Sinica Podcast

Chang Che, journalist who tracked China’s renewed fascination with Greco-Roman classics. He discusses grassroots love for the Odyssey, the shift from independent scholars to state-backed programs, Xi’s outreach to Greece and its geopolitical meaning, and the role of Straussian thought and institutional politics in shaping China’s classics revival.

David M. Lampton, a leading U.S. scholar of China and emeritus director of China Studies at Johns Hopkins SAIS, discusses a joint essay calling for urgent restraint. He covers why the collaboration mattered. He warns about accidental war from miscalculation, explains securitization and economic frictions, and argues Taiwan could be the unlikely starting point for stabilizing relations.

Ting Luo, associate professor of government and AI who studies digital governance, and Daniela Stockmann, professor of digital governance focused on platforms and state power, discuss how states, major platforms, and ordinary users interact in China. They introduce "popular corporatism," explain platform leverage over censorship, survey methods like GPS sampling, the social credit system's two subsystems, and why lurkers matter.

Yi-Ling Liu, journalist and author of The Wall Dancers, maps Chinese online life through vivid personal stories. She explores the metaphor of “dancing in shackles,” early netizen optimism, hip hop and sci‑fi’s rise and co‑optation, feminist activism and crackdowns, and how censorship and moderation became human and industrial. Short scenes show creativity and constraint colliding in China’s digital sphere.

Kyle Chan, a Brookings fellow and author of the High-Capacity newsletter, explains why China is moving from adopter to frontier innovator. He explores overlapping Chinese tech ecosystems, megawatt EV charging and battery scale, and how market forces keep US-China ties alive despite political pressure. The conversation covers firm strategies to navigate geopolitics and which interdependencies matter for global tech.

Patricia Kim, a Brookings fellow studying U.S. policy toward China and the Asia-Pacific, brings data-driven analysis to heated debates. She examines Trump's surprisingly consistent China aims, the limits of reindustrialization and tariffs, technology and AI competition, supply-chain de-risking, and the erosion of diplomatic and military ties. Short, sharp takes that cut through rhetoric to what is actually happening.

Ryan Hass, director of Brookings’ China Center and former NSC China director, offers clear-eyed policy analysis. He lays out three plausible pathways for U.S.-China relations. Conversation covers Trump’s personalistic China strategy, Beijing’s calculations on stability and self-reliance, the critical April visit, Taiwan as a flashpoint, and why mutual vulnerability may produce an uneasy calm.

Afra Wang, a writer living between London and the Bay Area who covers China, tech, and the Industrial Party, discusses The Morning Star of Lingao. She unpacks a crowdsourced alternate-history novel about time travelers bootstrapping industry in Ming Hainan. Conversations touch on China’s engineering-minded Industrial Party, techno-culture, crowdsourced worldbuilding, and how competence became a kind of salvation.

Jia Ruixue, a professor at UC San Diego, and Li Hongbin, an economist at Stanford, dive deep into the complexities of China's Gaokao, the crucial college entrance exam. They discuss how it serves as a formidable gatekeeper for social mobility, the intense pressure families face, and the limited alternatives within the labor market. The guests share personal stories that highlight how the exam system endures despite its flaws, and why reform efforts often fail. They illuminate the intersection of education, inequality, and economic growth in contemporary China.

This week on Sinica, I speak with Daniel Bessner, the Anne H.H. and Kenneth B. Pyle Assistant Professor in American Foreign Policy at the Henry M. Jackson School of International Studies at the University of Washington and co-host of the American Prestige Podcast. If you follow U.S.-China relations even casually, you can’t avoid hearing that we’re in a new Cold War — it’s become a rhetorical reflex in D.C., shaping budgets, foreign policy debates, media narratives, and how ordinary Americans think about China.But what does it actually mean to call something a Cold War? To think clearly about the present, I find it helps to go to the past, not for simple analogies but to understand the intellectual and ideological machinery that produced and now sustains a Cold War mentality. Danny has written widely about the architecture of American power, the rise of the national security state, and the constellation of thinkers he calls Cold War liberals who helped define the ideological landscape of U.S. foreign policy. We explore how Cold War liberalism reshaped American political life, how the U.S. came to see its global dominance as natural and morally necessary, why the question of whose fault the Cold War was remains urgent in an age of renewed great power rivalry, the rise of China and anxiety of American decline, and what it would take to imagine a U.S.-China relationship that doesn’t fall back into old patterns of moral binaries, ideological panic, and militarized competition.6:20 – Danny’s background: from Iraq War politicization to studying defense intellectuals11:00 – Cold War liberalism: the constellation of ideas that shaped U.S. foreign policy16:14 – How these ideas became structurally embedded in security institutions22:02 – The Democratic Party’s destruction of the genuine left in the late 1940s27:53 – Whose fault was the Cold War? Stalin’s sphere of influence logic vs. American universalism31:07 – Are we facing a similar decision with China today?34:23 – The anxiety of loss: how decline anxiety distorts interpretation of China’s rise37:54 – The new Cold War narrative: material realities vs. psychological legacies41:21 – Clearest parallels between the first Cold War and emerging U.S.-China confrontation44:33 – What would a pluralistic order in Asia actually look like?47:42 – Coexistence rather than zero-sum rivalry: what does it mean in practice?50:57 – What genuine restraint requires: accepting limits of American power54:14 – The moral imperative pushback: you can’t have good empire without bad empire56:35 – Imperialist realism: Americans don’t think we’re good, but can’t imagine another worldPaying it forward: The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and Responsible Statecraft publication; The Trillion Dollar War Machine by William Hartung and Ben FreemanRecommendations:Danny: Nirvana and the history of Seattle punk/indie music (forthcoming podcast project)Kaiser: Hello China Tech Substack by Poe Zhao (hellotechchina.com)See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.