

Psychologists Off the Clock
Debbie Sorensen, Jill Stoddard, Yael Schonbrun, Michael Herold & Emily Edlynn
We are five experts in psychology, bringing you science-backed ideas that can help you flourish in your work, relationships, and health.
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Aug 22, 2019 • 50min
101. The Complete Family Guide to Addiction with Thomas Harrison and Hillary Connery
Addiction is often perceived as a weakness, lack of will power, or a choice. It isn’t. Addiction is a brain disease. It is also a family disease that requires a holistic family approach to treat.
Join Yael for an important discussion with the authors of The Complete Family Guide To Addiction: Everything You Need To Know Now To Help Your Loved One And Yourself. This discussion explores the nature of addiction and evidence-based approaches to responding to a family member or friend in ways that heal the disease, yourself, and your relationship with your loved one.
Listen and Learn:
What addiction is and what addiction is not
Why addiction is a family disease
How our usual way of responding might reinforces our loved one’s addictive behavior
How Community Reinforcement and Family Training (CRAFT) and positive reinforcement facilitates healing
Practical tips to care for yourself while supporting your loved one during treatment.
About Thomas Harrison and Dr. Hillary Connery:
Thomas Harrison is an author who has spent many years as a legal editor and publisher translating highly complex and technical information into simple English. After a close friend developed a substance use disorder, he realized the need for someone to translate the complicated and technical knowledge of addiction research into practical language for family members and friends struggling to cope with the challenges of addiction. Thomas is also the author of The Family Addiction Guidebook.
Hillary Connery, MD, PhD is the Clinical Director of the Substance Use Disorders Division at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts. She is also an assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard University and the New England Director for the American Academy of Addiction Psychiatry. Dr. Connery contributed to the American Psychiatric Association Practice Guidelines for the treatment of substance use disorders and specializes in treating opioid use disorders and co-occurring mental illness and substance use disorders.
Resources:
The Complete Family Guide to Addiction: Everything You Need to Know Now to Help Your Loved One and Yourself by Thomas Harrison and Hillary Connery, Ph.D., M.D.
The Family Addiction Guidebook by Thomas Harrison
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Aug 16, 2019 • 51min
100. Celebrating 100 Episodes
We are proud and grateful that we’ve made it to our 100th episode! Take a listen as Debbie, Diana, and Yael share behind-the-scenes bloopers, episode clips, and how Psychologists Off The Clock has changed our lives.
The podcast has been a labor of love for all of us. On the journey to our 100th episode, we have learned a lot about the art of podcasting, and about new strategies and science within the field of psychology. We have welcomed renowned psychologists and writers, explored a variety of important topics, and shared personal and professional practices that we use to flourish. Join us in celebrating and reflecting on lessons learned in our first 100 episodes!
Listen to hear Debbie, Diana, and Yael discuss:
How and why we started the podcast.
What happens behind the scenes (loud children, technical glitches, and guests we admire to the point of verbal paralysis).
Which episodes we use most in our own daily lives, and which episodes we have recommended to our clients and friends.
Some of the Many Episodes We’ve Recommended To Clients and Friends:
7. Insomnia: Strategies to Stop Struggling with Sleep with Dr. Alisha Brosse
36. Weight Loss Strategies From Acceptance And Commitment Therapy With Dr. Jason Lillis
41. Kissing The Frog: How To Establish a Morning Routine
43. Willpower With Dr. Kelly McGonigal
44. Anxiety Happens with Dr. John Forsyth
51. The Psychology of Political Division
62. Language, Suffering, and Meaning with Dr. Matthieu Villatte
77. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy with Dr. Jill Stoddard
78. The Self-Driven Child with Dr. William Stixrud
79. Thriving In Adolescence with Dr. Louise Hayes
82. Clinician's Corner: Therapist Self-Doubt with Jim Lucas
91. Disability as a Form of Diversity with Dr. Erin Andrews
92. Marriage in Midlife: The Rough Patch with Dr. Daphne de Marneffe
The three of us—Diana, Debbie, and Yael—want to extend our gratitude to listeners, for both listening and for providing us with terrific feedback. Thank you so much for making this a worthwhile venture!
Here we are, recording our big 100th episode! (Clockwise from upper left: Diana, Debbie, and Yael)
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Aug 3, 2019 • 49min
99. Make the Most of Your Time with Laura Vanderkam
Time is arguably our most valuable resource, and yet we often don’t manage, allocate, or savor it effectively. In this episode, Debbie talks with Laura Vanderkam, author of several books on time management and productivity, about strategies to make time feel more abundant, memorable, and enjoyable.
