The Cave of Apelles

Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Architects separated from masons 05:16 Craft vs. genius 09:41 “Creative imagination” vs imitation 20:11 Kant's superhuman genius 24:25 Artification of music and the idiosyncratic world of genius 31:20 “From patronage to market” 44:21 Art vs. money, copyright and the “aesthetic” 48:50 “Kant and Schiller sum up the aesthetic” 53:24 Kant's “fine art vs craft” & indifference vs. storytelling 58:00 Kant's spontaneous genius 1:00:42 Schiller 1:03:28 Museums as the great neutralizers 1:15:28 de Quincy's warnings against the museum 1:19:26 Do we need museums? This episode featured Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Myndin Nerdrum and Auden Dillon. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

The young architect has already made a mark on one of Sweden's cities by winning a competition to build a housing complex in multiple classical styles. Nils Freckeus has a strictly classical approach and aspires to work like the old building masters. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Introduction 01:14 Columns not allowed! 05:05 The problem of complaining 09:48 Freckeus' first place in a municipal architecture competition 16:41 "Our time" is what you make of it 18:13 Sticking to the classical principles 19:45 Everything starts with the columns! 26:27 Beauty is recognizing nature…? 28:32 Freckeus' Nobel center in Stockholm 32:26 The tactics of pushing modernist buildings 37:20 "Classical", "traditional" or "classicism"? 43:00 Reflecting the time? Rebuilding The Notre Dame in Paris 49:43 Corbusier's five conservative rules 53:08 The eastern idea of "copying" 59:00 Fear, boredom & lack of confidence 1:04:03 Classical: sustainability in material, style and economy 1:11:33 Regulations and the big developers 1:15:32 "Humans are beautiful - architecture should be too" 1:21:57 Built not by gods, but by human beings This episode featured Nils Freckeus & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a study drawing of a Nobel Center in Stockholm by Nils Freckeus, based on an idea by Ferdinand Boberg. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Sturla Ellingvåg to dive deep into norse mythology. Ellingvåg is the historian behind the Viking Stories channel on YouTube . He is associated with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows. We have previously released an interview with Ellingvåg on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFeje-6fYmw 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Can we trust Snorre's "Edda"? 08:04 The Yamnaya warriors from the Armenian highlands 10:23 Crisis and mixing 12:26 Bronze Age blending: the Jötnar, Æsir & Vanir 15:57 Mobility, boat types and trade 23:00 “Euhemerism“ and “Hieros gamos“ 25:38 Different priorities for agriculturalists and warriors 30:50 What always happens after catastrophes 34:43 DNA studies from the east 38:18 Trading hostages - an Indo-European way of ruling 40:37 Horse & carriage 42:55 The marriage between Njord and Skade: culturally too different? 45:03 The strange heritage of Norse individualism and conformity This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Kaja Forum is a Norwegian painter with an acute sensibility to value and tender moments. Living off of commissions, Norum will explain how she balances her own wishes and those of the commissioner. She will also discuss how she approaches her own work, laying out her method of solving compositions and how she double-checks herself by comparing her own work with the old masters. In addition, Norum will talk about her favorite contemporary colleague Molly Judd, and how she has been inspired by the works of August Rodin, Eugène Carrière and Odd Nerdrum. You can visit her website by going to: https://www.ateliernorum.com/ 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Introduction 01:07 Waldorf education and the modernist hostility 06:39 First time seeing Odd Nerdrum in person 09:45 Originality vs pleasure of imitation 13:28 Norum's charcoal drawing “Outcasts” 14:24 Beauty: recognizing the human condition 21:07 Resonating with archetypal images (Rodin and Carrière) 27:24 The problem of painting from photo 31:01 Working with compositions 34:12 Working with commissions 36:41 Loose and rough paintings look alive 38:09 Practical advice on commissions 47:16 Norum's hijacked website 48:21 Commissions: spotting the carrot in it 51:35 Rodin, Nerdrum and making changes to the model 58:43 The Figurativas exhibition at MEAM in Barcelona 1:07:04 Correcting your own paintings 1:10:02 