I I’m not, I don’t listen to the show enough to, to be a fan, but every time I listened to it, I think of you because they take things like Tonya Harding and Monica Lewinsky and OJ, and they do the here’s, all the thing that people got wrong about these stories. [00:56:34] And they look at here was here’s what the public thinks happened. Here’s what actually happened. And they do all the research and they do all the exposition. And it’s really good. [00:56:44] Christina: Okay. I’m subscribing to this now. Yeah. I’m looking at this. Yeah. This, this totally looks like this is completely up my alley. Okay. I’m told I’m totally into [00:56:52] Brett: I can’t, I can’t believe I’ve never asked you about that before. [00:56:55] Christina: I don’t think so. Um, I would have remembered I think, and no, this totally see. Yeah. You’re exactly right. That’s [00:57:00] completely seems like something up my alley. [00:57:02] Um, also for the Monica thing, for anybody who’s interested, there’s a documentary that came. Almost 20 years ago, um, called Monica in black and white, and it was recorded for HBO. Um, and it was fit and Bailey and, um, Randy Barbato and they are, of course now best known as the creators of RuPaul’s drag race, but they are documentarians. [00:57:25] Um, and they did like the eyes of Tammy Faye Bakker and, um, party animal, the documentary, which then became party animal, the feature film with, um, Macaulay Culkin and Seth green. And, um, they, um, they’ve done a lot of other things over the years about like, uh, gay, gay cell culture stuff. And they did an interview kind of documentary thing with her called Monica in black and white. [00:57:47] And it was like, they did like over the course of three days, they had like 10 hours of interview. Things were basically Monica. This was right after she had been let out. Whatever her, her agreement was for, for [00:58:00] immunity, where she couldn’t speak for a certain period of time. And once that had expired, she was allowed to finally talk for the first time. [00:58:05] So she did like a Barbara Walters interview, and then she did this thing that she was, she was, and she hadn’t been able to make money on it or anything. She, you know, worked with somebody on a book. And then she, she did, um, this HBO special where she basically was at like Columbia, I think, and ask questions, like answered questions, both from interviewers, like within the brushing crew, but primarily people in the audience who they literally, they could ask her anything they wanted and like they could be used rude or whatever as possible. [00:58:33] And in some cases, as you see, like towards like the end of it, like some of the questions got pretty, like th like this one guy, there’s a moment where this one guy asked her how it felt to be America’s premier blowjob queen. And he has this shit-eating grin on his face and he’s just smirking. And everybody in the audience is booing and is telling her not to answer it. [00:58:51] And then she ends up kind of like owning him and like giving a really great response. [00:58:56] Brett: She is really good at that. She has, she has [00:59:00] developed a very thick skin and a very sharp wit [00:59:03] Christina: And this was in 2002, so, or 2001, I think it was filmed. The thing came out in 2002. So that was a couple of years removed from the incident. And, you know, so she’s still really young and still doing that. [00:59:16] And I watched it when I was in college, on HBO, probably in like 2003 or something. And it totally changed my perspective on her because I had, you know, I was like 15 at the height of all the impeachment madness. And, you know, you believe what the media is saying, salacious it’s gossipy, it’s this it’s that you don’t think that much about the person. [00:59:37] You don’t think that much about like what this is doing to her and whatnot. Like, you know, and, and, and like, you know, cause she became a tabloid figure the same as like an Amy Fisher or, or a Tonya Harding or Lorena Bobbitt or whatever, you know what I mean? Like it was just one of those things you don’t think about, like the [00:59:52] Brett: and I mean, as far as public perception, she was up against the president of United States. Like that’s, that’s where the focus was. She [01:00:00] became a supporting actor in that. [01:00:03] Christina: No. And, and, and, and beyond that, like the, the administration did everything they could to put the focus on her past transgressions, if you want to call them that and it, and on her personality and, and whatnot, because that took the emphasis off of him. Right? Like the more you could talk about the spectacle that was Monica, the less, you had to focus on the fact that the president was having this improper relationship while in office, while the government is shut down, you know, like the less [01:00:28] Brett: literally in the office. [01:00:30] Christina: exactly, exactly. [01:00:31] Like you, you, you, the last focus on that when you, when you can pin it on, you know, this young woman. And when I watched Monica in black and white and, and it’s on YouTube, if you search for it, it’s in, it’s in multiple parts. Um, uh, but it’s not available, like to actually officially stream anywhere. I don’t think, um, because I was looking for, and I couldn’t find it. [01:00:51] It like the stuff that she says in it, isn’t so much new now. Like she’s given her Ted talk and she’s written stuff for vanity fair and she’s done other things. So I think people are more [01:01:00] familiar with it, but it was really fascinating to watch. I watched it again yesterday, actually for the first time in probably since 2003. [01:01:08] And I was struck by like a, how fucking awful that experience was for her and how terribly she was treated and how she didn’t ask for any of this. Right. Like she, she did lie. She lied on the deposition. That’s what got her in trouble. Um, cause she did what any like right seeming person would do, who was having, who had like an illicit relationship with the present of the United States. [01:01:31] You would lie about that. Like you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t expect that someone who you thought was your friend had been recording your conversations because they had a vendetta against, you know, people in the white house because they hadn’t, you know, been promoted the way they wanted to and want us to get a book deal. [01:01:47] Right. That’s not what you would expect like today, maybe you would, right. Like today I think that because of Linda trip and stuff like that, we’d be more thoughtful about, Okay. [01:01:56] what do I want to share with someone? I don’t know that well over the phone, but like in [01:02:00] nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety seven, whenever she’s not thinking that. [01:02:03] So, but it was just, I rewatched it and it was just really harrowing because I was just struck again by like how terribly she was treated, how her life is. Well, as never, she’s never been allowed to have a normal life or anything even remotely, you know, like she will always be Monica Lewinsky. Like there’s nothing she can do about that. [01:02:22] And, um, how honest and like raw she was with her answers. Like it was really, really remarkable anyway. Um, that’s another tangent, but if people are interested in the impeachment American crime story thing, I definitely recommend seeking out, um, Monica in black and white from the drag race guys, because I thought, especially when you consider it was a full, it was like 15 years before. People started to reconsider her. Um, it was ahead of its time. [01:02:52] Brett: I’m going to, I’m going to stick one more ad read and. [01:02:55] Christina: Yeah, of course. 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It [01:04:48] Christina: No, when it’s, it said you got like Christina unhinged rants and I apologize for that. [01:04:53] Brett: Well, I mean, to be fair in that last bit, there was some golden Christina ranting going on [01:05:00] to [01:05:00] Christina: Hmm. [01:05:01] Brett: me, but it was still fresh. It was like fresh Christina ranting [01:05:05] Christina: Right [01:05:06] Brett: off, off the, off the dome. [01:05:08] Christina: the chain. Yep. [01:05:09] Brett: Yeah. Anyway. Good job, Christina. We pulled off an hour. [01:05:13] Christina: We pulled off an hour. Thank you, Brett. Sorry that, uh, our, our first bit, uh, didn’t uh, share, but, uh, yeah. And then we missed talking about some of the stuff we were going to talk about. We’ll get into it. We’ll find stuff in the future to talk about. [01:05:25] Brett: Yeah. I mean, Brittany will still be that whole thing will still be [01:05:29] Christina: I will explain, actually, if anything, we will have more information about the Brittany thing hopefully next week. So I think after, I think, or next time we record, cause you might know you’re recording next week, but next time we record after we do Brett’s mental health corner, we will do a Brittany update. [01:05:44] Brett: I will be here next week. [01:05:46] Christina: You will be here next week. Okay. [01:05:47] Brett: Yes. All right. Well, I know you’re well rested, but I still insist that you get some sleep. [01:05:54] Christina: Thank you. You as well, get some sleep, Brett.

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[00:00:32] Christina: [00:00:32] it’s going to be one of [00:00:33] those days, [00:00:34] Brett: [00:00:34] I’ve been sleeping so much lately. I’m I’m in that like low energy part of my month with my like recent cycle of like manic episodes. Just, just regular depressive episodes. But I’m not, I’m not depressed. Like [00:00:49] I’m in a, I’m in a, great mood. Yeah, just super [00:00:52] tired, just, oh, and it’s bad timing with like the big hands-on lab coming up. [00:00:58] Christina: [00:00:58] Yeah. Yeah, [00:01:00] because you’re in crunch time. Um, first, uh, I guess we should get into that. Um, for Brett Brett’s mental health corner slash uh, bread set, work update, um, things work out okay. With work with you not having the thing done. Like I, like I [00:01:14] Brett: [00:01:14] Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Everything’s cool. Uh, the guy building the lab came through and I was able to write up all of my stuff. Um, a little bit. There, I wished the lab was more interactive. Like that’s kind of the point of a hands-on lab is to really be hands-on. But in order to, in order to change, like if you wanted to play around with the, the inputs to the machine learning, it takes 40 minutes to compile the changes [00:01:46] in a two hour lab that [00:01:48] is. Untenable. So we’re basically, we’re, we’re explaining to people like how to do this on your own. And they have like 30 days of, uh, like $500 in credits to [00:02:00] use with the cloud platform. So they’ll have plenty of time to play with it. And my goal is to make sure they, they know how to buy. End of the lab. So that’s, you know, that’s my responsibility. [00:02:11] I’m cool with it. Things are going well. I learned the hard way that Jupiter lab does not autosave. I had gone through, I had spent an entire day like adding notes to the notebooks so that people could understand what was happening, uh, change, how, like I went in and changed the legends on all of the charts that it output so that they made more sense. [00:02:34] Uh, They were not written by a native English speakers. So tons of, of minor edits. And I just assumed, like, because in this day and age who hits save like everything auto saves, but then my computer crashed, which is another problem I’m having lately. And, uh, and, uh, I lost a whole day of, uh, of edits. So, you know, that was cool. [00:03:00] [00:02:59] Christina: [00:02:59] Yeah, no. When you told me about that, like, I felt so bad and then I actually looked into It Cause I thought I was like, I thought Jupiter notebooks had autosave and it does, but I guess maybe whatever you were using didn’t work or maybe you didn’t have the interval set the right way or whatever. [00:03:12] Brett: [00:03:12] It saves checkpoints, but you still have to manually hit save. [00:03:18] Christina: [00:03:18] okay. Also, I will confess here that at this point, I use visual studio code [00:03:24] Brett: [00:03:24] Of course you do. Yeah. Yeah. [00:03:27] Christina: [00:03:27] well, you know, but this is the lesson you and I learned. I mean, this is actually like the ultimate lesson, which is like, never write in the CMS. [00:03:39] Brett: [00:03:39] Right. [00:03:40] Christina: [00:03:40] And, and the Jupiter notebook is, is a CMS. [00:03:43] The problem is it’s like a web app. So you know, like, like, uh, um, I think JetBrains has like support in, in visual studio code does and some other things, but there aren’t like, know, nobody’s made like a native way to do [00:03:57] it cause it’s a web app. So [00:03:59] Brett: [00:03:59] I mean, [00:04:00] with WordPress, like I never used to write in the WordPress editor. [00:04:04] But it’s gotten so good at like auto-save, you can completely crash or your web browser can close out and you can come back and everything’s there because it auto saves frequently. [00:04:18] Christina: [00:04:18] Right, which is nice when that happens. I don’t know. Uh, I I’ve been, and I w I’m sure that I would have made a similar mistake to you or could have like, cause, cause we all have those lessons. We have to like relearn it or whatever, either relearn having to save frequently. [00:04:33] or relearn, like use something that has like a, a better mechanism. [00:04:39] I, for whatever reason, I don’t care what it is. Even when I’ve seen really graceful, restores from saving in the web editor in a browser. That’s just, it’s one of those things where I’m just like, no, I’m not doing [00:04:51] this. Like I’m not saving in the browser. [00:04:53] Brett: [00:04:53] Yeah, I understand. I just, because this was running in a cloud compute [00:04:59] that [00:05:00] I didn’t have easy SSH access to. And like, it was very complicated. [00:05:06] I. [00:05:07] Christina: [00:05:07] understand again, like I’m just going to plug it again. Cause you could use it with your same things, like visual studio code. You can use it to do like cloud instance stuff where you could be loading the project from like your server and it would handle all the SSH and all that stuff with it. [00:05:23] Um, but yeah, I totally, um, that would require you’d probably would install something like on a server, which. He may or may not be able to provision so I could see how that could be a problem. But no, I, I get, I get exactly what you’re saying when you’re like in a situation where you can’t configure your tools the way you want, and you’re having to use the browser everything’s been working great. [00:05:43] You thought that it was autosaving something went wrong and you realize, oh, this really wasn’t doing what I thought I was going to do. And now I [00:05:49] have to redo stuff and that’s the worst. [00:05:52] Brett: [00:05:52] I had to walk away for like two hours just to like, just [00:05:55] cope with cope, with the loss for a little. [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] 100%. No, and we’ve all been there. [00:06:00] And again, like the, the rule of like, don’t edit in the CMS, we all learn it we’ve [00:06:05] lost things that [00:06:07] Brett: [00:06:07] Sure. Like we, we both come from the, uh, the blog world [00:06:12] Christina: [00:06:12] Yeah. [00:06:12] Brett: [00:06:12] writing for, for large, large organizations that expect you to write in the CMS. And we’ve both spent, you know, our entire careers, finding ways around that. [00:06:22] Christina: [00:06:22] I was going to say exactly like we basically, Yeah. [00:06:25] That’s exactly what we found our entire careers around doing what they wanted us to do. Like to the point where Um, I, I was using marked even at, um, it gives Moto in Kenya. I don’t know what its status is now, but I doubt it’s [00:06:38] Brett: [00:06:38] Oh, right. Yeah. [00:06:40] Christina: [00:06:40] W w will great hill the company that bought Gawker from Univision, um, not a good company almost everybody has left. [00:06:49] And I’m not sure how many members of the development team are there. But when I was there, um, both in the pre, in the, in the, during Univision era, [00:07:00] I was actually kind of impressed by. How there, you know, they had a pretty robust product team and the CMS I have to say pretty good. but I still was still paranoid that I would write in my, you know, text editor and use marked And then like copy marked into like RTF to paste [00:07:18] Brett: [00:07:18] Yeah. [00:07:19] Christina: [00:07:19] into [00:07:20] Brett: [00:07:20] Yeah. And it, somehow that work that’s how good Kendra was though. Like the, the bane of CMS is back in the day was people would try to paste from word and they would get horrible markup. Um, and then these newer systems came along where you could paste rich text into them and get perfectly clean markup. [00:07:41] And that was that’s cool. Um, I’m not going to lie. That’s cool. [00:07:45] Christina: [00:07:45] I know, and I was happy with that. I was like, Okay. [00:07:47] I can’t do my custom kind of, you know, input the way that I would want to, but I, the it’ll do the RTF and was good enough. And I’m going again. This was, you know, five years ago, um, uh, four or five years ago, but it was good enough that it actually supported [00:08:00] embed stuff fairly well. [00:08:02] Like it would, it would, you know, um, uh, uh, in a Wiziwig style handle that. Quite well, but also if you did need to go in and edit, the actual code [00:08:11] Brett: [00:08:11] Okay. [00:08:11] Christina: [00:08:11] actually let you access that. Whereas like the that Mashable built, which was a dumb thing for them to build, and that whole product team was gone within a year of it being built because was sold and they all. [00:08:26] Brett: [00:08:26] Yeah. [00:08:26] Christina: [00:08:26] deemed needle, you know, and, and certainly they weren’t like, you know, zip Davis or, or, or the corpse of Ziff Davis or whatever, who, uh, who bought Nashville. Didn’t, uh, didn’t buy it for the CMS, but in that case, Like they’d, over-engineered it. And they had all these things, but it didn’t work that well. [00:08:43] And I was like, okay, I need actually a way to like and edit the main markup. And they were like, we’ll, we’ll maybe give you access, but we really don’t want you to do that because it can break some other things. Okay, but that’s not my problem. Like [00:09:00] I need to work in. Right. And I’m not saying that that was why I left it wasn’t but it certainly like helped when I was like, I’m not using this fucking CMS. [00:09:08] Like, this is just bad [00:09:10] experience. [00:09:11] Brett: [00:09:11] AOL AOL tech made, uh, an attempt at building their own CMS and like the idea behind it was good. Uh, you know how WordPress has like a block editor now? [00:09:24] Uh, that was, that was their, their kind of it, this was before Gutenberg came out, but that was the premise of what they wanted to rebuild. And it wasn’t a horrible idea, but in much the same way they tried to abstract so far away from actual HTML markup that I felt like it was a mistake because in the end we are producing HTML markup and you [00:09:47] can’t really. [00:09:49] Christina: [00:09:49] That’s the thing. I mean, honestly, that’s my problem with, with Gutenberg? Um, well, I have a lot of problems with Gutenberg. I have a lot of problems with, get what WordPress is trying to do. WordPress has been stuck in this weird middle phase. I feel like [00:10:00] for number of years where are very actively trying to compete with Squarespace and Wix and, um, uh, what’s the, what’s the builder that everybody uses. [00:10:09] Um, the, the front end one that people like. [00:10:12] Brett: [00:10:12] I don’t know. [00:10:13] Christina: [00:10:13] Um, I can’t think of the name of it, but it’s like a commercial. It’s a, it’s a SAS CMS. I can’t think of the name of it right now. They’re trying to compete with those things. They’re also really trying to compete with Shopify, like kicks ass and they’re like, oh, use woo commerce, user hosted stuff, whatever. [00:10:26] Cool. Whatever problem is, is that most of your older school, like developers, agencies and people who’ve been with WordPress. Aren’t part of that world. And so it was this weird thing where you can’t do all this stuff with the blocks that you could do with the old world, also the old, like developers and people don’t know. [00:10:46] JavaScript well enough to do the new stuff. [00:10:48] So it’s just kind of a shit [00:10:50] show. [00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] Yeah. Yeah. So I got a corporate Amex card. [00:10:56] Christina: [00:10:56] Hell [00:10:56] yeah. What have you bought on it? So. [00:10:59] Brett: [00:10:59] I will, [00:11:00] I am about to charge a bunch of video equipment because I am now expected to make dynamic looking exciting videos. Uh, I somehow got roped into that, but it’s cool. Um, I’m, I’m gonna, I’m gonna be a video personality. Think about this card is they did this cool thing where like, it’s got this, the whole thing looks like a dollar bill, right? [00:11:24] This kind of banner that says members sense. Uh, it’s clear so that like, if you hold it up to light, it glows through it, except for they put different words in the same banner on the back. So when you do hold it up too late, you just get a jumble of forwards and backwards letters. That’s completely unreadable. [00:11:43] And I don’t understand why you would take something that cool and then write reclaim. Cause it’s all reclaimed plastic. So they put reclaimed in the banner on the other side anyway, minor quirk, uh, um, I’m, I’m pretty sick. I haven’t had a corporate credit [00:12:00] card since, uh, what is it like 2005. It’s been awhile. [00:12:05] This is fun. [00:12:06] Christina: [00:12:06] Yeah, No, it’s totally fun. Do you have any other American express? [00:12:09] Brett: [00:12:09] No, should I? [00:12:12] Christina: [00:12:12] Um, it’s my favorite credit card, but, uh, I? [00:12:15] have like three of them. Um, [00:12:17] Brett: [00:12:17] Yeah. [00:12:18] Christina: [00:12:18] no, but I pay them off in full every month. It’s [00:12:20] Brett: [00:12:20] Sure. Sure. Sure. [00:12:21] Christina: [00:12:21] Um, like their membership reward stuff. I liked some of their perks. I will say, if you are going to consider getting like a personal Amex card, pay the $75 to, um, get your points, your, the membership reward points that you earn on your corporate card to go to your personal. [00:12:37] Brett: [00:12:37] Okay. Good tip. [00:12:39] Good. [00:12:40] Christina: [00:12:40] a one-time thing. that way, any of the stuff you earn on your corporate card will get those things. And, and the, they often have like Good. [00:12:47] good redemption deals and other stuff. If we ever are able to travel again, they have good things for that, but you can also use them for other stuff. And they’re usually valued at about 2 cents of points. [00:12:57] So. [00:12:57] Brett: [00:12:57] I’m supposed to be traveling [00:13:00] again as early as this fall, but all those plans were made before [00:13:04] the Delta variant. [00:13:05] Christina: [00:13:05] I was going to say everybody’s pushed back the stuff like we’re not going into the offices now. They say earliest will be October 7th. Um, have finally, I’m glad I had mentioned this last episode. I think that I wanted them to require people to be vaccinated and that is actually happening. [00:13:23] Brett: [00:13:23] Oh, [00:13:24] Christina: [00:13:24] Which is good. Cause, cause they’d said in January they were like, oh, we won’t force people to do that. And I kind of get why they wanted to get out ahead of that. I kind of don’t, I’m kind of like, know, don’t make promises like that and fucking force people to get vaccinated. Now it’s going to be a requirement. [00:13:38] Any vendor, any visitor, any like anybody who enters the offices is going to have to upload proof of [00:13:44] vaccination. So that’s good. [00:13:46] Brett: [00:13:46] I’m down with it [00:13:49] like this whole, this whole, huh? R w we, we could be, we could be almost back and normal. Now, [00:13:57] if, if everyone was. [00:13:58] Christina: [00:13:58] this stuff. if, everybody had gotten [00:14:00] their fucking shots, this wouldn’t have mutated. I mean, that’s what pisses me off is that we’re all going to have to go back to the fucking mask bullshit. And the other stuff I went on this rant last week, but now I’m just mad about it on Owen she’ll never listen. [00:14:12] My fucking sister still isn’t vaccinated and is like refusing to get vaccinated. And I know, and my parents are pissed. My mom doesn’t want to be like alone in, in confined spaces with her. And I don’t blame her boss, I’m hoping who is a doctor is going to be like, if you’re going to continue to work with me, you have to be vaccinated. [00:14:32] I’m hoping that that will have to be done, but she’s, she keeps coming up with random excuses and it’s so stupid. And with her, she’s not a dumb person, but she’s not as smart as she thinks she is, you can’t tell her anything. Well, my mom blames this and my mom’s not wrong. My mom blames the back that she was. [00:14:51] tested when she was four and was found to have a genius IQ. [00:14:54] And my mom was dumb enough to tell her that. So she has this complex, her whole fucking life, a not realizing, you know, your [00:15:00] IQ goes down as you, as you get older and be like, doesn’t mean that you have common sense or good judgment, which she has neither. So, but. She is smart enough to be like, you can’t tell her anything. [00:15:12] So it’s really frustrating arguing with her because even if you’re an expert in something, she’ll be convinced that she knows better and there’s like, [00:15:18] nothing you can do [00:15:20] Brett: [00:15:20] Does your IQ go down as you get older? [00:15:22] Christina: [00:15:22] well from when they test it. Yes. So like, if you get tested when you’re like four or five or under. Your IQ will be lower if they test you when you’re like 20 or 30 or whatever. don’t think that you actually get dumber, I think is just the, I guess maybe the range or how they’re testing it. That [00:15:40] changes [00:15:40] Brett: [00:15:40] I feel dumber. Like I test, I have a high IQ and I was put into like all kinds of gifted programs. [00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] same. [00:15:50] Brett: [00:15:50] And, uh, I definitely, I I’ve, I always blamed the drugs, but I definitely feel dumber. Like it [00:16:00] takes me so much longer. Cognitive function takes me so much longer than it did when I was a kid. [00:16:07] Christina: [00:16:07] Yeah. I don’t know. It’s hard for me to kind of grasp. I don’t know. I feel sometimes I feel like I am in this room. I feel like I’m not, I don’t know, because part of it, because of them like, okay, if I actually apply myself and I actually do stuff, I’m a pretty smart person. I don’t think I’m dumb or there was a period of time, especially when I was like, You know, post-college and I was kind of in like my quarter-life like fuck-up period where I was like, didn’t know what to do with my life, where I was like cursive to get to child, you know, I [00:16:32] Brett: [00:16:32] Yeah. [00:16:32] Christina: [00:16:32] the, things was like, I was like, Yeah. [00:16:34] I was going to be all these things and look at me now. [00:16:37] Brett: [00:16:37] Yeah. [00:16:38] Christina: [00:16:38] I’m a blogger part time. Like what the fuck? [00:16:43] Brett: [00:16:43] Yeah. Yeah. [00:16:45] Christina: [00:16:45] know, like it, it was the part-time part. That was the real thing, but this was awesome. When I graduated from college and the financial crisis happened and I was like, well, I’m not going to get into law school. All my grades, like, man, I could get in with the L Sapp, but [00:17:00] like, I’m not going to get, you know, like, no one’s going to give you money to go. [00:17:03] And, uh, and my parents were like, we paid a whole bunch of money for your undergrad. The financial crisis has hit us pretty hard. Cause your dad’s in real estate. Um, best of luck to you. If you’re doing that, it’s coming out of your own pocket and I’m like, Yeah. that’s not a risk I want to take. But Yeah. [00:17:20] there was like a whole lot of me where I was like, okay, oh, you know how all these like great, you know, like and expectations and I’m a fuck up, but you know, like a decade after all that I’m like, Yeah. Actually worked out. Okay. So [00:17:33] I feel better. 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Any sort of, you know, uh, child, uh, you know, sexual abuse, imagery, any of that stuff is, is a poor and, and terrible and shouldn’t exist. [00:21:14] Uh, that said, um, the way that apple and the way that they’re presenting this is they, they, they had this whole big like press briefing thing, um, on Thursday where they were like, oh, look at all the things we’re going to be doing to a limit, you know, like, uh, you know, um, uh, you know, Like harmful images of children from, from getting out there it was like, oh, this is great. [00:21:38] And then you look into it and you’re like, actually, this whole thing is pretty fucked on a lot of levels. So basically announced that they are doing two different things. Um, is they’re calling this expanded protections for children. So the first thing that they’re doing. Is, they are doing CSAM, uh, uh, detection where [00:22:00] basically they there’s like a database that is maintained by like one of the government agencies has known, um, you know, abusive, um, imagery and it, uh, really bad stuff. [00:22:11] And they are using the hashes from that they will be comparing. Device side, like, so client side, um, photos that are on your phone and they will basically be able to like figure out like if the hash matches or not. So they’re not like doing AI to say, oh, this is, this is a child it’s being like, no, the, the, you know, algorithmic hash of this photo matches this book. [00:22:35] Now they claim if they, you know, find out that it matches or not that they’re not doing anything with it until that file is uploaded to iCloud. but it’s still like a pretty problematic thing to be like, okay, your phone. Now, the stuff that you do on your phone is now being scanned and monitored by apple. [00:23:00] [00:23:00] Like that, that I know [00:23:00] Brett: [00:23:00] Kinda, but it is device side. [00:23:04] Christina: [00:23:04] Yeah, but that honestly, I think makes it worse. Like, in this case it’s device side, but it’s like, they’re, they’re claiming they’re not doing anything with it until it uploads, but that also means that they could change things like device side. [00:23:20] Like it should be other databases too. [00:23:22] So I feel like the slippery slope is, is pretty gargantuan. Like, and, and not even, not even gargantuan the actually opposite of that, I feel like is actually a really. Low slope to go from. we’re going to have database of hashes for, you know, uh, [00:23:41] Brett: [00:23:41] Child porn. [00:23:42] Christina: [00:23:42] porn. [00:23:43] too. We’re going to use the database, um, of, of terrorist content, which actually has been created. [00:23:49] Uh, people have created that sort of thing, but eff, um, had a really good, um, blog on, uh, on their website, um, kind of highlighting some of these problems. So. [00:24:00] And, and, and I think it also becomes a problem where it’s like, okay, so, you know, and, and you’re having to trust them to basically say, oh, we’re not doing anything with this until we upload it. [00:24:07] And I’m like, okay, but what opportunities do you have to upload or not? Because depending on how you’re using iCloud and, and, and, and, and I photos stuff that. You don’t really have option unless you turn all of that stuff off. So that in and of itself, I have some problems with, um, although like, I think like the idea is good. [00:24:31] I don’t know. It just seems to me like, [00:24:34] Brett: [00:24:34] So when, when, when they find a problematic image though, aren’t they just blurring it, uh, like three levels of blood. And [00:24:42] notifying parents. [00:24:43] Christina: [00:24:43] No, that’s different. That’s different. Which I actually think that thing is worse. There’s two separate things. They completed them and made a part of one announcement. the first thing is that they’re doing this CSAM detection based on the photo set. Um, you know, this is maintained by the national center for missing and exploited children. [00:25:00] [00:25:00] And then the other feature. Scans all I message images sent or received by child accounts. And so that’s all accounts that are designated as someone who’s under 18. And then, um, it, it scans them all for sexually explicit material. And then if the child is young enough, notify the parents. [00:25:18] that those images are sent or received, and that feature can be turned on or off by parents. [00:25:24] beach I think Is really fucked, because to me that feature. And the FF says this I’m I’m, I’m basically kind of like, uh, quoting from them like, uh, directly here is basically makes, um, a complete mockery of, of the fact that like they’re, they’re end to end encryption doesn’t exist. Like, what are apple calls? [00:25:45] It is no longer secure messaging because if you are doing that sort of AI scanning, which is not based on the hashes, which is not based on the child stuff, which is just based on their own machine learning to say, is a pornographic image. Um, and you’re, you’re been notifying the user, [00:26:00] Hey, this is pornographic. [00:26:01] And then they’re giving you a pop-up. If you want to view this, we’re going to send it to your parents. if you’re between 13 and 17, why they’re even showing you a