Real growth rarely happens when life feels comfortable. It begins when we slow down, question our patterns, and face the deeper truths about how we live and lead.
In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley talks with Diana Chapman, leadership coach and co-author of The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership. Drawing from decades of coaching founders and CEOs, Diana shares practical wisdom on how awareness can transform relationships, leadership, and personal growth.
In this conversation, she explores:
- How the Drama Triangle fuels conflict and how to step out of it
- Why playfulness is essential in long-term relationships
- The difference between your zone of excellence and your zone of genius
- Why midlife transformation often requires quiet and surrender
The episode also turns deeply personal as Chip reflects on mortality, purpose, and stepping away from constant busyness to reconnect with what matters most.
Watch the full episode to explore what a true midlife chrysalis can look like.
Timestamps:
03:43 Diana’s path to conscious leadership
07:37 Teach the Class tool
09:03 The Drama Triangle explained
10:43 Personas and playful awareness in relationships
12:31 Lessons from a 44-year marriage
14:32 The 15 Commitments of Conscious Leadership
16:55 Conscious leadership in today’s polarized world
17:53 The new book No Drama Teams
22:05 Trust vs threat in team dynamics
24:26 Coaching leaders through crisis
27:53 What makes a great coach
33:10 Discovering your zone of genius
36:28 Diana’s midlife chrysalis experience
39:42 Chip’s idea for a “month of dying” retreat
44:20 Lessons from a founder facing death
46:04 The value of fallow ground and quiet time
47:18 Designing a life of aliveness
48:36 Wisdom vs knowledge in the age of AI
49:26 Diana’s wisdom bumper sticker
50:21 Childhood truth and trusting your inner knowing
52:30 Reflections on truth, growth, and love
55:17 Closing reflections and invitation to the workshop
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