Listen and Learn:
Tips for savoring and stretching out pleasure in the passage of time
How to best optimize time by prioritizing your core competencies
Why effortful fun trumps effortless fun
The benefits of keeping a time log for a week
About Laura Vanderkam:
Laura Vanderkam is the author of time management and productivity books, including Juliet’s School of Possibilities, Off the Clock, I Know How She Does It, What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast, and 168 Hours. Her work has appeared in publications including the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Fast Company, and Fortune. She is the host of the podcast Before Breakfast and the co-host, with Sarah Hart-Unger, of the podcast Best of Both Worlds. She lives outside Philadelphia with her husband and four children, and blogs at LauraVanderkam.com.
Resources:
Laura’s Books:
168 Hours: You Have More Time Than You Think
I Know How She Does It: How Successful Women Make the Most of Their Time
What the Most Successful People Do Before Breakfast
Off the Clock: Fell Less Busy While Getting More Done
Juliet’s School of Possibilities
Laura’s Podcasts:
Before Breakfast
Best of Both Worlds, co-hosted by Sarah Hart-Unger
Laura’s Website, where you can find her blog and time logs - fill one out for yourself!
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Jul 23, 2019 • 56min
98. Narcissism with Avigail Lev and Robyn Walser
Whether it’s your boss, your client, or a family member, interactions with a narcissist can be challenging. Narcissism can present as obvious grandiosity and self-importance but also shows up in more insidious and subtle ways. Covert forms of narcissism make interpersonal interactions confusing and difficult to understand, and can elicit self-doubt, guilt, and even a sense of “going crazy” in others.
In this episode, Drs. Avigail Lev and Robyn Walser delve into a rich discussion on the different types of narcissism, how to spot a narcissist, and how to protect yourself and/or clients from covert forms of this personality trait.
Listen and Learn:
Signs you may be interacting with a highly narcissistic person.
“Gaslighting” and how to spot it.
Strategies for dealing effectively with the narcissistic people in your life.
Whether or not people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder can be treated in psychotherapy.
Resources:
Recorded Online training: ACT For Victims of Narcissistic Abuse by Drs. Lev and Walser
Books about narcissism:
https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Free-Expanded-Emotionally-Relationships/dp/0425279995/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=H943HC0BLUJA&keywords=psychopath+free&qid=1649117574&sprefix=psychopath+free%2Caps%2C118&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/NARCISSISTS-SECRETS-Know-things-they-ebook/dp/B01ITFG65U/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=KYO8L249D544&keywords=The+narcissists+secrets&qid=1649117955&sprefix=the+narcissists+secrets%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Charm-Harm-Everything-Narcissist-Narcissistic/dp/1523820179/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3ACAZAPTX4I9D&keywords=from+charm+to+harm&qid=1649118029&sprefix=from+charm+to+harm%2Caps%2C138&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Narcissists-Nightmare-Narcissist-Supplying/dp/B01MFGC6KI/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=1UGJ3XQAYBR5R&keywords=The+narcissist+nightmare&qid=1649117614&sprefix=the+narcissist+nightmare%2Caps%2C129&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/STOP-Dancing-Gaslight-Recognize-Domestic-ebook/dp/B00GBJANJM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=23N3UFG1FA698&keywords=Stop+dancing+in+the+gaslight&qid=1649117642&sprefix=stop+dancing+in+the+gaslight%2Caps%2C85&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Human-Magnet-Syndrome-Codependent-Narcissist/dp/168350867X/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3J74EFMA9VUD5&keywords=human+magnet+syndrome&qid=1649117705&sprefix=human+magnet+syndrome%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Why-Does-He-That-Controlling/dp/0425191656/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1H7C23AJ3VM65&keywords=why+does+he+do+that&qid=1649117860&sprefix=Why+does+he+do+that%2Caps%2C112&sr=8-3
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=psychopaths+and+love&crid=13Z162P3WYFT3&sprefix=psychopaths+in+love%2Caps%2C96&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_19
Books on narcissism written by narcissists:
https://www.amazon.com/Malignant-Self-Love-Narcissism-Sam-Vaknin/dp/8023833847/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=2SAQYQ4CJQZBR&keywords=malignant+self+love&qid=1649117508&sprefix=malignant+self+love%2Caps%2C83&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Fuel-H-G-Tudor/dp/1535383550/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?adgrpid=58809104609&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0_SxlNH79gIVdgaICR0XuggKEAAYASAAEgJnnPD_BwE&hvadid=274736472700&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9012130&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=b&hvrand=4742615707929732414&hvtargid=kwd-341301954950&hydadcr=22220_10176634&keywords=hg+tudor+books&qid=1649117436&sr=8-5
https://www.amazon.com/Psychopath-Inside-Neuroscientists-Personal-Journey/dp/1617230154/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3OT4Q20KWFVWS&keywords=The+psychopath+within&qid=1649117538&sprefix=the+psychopath+within%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1
About Avigail Lev & Robyn Walser:
Avigail Lev, PsyD, is a psychotherapist, author, and executive coach in the Bay Area. She is the director of the Bay Area CBT Center, a clinic in San Francisco and Oakland that provides Cognitive Behavioral Therapy for individuals and couples.
