The Systems Engineering Podcast

Jolly Pradhan, founder of End-to-End Innovation Consulting who helps B2B products move from idea to market. She talks about validating customer needs through interviews. She contrasts building the right thing vs building it right. She shares systems-thinking lessons on cross-discipline integration, de-risking with early stakeholders, and practical AI integration and scaling advice.

🎁 GET MY FREE PDF SUMMARY OF THIS EPISODE BELOW 🎁 https://www.joshuasutherland.com/lp/free-pdf-notes-podcast-2025-12-04-dov-dori-interview/ Use the link above to get free instant access to my PDF notes. ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 - Prof. Dov Dori: -- https://dovdori.technion.ac.il/ -- https://professional.mit.edu/programs/faculty-profiles/dov-dori -- https://www.linkedin.com/in/dov-dori-90973 - OPCloud: https://www.opcloud.tech/ - Book: Dori, D. (2016). Model-based systems engineering with OPM and SysML (Vol. 15). New York: Springer. - Book: Dori, D. (2002). Object-process methodology: A holistic systems paradigm; with cd-rom. Springer Science & Business Media. - ISO 19450:2024 - Object-Process Methodology: https://www.iso.org/standard/84612.html Selected Papers: - Kang, X., Shteingardt, V., Wang, Y., & Dori, D. (2025). Neuro-Conceptual Artificial Intelligence: Integrating OPM with Deep Learning to Enhance Question Answering Quality. arXiv e-prints, arXiv-2502. - Dori, Dov. "Model‐based standards authoring: ISO 15288 as a case in point." Systems Engineering 27.2 (2024): 302-314. - Yaroker, Y., Perelman, V. and Dori, D. (2013), An OPM conceptual model-based executable simulation environment: Implementation and evaluation. Syst. Engin., 16: 381-390. - Somekh, J., Choder, M., & Dori, D. (2012). Conceptual model-based systems biology: Mapping knowledge and discovering gaps in the mRNA transcription cycle. PloS one, 7(12), e51430. ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS ⏱️ 00:00:00 Introduction — Who is Dov Dori, what is OPM + PDF notes 00:01:48 OPM fundamentals — objects, processes, diagrams + OPL 00:05:03 Learning OPM quickly — simplicity, books, OPC Cloud 00:07:25 Origin — from information systems to systems engineering 00:14:35 ISO 19450 journey — PAS → ISO, qualitative OPM only 00:16:55 Conceptual → computational OPM — attributes, formulas, simulation 00:18:20 OPM + AI — OPL interpretation, natural language → models 00:24:15 Model-based ISO standards, contradictions, risk modelling 00:35:20 Feedback loops, system dynamics, modelling depth 00:36:50 OPM vs SysML — strengths, diagrams, communication 00:44:20 Beyond engineering — law, contracts, patents, structured knowledge 00:57:30 Neuron demo — OPM in biology + AI narrative generation 01:06:20 Future of OPM — education, kids, neuro-conceptual AGI 01:16:35 Final message 01:17:37 Outro — download PDF notes, buy books, training etc

🎁 GET MY FREE PDF SUMMARY OF THIS EPISODE BELOW 🎁 https://www.joshuasutherland.com/lp/free-pdf-notes-podcast-2025-09-19-william-d-miller-interview/ Use the link above to get free instant access to my PDF notes. ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 William D. Miller: - https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-miller-504a882/ INCOSE Future of Systems Engineering (FuSE): - https://www.incose.org/communities/working-groups-initiatives/fuse INCOSE Systems Engineering Vision 2035: - https://www.incose.org/publications/se-vision-2035 ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS ⏱️ 00:00:00 Introduction + who is Bill; PDF summary 00:01:05 At INCOSE IW 2025 — What is the future of SE? 00:01:15 Vision 2035 and shift from process to engineering of systems 00:01:36 The "ilities" challenge — integrating quality metrics 00:01:46 What a chief systems engineer actually does (requirements → sell-off) 00:02:31 Cross-discipline story - the F=ma whiteboard test 00:03:08 Back to our roots — process ≠ outcomes; "engineering of systems" 00:03:51 Four workstreams - foundations, methodology, vision/roadmap, applications 00:04:04 Application extensions beyond aero/defense (incl. healthcare, automotive) 00:04:22 Energy transition focus 00:04:36 Kodiak Island microgrid case (hydro, diesel, wind, crane regen, flywheel) 00:06:32 2003 Northeast blackout — overlooked dependencies at airports 00:07:42 Fukushima lesson — scenario planning (CONOPS) and tsunami risk 00:08:29 How to get involved- search "Systems Engineering Vision 2035" 00:08:57 Be proactive — we can't be passive about the vision 00:09:45 Vision 2035 structure - trends, current state, future, roadmap (2025/2030/2035) 00:10:53 Parting message - collaborate across the whole systems community 00:11:17 Wrap-up and thanks

