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The #1 podcast for founders, operators, and investors in B2B tech. Tune in every week to hear Sam Jacobs, AJ Bruno and Asad Zaman discuss and debate the trends, news, and developments impacting the B2B tech world. Enjoy the hot takes, strong opinions, and dry humor.
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Mar 29, 2026 • 1h 1min
E152: Is This The End of Sales As We Know It? (CEO @ 1mind, Amanda Kahlow)
Amanda Kahlow, founder and CEO of OneMind and co-founder of 6sense, builds AI sales agents that qualify buyers, run demos, and close deals. The conversation explores how these 'superhumans' work across the funnel. It covers technical tradeoffs, voice and persona design, measuring AI versus human outcomes, and the near-term roadmap for autonomous revenue agents.
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Mar 22, 2026 • 55min
Why Intercom Destroyed Its Predictable SaaS Revenue
They explain Intercom's radical AI pivot and the tradeoffs of sacrificing predictable seat-based revenue. The hosts unpack how agentic products change unit economics and force much faster growth. They debate rising compute costs, pricing approaches, and why data moats matter. They also cover board dynamics, leadership conviction, and what it takes to refound a company around AI.
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Mar 15, 2026 • 24min
Do SaaS Teams ACTUALLY Need AI?
A heated debate about how to handle team members who resist AI, from nudges and hackathons to cutting ties. Practical tactics for embedding AI into daily pipeline work and mapping tasks to agents. Discussion of urgency and different tolerance levels by seniority. A one-day execution test and warnings against treating AI as an unedited shortcut.
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Mar 8, 2026 • 28min
This is How Tech Executives Will Get Hired in 2026
A rapid guide to moving from legacy SaaS into high-growth AI roles. Practical tips on building demonstrable work product with low-code tools. How to show where AI succeeds and fails as a hiring signal. Ways to combine domain expertise with an AI-first GTM approach. Why staying active on AI social channels and sharing unexpected wins boosts credibility.

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Mar 1, 2026 • 58min
Citrini Needs to Chill (but SaaS DOES Need to Change)
They debate a hot report claiming AI agents will replace white-collar jobs and rock SaaS valuations. They dissect which software companies face repricing pressure and how investors react. They explore the innovator's dilemma: why firms must sometimes cannibalize margins to survive and how org design, team restructuring, and leadership shifts enable AI-native product bets.

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Feb 26, 2026 • 25min
SPOTLIGHT: Raising $55M When You're Not "AI-Native" | Nick Turner, CEO @ Dreamdata
Nick Turner, CEO of Dreamdata and longtime MarTech leader, led a $55M Series B after moving from CRO to CEO. He discusses fundraising in an AI-obsessed market, investor doubts about AI-driven revenue, careful AI integration for credible measurement, and product design choices like semantic layers and natural-language interfaces.

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Feb 22, 2026 • 1h 5min
"SaaS is Dead!" - So What Do We Do Now?
A rundown of the recent massive SaaS market correction and why AI is forcing faster valuation shifts. Discussion of agentic AI replacing legacy systems of record and the impact on pricing power. Debates over whether mid-market software should chase AI-driven hypergrowth or double down on cashflow and profitability. Practical talk on career shifts into AI and which public SaaS names might recover.

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Feb 15, 2026 • 1h 10min
The Business Case for Robot Overlords (Or At Least Robots That Unload Trucks) | CEO AJ Meyer
AJ Meyer, CEO and founder of Pickle Robot Company and serial MIT entrepreneur in physical AI and robotics. He discusses why task-specific robots for logistics win over humanoids. He talks about safety trade-offs, cybersecurity for connected robot fleets, and how enterprise contracts and pricing models unlock scale.

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Feb 8, 2026 • 1h 14min
Mark Roberge (Ex-HubSpot CRO): "AI Startups Will See the Highest Failure Rate in History"
Mark Roberge, former HubSpot CRO and author of The Science of Scaling, warns of a coming wave of AI-native startup failures. He breaks down why growth-at-all-costs and assembly-line sales are obsolete. Short takes on fixing ICP, the Leading Indicator of Retention (LIR), and how AI will collapse specialized GTM roles into full-cycle rainmakers.

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Feb 1, 2026 • 1h 7min
AI Talent Wars: OpenAI, Thinking Machines & Meta Fighting For Breakthroughs
A heated look at the AI talent scramble and why top engineers are jumping between labs. A debate on whether values still matter when huge payouts are on the line. Tactical leadership lessons about firing fast, manager accountability, and how tolerated behavior shapes culture. A candid discussion about quitting the content grind and personal priorities for the year ahead.


