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Why You Keep Repeating the Same Conflict Patterns | Diana Chapman

Mar 13, 2026

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Diana Chapman

Diana Chapman, leadership coach and co-author of The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership, who coaches founders and CEOs on trust and reducing reactivity. She explains the Drama Triangle and playful tools to shift conflict. She discusses sustaining long relationships with curiosity and play, the zone of genius versus excellence, and the value of fallow ground and quiet for midlife transformation.

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How The Drama Triangle Fuels Recycled Conflict

The Drama Triangle explains recurring conflict as circulating persecutor, victim, and rescuer roles driven by reactivity.
Diana tracks her own shifts (victim to hero) in real time to notice contraction and choose a different response.

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Play With Personas To Defuse Triggers

Personify triggering parts as personas and play with them so they don't run you.
Diana demonstrates by saluting her husband’s “Sergeant Carter” persona, which defuses control fights into playful exchanges.

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Adopt Commitments That Lower Reactivity

Practice commitments like radical responsibility, curiosity, and feeling to reduce reactivity.
Diana uses Byron Katie turnarounds and daily curiosity to avoid righteousness and welcomes emotions as data for choice.

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Diana's path to conscious leadership

01:58 • 4min

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Teach the Class: practical tool

05:30 • 2min

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The Drama Triangle and reactivity

07:04 • 1min

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Personas and playful awareness

08:30 • 2min

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Sustaining a long relationship

10:55 • 1min

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Core commitments of conscious leadership

12:02 • 4min

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No Drama Teams genesis

15:46 • 54sec

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Making conscious work a team sport

16:40 • 5min

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Coaching through crisis and exits

21:50 • 3min

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What makes a great coach

25:01 • 4min

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Zone of Genius versus excellence

29:10 • 4min

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Diana's midlife chrysalis

33:20 • 3min

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Chip's 'month I died' idea

36:23 • 3min

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Fallow ground and collective transformation

39:20 • 5min

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Wisdom in the age of AI

44:21 • 1min

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The Hokey Pokey as wisdom

45:31 • 3min

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Mutual appreciation and closing reflections

No Drama Teams is Diana Chapman's forthcoming book that translates conscious leadership principles into a practical playbook for teams. Co-written with Jim Dethmer and presented partially as a fictional parable about a biotech company, it shows how teams can recognize reactivity, shift from threat to trust, and practice skills together. The book aims to make conscious leadership a team sport by providing tools, language, and step-by-step practices leaders can use to reduce drama and build high-functioning cultures. Drawing on decades of coaching with founders and CEOs, the authors combine stories and actionable guidance to help teams sustain healthier dynamics. It was described in the episode as highly anticipated by publishers and targeted for release next year.

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The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership

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This book distinguishes between unconscious and conscious leadership, offering a roadmap to help leaders transition from fear-based to trust-based leadership. The 15 commitments outlined in the book aim to enhance self-awareness, accountability, and collaborative relationships. By practicing these commitments, leaders can achieve more energy, clarity, focus, and healthier relationships, both personally and within their teams. The commitments include ending blame and criticism, speaking candidly, finding unique genius, and creating win-for-all solutions, among others. The authors provide practical exercises and resources to help leaders implement these commitments effectively.

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This book explores the fundamental causes of team failure and organizational politics through a narrative about a fictional company, DecisionTech, Inc. It outlines five dysfunctions: absence of trust, fear of conflict, lack of commitment, avoidance of accountability, and inattention to results. The book provides practical advice and real-world examples to help teams overcome these dysfunctions and become high-performing teams.

Real growth rarely happens when life feels comfortable. It begins when we slow down, question our patterns, and face the deeper truths about how we live and lead.

In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley talks with Diana Chapman, leadership coach and co-author of The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership. Drawing from decades of coaching founders and CEOs, Diana shares practical wisdom on how awareness can transform relationships, leadership, and personal growth.

In this conversation, she explores:

How the Drama Triangle fuels conflict and how to step out of it
Why playfulness is essential in long-term relationships
The difference between your zone of excellence and your zone of genius
Why midlife transformation often requires quiet and surrender

The episode also turns deeply personal as Chip reflects on mortality, purpose, and stepping away from constant busyness to reconnect with what matters most.

Watch the full episode to explore what a true midlife chrysalis can look like.

Timestamps:

03:43 Diana’s path to conscious leadership

07:37 Teach the Class tool

09:03 The Drama Triangle explained

10:43 Personas and playful awareness in relationships

12:31 Lessons from a 44-year marriage

14:32 The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership

16:55 Conscious leadership in today’s polarized world

17:53 The new book No Drama Teams

22:05 Trust vs threat in team dynamics

24:26 Coaching leaders through crisis

27:53 What makes a great coach

33:10 Discovering your zone of genius

36:28 Diana’s midlife chrysalis experience

39:42 Chip’s idea for a “month of dying” retreat

44:20 Lessons from a founder facing death

46:04 The value of fallow ground and quiet time

47:18 Designing a life of aliveness

48:36 Wisdom vs knowledge in the age of AI

49:26 Diana’s wisdom bumper sticker

50:21 Childhood truth and trusting your inner knowing

52:30 Reflections on truth, growth, and love

55:17 Closing reflections and invitation to the workshop

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