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Jul 12, 2019 • 51min
97. The New Happiness with Matthew McKay
What comes to mind when you think of happiness? Joy? Pleasure? A sense of fulfillment? While these states of happiness may make us feel truly wonderful, they are temporary and context-specific. Join us for a discussion about the core components of the “New Happiness,” a path for finding a deep and lasting sense of contentment that springs from discovering and acting upon one’s personal spiritual values.
In this inspirational and heartfelt episode, Dr. Matthew McKay, an expert psychologist, professor, and accomplished author provides a fresh perspective on how to cultivate lasting happiness based on psychological research and spiritual wisdom. He also explains the importance of acting on love. Always.
Listen and Learn:
What role can spirituality play in happiness?
How to achieve genuine happiness based on spiritual values and actions
The importance of service values and self-growth values, and why both are necessary to experience a deep sense of connection and happiness
How moments of choice and pain serve us on the path toward happiness
How to love in the face of loss and change
Resources:
Article Diana sent her psychology tribe: “How to be Happy? A Nearly 90-Year-Old Has Some Advice,”article in Glamour Magazine
What Debbie is reading to her kids: Lulu is Getting a Sister: (Who WANTS Her? Who NEEDS Her?) by Judith Viorst
Watch and read more about Dr. Sonia Lyubomirsky’s Pie Chart of Happiness here and here
Read about 5 Gates of Grief here: The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief by Francis Weller
ACT and Process-Based CBT with Dr. Steven Hayes, “Psychologists off the Clock” Episode
Process-Based CBT: The Science and Core Clinical Competencies of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy edited by Steven C. Hayes and Stefan G. Hofmann
About Dr. McKay:
Matthew McKay, Ph.D., is a professor of psychology at the Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA and co-director of the Bay Area Trauma Recovery Clinic with Dr. Robyn Walser. He also co-founded Haight Ashbury Psych Services, a low-fee community clinic, in San Francisco, CA and is the publisher and co-founder of New Harbinger Publications. Dr. McKay specializes in cognitive-behavioral approaches to treating anxiety and depression and co-developed numerous ACT-based protocols, including ACT for interpersonal disorders, ACT for couples, ACT for anger problems, and ACT for spiritual growth.
Dr. McKay is also an accomplished writer, having authored and co-authored several books including The New Happiness: Practices for Spiritual Growth and Living with Intention, The Dialectical Behavior Therapy Skills Workbook, The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook, Self-Esteem, Thoughts, and Feelings, When Anger Hurts, and ACT on Life Not on Anger. Dr. McKay received his Ph.D. in clinical psychology from the California School of Professional Psychology.
Books by Dr. McKay:
The New Happiness: Practices for Spiritual Growth and Living with Intention by Jeffery C. Wood and Matthew McKay
ACT on Life Not on Anger by Georg H. Eifert, Matthew McKay, and John P. Forsyth
The Dialectical Behavioral Therapy Skills Workbook by Matthew McKay, Jeffery C. Wood, Jeffery Brantley
The Relaxation and Stress Reduction Workbook by Martha Davis, Elizabeth Robbins Eshelman, and Matthew McKay
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Jul 6, 2019 • 1h 1min
96. Effective Conversations About Diversity with Anatasia Kim and Alicia del Prado
Discussions of diversity issues are more critical than ever. And yet, conversations about these topics can be difficult, polarizing, and ineffective, leading to anger and hurt on both sides.
In this episode, Debbie interviews Dr. Anatasia Kim and Dr. Alicia del Prado about their new book It's Time to Talk (and Listen): How to Have Constructive Conversations About Race, Class, Sexuality, Ability, and Gender in a Polarized World. Drs. Kim and del Prado offer a glimpse into their practical eight-step approach, the Kim Constructive Conversations Model. This approach can help listeners have difficult conversations by talking authentically about issues related to culture and diversity.
If you’ve ever had discussions about diversity issues with co-workers, family, or friends that led to anger or frustration, this episode is for you!