🎁 GET MY FREE PDF SUMMARY OF THIS EPISODE BELOW 🎁 https://www.joshuasutherland.com/lp/free-pdf-notes-podcast-2025-09-12-michael-d-watson-interview/ Use the link above to get free instant access to my PDF notes. ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 Michael D. Watson: - https://www.incose.org/about-incose/organization/leadership/michael-watson-bio - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-watson-33294183/ NASA/TP–20205003644: Engineering Elegant Systems: - https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/nasa_tp_20205003644_interactive2.pdf ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS ⏱️ 00:00:00 Introduction 00:00:19 What it's like being INCOSE President-Elect? 00:02:26 From NASA work to INCOSE principles (and why principles matter) 00:03:20 Origin of NASA's "Engineering Elegant Systems: Theory of Systems Engineering" 00:05:15 Why systems engineering is essential at NASA 00:07:03 Adoption & impact: principles → handbooks and guidance 00:08:15 The commercial space shift - beyond big gov & primes - Parallels with aviation 00:12:25 Shuttle reuse realities vs early vision 00:14:21 Tech transfer NASA → commercial engines & rockets 00:16:46 Advice to students/early-career degrees, paths, options 00:18:26 Multiple pathways machining, manufacturing, precision build 00:20:33 How to get involved with INCOSE

INCOSE (International Council on Systems Engineering) President Ralf Hartmann explains the global evolution of systems engineering, the unique role of the International Workshop, and how INCOSE is connecting technical leaders around the world. ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 - INCOSE (International Council on Systems Engineering): – https://www.incose.org/ - Ralf Hartmann INCOSE President 2024-2025: – https://www.linkedin.com/in/ralf-hartmann-1a03a214 – https://www.incose.org/about-incose/organization/leadership/ralf-hartmann-bio ======================

Gary Smith explains the importance of systems science and how he has used his presidency of the ISSS to enable collaboration within the wider systems community. ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 - International Society for the Systems Sciences (ISSS): – https://www.isss.org/home/ - Gary Smith ISSS President 2024: – https://www.isss.org/isss-president-gary-smith/ – https://www.linkedin.com/in/gary-smith-5338aa4/ ======================

🖐️Join us on 3 July 2025🖐️ 1.30pm-5pm BST (in person at Imperial College, London or online): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/connect-to-change-tickets-1349530474979?aff=oddtdtcreator 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 - 3 July 2025 Connect to Change Event (register for in person or online): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/connect-to-change-tickets-1349530474979?aff=oddtdtcreator - Built Environment Connective (including links to documents): https://be-connective.com/ - Built Environment Connective: https://www.linkedin.com/company/built-environment-connective - Mark Enzer OBE: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-enzer/ - Alexandra Bolton OBE: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexandra-bolton-cw/ ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS ⏱️ 00:00:00 - Opening meeting Mark Enzer and Alexandra Bolton 00:00:32 - What is the Built Environment? 00:02:30 - Why systems thinking is essential 00:04:30 - Long life of the Built Environment 00:05:07 - Connected systems, disconnected institutions 00:08:30 - Urgency and long-term planning 00:09:58 - Legacy and long life of infrastructure 00:13:25 - Infrastructure corridors and lost opportunities 00:18:30 - What is the Built Environment Connective? 00:20:13 - What got the Built Environment Connective started and getting involved? 00:26:22 - Details about the 3rd July 2025 event 00:28:40 - Avoiding systems thinking as a buzzword 00:33:25 - Defining outcomes vs. defaulting to interventions 00:38:20 - The Scope-Outcomes-Systems-Interventions-Feedback model 00:47:46 - Lessons from other sectors and countries 00:52:20 - Final thoughts ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/ - https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ======================

A lively tour of systems thinking and systems acting, contrasting diagnosis with hands-on engineering. Listens through Lawson’s survival kit, core system properties, and practical tools like influence diagrams and systemigrams. Covers system types, boundaries, lifecycle stages, change management, and knowledge organization. Short case studies illustrate real-world systems challenges and design tradeoffs.

