

Some Work, All Play
David Roche and Megan Roche
Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!
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Jun 28, 2022 • 1h 15min
108. Western States Recap Celebration! Plus Cooling Techniques and Media Review
We took some hardcore grass naps before talking about 13 things we learned at the Western States 100 Miler! That includes the booming media coverage, Adam Peterman becoming a PeterGOD, theories for why the times are so fast, and much more. Plus we do some deeper dives into the exciting world of mid-event cooling techniques (and how we think that will drive performance changes even in temperate races), how speed is so important for long races, the exciting and evolving landscape of running, and the less exciting prospect of 12-inch probes. It'll make sense soon.
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Jun 23, 2022 • 42min
BONUS: Western States 100 Time Predictions, Microbiome and Performance, and Hydration Science
This week, we are bringing our BONUS Patreon episode to everyone to highlight some sexy science! Megan was just named the Western States Research Co-Director, and our celebration is to bring you some research updates in hot-tub conversation format. We start with reviewing two fascinating talks at the medical conference on hyponatremia/hydration and how the gut microbiome may influence performance and health. Then, we examine some BREAKING NEWS SCIENCE from Dr. Marshall Burke on how heat impacts performance, and what that means for time predictions for this year's race.
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We love you all! HUZZAH!

Jun 21, 2022 • 1h 28min
107. Broken Arrow Race Recap, VO2 Max Competitions, Western States 100 Stories
We got really, really excited about Olympic Valley before talking about takeaways from the Broken Arrow skyraces, the complexity of races that reward VO2 max, how training for other sports can support running (but how that might also hide the true performance drivers), 6 tips for dealing with pre-race anxiety, 4 narratives around the Western States 100, our sleeper picks for podium finishes, the importance of eating enough for male athletes, and thinking about running training in a power-per-stride framework. Plus lots more fun! Make sure you stick around to the very end for the G.O.A.T. pregnancy burp. We love you all! WOOHOO!
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Jun 14, 2022 • 1h 24min
106. Western States 100 Preview and Picks!
We dodged an angry moose before dedicating almost the whole episode to one of our favorite events of the year: The Western States 100! Whether you care about this race or not, we hope to convey big enthusiasm, bigger science, and even bigger subjective opinions. It was so much fun to break down wild ultra science on how physiology responds to this race, the unique demands of the course, 2022 sub-plots, and who we are picking for top finishes. We are SO EXCITED for the Super Bowl of US ultra running! Plus, we gave some happy pregnancy updates!
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Jun 7, 2022 • 1h 19min
105. Speed v. Volume, Hydration Reviews, and Data Periodization
We witnessed some real-life Twitter beefs before talking about 3 things we learned at the American College of Sports Medicine conference, data periodization and how to maintain joy while learning more about your body, athletics before GPS, our love/hate list for hydration products, a new study on increasing easy volume versus adding hard intensity, recent research on the menstrual cycle and training, and the mind-altering power of a cold Coca Cola. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!
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May 31, 2022 • 1h 19min
104. European Racing, Strides for Speed, and UTMB Policies
We started the Cha Cha Challenge before talking about training for the unique challenges of European racing, more shoe reviews, being an introvert at professional conferences, why all clothes should be maternity fit, how stride workouts can spur progression across decades of serious training, follow-ups on vegetarianism, some problems with UTMB's doping policies, and the cool science of hydration wearables. For a weekly bonus episode, make sure you're subscribed to our Patreon! We love you all! WOOHOO!
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May 24, 2022 • 1h 27min
103. Shoe Reviews, Business and Competition, and Strength Gains
We optimized our nasal breathing before giving you our HONEST feelings on different shoe brands and models, the cool science of minimal-dose strength work, the quirks of Vitamin D science, and fueling follow-ups. We then provide an overview of the changing media landscape, including recent layoffs and changes in publishing models, and what that might mean for.... future expansion of the podcast and fun content! The hope is that a Patreon account can be a proof-of-concept for a bigger investment in bonus podcasts, articles, and videos in the future. We love you all! WOOHOO!
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May 17, 2022 • 1h 25min
102. Hydration Experiments, Shoe Science, and Body Enthusiasm
We did some titillating at-home chiropractic adjustments before talking about the variance in what constitutes good hydration for different athletes (and how extreme approaches can work for heavy sweaters), carb love and the power of Peanut Butter Puffins, our favorite recent TV shows, shoe science and the murky understanding of impact forces, body/brain chemistry and enthusiasm for every body, random racing tips, and the power of big trees (and big honkers). We love you all! WOOHOO!
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May 10, 2022 • 1h 27min
101. Extreme Races, Extreme Fueling Approaches, and Unconditional Love
We tanned our private parts for the hormone boost before talking about extreme race fueling approaches of 400-500+ calories per hour and how they might work for some athletes, extreme races like the Cocodona 250, training for ultras where the association between speed and performance fall away, John Kelly's historic Wainwrights FKT, heat training, influencers taking PEDs, a follow-up on pregnancy, and the importance of individual bodily autonomy and personal freedom. Plus lots more! We love you all! HUZZAH!
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May 3, 2022 • 1h 26min
100. Celebrating 100 Episodes and Fun News!
We channeled our BIGGEST WET FOOD ENERGY to joyfully reflect on the 100th episode of the podcast! What a journey! This is a love letter to our listeners... and to new adventures. You know how TV shows save something big for the season finale? We did that for the 100th episode. Tune in and find out! Plus discussions of lessons from the last couple years, owning your insecurities, the unexpected swerves of an athletic life, takeaways from our favorite episodes, and so much more. Thank you so much for being on this journey with us! We love you all! HUZZAH!
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