

Perpetual Traffic
Tier 11
Perpetual Traffic is a weekly podcast for CMOs, marketing directors, and business owners who want to master paid advertising, scale their businesses profitably and stay one step ahead of the shifting paid advertising landscape of today.
Hosted by Ralph Burns (CEO of Tier 11, managing $200M+ in ad spend), the show covers digital marketing strategy, paid traffic optimization, and performance marketing, featuring expert interviews, case studies, and actionable campaign breakdowns.
If you’re tired of wasting ad spend on campaigns that don’t convert, struggling to prove marketing ROI to executives, or overwhelmed by constantly changing platform algorithms and marketing tactics that promise results but deliver disappointment you’re in the right place.
This show will give you the proven strategies from agencies managing millions in ad spend, behind-the-scenes campaign optimizations that actually work, and expert insights on marketing metrics that matter for real business growth.
From Meta Ads and Google optimization to landing page conversion tactics and marketing attribution, each episode delivers actionable strategies you can implement immediately to improve your ROAS and scale your marketing efforts.
Get all the free episode resources at perpetualtraffic.com
13+ million downloads | 700+ episodes | Weekly since 2015
Hosted by Ralph Burns (CEO of Tier 11, managing $200M+ in ad spend), the show covers digital marketing strategy, paid traffic optimization, and performance marketing, featuring expert interviews, case studies, and actionable campaign breakdowns.
If you’re tired of wasting ad spend on campaigns that don’t convert, struggling to prove marketing ROI to executives, or overwhelmed by constantly changing platform algorithms and marketing tactics that promise results but deliver disappointment you’re in the right place.
This show will give you the proven strategies from agencies managing millions in ad spend, behind-the-scenes campaign optimizations that actually work, and expert insights on marketing metrics that matter for real business growth.
From Meta Ads and Google optimization to landing page conversion tactics and marketing attribution, each episode delivers actionable strategies you can implement immediately to improve your ROAS and scale your marketing efforts.
Get all the free episode resources at perpetualtraffic.com
13+ million downloads | 700+ episodes | Weekly since 2015
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Mar 24, 2023 • 50min
5 Proven Ways to Improve Your Website Conversion Rate
In this episode of Perpetual Traffic, Ralph discusses conversion rates on different platforms and offers strategies to increase them. He explains that Facebook and other meta platforms have high conversion rates, while social media posts usually lack calls to action and have less than 1% conversion rate. Ralph also covers cart abandonment rates in e-commerce and offers suggestions to reduce them. The episode concludes with the importance of understanding your target audience and optimizing your offers accordingly to increase conversion rates.In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 Why Companies Should Focus on Conversion Rate Optimization (CRO)00:02:39 5 Proven Ways to Increase Your Website's Conversion Rate00:10:56 Understanding Conversion Rates for Landing Pages and Lead Forms00:15:01 Tips for E-commerce Vendors: Premium Pricing on Amazon and Testing Pricing on Different Platforms00:19:24 Optimizing for Mobile: The Importance of Inspecting Your Page00:23:57 Effective Tips for Pop-ups: Using a Delay00:28:13 Get Bravo: A Simple and Intuitive Solution for Testimonials on Websites00:32:35 Tips for Reducing Cart Abandonment and Increasing Average Order Value with Free Shipping00:37:18 Effective Call-to-Action for Losing Weight in 30 Days00:42:13 Improving Website Conversion Rates through Avatar OptimizationResources Mentioned In Episode:Tier 11 Growth PlanLucky OrangeMouse FlowHotjarStamped IOOptinmonsterUnbounceCart Abandonment Rate StatisticsFacebook Ad BenchmarksCountdown Timer ExamplesPowr Countdown TimerLINKS AND RESOURCES:Tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualTier 11 Data Suite https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.activecampaign.com/www.AdRoll.com/PTTier 11 Data Suite

