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RWH026: Wealth & Health w/ Jason Karp

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Apr 23, 2023

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Jason Karp

In this engaging discussion, Jason Karp, a former hedge fund manager turned health and wellness advocate, shares his journey from financial success to personal fulfillment. He candidly reveals how his obsession with productivity led to severe health issues and a mental breakdown. Jason discusses his transformation, emphasizing the importance of diet, emotional well-being, and the benefits of confusing the body with varied stressors. He highlights the joy found in investing in health-focused companies and redefines success as a balance between wealth, health, and meaningful relationships.

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Fragile Foundation

Fear of mediocrity and a desire to prove others wrong can be powerful motivators but also create a fragile foundation for success.
Jason Karp's relentless drive stemmed from deep insecurities and a need for external validation.

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ANECDOTE

Health Crash

Karp's overachievement led to severe health issues like blindness, hair loss, and rashes, caused by extreme stress and poor lifestyle choices.
A doctor diagnosed him with dangerously high cortisol levels, the fight-or-flight hormone, and warned him about early death.

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ADVICE

Root Cause Focus

Address the root cause of ailments, not just symptoms, by adopting functional medicine, focusing on diet, sleep, and stress.
Karp cured his blindness and ailments by changing his diet and lifestyle but realized this didn't solve his core issues.

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In this episode, William Green talks with Jason Karp, a prodigiously talented investor & entrepreneur whom he also profiled in his book, “Richer, Wiser, Happier.” Jason founded Tourbillon Capital Partners, where he managed $4.5 billion. He then quit the hedge fund business & created HumanCo, a holding company that invests in the health & wellness sector. Here, he speaks with extraordinary candor about his relentless quest for financial & professional success, & how his obsession with overachievement almost destroyed him.

IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:

00:00 - Intro

04:27 - How Jason Karp switched from underachiever to “hyper-neurotic overachiever.”

09:32 - How his obsession with productivity devastated his health.

25:01 - How he transformed his health, healing diseases that seemed incurable.

35:34 - What he learned about how to eat well for health & longevity.

53:13 - Why it’s helpful to “confuse your body” with random stressors.

54:32 - How the best investors succeed by deferring gratification.

1:09:17 - How Jason simplifies his life to reduce the impact of “decision fatigue.”

1:13:37 - How he designed his hedge fund’s offices to promote productivity & good health.

1:25:08 - What’s helped him most in dealing with his mental health challenges.

1:25:25 - How he came to be suicidally depressed at the pinnacle of his investment career.

1:28:24 - How he thinks about money, family, happiness, & fulfillment.

1:29:24 - Why founding a health & wellness conglomerate brought him a new level of joy.

Disclaimer: Slight discrepancies in the timestamps may occur due to podcast platform differences.

BOOKS AND RESOURCES

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Jason Karp’s company, HumanCo.
Hu Chocolate brand co-created by Jason Karp.
Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers by Robert Sapolsky.
Undo It! by Dean Ornish M.D. & Anne Ornish
The Longevity Diet by Valter Longo.
Peter Attia’s book Outlive: The Science and Art of Longevity
Young Forever by Dr. Mark Hyman
Tara Brach’s book, “Radical Acceptance,” & her website.
How To Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan.
William Green’s book, “Richer, Wiser, Happier” – read the reviews of this book.

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