pop up, they’re claiming they’re not going to send it to your parents, but they’re like, oh, you sure you want to view this? Um, but if you’ve been sent it to like a, another kid, if you say yes, and it comes into their chat, like their parents are going to get notified and they’re not even going to get a, pop-up like, it’s the whole thing is fucked. [00:26:26] Like kids are going to get out it, like kids are going to get [00:26:29] outed because of this. [00:26:31] Brett: [00:26:31] Is that really a bad thing? [00:26:34] Christina: [00:26:34] yeah. I mean if you okay, if you’ve got gay kids [00:26:37] Brett: [00:26:37] Oh, you mean out it out? [00:26:38] Christina: [00:26:38] yes, yes. [00:26:40] Brett: [00:26:40] Huh? [00:26:42] Christina: [00:26:42] I mean, think about it. Like if you, if you’ve got kids who are dealing with like, you know, like sexuality confusion and whatnot, and they are receiving messages and look, I’m not getting into morality thing, frankly. [00:26:52] It’s not my shop at it’s on apple shop either. Like leave that to the third party services that want to sell software to [00:27:00] parents. I don’t understand why apple needs to be in this business, but I’ll tell you what bothers me even getting aside my own. Issues with apple being paternalistic, like assholes about this, and I’m sorry, but they, they don’t need to be involved in this. [00:27:12] This is not their business. Like this doesn’t need to be part of their bottom line. They’re not going to make any money off of this. Like, the fuck out of like, you know, like teenagers, like sex, honestly. Is that they do it with that, they basically just shown to governments like the Chinese communist party and, um, you know, to Hong Kong and to, and to others, you know, Russia, India to say, oh, we’re going to be able to go through and identify if content is offensive in another way. [00:27:40] And we can alert people of it is. And if they choose to view it, we can send it to the government like [00:27:47] Brett: [00:27:47] Yeah, that’s problematic. [00:27:48] Christina: [00:27:48] that’s not an insane thing to think about that. It’s not insane to think that China would be like, yes, if you share a winning the poo image, going to upload that to the government. Like that’s not actually an out-of-bounds thing to think about. [00:27:58] Like that’s actually [00:28:00] completely, completely like, like that seems completely likely, I’m not saying that that’s going to happen, but if someone told you that that happened, you wouldn’t be surprised. I mean, keep in mind, this is the same country forests. You know, the, the, the minority, um, Muslim population, to install malware on their phones so that they could track and stock them. [00:28:23] So like, you know, in, in, in, in like it didn’t, you know, to connect, you know, genocide. Like this is not a country that is going to in the least bit, be like, oh, yes, if you’ve said something against your leader, or immediately sending [00:28:36] this, you know, [00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] Yeah, no, I, I, I see the, I see the pitfalls there for sure. [00:28:43] I see where you’re coming from. [00:28:45] Christina: [00:28:45] So I’m pissed about it, cause it just seems like I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t even be so mad if apple didn’t sell themselves as the fucking privacy. And to me, you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say that you’re the privacy company and talk about like everything that’s on your iPhone [00:29:00] stays on your iPhone and then monitor people’s eye messages if it’s a designated as a child account. [00:29:04] But that shows that if you can do it for the child accounts, that you could do it for accounts and other places, and you could do it for other things. if you’re saying, yeah, we’re going to be doing client side, know, surveillance and marking. If stuff is upgraded or not. I think I’d have less of an issue with the CSAM stuff. [00:29:23] the reason that they had to do it, client side because all the photos that were stored were encrypted, but they’re not. [00:29:30] Brett: [00:29:30] Yeah. [00:29:31] Christina: [00:29:31] So they could, and in fact, they already have, in some cases, run images that are stored those databases. So I don’t like, there’s nothing in their white paper that explains why they need to do that. [00:29:43] They go into all these details about how secure their stuff is, but it’s like, it ignores the fact that, and I call it backup is not encrypted. Like your messages, your photos, your mails, like all these things are not encrypted. emoji’s are actually. Your fucking [00:29:57] Brett: [00:29:57] Okay. [00:29:57] Christina: [00:29:57] are and your apple car transactions [00:30:00] that, you know, any law enforcement agency can reach out to, um, Goldman Sachs and get a list of all of your credit card transactions. [00:30:08] Brett: [00:30:08] Okay. [00:30:08] Christina: [00:30:08] Um, that’s such encrypted. Yeah. [00:30:10] because I mean that, that would be very easy. Those two things are encrypted your emojis and your, and your, your applecart transactions are encrypted. Um, and can’t be unlocked and your passwords, which is a good thing. Like your key chain is encrypted, but everything else, um, is. [00:30:25] Not encrypted in, in, in, I called backups. If they were, if they were announcing this and they were saying, Hey, by the way I call it, backups are now going to be completely encrypted. And because of that, have to do this fingerprinting. Okay. [00:30:38] Like, I still have problems with it I still feel like it’s a slippery slope and it could go into a way that I don’t like. [00:30:44] And I don’t like, I don’t like the rationale of saying, because we want to stop this one bad thing. We’re doing this. We’re, we’re, we’re making this exception because that’s how you get shit like and sista, was [00:30:56] Brett: [00:30:56] Yeah. [00:30:56] Christina: [00:30:56] about stopping sex trafficking and has actually just made things [00:31:00] worse [00:31:00] Brett: [00:31:00] Yeah. [00:31:01] Christina: [00:31:01] and, you know, and so, so I feel like it’s like, Okay. [00:31:04] you can. [00:31:05] But you, but you could at least have an argument. You could at least have that conversation, right now the photos aren’t encrypted anyway. So who the hell cares? Like why does it need to be done to by side? I don’t know. I’m just, I’m bothered by the whole thing. So that’s my. [00:31:19] Brett: [00:31:19] Right. I’m you make a lot of sense. Like I had not considered a lot of these points. I did not read anything, uh, from the eff since I read that or announcement, but yeah. [00:31:30] Christina: [00:31:30] we’ll put our, we’ll put the link in the, in the show notes. And I should say that, like, when I found out about this, I was hopping mad with, um, a friend of mine who works the eff. Um, but yeah. I was saying all. [00:31:42] the same things. Like we actually were freaked out because we were realizing that the quarantine has made us the same brain that, that, that freaks both of us out. [00:31:51] I wasn’t, it wasn’t like by, you know, I mean, like, I, I was, Apple’s like biggest defender and like supporter when they fought against [00:32:00] during the, the San Bernie Bernardino shit. And I thought that they did the right thing. I’m, I’m going to be very critical here because. I dunno, like I take civil liberties very seriously and I don’t know. [00:32:13] It honestly, it would bother me. It would bother me less of Google or Amazon or Facebook did this because they don’t pretend. To be the privacy companies. They don’t pretend to [00:32:22] Brett: [00:32:22] At all. [00:32:23] Christina: [00:32:23] They don’t fucking pretend. almost makes it worse when like you have ad campaigns and you sell yourself as a worst, so much better. [00:32:31] then you do shit like this, which is so clearly, and almost like blatantly to get the feds, to like leave them alone. [00:32:44] Brett: [00:32:44] Yeah. So did you watch physical yet? [00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] Um, [00:32:50] Brett: [00:32:50] Apple TV? [00:32:51] Christina: [00:32:51] Yes, yes, yes, yes, Yes. Yes. [00:32:53] Brett: [00:32:53] yes, [00:32:54] So I’m very much looking forward to the last episode I got totally hooked on that show. I’m like, [00:33:00] [00:33:00] I’m super glad Ted lasso is back. I, I, um, I’m going to be watching the hell out of that, but physical was really good. [00:33:08] Christina: [00:33:08] I agree. [00:33:09] Brett: [00:33:09] I really liked this surfer, dude. I really, I love this surfer dude. [00:33:13] Christina: [00:33:13] oh, and apparently it has been, um, um, renewed for a season. [00:33:17] Brett: [00:33:17] Oh, cool. That’s great news. Um, [00:33:19] Christina: [00:33:19] news because I, I mean, um, w we don’t know yet how we’re going to go on, like, the Netflix, like, support don’t support thing, You know [00:33:30] Brett: [00:33:30] yeah. [00:33:30] Christina: [00:33:30] I’m glad that [00:33:31] they, they renewed it for season two. [00:33:33] Brett: [00:33:33] You know what my comfort show is become. Did I tell you already? [00:33:37] Christina: [00:33:37] Um, is it, it’s not Frazier? [00:33:39] Brett: [00:33:39] No, it was Frazier? [00:33:41] And then it, like, we got into some like more modern stuff. We did parks and rec and the office and, um, all of that stuff. But lately got back into Chuck. [00:33:56] Christina: [00:33:56] I loved Chuck. [00:33:57] Brett: [00:33:57] It w like season one, [00:33:59] Chuck is [00:34:00] kind of a throwaway show. Uh, it’s very cookie cutter formula, but season two, it’s still a bunch of bottle episodes, but it’s far more interesting and better character development. [00:34:12] And I’m actually like, I’m looking forward to watching it. Uh, we’re also doing community right now [00:34:18] for like my. [00:34:18] Christina: [00:34:18] was, I was actually going to, I was going to ask if you were [00:34:20] watching community because community is one of my. [00:34:21] comfort. Yeah. [00:34:22] Brett: [00:34:22] Yeah, for sure. At community kind of like the goat, I, something about the like six season. Like it, it loses some charm for me. Yeah. But, uh, but it’s still awesome. [00:34:36] Christina: [00:34:36] It’s still a great, well, I mean, there is to them at that point they’d been canceled, renewed, canceled, renewed, [00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] Hm. [00:34:41] Christina: [00:34:41] and then like Yahoo of all people like save them and then they cut the budget, you know? And like it just, Donald Glover was like, actually I’m gonna like be on my way to, to like an EGOT winner because [00:34:54] Brett: [00:34:54] Sure. [00:34:55] Christina: [00:34:55] have no doubt that’s probably going to happen for him. [00:34:58] and, uh, [00:35:00] yeah, it ran [00:35:01] out of steam. [00:35:02] Brett: [00:35:02] 6, 6, 6, at six seasons in a movie. [00:35:05] Christina: [00:35:05] Yup. mean, look, they could make it happen. I mean, it would be a lot, but I think that, um, Dan Harmon problem, I mean, he, they, keeps claiming that he wants to happen. I feel like Donald Glover is probably going to be the hardest one. To get, uh, his timing around, [00:35:20] Brett: [00:35:20] Okay. [00:35:21] Christina: [00:35:21] actually, probably Dan Harmon too, because of Rick and Morty and other stuff. [00:35:24] But I mean, they did, they did pretty well. It lasted way than anybody thought that it would happen. And it maintained, I think for like, yeah, that last season is not the best, but it it’s pretty good. But, um, Chuck is a great show. Um, [00:35:38] Brett: [00:35:38] I [00:35:39] Christina: [00:35:39] you know, who, created Chuck, [00:35:40] Brett: [00:35:40] know who created a chart? [00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] Josh Schwartz and, uh, and, and you know what Josh Schwartz Creek. [00:35:47] Brett: [00:35:47] No. [00:35:49] Christina: [00:35:49] Doc and gossip girl. [00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] Oh, suddenly don’t care. [00:35:56] Christina: [00:35:56] I know. I just, I it funny because you really liked [00:36:00] shuck and like, I think that’s the, I just think it’s like shows the talents of like a good show runner or show creator [00:36:04] that he could have, [00:36:06] Brett: [00:36:06] To be fair. I enjoyed season one of the OSI. I fell off the, [00:36:12] the, uh, the train, the wet, no, I fell off the train, uh, after season one, but it was a good show. [00:36:20] I’m not, I’m not dissing the OSI. [00:36:22] Christina: [00:36:22] no, no gossip girl is not, [00:36:23] Brett: [00:36:23] Oh, [00:36:24] there are some characters show up on Chuck and I was like, okay. Yeah, you recognize her from the OSI and yeah, that makes sense. [00:36:31] Now. [00:36:32] Christina: [00:36:32] Yeah. Yeah. Um, [00:36:34] but, uh, [00:36:35] Brett: [00:36:35] Oh, but, but I, it took me a second to put together that Sarah Walker, like the lead female and the show is the, uh, ha ha Handmaid’s tale, a blonde woman that, yeah, it’s weird. It’s, it’s a weird juxtaposition. [00:36:52] Christina: [00:36:52] It is, isn’t it like when you see people in like those different things? Totally. Yeah. [00:36:57] Brett: [00:36:57] Yeah. [00:36:58] Anyway. [00:37:00] Um, yeah. So max stock is virtual again this year at, well, I guess they’re going to do part, they’re going to have like 60 people allowed to attend in person, but I’m probably not going to 60 people. If it were these 60 people that I really [00:37:19] wanted to see it maxed out. [00:37:21] Christina: [00:37:21] that you wanted to see, then you would go. [00:37:23] Brett: [00:37:23] Yeah, because to be fair, like there, there’s probably 30 to 40 people that really make max stock awesome for me, uh, that I would travel to see any time, uh, [00:37:36] Christina: [00:37:36] Should I go like, like reversible, [00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Well, I think it’s free. I think don’t hold me to this, but I’m pretty sure you can get a virtual pass and attend talks for free. And they had this Jitsi meet, uh, things set up and the whole 3d lounge with like 3d sound where you can walk around and like conversations get [00:38:00] louder, the closer you get to them. [00:38:01] And you can like pull people off in the corners and it’s really fun. Yeah, you should. So anyway, I’m I, he, he asked me if I wanted to speak and I wasn’t sure because it, I have a month to prep and I didn’t know what I would talk about. And he’s like, well, if you were open to it, you could talk about marked. [00:38:20] And my brain immediately said, I could talk about bunch and I could spend it’s they’re just 20 minute talks this time around, I can easily spend 20 minutes, 20 minutes obsessing about bunch. [00:38:35] Christina: [00:38:35] No, I think that’d be great. I mean, there were so many avenues you could talk about bunch about, like, you could talk about so many things about like just the app and the things you’re doing with it. You could also talk about like developing it on the M one and like the different ways that it works against different architectures and, and like there’s all kinds [00:38:49] of. [00:38:50] Brett: [00:38:50] Yeah. Yeah. Um, um, I’m gonna, I’m going to do a prerecorded 20 minute talk and then a Q and a, and it’s gonna be, um, I’m really looking forward to it. I [00:39:00] love talking about blanche. I’ve been on like three different podcasts, basically, just to talk about bunch, which I don’t make any money. But it’s such a labor of love for me. [00:39:09] I love bunch [00:39:11] Christina: [00:39:11] It’s bunshaft.com. Right? [00:39:13] Brett: [00:39:13] punch bunch app.co. [00:39:15] Christina: [00:39:15] Okay. [00:39:16] Brett: [00:39:16] I went for the.co to be trendy, uh, at all like super cool for like 2000. What would like 2015 maybe? [00:39:27] Christina: [00:39:27] Yeah. [00:39:28] Brett: [00:39:28] Yeah. [00:39:28] Christina: [00:39:28] See, now, now, now the new thing would be like bunshaft.dev or.io or something. [00:39:33] Brett: [00:39:33] Um, at work, we’re building out like I’m building out this Jekyll based, uh, uh, content platform for Oracle and, uh, It colloquially colloquially colloquially. [00:39:48] They, [00:39:49] Christina: [00:39:49] I don’t know how to say. [00:39:50] Brett: [00:39:50] they refer to developer.oracle as Devo. So when they registered a domain for this new [00:40:00] platform that they registered devo.build X. If you don’t know if you’re not in the loop, what it actually says is divo.build. [00:40:11] And so I sent around pictures of like Divo and like the whippet, uh, uh, cover with like the red hats and everything. And I not sure are, are very international team, all understood what I was pointing out. Uh, but apparently we’re, we’re rolling. We’re going to be divo.build. [00:40:37] Christina: [00:40:37] that’s not bad. I, uh, I own, uh, christina.dev, advocates.dev, I was supposed to give to Microsoft BI and I [00:40:47] never did. [00:40:49] Brett: [00:40:49] You should, You should, definitely charge for that. [00:40:52] Christina: [00:40:52] I mean, I will, if I, if I, if I need to, I also own failed.dev, um, which I haven’t done anything [00:40:58] with, but is great. [00:40:59] Brett: [00:40:59] Oh, [00:41:00] you should register developers, developers, developers that dev sell that to Microsoft. [00:41:07] Christina: [00:41:07] uh, they Don’t they don’t like to buy domains. Um, anymore, unfortunately, um, because somebody owned like of the, uh, of the Andes owned, like build conference.com and like to sell it to them. And they were like, we don’t buy them anymore. own, yeah. What do I, um, oh, I own shit. poster.dev girls can.dev failed.dev comp.dev. [00:41:34] Uh, [00:41:34] that’s just an idea [00:41:36] Brett: [00:41:36] Don’t don’t dev domains costs like 30 bucks a year. [00:41:40] Christina: [00:41:40] Something like that. [00:41:41] Brett: [00:41:41] That’s quite an investment [00:41:42] you’re making. [00:41:43] Christina: [00:41:43] I P I always forget about it. christina.dev is like a hundred bucks a year, [00:41:47] Brett: [00:41:47] Wow, [00:41:48] Christina: [00:41:48] but it’s christina.dev. [00:41:50] Brett: [00:41:50] sure. Sure. [00:41:51] Christina: [00:41:51] So, [00:41:51] I mean, I don’t want some other bitch to have it. So like, that’s always my thing, like, some other bitch has christina.cloud and that like makes me [00:42:00] so angry. [00:42:01] Um, Actually, no, I might have christina.cloud. Some other bits has christina.io. I have christina.cloud. Yeah. Good, good call. Um, this bitch, Christina. Um, [00:42:11] yeah, so [00:42:12] Brett: [00:42:12] Speaking of bitches having money. [00:42:15] Christina: [00:42:15] yes, [00:42:17] Brett: [00:42:17] Rihanna is now a billionaire. [00:42:19] Christina: [00:42:19] know. Fuck. Yeah, I love it [00:42:21] bitch. But I have my money. [00:42:22] Brett: [00:42:22] That is, that is very, like, I expect all pop stars. I expect all pop stars to be millionaires. Like that’s a given. [00:42:32] Christina: [00:42:32] 100% billionaire. This is what happens when like you have a very, very successful partnership with LVMH. Makeup is like in beauty. Beauty in general a fucking like massive industry. I mean, we learned that from the Kardashians, [00:42:49] like Kylie has [00:42:52] Brett: [00:42:52] learned nothing from the [00:42:53] Kardashians. [00:42:54] Christina: [00:42:54] Okay. Well, I learned much money there is in beauty. [00:42:58] When, when Kylie’s lip [00:43:00] kits made her a billionaire before she turned 20. And I was like, what? I mean? And then they debated that and they’re like, oh, maybe she’s not, but she doesn’t know. Now I think that, that she is. And, and at this point I remember who it was. Um, I think it was Estee Lauder. Somebody bought a huge proportion of Kylie beauty. [00:43:16] I don’t know. Anyway. They, they made money on that stuff, but yeah, Rihanna being a billionaire. I mean, I gotta say, I think that, um, I think it was either Jessica Bell or the new Gawker who had like the headline who was like the only person billionaire. [00:43:31] Brett: [00:43:31] Yeah. [00:43:31] Christina: [00:43:31] I was like, yeah, you know what? I agree. [00:43:37] Brett: [00:43:37] Yeah, it does. It, it doesn’t upset. [00:43:39] Christina: [00:43:39] Doesn’t upset me at All Also the stuff that she’s done, like with, with Fenty beauty and like both with her makeup and also with her laundry and stuff is really cool because it’s been inclusive, like from the beginning. And it targets that get big attention from these big brands and big things. [00:43:57] Like people who have dark skin color, like, like her, her [00:44:00] foundations is famous for having, like, they have like 36 different shades or some shit. And like actually. They probably don’t have one that’s light enough for me. which is completely fine because there are a million beauty companies out there who do have shades light enough for me. [00:44:13] So I don’t need that, but people who need darker shades have to like deal with like bad makeup jobs and like not having stuff that this, their skin tone don’t have those options. Fenty beauty does. And the same thing with like, with her lingerie, like, it goes way up in the plus sizes, which lingerie brands like stop at a certain size, both for like breast size and for, you know, like, like Kip size you know, that puts a whole bunch of people again, something that I had an issue with, but like, it’s not, you know, it’s not about me. [00:44:47] Like, I, I can recognize like, I’m, I’m in a very privileged position in that. Um, though like, It’s hard for me to find things that fit the way I want some times, because if you’re too big or too small, it always sucks. [00:45:00] Usually how it works is that they will make accommodations for the person who’s too small, they won’t for anybody who’s even slightly larger. [00:45:08] So like, I’m happy for Rihanna, man. Like, You go like seeing her on the Forbes list and the, the, the, um, the way that Forbes does, their, their list is interesting. Like the way that they try to confirm it, like they want a bunch of data. Like, I think this was why Kylie was like kicked off billionaire list or something because they didn’t have the receipts. [00:45:29] And, and it’s, it’s like, who knows how accurate it is. They actually want like a lot of stuff. Like they, they, they seem to put more into like their evaluation of, are you a billionaire or not then like the IRS does, because like Donald Trump, Donald Trump, like famously got like very upset. If they like didn’t give him the proper net worth amount. [00:45:48] like [00:45:49] Brett: [00:45:49] All right. [00:45:50] Christina: [00:45:50] many, many correspondence with them about like sure he was [00:45:53] included, but [00:45:55] Brett: [00:45:55] Yeah. That makes sense. Um, [00:45:57] is, [00:45:57] Christina: [00:45:57] billion. [00:45:59] Brett: [00:45:59] is, [00:46:00] is Taylor a billionaire? [00:46:01] Christina: [00:46:01] She’s not, [00:46:03] Brett: [00:46:03] That’s amazing. [00:46:04] Christina: [00:46:04] Yeah, well, but see, she doesn’t do, um, the, the, the merchant this way, [00:46:10] Brett: [00:46:10] Yeah, [00:46:11] Christina: [00:46:11] she doesn’t have the [00:46:11] beauty brand. [00:46:12] Brett: [00:46:12] she’s not hustling. She doesn’t have side [00:46:14] hustles. [00:46:15] Christina: [00:46:15] right. Not, not in the way that she could make that kind of big money. Right. Like if she, like, if Taylor were to want to do a beauty brand, She could be a billionaire, no problem. [00:46:24] And she wouldn’t even have to do anything, but license her name and she would be a billionaire, but, um, but she doesn’t, um, she bought actually, it’s an interesting thing to think about if she’d bought big machine records. I don’t know if she had the cash for it or not. don’t know if that asset would have given her like the valued it closer or not. [00:46:46] That’s an interesting [00:46:47] question. [00:46:48] Brett: [00:46:48] Speaking of Taylor and, and work with me on this track with me on this. How did you feel about the end of Loki? [00:46:56] Christina: [00:46:56] Oh, um, [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] You see how I [00:46:58] got there? [00:46:59] Christina: [00:46:59] yeah. [00:47:00] Yeah, I totally, I liked it. Uh, I thought that it was one of the, Okay. [00:47:06] Here’s how I thought about it. It was the weakest episode of the series, I think has been the same. It was the same way I felt about, um, uh, One division and, um, about a winter soldier, which I didn’t like, but I loved one division and that, like, they haven’t quite nailed the finales that they haven’t quite figured out how to do that stuff. [00:47:27] But, um, although I liked the finale better than one divisions, but I really did like how they like open it up for what the next season is going to be. And like that kind of cliffhanger, like I thought that was [00:47:37] really. [00:47:38] Brett: [00:47:38] Yeah. I’m, I’m not a big fan of multiple, the multi-verse multiple timelines. Like it’s too. The plackets too. Uh, they tend to do a good job with it. Uh, I, I’m not overly frightened that it’s going to go haywire, but you know, what I’m mourning is the loss of [00:48:00] shows like Jessica Jones and the Punisher and Daredevil like those were. [00:48:04] So I love those shows and we’re never going to see that stuff again. [00:48:09] Christina: [00:48:09] No, we’re not, no, we’re not. It’s it’s, it’s so funny you say that. Cause I do, um, do bit Twitter spaces on Saturdays with, um, some other nerds talking about Marvel stuff. At least when the Marvel stuff is like airing and I’ve made that exact same point [00:48:23] Brett: [00:48:23] Yeah. [00:48:23] Christina: [00:48:23] made because Disney will never allow it. [00:48:26] Like, I was actually shocked that they let, um, Juan division get as dark as they did. [00:48:30] Brett: [00:48:30] Yeah. [00:48:31] Christina: [00:48:31] Um, [00:48:32] Brett: [00:48:32] And still nowhere [00:48:33] near like Jessica Jones. [00:48:35] Christina: [00:48:35] not even remotely close, like [00:48:36] Brett: [00:48:36] Luke cage. Yeah. [00:48:38] Christina: [00:48:38] Like, like Jessica Jones is like sexual assault. Like it [00:48:41] Brett: [00:48:41] Yeah. [00:48:42] Christina: [00:48:42] you know, like it is trauma, right? [00:48:44] Brett: [00:48:44] Well, and Punisher Yeah. [00:48:46] Christina: [00:48:46] Yeah. But like, like, like, like the, like the 10th doctor or like, like the best doctor, you know, like, and doctor who like is a freaking monster and Jessica Jones, like there’s a lot there. [00:48:55] Like, it’s, it’s a, it’s a lot. Um, um, [00:49:00] one division like that. Very Well, and probably like, as hardcore as we could expect to see on a Disney thing and low-key as well, there was some stuff where they, like, it was more adult than I expected, I have felt the exact same way. I was like, yeah, it sucks that we will never again get like an R-rated interpretation of any of the Marvel stuff, which sucks because Jessica Jones and Punisher. [00:49:23] and stuff were like, we’re really good. [00:49:25] Brett: [00:49:25] Yeah. Everything except for iron fist. [00:49:27] Christina: [00:49:27] Oh, iron fist. [00:49:28] was, yeah, that was trash. [00:49:31] Brett: [00:49:31] Okay. I feel like we’ve come to the end of the episode. [00:49:35] Christina: [00:49:35] I think so. I think so [00:49:36] Brett: [00:49:36] It was a, it was a good a checkered. We didn’t get too deep into like drugs or what did we do last week? Last week? Got weird. [00:49:46] Christina: [00:49:46] no last week was like, was like a therapy session for you freaking out about your [00:49:49] job? [00:49:51] Brett: [00:49:51] Which, Which, I, like, as soon as we posted it, I was like, oh no, I’m going to get fired now [00:49:56] Christina: [00:49:56] Nope. [00:49:57] Brett: [00:49:57] I didn’t get fired. [00:49:58] Christina: [00:49:58] You didn’t get fired. [00:49:59] Brett: [00:49:59] I [00:50:00] didn’t get reported to the higher ups. I know there are people at Oracle that listened to this podcast to low or a goal people. I love you guys. Um, but no one, no one turned me in. So. [00:50:11] Christina: [00:50:11] No, and you didn’t say anything wrong. And if anything, like I was the one who would have been like. Put on a list of like, do not recruit this person because she’s telling him not to worry about working because, you know, of how slow stuff works. But I was just like, look, I, I, I know how this works. I know you’re freaking out. [00:50:28] You’re going to be fine. You’re going to get it working. Um, and, and I’m glad that you got the demos working and, um, and the lab working. So this is good stuff and it, it, uh, debuts next [00:50:39] week. [00:50:40] Brett: [00:50:40] Um, the lab will run on August 11th and I will be taking August 16th and 17th off from the day job as, uh, as a reward. No, but I also have other shit I have to do so [00:50:55] Christina: [00:50:55] Nice. Well, that’s actually great. That means like you don’t like [00:51:00] you like get to see it launch and then you’re like, ah, I get to peace out a week [00:51:03] later. [00:51:04] Brett: [00:51:04] Yeah. Yeah. Um, and depending on how things go, um, I might stick you with, uh, with a really fun, uh, substitute cohost we’ll we’ll [00:51:13] see, [00:51:13] Christina: [00:51:13] me this. You’re just sending this to me. Surprise. This works out. I’m excited about it. I have no idea who it is, but I’m [00:51:18] excited. [00:51:18] Brett: [00:51:18] you will get to talk about the bachelor [00:51:21] Christina: [00:51:21] Oh. [00:51:23] Brett: [00:51:23] in a way that you could never talk to me about the bachelor. [00:51:27] Christina: [00:51:27] Which is to say, I can talk about the bath. [00:51:30] Brett: [00:51:30] Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. All [00:51:33] right. [00:51:34] Christina: [00:51:34] There’s there’s, a new one. Uh, I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m, I’m dying to it’s on HBO max called like fuckboy island, which, which looks great. [00:51:44] Brett: [00:51:44] Okay. [00:51:45] Christina: [00:51:45] of the, of, of the bachelor. And so I’m [00:51:46] like very excited about it. [00:51:49] Brett: [00:51:49] All right. I will, uh, I will, I will hook you up with, uh, with another play date. [00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] Fantastic. [00:51:55] Brett: [00:51:55] All right. Well, Christina, I you’ve been up since midnight. You really [00:52:00] should get some sleep. [00:52:01] Christina: [00:52:01] All right. Get some sleep, Brett, have a great day. Have a great weekend. [00:52:04] Brett: [00:52:04] You too.