

The Modern Therapist's Survival Guide with Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy
Curt Widhalm, LMFT and Katie Vernoy, LMFT
The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide: Where Therapists Live, Breathe, and Practice as Human Beings It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when clinicians must develop a personal brand to market their private practices, and are connecting over social media, engaging in social activism, pushing back against mental health stigma, and facing a whole new style of entrepreneurship. To support you as a whole person, a business owner, and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.
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May 14, 2018 • 31min
Toxic Work Environments
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about:
How therapists can create toxic work environments for themselves and their teams
How therapists can make poor managers (and some suggestions on how to improve)
How to change your environment and when to leave it
How to assess if it is you, your work culture, or both
What makes an environment toxic: unclear or unreasonable expectations, lack of communication, illegal activities, predatory practices toward prelicensed individuals, gas lighting, too much venting
How to advocate (when you can)
What to do when you feel like you can’t leave
Coping strategies when you can’t leave right away (setting boundaries, avoiding the people who are always complaining, asking for what you need)
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Situational Leadership ModelOther Episodes Mentioned:Giving and Getting Good SupervisionGetting the Supervision You WantOur events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

May 7, 2018 • 35min
Delegating Virtually Anything
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Uriah Guilford, MFTUriah Guilford is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, the owner of Guilford Family Counseling and the mastermind behind The Productive Therapist, a business that provides virtual assistants to therapy practice owners. He is a technology enthusiast, productivity nerd and a pretty rad drummer. Uriah is always searching for creative ways to provide counseling to youth and families as well as help therapists to get more done, while working less.You can learn more about Uriah’s businesses here: www.productivetherapist.com and www.guilfordfamilycounseling.comIn this episode we talk about:
Improving efficiency through automation, delegation, and elimination
Differences between an in-person versus a virtual assistant
Managing Virtual Assistants (VAs) using technology
What therapists should delegate first
What to look for in a VA (qualities of successful VAs)
What skills to require and what you can train on
How to make the transition into delegating to a VA
The productivity dip that can happen when you hire someone
The issues and the best practices in adding a team member
Becoming efficient with templates and processes
Getting really good at delegating
What we should be doing – working on the business, CEO strategic thinking, client care
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Uriah’s new Virtual Assistant company: The Productive Therapist – mention the podcast to get 2 hours of free VA services Zoom Video ConferencingSimplePracticetodoistQuip.comTrelloAsanaGoogle DocsUseloom.com Alexa/Amazon Echo Our events:The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 30, 2018 • 33min
Referrals Done Right
Reimagine the role of a therapist in today's world. Learn why timely responses to callers matter and discover effective strategies for navigating in-network referrals. Explore the legal and ethical responsibilities around referrals, including the risks of kickbacks. Understand the importance of maintaining call logs to protect yourself legally. Finally, get insights on effective networking and the distinction between genuine recommendations and mere mentions, all while prioritizing client needs.