Norum on her friend and colleague Molly Judd This episode featured Kaja Norum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a charcoal drawing by Norum entitled "Outcasts". SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Eivind Josten Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 "A European invention barely 200 years old" 05:58 The Great Division 10:02 Disinterested contemplation and the new religion 14:06 "The Greeks had no word for it" 17:50 A broader idea of imitation 21:45 Finding "Art" in the ancient Greeks 23:43 No "aesthetics": The Knidian Aphropdite & Daidalos 25:37 The Middle Ages: "artifici" vs. "artist" 28:32 Rubens the factory owner & Alexander Dumas’ ghost writers 31:30 The Middle Ages and the workshop tradition 37:29 Beauty and categorization in the middle ages 44:47 The status of the painter in the Renaissance 52:45 "Renaissance Rivals" and the categorization of music 55:53 Leonardo’s Madonna and the idea of progress 1:06:07 Projecting "modern" values into the past 1:17:00 "A Proto-Aesthetic" 1:24:20 Charles Batteux and the invention of "fine" arts 1:31:31 The Enlightenment Encyclopedia: fine arts versus reason 1:34:54 From "fine" art to "Art" 1:44:01 Signs of the modern art vs. craft polarity 1:47:49 Value: from painting to painter This episode featured Bork Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Myndin Nerdrum & Eduardo Nogueira and was edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Are we progressing towards a brighter future, or have we lost something important on the way? Should we look at science and poetry through the same lens, or is that one of the reasons why we have ended up with modernism? Philosopher Stephen Hicks sits down with Classical painters, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv, to discuss the modern belief in progress and whether it is shaping the art world for good or for bad. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Belief in progress: net negative or corrective to nihilist art world? 10:08 Recycling vs decay and "spiritual racism" 18:36 Cyclical history and modern nihilism 22:24 Only the Greek sculptures are destroyed 25:08 Progress vs unchanging reality 28:53 The universal in the particular 30:15 The fish pudding 35:12 Should painters celebrate scientific progress? 38:15 A piece of burned wood in Leonardo´s hands… 40:58 Melancholy, a gold mine 45:56 Skill, sensuality, desire and poetry 49:09 Meeting people on their weakest point 53:05 Death and resurrection of Rembrandt 57:21 Michelangelo's Pietá vs David 59:34 They developed their whole life 1:04:09 Made by the same person This episode featured Stephen Hicks, Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

What are the foundational rules of storytelling and can Ayn Rand's philosophy serve as an inspiration to fiction authors? Henrik Knightingale, who just released his first play, is an objectivist with a keen interest for the work of Ayn Rand. He sits down with Jan-Ove Tuv and Carl Korsnes to discuss her ideas about literature and reveals how he went from being a modernist to a writer with structure and a clear goal in mind. Henrik Knightingale's debut play "In His Own Shadow" is now available on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CGYPVSZT 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 From unconscious modernist to clear standards 05:25 Forging a plot 10:28 The Climax: a struggle of life and death 21:38 Definition of "plot" & "theme" 22:45 Tragedy vs unfaltering heroes? 29:05 Rand's so-called "cardboard figures" 33:16 Determinism vs Romanticism 40:41 The role of volition 50:04 Balzac, Lucian Freud and Andrew Wyeth 56:00 Disregarding biographical data 58:35 Show, don’t tell 1:02:37 Which authors Rand favored 1:05:12 Life as it can be — and ought to be 1:09:54 My sense of life…? This episode featured Henrik Knightingale, Jan-Ove Tuv & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Professor James Stevens Curl is the author of the book "Making Dystopia: The Strange Rise and Survival of Architectural Barbarism". He dissects the modernist ideology as a historical phenomenon, which is not independent of the authoritarian social forces that surround it. On the contrary, Stevens Curl demonstrates that modernism became an authoritarian aesthetic ideology from early on, which eventually characterized the whole of Western culture. Where many academics in Western Europe have taken a nihilistic approach to the dystopian urban landscapes that have risen after the Second World War, James Stevens Curl chooses a firm position. As he sees it, modernism is a deeply immoral and a socially destructive project, which should be actively combated. Curl has also written extensively about Victorian architecture. Architecturally, the Victorian era was a rich era, with great building activity and saw the construction of many beautiful churches. In his newest book "English Victorian Churches", Curl explains how the European political currents of the time, British religious policy, and local engagement played a significant role in realizing this rich and beautiful architectural period." 