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The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.
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Mar 1, 2026 • 58min
Citrini Needs to Chill (but SaaS DOES Need to Change)
They debate a hot report claiming AI agents will replace white-collar jobs and rock SaaS valuations. They dissect which software companies face repricing pressure and how investors react. They explore the innovator's dilemma: why firms must sometimes cannibalize margins to survive and how org design, team restructuring, and leadership shifts enable AI-native product bets.

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Feb 26, 2026 • 25min
SPOTLIGHT: Raising $55M When You're Not "AI-Native" | Nick Turner, CEO @ Dreamdata
Nick Turner, CEO of Dreamdata and longtime MarTech leader, led a $55M Series B after moving from CRO to CEO. He discusses fundraising in an AI-obsessed market, investor doubts about AI-driven revenue, careful AI integration for credible measurement, and product design choices like semantic layers and natural-language interfaces.

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Feb 22, 2026 • 1h 5min
"SaaS is Dead!" - So What Do We Do Now?
A rundown of the recent massive SaaS market correction and why AI is forcing faster valuation shifts. Discussion of agentic AI replacing legacy systems of record and the impact on pricing power. Debates over whether mid-market software should chase AI-driven hypergrowth or double down on cashflow and profitability. Practical talk on career shifts into AI and which public SaaS names might recover.

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Feb 15, 2026 • 1h 10min
The Business Case for Robot Overlords (Or At Least Robots That Unload Trucks) | CEO AJ Meyer
AJ Meyer, CEO and founder of Pickle Robot Company and serial MIT entrepreneur in physical AI and robotics. He discusses why task-specific robots for logistics win over humanoids. He talks about safety trade-offs, cybersecurity for connected robot fleets, and how enterprise contracts and pricing models unlock scale.

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Feb 8, 2026 • 1h 14min
Mark Roberge (Ex-HubSpot CRO): "AI Startups Will See the Highest Failure Rate in History"
Mark Roberge, former HubSpot CRO and author of The Science of Scaling, warns of a coming wave of AI-native startup failures. He breaks down why growth-at-all-costs and assembly-line sales are obsolete. Short takes on fixing ICP, the Leading Indicator of Retention (LIR), and how AI will collapse specialized GTM roles into full-cycle rainmakers.

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Feb 1, 2026 • 1h 7min
AI Talent Wars: OpenAI, Thinking Machines & Meta Fighting For Breakthroughs
A heated look at the AI talent scramble and why top engineers are jumping between labs. A debate on whether values still matter when huge payouts are on the line. Tactical leadership lessons about firing fast, manager accountability, and how tolerated behavior shapes culture. A candid discussion about quitting the content grind and personal priorities for the year ahead.

61 snips
Jan 25, 2026 • 1h 7min
The Job Market Just Completely Flipped (Nobody's Talking About It)
They unpack a shocking flip in the job market and which sales roles might disappear. They debate how AI agents and early sales avatars change go-to-market work. They argue where a new golden era for sellers could exist and why mid-market reps may benefit. They clash over brand versus performance marketing and whether companies should invest in long-term reputation.

50 snips
Jan 18, 2026 • 56min
These Charts Explain 2026
The discussion dives into the evolving landscape of venture capital in 2026. Sam predicts it will be the 'Year of the Deal' with innovative M&A strategies, while Asad highlights the unsettling trend of capital concentration dominating funding. AJ emphasizes the critical role of compelling AI narratives in shaping valuations for traditional SaaS companies. The hosts also tackle tough choices for seed founders and reveal increasing layoffs intertwined with AI advancements. Prepare for a transformative year in tech and investing!

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Jan 11, 2026 • 1h 13min
The 13 AI Agents Inside a $90 Billion Machine
Pablo Dominguez, Operating Partner at Insight Partners, shares his insights from over 20 years in sales operations. He reveals how 'Dylan,' a system of 13 AI agents, has revolutionized due diligence, slashing processing time from 35 to just 14 hours. Pablo discusses the common pitfalls in AI initiatives, stressing the importance of strategy and buy-in. He also dives into future trends like the decline of traditional CRM and the potential exit of Sam Altman from OpenAI, making bold predictions for 2026 that are sure to spark interest.

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Jan 4, 2026 • 39min
He Built a SaaS Monster with $1 Million (And Refused to Raise More)
Wade Foster, the co-founder and CEO of Zapier, transformed the company into a profitable giant without traditional VC backing. He reveals how a $1M post-YC investment paved the way for agility during AI's rise, particularly after the launch of GPT-4 which altered their strategy. Wade discusses the concept of agentic workflows and the importance of an AI-literate culture, emphasizing practical ways to stimulate internal AI adoption. He offers insights on navigating competition and maintaining long-term thinking in product development.


