Fine Art’s Expulsion of Craft and Sensuality: Reading Larry Shiner’s "The Invention of Art" | Part 1

Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: https://patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 "A European invention barely 200 years old" 05:58 The Great Division 10:02 Disinterested contemplation and the new religion 14:06 "The Greeks had no word for it" 17:50 A broader idea of imitation 21:45 Finding "Art" in the ancient Greeks 23:43 No "aesthetics": The Knidian Aphropdite & Daidalos 25:37 The Middle Ages: "artifici" vs. "artist" 28:32 Rubens the factory owner & Alexander Dumas’ ghost writers 31:30 The Middle Ages and the workshop tradition 37:29 Beauty and categorization in the middle ages 44:47 The status of the painter in the Renaissance 52:45 "Renaissance Rivals" and the categorization of music 55:53 Leonardo’s Madonna and the idea of progress 1:06:07 Projecting "modern" values into the past 1:17:00 "A Proto-Aesthetic" 1:24:20 Charles Batteux and the invention of "fine" arts 1:31:31 The Enlightenment Encyclopedia: fine arts versus reason 1:34:54 From "fine" art to "Art" 1:44:01 Signs of the modern art vs. craft polarity 1:47:49 Value: from painting to painter This episode featured Bork Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv and was filmed by Myndin Nerdrum & Eduardo Nogueira and was edited by Bork Nerdrum. The centerpiece was a 19th century reproduction of G. F. Watts' Hope. SHOUTOUT to our TOP SPONSORS! Fergus Ryan Matthias Proy Børge Moe Diego Subscribe to our newsletter. It is the only way to make sure that you receive content from us on a regular basis: https://bit.ly/2L8qCNn Check out our other channels: https://www.youtube.com/c/SchoolofApelles https://www.youtube.com/c/CultureWarsNow Podcast available on SoundCloud, iTunes, and Spotify: https://soundcloud.com/caveofapelles https://spoti.fi/2AVDkcT https://apple.co/2QAcXD6 Website: https://caveofapelles.com Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/caveofapelles TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@caveofapelles Instagram: instagram.com/caveofapelles/ For inquiries — talk@caveofapelles.com