

Decoder with Nilay Patel
The Verge
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and what it all means for our shared future.
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Sep 4, 2019 • 47min
Recode Decode: "The Enlightened Capitalists" author James O'Toole.
James O'Toole, a professor emeritus at USC and author of "The Enlightened Capitalists," discusses the evolution of ethical leadership in business. He delves into historical figures like Robert Owen and the struggles modern CEOs face against shareholder primacy. O'Toole analyzes Whole Foods' John Mackey's battles with shareholders and the rise of legally binding ethical values among small companies. The conversation emphasizes the need for genuine corporate responsibility, balancing profit with social impact, especially in today's gig economy.

Sep 2, 2019 • 55min
Recode Decode: Psychologist Jennifer Eberhardt
Jennifer Eberhardt, a Stanford psychology professor and author of "Biased," dives into the origins and impacts of racial bias in society. She discusses how biases stem from both conscious and unconscious perceptions and highlights startling statistics on racial profiling in law enforcement. Eberhardt emphasizes technology’s role in reinforcing these biases while presenting a case study on how a social media platform significantly reduced racial profiling. Her insights propel the conversation on accountability and awareness in tackling prejudice.

Aug 30, 2019 • 1h 8min
Recode Decode: Lime president Joe Kraus
Joe Kraus, President of Lime, is a seasoned entrepreneur with a robust background in startups and venture capital. In this conversation, he shares Lime's evolution from bikes to electric scooters and the unbundling of car ownership. Kraus highlights the significant impact of scooters on urban transit and discusses the competitive landscape of the scooter-sharing market. He also addresses the challenges Lime faces amidst changing user preferences and his company's vision for public offerings, despite the rocky IPOs of rivals like Uber and Lyft.

Aug 28, 2019 • 58min
Recode Decode: Gro Intelligence CEO Sara Menker
Sara Menker, founder and CEO of Gro Intelligence, discusses her journey from Wall Street oil trading to revolutionizing agriculture with data and AI. She emphasizes the critical role of big data in improving farming practices and overcoming financial barriers faced by farmers. Menker highlights the impact of geopolitical events like the US-China trade war on agricultural markets. The conversation also touches on the complexities of fresh produce markets and the rise of meat alternatives, underscoring the need for innovation and diversity in the ag-tech industry.

Aug 26, 2019 • 46min
Recode Decode: Huawei's chief security officer in the US, Andy Purdy
Andy Purdy, Chief Security Officer for Huawei USA and a former official in the White House and Homeland Security, dives deep into the fraught U.S.-China tech relationship. He discusses the impacts of ongoing trade tensions on Huawei, as well as the escalating cybersecurity threats facing the U.S. Purdy advocates for better public-private collaboration to combat these threats. He also sheds light on the significant potential of 5G technology, addressing concerns over foreign tech ties and how they influence national security.

Aug 23, 2019 • 1h 6min
Recode Decode: CDA 230
In this discussion, Jeff Kosseff, an expert in cybersecurity law, delves into the intricacies of Section 230 and its profound impact on internet regulation. Lawyer Carrie Goldberg shares real-life experiences of online harassment, emphasizing the need for legal protections. Mike Masnick tackles the balance between innovation and accountability in tech platforms. The conversation also explores content moderation issues, highlighting the responsibilities of companies and the ongoing debates around free speech and online safety.

Aug 21, 2019 • 53min
Recode Decode: "Cult of the Dead Cow" author Joe Menn
Joe Menn, a technology reporter for Reuters and author of "Cult of the Dead Cow," dives into the world of hacking and cybercrime. He discusses the fascinating history of the Cult of the Dead Cow, America's oldest hacking group, and their surprising role in pushing tech giants like Microsoft to prioritize security. Menn reflects on the evolution of hacker culture, the implications of privacy concerns, and how hacktivism can be a force for good in today's digital landscape. His insights highlight the ongoing challenges in cybersecurity and the need for better regulations.

Aug 19, 2019 • 53min
Recode Decode: Index Ventures' Mike Volpi and Danny Rimer
Mike Volpi and Danny Rimer, co-founders of Index Ventures, dive into their venture capital journeys and the evolution of the tech landscape. They discuss how to balance the influx of capital with the need for diversity in tech. The conversation shifts to the urban mobility revolution, featuring scooters and autonomous driving. They also explore the disruptive potential in the beauty and fashion industries while addressing the challenges of over-empowered founders. With a global perspective, they emphasize that Silicon Valley is far from over.

Aug 16, 2019 • 1h
Recode Decode: Rep. Ro Khanna
Ro Khanna, U.S. Congressman for California's 17th district, dives into critical tech policy issues and the evolving landscape of privacy legislation. He discusses the pressing need for an Internet Bill of Rights and critiques the FTC's Facebook fine. Khanna also explores the balance between governmental regulation and free speech, the impact of foreign interference in elections, and the role of AI in healthcare. Additionally, he shares insights into the current political mood in Washington and the importance of inclusivity within the Democratic Party.

Aug 14, 2019 • 1h 5min
Recode Decode: Andreessen Horowitz's Scott Kupor
Scott Kupor, managing partner of Andreessen Horowitz and author of "Secrets of Sand Hill Road," dives into the intricate world of venture capital. He shares insights on what sets his firm apart and the trends shaping the future of investing. Discussion includes the importance of founder control, the dynamics of fundraising, and the push for diversity in VC. Kupor also explores the impact of tech regulation and foreign influence on the industry. This conversation reveals the hidden strategies and tales behind successful startups.


