

The Co-Living Show
Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain
Co-living is one of the most misunderstood, and highest-potential, strategies in residential real estate investing. Most investors hear the buzzwords, see the cash-flow claims, and immediately assume it’s either too risky, too operationally intense, or too complicated to scale. The truth is simpler: coliving work exceptionally well when built on systems, governed by operational clarity, and executed like a real business, not a side hustle. The Co-Living Show exists to make that clarity accessible for serious professionals who want smarter returns without gambling on guesswork.Hosted by BiggerPockets authors Craig Curelop and Miller McSwain, The Co-Living Show goes far beyond surface-level real estate content. This is the only real estate investing podcast dedicated exclusively to the economics, operations, regulations, and strategic frameworks that drive high-density co-living and shared housing at scale. Whether you’re new to the model or a high-earning, time-poor professional seeking exposure to a sophisticated cash-flow real estate strategy without becoming an operator, this show delivers the confidence, understanding, and insight needed to invest intelligently.Each episode takes you inside the real-world systems behind co-living performance. You’ll hear from operators running multi-market portfolios, attorneys specializing in zoning and compliance, designers who understand space optimization and profitability, lenders financing room-by-room rental strategies, and property managers and city officials shaping the future of affordable housing innovation. You’ll also hear from the Co-Living Cash Flow Community, everyday investors solving operational challenges and executing the exact frameworks discussed on the show. 👉 Join the community: www.millermcswain.com/communityThere is no fluff here. No hype. No motivational noise. Every conversation is grounded in data, regulatory insight, operational logic, and investor-level clarity. Co-living is not “passive income.” It’s not a shortcut. It’s a system. And systems — when executed correctly — produce scalable, predictable returns that outperform traditional rental models. This is not speculative theory. It’s cash-flow real estate strategy in action.Craig brings acquisitions, underwriting, and market strategy. Miller brings operations, pricing systems, and standardization frameworks that make coliving scalable. Together, they deliver an operator’s perspective of an asset class most investors only see from the outside. As BiggerPockets authors, educators, and practitioners, they simplify complexity without diluting truth: coliving works, but only when done correctly.You’ll hear underwriting breakdowns, operator case studies, deal teardowns, regulatory realities, tenant strategy, market analysis, and the economic logic behind high-density residential investing. You’ll learn how to invest passively, partner with experienced operators, or simply understand the business model in depth, even if you never plan to manage a property yourself.The Co-Living Show does not claim co-living works. It proves when, why, and under what conditions it works.If you want confidence instead of conjecture, systems instead of speculation, and clarity instead of chaos, this is your source of truth for professional-grade residential real estate investing.Subscribe and join thousands of investors building deeper understanding, stronger portfolios, and smarter strategies, without wasting time on noise.This is the future of residential real estate investing. And now you’ll finally understand how it works.
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Mar 10, 2021 • 54min
Episode 24 - The Accidental House Hack To 63 Units In 4 Years With Bo Kim
Some things occur by chance but what matters is what you do with an opportunity when it comes. This is what Bo Kim, an accountant, did after he and his wife bought a three-bed, three-bath townhome in 2016. He discovered FIRE after his first real estate investment and then did his research—aligning everything he’s learned with his goal of cash flow—and took action.From knowing nothing about real estate investing just a few years ago to having 63 units across three markets, Bo is an example that you can do an extraordinary amount of things within just four or five years.Tune in this week to learn more about turnkey properties and providers, out-of-state rentals, creative financing strategies, and the importance of having a good team.

Mar 3, 2021 • 49min
Episode 23 - The House Hacking Fox Of New Jersey With Shawn McEnteer
Commitment and consistency—these are the words that Shawn McEnteer lives by. He stumbled upon BiggerPockets in 2008 and launched into his real estate journey—while learning on the fly! He may have made a few mistakes with his first investment (don’t we all!), but then that’s how we all learn! The experience definitely fueled his desire to do better, and now, he’s a residential real estate specialist based in New Jersey with four properties under his belt and counting!Shawn is the quintessential DIY guy, personally doing the renovations of his properties which are earning him almost $2,000 a month. He’s also a family guy, with four kids and an equally hard-working wife—the whole family throws down on renos! Tune in this week to see things from this investor’s point of view—how he turned bad experiences into learning moments, put in the work, and found the balance between spending time with family and growing the business.

Feb 24, 2021 • 55min
Episode 22 - On The Fast Track To FI With Cody Berman
Cody Berman only lasted seven months in a corporate banking job before he decided that enough was enough. He wanted to live his life now and not decades later, so he jumped into real estate investing and hasn’t looked back!Now, through hustling and frugality, he has three investment properties, an established blog, and he’s cash flow-positive—all before the age of 25.Tune in to this episode to learn how Cody went from learning about early retirement to becoming a financially independent serial entrepreneur. Stop sitting on your ideas, say yes to calculated opportunities, but don’t forget to maximize the good stuff in your life too.