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 247 Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]I think I’ll do the intro this week. [00:00:06]Christina: [00:00:06] I like that idea. [00:00:07]Brett: [00:00:07] You are listening to Overtired I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you [00:00:14]Christina: [00:00:14] I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It is early for me. It’s like six 30 in the morning. However, I’ve been awake since, I don’t know, like it’s either two or 3:00 AM, so, um, well, not really. So I kind of like took a nap late that sort of went to like going to bed really early and then my body woke up and then I was like, well, I know I have to be up to do the podcast. [00:00:42] And I have a bunch of other stuff I need to do today. So am I going to be able to get any sleep or not? I wasn’t really sure. And then I wanted like taking my meds at like 5:00 AM. So kind of on purpose? [00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] Yeah. Okay. I I’ve done that. I’ve done that many times. [00:00:57]Christina: [00:00:57] Yeah, I’m actually way more, [00:01:00] I’m not a morning person. Um, however, like I like, you know, the, the evenings much more I’m, I’m a night owl. I’d like to stay up late, whatever. However, if I can actually wake up early and get started, I’m so much more productive for the entire day. So it’s one of these weird things where I’m not a morning person, but I really need to try to force myself into being. [00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] I love mornings so much because nobody else is up. I nobody interrupts me. I don’t have to worry about anyone pinging me on slack or giving me a phone call. I just get up. And I just, I usually code in the morning, but I get up at five 30 and my Workday doesn’t usually like start in earnest until 10:00 AM my time because most of the team is in California. [00:01:46] So that’s 8:00 AM their time. Or they’re overseas and they’re like on a completely, like 12 hour off schedule. So I get this nice space from like 5:30 AM till like [00:02:00] nine where it’s just like, just my time to code. I love mornings. And I get up at five 30 and like sometimes, like I set an alarm for five 30, just cause I like consistency, but I, wake up every morning uh, for the last month or so I wake up at 5:26 AM. [00:02:22] Just automatically and I’m just ready to go. And then I shut off my alarm. I like it when my system agrees with my schedule. [00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] Yeah. Um, I I’m the person who, unless I’m already up or whatever, I have like four alarms set usually. And then I’ll also hits news. Number of times, it’s one of those things where like, I ha I have a built-in buffer for what time I know I have to actually be up like, so I have like an early time. I’m like, Okay. [00:02:50] well, this is what time I would like to be up, but I know I’m going to hit snooze at least this many times. [00:02:57] And I know that I’m going to in [00:03:00] my own mind, like reset alarms and do other stuff. So let me go ahead and preset alarms for like, I have a bunch of them and then it’d be like, okay, what’s the absolute latest that I can be up. Like, for instance, I had one set. I didn’t need it, but I had one set for six 20 and one set for 5 45. [00:03:17] I had one set for six o’clock. I had one set for six 20, knowing knowing that six 20 was like, okay, that was the absolute latest. You can get up to do this at six 30 [00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] Why, why wouldn’t you just set the alarm for the latest. [00:03:31] Christina: [00:03:31] because I, I have this great thought in My, mind. Well, maybe I will actually get up early and be more productive and get something done. Like it’s, it’s aspirational. It’s not realistic. It’s aspirational. And I should be self-aware enough to be like, you’re not going to do this. However, occasionally I surprise myself. [00:03:50] And then sometimes there are times when, like I’m just up at three o’clock in the morning, so I don’t need it anyway. So it’s just. [00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] My, my advice that you didn’t ask [00:04:00] for is to just set the alarm for when you have to get up. And if you wake up earlier, great, go with what your body says, but don’t like, I feel like that’s counterproductive to like interrupt your sleep five times [00:04:12] Christina: [00:04:12] it it is part of the reason though that I have to have like a couple of the stages is because I know I will hit snooze at least once. And so I can’t do it for like, this is the time you have to actually get up. [00:04:27] because I have to build in a buffer now, do I need All of the buffers that I built in? [00:04:30] Probably not, but I need like at least two, because if I hit snooze and I really needed to be up at 6:20 and you know, like 6:29, like is going to be too late or whatever, because 10 minutes can make a difference. Like I’m going to have to push back, push it back to an earlier time so I can hit snooze at least once and like find a way to, to put it off. [00:04:52]Brett: [00:04:52] All right. So talk about Christina’s sleep schedule, check. [00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] Yep. [00:04:57] Brett: [00:04:57] Um, how’s your, how’s your mental health? [00:04:59][00:05:00] Christina: [00:04:59] It’s not too bad. It’s not too bad. I mean, it’s not like awesome, but it’s not terrible. Um, how’s yours. [00:05:07] Brett: [00:05:07] Oh, actually like for once I have nothing to report things have been normal, productive, happy work has been very frustrating. Um, I, do you want to hear it? [00:05:22] Christina: [00:05:22] Yeah. I was going to say, let’s just look at, that feels like mental health corner. Let’s talk. [00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] Yeah. Actually, if anything is mental health for me, it’s work. Um, so w Oracle teamed up with red bull racing and, uh, or like sponsored them. And we’re doing these, I think I’ve talked about this, but we’re doing this like a hands-on lab where people can, uh, the beginner one is you collect F1 race data, and use machine learning to predict the winners of. [00:05:53] Races and like taking into account all of the like tires [00:06:00] and, uh, pit times, and who’s driving all of this. Um, and the lab itself, my only job with this whole project is to write the README that will go on, GitHub that will get people set up and walk them through the lab, which was a daunting task to begin with because I know nothing about machine learning, the whole thing’s done in Jupiter notebooks. [00:06:27] I’m not a Python guy. I’ve never used Jupiter notebooks. Like I had to learn all of this in order to write, or, you know, I had to learn a little… enough to write a reasonable, like how to, um, and that would have been fine. I’ve had this project for like two months now, except the lab wasn’t. Uh, finished until this week. [00:06:53] And even then it wasn’t finished. So I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to [00:07:00] get through like the prerequisites set up, uh, like setting up cloud machines, setting up deployment, building the data science notebooks and everything. One problem after another huge frustration finally got it up and running, uh, walked through the notebooks, ran into problems every step of that way. [00:07:20] Uh, and then ultimately got to the end of the tutorial that had been written like a PowerPoint deck full of slides basically… full of screenshots basically. So I got all the way through it found out it doesn’t resolve. Like you get everything set up and, and you like prep all the data and then nothing like the lab as it’s written, doesn’t do anything. [00:07:45] So I can’t write about it. Then yesterday they decided, oh wait, we can create a custom image that people can just load and run this. So that three weeks of me trying to [00:08:00] deploy the thing completely out the door, I don’t need to write about any of that. The stuff I do need to write about isn’t finished yet. [00:08:07] And the lab is like the original due date on this was Tuesday. And now it’s Thursday, Friday. No. And here’s those but irrelevant. Um, and I have nothing to write. Like I can’t do my job. They’ve already started, uh, posting this on like social media, writing blogs about it and uh, like pimping it. And it’s not there. [00:08:32] Like the lab will not be ready. Um, I’m a little freaked out. It’s very stressed. [00:08:38]Christina: [00:08:38] Okay. So I understand that you’re freaked out. I understand that they’ve already said that it’s coming the, did they like give in the blogs? Did they give like a hard date? Like it’s coming this day? [00:08:49] Brett: [00:08:49] Yeah. They’ve already started taking registrations for it. [00:08:52] Christina: [00:08:52] Okay. All right. So, and, and, but it was supposed to have happen on Tuesday. [00:08:57] Brett: [00:08:57] the actual event doesn’t happen [00:09:00] until August 11th, [00:09:01] Christina: [00:09:01] Oh, [00:09:02] Brett: [00:09:02] but they wanted the, the tutorial written Tuesday so that the panelists could start going through it. And we would have time to do further debugging and refining. So it’s not drop dead due yet. [00:09:18] Christina: [00:09:18] No, no, no. Okay. So, so the 11th, that’s fine. So it would have been good if you’d had on Tuesday, but, um, Sam forgetting that, like you haven’t worked in corporate America for a long time, so, so you don’t understand how fungible a lot of this stuff is because basically you have two weeks. [00:09:33] So if you have this by like, I don’t know, honestly, if you have this by the fourth, if you haven’t even by, by like the sixth, you’re fine. Um, because. Yeah. Okay. You’d be better probably if you had it, like by like Thursday, so you could, if you needed to make changes, you can make them like Friday, but the 11th is a Wednesday, so Yeah. you’re fine. [00:09:56] Brett: [00:09:56] Yeah. Yeah. I keep telling myself that I [00:10:00] also keep telling myself this isn’t my fault. I haven’t necessarily failed. Like I’ve done everything I could. [00:10:07] Christina: [00:10:07] No, you, you got everything you could. [00:10:08] they also, they, they changed like the way that they could do the image and the other stuff. And honestly, you probably ran into some stuff That other people would be running into as well. Right. [00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] That was my concern. The whole time is if me with my, my background, like I’m, I’m not a newbie developer. Some of these concepts are new. [00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] you’ve set up your fair share of environments, right? Like, Yeah. [00:10:31] Like this is not something that’s new to for you. And, and, um, I mean, honestly, I don’t know what they’re doing. Are they getting to people like a Docker image that they can just kind of, um, [00:10:41] Brett: [00:10:41] so like they have, they call it a stack. Uh, it’s a, it’s a zip file that includes like Terraform scripts that sets up a compartment for you in your, in your cloud, that tenancy, um, and, and sets up the data [00:11:00] science, uh, instance and, uh, bill like gives you a blank Jupiter notebook that then you can log into and, and clone the, the notebook repo. [00:11:12] So it’s not it the way that I did it, it was not a full image. It was basically a Terraform script, [00:11:20] Christina: [00:11:20] Got it. Okay. Well, I mean, but [00:11:22] Brett: [00:11:22] but it will [00:11:22] Christina: [00:11:22] into this, but it will be. [00:11:24] right. Which, which is good. Yeah. I mean, it seems to me and I don’t, I don’t know like how they’re, how they’re doing this. It seems to me like, and, and there’s probably a good reason why you can’t just have a Docker deploy thing because, um, and maybe the Terraform script is, you know, setting up a Docker instance. [00:11:39] I don’t know. And maybe there’s something with the cloud set up that doesn’t allow that I’m not sure I’m not going to, uh, uh, try to do the, I I’m stopping myself from going down a rabbit hole with you there. They’re going to figure out the problem. Um, the only thing I’m going say is like, yeah, you ran into this other people are definitely gonna run into this. [00:11:55] So that’s number one and they had to figure it out because you were going through this [00:12:00] problems. Yeah. They’re going to get it figured out as long as you have it up and that people can ideally, the panelists can test it before the 11th. That’s great. Um, you know, and even then, if there are issues, I mean, you get feedback, you can make changes. [00:12:15] It’s uh, that’s [00:12:18] Brett: [00:12:18] worry. I just worry that we’re asking, like, this is a beginner lab. We’re asking most of the people taking pertinent, we’ll be setting up their first, uh, Oracle cloud infrastructure, uh, account like the free account. This is their first, right? This is their first impression of Oracle’s cloud services. [00:12:41] Christina: [00:12:41] So, so, Okay. [00:12:43] I’m going to frame this for you in a really like, clear way. This is all really good feedback for a post. I I’m not, I’m not even joking like a, that is not your decision or your problem. Like you were tasked with doing a certain thing and, and, and getting it to work a certain way. This is all really good feedback for a post-mortem [00:13:00] for people to look at, because you’re going to figure that out. [00:13:02] Um, realistically it is too late to be able to make any sort of grand scale decision about like what the best way to distribute this would be. And if this was the right model, and if you need something else, but this is also how you learn and how you get feedback. So this is all really good stuff for a post-mortem you’ll figure it out. [00:13:18] You’ll get good insights. The fact that you were running into these things beforehand, cause you were trying, it’s not like sometimes, and I’m not going to say that I’ve ever done this or anything, but you know where like you have a certain amount of time for a project and you don’t really start it until. [00:13:33]Fairly late in the process. And then you run into like blockers and then you’re kind of like, all right, well, this is my fault, but I’m going to try to, you know, BS my way out of it. Like you were giving them feedback, as you were going through this, you were figuring out like what the issues were and you were like, letting people know. [00:13:49] So a none of this is on you. Um, it’s gonna, what’s going to get done is going to get done, but, but be, and I think this is more important even if the result is, as you say, this is [00:14:00] gonna be people’s first impression and it’s not a good one and it’s complicated and you, and they don’t know what to do. [00:14:04] That’s all really good feedback. And sometimes you have to have that feedback from the actual end-users because coming from the people on the team, people don’t listen to that. Like sometimes you have to actually, uh, and I, and I, I putting it this way because I think this is going to happen. But just as a way of framing it, because I say this to people I work with too, sometimes you have to let stuff fail. [00:14:26] Like sometimes you have to let it happen for things to be able to be improved. [00:14:30]Brett: [00:14:30] Okay. I appreciate your feedback. I’m sorry. This conversation got really boring for everyone. [00:14:35] Christina: [00:14:35] No, no, but honestly, I actually think that last bit that I shared, cause I’ve had to come to terms with this before, too, where sometimes you can only do what you can do and sometimes you have to let stuff, if it is going to maybe not work out or not, whatever, like you have to let that happen. [00:14:52] Brett: [00:14:52] See, I I’m used to, like for like 10 years, I’ve been independent where everything is [00:15:00] like entirely responsibility and both good and bad. And I can take like, if something goes wrong, I know who to blame. It’s me. Like everything was under my control. So this is a certain feeling of helplessness. [00:15:14] Christina: [00:15:14] right. Because you’re not in control, you’re not in control. And sometimes, and, and I think this is like maybe the more broad thing, like not just like your specific situation, but there are instances that we all run into where, um, you have, um, like. Sorry, what was I going to say? Where, you know, you need resources, you need help. [00:15:34] You need people to like, convince them like, Hey, this is what I need to actually get this done. And you’re not going to get it unless they actually see that you need it. Cause if you keep pulling miracles out of your ass and making it work, they will never get you what you want ever. [00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] setting, setting bad precedent. Do you have to use JIRA? [00:15:49]Christina: [00:15:49] I don’t. We use something else. Uh, which is, I mean, it’s both better and worse. Um, it’s better. Cause it’s not JIRA, but it’s worse because it’s [00:16:00] still a pain in the ass. But no, we don’t use JIRA. [00:16:02] Brett: [00:16:02] I think I’m realizing that my problem isn’t necessarily with JIRA, I think any kind of a ticket based project management system that requires me to like post my status for everyone else. I’m just really bad. Like I worked for agile, uh, w what was agile bits, a [00:16:22] Christina: [00:16:22] Right? one password, [00:16:23] Brett: [00:16:23] and part of the job, everyone on the team, no matter what your position was, was doing customer support and logging into the forums every day and taking as many support requests as you could, like first thing in the morning, and I’m just really bad. [00:16:40]That like logging in and handling other people’s problems. Like I, I do great with my customer support for my own software. People always tell me, I love your support. You’re very responsive. You do a great job. There’s something about like, I have to be truly invested to, to want [00:17:00] to like, to spend my time updating a ticket system instead of just doing the work. [00:17:08] Like it never sits well with me. And I, I, I don’t think JIRA is the problem. I think it’s my attitude toward like [00:17:17] Christina: [00:17:17] No. [00:17:18] Brett: [00:17:18] to do a group, [00:17:20] Christina: [00:17:20] No 100%. Um, yeah, cause I’ve used what I’ve used. Uh, um, what’s not at last year, I’ve used a sauna. [00:17:29] Uh, I’ve used Trello. Uh, I’ve used, um, uh, Azure DevOps. I’ve used, uh, what do we call it as a planner? Which, which is, Microsoft’s like like version of Trello essentially, uh, get hub has some sort of thing that’s kind of similar. [00:17:47] Um, [00:17:47] Brett: [00:17:47] hubs. [00:17:48] Christina: [00:17:48] yeah, I do too. I actually would probably rather, um, use, um, [00:17:54]Brett: [00:17:54] Get hub projects. [00:17:56] Christina: [00:17:56] yeah, exactly. I would probably actually rather use that than an agile dev DevOps, but we use Azure [00:18:00] DevOps boards for a lot of stuff. I would probably rather use projects, but it, it, it is what it is. And I kind of run into the same thing where there are things where like, I have my own lists of my own stuff that I’m doing. [00:18:10] And then I forget to like update the other. I got good. When I was at Mossville anchors, Moda, we used Trello. And ironically I’m saying ironic because I I’m bad at this stuff now. Like I was the one who fought for, at Mashable anyway, for us to use Trello because we didn’t have any sort of, and that was what the newsroom used. [00:18:28] First. We actually tried to use a sauna because that was what the product team used. And, um, it was just, I couldn’t convince like journalists people to get into that mind flow. [00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Trella makes a lot more sense for, for a newsroom, especially. [00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] No, it was great. Cause you could drag it around and then each card could have links. And so we would have different like, you know, things like this has been assigned, this is being worked on, this can be grabbed. This is being, this is in edit. This is, you know, scheduled to publish. This has been published, you know, we had different boards and stuff. [00:18:59] And so [00:19:00] we got pretty good with that, but yeah, there were times when, cause I had like my personal board that was often a mess and it was like, Yeah. [00:19:05] cause I had my own list someplace that I didn’t update. So I feel you, and there are things that work now where I’m like, oh right. I need to update my status on this Azure dev ops board. [00:19:14] Um, and I’m just like, yep. Um, I haven’t been great at that, which is why I’m not an ideal PM I guess. [00:19:23] Brett: [00:19:23] Totally meet you there. If you’re ever looking for a really, really good Trello alternative, uh, Mr. Task from the people who make mine, Meiser is a really well thought out. Uh, Kanban, Kanban, Kanban. [00:19:39] Christina: [00:19:39] Yeah. However you. [00:19:40] Brett: [00:19:40] Uh, board at with like full dashboard, you can have multiple projects and a good API. It’s it’s really nice. [00:19:49] I’ve only used it on small teams. I’ve never used it on like a team of 10 or more. So I, I, I don’t know how it holds up. I assume it does. [00:19:58] Christina: [00:19:58] it’s good. Yeah. Um, [00:20:00] [00:19:59] Brett: [00:19:59] I love that you can turn a MindMeister mind mask into a Meiser task task board with one click. [00:20:07]Christina: [00:20:07] yeah, no, that’s nice. No, see That’s super good. yeah. I, um, I love Air table. We used to use air table and then we had to stop and then we had to stop using it. But I love air table. [00:20:17] Brett: [00:20:17] table’s awesome. [00:20:18] Christina: [00:20:18] Air table is really good. [00:20:20] Brett: [00:20:20] Yeah. So you want to completely change the subject? [00:20:23] Christina: [00:20:23] 100%. [00:20:24] Brett: [00:20:24] It was my birthday last week. [00:20:26] Christina: [00:20:26] I know it was [00:20:27] Brett: [00:20:27] but. [00:20:28] Christina: [00:20:28] happy birthday. [00:20:29] Brett: [00:20:29] Thank you for my birthday. I thought, you know what it’s been, uh, how, how old am I? 40? It’s been over 20 years since I’ve tried smoking pot. And so I, I got some pot, some weed, some grass as the kids say in 1965. [00:20:51] Um, [00:20:51] Christina: [00:20:51] what kids, kids today are like a CBD, you know, they’re like edibles. They’re like, yeah. [00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Yeah. So friends brought both [00:21:00] a vape pen and some actual, like a one hitter. And I chose to go with the, I missed the feeling of smoke in my lungs. So I went with the good old fashioned spark I, okay. So back in high school, I tried pot a few times and I had these really bad experiences with like instant vertigo. [00:21:21] And like, I would just end up on a couch, unable to think feeling crappy. And I, I [00:21:29] Christina: [00:21:29] And you’re like, and you’re, you’re like, I hate this. I’m going straight to heroin. [00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] pretty much. Well, I went through like speed and Coke and then decided to go for like downers. But, um, I was really hoping like I’ve I’ve for the last 20 years, I’ve listened to people talk about just like relaxing and opening your mind and just like the fun of being stoned. And I thought maybe it’ll be different now. [00:21:52] So I had my birthday party a week late because of my oral surgery. Um, and, and so it [00:22:00] was just this week or like this last weekend I tried, it had the exact same experience as high school. It was. Awful. Like, I [00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] Oh, no. [00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] it. Like my, my, I couldn’t, I couldn’t think I couldn’t follow a conversation for more than five seconds. [00:22:16] And I was constantly trying to like piece together what had just happened in the last 30 seconds to an extent where like, I wasn’t freaked out. I didn’t get anxious, but it was very frustrating. And I ended up just sitting on the couch and petting my, my dog because it was the only, I didn’t have to follow my dog’s conversation. [00:22:37] I had to leave the party because it was so it was awful. So are, I am not becoming a pot smoker as much as the idea of it appeals to me, it apparently won’t work for me. [00:22:50]Christina: [00:22:50] I’m so disappointed to hear That So I used to, so in college, I guess, which was really the first time I ever actively tried smoking pot, I think I [00:23:00] tried a few times in high school and like wasn’t quite successful. Um, I was also more into like, Drinking then, um, I got anxious. Like I didn’t like it. And so I didn’t smoke very much for very often. [00:23:13] Um, and then Cocaine never did anything for me, sadly, because I know I blamed, I blamed the Dexedrine. I know that’s what I’ve heard. And I’ve, I’ve tried a number of times and it does literally has no impact, which is shitty because I would love it, I think. Um, [00:23:31] Brett: [00:23:31] think the DEXA drain, like I haven’t done, I stopped doing cocaine long before I ever got treated for ADHD. I wonder [00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] I think it was the DEXA [00:23:38] Brett: [00:23:38] interacts differently with stimulants other stimulants. [00:23:41] Christina: [00:23:41] Yeah. I think that had to be what it was. Um, there were a couple of times when I took NoDoz in high school and one’s in college and it like fused with my DEXA drain. And I think that the reaction was probably either what full on speed would have been like or cocaine. [00:23:57] Um, and it was great. It was [00:24:00] terrifying, uh, especially the first time. Fucking terrifying, but it was also kind of great, but no. Um, so, so anyway though, um, smoking weed doesn’t do much for me, however edible I really enjoy. [00:24:13] Brett: [00:24:13] Huh? Yeah. The reaction I had feels like a, an allergy. I don’t think any form of, of THC is going to agree with my system. And it was a bad enough experience that I’m not [00:24:27] Christina: [00:24:27] no. And I, yeah, I, I didn’t recommend that. I’m just saying I edibles have been the thing that I enjoy and then like, you can have different concentrations, like some that are more CBD. Some they’re more THC, some that are more like this or that. I don’t know all the different things. Um, and [00:24:42] Brett: [00:24:42] this reaction I had, by the way, I took two hits. Like it, it like, I, it was nothing. I took two, like leisurely hits off a one hitter. [00:24:54] Christina: [00:24:54] no. So that seems like that is definitely going to be like an allergy of some sort, if it was that quick. [00:25:00] [00:24:59] Brett: [00:24:59] Fucking stupid system. I, I hate my system. I’m allergic to all drugs. Like, uh, that’s like, that’s how they describe, uh, addictive personalities. Like I have very strong reactions to any, any mind altering mood altering drug, uh, affects me more strongly than other people. Uh, and I have to assume that like this THC reaction is just like what everyone else gets from weed, but just to an extreme, like, to an unbearable, extreme heroin and cocaine, like, like since like, since I’ve been treated for ADHD, I have not done any drugs. [00:25:41] I, I drank for a while. Uh, you know, like alcohol and stimulants, whatever. But, uh, back then, like heroin and cocaine was an amazing mixture. I love that. So that’s actually, how I got into heroin was I was looking for a way to enhance my [00:26:00] cocaine addiction. And then, and then heroin became my main squeeze for awhile for a few years. [00:26:07] Christina: [00:26:07] uh, that’s kind of horrifying. Don’t don’t do that kids. [00:26:11] Brett: [00:26:11] Oh yeah. No, I don’t recommend it to anyone. It’s a great way to die. If you’re looking to die, mix up, mix up a speed ball. [00:26:18] Christina: [00:26:18] Yeah. I was going to say it isn’t a thing now that kills people. Like don’t like it doesn’t shit. Get laced with fentanyl. [00:26:24] Brett: [00:26:24] God. Yeah. You can’t buy pure heroin anymore. Like, everything is cut with some amount of fentanyl. [00:26:31] Christina: [00:26:31] Yeah. And then that’s basically what, like, like that’s how Demi Lovato, like that’s how they almost died. [00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] When I was, I was in, uh, Toronto for, uh, I don’t even remember why, but it was during my heroin addiction and all that. These reports started coming in in Toronto of just mass overdoses. Like people were dying left and right. And it was the first time that I had [00:27:00] seen fentanyl hit the streets. This would have been like 2000, maybe [00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] Yeah. [00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] 2001. [00:27:07] And like, it had it, I had just never seen this happen before. And all of a sudden this what, at the time they were just calling it like too pure. They didn’t realize that it was being cut with something that was 10 times stronger than heroin. Um, yeah, that got that. That was right before I got completely clean, but it’s a different game now for sure. [00:27:31] Christina: [00:27:31] yeah. [00:27:31] no. And I think the problem is, I mean, this is how, like a number of people have like wound up dying because they don’t know. And, and then it, you know, like they don’t know what the concentration is or other stuff. And then like, I think, I think it’s happening with people’s like ecstasy pills and stuff too, which can be really scary. [00:27:47] So. [00:27:47] Brett: [00:27:47] if you’re used to, if you’re used to banging a 20, like, you know how much you can do and you know how much you can safely do and, and what will get you to where you want to be, [00:28:00] you assume that’s going to keep going. And when all of a sudden the same amount is fatal, that’s just not fair. Like if you’re going to cut it with something that’s strong, like cut it with some baby powder to give people a chance. [00:28:15]Christina: [00:28:15] Yeah. Yeah. [00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] I think I’ve, I think I’ve done. I think I’ve done a fair amount of baby powder in my life. That’s got to be bad for you. Isn’t talcum powder full of like, as best this or [00:28:27] Christina: [00:28:27] Yeah. I was going to say, I’m pretty sure that like, there are, that it’s like very bad to, to inhale baby power powder. Yeah. [00:28:35] Brett: [00:28:35] Oh, I I’m talking about injecting, [00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Well, [00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] which I assume isn’t a lot better. [00:28:41] Christina: [00:28:41] I mean, I, it’s probably worse. It’s probably equally bad. I don’t know. It’s not good regardless, right? Yeah. I think there’s like led or like asbestos or something in that. [00:28:49] Yeah. It’s like toxic on some level. You’re definitely not supposed to, to ingest it somehow anyway. [00:28:55] Brett: [00:28:55] So we’ve hit JIRA and we’ve hit heroine. Uh, neither of which were on our [00:29:00] list. How are we doing? Does this episode feel like it’s really coming together? [00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] it honestly does feel like it’s really coming together. I really liked the, the, the drug, um, um, like, uh, [00:29:10] Brett: [00:29:10] Tangent, [00:29:11] Christina: [00:29:11] yes, I was, I was looking, I was thinking of a different word than sort of the D but, uh, uh, tangent, uh, digression. I’m not even sure, but, but a tangent is equally good. So yes, I enjoy the drug tangent. [00:29:24] That was actually pretty classic overtired stuff. Sponsor: Upstart [00:29:27] [00:29:27]Brett: [00:29:27] Our first sponsor today is Upstart. If you dread looking at your credit card statements, you’re not alone. Debt can feel crippling, but upstart can help you on your path to financial freedom. Upstart is the fast and easy way to pay off your debt with a personal loan, all online, whether it’s paying off credit cards, consolidating high interest debt, or funding, personal expenses. [00:29:49] Over half a million people have used Upstart to get a simple fixed monthly payment. 