Holy Shift
Holy Shift with Collin Mayjack
Nobody goes to seminary to become an ex-pastor. It wasn't a part of the plan, and there's no roadmap.
We’re rebuilding our lives and careers from scratch. No one should have to take that journey alone… and that's why we're building Holy Shift.
Holy Shift is a podcast for ex-pastors and ministry leaders navigating life and work after ministry.
Tune in every other week for honest stories, experiences, and advice from ex-pastors who've made the career jump.
Hosted by Collin Mayjack
We’re rebuilding our lives and careers from scratch. No one should have to take that journey alone… and that's why we're building Holy Shift.
Holy Shift is a podcast for ex-pastors and ministry leaders navigating life and work after ministry.
Tune in every other week for honest stories, experiences, and advice from ex-pastors who've made the career jump.
Hosted by Collin Mayjack
Episodes
Mentioned books
8 snips
Dec 17, 2024 • 48min
#14 - Christmas Eve Stories
Andreas Rodriguez, ex-staff leader now a real estate appraiser, recalls a packed Christmas Eve that risked fire-code trouble. Joseph Peterson, former pastor turned video producer, shares a tense story after filling in on drums. John Gerton, 17-year ministry veteran now in video marketing, tells of staging freezing outdoor COVID services. Short, sharp tales of chaotic services, conflict, and post-ministry holiday shifts.
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Dec 4, 2024 • 1h 3min
#13 - PIPs, panic attacks, and copywriting with Charlie Sells (Clarity Over Everything)
Charlie Sells, founder of Clarity Over Everything and former youth pastor, walks through his move from ministry into copywriting. He recalls panic during interviews, translating pastoral communication into marketing skills, and building a clarity-focused agency. Short, candid stories about leaving with no plan, finding peer camaraderie, and practical writing practices make for a compelling conversation.
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Nov 20, 2024 • 1h 3min
#12 - Entrepreneurship and Choosing to Stay with Ben Crandall (Banner Coffee Co)
Ben Crandall, owner of Banner Coffee Co and former worship and youth pastor, left ministry to build a specialty coffee shop. He talks about launching during COVID, choosing a multi-roaster model, learning business through mentors and spreadsheets, and balancing church ties while running a cafe. Short, candid stories about the highs, lows, and boundary-setting of entrepreneurship.
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Nov 7, 2024 • 1h 1min
#11 - High proof preaching & the inner voice with Jordan Hughes (@highproofpreacher)
Jordan Hughes, aka High Proof Preacher, is a content creator who turned cocktail passion into a business. He talks about leaving church ministry, finding community in hospitality, and starting a cocktail brand. He shares the realities of monetizing a hobby and learning to trust his inner voice.
Oct 23, 2024 • 51min
#10 - "This is not okay. I am not okay." with Kaitlynn Wagner (former pastor at Christ Church of the Valley)
What if ministry is making your hair fall out?
In this episode we sat down with Kaitlynn Wagner (former pastor at Christ Church of the Valley) to talk through:
The anxiety that pushed her out of ministry
Moving to a new city after leaving ministry
and her path to becoming a therapist.
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This episode is edited and produced by Fohrm Studio.
The song in this episode is "Gypsy Queen" by RÓSA.
Oct 9, 2024 • 56min
#9 - Pop punk, pastoring, and product marketing with Anthony Pierri (FletchPMM, Good Hangs)
What does pastoring have to do with pop punk and product marketing?
In this episode Collin sat down with Anthony Pierri (FletchPMM, Good Hangs) to chat through:
- Anthony's journey into (and out of) ministry,
- tech product marketing,
- being an Enneagram 3,
- and the unexpected ministry of Good Hangs (@goodhangsband)
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This episode was edited and produced by Fohrm Studio.
The songs featured in this episode are "Gypsy Queen" by RÓSA and "Shoot Our Way Out" by Good Hangs
Sep 25, 2024 • 50min
#8 - The ministry magnifying glass with Andres Rodriguez (The Village Church)
In this episode Collin sits down with his friend Andres Rodriguez (former pastor at the Village Church turned real estate appraiser) to talk about:
- performance and power dynamics in ministry,
- in groups and out groups,
- and finding community after ministry
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This episode was edited and produced by Fohrm Studio.
The song featured in this episode is "Gypsy Queen" by RÓSA
Sep 4, 2024 • 1h 1min
#7 - You Can't Speed Up Grief with Matthias Barker (Therapist, Co-Founder of The Trauma Institute)
Matthias Barker, therapist and co-founder of The Trauma Institute, shares his shift from vocational ministry into clinical psychology. He talks about homesickness after leaving ministry, the crisis that broke his trust in leadership, and how grief unfolded slowly. Conversations cover therapy as a calling, social media pressures, and the hard work of giving yourself permission to grieve patiently.
Aug 21, 2024 • 1h 1min
#6 - Ministry, ambition, and the plastic self – Cass Curry (LinkedIn, ex-Willow Creek)
What if leaving ministry meant you could be your true self?
In this episode, Collin sits down with Cass Curry (Account Executive at LinkedIn) to talk about:
In-N-Out Burger
Cass’ journey from Willow Creek to LinkedIn
ambition
and showing up as your true, whole self.
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This episode of Holy Shift was edited and produced by Fohrm Studio.
The song featured in the episode is "Gypsy Queen" by RÓSA
Aug 7, 2024 • 45min
#5 - "My loyalty isn't to my job" with Conner Smith (Account Executive at Limble)
What do you do when your loyalty isn't to your job anymore?
In this episode Collin sits down with Conner Smith (Account Executive at Limble) to talk about:
Conner’s journey from SDR to AE in 6 months
Finding and living your “why” after ministry
And dreaming small
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This episode of Holy Shift was edited and produced by Fohrm Studio.
The song featured in the episode is "Gypsy Queen" by RÓSA