Listen and Learn:
Why conversations about diversity issues can be so painful and challenging.
Why we might sometimes choose not to speak up about diversity issues, and why sometimes it’s worth the effort.
How values-guided conversations can promote healing.
How to set an effective tone in a conversation and how to raise difficult issues while maintaining the relationship.
Ways to respond to valid emotions (like fear and anger) without losing effectiveness.
About Drs. Kim and del Prado:
Anatasia S. Kim, Ph.D., is a tenured associate professor at The Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA, where she also has a private practice specializing in treating adolescents and young adults. She is a National Ronald McNair Scholar and the recipient of numerous awards, including the American Psychological Association Minority Fellowship, Okura Mental Health Fellowship, and APAGS Guardian of Psychology Award. Kim has served as president of the Alameda County Psychological Association, chair of the California Psychological Association (CPA) Immigration Task Force, and diversity delegate of the CPA. She has presented and published in the areas of cultural competency and training, immigration, women of color in academia, and more.
Alicia del Prado, Ph.D., is a tenured associate professor at The Wright Institute in Berkeley, CA, and a licensed counseling psychologist with a private practice in Danville, CA. She has published numerous journal articles and chapters on cross-cultural psychology, personality, acculturation, and ethnic identity, including the first enculturation scale for Filipino Americans. She provides consultation and training on multicultural issues to companies and colleges. Del Prado is chair and co-founder of the Asian American Psychology Association’s (AAPA) Division on Asian Americans with Multiple Heritages and was awarded both the Alameda County Psychological Association’s Janet Hurwich Award and the AAPA Okura Community Leadership Award.
To Purchase The Book: It's Time to Talk (and Listen): How to Have Constructive Conversations About Race, Class, Sexuality, Ability & Gender in a Polarized World
Resources:
Dr. Kim’s webpages: https://anatasiakim.com/ and https://www.wi.edu/psyd-faculty-anatasia-kim
Dr. del Prado’s webpages: http://www.drdelprado.com/ and https://www.wi.edu/psyd-faculty-alicia-del-prado
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Jun 28, 2019 • 60min
95. Healing Racial Trauma with Kristee Haggins
Racism is a public health crisis with deep, ongoing negative impacts on psychological and physical health. In this episode, Dr. Kristee Haggins, an African centered psychologist, discusses how to support healing racial trauma. Dr. Haggins describes how black people can connect with the truth of their history, cultivate healing, and make choices that are good for themselves, their families, and larger communities. Dr. Haggins also offers recommendations for the work that those who do not identify as black can do to promote racial healing and change.
Listen and Learn:
How do you know if you or someone you care about is experiencing racial trauma and stress? Effective healing and self-care practices that black communities are using to heal together Internal and collective “work” white and other non-black people can do to promote systematic and grassroots change Ways in which mental health professionals can better meet the needs of black and other diverse communities
About Dr. Haggins:
Dr. Kristee Haggins is a community healer, African centered psychologist and professor who takes a holistic approach to healing mind, body, spirit, and community. She is a founding member of Safe Black Space Community Healing Circles and is committed to promoting health and wellness particularly in the Black community.
Dr. Haggins studied Psychology as an undergraduate at the University of Southern California where she received a B.A. with honors. She earned her M.A. and Ph.D. in Counseling Psychology from The Ohio State University.
Dr. Haggins has had a multifaceted career as a clinician, educator, consultant, trainer and university administrator. Currently, she is a professor at California Northstate University and at Alliant International University, Sacramento where she teaches courses in multicultural counseling and therapy skills.
Dr. Haggins has expertise in racial stress and trauma; African American mental health; multicultural psychology/diversity issues; and spirituality and mental health. She offers training and tailored workshops and consultation in these areas, in addition to others upon request.
In 2016 she was awarded the Community Healing Award by the Community Healing Network (CHN) for her collaboration with CHN and the Association of Black Psychologists.
Resources:
Safe Black Space Community Healing CirclesAssociation of Black PsychologistsThe Racial Healing Handbook by Annelise SinghSomebody Told a Lie One Day quote by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
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Jun 20, 2019 • 1h 2min
94. Parenthood in the Age of Fear with Kim Brooks
Do worries about your kids’ safety dominate your parenting choices? How often do you feel pressured to make parenting choices as a result of judgment from others? We are parenting in an age of overwhelming fear and constant judgment. Understanding how we got here, what the dangers really are (and are not), and how we can parent more courageously and wisely, can help us to better navigate parenting in the modern age.
In this episode, Kim Brooks, author of Small Animals: Parenthood in the Age of Fear, joins Yael and offers deep wisdom in parenting well in the current cultural climate.