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And I also paid to basically like, get like to the front of the line so that I could, um, you know, like get access to it earlier. [00:31:49] But it basically, it is a, like, it’s in a lot of ways. It is basically just like a, like, but for the next generation, [00:31:58] Brett: [00:31:58] Wow. I haven’t used [00:32:00] you say ADM. I say Adam, is that it? Can I say Adam? [00:32:03] Christina: [00:32:03] you can say, Adam, I say ADM, but you can say Adam, um, any of those things, it’s basically kind of like, I think it’s, it’s built on matrix, but the whole idea would be that it has all of your different chat services in one interface. So instead of having to have a jillion different apps, you can have them all federated. [00:32:18] So you could have slack, you could have WhatsApp, you could have, you know, iMessage, you could have [00:32:22] Brett: [00:32:22] I’ve seen this before or like I saw a preview. Yeah. I did not sign up for that beta, but, um, there was another one that was an all in one chat thing. It was like, you can install it through brew cask. I CA I didn’t like it. It didn’t it. I prefer, I ended up preferring just having multiple apps going. It was easier. [00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] Yeah. So this is, this is like a new, um, thing and I’m, I’m, uh, I P like I said, I paid for it. Um, and I know the guy who he’s kind of like, uh, he’s the co-founder, [00:33:00] um, Eric, uh, uh, make a Kowski he, the pebble smartwatch, if you remember that. [00:33:08] Brett: [00:33:08] Yeah. [00:33:09] Christina: [00:33:09] Yes, he’s a great guy. And, and this was kind of like his side project, and now he’s kind of doing it. [00:33:13] And So I’m, I’m super excited to try it out, but I they’re doing like personal onboarding and mine was scheduled like 8:00 AM today. And I just was like, I don’t want to do it, so I’m not. Um, but I, uh, I’ll do it in two weeks, but I’m excited about it because it’s going to be a pretty cool service. I think so [00:33:37] Brett: [00:33:37] So you put a link in, in our, our Quip and I did not have Firefox running. And for some reason, every time I clicked it, it opened. I turn [00:33:47]Christina: [00:33:47] weird. [00:33:49] Brett: [00:33:49] Yeah. It’s probably something to do with choosy. Choosy must be like Noah nothing’s running. So, oh, because it’s looking for the best just running and I have I [00:34:00] term as a possible [00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] that have as possible option. Yep. [00:34:03] Brett: [00:34:03] Yup. Okay. Did I tell you about, I’m sorry, I’m changing the subject mildly. Um, did I tell you about the, uh, experience I had with my zoom redirects? [00:34:14] Christina: [00:34:14] No. [00:34:15] Brett: [00:34:15] I, I had, uh, choosy watching for zoom links and instead of opening them first in the browser, and then in zoom, I was just having them, them straight to zoom. [00:34:27] So I didn’t have any open browser tabs. Except when I started working at Oracle, they use SSO to sign into zoom. [00:34:37] Christina: [00:34:37] Right. So [00:34:38] that doesn’t work anymore because it has to, you have to go through the browser [00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] right. And I, I could not figure out why my zoom room meetings, like I couldn’t get into my Oracle zoom meetings and I ended [00:34:51] Christina: [00:34:51] going on? And you’re like, oh, because I’m suppressing this login, [00:34:54] Brett: [00:34:54] well. Yeah. I realized that while tech support was screen-sharing and controlling my machine, I’m like, [00:35:00] hold on. I think I just figured out what’s going on. Speaking of I last week, I got a, uh, like I run this, my computer, my personal, yeah. [00:35:10] Mac mini is registered as a work machine. Uh, which means they control a certain amount of blood. [00:35:17] Christina: [00:35:17] Right. If they’ve got like an MDM monitor, whatever. [00:35:20] Brett: [00:35:20] Right. So I got an, a push notification that said there was a required, uh, transition. I don’t remember what the new one was called, but they were, uh, they pushed a profile. took over my machine changed. My machine name, changed my host name, added permissions for them to remote wipe my sheen and filter all my network traffic. [00:35:46] Even when I wasn’t on the VPN. Um, it was extremely invasive. And as a result, my computer has been cleansed of everything except for Cisco, any connect, which I need [00:36:00] to get to JIRA. Um, and I’m just waiting to see how long it takes for it to tell me I can’t use this machine anymore and be forced to only use my, my work laptop, which they’re welcome to install anything I want. [00:36:17] Christina: [00:36:17] Totally because they own it. Yeah. [00:36:18] Um, my hope and, and I don’t know, I guess it depends so the hour, and I have to say here they are not invasive at least, but they do for our personal machines. So our machines can be marked as like personal or, um, like, you know, company and the ones that are company oriented. [00:36:36] At least the windows machines. They can definitely do more stuff on the profile. And like, they like have like a software catalog and there’s more stuff that can be done, but on like my personal Mac, there is an MDM on it so that I can access company resources. But I think really the only thing that it requires is that I have, um, encryption on. [00:36:58] And a couple of other things and they do [00:37:00] make me, they have like required me to like, you know, uh, enable, I think they have a copy of my, you know, encryption key or whatever, which fine. Um, Well, I can change it, you know? I mean, like it wouldn’t, it is what it is. Um, like, like my, my, my, my, um, file vaults or whatever, but, um, you know, and I, I guess they could remotely wipe it if they needed to. [00:37:23] I’m not actually, I’m not even sure on the personal ones that they could, but anyway, it’s not that bad, but the way that it works is that I guess like the MDM has to make contact every so often. I think it’s like every 30 days to know, is this still in compliance or not? And so that would, that would be the, I guess, how long you would have before they would then be able to check. [00:37:45] But I don’t know what, what things they look at beyond that, [00:37:48] Brett: [00:37:48] Well, and I also don’t know what the penalty is. For, uh, for not being compliant. I like, I would rather just unregister my machine as a work machine [00:38:00] because there’s actually other than VPN access. There’s nothing I need my machine registered for. Uh, anything that I need to do that requires a registered computer I can do from my work laptop. [00:38:14] So I registered it to be nice, [00:38:17] Christina: [00:38:17] You registered it to be nice, but [00:38:18] yeah. but I mean, otherwise, like you’re not going to need anything. And I mean, I would think too worst case. This would be one of those things where if it were me, I would just like RDP into my work laptop from my Mac mini, if I needed to, to access something, honestly, [00:38:34] Brett: [00:38:34] Yeah. Yup. That’s the plan except RDP gets really hard if either machine’s on VPN fun stuff. Anyway, anyway, back [00:38:43] Christina: [00:38:43] there are probably work arounds for that, but, but be it back to interesting things. Yeah. [00:38:46] Brett: [00:38:46] What, uh, tell me about you. I saw on Twitter that you ordered a machine that got, uh, Harold, Chris, Harold really, uh, uh, peaked his interest, but I don’t, I don’t know what’s happening. [00:38:57] What’s happening. [00:38:58] Christina: [00:38:58] Okay. So it is, I don’t [00:39:00] have it yet, but I pre-ordered, it I’ve put a hundred dollars down and it’s supposed to ship some time in August. So it is called the framework laptop. So it’s at frame.work. Um, and it is a pretty cool laptop. It’s an ultra. Um, that is priced about the same as actually the ultra book, the windows laptop that I had just bought the Dell XPS 93, 10 that I spent about it was with once tax and stuff was involved. [00:39:26] It was about $2,000 from Costco and it’s spec wise very similar. At least the, when I can figure the Dell has a better screen. Um, but the, uh, processor Ram and, um, SSD are, are the same, um, spec wise. So, but what’s interesting about this. It’s it’s like former people, like there’s some former apple engineers and people from Lenovo and people from HP and the whole concept, which when they announced it in February, I have to admit I was pretty skeptical and I was like, I’m rooting for them, but I don’t know if this is going to work. [00:39:56] And I still kind of feel this way, but the first reviews are out and [00:40:00] I’m becoming more hopeful. So the idea behind this thing is that they’ve made a fully repairable, modular upgradable laptop. So it’s still thin and light. Like it’s not going to be, you know, uh, like it’s, it’s not thick. Like it still looks like an ultra book or whatever, but you can repair basically every part of it. [00:40:20] So it is designed, you know, where like they’ve made like a, a modular motherboard that you can take out and use afterwards. You can’t replace the CPU on it because. Laptop CPU’s don’t work. Aren’t socketed, but, but like the battery is designed to be, you know, replaced if you want to, um, and, and repaired like, um, they have QR codes on the inside that show you how to install new things. [00:40:46] You can repair the speakers, replaced them, the, the, um, uh, camera and, and microphone, like on the screen can be taken out. The screen can be replaced like the keyboard. They have different options for different keyboards. You can [00:41:00] use, like it’s really, really repairable, really modular. And then their plan is that they are going to be selling. [00:41:06] Basically they’re using the, the thinner. Um, they don’t have the Thunderbolt, uh, certification yet, but it is Thunderbolt. They’re using those lanes to basically create little modules that will stick into the side that will have different connection things. So it can store four of them. So you can have like four USB-C ports or Thunderbolt, forts ports, or you could have like one USB-C, one, um, display port one, HD Mai one micro SD, and then you can, you can flop, you can hot swap them in and out as you’re using the laptops. [00:41:35] So, um, the whole concept is both for it to be like right to repair because they’re going to be making the schematics available to repair shops, which is very cool, making the parts available to people, to be able to, to get an also like environmental so that you don’t have to like throw away your whole laptop if something breaks, or if you want to upgrade the Ram, which [00:42:00] increasingly you can’t do on laptops. [00:42:02] Like, like the, the XPS 13 that I got, I had to buy it with 32 gigs of Ram. Because it sold her den and that’s increasingly common with like a lot of laptops and like I could replace the SSD on it, but that’s about it. And, and so, um, when they announced this, like in February, I was like, this is a really great idea. [00:42:23] I’m not quite Sure. [00:42:24] if this concept will take off because we’ve seen like the modular phones before and the other types of upgradeable stuff. And like, they just, haven’t had a market where there’ve been enough people who’ve been willing to support it. And I’m still kind of skeptical. I don’t know how many this is going to sell. [00:42:36] And I don’t know how huge the third-party ecosystem will be, although they are doing things like making schematics and stuff available and like making things so that if people want to create their own expansion slots or create their own 3d printed, you know, things or, or accessories or whatever they can, like, they’re totally open to letting the community have a lot of impact with this. [00:42:55] Um, I feel like. The first reviews came out and they were [00:43:00] pretty positive. Some of them were better than others, but, um, Linus tech tips, he did a video review. He really liked it. He actually ended up like ordering one, like while he was reviewing it, he was like, I’m getting it. And when I read the reviews last week, I almost bit the bullet and ordered one and I didn’t. [00:43:17] And then that was dumb because Linus, his PO came up on Monday and like the website like crashed. I was like, dammit, I should should’ve ordered last week. Um, but I was able to pre-order one. Um, I got the, the DIY edition. It was, it was once taxed, everything was involved and with all the different components I wanted about $2,100. [00:43:35] Um, so Yeah. [00:43:37] It’s basically priced about the same as what I paid for the Dell, um, for, for similar specs. And, um, they say it’ll ship sometime in August, but I’m really excited about it. Like, I, I, I want this concept to work, you know, even if it’s not something that will have like mass brought appeal, I really liked the idea of having something that’s sustainable, upgradable, tinker, rubble, you know, like a company [00:44:00] [00:43:59] Brett: [00:43:59] Everything that an apple machine is not. [00:44:03] Christina: [00:44:03] Right or, but not just an apple machine, like even like the surface machines. Right. Even, even like most of the manufacturers, like some of the, the Chinese, um, laptop, uh, chasses makers, some of their make like ultralights that are more upgradeable than others, but a lot of them don’t and certainly you don’t have anything that is like, it comes with a screwdriver, it comes with a screwdriver. [00:44:24] So, because it’s designed for like open up your machine and then they’ve designed it. So that like the, the cables that connect the keyboard to the inside are long. So that when you open up for the first time, you’re not. [00:44:34] getting like snack. Cause if you have, if you don’t open that stuff up all the time, you might like pull too hard and break off the, the, the connector. [00:44:41] They have like cable managed when you put in the wifi card, like there are a bunch of different things they thought about that just seem really smart. And I like that philosophy a lot. So I got one and I I’m really looking forward to, um, to getting it. Cause I think, I think it’s pretty. [00:44:57] Brett: [00:44:57] Nice. Yeah, that’s pretty exciting. [00:45:00] [00:45:00] Sponsor: Sanebox [00:45:00] Um, our next sponsor today is SaneBox, which is a service I’ve used for like 10 years. So I’m super happy. They’re finally sponsoring us. [00:45:11] Inbox zero is a thing of the past. We’re all so inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything, it’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox comes in. Think of it as an EMT for your email as messages flow in SaneBox, that’s the triage for you sifting only the important emails into your inbox and directing all the other distracting stuff into your same later folder. [00:45:39] Brett (2): [00:45:39] Or if you, if you have the add on features, you can have a whole bunch of different folders for like newsletters, bulk emails, you even get a sane black hole where you can drag messages from annoying sender that you never want to hear from again, If they just disappear, move them to a mailbox and all future [00:46:00] messages from that sender are gone, not in your trash, just gone. [00:46:04] Um, one of my other favorite features is the snooze folders. You can create custom folders with a certain time intervals on them. Like I have one for saying next week saying tomorrow, saying later this afternoon, and I just move a message to one of those folders. And in that period of time after it’s elapsed, it comes back to my inbox as an unread message, uh, which, you know, like a lot of I use spark on my phone, which has its own snooze feature and a lot of email clients do now, but I use multiple email clients. [00:46:41] And my favorite one on the Mac is MailMate which doesn’t have snooze feature. Having the SaneBox news folders lets me use the same method. Every email client on every device that I have and, and keeps them keep, keeps my snooze. Like if you snooze in spark on your [00:47:00] phone and then go to MailMate and you want to see a message that you know is snoozed, you can’t get to it, but with sane, snooze folders, you totally can. [00:47:11]There’s also one called sane reminders that will ping you. If someone hasn’t replied your email by a certain date. Anyway, see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a two week free trial visit sanebox.com/overtired today to start your free trial and get a $25 credit that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. [00:47:37] I recommend SaneBox to everybody I use. This is not an affiliate link for me, but when I recommend it personally, I use an affiliate link and I have my next three years of SaneBox paid for because so many people have signed up from that link. You want to get it, you will have trouble living without it. [00:47:55] So sanebox.com/overtired. Highly recommend everybody check it out. [00:48:00] [00:48:00]Christina: [00:48:00] Awesome. [00:48:02]Brett: [00:48:02] Okay. So, so, so I was just talking to my sweetheart about the fact that so many great iOS games came out with like more monetized, double versions, and eventually let the original version die. [00:48:24] And sometimes not even more monetized bubble, they just thought they had a more fun way to like monsters eight, my condo amazing first version, second version. Totally different concepts, still fun, but not as fun. [00:48:38] Christina: [00:48:38] Right. If they were like, they were like trying to chase, like what the trends were with games. [00:48:43] Brett: [00:48:43] Yeah. And they let the first one diet no longer runs on current addresses. [00:48:47] And it’s very frustrating and angry birds went down that path. Uh, like I had a blast with the first version. And so like a day or two after I had this conversation with [00:49:00] L a angry birds, reloaded came out out and it went back to the original formula. [00:49:07] And it’s just the first version with a few extra like power ups and ad-ons, but it’s all the fun of the first game. And it was very serendipitous that I was complaining about this. And then they came through and I’m once again, playing angry birds, [00:49:24] Christina: [00:49:24] That’s awesome, [00:49:26] Brett: [00:49:26] all over. Right. [00:49:27] Christina: [00:49:27] man. So I met one of the angry birds, uh, creators. Once he came to Mashable, he was like six, 10. My actual actually, actually, actually he might’ve been over seven feet tall. I don’t remember. But I remember in that office, like we, we had a thing where like, we drew, like we took like, you? [00:49:45] know, his height and my height and like drew them on the wall because he was just like such a big guy. [00:49:51]Um, they also, they sent me angry birds bands ones, which were probably the coolest shoes I’ve ever had. So those are my, and I actually had the angry [00:50:00] birds, plush animals that like I bought, um, I loved angry birds back in the day. So I I’m glad to know that that reloaded thing or whatever is back. Is it like an apple or cage or is it just like in the app store? [00:50:11] Like [00:50:12] Brett: [00:50:12] in arcade. [00:50:13] Christina: [00:50:13] nice. [00:50:14] Brett: [00:50:14] Did, did you know that when the original version of angry birds was released, there were only five people bull on the team. It was a fight person team making a game that became a goddamn movie. [00:50:28] Christina: [00:50:28] Yes. Um, uh, a series of movies and that, like, I don’t remember how much EA bought Rovio for, but they bought them for a lot of money and yeah. [00:50:37] Brett: [00:50:37] That’s a, that’s a developer success story right there. [00:50:41] Christina: [00:50:41] Oh, it’s the biggest one. The only problem they had was that they, some of the SQLs and some of the other stuff they did over the years wasn’t as successful. And like you said, they went into the IEP space where like, oh, you have to have coins and you have to, you know, like have this many lives and do these things to get power ups in this and that, which ruined the whole thing, in my opinion. [00:50:59] Brett: [00:50:59] It’s [00:51:00] a totally different game. [00:51:01] Christina: [00:51:01] completely, and then, you know, they, they had like a lot of, um, they struggled, I think is some of the, the, the like angry birds two was good. And they had, like, there was bad piggies, but like, you know, there’s only so much you can kind of do in terms of the level design with this sort of thing. [00:51:14] And, you know, it’s, it’s like, uh, but I think it was probably the first. Yeah. [00:51:19] I think it was like the in for a time. I think it was the strongest, like, but it was like, if we want to be honest, I think it was the first mobile gaming IP, right? Like that, that you could, uh, that could, you know, obviously doesn’t have the longevity of like an intense, like a Mario or Sonic or whatever, but Yeah, [00:51:35] it became a movie and the movies did well and you know, they sold merch. [00:51:39] Like I bought the freaking plush dolls back when I lived in Atlanta, I had them. Um, so I mean, that’s how long ago it was like, it was like, I think it’s, I actually I’ll have to go back and look and Mashable ruined their website. They did a redesign and they did shitty stuff with all of the old stuff that had been written before they’d [00:52:00] moved to this new custom CMS. [00:52:01] So anything written like pre early 2016, they. Stripped of all the formatting got rid of all the photos, got rid of all the links, any of the shortcodes like they really did the worst red Jack sort of thing they could have possibly done in archiving it. So, uh, it sucks to try to go back and read it in my old work because I’m like, well, now I can’t. [00:52:23] Um, but, uh, that, uh, I, I’m pretty sure that I wrote something a decade plus ago about how it was like the, the Mario of the mobile age because of, of how it was like the first like mobile grown, you know, like true success brand sort of thing. [00:52:42] Brett: [00:52:42] What was the, what was the one that, oh, epic? What was the epic game? [00:52:47] Christina: [00:52:47] Oh, um, infinity, um, sor uh, infinity, whatever. [00:52:53] Brett: [00:52:53] the one that, that got into the big snafu with apple about [00:52:57] Christina: [00:52:57] Oh, okay. [00:52:58] Brett: [00:52:58] Fortnite. Yeah. [00:53:00] I feel like Fortnite came maybe close to that level of, of success. [00:53:06] Christina: [00:53:06] Oh, most definitely. And it’s free to play, but Fortnite is not just on mobile. Right? Like, [00:53:11] Brett: [00:53:11] Oh, that is a major difference. Yeah. [00:53:13] Christina: [00:53:13] and it didn’t launch on mobile. Like angry birds was interesting and that it was an iPhone game. And then it was eventually ported to all these other things. Like you could, like, it was on Roku TVs at one point. [00:53:24] Like, you know, [00:53:25] Brett: [00:53:25] Yeah. [00:53:27] Christina: [00:53:27] so that, that, that’s what I meant. Like, it was like the first it’s the first mobile IP game. Like not to say that there weren’t people who had oh, cause people will be like, oh, well there was this. And there was that. I was like, nothing. That was a cultural phenomenon that was massively successful. [00:53:40] You know, that was easy to do. And it’s just these five finish guys, like you said, [00:53:45] Brett: [00:53:45] can I do an add thing to you and jump back to a previous topic? [00:53:49] Christina: [00:53:49] of course. [00:53:50] Brett: [00:53:50] Of course, that’s what we do. That’s that’s [00:53:52] Christina: [00:53:52] I mean, this is our show. [00:53:54] Brett: [00:53:54] Um, do you think I could make a hack and Tosh out of the framework? Laptop? [00:53:58]I have no idea [00:54:00] what goes into a hack and cash to begin with. So I don’t know [00:54:02] Christina: [00:54:02] okay. So here’s, here’s the problem with it? Cause I actually looked into that. Here’s the issue, um, right now, no, unless you have an external GPU, uh, or you are able to go through some sort of emulation layer because, um, the last Intel like support that they have is for the 10th generation processors. [00:54:22] So the love and the gin ships that they’re using and then newer Z, um, um, like, Uh, [00:54:28] integrated graphics. There aren’t any drivers for That So unless apple somehow releases another, you know, like Intel-based Mac and they somehow update their drivers. Um, there are rumors. [00:54:42] Brett: [00:54:42] not going to happen. [00:54:44] Christina: [00:54:44] Well, probably not for the Z. However, there are, or rumors that suggest that they will be releasing an updated Mac pro that we’ll be running the Xeon, like the latest Yon processor. [00:54:56] So if that happens, which honestly, I kind of believe [00:55:00] that, um, I could see them doing that. Um, if that were to happen, it’s possible that at that point there might be some updated drivers, however, no, you wouldn’t have any sort of accelerated graphics at all. So what you need to do in this, because I’m looking into this myself, you would need to have like an external GPU. [00:55:18] Um, and, uh, and it would need to be like an AMD GPU. And then, yeah, I think it would work because like I’ve hack and tossed my, uh, 2018, uh, meet book pro. Um, I had to get a different, um, wireless ship for it though, but that’s the shitty thing. Everything else about it would be like perfect hack Antosz material, except apple doesn’t have drivers for the dam. [00:55:39] Um, 11th gen, um, Intel thing. Yeah, [00:55:44] Brett: [00:55:44] Okay. [00:55:44]Christina: [00:55:44] sadly. [00:55:46]Brett: [00:55:46] I just, I don’t have any interest in running a windows machine, but the configurability of it is [00:55:53] Christina: [00:55:53] No, I know. Well, that’s what I’m saying. And also they have like native Linux support and like, Yeah. [00:55:59] that’s the thing, [00:56:00] right? Like, I, I have the same kind of thing. I’m like, I really, for me, this is why I will more than likely be returning the Dell because I would like to have one windows, laptop, um, uh, just, you know, to play around with, although I will spend 99% of my time, you know, on Mac stuff. [00:56:17] But, uh, the, the configurability and all the nerdy stuff is like, just so appealing. And that honestly, it’s weird. Like, I think this is why I have now gotten to the point where I want like a, uh, a PC laptop, some sort it’s not about the operating system. It’s just like, I don’t have an option to do any of that stuff with the Mac. [00:56:37] So if I want to get my nerd on. I have to use like Linux or windows. Not that I really want to, but that’s where we are in this, so [00:56:47] Brett: [00:56:47] I have one more hardware thing before we go, [00:56:50] Christina: [00:56:50] yeah. [00:56:50] Brett: [00:56:50] despite my, my stream deck trials and tribulations with El Gato support, um, I ordered the El Gato face cam when they announced [00:57:00] it and it is a great webcam. Uh, [00:57:04] Christina: [00:57:04] looks great. [00:57:05] Brett: [00:57:05] thing that I most wanted, the re the selling point for me. So I had this like green screen that pits on the back of my chair. [00:57:15] Except with a 10 80 P Logitech webcam. I have to use a webcam settings, the like the external app store app to zoom it in enough that you can’t see the edges of the green screen because it’s too wide a view and the FA oh, and so the problem with that, that’s great. But zoom constantly override. The setting. [00:57:39] So like someone will like start shoot screen-sharing. And when zoom moves my video to the side, it’ll like zoom it out. And all of a sudden I’m sitting there with like a square, uh, green screen surrounded by my messy office. Um, the, the face cam you can set a zoom and then save it to [00:58:00] the hardware. So it, you can configure it without an external application and any app that accesses, it will be forced to use those presets. [00:58:10] So that is like besides being a great cam with, with excellent, uh, exposure and white balance and resolution, uh, it, it, it has, uh, it has hardware configurability. [00:58:24] Christina: [00:58:24] Yeah. [00:58:24] no, I, I, um, I looked at that I don’t need a webcam. Um, but I was like, where was this a year ago? Cause this would have been great rather than me spending $1,100. On my, my Sony camera, I mean, which is obviously better, but like this, the quality that, that I’ve seen him, like for a lot of people, it’s going to be a big step up. [00:58:43] And I, like, I know a lot of people were complaining that it doesn’t have a microphone built in. I’m like, that’s a plus for me, because I’m going to use an external microphone. And I would encourage most people to use an external microphone. Like we have, we were like, oh, well, if you’re traveling this or that, I’m like, if you’re traveling, you probably are still taking your AirPods or something with you, [00:59:00] which even your AirPods are going to be a better mic than what we built into your webcam. [00:59:05] So, [00:59:06] Brett: [00:59:06] Yeah, [00:59:07] Christina: [00:59:07] Yeah. Um, [00:59:08]Brett: [00:59:08] Anyway, that was a weird episode. [00:59:11] Christina: [00:59:11] this was a weird episode. No, but I’m glad, I’m glad that you like it. That’s good to know. I, I have, I’ve given El Gato. This is why I was really mad about them. Like with their support stuff with you, because I’ve given them so much money in the last 12 months, I’ve bought almost everything they make and I don’t need the face cam, but I was like, well, if I go back to the office, And I want a better one, you know, for the office. [00:59:37] And I, and I’m obviously not going to buy a second, uh, expensive camera or whatever. Then I was like, well, maybe, maybe I’ll get it for that. Right. [00:59:45] Like, you know, or, or maybe it would be a good, like maybe doable, like travel thing. If, if, if travel comes back or whatever. So it was like looking at these things, but I have like the key light air. [00:59:54] I have two of those. I have the multi Mount. I have the, um, the, the, um, [01:00:00] pull-down green screen. I have the HD 60 S plus I have the, uh, the, uh, cam link 4k. Like I literally have like almost I had the, um, uh, the ring light. Like I, have everything practically. They saw, I have to have the stream deck XL. So like, when I heard this, I was like, okay, I’m really mad at Coursera right now. [01:00:19] We’re not treating you well, because that makes me like question how I’ve spent all this money on stuff, but they did at least come through. Have you received your report? [01:00:28] Brett: [01:00:28] I just got it. Uh, last week I now have both of my stream decks working again. And so I, we’re going to go over a little bit here. Um, I, I set up my stream decks so that, uh, like, so my stream deck mini, which is six buttons. Uh, I have it as like my auxiliary, when I switched to a profile on my regular stream deck, it sets up six extra buttons on the auxiliary stream [01:01:00] decks. [01:01:00] So like when I, when, uh, screen, uh, ScreenFlow loads, it loads up all of the editing buttons on the regular stream deck, but on the stream deck mini it loads up the recording button. So I can start, stop, pause, add markers, uh, open the recording, monitor all from the mini I’ve got this perfect like tandem stream deck system set up. [01:01:24] I love it. And you can control one stream deck from another. I’m having so much fun. [01:01:32] Christina: [01:01:32] Yay. That’s awesome. [01:01:33] Brett: [01:01:33] Have you seen, re incubate cammo [01:01:36] Christina: [01:01:36] Yeah. [01:01:36] Brett: [01:01:36] this may actually have even come up on this show before, but [01:01:39] Christina: [01:01:39] I think you might’ve been the one who told me about it. That’s that’s an app that lets you use, um, your, um, um, yeah. [01:01:45] Brett: [01:01:45] As a webcam it’s [01:01:47] Christina: [01:01:47] It’s pretty cool. [01:01:48] Brett: [01:01:48] if you have, if you have a good mounting setup, but you can get a gorilla pod for, [01:01:53] Christina: [01:01:53] I was going to say, get a gorilla pod or, or, um, something else even like, if you get some of those things you can frame with it. Yeah. That’s, that’s a [01:02:00] really good option. [01:02:02] Brett: [01:02:02] unless you have, you know, uh, uh, uh, max pro size iPhone that you can’t possibly mute, or it can’t pop possibly mountains, still be able to see your screen around. Uh, it’s a good option anyway. Yeah. So this episode got, it was diverse. If yes, diverse would be my word. heroine, customizable laptops, angry birds, uh, webcams. [01:02:30] I feel like we hit, we hit all. We hit all the important stuff. All this stuff kids are talking about today, we hit it all. [01:02:37] Christina: [01:02:37] Honestly, this was like our most tech heavy episode in a really long time. And I’m, I I’m glad for it. I’m here for it. [01:02:42] Brett: [01:02:42] I will say your episode last week with Ashley, uh, Skedda uh, was very listener bubble. Uh, you got into gaming, which is great because I can’t talk about gaming. I have nothing to add to that conversation, but I feel like it’s an important like tech [01:03:00] topics. So thank you for a great show. I, uh, I enjoyed it much more than the who’s fuckable in 2000 boy bands episode. [01:03:08]Christina: [01:03:08] We tried. We tried. Yeah. That, that one didn’t go in that direction. So it was, Yeah. it was more gaming and tech kind of, rather than, than being, um, uh, pop culture related it. Look, we all have multitudes. Okay. So [01:03:22]Brett: [01:03:22] Yeah. Nice job. Thanks for doing that. [01:03:25] Christina: [01:03:25] Thank you. Happy birthday. I’m glad that your, um, oral surgery went well. How, how did your recovery go? How are you feeling [01:03:31] Brett: [01:03:31] I am fully recovered now. It was a rough week. I didn’t sleep much. They gave me zero pain meds after pulling out half my jaw. Um, and I only have half a mouth now, so I’m learning to eat with half my mouth until next March. So, um, [01:03:45] Christina: [01:03:45] then, and then, and then you’re getting like implants or whatever. [01:03:48] Brett: [01:03:48] yeah. Yes. I still at my job in full dental coverage. I will be getting implants. [01:03:54] Christina: [01:03:54] You’re going to still have your job and full dental. So, [01:03:56] Brett: [01:03:56] Yeah. [01:03:57] Christina: [01:03:57] and are you putting enough, are you putting up for enough March because they [01:04:00] need to for your healing or are you like, is this how you’re like cheating the insurance. [01:04:04] Brett: [01:04:04] Healing. It takes, it takes four months for the extraction to heal. Uh, then they add the, uh, like the posts for the implants. Then that takes four months to heal. Then they can add the teeth to it, [01:04:18] Christina: [01:04:18] Oh God. [01:04:19] Brett: [01:04:19] it also works out so that I can hit my dental max [01:04:22] Christina: [01:04:22] No, I was [01:04:23] Brett: [01:04:23] two different years. [01:04:24] Christina: [01:04:24] no. Well, th this is why I was asking, because my dentist has done that with me before. She’s like, okay, well, we’re going to schedule things are all, all around this time. And that way, when you come back after the first of the year, you’ll have a new deductible and I’m like, you’re smart. [01:04:39] Brett: [01:04:39] Yeah. That’s my dentist said the exact same thing. They usually schedule stuff like this out over a couple of years. [01:04:44]Christina: [01:04:44] Love it. [01:04:45] Brett: [01:04:45] All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep. [01:04:49] Christina: [01:04:49] get some sleep. Brett.