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:33 Intro 01:48 Architecture and the surrounding landscape 05:12 “Making Dystopia”: how modernism came about 10:35 Gropius, Miese and Le Corbusier 12:41 Pevsner: “modern architecture should be totalitarian” 16:06 Totalitarian mindset and the Nazi connection 25:42 Modernist bullying and idolatry 32:38 Abandoned churches and falsification of history 44:04 The gothic style 48:33 The language of classical architecture 51:06 Defining beauty 56:56 Modernism: a disaster in every way 1:00:16 Good examples 1:07:03 Modern architecture and sculpture 1:10:26 Modernism and corruption 1:14:24 “Making Dystopia” and Curl's students 1:20:04 The role of architectural history and King Charles 1:26:42 Not just one style This episode featured James Stevens Curl & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was, on the left: a brown high-rise building under clear blue sky (photo: Dids) and on the right: St Mary's Church, Studley Royal Deer Park. (photo: Nicks-2017) SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Sturla Ellingvåg is the historian behind @VikingStories . He is is currently collaborating in DNA-projects with the Max Planck Institute in Germany, and is convinced that history has to be studied in a broader context than current fashion allows. He traces the roots of the Viking Age back to the Bronze Age and beyond, and also sees the earliest Viking raids as a pre-emptive defense against the onslaught of the "sword Christendom" of the Emperor Charlemagne. Ellingvåg takes us through Norse mythology, its connection to Greek mythology and society and how it may reflect reality in unexpected ways. Were the Norse Gods actually historical human beings and did the Vikings become more resilient through their stories? Join us as we delve into the Norse sense of life and discuss the power of their stories. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:31 Introducing Ellingvåg 01:04 Thinking across time 04:57 The Pre-emptive warfare of the vikings 10:27 Vikings: Democracy and Individualism 16:06 Elite marriage and "blue blood" 19:01 English Law is Norman Law 22:06 Starkad and the viking mentality 27:57 Scandinavian-Mediterranean contact 36:25 Scandinavian virgins at the Oracle of Delphi 43:51 Height differences and the sun winning over darkness 47:37 Norse gods: actual historical peoples? 53:57 The blood brothers Odin and Loke 56:15 Catastrophes cemented in myths 59:47 Metamorphosis of gods over time 1:05:31 Odin's search for knowledge 1:10:03 Shamanic journeys and living like animals 1:13:47 Genetic memory and canalization 1:19:53 Reconnecting through mythology 1:24:45 Ragnarok & Regeneration This episode featured Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a reproduction of the painting "Tor's fight with the Giants" (1872) by Mårten Eskil Winge. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com

Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jannik Hösel and William Heimdal to discuss how symbols should be treated in a narrative painting 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Symbolism must be grounded in reality 03:03 Can you paint dragons and angels? 10:58 Psychological tension without obvious symbols 13:56 Faithful to biblical stories? 22:05 The case for illustration 26:49 Andrew Wyeth and the miracle of the everyday 27:44 Follow your character 32:39 The mythic potential of the motif 34:18 Archetypes and manipulating proportions: a platonic approach? 38:41 Natural, not intellectual symbols 45:52 Allegories 48:07 Theophanes' icons and contour lines 50:40 Paradise is present 54:46 Attributing symbolic value to things 58:48 Sometimes the face is enough (Olga Boznanska) 1:01:45 Why masterpieces are always calm 1:07:11 Christ crucified… in Eden This episode featured Ruben Hanssen & Carl Korsnes and was filmed and edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a photograph of Azaria Civic Hall in Cayala, Guatemala by Ruben Hanssen. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com