Listen and Learn:
Why parenting culture has devolved into fearWhat some of the important dangers are, and which common worries are not worthy of the attention we give themWhy we judge parents, particularly mothers, so harshlyHow to become a more brave and effective parent in this cultural milieu
About Kim Brooks
Kim Brooks is the author of Small Animals: Parenthood In the Age of Fear. Small Animals was an NPR Best Book of the Year and described by National Book Review as “an impassioned, smart work of social criticism and a call for support and empathy.” Kim’s writing has appeared in NYT, NY Magazine, Salon, and Buzzfeed. Kim has appeared on CBS This Morning, GMA, NPR’s All Things Considered, 20/20, among others.
Resources
Small Animals: Parenthood in the Age of Fear, by Kim BrooksKim’s WebsiteFollow Kim on TwitterMotherhood in the Age of Fear, New York Times essay by Kim BrooksWhat a Horrible Mother, Salon essay by Kim Brooks
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Jun 12, 2019 • 57min
93. Effective Weight Loss with Evan Forman
If you struggle with maintaining a healthy weight, it’s not your fault. Evolutionary biology, our obeseogenic environment, and psychological barriers make weight loss challenging. In this episode, Dr. Evan Forman, a senior researcher, and expert on obesity, offers cutting edge strategies that incorporate acceptance-based and behavioral skills to change your eating behaviors for good.
Listen And Learn:
Change your relationship with shame, stress, and other emotions that drive overeating and underexercisingNot waste your resources fighting what you cannot controlHow psychological acceptance enhances self-monitoring of food intake and weightHow to sustain motivation by clarifying values and cultivating willingnessStrategies to enhance stability and habit formation to lose and maintain weight loss
About Dr. Forman:
Evan Forman, Ph.D, is a professor of psychology and the founding director of the Center for Weight, Eating and Lifestyle Science, or the WELL Center, at Drexel University. His research focuses on evaluating novel behavioral and technology-based approaches to treating obesity and weight loss. His recent research includes Mind Your Health, an NIH-funded study assessing an innovative acceptance-based behavioral treatment (ABT) for obesity. Dr. Forman also evaluates technological-based approaches such as computerized neurocognitive training, smartphone technology, and Artificial Intelligence to optimize weight control. His research has been supported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) for over 10 years. Dr. Forman has authored nearly 150 publications, including Effective Weight Loss, a set of books for clinicians and clients that is a part of the Oxford Press’s “Treatments that Work” series.
Resources:
Center for Weight, Eating and Lifestyle Science, or the WELL Center, at Drexel UniversityEffective Weight Loss by Evan FormanPsychologists Off The Clock interview on The Hungry Brain with Dr. Stephan GuyenetPsychologists Off the Clock Interview on Body Image with Dr. Emily Sandoz
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May 31, 2019 • 56min
92. Marriage in Midlife: The Rough Patch with Daphne de Marneffe
Is your marriage rewarding or is it feeing a bit mundane? Has sex become lifeless or non-existent? Do you miss the person you used to be before marriage? It is common for most long-term relationships to hit a “rough patch” during the mid-life years. What does it take to weather the rough patch and end up with a supportive, lasting marriage?
In this episode, author and couples therapist Dr. Daphne de Marneffe discuss her new book, The Rough Patch: Marriage and the Art of Living Together, with Yael. Daphne offers us wisdom in overcoming marital challenges, Including challenges in our sexual relationships. Listen and discover new and helpful ways to understand and engage in your marriage!
Listen to hear more about:
Why rough patches are inevitable in long-term committed relationshipsWhy sex matters but at times is so challenging during the long haulWays to approach differences in sexual desireWhether or not to worry about fantasies and crushes outside the marriageThe difference between secrecy and privacy in marriage
About Dr. de Marneffe
Dr. Daphne De Marnefe
Dr. de Marneffe completed her graduate work at UC Berkeley and her work has been published in academic journals, as well as in the popular press, including the New York Times. She is a contributing editor to Parents Magazine and writes a regular column on couple relationships.
Dr. Daphne de Marneffe joins us to discuss her book, The Rough Patch: Marriage and the Art of Living Together. Her previous book, Maternal Desire: On Children, Love, and the Inner Life explores the role of child-rearing in women’s lives.
Resources
The Rough Patch: Marriage and the Art of Living Together, by Daphne de MarneffeDaphne’s New York Times pieceDaphne’s talk at GoogleDaphne’s websiteMaternal Desire: On Children, Love, and the Inner Life, by Daphne de Marneffe
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