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Show Links Loki Ted Lasso He Man Physical Spycraft Death’s Door Returnal Steam Deck CES Join the Community See you on Discord! Thanks! You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 246 Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You’re listening to overtired, but Terpstra is out because he had to get surgery or something. I don’t know. Faker. Anyway, I’m Christina Warren and I’m here with the amazing Ashlea Asqueda. Ashley, how are you? [00:00:19] Ashley: [00:00:19] I just, I don’t know if there’s like, uh, maybe cosmic exhaustion, like w that’s I’m going to go ahead and upgrade this episode of overtired to cosmic exhaustion [00:00:31] Christina: [00:00:31] Cosmic exhaustion. Okay. So that’s what the, that’s what the podcast is called for this episode. Welcome to welcome to cosmic exhaustion with Ashley and Christina. [00:00:40] Ashley: [00:00:40] Yes. Yes. It’s just, just a, just a perpetual state of exhaustion. Just everything is exhausting, everything. It’s just like all the time. The internet is exhausting, Christina. [00:00:54] Christina: [00:00:54] It’s exhausting. Okay. Talk to me about that. Like, what are some of the things that are leaving you? So [00:01:00] cosmic leaks. [00:01:01] Ashley: [00:01:01] I think yesterday, I, you know, I think watching Jeff Bezos touch the edge of space, uh, you know, while we’ve got teachers who have Amazon wishlist full of stuff they need for the school year that Jeff Bezos could literally just fulfill out of pocket for nothing for literally. I mean, he would not even notice a [00:01:23] Christina: [00:01:23] He wouldn’t even notice he’d get a tax write off. [00:01:26] Ashley: [00:01:26] would get a tax write up, like, just like I saw at the end, like at the a hundred million dollar fund, whatever that’s fine. Like van Jones is already rich, so I don’t know what, who that helps. Like, I’m fine, but. I think it would have been better for Jeff Bezos to have. And I know that the reason that he did that was the optics of it, right? [00:01:46] It’s like, oh, you’re spending all this money to like, fly your weird penis, rocket up into space. But it’s like, I knew you, he knew when he came back down, there would be the, the discourse, right? It’s like the [00:02:00] discourse of how much money he has versus the haves and haves nots and income inequality and all that stuff. [00:02:05] So he knew he had to come back down and bring something. So he did that like big, oh, I’m, we’re going to give a hundred million dollars to certain, you know, conversation makers who are trying to make the world a better place, whatever. [00:02:17] Christina: [00:02:17] blah, blah, blah. [00:02:18] Ashley: [00:02:18] but really all he had to do was be like, if you’re a teacher and you qualify, you can submit. [00:02:23] And he had how much time to work on this. Just so much time. He had it over a year that we knew this was happening for a long time months, at least. Um, and it’s not like he doesn’t have the money to throw at an accelerated development pace to say, if you’re a teacher submit your credentials. And if you are verified as it as an educator, Amazon is going to wipe out your wishlist and send everything you need to, to you for the school year up to a certain dollar amount, $5,000. [00:02:59] What have [00:03:00] you? I don’t, I don’t know how much I’m not a teacher, so I don’t know how much money they would need every year, but I know it’s a significant enough amount of money that they need to put, put together an Amazon wishlist. So, um, so yeah, I think that would have been maybe more impactful. Like, I, it just feels like a thing. [00:03:15] Like, I, I don’t know. I felt like, um, you know, it’s nice giving a hundred million dollars to one person, but why not? You know, instead of once, again, like this is an inequality, like thing, like why not just spread that a hundred million dollars out to all the teachers who have, you know, really significant wishlists and need them for the school year, especially with the pandemic, they have to get, you know, extra cleaning supplies and [00:03:37] Christina: [00:03:37] Yeah. [00:03:37] Ashley: [00:03:37] just so much extra stuff that they have to have that we are not providing them. [00:03:41] Um, so I just feel like it’s, um, you know, good, good for you. Jeffrey Bezos. [00:03:47] Christina: [00:03:47] Yeah, [00:03:48] no, I agree with you. And the thing is, is that if he did that, that would have been such a huge PR win also for Amazon, because they could have been like, oh, well, you know, um, you know, cause you have to be an Amazon, [00:04:00] like it has to be an Amazon wishlist. Right. And, and we’re, we’re doing all this stuff where we’re helping people, you know, uh we’re we’re helping the teachers we’ll help him helping the community, whatnot. [00:04:10] Like it really would’ve played well, like you’re, you’re dead on that would have been so much smarter. That [00:04:15] Ashley: [00:04:15] a grant for an annual teachers. An annual teacher’s fund should be like every year. If you’re, if you’re a qualified teacher, you’re at your employment has been verified. [00:04:25] Christina: [00:04:25] Yeah. Which they do anyway, I think with some of their, like their prime education and other like programs, like they have a way to verify it. [00:04:32] Ashley: [00:04:32] They can do it. It’s Amazon has the money and the, and the, they have the manpower, the person power to do this, to, to verify employment. [00:04:42] And every year they can do it every year. They can verify reverify employment every year. Comic-Con does it every year. So I think that they, I think Amazon can do it. I think it would be fine. [00:04:50] Christina: [00:04:50] 100%. I mean, they could even go a step further. They wanted to be, I mean, this wouldn’t cover everybody, but it would be also kind of a boon for them. It’d be like, your school has [00:05:00] to register with Amazon. [00:05:01] Ashley: [00:05:01] Yeah. Yeah. [00:05:02] Christina: [00:05:02] Your school has to register with Amazon. Okay. You know what cool. Like that’s, that seems acceptable. [00:05:07] Um, and so I don’t know. I feel like that’s a, that Would be a completely [00:05:16] Ashley: [00:05:16] Would have been nice, right? [00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] do. It would’ve been nice. I I’m with [00:05:18] Ashley: [00:05:18] universe in a, in a post low-key, uh, branching timeline. It would have been a very nice nexus event for teachers. [00:05:26] Christina: [00:05:26] That would have been a nice nexus advent, you know, we didn’t see a lot of that in Loki. Timelines where things seem to be better. [00:05:35] Ashley: [00:05:35] Yeah. They’re all worse. Right. So is that the message everyone’s trying to send us? It’s like, Hey guys, like, um, maybe just accept this timeline because in all the other it’s so much worse and at least 50% of it. [00:05:48] Christina: [00:05:48] But like, but that seems weird, right? Like that doesn’t seem, [00:05:52] Ashley: [00:05:52] Yeah. Like where’s the C I, okay. Can we talk about the end of Loki? Are we allowed to do [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] Yeah, let’s totally talk about the end of, okay. Okay. Um, [00:06:00] listeners, if you wash low-key on Disney plus, and you haven’t caught up in the last couple of weeks, I will put in the show notes. What time you can listen to it again, but we’re going to now do get into split the time. So, so let’s, let’s talk about it. [00:06:11] Ashley: [00:06:11] just, just really briefly. I like, I don’t think we have to get too deep into it and 2d paving into the spoilers, but it’s like, I think the end, basically, you know, the I’ll try to be vague the care that the character they encounter him and Sylvie encounter at the end, um, basically offers them everything they want, right. [00:06:33] To the, oh, what, what can you, what can you possibly want? And the thing is, is I know that this is sort of like a low-key who, this is not the same low-key that went through all of the events of like infinity war. And that’s not, this is the loci that came from the end of the first Avengers. So he’s not really a good guy yet. [00:06:57] And it seems like this transformation of him [00:07:00] to being this like, sort of, kind of good guy, they, they sort of leaned a little bit on, um, they leaned a little bit on, on the, the last [00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] Yeah. The [00:07:09] Ashley: [00:07:09] phase. Yeah. Yeah. [00:07:10] Christina: [00:07:10] I know. Yeah, that you’re right. You’re right. ‘ [00:07:13] Ashley: [00:07:13] cause to dangle, like why not show him a world in which he rules show him that. Like, I want to see that I want to see that world, like you mentioned, like why don’t we see these things? [00:07:24] And it’s like to see that would have been such an incredibly tempting thing for that. Low-key like for that Loki would have been such an incredibly temp tempting thing. And it felt like he didn’t even really, um, grapple with it for longer than a second. Right. Like, I know that it’s about his feelings about Sylvie and like, you know, he says in the, and he’s like, I just want you to be okay. [00:07:44] Like that’s what he wants more than anything. It reminded me of, um, the mirror of era said from Harry Potter, like his greatest desire has now changed to see something different. Now it’s a Sylvie Sylvia’s stew, her being okay. Is, is his greatest wish. [00:08:00] [00:07:59] Christina: [00:07:59] Yeah. Yeah, [00:08:00] And I think that’s a good point. And it’s also, um, I mean, I think they tried to play off like his. Coming to terms and like becoming a better person by showing him, you know, uh, stuff about his mother and stuff in the future. And like, kind of like letting him go through that process. But you’re right. [00:08:16] It was pretty fast. I was willing to give them a break for that because you know, six episodes, but you are correct in so far as like then by the end of the six episodes and the characterization, it’s like the writers forgot, oh, this is not the same loci from, um, uh, he wasn’t an end game. Um, what was, uh, [00:08:36] Ashley: [00:08:36] Infinity war. I think, I think that you mentioned the whole, like, he sees his whole life, like his future life, like flash before his eyes, but for, you know, for all intent and purposes, that’s exactly what it is. Um, and he sees it, you know, the death of his mother and all this other stuff that he causes. So I do think that there is a. [00:08:55] There is something to be said for like, having to experience that all in one, [00:09:00] like piece of info, like piece of information that’s like dropped on your head, like an anvil. Um, so yes, like I, I think that that could be enough potentially. Um, but I do think, I, I know watching it, like there were spots where I was like, I think the pandemic, uh, prevented this bit from being expanded upon and like, that was kind of a bummer. [00:09:24] So it just felt like there were a couple of bit, a couple of pieces of the show that were not quite there. Of the pandemic and I know Falcon and the winter soldier, like they talked at length about it afterwards, where they were just like, you know, we had all these problems. We had to, like, I think they were in Prague. [00:09:40] And then all of a sudden date, they, the lockdown started and they just had all gotten there. I think they’d been there for a week. And then they were like, oh, oh no, like we have to, we have to get out of here. Like we have to go home. Otherwise we may not be able to come home. And so they had to get like a hundred people back to the U S it’s like, it was a whole thing. [00:09:59] I mean, it was really [00:10:00] tough. Um, [00:10:01] Christina: [00:10:01] why it sucked. [00:10:02] Ashley: [00:10:02] well, they, so they ended up having to build, if you guys, if anyone is listening and has not, um, We can, I think we can say like end of spoiler chat, right. It looks like [00:10:11] Christina: [00:10:11] Yes. Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah. [00:10:13] Ashley: [00:10:13] time ten-ish minutes. Um, but if you haven’t seen the, um, the, uh, making of Falcon in winter soldier that behind the scenes show that, that they do on Disney plus they, they talk about, um, how they had to recreate parts of like Prague. [00:10:28] And like, I think port was it, I forget the other, it was like, uh, it was somewhere else that they were also shooting. Um, and they had to kind of recreate a lot of that out just outside of Atlanta, like in the suburbs, which is wild to me like that they were able to do that. Like what a heavy lift. [00:10:47] Christina: [00:10:47] Yeah. Also, like I grew up in the Atlanta suburbs and it does not look like Prague at all. [00:10:52] Ashley: [00:10:52] No. [00:10:52] Christina: [00:10:52] not even close. Um, so Yeah. I think I think that probably I, I was being facetious and that, was why it sucked. I think [00:11:00] it sucked for a lot of reasons, but I’m sure that didn’t help with the process at all. [00:11:03] Ashley: [00:11:03] I think that, um, man, I, I, I really would have loved that as a movie, like black widow. I think it would have been a really nice movie or a longer TV show. I like, I don’t know. I w I liked it. I just didn’t. Um, I, I think the, I would have liked to have seen, um, just a little bit more, and I had an issue with one thing that they did at the end, where it was like, Bucky tells Sam he’s like, do the, do the work you have to learn. [00:11:32] You have to like do or no, I’m sorry. Sam tells Bucky do the work. Like he’s like you had to do the work. And like, to me doing the work for Bucky would be actually sitting down and going to therapy. Like he literally like leaves his therapist. I was like, yeah, I don’t need you anymore. I’m done. I’m going to go do some work. [00:11:48] I’m just like, wait, wait, wait, wait, come back. [00:11:50] Christina: [00:11:50] Yeah, no, I think That’s fair. Um, I, think for me, the problem with Falcon winter soldier was that I thought one division was so good and it was not what I expected from a Disney plus [00:12:00] Marvel show. And then talking to winter soldier, it was exactly what I expected from, uh, from, uh, you know, um, Disney plus Marvel show. [00:12:06] And I was just like, really? There’s nothing here. Um, [00:12:09] Ashley: [00:12:09] I, I liked it. [00:12:10] Christina: [00:12:10] interesting show and then we had the. [00:12:12] Ashley: [00:12:12] I, think, um, one of the things that, uh, has seemed very polarizing online is the, uh, the whole, like people either really like, or really don’t like some of these shows. And I think a big part of it is, uh, at least from a couple of friends, um, anecdotally is that they, they’re not, they’re not, they’re expecting a certain thing and they get something else. [00:12:36] So like you were saying, like, I think a lot of people were hoping, Wanda vision, if they have the opposite problem you did where they were like, nah, one division. I don’t really like it because it’s not what I expected from an MCU property. And then, and then, you know, then Falcon in the winter, soldier come out, like, this is exactly what I want. [00:12:51] Like, oh man, it’s action packed. It’s really fun. And you know, And so I, but I do think that, um, you know, the MCU [00:13:00] is a, is a rolling stone that, that has no Moss testing. It grows no Moss. It’s just continually moving building. Um, it is, it is quite literally like playing a game of Fortnite. Like they’re just like building, building, building like action all the time. [00:13:14] Like it’s always building towards something. And so I, I do think that. Some, I think people used to a traditional TV model where, you know, you have your, just your typical season of television or, or a single season, or like a limited series. I think that is its own X set of expectations. And then you have the MCU expectations and then you have the expectation of keep moving, keep moving, keep moving, keep setting up the next thing. [00:13:46] And so it’s, it’s a lot of spinning plates. I think there’s a lot of spinning plates. It’s tough. It’s I, I can’t imagine being a part of the creative brain trust of Marvel studios. Like it just seems, it [00:14:00] seems like a lot. I mean, it seems, I mean, it seems really fun. I would love to be in that, you know, that that variety should act where you’re literally spinning 5,000 plates all at one time. [00:14:09] Like that’s kind of amazing. Um, but, uh, but yeah, it’s, it seems like it’s, it’s really hard to, to kind of do that. Please all audiences or all expectations. [00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] Well, I think that’s the thing is, is trying to, and I just was really hot on the mic there. I think that’s the thing I think trying to please all the audiences has got to be really hard, especially when you are by definition, pretty much kind of going for the most broad audience thing possible. Uh, because these are as Martin scores, as you said. [00:14:38] And I, people got mad at him, but he was completely right. They are like cookie cutter. They are like a very much like assembly line, like made in like a factory. System model like they are that’s, that’s not, I don’t [00:14:50] Ashley: [00:14:50] Well, I mean, there’s a reason they’re insanely popular is because they’re, they, they work for everybody and it’s like, it’s, [00:14:56] Christina: [00:14:56] Yeah. [00:14:56] exactly. And so you need to be kind of as broad as possible. [00:14:59] That was why [00:15:00] I personally really liked one division and I also liked low-key, but especially one division, because I felt like it was not what I expected. It wasn’t as dark as Jessica Jones on Netflix. Um, but it was a lot deeper and a lot more interesting than I expected. And it, it didn’t follow. I mean, they had some of the same tropes and like the tried, but the, the finale to kind of do some of the normal Marvel stuff, but it was not the typical MCU thing at all, which is why I thought the finale was actually the weakest point of the series, but I thought it was really strong and, um, why I was glad I got nominated for so many MAs, but, um, Yeah. [00:15:39] but, but I think that that’s, um, but that’s a good point about Loki, just about the fact that, uh, The characterization. [00:15:46] Wasn’t quite what we’d come to expect. [00:15:49] Ashley: [00:15:49] Yeah. And I, I do. Okay. That’s the other thing, I think we all expected a single season, right? So we all wanted it [00:15:55] Christina: [00:15:55] actually a good point [00:15:56] Ashley: [00:15:56] wrapped up with a bow and we didn’t. We got to, now we’re getting a second [00:16:00] season. So [00:16:00] Christina: [00:16:00] getting a second season, [00:16:01] Ashley: [00:16:01] traditional TV now, so we can call locate traditional TV. It, it ended exactly as a television series should, which is on a great cliffhanger that answered a lot of questions, but didn’t like if they had [00:16:13] Christina: [00:16:13] up a whole bunch of new ones. [00:16:14] Ashley: [00:16:14] Exactly. Exactly. So I think, I thought it was very effective for what it wants to be and what it is. I think it’s very, uh, [00:16:21] Christina: [00:16:21] Oh, I agree. No, I thought I thought Loki was good. I’m definitely going to watch the second one. [00:16:25] Ashley: [00:16:25] Yeah. [00:16:25] Christina: [00:16:25] All right. All right. So this episode of overtired is brought to you by TextExpander work smarter, not harder with text expander. So TextExpander is an app that I love that Brett loves, um, that it works on all your devices and it expands short abbreviations into full text snippets. 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But at the same time, I’m muscly. Really? I want to know, uh, [00:18:31] Ashley: [00:18:31] I know. [00:18:32] Christina: [00:18:32] I think they only gave, it looks like they gave the press the first eight of Paul’s episodes, at least based, according to the reviews, Everybody seems positive. so far. Everybody’s like, cause everybody’s like cautiously optimistic. [00:18:42] They’re like, [00:18:43] Ashley: [00:18:43] You know, what other reviews came out today that are extremely positive [00:18:49] Christina: [00:18:49] That’s what I’m saying. I read them and I was like, okay. I was trying, I was even trying not to spoil myself too much. I just wanted to be like, it’s still good. Right. And they’re like, yeah. it’s still good. [00:18:58] Ashley: [00:18:58] Yeah. That’s I, that’s how I feel about, um, [00:19:00] psycho nuts too, has a bunch of previews like extended previews. And I’m like, I’m not going to read these. I can’t, I can’t, I want to be surprised next month. Like I gotta, I gotta be ready, but, um, you know, what else got really good? Uh, advanced screening reviews is the new He-Man animated series that Kevin Smith one is getting rave reviews from. [00:19:18] Literally everyone I’ve seen this morning in my timeline that reviewed it. [00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] Interesting. You know [00:19:23] Ashley: [00:19:23] it captures the heart of the original and somehow, uh, also adds stakes, which I did not think was possible, but apparently when you’re a He-Man super fan, like Kevin Smith, you can in fact do that. So, um, yeah. Pretty cool, [00:19:38] Christina: [00:19:38] I’m excited about that. And that was when the boiler wasn’t on my radar. Like I, I re I vaguely kind of remember He-Man like I had a He-Man toy that I really liked. But I, you know, it, wasn’t one of those like essential parts of my childhood. So, um, I didn’t really care one way or another, but I am glad to hear that. [00:19:57] It’s good. And he, he does [00:20:00] seem like he would be the right guy of anybody [00:20:01] Ashley: [00:20:01] Yeah. [00:20:02] Christina: [00:20:02] do it. [00:20:03] Ashley: [00:20:03] Yeah, I think so. I was a huge He-Man kid. Like I loved He-Man when I was a kid [00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] Yeah, [00:20:10] Ashley: [00:20:10] around yelling. Like I have the power, [00:20:12] Christina: [00:20:12] have. I, maybe I did. It’s just, I was so little that I, like I remember it, but it was just this, one of those things that’s kind of faded into time, I guess it’s also, it’s like transformers, you know, there are these things that were like created to sell toys and some of it like lives better in your right. [00:20:30] And sometimes it’s like, it. holds a better in your memory then, you know, actually, you know, like what. [00:20:36] Ashley: [00:20:36] Yes. Oh, it’s terrible. I mean, that’s, I think we can all agree. It’s it’s all bad, but it’s it’s, you know, but it, it, I respect it for the way it made me feel at the time. Right. Like that’s, that’s the way I choose to look back at it. [00:20:52] Christina: [00:20:52] yeah. Yeah. [00:20:53] I think, I think, um, so as I’m looking forward to that, so no, that’s interesting that people like that because people can go either way with him too, you know? [00:21:00] And, and so that, that’s the fact that you saw everybody being positive. That’s a good sign. [00:21:05] Ashley: [00:21:05] Yeah, everybody. I mean, my whole timeline this morning, just full of people. It’s this is great. It’s an excellent con continuation. Like, I mean just, yeah, lots of complimentary reviews about it. So now I’m more excited than I was, which I was like, oh, I’ll check that out. Like I was, I was interested. Um, what does that, what does that mean? [00:21:24] The Leo DiCaprio mean, uh, you know, now you have my attention, [00:21:28] Christina: [00:21:28] you have my attention, Yeah. [00:21:30] Ashley: [00:21:30] now you have my attention. So you piqued my curiosity, but now you have my attention. That’s I mean, I’m into it now. I’m going to watch it. [00:21:37] Christina: [00:21:37] Yeah, Yeah. I, um, I’ll, I, I definitely like, I’m not, I’m not going to say that I’m going to watch it, but it’s definitely higher on the prob probability that I’ll watch versus where it was before. That’s definitely [00:21:49] Ashley: [00:21:49] same, same. So, I mean, I’m, I’m gonna, I’ll check it out for [00:21:52] Christina: [00:21:52] Yeah, [00:21:52] Ashley: [00:21:52] What are you, so what are you, so we don’t have screeners. We have no screeners for anything. So what are we actually watching now? [00:22:01] [00:22:00] Christina: [00:22:01] Uh, um, I just finished physical and uh, I thought that was really good. [00:22:06] Ashley: [00:22:06] As a tough watch, but [00:22:07] Christina: [00:22:07] That was a tough watch. Yeah, it was, but it was, it was good. [00:22:09] She’s just really. [00:22:11] Ashley: [00:22:11] She really is amazing. Just amazing. Um, I’ve been watching, this is really, uh, two things. I’ve been like checking out spycraft on Netflix, which is about like the history of like spy. Every episode is dedicated to like a different aspect of espionage. And so they do like, you know, um, gadgets, they do like listening devices than they do, um, in coding, like encryption type stuff where they talk about. [00:22:41] Yeah. Like, so each episode is like a different type of, or different aspect of espionage. Um, they do like, not the femme fatale, but they’re like, oh, and then there’s like the, you know, the, the spies who use like sex to get information. And like, they’re like, it’s, it’s really fascinating and very [00:23:00] well-made. [00:23:00] Um, and then another docu series. We like ducky series in this [00:23:03] Christina: [00:23:03] I liked, yeah, I liked them too. [00:23:05] Ashley: [00:23:05] We’re watching the, uh, the Paul McCartney thing on Hulu. Um, I think it’s called 3, 2, 1 with Rick Rubin, Purdue, uh, you know, iconic producer, Rick Rubin, uh, where they go through. Uh, so a lot of the Beatles catalog, but they’re also now going through some of Paul’s catalog with wings and stuff like that. [00:23:24] Um, but they go through the songs and they are listening to like the actual, like studio masters. And he talks about like how, how they came to be, what, like little stories about them, like how the melodies came up, like where they found certain sounds really fascinating if you love music. But also, I mean, if you love the Beatles, if you love music, if you love making songs by yourself, like, I mean, it’s just really good. [00:23:48] And so well-produced, and just terribly fascinating and, and it’s so simple, like the series is all very simple. Um, but so effective, really, really good. [00:23:58] Christina: [00:23:58] that’s a really, really interesting, [00:24:00] okay. I didn’t even know this was this, this was a thing. Um, [00:24:02] Ashley: [00:24:02] out. So it just came out. It’s [00:24:04] Christina: [00:24:04] All right. Well, cause I love him. Um, who doesn’t I think if you don’t like, there’s something wrong with you, honestly. Um, but I also love Rick Rubin, so I’m excited about that. [00:24:14] Ashley: [00:24:14] It’s really, really good. I it’s. Um, and it’s, it’s multiple episodes. It’s not just like a one-hour documentary. It’s like, they go, they start with like earlier Beatles songs they go through. And like, he was talking about how they, how they came up with the idea of Sergeant pepper and like, and, uh, like on last night’s episode, they were talking about, um, being inspired by the beach boys and like pet sounds. [00:24:36] And they’re like, we heard pet sounds and we’re like, whoa, we gotta, we gotta up our game. Like, basically I was just like, oh wow, we got up our game. And then, and then they, in response to that album, they made Sergeant Pepper’s lonely hearts club band, which is like, incredible. And then that, that, that was the response. [00:24:52] Like, it’s just amazing to me. It’s just like, oh yeah, we gotta make something better. So we’re going to make like one of the most iconic albums of all time too. Like, that’s fine. [00:25:00] And then, uh, It’s just, but it was really interesting to hear him. He just said, he’s like very candid, just talking about all this stuff and he’s playing music and he’s like, he’s playing the piano. [00:25:09] And he talks about like the way the bass comes in. Like it’s, it’s really good. And so, so interesting. [00:25:16] Christina: [00:25:16] Okay. I’m excited about this now. I love him. And, and I love hearing like musicians and people talk about their craft and he’s always been pretty open about it, which is pretty cool. I always think about how terrible it is that we didn’t get to. But apparently they used to always announce, like when SNL was first on the year, they would like joke that the Beatles were going to, we’re going to perform like, oh, we, we ran out of time or whatever. [00:25:39] And, and that he and John were like watching one night and like, we’re talking to them to go, should we just go down there? we just go down to 30 rock and just show up and, and play. And, and they decided not to, but like, it. was something you’d actually considered in like 1975 or whatever. [00:25:55] Ashley: [00:25:55] Oh, wouldn’t that have been just like the best thing ever. [00:25:59] Christina: [00:25:59] I mean, it would have been [00:26:00] amazing. It, you know, um, it, it sucks that didn’t happen, but I also kind of love that. Like they, they at least thought about it. [00:26:09] Ashley: [00:26:09] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was in that position, I think I definitely think about it too. Right. [00:26:14] Christina: [00:26:14] I would hope so. I think that I would, um, uh, I don’t know. I think it depends. I think it depends, like, I think I definitely would, but I could also understand why there would be people who’d be like, yeah. You know, I’m kind of done with all this stuff. Don’t. [00:26:28] Ashley: [00:26:28] That’s fair. I mean, and it was late at that point for the Beatles. And so I could see where they would be like, no, [00:26:35] Christina: [00:26:35] I mean, I mean, they were, they were over, but I guess they were like in a good mental place. [00:26:38] Ashley: [00:26:38] There were, there were, there were, uh, talking at that point. They were did there. They were friends at [00:26:43] Christina: [00:26:43] Yeah. I was going to say, I mean, that that’s that’s that I think would probably be the most important thing is like, are we, um, like speaking to each other or not? And I was like, Yeah. we’re [00:26:51] Ashley: [00:26:51] Um, but yeah, um, that’s really what I’m watching right now. Like we’re not gonna like, look he’s over. We saw, you know, we watched black widow. That was awesome. That [00:27:00] was really good. We loved that. Um, but yeah, I just, I’ve actually been playing a lot of games, [00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] What have you been playing? Um, actually before we do that, let me segue into our next ad. And then we’ll get into games because there’s a lot of gaming news and Netflix is getting into games and steam has a weird thing and there’s all kinds of stuff, but why don’t we hear what you’re playing, but first let’s talk about notion. 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No, should not S O use the promo code over tired for $250 off your bill or teams plan. Okay. Ashley, let’s talk about Games What games, are you playing? [00:29:31] Ashley: [00:29:31] games, games, games, games, uh, I’m playing the new Skyward sword, uh, remake on switch they’ve legend of Zelda. They’re nuts, not new, the old legend of Zelda, Skyward, sword remake, uh, on switch, which is very nice. Um, and then I also just picked up, uh, it’s kind of like a twist on J RPGs called Chris tales. It’s gorgeous. [00:29:56] Um, I haven’t played a ton of it, but, uh, I [00:30:00] started it, uh, yesterday it came out yesterday, so it’s brand new and it looks, I mean, really, it looks stunning. And then, um, I also picked up death’s door. I don’t know if you’ve heard of this scale. It’s man, everyone I know who likes indie games. I really like indie games. [00:30:17] So, uh, if you love indie games, this game is about, um, You’re a CRO you work, you work in the afterlife with other crows, like as a business and you have to go collect souls, CRO collect souls, and you have to go get this one big soul and then it gets taken away. So the whole story starts, but, uh, yeah, you work with a bunch of crows in the afterlife to collect people’s souls and stuff. [00:30:42] So it’s a terribly good. And, um, I highly recommend it and I want to say right now, it’s like, it’s like 16 bucks on the Microsoft store. It’s not expensive. It’s under $20. I think it’s on sale right now, but it, but once it is not [00:31:00] on sale, it will be 20 bucks. So it’s not an expensive game. Um, I would say Skyward sword is a full $60 game. [00:31:07] Uh, so be sure you want to. Like, don’t be, I would say if you’re not a hundred percent on it, watch some Twitch streams, like, you know, make sure you want to spend your, your hard earned cash. Uh, but yeah, that’s what I’m playing right now. And then, you know, I, I’m still beating my head against the returnal, which, you know, I’m I’m good, man. [00:31:26] They really need a save feature. And I, I’m sad to say that cause I love it, but I can’t save. So, and some of these runs now because I’m in later areas are taking hours and I just don’t have the time to sit down and like really commit to a huge play session most of the time. So, and it’s like, I can’t play until late, late, late at night in return because you get sloppy and that’s when, as soon as you start making mistakes, you’re gets over. [00:31:51] Like you get one run, you get one life, one run, that’s it. So, uh, yeah, you can’t, can’t be sloppy. And um, and so yeah, return has been tough to, [00:32:00] uh, to get time with. Um, and I can’t really play until my kid goes to sleep, which is out seven at night. So once I am done eating dinner, I’m looking at a run that might take me into like, you know, midnight, one o’clock in the morning, just one run, one good run could take me, you know, three to three to four hours. [00:32:17] So, huh. Yeah. And it’s just, you know, so I’ve kind of back and forth on that. I’m playing ratchet and clank too, which is just delightful. [00:32:26] Christina: [00:32:26] So we’re trying to like, is that a design decision like that they don’t want to save system. So they just are basically like, we want to go back to old school games from like the eighties. [00:32:35] Ashley: [00:32:35] Yeah, well, it’s, it’s a combination of, of these like really tough rogue likes, um, like Hades where like you’re designed to die. Like the whole, the game is the part of the game mechanic is you’re you, you die. Like, that’s just how it is like that the world that you exist in is very difficult to survive in. [00:32:52] And like, as you die, you get better and better and better. And then, you know, at some point you have a lot of upgrades available to [00:33:00] you and then you can, you know, really kind of not burn through the game. Cause I’m still, you know, I’m dozens of hours in, and I’m still not burning through the game, but, uh, but it’s easier, right? [00:33:09] So it’s like, you can, you can pick up some, some things that make it a little bit easier. There’s an astronaut figure that allows you to like, uh, you get a second life basically. Um, and then there is a, uh, there’s a device in game that costs like a currency that you can earn called. Call the reclaimer. And that will allow you to, it’s sort of like a save point. [00:33:32] Uh, it’ll put you back if you die, it’ll put you back there, but with none of the progress that you made after you use the reclaimer. So like you kind of, and you could only use it one time. So, uh, well, that’s not true. I just don’t like spending ether, but, um, I just, uh, but yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s very punishing and, and they really want you to complete a run in a single, a single play session. [00:33:55] And then they have like, it’s a big game. Like it’s a big game. All of the areas are [00:34:00] like procedurally generated. And so there’s a, there’s an element of randomness to it. So you could be having an amazing run. And then all of a sudden, you just fall into a room that has sort of a like sub boss who just wrecks you and then you’re dead. [00:34:15] And now it’s over. Like it says, you spent like three hours playing and you, you know, you thought you were going to go get a, a bonus chest and it ended up being a boss. And it just like, you know, beats the life out of you. Cause you have the wrong gun for the wrong boss or whatever, cause you weren’t expecting it and then you die and that’s it. [00:34:30] And