The Modern Bar Cart Podcast

Eric Kozlik
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Mar 27, 2026 • 47min

Episode 311 - Flavor Attractors with Dr. Kevin Peterson

In part two of my exploration of flavor and memory with Dr. Kevin Peterson, some of the topics we discuss include: What the Big 5 personality index (also known as OCEAN) might be able to teach us about how guests think about factors like novelty and comfort in the cocktails they enjoy. The difference between the highest-rated drink (on average) on most Castalia menus, versus the highest-rated drinks for specific individuals. How people respond when asked to describe their ideal cocktail - including the aesthetics and memories they tended to focus on, and which qualities they most often left out of the description. We also explore a somewhat half-baked theory I propose about flavor as an "attractor," which is an explanatory concept taken from complex systems science that deals with nonlinear dynamics. Along the way, we muse on the complexities of serving baijiu cocktails in the midwest, what kinds of cocktail experiments Dr. Peterson would run if we were all guinea pigs in his flavor lab, the sublime transcendence of cauliflower and pomegranate marinated lamb, and much, much more. Please head over to sfumatofragrances.com to check out Cocktail Theory and pre-order his upcoming book, Data-Driven Drinks, and I hope you enjoy the thrilling conclusion of my latest interview with Dr. Kevin Peterson.
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Mar 5, 2026 • 42min

Episode 310 - Data-Driven Drinks with Dr. Kevin Peterson

Dr. Kevin Peterson, cocktail bar founder and author who researched customer cocktail-rating data. He discusses why matching people to their ideal drink is much harder than perfecting classics. The conversation covers high-dimensional preference variables, algorithmic and bartender-led ways to zero in on tastes, why spicy and bitter elements polarize, and how menu language and profiling can guide better matches.
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Feb 17, 2026 • 54min

Episode 309 - The Donn of Tiki with Alex Lamb and Max Well

In this fascinating conversation with Max Well and Alex Lamb, directors of The Donn of Tiki, some of the topics we discuss include: How a COVID-era YouTube short on the history of Tiki in LA snowballed into a full-length feature film on one of the most iconic bar entrepreneurs of the 20th century: Ernest Gantt, AKA Donn Beach, AKA "Don the Beachcomber." The way that stop-motion puppetry and clever era-appropriate animations were used to give Donn an embodied presence in his own story, with audio unearthed from a single set of tapes uncovered at the University of Hawaii. The interesting ironies that run through Donn's life, including his propensity to build big and lose everything and the very different love interests who came and went, changing his trajectory and altering the arc of tropical drinks history in the process. We also explore the two seemingly opposed natures operating at the same time in Donn Beach: his unwavering pursuit of authenticity and quality, on the one hand, which was often masked by his flair for showmanship and his trickster-like talent for tall tales and misdirection. Along the way, we revel in Donn's ability to create freak evening thunderstorms with a hose atop his LA speakeasy, speculate about how he might feel about super juice, and even take the time to appreciate his unexpected role in the revival of authentic Hawaiian culture in the 20th century. When this episode airs, Alex and Max will still be touring and doing screenings around the country, so head over to TheDonnOfTiki.com to check out their schedule, and be sure to keep your eyes peeled for when this film hits your favorite streaming services in the near future.
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Jan 28, 2026 • 33min

Episode 308 - Your Whiskey Math is Bullsh*t

A fiery audio essay dismantles the idea of assigning percentages to how much barrel shapes whiskey flavor. It contrasts machine chemistry reports with human smell and a palate proofing demo. It exposes how numbers bias tasting, explores market incentives, and urges tasting more openly to see flavor as emergent and personal.
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Dec 5, 2025 • 26min

Episode 307 - Sacred Serves: The Rituals that Make Drinking Human

This time around, we'll be taking a look at drinking rituals from around the world. A few months back, my friend Reece Sims asked me to write an article about drinking rituals for her new publication, The Flavour Report. She has graciously agreed to let me read the article on-air and give you all a bit of a "Director's Cut" version of the article, entitled: Sacred Serves: The Rituals That Make Drinking Human. For those of you who have the opportunity to enjoy a few drinks with family and friends this holiday season, I hope some of these thoughts about the importance of ritual, hospitality, gratitude, and the sometimes radical act of coming together can help you to appreciate some of those moments even more. Please remember, as always, to drink responsibly and experiment boldly. Additional Resource: Video of Queimada Ritual (WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT AT HOME)
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Nov 17, 2025 • 45min