🎁 GET MY FREE PDF SUMMARY OF THIS BOOK BELOW 🎁 https://www.joshuasutherland.com/lp/free-pdf-notes-book-shah-unit-x/ Use the link above to get free instant access to my PDF notes on Raj M. Shah and Christopher Kirchhoff's "Unit X: How the Pentagon and Silicon Valley Are Transforming the Future of War". ====================== 📚 WATCH MY VIDEO SUMMARIES OF THE MOST IMPORTANT BOOKS IN SYSTEMS ENGINEERING 📚 - Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN00pQPRZHMeEp6ogIxxaPBF-iHuNVGXu- Best Systems Books: https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/best-systems-books/ ====================== ☎️ COACHING, CONSULTING & TRAINING ☎️ - Book a Call: https://www.joshuasutherland.com/book-a-call/- https://InternationalSystemsGroup.com/ ✉️ NEWSLETTER ✉️ - https://www.joshuasutherland.com/newsletter/ 🖐️ CONNECT WITH ME 🖐️ - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuasutherland - https://www.JoshuaSutherland.com/ - https://www.TheSystemsEngineeringPodcast.com/ COURSES 🎬️ Scenarios and Making Future Proof Plans: https://www.udemy.com/course/making-future-proof-plans/?referralCode=B24BABD3F3A3EB986E8A 🎬️ Object Process Methodology (OPM) for MBSE: https://www.udemy.com/course/opm-for-mbse/?couponCode=OF83024F ====================== 🔗 EPISODE LINKS 🔗 - Book: https://www.simonandschuster.co.uk/books/Unit-X/Raj-M-Shah/9781668031384 - Raj M. Shah: https://shieldcap.com/team/raj-shah - Christopher Kirchhoff: https://www.christopherkirchhoff.com/about-me ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS ⏱️ 00:00:00 - Opening 00:13:48 - 1 - What is the central idea or argument of this book, and why does it matter? 00:20:08 - 2 - How is the book organised? How should I read it? 00:33:21 - 3 - What is DIUx, and why was it created? What makes it unique? 00:36:54 - 4 - What are some of the key challenges the U.S. military faces in adopting new technology? 00:41:30 - 5 - How did DIUx overcome resistance from Congress and within the Pentagon? 00:45:58 - 6 - What are some real-world examples of innovations enabled by DIUx? 00:51:04 - 7 - Are there other entities like DIUx in the world? In military or otherwise? 00:55:39 - 8 - What role did key figures, like Ash Carter and Eric Schmidt, play in this story? 01:00:39 - 9 - How do the authors portray the global stakes, particularly regarding China's advancements? 01:03:12 - 10 - What does the future of warfare look like, according to this book? 01:03:34 - 11 - Ethical Considerations of AI in Warfare 01:04:10 - 12 - What lessons can businesses and governments learn from the DIUx model? 01:07:03 - 13 - Book's Reception and Impact 01:08:46 - 14 - Concluding Thoughts ====================== 📖 BOOK CITATION 📖 Unit X: How the Pentagon and Silicon Valley Are Transforming the Future of War Raj M. Shah Christopher Kirchhoff Scribner, 2024. 📖 BOOK DESCRIPTION 📖 A riveting inside look at an elite unit within the Pentagon—the Defense Innovation Unit, also known as Unit X—whose mission is to bring Silicon Valley's cutting-edge technology to America's military: from the two men who launched the unit. A vast and largely unseen transformation of how war is fought as profound as the invention of gunpowder or advent of the nuclear age is occurring. Flying cars that can land like helicopters, artificial intelligence-powered drones that can fly into buildings and map their interiors, microsatellites that can see through clouds and monitor rogue missile sites—all these and more are becoming part of America's DIU-fast-tracked arsenal.

Pari Singh, CEO of Flow Engineering and systems practitioner modernizing requirements for hardware teams. She talks about why legacy tools fail and how modern tooling enables fast, iterative collaboration. She contrasts software agility with hardware, explains staged de‑risking for safety, and describes Flow’s roots in rocket design and its fit for startups and regulated industries.