then you’re back to square one. [00:34:34] Christina: [00:34:34] Are you, are you going to get the steam deck? Did you? Pre-order the steam deck. [00:34:37] Ashley: [00:34:37] I did. [00:34:39] Christina: [00:34:39] Yeah. [00:34:39] Ashley: [00:34:39] why am I such a sucker Christie? [00:34:42] Christina: [00:34:42] I did too. And I don’t even know if I want one, but the FOMO is $5. We’ll see. I’m not convinced exactly. Well, I’m actually positive. It’s not going to ship when they claim it’s going to ship. So we’ll, we’ll see when it’s available. [00:34:54] Ashley: [00:34:54] Yeah. So I think they keep saying like Q1 [00:35:00] of next year, and I am very curious to see if they can hit that with all of the chip shortages. [00:35:05] Christina: [00:35:05] Yes. That’s my big question. So for anybody who hasn’t been listening, steam deck is steam. That is valves big attempt to basically be like, Hey, we have, um, we’re going to be making like a game here. [00:35:18] Ashley: [00:35:18] We made a game gear. [00:35:19] Christina: [00:35:19] P people have been calling it, the Gabe gear. [00:35:21] which I think is the perfect name. [00:35:22] Ashley: [00:35:22] That’s amazing. They should have just called it that [00:35:24] Christina: [00:35:24] I agree. I think that they’d call it the game gear that, that the name would have been significantly better to be totally honest. [00:35:29] The steam deck is just a weird name. Cause I, I can use it. The stream deck. [00:35:33] Ashley: [00:35:33] Yeah. El Gato. Must’ve seen just an insane amount of search results. SEO. On the day they announced it last week. I’m like Thursday. [00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] Totally also when they did that, uh, they N they introduced a new, um, stream deck. [00:35:49] Ashley: [00:35:49] Yeah, it was, and they had a new stream deck, a camera last Friday. It was like within like a day El Gato was in the news and So [00:35:58] Christina: [00:35:58] Right. it was, like [00:36:00] everything. [00:36:00] Ashley: [00:36:00] it was a long day for journalists who cover both items. So [00:36:04] Christina: [00:36:04] I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Like, I, I definitely like, I’m, I’m very feeling for you in [00:36:10] Ashley: [00:36:10] so many retakes on the video we made, I was like, it’s the stream deck? Steam deck. Like, it was just, you heard me yelling from inside my office. [00:36:17] Christina: [00:36:17] Yeah. [00:36:18] no, I’m excited about it. Although, like, I again, like, I’m not convinced they’re going to make the ship date at all. Cause valve time and, and everything. Um, but, but it, is interesting. I mean, it’s like a full fledged PC in a handheld. [00:36:30] Ashley: [00:36:30] yeah. So for those who have not caught up on this, the steam deck is imagine if. A lower, let’s say a mid range, like a mid range, a PC and a switch had a baby and a game gear had a baby. So it’s got the controls on the sides. They’re fixed. You can’t take them off like joy cons. They have the screen in the middle. [00:36:55] It’s a seven inch screen. Um, and then there’s some touch pads, [00:37:00] uh, that in their little square touch pads that let you, they have a standard control scheme with the analog sticks and the, and the controller buttons. And then they also have, you know, your bumpers, your triggers, they backed buttons. Um, but there’s touch pad accessibility to screens capacitive. [00:37:17] So you can use that. You can touch, just touch the screen, uh, and you’ll have access to your whole steam library, which is cool. Uh, but in the developer interviews, IGN got an exclusive on it. There was a, a moment where they basically said, you know, this is a computer and it runs on steam iOS, but if you wanted to. [00:37:38] You know, uh, sensibly erased, you could format the entire thing and install windows on it. Like if you wanted to. [00:37:45] Christina: [00:37:45] It is cool that you can install like windows and stuff on it and use it as kind of a full machine, which is not typically how these types of things work. [00:37:55] Ashley: [00:37:55] Yeah. Yeah. It’s a, usually it’s a, you know, it’s a locked in walled [00:38:00] garden, you know? No, no, no, no. Installing any third-party software. We don’t want anybody messing with our stuff, but I mean, you know, steam is all about, they’re all. We want you to have freedom when you be able to, there are games like, apparently that just aren’t going to work on it. [00:38:13] So I know I saw like apex is one of the games. That’s like, no, we’re not going to, we’re not going to be doing that. So very curious if, um, if this thing sells like hotcakes, uh, which, you know, based on the pre-orders, it is only a $5 deposit, you [00:38:31] Christina: [00:38:31] Yeah, that’s [00:38:33] Ashley: [00:38:33] how many people are going to order one. [00:38:35] Christina: [00:38:35] Yeah. that’s, that’s the interesting question. And then The pre-order process was kind of crappy, like their servers crashed and, and, and that was a whole thing. And, and I did think the $5 deposit thing was smart because it in theory would prevent scalpers from getting in on it. Um, uh, at least for the first few days after they opened it up to everyone, all you need to do is open up endless numbers of steam accounts, add money to a steam wallet, [00:39:00] and you can, you know, pre-order it to your heart’s content. [00:39:02] But, um, but that still takes a little more time, but I did think that that [00:39:06] Ashley: [00:39:06] and they have that gate on, um, on, you know, they said you had to have a steam account created before, [00:39:11] Christina: [00:39:11] Right. Would, that was for the first, that was for the first couple of days. And then I think after that, they were like, it doesn’t matter how old your account [00:39:17] Ashley: [00:39:17] Yeah. It was two days. I think it was like first 48 hours. [00:39:20] Christina: [00:39:20] Right. Which was smart. Yeah. So hopefully, you know, the people who actually want one can get one, it’s just gonna be a matter of when are they going to actually put it out or not. [00:39:28] But Yeah. like you, I did, I did put the $5 down. We’ll we’ll See, I hate myself already because I don’t play enough games honestly, to justify it. And I have a gaming PC and have a PS five and I have an Xbox series X [00:39:40] Ashley: [00:39:40] See, that’s where I’m at. [00:39:41] Christina: [00:39:41] and I’m like, I don’t, I [00:39:42] Ashley: [00:39:42] need another thing? [00:39:43] Christina: [00:39:43] don’t, I don’t but I know. I don’t But so, so for me, I’m kind of like, all right, I put my $5 down. [00:39:50] I have my reservation. If by the time I get my like, Hey, do. [00:39:55] you want to buy this thing? That might be one I’m like, actually, you know what, I’m a say, no, [00:40:00] [00:40:00] Ashley: [00:40:00] Yeah. Yeah. I, I think, I mean, obviously part of my pre-ordering is because, you know, for work, but, but also, I mean, personally, like I don’t, I guess it would be nice if you could do like G-Force now on it or like stadia, like that seems like a thing game pass. [00:40:22] Christina: [00:40:22] would love game pass on it because then it’s like, oh, hell Yeah. Like portable. [00:40:25] Ashley: [00:40:25] it’s a switch for your X-Box. [00:40:28] Christina: [00:40:28] I would be I would be down with that, [00:40:31] Ashley: [00:40:31] Yeah. Like that seems cool. Like, I like that. And it’s like, well, if I went to CES, I could have the steam deck and then play halo, halo, infinite from my hotel room and play it, you know, online and like not have any. And it would look amazing like that I’m into like, I’m really into that. [00:40:47] So it’ll, it remains to be seen whether or not who supports this thing. Who’s, who’s going to jump all in on, you know, their software, their games, their app stores, uh, and who, [00:41:00] uh, who else is going to be like, we’re not going to go out of our way, but if you wanted to install stuff and see if it worked, that’s not our problem. [00:41:08] Christina: [00:41:08] Right, right. Yeah. Um, and we haven’t really, I mean, we’ve seen they’ve, they’ve attempted hardware before and it’s failed, you know, um, [00:41:16] Ashley: [00:41:16] Pretty spectacularly. Yeah. Steam machines, steam link. Uh, I mean [00:41:21] Christina: [00:41:21] controller. [00:41:23] Ashley: [00:41:23] yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Pretty pretty, not great. And there are the Google of hardware. I feel like it’s like every time they come out with something and everyone’s like, oh yeah. Okay. This is cool. And then like, Google, Google always does this. [00:41:36] They were like, oh, Hey. Yeah. About that. We’re actually just going to stop supporting it now because this was an experiment and nobody wants it actually. And so we’re just gonna, we’re just gonna end of life at, sorry, everyone. Who’s actually still using it, like are bad. Um, [00:41:51] Christina: [00:41:51] are you at the steam machines launch at CES? [00:41:53] Ashley: [00:41:53] I was not. [00:41:54] Christina: [00:41:54] They had this amazing rooftop party in Vegas. That’s like my big memory of that, that they had like big [00:42:00] ice sculptures and stuff. And it was very fancy. And I was like, cool. You know, like they’re really committed to this. And they were showing us kind of prototypes and this and that, but they were also being real cagey about price and about other stuff. [00:42:10] And, and there was like this feeling in the back of my mind where I was like, this doesn’t quite seem. Together. But then I was like, but it’s spelled, you know, this is before we saw that they, this was the first foray into this. And so we didn’t really know what to trust or distrust. And I will admit I was, I was skeptical, but I was also like, Wow. [00:42:30] It was a good party. That was, that was really my big takeaway to be totally honest. Is I [00:42:34] Ashley: [00:42:34] love a good CS, like fancy CS. Um, I mean, C, C net throws legendary parties every year at CES. We had like, I think the first year it was right before I got hired the first year they had a party, it was, um, I think it was Jane’s addiction. Uh, and then we’ve had like Snoop and Beck and [00:43:00] lashed, uh, the last physical CES I attended. [00:43:03] So not this one with the one before it, um, was Janell Monae, [00:43:07] Christina: [00:43:07] Oh, wow. [00:43:08] Ashley: [00:43:08] uh, which she was just, oh my God. I was like almost crying. It was a religious experience. Um, and then, I mean, we’ve had like some really amazing artists. So we’ve had blink 180 2 at a bowling alley and like, um, was it what’s it blink? No. Was it somebody else? [00:43:26] No, I think it was, yes. I think it was blink 180 2. I feel, I I’m pretty sure. Cause Lenny Kravitz was scheduled to like play and then all of a sudden, like two days before, or like the day before, I don’t know, it was like very shortly beforehand. Um, Lenny got quote unquote sick and TMZ had pictures of him on a beach in Hawaii. [00:43:48] Like, so we had to replace him like very quickly. And so it was like, I think I want to say that was the year blink 180 2 played. But I remember, I think I was sick that year. Like something I [00:44:00] had like, you know, maybe I had CES flu or something like that. [00:44:03] Christina: [00:44:03] a real. [00:44:04] Ashley: [00:44:04] Yeah. Oh, it’s real. Um, and uh, people think that COVID started, it started at CES. [00:44:10] I got a guarantee that [00:44:11] Christina: [00:44:11] I mean, like, I’m not [00:44:12] Ashley: [00:44:12] phone’s OCS or a Petri dish. [00:44:15] Christina: [00:44:15] It was like, I’m not going to say that it didn’t start there. Right. Like, I know that it didn’t, but I’m not going to say, I mean, [00:44:19] Ashley: [00:44:19] Are we sure? Are we sure. [00:44:23] Christina: [00:44:23] I, yeah, when I used to do CES and NAB, both of them [00:44:26] Ashley: [00:44:26] Oh brutal. I’m sorry. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] I know, I know was way too much time at the Vegas convention center, honestly. [00:44:32] Um, like I [00:44:33] Ashley: [00:44:33] all year. That’s basically. [00:44:35] Christina: [00:44:35] basically. [00:44:35] and, and also it just means you’ve been like in that area just way too much for any single person. [00:44:42] Ashley: [00:44:42] It’s just, you know, I think the mistake a lot of people make when they go to CES for the first time is they don’t think about how many people are touching the things they’re also touching. [00:44:51] Christina: [00:44:51] Hm. [00:44:53] Ashley: [00:44:53] And so it ends up being like, so the first year I went to us, I got so sick, like [00:45:00] so sick. And I just didn’t, it just didn’t occur to me that the phone that I was handling had probably been handled by 10,000 other people in the last day. [00:45:09] Christina: [00:45:09] right. People who don’t have great hygiene always. Right. Like, [00:45:14] Ashley: [00:45:14] and then it’s like, you know, you’re going from appointment to appointment. So it’s like, unless you’re going to the bathroom, you don’t think about like, oh, I need to go out of my way to wash my. Um, and so then I, then I started the next year I had thought about it and I was like, okay, I need to have an action plan. [00:45:31] Christina: [00:45:31] okay. [00:45:32] Ashley: [00:45:32] I have to have a germ action plan. And actually I have found this is the best way to protect yourself at conventions like that. I mean, if you want to wear masks and stuff, that’s a whole other thing, but, um, just set a timer, set a reminder on your phone every hour and just go wash your hands for 30 seconds every hour. [00:45:53] Christina: [00:45:53] See, that’s brilliant. That also gives you like every hour you get like a little [00:45:57] Ashley: [00:45:57] Just get out. Yeah. Just get out. Take a [00:46:00] second. Wash your hands. Just take a second. Cause the thing is, is you don’t realize how many times a day you touch your face. That’s that’s the big thing. It’s like, you know, you touch all those gross phones and tablets [00:46:10] Christina: [00:46:10] and then yeah. And [00:46:11] Ashley: [00:46:11] touch your face. [00:46:12] Christina: [00:46:12] exactly. Yeah, no, that’s a great point. All right. 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And here’s why, so, um, interestingly, yeah, enough, I came back from maternity leave in November of 2019 after I had my son, I feel like I have been in lockdown for like over two years [00:48:15] Christina: [00:48:15] Right, because you were like, [00:48:16] Ashley: [00:48:16] kid at the end of June in 2019, did not leave my house for really any extended period of time. [00:48:23] Like in that four months after, and then the holidays came, which we stayed home. We were like, I think we, the kid had gotten a cold at daycare or something, so we stayed home. And then, and then literally he was in daycare full-time for two months, like not even two months. And then, um, he had a really high fever one day and we were like, oh gosh, like, okay, well I’ll bring him home. [00:48:46] And his fever was really high for a couple of days. Then it was really low for a few days. And I think, yeah, turned out he had like a really nasty ear infection in both ears. [00:48:56] Christina: [00:48:56] Oh, no. [00:48:57] Ashley: [00:48:57] Um, I made the mistake of, we didn’t [00:49:00] really know this. Like, there are some things you just don’t get taught when you have a new kid, like even in the classes and stuff, like they don’t teach you to not lay them flat when you feed them. [00:49:10] Like they have to be elevated a little bit. Otherwise, like we, we don’t get ear infections as adults because we, our vertical gravity pulls our ear tubes down. And so we don’t get ear infections most of the time because of that. But babies, uh, don’t stand up obviously. And so when, before they’re walking, they tend to have more ear infections because of that, because the gravity’s not pulling their tubes down. [00:49:37] Christina: [00:49:37] interesting. [00:49:38] Ashley: [00:49:38] So when you feed them like completely flat or whore, like horizontal. That liquid in there, you know, sinus cavity and everything. It’s just not draining properly or whatever that is. Maybe it’s like the suction. I’m not a hundred block. I’m not a doctor. I don’t know. I don’t even pretend to be able to describe exactly what happens. [00:49:57] But our pediatrician said basically [00:50:00] because you’re feeding him a flat, he’s laying flat. He’s, he’s more prone to ear infections. That way you got to like elevate him when you feed him. So, but he had an, he had a couple of ear infections, but then we got really sick and like we had, and that was in late February, early March. [00:50:18] I want to say it was like March 11th. It was like, or the week before we went into like a lockdown in California and we didn’t really even consider the fact that we might’ve had COVID. I had a cough for a while for like weeks after. And, uh, Jimmy had a whole bunch of, and it was weird too, because. When we took Wolfie to the pediatrician, she’s like, I would bet anything. [00:50:43] He has the flu, he has all the symptoms and she swapped him. They did a nose swab for the flu and she was like, huh, that’s so weird. He doesn’t have the flu. He’s negative for the flu. I don’t know what the, maybe it’s, [00:51:00] uh, maybe there’s something else going on at the time. There were just, no, there were no tests [00:51:04] Christina: [00:51:04] Right, [00:51:05] Ashley: [00:51:05] or no COVID tests, especially not for babies. [00:51:07] Christina: [00:51:07] Absolutely. [00:51:08] Ashley: [00:51:08] So we think it’s possible that maybe we got COVID like at the beginning of the pandemic. Uh, but if, if we didn’t, uh, then if we did not get it at the beginning, we have not contracted it since. [00:51:27] Christina: [00:51:27] Yeah, I’m in kind of a similar thing where I think that there’s, I feel like, I feel like grant, my husband might have had it because he had like the no nose taste thing. And he had like a pretty bad sick thing. And I came back from I’d been overseas. Um, I had two overseas trips, um, and, uh, I was in South Africa at the end of January. [00:51:48] And then I was in Australia and South Korea and Singapore in February. Um, and so, so, um, [00:51:57] Ashley: [00:51:57] Christina. For kicking off the pandemic you [00:52:00] [00:51:59] Christina: [00:51:59] exactly. Basically. Yeah. I was supposed to be in Zurich at like the first week of March and I was about to go to the airport and then they canceled and. [00:52:07] Ashley: [00:52:07] no. [00:52:08] Christina: [00:52:08] Well, and I was annoyed because I was going to go to London for the weekend. [00:52:10] First I was going to see Sarah Pirellis on the west end and waitress like her like final performance run and my friend and this his fault, he was the one who like, commits me. He was like, oh, just, just come early for the weekend. And it was actually going to be cheaper for me to fly to London and fly to Zurich and then fly back. [00:52:26] And He was the one who told me that the, the Zurich trip had been canceled. I was about to leave for the airport. I’m like, you’re an idiot. If you hadn’t told me this, I wouldn’t have realized until I was already at the airport, at which point I would have just flown to, I still would have flown to London. [00:52:40] Like at that point I’ve already checked in I’m in the lounge. Like, what do you want me to do? [00:52:44] Ashley: [00:52:44] Oh my [00:52:45] Christina: [00:52:45] You know what I mean? So I would have just gone to London and I would have been I would have been great, but because he told me I had to do the responsible thing and canceled my trip. He was a goat. Just, just, he was like, just go anyway. [00:52:54] I’m like, it’s like $5,000. Shoot. I’m not, I’m not doing that. Like if the company wants to pay it [00:53:00] cool. but like, I’m not, I’m not, [00:53:01] Ashley: [00:53:01] yeah, you don’t want to take that. [00:53:02] Christina: [00:53:02] I’m not paying that. Like I know. [00:53:05] Ashley: [00:53:05] You want to take that risk. [00:53:06] Christina: [00:53:06] No. Absolutely. So, um, I wasn’t even worried about getting sick. I was just like, you know, I was at a concert, uh, the day before they shut down New York city. [00:53:16] So, uh, that, that shows how, how seriously I was taking everything. Um, but, uh, but, but grant was Like I had a cold, I had like a runny nose, but I didn’t have a cough really. [00:53:28] Ashley: [00:53:28] symptoms with a capital S [00:53:30] Christina: [00:53:30] yeah. Except, I mean, I had a runny nose. I had a Colt, like, it didn’t feel like anything else. So if I did, it was minor, I think he might have, he didn’t get tested against the same thing as like, we didn’t have tests. [00:53:41] We didn’t know a whole lot of the stuff. So [00:53:43] Ashley: [00:53:43] even have known where to go to get a test. Like, I, it was just, well, yeah, we just were kind of like, oh yeah, there’s just this thing. That’s happening somewhere else. And then all of a sudden, like two days later, they’re just like, Hey everybody, we’re locking it down. And everybody go work from home indefinitely. [00:53:59] Christina: [00:53:59] so before we close [00:54:00] out, like they they’ve shut down LA again. [00:54:02] Ashley: [00:54:02] So we have, it’s not shut down. Um, everything’s still open. It’s just regardless of vaccination status in Los Angeles county, you should be masked when you’re indoors. So, um, outdoors is fine. Like there, I think, I think most of the data is pretty clear that it is very difficult to have outbreaks or transmission outdoors. [00:54:22] If you’re not literally just like yelling at each other’s faces for 15 minutes, like there are very rare instances of like true large outbreaks in, uh, non crowded outdoor settings. So it’s like, you know, if you go to the playground and there’s like one other kid there, as long as they’re not screaming at each other’s faces or licking each other, uh, it’s probably fine, but, you know, Hey, sometimes that happens. [00:54:44] So, um, but yeah, I think so. I it’s indoors is like the big one and they’re trying to stop the Delta variant, uh, which has sky we were doing so well in June. And then all of a sudden [00:54:55] Christina: [00:54:55] so well in June and then the Delta head and then it is bad. And [00:55:00] hopefully, I don’t know. My. [00:55:00] Ashley: [00:55:00] Please get vaccinated. [00:55:02] Christina: [00:55:02] That’s my whole thing. You get docs needed. Like anybody, like you keep hearing about like these young people who are about to be intubated and then lately like ask they’re like, can I get, can I get vaccinated? [00:55:10] And they’re like, it’s too late. [00:55:12] Ashley: [00:55:12] saw that article this morning too. [00:55:13] Christina: [00:55:13] yeah, yeah, yeah. I was saying like, I saw that this morning and I was like, oh man, but also get [00:55:18] Ashley: [00:55:18] if you’re not sure, look, if you’re listening and you’re not sure. Okay. Which is like, I know I have family members who are still like, I don’t know. I’m going to wait and see, just talk to your doctor. Like don’t, don’t talk to, don’t talk to YouTube or Facebook friends. Like that’s not, or doctors on Facebook or YouTube. [00:55:38] Cause here’s the thing. Like those people are in it for clout. Like they’re, they’re doing it for engagement. Like I don’t, you know, Dr. Phil doesn’t do this because he’s a medical doctor doing things out of the goodness of his heart. Like [00:55:51] Christina: [00:55:51] no. he’s getting paid. [00:55:53] Ashley: [00:55:53] Yeah, he’s, he’s making a ton of money off of the fact that people out share outrageous things, whether they’re [00:56:00] outrageously good or bad, it doesn’t matter. [00:56:01] So, um, and very similar, like the internet is built on outrage culture. So maybe just like turn the internet off, make an appointment at your doctor’s office. And if you’re, if you’re not sure, just like ask your doctor all the questions that you have. Like that, that to me is like, you know, no one should, she didn’t do it, but you should definitely like talk to somebody you trust us. [00:56:24] You know, if your doctor says, you know what, it’s not a good idea for you. You have you’re immuno-compromised blah, blah, then, then don’t get it that then that’s fine. But like, you know, talk to your doctor, ask all the real questions that you have, have like, you know, ask all the real questions. [00:56:38] Christina: [00:56:38] Yeah, no, I agree with that Um, ask the real questions, but also at this point, like, uh, there was a great piece, I think, from Matthew Iglesias on his newsletter, his sub stack or whatever, where he was talking about things that we could do to get people to have more vaccines. And one of them is the FDA could just. [00:56:53] Prove it, and, [00:56:54] Ashley: [00:56:54] would be nice. [00:56:55] Christina: [00:56:55] I don’t think that that would prevent people who like, cause look, I think people who haven’t been [00:57:00] vaccinated already, I don’t think that FDA approval will go any further for that. Here’s what it will do. It can then enforce businesses and places to like, make people be vaccinated. If it’s FDA approved, it can also open up the door for more testing for people under 12. [00:57:15] So there are like a lot of things that could happen where I don’t think that like the people who were like in the stall where like I’m not putting this in my body camp. I don’t think that that would change it. I don’t think they’re going to be like, oh, the government says it’s safe. I believe it. right. [00:57:27] Cause I think they’re already, like, I don’t believe it, but if the, if the FDA has approved it. then there are other things that can happen. And I’m at this point, I’m, I’m all about like, And I’m, I’m a pretty strong, like first minute person. But, uh, and I get that this could be like freedom of religion or whatever, but this is a public health crisis and I’m pretty strongly being like, okay, for certain activities and whatnot, you need to, unless there is absolutely like a, a health reason why you can’t be vaccinated [00:57:56] Ashley: [00:57:56] mandate it. [00:57:56] Christina: [00:57:56] you ha it, you have to have it, like, if you want to do certain [00:58:00] activities. [00:58:00] Ashley: [00:58:00] we, we all have small pie. We, if you went to a public school and you’re our age, you you’ve had vaccines, you’ve had them. So I, again, like, I think you’re right in that, like the FDA could approve it and at least like legitimize the safety of it a little bit more for anybody who might be on the fence of being like, well, I’m waiting for that FDA approval. [00:58:20] Um, that’s fine. Like whatever, but you know, schools mandating it for kids over the age of 12. It’s like, You send your kid to public school is a public health crisis. [00:58:33] Christina: [00:58:33] exactly. [00:58:34] Ashley: [00:58:34] gotta, you have to just then decide like, this is not a situation where you get to sort of pick and choose and be like, well, you know, I don’t want my kid to be exposed. [00:58:43] You know, I’m not going to get them the smallpox vaccine because I don’t smallpox. Isn’t prevalent anymore. It’s like, no, no. There’s a reason for that. Like, this is the reason, the reason is the vaccine. [00:58:51] Christina: [00:58:51] It’s like, why do, why do you think measles and other things have like made these comebacks because people won’t vaccinate their fucking children. [00:58:57] Ashley: [00:58:57] won’t vaccinate their kids, man. And it’s like with public schools though, [00:59:00] it’s like, you have to, so you got to show proof of MMR and all this other stuff. [00:59:03] And I think California really kind of clamped down. There was a while where we kind of were sort of really Willy nilly about [00:59:11] Christina: [00:59:11] Yeah. I was going to say, yeah, I was going to say, I knew it’d be enforcement in [00:59:14] Ashley: [00:59:14] It was like very easy to get an exemption. And now it’s actually quite difficult. [00:59:18] Christina: [00:59:18] Well, that’s good. So, Yeah, [00:59:19] so I agree. And, but also, I mean, I think it would help employers too, right? Because I, you know, we had this thing like at, at Microsoft where, um, it’s completely voluntary and you don’t have to upload proof or anything, but you can sell the test if you’ve had the vaccine or not. [00:59:34] And if you’ve done that, then you don’t have to wear a mask indoors. Um, you do still have to take a health check every day before you enter the office. Like every single day before you enter the office. And It’s funny, like if you don’t you and you swipe your card in, like you get like a nasty email that like, is like, if you do not take this self test thing within 30 minutes, then you know, we will. [00:59:55] Like, if you, if you do it more than once, like they will revoke your card access. Like it can go all the way up to like, [01:00:00] like, it can be a real problem. So you still have to do that regardless, but you, you can do this thing where if you voluntarily like self attest, I’ve had the vaccine, then you don’t have to wear a mask and doors, which is great. [01:00:12] But I would be, I bet a lot more people were comfortable. Like I’m comfortable going in now. And, and it’s, it’s open and whatnot. And I don’t, I, I’m not worried. Um, I also don’t live with anybody who’s immunocompromised and I don’t have like children. So it’s, I’m in a different situation, but I would, I bet a lot of people will be way more comfortable if they’re like yeah. [01:00:30] The only people who were able to enter the office are people who’ve been vaccinated. Like, yeah. I’m, I’m, I’m good with that. [01:00:38] Ashley: [01:00:38] I like, I think I’d read this morning and this is the last thing I’ll say on it is like I had read this morning, somebody who had tweeted, if I’m wrong, all I have done is harmed myself. Right? Like I’ve just heard myself, right? It’s like, if I’m wrong in the vaccines are harmful or whatever, then I’ve just heard myself. [01:00:58] But if you’re wrong [01:01:00] person who, you know, refuses to get the vaccine, like you’re potentially responsible for hurting a lot more people. Like the potential there for harm is very high. And I think the one big thing that I wish we would do in LA, like this sort of yo-yoing back and forth between like masks, no masks, whatever. [01:01:18] Look, just do an outreach program where we put signs in towns, as you drive around, like near, near major parts of city centers that say when LA county reaches 85% vaccinate. Mask mandates or mask indoor mask mandates are lifted. Right? So it’s like, that’s it. And then you just, and then you can list, you can even on the sign, just say, go to city dot, you know, Los angeles.com or whatever the website is, or a QR code, or what have you that takes you directly to book a vaccine as a site. [01:01:49] That’s like, here’s your local vaccination places. Um, make it easy for people and also give them a visual to see like, oh man, like our city is so close to that [01:02:00] 85% threshold. Like let’s encourage people. We know locally, like this last bit of like percentages of people. There’s always going to be a percentage who doesn’t or can’t be vaccinated. [01:02:10] That’s fine. But there’s an encouragement on a local level that we just don’t really have. Um, I think at its most micro it’s on the county level, but it would be really nice on a city level to see like, oh man, like I didn’t realize that six, only 60% of people in our city are vaccinated. Like, gosh, that’s a lot lower than I thought. [01:02:35] Um, maybe I’ll maybe I’ll ask some fail, you know, some from neighbors or maybe I’ll get involved. Like I do think that there is something to be said for visually showing people like what their local community is doing. Um, and, and giving people the ability to see that and say, oh gosh, like, wow, that’s really low. [01:02:54] Maybe I’m going to rethink it. Um, maybe I’m going to go get it now. Like, or, or maybe okay. It’s time. I [01:03:00] I’ve decided I’m going to go get it. And I want to be part of that, you know, 85%. Cause I don’t want to wear a mask anymore and you know, Or I don’t want any more restrictions. So I just want to be part of that 85% just book the stupid appointment and get it over with, like, there are people like that out there. [01:03:15] And so I do think a visual would be incredibly helpful and also a baseline like LA county keeps saying like, well, it’s a percentage of people in the hospitals and how many new cases we have. And also it’s just like, no, like just, just set one number. Like it, just that one number, just like look, 85% of Los Angeles needs to be back. [01:03:34] Say it, period. That’s it. [01:03:36] Christina: [01:03:36] Yeah, no, I agree with you, Seattle, um, is, uh, at a 75.3% people fully vaccinated in king county. And, um, and they’ve done a good job and, and we had like the largest community, uh, run like max vaccination site, um, in the country and my volunteer there a couple of times. And I was, I was glad to do that. Uh they’ve since shut down the really [01:04:00] huge side of me, but they still have other, you know, sites open, but I agree with you, like, I think make it. [01:04:03] easy to do. Yeah, Yeah. So. [01:04:07] Ashley: [01:04:07] it’s all of the rest of it. I had read is like really on a local level with trusted members of the community participating. So it’s like churches, um, helping their, uh, you know, helping their flock, get vaccinated. It’s, uh, groups of people who meet, um, who might, you know, have a trusted leader in them or among them that can help them get their questions answered. [01:04:33] Uh, and do vaccine drives things like that are supposedly, you know, really helpful. I mean, in LA county, we haven’t even hit 70%. It’s 60, 69 0.9%. We’re very close to 70. Um, but, uh, yeah, exactly. Um, but yeah. [01:04:48] Christina: [01:04:48] I had to make the joke. [01:04:49] Ashley: [01:04:49] We only have 62% fully vaccinated right now in LA county. And that’s a bummer. [01:04:53] Christina: [01:04:53] That is a bummer. [01:04:54] Ashley: [01:04:54] a lot better than that. [01:04:55] And, um, but it’s about outreach. I mean, to me, it’s about outreach and it’s about, it’s [01:05:00] about allaying. People’s genuine concerns, right? Like that’s irrational stuff aside. Like that’s a whole other thing, but like there are people out there with genuine concerns. Like I know a lot of members of the black community have said I’ve seen, and I know the history of, you know, this, our own government has done things that are unethical to our community. [01:05:26] And so, no, I don’t, I, I’m not, I’m waiting, like I need more information. And like, I think that that is appropriate and that’s completely understandable. Like I’m not in that position, but I understand it. And so to me, it’s like, We should be out there or the medical community really should be out there, like going out of their way to answer people’s questions and, and cause they’ve, there are people who have genuine concerns and it’s just like, okay, well let’s, you know, you can’t just trust the CDC to like give the information or Dr. [01:05:55] Fowchee or whatever. It’s like, no, like this needs to be people they trust like trusted [01:06:00] people. They know that they see regularly their doctors, you know, they’re pastors, they’re, uh, you know, all these people that they see on a regular basis, like there are people who could give them better answers, um, to allay their concerns, their, their genuine and honest concerns. [01:06:18] Christina: [01:06:18] Agreed. [01:06:19] Ashley: [01:06:19] Should we shut up now? This is a long podcast. [01:06:21] Christina: [01:06:21] been long, but no, it’s been really good. I love talking to you as always Ashley, where can people find you online? [01:06:26] Ashley: [01:06:26] Oh, you know, I’m just a woman about the internet. You can come find me on Twitter. I’m at my I’m at my name on Twitter med Ashley’s. [01:06:33] Christina: [01:06:33] Ashley has got it on Twitter. Um, and, uh, you can, um, talk to her about games and, uh, uh, various tomfoolery entertainment, culture, or tech, all kinds of great stuff. Your Twitter is amazing. Thank you [01:06:45] Ashley: [01:06:45] you for that. So the highest compliment [01:06:47] Christina: [01:06:47] No, I love your Twitter so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for taking time out of your morning. And, um, despite being just like horrendously over tired for talking with me and filling in for Brett, we uh, we miss you Brett, but it’s all, it’s great to [01:07:00] [01:07:00] Ashley: [01:07:00] better. Brett, [01:07:01] Christina: [01:07:01] feel better. Brett, but [01:07:02] Ashley: [01:07:02] you to feel better. [01:07:03] Christina: [01:07:03] we do, but I’m also always secretly really glad to talk to you. So [01:07:08] Ashley: [01:07:08] I’m not even secret openly [01:07:10] Christina: [01:07:10] I’m like openly, just like excited to talk to you [01:07:12] Ashley: [01:07:12] and wantonly. Excited to talk to you. [01:07:15] Christina: [01:07:15] Yes. All right. All right. Well get some sleep, Ashley. [01:07:17] Ashley: [01:07:17] Thanks, bye. [01:07:19] Christina: [01:07:19] Bye.