Apr 23, 2018 • 35min
The Brand Called You
WE HEARD YOU AND WE’RE MOVING TO ONE EPISODE A WEEK!ALSO… LISTEN TO THIS EPISODE NOW TO HEAR OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITY MEMBER CODE TO GET EXTENDED EARLY BIRD PRICING THROUGH FRIDAY 4/27/18 ON OUR LAW AND ETHICS WORKSHOP MAY 18TH, 2018!!It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about:
The definition of Personal Branding and what it means for therapists
How to use your authentic voice
How to identify how best to present yourself
How you come across to others, especially to clients
Answering the question, what do I offer?
The danger of mimicking others
Professional bios versus authentic connection
Your professional persona
Why it is important to really represent who you are as a therapist
Ethical reasons to embrace your style (and communicate it well)
How to take off the blank screen or blank slate, looking at the self-exploration that’s needed
How our experiences and our values can impact treatment
Relevant ethics codes related to choosing who you work with, embracing your skill set, and rejecting clients based on demographics
What to put on your website
How fear can get in the way of effectively reaching your clients
How personal branding is the antidote to being “too niched.”
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Dr. Ben Caldwell’s Book Saving PsychotherapyOther Episodes Mentioned:Bad Marketing DecisionsWhat is a Modern TherapistAre You Sure You’re a Specialist?How Much is Too Much?Building the Psyko Therapist BrandThe Fight to Save PsychotherapyTherapists in Therapy Our events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 19, 2018 • 34min
Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of PrelicensedRobin Andersen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT 100070), the Founder of Prelicensed, the Business Development Manager for TrackYourHours and TrackYourCEUs, and the President of the San Diego North County Chapter of CAMFT. She is passionate about supporting prelicensed MFTs and enjoys focusing on numerous aspects of the MFT field, including entrepreneurship, leadership, and advocacy. Robin strives to create resources that serve the MFT community and move the profession forward. You can learn more about her current and upcoming projects (including the Psychotherapy Forums) by visiting her website.In this episode we talk about:
Why she started prelicensed.com and explaining her other current projects, trackyourhours and trackyourceus
Robin’s assessment of the gaps in the field for students, trainees, and associates
The #postthepay campaign and how prelicensed individuals can navigate job searching
The different explanations Robin has heard about why people don’t pay interns and associates
The importance of getting mentorship
Getting and giving support and mentorship
How to advocate as a prelicensed individual
How prelicensed individuals can get in their own way
Robin’s best tips for successfully moving forward in the career
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Prelicensed
Job Search
Blog Articles, including:
"Does Non-Bilingual Mean Non-Employable?"
"An Attendee's Guide to BBS Board Meetings"
TrackYourCEUsTrackYourHours Dr. Ben CaldwellCAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)AAMFT (American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)BBS (Board of Behavioral Sciences) Our events:The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 16, 2018 • 35min
Therapists In Therapy
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about:
How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist)
The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it
The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist
Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist
Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school
Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client
The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Articles: Counselling psychologists' perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development--an exploratory study Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations” Therapy for TherapistsOther Episodes Mentioned:Bad Marketing DecisionsFinding Your Blind SpotsBe a Better TherapistOur events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 12, 2018 • 38min
The 4-1-1 on Your 401K
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Interview with Katrina Soelter, CFPKatrina Strelow Soelter is a Financial Advisor with the Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group of Wells Fargo Advisors. She received her undergraduate degree at UC Berkeley in Philosophy and German. After graduation, she taught elementary school in the Bay Area, during which time she received her MA from Loyola Marymount University. Motivated by her interest in personal finance and her passion for helping individuals define and achieve the life they want, she changed careers and began working with The Zeutzius, Hutchinson, Sosa Wealth Management Group at Wells Fargo Advisors in 2013. She attended UCLA extension for her CFP® coursework and is a proud CFP® practitioner.She enjoys exploring the different LA neighborhoods, reading a good book, finding local coffee shops, and giving back to her community. She volunteers as a mentor with the Fulfillment Fund and participates with the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, organizations that are close to her heart. She is a member of the Financial Planning Association of Los Angeles, the Cal Alumni Association, and an activator with SheEO.In this episode we talk about:
Why people should invest their money
How to prioritize and balance paying down debt (like student loans) with investing early for retirement and purchasing a home
Thinking about your savings in buckets (long-term retirement, emergency fund, fun/intermediate planning)
Retirement account options, including the advantages of different retirement plans (SEP, Simple)
Self-directed investing (like Vanguard, Robo-advisors) and target date funds versus actively managed investing with a professional advisor
The differences between stocks and bonds and the importance of understanding the allocation of each within your investments
Fees to be aware of when investing
How and when to consult a professional financial advisor/certified financial planner
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Getting a hold of Katrina:Katrina.Soelter@wfadvisors.comwww.zhswealthmanagementgroup.comOur events:The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 10, 2018 • 36min
Our Take on Texts
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.In this episode we talk about:
A disciplinary action related to a therapist accidentally texting her client with something the client found offensive
An argument made related to whether or not therapists should ever text with their clients
Informed consent related to texting (including when your signed consent doesn’t protect you)
Why it is important to think closely about anything you’re putting out there in texts, social media, or any written communication
How to manage boundaries related to potentially being available 24/7 when your clients text
How to discuss with your client any missteps with boundaries
Telehealth considerations
Password protecting your phone
Decreasing your liability by making sure you’re HIPAA compliant
Email mistakes that aren’t really protected by your email disclaimer
All the nuances that can be misunderstood while texting – emojis, punctuation, abbreviations
How to handle private messaging on social media
How to engage in our Facebook Group
Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.California Board of Behavioral SciencesDisciplinary Actions by the CA BBSOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide GroupArticles: The Legalities and Ethics of Texting Your Psychotherapy Clients Psychotherapy by emoji: Mental health community wrestles with texting Text therapy: once my therapist sent me an emoji, I knew it was game overOther Episodes Mentioned:Making Your Paperwork MeaningfulOur events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comOur Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Grouphttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 5, 2018 • 37min
Building the “Psyko Therapist” Brand
It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.Embracing your own personal brand works when you own what you doUsing video can be an effective way of promoting mental wellnessVideo has built therapeutic relationship prior to patients coming in for the first sessionPulling in a lot of different identities works best when bringing it together with your passionEveryone has their own relationship with failureLivesteam failures and handling online trollsTherapists and other mental health professionals are the most critical of the crafted brandAdvertise where people are: social mediaHumor eases anxieties around mental health issuesTherapists underestimate the power of being themselvesBeing appropriately authenticFind your social support system to better yourself Resources mentioned:We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.Jax Anderson’s websiteThe Psyko therapist youtube channelThe Psyko therapist InstagramA Beautiful Journey ClinicJohn Mulaney Previous Episodes Mentioned:Bad Marketing DecisionsSocial Media and Video MarketingOur events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comhttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/

Apr 3, 2018 • 38min
Interview Strategies for Therapists
Episode 44: Interview Strategies for Therapists:Curt and Katie talk about Interviewing for Mental Health JobsIt’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age. In this episode, we discuss:-Filling out applications correctly-Phone screening process-Different types of interview structures-How to handle questions about theory or your practice style-What employers are looking for-Professionalism during the interview process-Deal breakers for employers-Extroverted vs introverted answersPrevious Episodes Mentioned:Getting a J-O-BOur events this year:The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal BrandThe Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!! Who we are:Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the Chief Financial Officer for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making "dad jokes" and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: www.curtwidhalm.comKatie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt's youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: www.katievernoy.comA Quick Note:Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey. Stay in Touch:www.mtsgpodcast.comwww.therapyreimagined.comhttps://www.facebook.com/therapyreimagined/https://twitter.com/therapymovementhttps://www.instagram.com/therapyreimagined/ Credits:Voice Over by DW McCann https://www.facebook.com/McCannDW/Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano http://www.crystalmangano.com/