Mar 21, 2023 • 36min
The 1 Secret to Lowering Your CPAs by 60% on Meta
Join Ralph and Kasim in the latest episode of Perpetual Traffic as they tackle complex tracking issues and share valuable insights into advertising basics, real estate marketing, and simplification strategies for better results. Discover why fixing tracking is crucial before running ads and how it affects optimization and scaling. Learn about split testing and how it can reveal stronger conversion actions. The hosts also share their experiences with mispronunciations and delve into real estate marketing insights from different avatars. Plus, find out how Chat GPT can be used for research and knowledge building. Don't miss out on the case study of scaling ad spend for a real estate product by 50% in three months while reducing CPA by 60%. Simplify your campaigns and improve performance by avoiding over-engineering things. Tune in to Perpetual Traffic now!In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 - Warm Greeting and Positive Response00:02:50 - Efficient Formatting of Names and Numbers with GPT00:04:04 - Chat GPT's Accurate Interpretation and Google Product Integration00:09:36 - Reviews' Importance for Shows and Real Estate Agent Ad Spend Case Study00:15:54 - Conversion Tracking's Importance and Multifaceted Business Goals00:17:27 - Split Testing Reveals Preference for Stronger Conversion Actions00:20:33 - Identifying Google Campaigns Built by Facebook Experts00:21:47 - Three Distinct Real Estate Market Avatars Identified00:24:18 - Message Importance in Facebook Advertising00:28:12 - Success through Simplification: Going Back to Basics in MarketingLINKS AND RESOURCES:Tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.activecampaign.com/Tier 11 Data Suite www.AdRoll.com/PThttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetual

Mar 14, 2023 • 11min
[2022] Funnels and Google Ads Now a Match Made in Heaven?
Historically, Google advertisers haven’t liked funnels—for a lot of reasons. But is that about to drastically change? On today’s bite-sized episode, host Kasim Aslam is talking about his favorite topic (cue the sarcasm): funnels. Funnels haven’t functioned well traditionally in the Google ecosystem, so he hasn’t had much use for them. Until Google Performance Max. Now, not only is Kasim rethinking his opinion of funnels, he’s re-evaluating the very definition. “Marketers didn’t invent the funnel,” he says. “A funnel is a natural sequence through which a purchasing decision is made. It exists for your product or service in your industry completely independent of you.” The funnel is with your customer. The more you work to understand your customer, your avatar, the more you understand the funnel. Funnels aren’t dead, he says. They’re more important than ever.Listen in to find out more.IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN:How the full funnel marketing approach is built into the fabric of Google’s advertising What Google does with the goal, audiences, and assets you give them Why it’s counterproductive to dictate location to GoogleHow Google Performance Max builds awareness LINKS AND RESOURCES:Tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:Tier 11 Data Suite https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/

Mar 10, 2023 • 57min
How to Get 100's of Qualified Real Estate Leads Using A.I. with With Suneet Agarwal
In the latest episode of Perpetual Traffic, Ralph and Kasim are joined by Suneet Agarwal, where they delve into the world of real estate marketing. Suneet believes that the real money lies in coaching leads and recruiting agents, rather than just selling houses. Kasim suggests becoming the central hub in any business by creating a network of agents or customers to sell products to, which can help one rise above the competition. Suneet also shares his insights on using TikTok as a marketing tool and emphasizes the importance of consistency and frequency to build a strong following. With even a hundred followers in a small community, one can make a significant impact. In closing, Ralph and Kasim express their eagerness to have Carl White as a guest on the show, who they consider an influential figure in the industry. Tune in to this episode for valuable marketing tips and tricks that can help take your real estate business to the next level.In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 - Perpetual Traffic Podcast Changes Tagline To Solution Agnostic00:03:28 - The Importance Of Pre-paying Clients And Front Spending In Business00:06:01 - Authentic Social Media Presence Praised00:10:50 - From Hustling To Success In Real Estate Sales00:14:58 - Entrepreneurship: The Transition From Faking It To Confidence00:15:46 - Using Jarvis To Create Viral Content00:19:10 - The Proliferation Of Ai-generated Content Across Multiple Platforms And Brands00:22:01 - Focus On Coaching Leads And Becoming A Hub For Success In Real Estate00:26:30 - Frustration With Local Real Estate Marketing In Small Towns00:30:27 - Specializing In Neighborhoods: Navigating Niche Real Estate Markets With Content00:35:36 - Advice For Real Estate Agents: Copy My Scripts And Use A Teleprompter00:39:46 - Overcoming Fear Of Perfection And Embracing Vulnerability In Content Production00:43:43 - Consistency And Persistence On TikTok Can Lead To Massive Views For Real Estate AgentsConnect with Suneet Agarwal:LinkedInFacebookInstagramBig Lock RealityBlogLinks And Resources:Pictory AITiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:Tier 11 Data Suite https://www.activecampaign.com/www.AdRoll.com/PThttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/Tier 11 Data Suite