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You’re downloading today’s show from CacheFly’s network BackBeat Media Podcast Network Check out more episodes at overtiredpod.com and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app. Find Brett as @ttscoff and Christina as @film_girl, and follow Overtired at @ovrtrd on Twitter. Transcript Overtired 245 Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you? [00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I am. I am good at for those, uh, for those tuning in for the first time we have a wild ride in store for you, uh, for our regular listeners. This is just going to be, you know, another week, but we’re winging it. We’re winging it. [00:00:26] Christina: [00:00:26] We’re winging it. No, you have a lot of lists of, of suffers to talk about. We’re not totally winging it. Like we’ve got stuff that we need to talk about. Um, the Emmy’s, uh, nominations just came out and. [00:00:36] Brett: [00:00:36] still happening? [00:00:38] Christina: [00:00:38] It is still happening? [00:00:39] and they’re going to be in person again, I’m guessing. And, but the Emmy nominations came out yesterday, but which actually fits in quite nicely because you have a bunch of TV shows on your list, but first, uh, let’s get a breadth mental health corner update. [00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] This depression has really stuck around like it’s it’s. This is, it’s [00:01:00] been over a week now, which is unusual for me in my more recent history. Like it used to like two weeks was just expected, but lately with like almost zero manic days and then just light depressions going on for more than a week is kind of a, it’s kind of a unusual. [00:01:18]Christina: [00:01:18] Yeah, that sucks. I’m really sorry to hear that. So, and, and it’s. For a week though, hasn’t it? Cause when we talked last week, it seemed like it had been a week. So [00:01:27] Brett: [00:01:27] it is. No, I don’t think it had been a whole week last week. I think, let me do some math in my head. I think I started feeling shitty around. Yeah. Yeah, right around the six or seven. So, so I think last time we talked, I was just starting to feel depressed. And now, now I’m like a seasoned professional. [00:01:51] I’ve been doing this for over a week and it’s weird. Like I’m. I’m not down. Like, I, I don’t hate myself. [00:02:00] The world doesn’t look dark. I’m actually pretty excited about a lot of things. And like, I, I wake up every morning with like ideas and, and like, I’ll make forward motion on work projects in my sleep, because I’ll be like super productive in my dream. [00:02:17] And then the day will start and all of my motivation just gets sucked out. And I just, I just stare at the screen and I mean, I’m getting shit done. Like I w it’s it’s, it’s typical ADHD thing where if there’s a deadline and there’s a little bit of pressure, I’m gold, like I’ll get there. No problem. Uh, as far as like anything else, especially creative pursuits, I’m just kind of I’m listless. [00:02:44] Christina: [00:02:44] years listless. Yeah. No, I feel that. That’s so true about the ADHD thing. And it’s hard for me sometimes to describe that the people who aren’t ADHD, because I’m like, no, I need a deadline, even if it’s arbitrary, because that’s the only way I can get this done. Like I had a meeting with someone. A [00:03:00] couple of weeks ago. And they were in the past side, I’d had a project that I worked on with them, with an Inn. Um, and I Totally. [00:03:06] understand why they were frustrated because, um, we wouldn’t start on time. And the reason we wouldn’t start on time is because I knew I could push and they were okay with pushing and like, they didn’t ever tell me, like, we need to do this. [00:03:17] And then I went and I started working on a similar project with another team and I was like, Hey, look, I had my stuff together. Like I hit that deadline. They’re like, Well, why was that different? I was like, Because there was a very clear deadline and I know that this is a you problem and not a me problem, but you have to like, hold me accountable because if I know that I can push, I will like, even if I’m ready, it’s just one of those things. it’s like, I don’t have the motivation to ensure that it’s there. If I know that I can wiggle, and I know that that’s like a selfish and a totally shitty and like awful [00:03:51] Brett: [00:03:51] but it’s just it’s reality. Like people, people ask me, like, I work with someone who’s ADHD, how do I get them to do their job? And [00:04:00] I’m like, just set deadline. You can tell them I’m setting this deadline just to help you. It can be arbitrary. [00:04:07] Christina: [00:04:07] Totally. [00:04:08] Brett: [00:04:08] be totally transparent. You don’t have to fake emergencies or anything. [00:04:11] You just have to say, I need this by this time. Can you get it done? And it will get done. [00:04:19] Christina: [00:04:19] Right, right. Yeah. That’s what I need. I’m one of, it’s one of those things where I’m just like, yeah, no, I need this too. I need to have this, this thing, you know? Um, because if it’s just up in the air, it’s never going to be the priority. [00:04:31] Brett: [00:04:31] Yes. I feel like anyone, anyone entering a management position should get like, just a brief how to work with ADHD employees. Cause it’s, it’s not, it’s not terribly difficult. You just have to understand that things are a little bit different. [00:04:47]Christina: [00:04:47] Yeah. Yeah, it’s totally one of those things, so, okay. So you’re a little depressed, um, but you’re getting, at least you’re able to get your, some of your work stuff done. Like even I’m not the creative pursuits. Cause I know that that was something you were worried about when you [00:05:00] took the new job, uh, in the back of your mind, you were worried about like, Okay. [00:05:03] well what happens when I get oppressed or what happens if I’m manic? [00:05:06] Like how am I going to be able to function. So I’m really heartened to hear that at least like you’re getting stuff done. Maybe you’re not as productive as you would want to be, but you’re able to get stuffed. [00:05:16] Brett: [00:05:16] Yeah. Yeah, I have, uh, our big, um, so our first big event since I started is the red bull. Machine learning lab. It’s like a hackathon almost for, uh, working with 50 years of F1 racing data, uh, red bull racing team. I should, I know I’ve said it before, but, um, and, and so I’m still in charge of writing. Writing the lab. [00:05:48] And as of this moment, I still have not been able to run it. Um, I just, they just refactored. Do you, have you ever worked with tariffs? [00:05:57] Christina: [00:05:57] I sure have. [00:05:59] Brett: [00:05:59] They [00:06:00] just refactored all of the Terraform scripts that I spent hours wrestling with and they’re supposed to work now. So I gave it a test run and it didn’t work. So right after this recording, I will be back on the phone with the Terraform experts, trying to figure out what, what is, what is up. [00:06:19] Christina: [00:06:19] No, that’s always the challenge. Like I liked Terraform align for our listeners. If they’re not familiar, Terraform is a language, basically. It’s kind of like Ansible, but it’s, it’s more language centric. Whereas Ansible is more like for, I guess, ops people, Terraform is more for like developers, but the idea is that rather than having to. Whatever syntax you would need for your specific API APIs or cloud service or whatever. You just use Terra forms, syntax, and you are able to write, you know, like scripts and other things to automate how to do a bunch of different tasks. And so the advantage of it is that it can work with a bunch of different things. [00:06:53] So you learn the Terraform language rather than learning like the domain specific language That your, your cloud [00:07:00] solution or product or whatever might use. [00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] That is a way better explanation than I could give at this point to me. Form is a very powerful thing that never works. [00:07:10] Christina: [00:07:10] Yeah. And the problem with it is that the way that it works, like if it works well, is that you have like these kind of like API APIs written to reflect one another. So if you’re using Azure, um, or, uh, insert Oracle in this case, like you would have like Oracle’s normal API thing and. Does Oracle have a domain specific language? [00:07:29] Like with Azure, we have PowerShell, but we also have some other stuff we have armed templates is one of the things that we really use. Um, you can use that with PowerShell, but arm templates are like our, our Jason thing. Does Oracle have like a native solution for writing stuff? [00:07:43] Brett: [00:07:43] I don’t know the answer to that question. [00:07:45] Christina: [00:07:45] Okay. Well, in the case of Azure, then. [00:07:48]There are ways that you can work with the Azure API using arm templates. And now there’s a new thing called bicep, which is actually pretty great. I love it right. That good. Um, and, and that [00:08:00] actually uses a slightly different, uh, domain specific languages. It’s like an enhanced version. And it’s kind of like the future of arm templates. [00:08:06] Like arm templates will still exist, but, but, but bicep is, um, a little bit, uh, uh, has some, um, better features is a little more extensible. Um, uh, ultimately it’s all going to be like, Program down to arm templates, but it makes it easier than having to know some of the nuances of, of arm templates. But how Terraform works is that like the API is, have kind of like a one-to-one kind of ratio. [00:08:29] So it was like, okay, this is how you would do something in arm templates. This is how you do it in Terraform. And ideally the API is need to have like need to reflect one another so that when I’m writing in Terraform is going to actually do the thing that it would need to do in, in an arm template sometimes. [00:08:45] That does not work. And like we have teams of people who work very closely with Terraform, like who their whole job is to make sure that the, the arm shit, like it works with the Terraform language. But sometimes it doesn’t because there are [00:09:00] just enough different nuances that when that translation happens, which the user to be clear should never have to think about. [00:09:06] They should just be thinking I’m writing the script and that this is going to execute the way I need it to. But for whatever reason, It, you know, the, the API translation doesn’t work and, and you, you wind up in pain? [00:09:18] Brett: [00:09:18] Can I tell you how I got distracted just now. [00:09:21] Christina: [00:09:21] Yes. [00:09:22] Brett: [00:09:22] So the arm bicep thing. That was funny. And my brain immediately thought, what if you made a super strict version of the mustache, like handlebars templating language and called it Hitler. [00:09:35]Christina: [00:09:35] Oh my God. Well, [00:09:37] Brett: [00:09:37] I wrote, I wrote this whole template in Hitler. [00:09:40]Christina: [00:09:40] I mean, that’s one way to guarantee canceling. It’s hilarious, but that’s one way to guarantee cancellation. I would say I would, I would say that rather than calling it Hitler, the appropriate name would be chaplain. [00:09:52] Brett: [00:09:52] I suppose, but that would be like a comedic take. [00:09:55]Christina: [00:09:55] I agree. I agree. [00:09:57] Brett: [00:09:57] Could we, can we, can we, can we like split the [00:10:00] difference in call it stolen? Like that’s a big mustache right there. [00:10:05] Christina: [00:10:05] That’s true. And actually that would fit better than the yeah. Cause both the solid and Hitler don’t have handlebars. [00:10:10] Brett: [00:10:10] Right. That’s the thing is like handlebars was a variation on, on mustache, but you could make a different ver like a slimmer [00:10:19] Christina: [00:10:19] Okay. I [00:10:20] Brett: [00:10:20] templating language. [00:10:21] Christina: [00:10:21] yeah. No. Now I get what you’re saying. Okay. Yeah, no, that’s funny. That works. But. [00:10:25]Brett: [00:10:25] Okay. [00:10:26] Christina: [00:10:26] Okay. I mean, I’m laughing. Um, I wouldn’t be opposed to it, but I also think that that would be just like asking for people to be outraged for no reason. [00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] I am not going to ask our listeners to write in about this because I know full well, it’s a bad idea. I don’t need to be told. [00:10:43] Christina: [00:10:43] Yeah, don’t, don’t write in about it. We know it’s bad. Um, also as much as we encourage iTunes reviews or apple podcast reviews, please don’t mention Hitler in our podcast reviews. If I can like make one request [00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] I was totally into this podcast until they started talking about Hitler. [00:11:00] [00:10:59] Christina: [00:10:59] I was going to say, cause something tells me that that like, won’t do well for us. I mean, maybe it will, I don’t know. I’m not going to tell you what to do. It’s your life, whatever. [00:11:07] Brett: [00:11:07] Um, so how are you mentally? [00:11:10] Christina: [00:11:10] Um, I’m okay. I’ve still, I’ve been kind of depressed honestly for like the last year, but I’m, I’m doing like I’m functional. It’s just kind of like a, always there thing. It’s like not debilitating. It’s just kind of like ha thing. [00:11:24] Brett: [00:11:24] Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get that. What’s the languishing that, that was the, that was the fun word that came out of the pandemic. [00:11:34] Christina: [00:11:34] Yeah. Languishing, which I think is. Very accurate. Definitely feels like that. I am, I am excited. Uh, I guess in like 10 days, I’m going to, um, and we’ll need to figure out like our old figure out recording time is fine, but I’m going to know, and actually I’m leaving on a Friday. I’ll be back on like a Monday. [00:11:51] So we find, but I’m going to Colorado to see the band Guster at a red rock Samford theater. Look, I know you’re laughing. [00:12:00] I love Gusto. [00:12:00] Brett: [00:12:00] No, I am not criticizing your, your musical tastes at all. Amused that you’re young enough to actually want to go to concerts at all. Like, I feel like I might show up for like K Flay or like black rebel motorcycle club, but it would take a lot for me to actually want to go to a concert. Anyway, [00:12:25] Christina: [00:12:25] get, no, [00:12:26] Brett: [00:12:26] you can continue your story. [00:12:27] I didn’t mean to. [00:12:28] Christina: [00:12:28] No, it’s okay. I don’t know if it’s a youth thing, actually, the guy, my friend that I’m going with. Uh, he’s your age. So actually I think he’s older than you. So, um, [00:12:37] Brett: [00:12:37] 60. [00:12:38] Christina: [00:12:38] no, he’s like 45. [00:12:40] Brett: [00:12:40] Oh, that is my age. [00:12:42] Christina: [00:12:42] Yeah. So, um, he’s, uh, We’re going to, they’re both excited, but I love live music. I know that it’s not for everybody, but for me, that was the last thing that I did before the world ended. [00:12:53] I was at a dashboard confessional concert, which is hysterical. Um, but yeah, no I’m going, I’ve never been to red rock [00:13:00] before and I bet I’ve seen. Yeah. [00:13:01] Brett: [00:13:01] Wait red rock, New Mexico. [00:13:03] Christina: [00:13:03] No red rock amphitheater in, um, in Colorado is like just outside of Denver. So, but it’s like this huge like venue, apparently. It’s amazing. I’ve heard so many recordings from, from red rocks and, um, but I’ve never been there. [00:13:14] Um, so I’m going to Guster, um, in like 10 days and then. Um, in September, I’m actually going back. I’m going there again, but that’s, I’m, I’m going for death cab for cutie that I’m like, I’m so pumped about, like I’m so hype about seeing death cab at, at red rocks. Like that’s going to be amazing. So. [00:13:34] Brett: [00:13:34] Okay. Man, I just, I just, I can’t fathom wanting to go to a library. [00:13:39]Christina: [00:13:39] I don’t know. I mean, and it’s it’s, well, it always varies like what the things are like, this is an outdoor venue, so I’ve, haven’t ever been here, but I’m guessing that it’s similar to the Hollywood bowl, um, which is, I think smaller than, than red rocks, but it’s kind of a similar thing where you have like, this really. [00:13:54] Outdoor amphitheater. And, and you have like some, uh, you know, uh, science seating areas. And sometimes like it’s [00:14:00] kind of general stuff. I mean, there might be some grassy areas, but it’s not like everybody’s standing. Um, which is nice, right? Like, cause I’ve definitely been to live shows and, and like, um, I mean, it’s been a while, but I’ve been to like, uh, like festivals where, you know, you’re basically standing in the crowd and, and that, um, The older, I get the less, like I’m totally down to stand inside a venue. [00:14:21] Like I’m totally fine. Without a stand inside of club, I’m less inclined to like, like if I were to do Coachella again, I would definitely need to like clamp. I would definitely need to like, try to do like the rich person Coachella, even though I’m not a rich person, I would need to like dig into my funds. [00:14:38] Try to do like the pseudo rich person Coachella, because I don’t think that I could do like the, the masses Coachella that I did when I was in college. Cause I used to do Bonnaroo and I used to go Chella and college and that, I don’t think I could do that again. [00:14:51] Brett: [00:14:51] I just realized why I no longer like going to live shows. I was, I was thinking I used to love live music. Why, what [00:15:00] was different then? It’s because I stopped drinking and doing drugs, like getting through a live show. I’m like crowds. I hate crowds, but I can do it. Yeah. If I have, if I’m a little buzzed, like crowds can be fun. [00:15:12] I can actually enjoy other people if you get enough booze in me. But without it, man, that’s torture for me. [00:15:18]Christina: [00:15:18] No, that’s that’s um, that actually makes complete sense because if I were in a situation where I could not drink. Ever at like a live show. Not that I have to have it, but it is one of those nice things, right? Like that would not be, and that would definitely make it much less fun. Also. There are a lot of people who are in many cases, inebriated around you. [00:15:40] Um, [00:15:41] Brett: [00:15:41] which makes it even less fun to be sober. [00:15:43] Christina: [00:15:43] 100%. Well, I it’s funny. Cause I used to have the inverse. I used to have a rule. Well, it’s kind of the same, but I used to have a rule. Um, again, this is when I was in college where I was. There was a certain point when I was like, I’m I refuse to go to all ages shows because [00:16:00] I like the, the teens, like the under age people. [00:16:03] And I’m a total hypocrite, cause I was only a couple of years removed from that myself. But I was like, I, I cannot be around this many and drunk like excitable people. Like I, I need booze and sometimes they wouldn’t even sell it. Like sometimes they would, but sometimes they witnessed. You can’t take this, you know, like on like the floor and I’m like, whoa, I can’t deal with this many, you know, like screaming and yelling, like excited people. [00:16:29] If I, don’t have alcohol in my system. [00:16:32] Brett: [00:16:32] I, uh, I grew up, uh, well, I should say I went to high school in, uh, in a small town in Minnesota where I once, once again live, but, uh, about half hour drive down the river. There’s a city called lacrosse, Wisconsin. And they have this venue called the warehouse and the warehouse has always been an all ages. [00:16:53] No, no alcohol, no drugs venue. Like they sell water and energy drinks and that’s it. But I got to [00:17:00] say like some of my best concert experiences happen. Like totally sober in a group of all. I mean, not everyone showed up sober, but you couldn’t get drunk there. And like, man, those kids had fun. If they still have fun, that place has been around for like 30 years now. [00:17:19] And it is like, it’s where kids go when they like, have it keeps kids off the street, let’s put it that way. I love that place. [00:17:27] Christina: [00:17:27] no. Yeah. That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Yeah. I, um, I didn’t grow up in a small town and we didn’t have this kind of local things. Like we had to go to the city. We had to go to It To go to the clubs and the music venues and stuff like in, in the suburb where I was like, sometimes you would have bigger bands come to like some of like, I guess the music venues or whatever, but you didn’t have smaller places where people could go. [00:17:49] So like you always for the clubs and stuff, we always had to go into the city always, but that wasn’t far away, you know? Um, but it’s nice that there are places like that, you know, for the [00:18:00] youth, people that fun, I think. [00:18:01] Brett: [00:18:01] and like first avenue in Minneapolis has a seventh street entry. That was always all ages shows. It’s like, I don’t know how much attraction it would have for me. Now, but I know that having places like that to go when it was not legal for me to drink yet was pretty. That was awesome. [00:18:23] Christina: [00:18:23] Yeah. [00:18:23] Brett: [00:18:23] sorry. [00:18:23] I didn’t, I, I’m not your statement about not wanting to be at all. Ages. Clubs just reminded me how much I personally loved all ages clubs. I’m not like I’m not upset with your statement. [00:18:36] Christina: [00:18:36] no. Well here, but there’s a difference. Like I think that, and again, like when you’re that age, when you’re under age, I think having an all ages thing is really important. I think when you’re like 21 or 22, it’s less important [00:18:48] Brett: [00:18:48] Agreed. [00:18:49] Christina: [00:18:49] that that’s, that’s my only [00:18:50] Brett: [00:18:50] and, and like I was saying, I, I really apparently hate going to concerts, sober, sober these days. So I, I hear what you’re saying. [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] Yeah. So, yeah, [00:19:00] I think we’re kind of saying, but yeah, but definitely at that age, like if we’d had the all ages experiences, I mean, there were some bands, like when I, when I stopped saved the day when I was like in 11th grade, um, some of the places were definitely all ages clubs, although in most cases, Or I was certainly using fake IDs. [00:19:18] Um, and it was like 18 and up. So it was, you know, not quite all ages, but certainly not like as strict as like a 21 and up thing. Um, and I did, I didn’t pass for 21. All those. Sometimes you could talk your way through that, but I had a fake ID that said I was, I was 18. Um, so like that, that word. [00:19:41]Brett: [00:19:41] Yeah, they used to, uh, they used to accept, you could get into first avenue with a license with the corner clipped off. Like they wouldn’t, they didn’t care that you would just tell them that, like you hadn’t renewed it yet and they would overlook it. You know how, [00:20:00] like, when you, when you renew your license, they clip the corner of your old license and it’s not supposed to be valid anymore. [00:20:05] So we never even had to get paid licenses. We would just borrow or like [00:20:10] Christina: [00:20:10] You would just get somebody who you would just get somebody who looks enough like you. [00:20:13] Brett: [00:20:13] Yeah. I mean, it depends on who’s at the door that [00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] Well, that that’s always what it is. It always depends on who’s at the door because there were plenty of times when I didn’t even ha there were, there were times when I would go places where I wouldn’t even use my fake, I would use my real one. Um, and at one point, my fake was me putting white out on my real one. [00:20:34] And that worked for years. [00:20:35] Brett: [00:20:35] Okay. [00:20:36] Christina: [00:20:36] Um, I was actually drunk in Daytona, always a good time. Uh, I was at a [00:20:43] Brett: [00:20:43] the sounds like the name of a, a bad, a hangover sequel, maybe [00:20:49] Christina: [00:20:49] It kind of does junk and Daytona. So I’m 20 years old. I’m at a fraternity formal. So it’s already just trash, you know, uh, cause it’s fraternity formal in Daytona. Like that was our [00:21:00] destination, like real classy and, um, After the formal, like we all decided to go out and, and continue drinking. Um, like they weren’t supposed to have alcohol like active in, in the ballroom, but of course we all pregame in our hotels and had other stuff. [00:21:14] And so, and, and I was 20, but my boyfriend was 21 and, um, One of his frat brothers wanted to get a tattoo and he agreed to pay for mine because he wanted someone to go with them. So we went and I got a tattoo. Um, and then my boyfriend got mad because that meant we couldn’t have sex in the hot tub. And I was like, I wasn’t gonna Have sex with you in the hot tub because that’s gross. [00:21:33] And I don’t know what has been in this hotel, hot tub. [00:21:37] Brett: [00:21:37] you ever had sex in a. [00:21:39]Christina: [00:21:39] no. [00:21:40] Brett: [00:21:40] is. It’s horrible. Everything about it is horrible. [00:21:43] Christina: [00:21:43] It feels like, especially as a woman, it feels like it would just be painful So, no, I haven’t, I haven’t. [00:21:48] Brett: [00:21:48] everybody. Believe me. [00:21:49] Christina: [00:21:49] I mean, I haven’t water and I don’t like it. So I, this was always like one of those things. I was like, I’m not doing this, but anyway, we went and we got the tattoo and we were already a little [00:22:00] drunk, so they shouldn’t have tattooed us, but mine turned out great. [00:22:03] Um, uh, the frat guys who paid for mine was crooked, which was typical for that guy. And then we decided to go kind of bar to bar. And so we were walking. We went to one place and this all drunk. I am like, I’m getting jello shots and I’m like missing my mouth. And it’s like, the jello was like hitting like the bar and I’m having to like scoop it up and take them. [00:22:23] She looks at my ID. She clearly sees that it’s fake. She scratches off the whiteout still serves me, but then pass me the ID. It’s looking like a date or realize that we’re walking. I think at one point we went to, like, we like took a Ferris wheel. We were like at some sort of, I don’t even know. All I know is we got pulled over by the cops for drunk walking. [00:22:42] They they’re the cops because we’re, we’re white and it’s Daytona. They’re like, just get a cap. So they called us a cab and we took a cab to take us to more bars, to continue to get more drunk. So we were too intoxicated to walk, but completely fine for us to just continue [00:23:00] our way along to two different bars. [00:23:02] Um, and, uh, then we wound up, uh, I don’t even know that. I mean, I woke up in my bed, I think. Oh, no, that was, that was, that was a different trip where, uh, our friends passed out on a bench outside that that happened at a different location. But in this case, I think everybody made it to bed, uh, correctly, but Yeah. [00:23:21] Um, that’s, that’s my, that’s how my, my fake ID did worked for years. The white out was removed because the girl in Daytona like saw it and clearly it, and she clearly saw that I was like shit faced, but continued serving me. So props to her on it. [00:23:37] Brett: [00:23:37] You have such great white girl stories. [00:23:39] Christina: [00:23:39] I really do. I should like write a book about them basic bitch for life. The basic bitch clinicals. [00:23:46] Brett: [00:23:46] we have, uh, we have a new iTunes review. You want to. [00:23:49] Christina: [00:23:49] I do. [00:23:50] Brett: [00:23:50] It’s short and sweet. It’s from Chris knows Chris, Chris snow, Chris, Chris snow. Uh, it it’s labeled one of my favorites. Five [00:24:00] stars. You’re both wonderful. And one of the highlights of my podcast feed quickly made it onto my must listen list. [00:24:07] Christina: [00:24:07] Aw. [00:24:07] Brett: [00:24:07] That’s how we, that’s how we do it. [00:24:09] And that’s how we do it. And thanks. Thanks Chris. [00:24:12] Christina: [00:24:12] Thank you, Chris. [00:24:13] Now I appreciate that. Um, and we’ve got a sponsor this week, too. [00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] We do. And I’m super excited. I have been saying for years that these people, these people should sponsor me. Um, because I have been a huge proponent to the extent that I use my affiliate link when I talk about them and I do not actually have to pay for the service for another two years, I have so many. [00:24:40]Signups from people that like loved it and paid for it. And then I got credit for it and yeah, no. Right. That sounded weird. I should say I would 100% be paying for this if I had to. But so this week’s sponsor is SaneBox, [00:25:00] which is, uh, the, the crux of my entire system for handling email. Um, inbox zero is a thing of the past. [00:25:08] We’re also in an inundated with email now that it’s no longer about responding to everything. It’s about responding only to the important things, the messages that truly matter. And that’s where SaneBox comes in. Think of it as an EMT for your email as messages flow in SaneBox does the triage. Sifting only the important emails into your inbox and directing all other distracting stuff into your same later folder. [00:25:33] So you know what messages to pay attention to now and what stuff you can get to later on. And you can add other features like, uh, there’s one that takes your. Email messages scans them for large attachments, moods attachments over a certain size to Dropbox and replaces it with a link in the email. So you’re not filling your inbox with a bunch of huge attachments. [00:25:57] It saves me over the years, gigabytes of space [00:26:00] on my Gmail account, and it works with both g-mail and iCloud. And it also works. There’s nifty features like sane black hole, where you can drag messages from annoying centers. You never want to hear. And, uh, in the future, anything they send, you just disappears, not even into your trash, there’s just gone. [00:26:17] And then there’s sane reminders. Uh, you can have it ping you if, uh, if someone hasn’t replied to your email by a certain date and best of all, you can use SaneBox with any email client or phone, anywhere you check your