Feb 17, 2021 • 41min
Episode 21 - From Grad School & W2 To House Hacking Success With Chris Gomes
This week Craig Curelop and Zeona McIntyre are joined by Chris Gomes, a mechanical engineer by day who learned about house hacking from us (!) The FI Team by night. We were super impressed with how quickly Chris succeeded with his very first house-hack — rocking it luxury style with his own private unit no less — by keeping a can-do attitude, putting a lot of time into learning so he could do it right, and trusting the process even when the next step seemed impossible!Give a listen to learn from his creativity AND mistakes for yet another great model for how anyone can build a life toward financial independence — even with the W2 and fresh out of grad school!

Feb 10, 2021 • 1h 4min
Episode 20 - Living The Travel Hacker FI Life W' Real Estate Investing NOW - Not Later! With Sarah Weaver
People tend to put a premium on travel, treating it as a reward after years of working hard and saving up. But thirty-year-old Sarah Weaver did the opposite—she’s been traveling the world for a decade AND found a way to sustain it through just two rental properties, credit card hacks, and her real estate business – that’s right, from abroad!In today’s inspiring show, Sarah shares her story: growing up in Kansas City, spending over a decade as a backpacker, still graduating on time, and getting into real estate. She has been working remotely since 2015 as a real estate coach.Stick around for some real estate pointers and credit card hacking 101 from this ambitious investor and self-proclaimed “nomadic vagabond”.

Feb 3, 2021 • 45min
Episode 19 - Success Out The Gate And How He Finally Got Around To House Hacking With Gerardo Hernandez
Age does not define success. And it certainly didn’t stop Gerardo Hernandez from getting into the business at the age of 20 (!) with the help of a mentor and very supportive parents. He also proved that not all entrepreneurs started knowledgeable about the strategies and the secrets of the industry before investing.Gerardo is an entrepreneur who started young in the real estate investing business through his mentor. He is independent and started working as a national guard to pay for his college tuition and got interested in investing until he got lucky by meeting his real estate mentor. Gerardo has a mindset of a successful person. He grabbed every opportunity that came to him, leaned into it, got backed by someone genuine, and researched to learn more about real estate — an unconventional way of doing real estate by buying properties before learning how to do it. He invested, made mistakes, learned more about real estate investing, and corrected his mistakes to be more successful in it. His luck and hard work made him hit financial independence.In this episode, Gerardo will share his story on how he attained financial independence. Listen and enjoy the show!

Jan 27, 2021 • 37min
Episode 18 - An Airbnb OG Who Achieved Financial Independence By 30 With Zeona McIntyre
Today’s show is the debut of the new co-host and Financial Independence guru, Zeona McIntyre, who started small but ended up big in the real estate industry. She got her inspiration from the FI Team shows that guided her throughout her journey.Zeona is a real estate investment mentor who builds her way through the industry by turning Airbnb listings into a cash flow generator. Join Zeona as she shares about herself, her experiences in doing business, and how she finally got her financial independence. Listen and enjoy the show!

Jan 20, 2021 • 56min
Episode 17 - House Hacking Their Way Out Of $100k Of Debt With Low Paying Jobs With Josh And Ali Lupo
If there’s a FI Team that helps investors with real estate investing, there’s also a FI Couple that is on the journey to achieve financial freedom! Introducing Joshua and Ali Lupo: a young power couple house hacked their way out of $100k of debt!Joshua and Ali Lupo were getting married when they realized that they were $100k in debt from student loans. They knew they needed something different when they realized that their 9-5 jobs weren’t going to cut it.So, they are house hacking properties while paying off their debt. Now, they are slowly able to settle their debt, and their cost of living is completely free!Get to know them and relate to their stories as they share the details of their house hacking deals, the mental barriers they’ve overcome, and their favorite weird food combinations! They’ll also share their approach to financial freedom and how they are investing as a team. Listen and enjoy the show!

Jan 13, 2021 • 52min
Episode 16 - 27-Year-Old Real Estate Agent Goes From A Team Of 3 To 60 In Just 2 Years With Ramon Casaus
Ramon Casaus started his journey to financial freedom from zero. Starting from double zeros and a 3-member team, he has built his place in the industry and has scaled to a 60-agent real estate team! He also started his property management company that also started from the bottom. Now, it escalated to 900 doors in just 8 months!Aside from all these successes, he is also a great leader that dedicates it all to his team. He is a firm believer in creating an atmosphere that would make the team be better for themselves - and you can see how he learned and made sacrifices to be an efficient leader throughout this episode.In today’s episode, learn the importance of being an effective leader - setting a cultural standard, identifying what you value in a team, the methods he takes to promote the company’s culture, and how he is living by example!He will also provide insights on another way to achieve financial independence and how he runs his businesses so you can’t miss this episode! Enjoy!

Jan 6, 2021 • 54min
Episode 15 - Military And Investing With David Pere
David Pere is an active-duty Marine who is the epitome of confidence. After he read “Rich Dad Poor Dad”, he loved the idea of financial independence and jumped right into building his wealth through real estate investing.From house hacking his first property to a 10-unit to a 146- unit, his investing ventures are growing rapidly! Now, he is the CEO of From Military to Millionaire, host of the Military Millionaire podcast, and has been helping military and veteran investors to grow.In this episode, David will dive into his deals throughout his career – the emotions, breakdown of his numbers, and his strategies. He will also share why he’s motivated to achieve financial independence quickly, why he likes diversifying, and why you got to be ready for losses, so this is a don’t-miss episode! Enjoy!