Mar 7, 2023 • 40min
What Is The Law of Inverse Profitability™?
In this episode of Perpetual Traffic, Ralph and Kasim discuss the importance of customer acquisition and how to make more money with less profit. They delve into the concept of lifetime value customer (LTV) and cost per acquisition (CAC), which are crucial data points for determining profitability ratios. They also touch on the law of inverse profitability, which states that businesses cannot scale if they still want a high net operating income. They provide examples from companies like Tesla and Apple to illustrate their points. Additionally, they share their own experiences with testing new theories on themselves and discuss the benefits of organic social media over paid traffic. Overall, this episode offers valuable insights for businesses looking to increase revenue and profitability.In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 - Live Meetings On Air: Engage With Your Audience in Real Time00:04:03 - Understanding Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, And Amortization (EBITA) For Business Growth00:07:21 - The Power Of A Botched Launch: How A Free Book Led To Viral Success00:10:41 - The Collaborators Behind A Bestselling Book: Insights From a Publishing Expert00:13:50 - Customer Acquisition: The Lifeblood Of Your Business00:16:51 - The True Cost Of Marketing: Beyond Ad Spend00:20:22 - The Power of Organic Social Media: Testing Its Effectiveness on Lead Generation00:24:35 - Impressed with Apple's Real Estate and Overhead Costs: Lessons for Business OwnersLinks and Resources:Three ways to grow your business - Jay AbrahamThe Top 3 Most Important Business Numbers YouTube VideoThe Law of Inverse Profitability™ YouTube VideoEpisode 106: How Much Can You Afford to Pay to Acquire a Customer?Episode 299: New Customer Acquisition: How Much Can You Afford to Pay?Tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/Tier 11 Data Suite https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://www.activecampaign.com/www.AdRoll.com/PT

Mar 3, 2023 • 31min
7 MORE Traffic Sources Every Online Marketer Needs to Know (Part 2)
On this episode of Perpetual Traffic, hosts Ralph Burns and Kasim Aslam discuss the benefits of having a podcast to build authority and credibility. While it may not be the biggest traffic source, podcasting can lead to speaking gigs and guest blog posts. The hosts emphasize the importance of guest podcasting on other shows to bring in leads almost instantly. They also provide basic steps for those new to social media and product sales, including understanding your target market and testing what works. Listeners are also told that a downloadable checklist will be available to help them apply this information.IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:00:00:00 How To Strike Gold With Niche Marketing00:03:08 My Battle Cry: The Riches Of Niche Marketing00:04:47 Perpetual Traffic's Decreased Leads But Continued Authority Building Benefits00:07:12 Podcasting For Business: Building Momentum Through Quality Content00:08:51 Networking Gold: The Benefits of Podcasting00:11:45 Juicing The Amazon Algorithm: A 99-Cent Solution To Outsmart Google00:12:10 Authority Building And Traffic: The Benefits Of Releasing A Book00:18:09 Speaking Engagements: A Powerful Tool For Digital Marketing00:21:52 Paid Traffic And Social Ads: Understanding The Basics00:23:43 Creating A Checklist For Driving Traffic To Your WebsiteLinks and Resources:Perry Belcher Website Solutions 8 Checklist PT - How to use ChatGPT to Rank #1 on Google Hector Santiesteban on LinkedInThe Tim Ferris Show - Naval Ravikant Virtual Boss The 7 Critical Principles of Effective Digital MarketingTiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://www.activecampaign.com/Tier 11 Data Suite https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/www.AdRoll.com/PThttps://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetual

Feb 28, 2023 • 1h 4min
7 Traffic Sources Every Online Marketer Needs to Know
In this episode, Ralph and Kasim discuss the importance of social media and provide tips on how to make the most of it. They cover topics such as outsourcing social media and finding the right person for the job, developing a unique voice on social media, increasing engagement with your content, building a community, and using paid traffic to amplify your message. Join them for an insightful discussion on social media strategies that can help you succeed!IN THIS EPISODE, YOU'LL LEARN:00:00:00 Discovering The Renaissance: Its Meaning And Relevance Today00:01:29 Breaking Paradigms And Unearthing Nuggets: A Path To Success00:04:33 Perpetual Traffic's Approach To Ranking Traffic Sources00:06:57 Strategic Partnerships Vs. Affiliate Programs: Which Is Better?00:09:59 Creating A Referral Program That Works: One Email, Text, Or Direct Mail Away00:11:42 Understanding The Difference Between Affiliate And Referral Software00:15:11 The Power Of Affiliate Referrals: Advantages And Benefits00:17:17 Community Building: Insights From Masterminds00:21:18 Building A Niche Community: Dave Asprey And Don Miller's Success Story00:26:03 Merging Networking, Outreach, And Strategic Partnerships For Business Success00:28:44 Lessons From Digital Marketing Experts: Ryan Deiss And Perry Belcher00:33:10 Friendly Competition: Joe And Me At Genius Network00:39:59 The Internet's Unexpected Support For Entrepreneurs00:41:14 Twitter's Benefits: Interacting With Smart People And Growing Your Network00:44:08 Outsourcing Social Media: The Advantages Of A Professional Voice00:47:45 Perry Belcher's Email Marketing Success: Building A Strong List00:52:17 Falling Short On Paid Traffic Strategy: The Importance Of Brand Building00:53:38 Investing In Brand Building For Paid Traffic Success: Tips And InsightsLinks and Resources:Perry Belcher Website Solutions 8 Checklist PT - How to use ChatGPT to Rank #1 on Google Hector Santiesteban on LinkedInThe Tim Ferris Show - Naval Ravikant Virtual Boss The 7 Critical Principles of Effective Digital MarketingTiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://www.activecampaign.com/www.AdRoll.com/PTTier 11 Data Suite https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/

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Feb 24, 2023 • 1h 2min
The Ultimate Guide to Online Attribution with Scott DesGrosseilliers
Welcome to the Perpetual Traffic podcast, on this episode we will explore the hidden middle funnel and uncover the secrets of successful attribution with world expert Scott Desgrosseilliers. In this engaging and informative episode, we'll discuss how to sensibly track conversions without overwhelming data overload, how to decipher hundreds of touchpoints and identify key ones that lead to more last-click sales, and why CRM data is critical for attribution modeling. We'll also hear about a live e-commerce customer who emails people almost every day and discuss why people often fail to take the longer view when it comes to attribution.In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 The Ultimate Fan Experience: Enjoying Super Bowls At A Beautiful Stadium00:02:32 Hooked On Phonics: Why It May Not Work In The Northeastern US00:06:18 Become An Attribution Expert: Understanding The Ins And Outs00:07:22 Maximizing Ad Spend: The Importance Of Attribution Modeling00:12:09 Google Vs Apple: The Battle For Digital Privacy00:13:53 The Key To Successful Sales: Tracking The Right Data00:16:46 The Power Of Retargeting: Boosting Conversion Rates With CRM Data00:19:01 Building Your Business: The Benefits Of Attribution00:20:20 Beyond 30 Days: Why Longer First Click Attribution Windows Matter00:23:03 The Truth About Magic Pills And Seasonal Businesses00:27:15 More Than Just Traffic: The Perpetual Traffic Podcast00:30:33 The Hidden Middle Funnel: Unlocking Last Click Sales00:31:41 Practical Issues With Tracking View-Through Conversions00:35:46 Global Trends, Simplified Data: Making Smarter Marketing Decisions00:39:02 Higher-Level Tracking: The Benefits Of Attribution For Agencies00:41:49 Holding Attribution Software Accountable With CRM Data00:43:41 Entrepreneurship Challenges: Making The Right Moves00:46:19 Scaling Ad Spend And Offer Attribution For Optimal Results00:50:04 Wicked Reports: Expert Funnel Vision And Guidance On YouTube00:52:05 Mastering Facebook: Views And Guidance From Industry ExpertsFun Links:Ben Affleck's Dunkin' Super BowlBoston Accent Trailer - Late Night with Seth MeyersDunkin Donuts - SNLLinks and Resources:Wicked Reports - Funnel Vision(Screen Shots)Scott Desgrosseilliers on LinkedInWicked ReportsTiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://www.activecampaign.com/https://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/Tier 11 Data Suite https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualTier 11 Data Suite www.AdRoll.com/PT