Episode 306 - The Bartender's Manifesto with Toby Maloney

Award-winning bartender Toby Maloney, known for his work at iconic venues like Milk & Honey and Pegu Club, delves into the art of cocktail creation. He discusses the balance between intention and inspiration, highlighting how creativity thrives on curated attention. In a live cocktail development session, Toby and Eric craft a unique fall cocktail using reposado tequila and pisco, blending flavors like pear and ginger. They explore the intriguing concept of anti-gravity cocktails and share heartfelt culinary memories, making for an engaging blend of science and art.
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Oct 30, 2025 • 40min

Episode 305 - Building Iconic Bar Programs with Toby Maloney

Toby Maloney, an accomplished bartender and consultant known for his work at Milk & Honey and The Violet Hour, shares his journey from busboy to cocktail innovator. He reflects on the tumultuous launch of The Violet Hour and its pivotal role in the Cocktail Renaissance. Toby also discusses opening bars in 2025, emphasizing rapid service innovations like pre-batched 'Flavor Booms' and unique pouring techniques. He dives into the potential for Gen Z's 'Fern Bar' moment, revealing exciting trends in the beverage landscape.
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Oct 10, 2025 • 1h 3min

Episode 304 - The Cigar Blend Dilemma with Maggie Kimberl

In this smokey, robust conversation with cigar and whiskey expert Maggie Kimberl (@lougirl502), some of the topics we discuss include: A working definition of "cigar blend whiskey," plus some specific thoughts on the ideal proof point for these types of blends. The two primary pairing strategies that you can use to pair any two items in the flavor world, whether you're talking about wine and food, whiskey and cigars, or even building the perfect charcuterie bite. How to think about "flexibility" in the whiskey and cigar pairing space. Essentially: is a given whiskey designed to pair with a wide range of cigars, or has a blender designed it to pair with one cigar in particular? Then, we look at cigars. We talk about how a cigar is going to change as you smoke it, how to think about size metrics like shape and ring gauge relative to other factors like robustness and country of origin, and the best way to leverage online reviews and your local tobacconist to help you navigate the scene. We wrap up by talking about some of the more recent trends and collaborations in the whiskey and cigar world, exploring certain ways in which cigar blends and pairing collaborations are getting better, and even more complex at the same time. Along the way, we cover what your breakfast beverage of choice says about your taste in cigars, which $25 bottle of whiskey Maggie ended up pairing with a $1000 cigar, the results of her 7-month Manhattan study, and much, much more.
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Sep 25, 2025 • 1h 22min

Episode 303 - The Official Rum of Leisure with Malcolm Gosling Jr.

Join Malcolm Gosling Jr., an eighth-generation member of the Gosling's Rum family, as he shares captivating tales from Bermuda's rum legacy. Discover how a ship charter mishap sparked the family's business and learn about the intriguing origins of Black Seal Rum. Malcolm reveals the bartender legend behind the Dark ‘N Stormy cocktail and highlights their unique aging project aboard a cargo ship. From quirky family traditions to camaraderie-infused branding as 'The Official Rum of Leisure,' this conversation offers a delightful plunge into rum culture.
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Sep 9, 2025 • 52min

Episode 302 - Shop Talk: On-Premise Positioning for Spirits Brands

View the video of this seminar: here! What's shakin' drinks fans? Thanks for joining me for this special industry shop talk episode, where I give you a free, behind-the-scenes look at some of the content I produce specifically for people who work in the spirits and cocktail industry. This time around, you'll get to sit in on a seminar I presented a few weeks ago at the 2025 American Distilling Institute Conference & Trade show in San Antonio, TX. The title of the seminar is: "You've Been Served: On Premise Strategies for a Saturated Market," and it presents a bunch of different looks at things distillers and spirits brands can be doing to create successful partnerships with bars and restaurants.

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