email, you can even make custom sane box. Uh, I have one called sane, annoying shit. I still need to see. [00:26:39] And if I get an email in my inbox, but I just, I, I just can’t deal with it right now, but I don’t want the unread message in my inbox. I just move it into that folder. And three hours later, it’ll put it back in. My inbox has an unread message. So it’s like, it’s a way to just snooze. A message [00:27:00] for a given period of time. [00:27:01] Uh, and, and the nice thing about that, like, I can do that with, uh, with my spouse. Email on my phone. And, uh, and you can do that with the spark client on Mac, as well as others. But this gives you one way to snooze messages that works across all your devices, all of your email accounts, and, uh, makes it really easy to work into something like mail mate, which is what I prefer using for my email. [00:27:27] So see how SaneBox can magically remove distractions from your inbox with a free two week trial and yeah. If you visit sanebox.com/overtired, you get $25 credit in addition to your two free weeks. So just visit sanebox.com/overtired that’s S a N E B O x.com/overtired. To get your free trial started and get a $25 credit, no coupon code to enter. [00:27:59] Just [00:28:00] follow that link and you’re golden. [00:28:02]Christina: [00:28:02] That’s awesome. Um, I I’ve been reading, like you’ve been telling me about this for years. I think I’m actually gonna sign up because. It’s. Yeah. I, I I’ve always been turned off by the inbox zero thing, mostly just cause I can’t commit to that, but that sounds really, really good. [00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] So I have this whole, I have this whole system where I use, I don’t actually use any real email folders. I use smart folders and basically AICPA message has been read and is older than three. Just disappears from my mailbox and like, meanwhile, it’s all still in my actual inbox or in my same later folder. [00:28:41] But I don’t see anything. So if I don’t act on a message within three days, I’ll lose it, which makes me either respond to turn it into a, like an Omni focused task or just delete it, you know, like I have to deal with it then, or, or I lose it, which [00:29:00] has basically my inbox never has more than maybe five unread messages. [00:29:05]Christina: [00:29:05] See, that’s great. Cause I ended up missing stuff because mine just becomes overwhelming and, and then I just end up not going there. So I’m okay. Um, I’m going to do the free trial and try that. [00:29:17] Brett: [00:29:17] You’re going to love it. Everybody loves it. It’s awesome. So I was, I was telling you a while ago that I was getting back into cyber punk. [00:29:27] Christina: [00:29:27] Yeah. [00:29:28] Brett: [00:29:28] And I went through like all of the early William Gibson novels and everything, and then got around to snow crash. And I don’t remember if you’ve ever read snow crash. [00:29:40]It is like I had forgotten how funny Stephenson is. I had forgotten like the, all of the tongue. And I mean, I remembered that the main characters name is Hiro protagonist, which should have been a clue that this was all tongue in cheek. [00:29:56] Christina: [00:29:56] Yeah. [00:29:57] Brett: [00:29:57] But, oh my God, this book is so [00:30:00] good. I’m so in love with, and I’m remembering, like, I remember all the parts of it and I had forgotten, I had forgotten how much I remembered about this book, but it is just a delight to go back through it now. [00:30:11] Christina: [00:30:11] Yeah. I think that like, that’s, it’s considered like one of like the quintessential. Like snow crash, like cyber [00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. [00:30:17] Christina: [00:30:17] books, right? Like it’s basically like, like the quintessential one. Um, yeah, I think, uh, grant, when we first started dating, um, he would read like parts of it to me and, and then I ended up reading it and no, it’s, it’s a great book. [00:30:28] I should go back and revisit it. [00:30:30]Brett: [00:30:30] I’m doing, uh, I’m doing fall or Dodge and hell, like that’s the full title, fall or Dodge in hell. Um, that’s up next. And I have read that one before, but I honestly can’t remember at all what it’s about. Uh, but I’m definitely going to go on a Neal Stephenson kick for awhile here. [00:30:46]Christina: [00:30:46] Yeah. And there’s, uh, there wasn’t, there really isn’t there a TV show or is there going to be a TV show or movie or something? [00:30:53] Brett: [00:30:53] I, I do remember seeing something about snow crash, um, [00:31:00] at some point in the last few years, but I don’t remember what it was or if anything ever actually came of it, it would make such a good, uh, it would make a great mini-series. [00:31:12]Christina: [00:31:12] Yeah, I agree. Um, it, it really would. Yeah. I’m trying to figure out like, if it, if it’s happened or not, because yeah. Apparently HBO, max did option something, but I’m not sure if it’s come out or not. [00:31:26] Brett: [00:31:26] of optioning things. Have you ever read Lizzy story by Stephen King? [00:31:31]Christina: [00:31:31] I don’t think that I have. [00:31:33] Brett: [00:31:33] It is, in my opinion, I like I was turned onto it by someone whose literary prowess, I respect. And like, I wasn’t a big Stephen King fan. Like I read a couple of books, they were scary. Uh, he’s a clever writer, whatever. Um, but then I read Lissy story and honestly, I think it. [00:31:52] Best like literary achievement, that stories crazy good. And apple TV plus [00:32:00] turned it into a mini series and, and it is, he’s a true Testament to both Stephen King’s writing and the production team for the show that it looks almost exactly like what I saw in my head when I read it. [00:32:17]Christina: [00:32:17] I love that. Okay. So, so that’s exciting. Okay. So I’m going to read it. [00:32:21] and then watch it. Um, and, and if you say that you think is like the best Stephen King thing, even if you haven’t historically been a fan, like he’s a great writer. Like I think even if people don’t like his stuff, like he’s a great writer. [00:32:34] Like his book on writing, I think is the. Best book about writing that I’ve ever read. Um, and, and he’s just a fantastic writer. So if you say that this is, um, his best work, then I’m definitely going to get this. [00:32:50] Brett: [00:32:50] I could not put it down. It was, it’s such a good book. [00:32:54]Christina: [00:32:54] Um, I’m going to get it. Is there an audible version? [00:32:57] Brett: [00:32:57] Yeah. [00:32:58]Christina: [00:32:58] Perfect. [00:32:59] Brett: [00:32:59] at least I’m [00:33:00] pretty sure there is. I actually read the paperbacks, so I can’t be certain, but I’m pretty. [00:33:05] Christina: [00:33:05] I’m sure that there is, I mean, Stephen King, but, uh, I’ll figure it out. Um, even if, even if there’s not like I, cause I do sometimes like to switch between both reading and listening, if I can. Um, like that’s my favorite way of getting through. So, um, we also have kind of, kind of speaking of apple TV, that’s a good segue. [00:33:24] Uh, Ted lasso is on the line. Um, are you watching that again? [00:33:28] Brett: [00:33:28] It’s N it’s no, the new season starts like three days after my birthday, which is Monday. So like next Friday, I think the new season of Ted lasso comes and I am terribly excited about it. [00:33:43] Christina: [00:33:43] I’m I am so excited about it. And actually yesterday, uh, as we were recording this on a, on a Wednesday and on Tuesday, the Emmy nominations came out and it. [00:33:51] was nominated for, um, a bunch of Emmys. [00:33:55] Brett: [00:33:55] It better be. It’s [00:33:56] Christina: [00:33:56] Yeah, As I said, like, it was, it was nominated for a bunch of Emmys. And I think that [00:34:00] it’s in contender, like I think he’s probably definitely gonna win a best actor in a comedy series. [00:34:04] Um, and, and I think that it is a strong contender to win best comedy series. I think that, that it is, uh, like, cause at one of the golden globe and, and when this came out last year, I was like, this should be the like, uh, The contender and like, it is, it is my pick. I’m still, um, it’s weird though, because some of the stuff that was nominated, like the flight attendant was nominated as best comedy, which. [00:34:32] Brett: [00:34:32] so that it killed me the description of the flight attendant. When I first started watching, it said, uh, like a thrilling comment. And the whole time through it, I was trying to figure out what exactly was comedic about this show. And it was a great show. I loved it, but it was not a comedy. And I do not understand how it got classified as such. [00:34:53]Christina: [00:34:53] Yeah. I, I mean, they submitted it themselves and I guess, because they maybe thought That they’d have a better chance in the [00:35:00] comedy versus kind of the drama category, but it really like, it just, it doesn’t, it doesn’t fit for me. Um, Emily and Paris was also nominated as comedy and I’m like, okay. Like, [00:35:10] Brett: [00:35:10] show sucked. [00:35:12] Christina: [00:35:12] I mean, I watched It I didn’t like it, but I [00:35:14] Brett: [00:35:14] It was this, it was designed for people to watch while playing on their phones. Like it was a background TV show. [00:35:22] Christina: [00:35:22] 100%. And I love Darren star, like Darren star created sex in the city, which I still think holds up like a lot of people don’t I still think it holds up is all a bit perfect. No, no show from 20 years ago is perfect. So fuck off. But I still think it holds up and I’m, I’m excited about the, um, like kind of continuation. [00:35:38] That’s going to be happening in a few months, um, even without, uh, Kim control, um, which, you know, it’s disappointing, but it is what it is, but Emily and Paris. Yeah. [00:35:47] It’s total background TV show. But, uh, get Ted lasso. Apparently it one, it broke some sort of record, more shows were nominated for it, for him. [00:35:55]And how many for more remedies, but I guess it broke some sort of record cause like one division [00:36:00] was not made for 23 as with some other show. And then, um, I think the Mandalorian was nominated for like 24 or something, but it was nominated for a 20 eminent, um, Emmy nominations, um, including nods for best comedy series, best actor in a comedy series versus daycare speced supporting actress in a comedy series for Hannah wanting him and Juno temples. [00:36:20] So two in that category, best supporting actor in a comedy. Brett Goldstein, Brennan hunt, Nick Mohammad and Jeremy swift shit. So they basically like ran out that whole category, um, which is amazing. Um, and, uh, that’s, that’s pretty great. Um, so I’m excited about that. There’s also a really good profile in GQ this month. [00:36:46] It came out yesterday. They timed it to, I mean, nomination. About Jason’s Degas and the headline is Jason Sudeikis is having one hell of a year. And, um, it kind of talks about how like the last year has been hard on him. You know, his, [00:37:00] his relationship of, of a number of years, um, ended and, um, You know, but he’s also had all this success with his show and, uh, it’s a, it’s a really good profile. [00:37:11] And one of the things that he kind of says in it is that he wants to be an Avenger. Let me find the exact quote. Um, he says, if you have the, you have the opportunity to hit a rock button, however you define that you can become 412 bones or you can land like an Avenger. I personally have chosen to land like an adventure. [00:37:29]Brett: [00:37:29] Did you see the blood? Yeah. [00:37:31] Christina: [00:37:31] I haven’t seen it yet. Um, but I I’m going to, um, abide by basically know all the spoilers about it. What do you think. [00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Uh, it was, I believe. Said it best. It was, it was too little too late for black widow. And the movie basically served to introduce a new female character. Um, and I won’t, I won’t do spoilers because it’s, it’s a brand new and I don’t expect everyone to have seen it yet. Yeah. But, [00:38:00] um, it like, it was great. [00:38:02] Yeah. It was funny. It was, it was fun. Action. Uh, Scarlett Johannson did an excellent job, but her character is already dead, you know, like in the, in the [00:38:11] Christina: [00:38:11] no exactly. In Canada. No, it’s, it’s terrible. [00:38:13] Brett: [00:38:13] are you going to go with it? We already know how this one ends, [00:38:17] Christina: [00:38:17] which is so shitty. I don’t know. I, um, allow me to go on like a very brief rant on this for a second. Okay. [00:38:24] So I’m not saying that black widow hasn’t had problems now has been problematic and what not. I don’t care. And, and that people like, and don’t like Scarlett Johannson. I don’t care. It’s so shitty to me that you have someone who’s literally been there from the beginning of the whole MCU. [00:38:40] Like she joined in iron man too. So I think she, other than Robert Downey Jr. Has been in the most films and has been in the most kind of things you want. 10 years, more than 10 years, you wait like 12 years, um, to give her her own fucking film, which is [00:39:00] ridiculous. You only do it after you’ve killed off the character. [00:39:03] When the character didn’t even need to die in end game, which is what’s so frustrating, right? We’ll fucking let Hawkeye die. Like no one gives a shit about Jeremy barter, Right. [00:39:11] Like fucking let Hawkeye die. But like you kill off the one in the O G and for many years, the only like female, like badass in this entire genre. [00:39:21] Yeah. Everybody else gets their movies. Like you fucking bring, like, find a way to bring Spider-Man into the MCU before you give black widow one. And it’s disgusting to me. And then when you finally do it, I get the pandemic like that couldn’t have been helped, but they had all these multiple delays even before the pandemic and like pushing it, you know, for other things and whatnot. [00:39:41] Um, you then do this thing and it, it seems to have gone well, but like they did what I thought was kind of disrespectful to do this, like dual release on both, you know, theaters and on Disney plus, because although the box office has been good, like to me, that was hedging their bets in a way that I was. [00:39:56] Okay. You’re really not encouraging people to go to the theaters. Like you’re really [00:40:00] just kind of treating this like any other Disney plus release and like, this is black widow. This is an actress who. Whatever people think of her. She’s a very good actress. She’s Oscar nominated. She’s given up 12, 13 years of her career to this fucking franchise. [00:40:15] You use her face in your goddamn logo. You’ve treated the character like shit. And then the whole way that they didn’t even bother to do, like as hardcore of a marketing push, in my opinion, for black widow, as they did for the fucking low-key TV show, like it’s just disrespectful. It’s just like, [00:40:32]Brett: [00:40:32] I agree. I really do. Um, there were [00:40:36] Christina: [00:40:36] score shows deserves better. [00:40:37] Brett: [00:40:37] there were some great lines in the movie though. Uh, where her sister who was another widow, um, she, uh, she, she, she makes endless fun of, uh, black widows love of superhero poses. Hold the hair flipping and the superhero landings and everything. It’s that’s, it’s pretty funny, but [00:41:00] yeah, it was definitely too little too late for what should have been a far more prominent character [00:41:06] Christina: [00:41:06] Yeah. I mean, and again, like to me, it would bother me less if they had. Like literally banked on and used her image and her, her likeness and her star power and everything else for years to dry in her ass. Yes. To drive the marketing and the series, like it’s, it’s gross to me. It’s like, you know, you’re going to give all these other like, like ant man has a movie first, like really. And has two movies. It’s like, what are you even doing? It’s like a black widow. Can’t like, it’s just, it’s ridiculous that, that, you know, I mean, nothing against Bri, um, um, what’s her face, but, um, you know, like captain Marvel should not have happened before black widow and, and black widow shouldn’t have died, fucking kill Hawkeye. [00:41:45] He doesn’t care like. You know, I mean, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s disrespectful to me. And it’s one of those very clear sexism things, um, that they wouldn’t have treated a male star with that level of star power when [00:42:00] they joined the franchise, the way that they treated her, [00:42:03] Brett: [00:42:03] Speaking of sexism. Are you watching physics? [00:42:05]Christina: [00:42:05] I’m not, but I’m, I’m, I’m going to, um, w w uh, tell me. [00:42:11] Brett: [00:42:11] Well, so if you’ve ever wanted to be inside the head of a Billy Mick, a Jazzercise instructor in the eighties, it is, this is your show. [00:42:24]Christina: [00:42:24] Oh, yeah, no, yeah. This, this is the rose Buren one, [00:42:27] Brett: [00:42:27] Yes. And she is amazing in it. Like half, half the dialogue is voiceover. Like you hear her inner dialogue as all of these things are happening. So she’s thinking one saying one thing and saying another, and it’s this constant interplay between a highly self-critical self-loathing. Like she’s gorgeous. I mean, rose Byrne is she’s, she’s beautiful, but the, the character has this constant inner dialogue about what a fat ugly bitch. [00:42:56] She is her words, not mine. [00:43:00] And, and just like constantly, uh, just the self-loathing and meanwhile, you know, putting on this, this happy, shiny face and becoming a dance instructor and no, it’s, it’s, it’s great. It’s a real. [00:43:16]Christina: [00:43:16] Um, I’ve yeah. And it just ended, so I can, I can now stream, um, I [00:43:21] Brett: [00:43:21] Yeah. I think that last episode came. I think the last one comes out this Friday. [00:43:26] Christina: [00:43:26] Okay. Okay. Well then will, I’ll be able to get close enough to binge the whole thing. So, yeah. [00:43:30] Um, I love her. We’ve talked about her and how much we love her before she [00:43:35] Brett: [00:43:35] she [00:43:36] Christina: [00:43:36] She’s she’s like highly underrated. She’s such a good comic actress. She usually plays the straight man, but she’s so good. Like, [00:43:42] Brett: [00:43:42] Oh, the neighbor’s movies. I loved her so much. [00:43:46] Christina: [00:43:46] I know me too. [00:43:47] She was so good in those and inspire, like, she was so good in spy, um, uh, uh, bridesmaids as well, but yeah. [00:43:55] the neighbor’s movies, I was always, I was like, so impressed. I was like, yeah, like [00:44:00] you’re, you’re cool. Like she, she has a lot of range as an actor. Um, w in a way that a lot of other actresses who, you know, have a kind of her look and like physicality or whatever, like don’t, um, she’s funny. [00:44:15] I really, but she’s also, she she’s really good. So I’m, I’m looking forward to, uh, to watching this, um, [00:44:20] Brett: [00:44:20] it. [00:44:21] Christina: [00:44:21] um, what’s the one about the, uh, about the video games? Um, [00:44:27] Brett: [00:44:27] Oh, mythic quest. [00:44:28] Christina: [00:44:28] Yeah. I like method, [00:44:29] Brett: [00:44:29] Yeah. Yeah. I just, I just did the S what season two, I guess I had missed that there was a whole new season, so I went through that pretty quick. I’m all caught up now. [00:44:42] Christina: [00:44:42] yeah, [00:44:42] Um, I, uh, I love, um, always sunny and, and I love those guys, so, and it’s, it’s neat to see them do something. That’s I mean, obviously it’s always sunny is like the, this point I think has the longest running, um, live action sitcom. [00:44:58] Brett: [00:44:58] I did not realize until [00:45:00] like season 50 of Sonny, that it was written by Charlie day. And that cracked me up because his character, like, if I couldn’t imagine who would present Charlie script to, and or who would be presented with that script and then, and then gladly sign on. But the fact that he wrote it for himself kills me. [00:45:24] Christina: [00:45:24] Yeah, no, totally. And the fact that like his real life wife is the waitress. [00:45:28] Brett: [00:45:28] Oh yeah. [00:45:29]Christina: [00:45:29] Yeah, no, uh, yeah, no Glenn Howard 10 Charlie day and Rob, um, McEleney, uh, created the show and, um, and then, um, uh, and there obviously, uh, Dennis, uh, Mac and Charlie, and then, um, and then, um, Mac married, um, uh, The sweet tea, Caitlin, like fairly early into the show, like they met when they cast her and then they got married. [00:45:52] Um, and, and then like the waitresses you part of like, basically, it’s kind of like a family thing, which I think is pretty awesome actually. Like [00:46:00] It’s [00:46:00] Brett: [00:46:00] It’s a family business. [00:46:01] Christina: [00:46:01] It is a family business. [00:46:02] It’s such a drain show. Like, you know, like, um, Danny DeVito was supposed to just be kind of a bit thing. And then he like, had so much fun. [00:46:10] He was like, yeah, this is what I’ll do with my life. [00:46:12] Brett: [00:46:12] Yep. [00:46:13] Christina: [00:46:13] Let’s just do it, which, which I love like apparently the first season, cause he came in the second season and apparently the first season, like they shot all his scene separately. Um, or, you know, at, at one time because you know, he’s Danny DeVito and didn’t know if he was going to really be wanting to do the show thing or whatever. [00:46:29] So, you know, they would have like certain days where they would just get all of this stuff at once and maybe do them out of order. Um, and then he had such a good time. He was. No, I’m, I’m in. [00:46:39] like, I want to be fully into this and like, and you see the progression of the front character go from being like more of the businessman and more kind of like straight man stuff at first to just slowly, uh, by the end of the second season, you see a little bit, but really starting the third season and beyond like, just embracing the depravity the same as the rest of them. [00:46:57] It’s So. good. [00:46:58] Brett: [00:46:58] So. [00:47:00] I’ll bring up before we try to talk about something other than TV, maybe do we even want to who cares? Um, but, uh, have you seen atypical, [00:47:11] Christina: [00:47:11] I have not. [00:47:12] Brett: [00:47:12] uh, I told you a while ago about a show called love on the spectrum. [00:47:17] Christina: [00:47:17] Yeah. [00:47:17] Brett: [00:47:17] And it was about like, uh, ASD people, uh, dating. It was a dating show and, uh, atypical is a comedy completely unrelated, except for they’re both about autism. [00:47:30] Um, but it’s a comedy, a drama. No, it’s not a drama. It’s a comedy, um, about, uh, a young man going off to college. Uh, and he is dealing with, you know, being an ASD person and it is. Delightful like this show. Sh if it’s not up for awards, should be, I highly recommend it. [00:47:55] Christina: [00:47:55] Okay, I’ll check this out. Cause usually this isn’t The sort of thing that would normally kind of ping my [00:48:00] radar, but you’re saying it’s good, which is, um, And Jennifer, Jason Lee is in it and I really like her, [00:48:06] Brett: [00:48:06] character is she the mom? [00:48:08] Christina: [00:48:08] yeah. [00:48:09] Brett: [00:48:09] Uh, the characters in this show are, uh, deep and well-written and they will all grow on you in one way or another. It is excellent writing. [00:48:21]Christina: [00:48:21] Nice. Okay. Let’s check that out. So we also have this thing on here as we’re kind of running out of time that, uh, you’ve touched bar news. So Are you or are you trying to use your touch bar again? [00:48:31] Brett: [00:48:31] here’s the thing is I don’t have one anymore. Um, like I, I, I handed down my Mac book pro two L and I got myself an M one Mac mini, and I suddenly don’t have a touch bar, but there were a couple of things that I had actually hacked into the touch bar on my. MacBook pro that I did find really useful. [00:48:54] Like when I CD into a project directory, uh, it pops [00:49:00] up. So I have this thing called how’s it where I can ask, like in any project that I can keep notes on how to do different things within the project and that I can type, like, how has it build, how how’s it deploy? And it’ll remind me how all of this stuff works and how’s, it can also be a task runner. [00:49:18] So if you can almost, you can create like a matrix. For any project and then use how’s it to run the tasks. And I had it set up so that when I see the, into a project rectory that had a how’s it notes file, it would create buttons on my touch bar for all of the tasks that it was able to run. And that was super useful. [00:49:41] I use that. I like legit used it to the extent where even if my laptop was docked over to the side, I would like reach over to hit the button. Even though they weren’t right in front of me. So anyway, I was missing stuff like that. So I started playing around with a touch bar simulator, and that [00:50:00] turned into this whole, I’m working on a blog post on this, but I ended up writing a bunch of scripts that I eventually consolidated into one big script that you can send sub commands to. [00:50:12] And my touch bar now has like. Integration with my command line, time trackers, CPU, load readouts with different averages, full weather reports for the week ahead. Uh, all of my bunches get like you can see which bunches are open and which bunches are closed at any given time. Uh, full control of my music. [00:50:36] This is all with better touch tool, but anyway, yeah. It got intense. And it’s hilarious to me that I did all this after I no longer had a touch bar [00:50:46] Christina: [00:50:46] Right. I was going to say so, [00:50:48] Brett: [00:50:48] and, and apple is apple is officially canceling the touch bar. Like the touch bar won’t even exist in a couple years. So this is, this is, um, I guess a last hurrah. [00:51:00] [00:51:00]Christina: [00:51:00] Yeah, I guess so, um, I’m although, I mean, I would think maybe, obviously it, it It’s different, but it’s possible. You could turn some of this stuff into things for like your strings. [00:51:12] Brett: [00:51:12] It’s feedback. And a lot of what I’ve done does easily translate to menu bar. [00:51:17] Christina: [00:51:17] Right. Um, speaking of your stream deck, did, did El Gato ever, ever get back to you and like fix that for [00:51:22] Brett: [00:51:22] They gave me an RMA. I sent in my stream deck. Many. I have not heard a peep since, [00:51:30]Christina: [00:51:30] How long ago was that? [00:51:32] Brett: [00:51:32] a couple of weeks now. [00:51:34] Christina: [00:51:34] Wow. [00:51:34] Brett: [00:51:34] Yeah, they’re slow. I did get my new Synology. And that’s like all up and running. Didn’t lose a beat. Everything’s awesome. Synology rocks. I’m super happy. El Gato. On the other hand, like I had to demand eventually it was like, they were like, well, Hey, try installing this version of the software. [00:51:52] And I was [00:51:53] Christina: [00:51:53] You’re like, it doesn’t turn on. You’re like, it’s dead. You need to send me a new unit. Like this is ridiculous. Yeah. [00:51:58] Brett: [00:51:58] That was exactly how [00:52:00] it went. And they immediately said, okay, here’s an RMA. You pay for shipping and, and we’ll take care of it. And then they just, they haven’t we’ll see. [00:52:10]Christina: [00:52:10] Yeah. Yeah. Um, that sucks. I think we bought mine at best buy. So of mine breaks. I think at least within the year, I’ll be able to take it back to Boston. [00:52:21] Brett: [00:52:21] Yeah, mine was within a year. You’re so annoying. Oh [00:52:25] Christina: [00:52:25] Totally. Oh, no, I agree. No, I’m just saying like it, cause I hate when companies do that whole, you have to pay for shipping thing when it’s within a year, but many of them do the way around that, depending on where you bought it. Like Amazon’s a little weird, like if it’s within 30 days. Yeah. [00:52:38] But if it’s within a year that usually will still make you go to the manufacturer. [00:52:41] But if you bought it like at a physical store, um, or, or even online, but a place that has physical locations. In most cases, you can bring your receipt and go back that physical location and they’ll deal with it. So that’s the reason why I do recommend if you know, the company has the policy where they make you pay for return [00:53:00] shipping, um, to buy things from like best buy, um, because they’re just easier to deal with. [00:53:08] Uh, but that’s getting harder and harder because it’s not that many, like places that. Exist for consumer electronics, um, that have physical locations. Um, but it it’s frustrating. Yeah. Cause, um, that, that that’s annoying. Uh, AMD, this was the worst. So I bought a, I bought two processors. And one of them, I accidentally bought the wrong one. [00:53:29] Like there, their web store, the way that it looked like I bought the wrong thing and that was on me, but I’m, and I instantly realized I bought the wrong thing and they don’t give you a way to cancel the order. Like there’s no way in their system that you can cancel the order. Even 15 seconds after it’s done. [00:53:43] Like there’s no way. And so they told me, they’re like, oh, well you can deny the shipment. And I’m like, no, I can’t because. People don’t because of COVID people aren’t even signing for delivery anymore. Um, they were like, or once you get it, you can mail it back. So I get it. Then I emailed them. I’m like, Okay. [00:54:00] [00:53:59] I got the wrong thing. [00:54:00] I need to RMA thing from you. You know, I would need to return, took photos to show that it was sealed, nothing to change, et cetera. And then they went back and forth and me, they initially wanted me to pay to mail it back and I was. No, you’re going to send me a FedEx label. Um, I’m not, I’m not paying to, to ship this back to you when I didn’t want to make the purchase to begin with, like, this is, this is dumb and they did relent and give me, you know, like the label, but it was just like the most frustrating thing. [00:54:29] And then I had to wait like a couple of days, every time I’d emailed them to like, get, you know, the thing back. And I was like, why, why is your e-commerce system so terrible that you cannot cancel an order? Within 15 seconds of it being placed. Like what the hell [00:54:44] Brett: [00:54:44] Yeah, that’s the modern economy. Better than that. [00:54:49] Christina: [00:54:49] it really should. And it’s, and I’m like, you’re AMD, right? Like you’re not some small like, place like you and you’ve outsourced it to someone, but maybe outsource is somewhat better. I don’t know. [00:55:00] Anyway, that’s my one. [00:55:01]Brett: [00:55:01] Yeah. My coworker, the other day we’re we’re, we’re working with a. Consulting firm for some design work and or some web development work. And, and she asked, why are we, why are we farming this out? We’re Oracle and I, our consensus was that you were farming it out because we are Oracle. And sometimes in a big corporation, you want to get things done. [00:55:28] You got to go outside the corporation. [00:55:31] Christina: [00:55:31] Yes. No. And, and like, I understand like AMD, like, vendoring it out. I totally. get that. It was just like, use a better company. Right? Like you have, you have your options, but yeah. Yeah. You’re exactly right though. Cause it is one of those questions, like why are we outsourcing this? And it’s like, because we know that this will be more efficient and cost less money. [00:55:51] Brett: [00:55:51] Yeah. We came to the same conclusion, Aaron and I. [00:55:55]Christina: [00:55:55] Okay, well, um, this has been fun. I hope, uh, [00:56:00] I hope that this was good for you. I think that actually, we got through like a pretty jam packed and, and good episode [00:56:05] Brett: [00:56:05] was a wild ride as predicted. [00:56:08] Christina: [00:56:08] as predicted. [00:56:09] Brett: [00:56:09] I hope, I hope everyone’s happy, [00:56:12] Christina: [00:56:12] Yeah, I hope so. Again, like leave us those five star reviews on apple [00:56:16] Brett: [00:56:16] Or to start as long as [00:56:17] Christina: [00:56:17] or two stars, whatever, as long as it’s funny, again, like that’s the most important thing. [00:56:20]Brett: [00:56:20] Make it funny. I w they will get red on the air. [00:56:25] Christina: [00:56:25] Yes, the funnier the [00:56:26] Brett: [00:56:26] like, you can, it couldn’t make me say, this is your opportunity to get me to say exactly the words you want to hear me say, just put it in an iTunes review and I will read it verbatim on the air. [00:56:38] Christina: [00:56:38] I love it. [00:56:40] Brett: [00:56:40] I’m going to get myself in trouble. Anyway. I hope you have a great week, uh, for anyone keeping track next week, we will have another episode with two Christina’s. [00:56:50] I mean, Christina and Ashley, [00:56:52] Christina: [00:56:52] We’re so excited. [00:56:53]Brett: [00:56:53] uh, I have, uh, another co-host lined up for, uh, any future absences I have that I [00:57:00] think you will really enjoy, but I’ll keep it a secret for right now. [00:57:03] Christina: [00:57:03] Okay. Okay. Uh, I, I’m excited to learn who the future one will be and you you’ve got some surgery coming up. [00:57:09] Brett: [00:57:09] Yep. I go under the knife on Friday and I expect a three to seven day recovery period. It’s going to suck. [00:57:20] Christina: [00:57:20] I’m very sorry, but we think good thoughts for you. And actually I’m glad that you got like, and you’re taking time off work, right? Like you’re not going to have to work during. Okay. Which is awesome. So like, you know, treat yourself and, and, and take the time that you need [00:57:34] Brett: [00:57:34] Hey, thanks. All right. Well, Christina, get some sleep. [00:57:38] Christina: [00:57:38] get some sleep.