Feb 21, 2023 • 46min
The #1 Dirty Little Secret in Direct Response Marketing
Welcome to Perpetual Traffic, the podcast that helps you create and sustain demand for your business. In this episode, hosts Ralph and Kasim will take you on a journey to explore how to create your own demand by taking a unique approach to advertising. They share their expertise on how educational content and video ads can be used to create demand and how to optimize your ad spend by using a wholesale buying approach. Additionally, they discuss strategies for getting feedback on your content and where to find more resources online. Tune in for a deep dive into the world of creating and sustaining demand for your business!In This Episode, You'll Learn:00:00:00 Learning New Words: A Journey Through The Pages00:00:25 Breaking Norms: The Heavy Book That Dares To Be Different00:04:48 Revisiting Success: Transformative Storytelling In Video Ads00:06:13 Reviving The Transformation: How To Make A Compelling Video Ad00:09:27 Breaking Rules: $158k Ad Spend In 30 Days00:12:46 Proactive Lead Generation: Investing In Top-Of-Funnel Ads00:15:15 Challenging Business Models: The Power Of A Father's Words00:17:13 No Call To Action? No Problem: Forcing Top-Of-Funnel Ad Spend00:21:29 From Gum To Business: Creative Thinking And Network Marketing00:26:15 Selling New Media Mix: Why It's Not Easy And How To Do It00:27:35 Conversion Ad Spending Analysis: Are You Wasting Money?00:30:34 Investing In Future Sales: The Benefits Of Conversion Marketing00:32:58 Retargeting For Small Video Views: Make Your Ads Count00:35:33 From Retail To Wholesale: Increasing Efficiency Of Ad Spend00:40:13 The Dirty Secret Of Direct Response Ads: Invest For Future SuccessLinks and Resources:Tiereleven.comGet your queries answered here: hi@tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Kasim on Twitter and Connect with Ralph on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:Tier 11 Data Suite www.AdRoll.com/PThttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/https://www.activecampaign.com/https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetual

Feb 17, 2023 • 15min
Marketing to the Heart: How to Satisfy Consumer Desires and Boost Sales
Welcome to Perpetual Traffic, the podcast that helps businesses increase customer acquisition and retention. In this episode, we explore how understanding the 16 human desires can help marketers tailor their messaging and solutions to better meet the needs of their customers. By identifying which desires your product or service addresses, you can create more effective marketing campaigns and enhance the lifetime value of your customers. We provide real-world examples of how a time management software, a romance product, and a car brand have effectively tapped into different desires to create successful marketing campaigns. By listening to this episode, you'll gain valuable insights into how to better connect with your target audience and drive growth for your business. Don't miss out on this informative discussion!Topics Covered: 00:00:00 - The Art of Marketing Products that Satisfy Consumer Needs: Selling to Desires00:02:51 - The Power of Romance and Status: Understanding Consumer Desires That Drive Purchasing Decisions00:04:55 - Meeting Consumer Demands: Fulfilling the Need for Tranquility with Insurance00:06:30 - Creating a Market for Your Product: How to Tap into Mass Desire for Boosted Success00:06:57 - From Chaos to Order: Satisfying the Desire for Control with Time Management Solutions00:08:46 - Bringing Order to Chaos: Achieving Tranquility through Messy LawnsLinks and Resources:Tiereleven.comGet your queries answered here: hi@tiereleven.comSolutions 8 Perpetual Traffic SurveyPerpetual Traffic WebsiteFollow Perpetual Traffic on TwitterConnect with Ralph and Kasim on TwitterThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Perpetual Traffic? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on iTunes and leave us a review!Mentioned in this episode:https://www.NEXTInsurance.com/perpetualhttps://perpetualtraffic.com/advertise-with-us/www.AdRoll.com/PThttps://www.activecampaign.com/


