

School of War
The Free Press
In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
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Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Visit our Substack for episode transcripts
Follow along on Instagram
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May 21, 2024 • 46min
Ep 124: Shane Brennan on Xenophon and Leadership
Shane Brennan, Associate Professor of History and Classics, discusses Xenophon's Anabasis and leadership. Topics include Xenophon's journey, Cyrus the Younger, Matterhorn, exile, and lessons on leadership from ancient Greek military history.

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May 14, 2024 • 50min
Ep 123: Sergey Radchenko on Soviet Motivations in the Cold War
In this engaging discussion, Sergey Radchenko, a professor at Johns Hopkins and author of "To Run the World," analyzes Soviet motivations during the Cold War. He dives into how the USSR sought global recognition over ideology, using newly declassified documents to reshape our understanding of the era. The conversation also explores Stalin's quest for legitimacy and the complexities of Cold War détente, highlighting the stark contrasts between past and present attitudes towards nuclear weapons and the economic lessons for China from the Soviet experience.

May 7, 2024 • 37min
Ep 122: Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger on a Victory Strategy for China
Mike Gallagher and Matt Pottinger discuss the need for a victory strategy in America's cold war with China. They explore why detente isn't working, the importance of real statesmanship, and propose a strategy of rearm, reduce, and recruit. The podcast highlights the urgency of reevaluating tactics in dealing with China and acknowledges recent legislative success in China competition.

Apr 30, 2024 • 48min
Ep 121: Andy Lowery on Drones and Directed Energy
Andy Lowery, CEO of EPIRUS and a retired U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander, joins the show to talk about directed energy weapons on the modern battlefield.▪️ Times • 01:45 Introduction • 02:02 Before EPIRUS • 06:29 Drones on the battlefield • 13:30 Current countermeasures • 19:40 An answer for autonomy • 21:32 How does it all work? • 29:54 Beam specs • 33:45 Sci-fi but familiar • 38:11 Gallium nitride • 40:31 Cat and mouse gameFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Apr 23, 2024 • 44min
Ep 120: Iskander Rehman on the Emperor Tiberius and American Primacy
Iskander Rehman discusses Emperor Tiberius' military career, drawing parallels with contemporary strategic challenges. Topics include Roman grand strategy, Pentagon funding, Tiberius' leadership, recruitment strategies, military adaptations against Parthia, and the maintenance of spheres of influence.

Apr 16, 2024 • 45min
Ep 119: Yaroslav Trofimov on the War in Ukraine
Yaroslav Trofimov, chief foreign-affairs correspondent at The Wall Street Journal and author of Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence, joins the show to talk about the early days of Russia’s war in Ukraine, how the battlefield has evolved, and where the war may be headed.▪️ Times • 01:48 Introduction • 02:06 Growing up Ukranian • 05:03 The collapse of Kabul • 07:40 Leadership counts • 10:14 Zelensky • 16:20 How did Putin get Ukraine so wrong? • 19:49 Touch and go • 22:45 Draft confusion • 26:09 Battlefield evolution • 30:42 Countermeasures • 34:33 Washington’s tepid support • 38:11 Possible futures • 40:26 TrumpFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - Our Enemies Will Vanish: The Russian Invasion and Ukraine's War of Independence

Apr 9, 2024 • 37min
Ep 118: Michael Doran on Is Hamas Winning?
Michael Doran, Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Peace and Security in the Middle East at the Hudson Institute and co-host of the podcast Counterbalance, joins the show to talk about the Israel-Hamas war and the broader regional competition with Iran.▪️ Times • 02:04 Introduction • 04:01 Is Hamas winning? • 10:29 Fighting the clocks • 13:10 Defeat from the jaws of victory • 18:24 An Iranian-American conflict • 22:44 Managing decline • 26:40 Lessons not learned • 33:00 The Iranian nuclear umbrellaFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Apr 2, 2024 • 46min
Ep 117: Shlomo Brody on the Ethics of War
Rabbi Shlomo Brody, executive director of Ematai and author of Ethics of Our Fighters: A Jewish View on War and Morality, joins the show to talk about the ongoing war between Israel and Hamas and the Jewish tradition of military ethics.▪️ Times • 01:28 Introduction • 04:04 Just war • 07:27 The Bible as a framework • 13:34 International service • 18:33 Reprisals • 21:37 Purity of arms • 27:09 Collateral damage • 33:41 International law • 35:48 Proportionality • 39:40 A dangerous ideology Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War Substack

Mar 26, 2024 • 1h 3min
Ep 116: David Stahel on Guderian and Hitler’s Panzer Generals
David Stahel, associate professor of history at the University of New South Wales and author of Hitler's Panzer Generals: Guderian, Hoepner, Reinhardt and Schmidt Unguarded, joins the show to talk about Heinz Guderian, the myth and the man.▪️ Times • 01:38 Introduction • 02:57 Diving into the letters • 08:43 Debunking • 15:30 A sinister figure • 19:39 Achtung - Panzer! • 27:37 Guderian the Nazi • 33:42 Poland and France • 45:49 Russia • 50:50 Barbarossa bound to fail? • 54:48 Guderian the chameleon Follow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - Hitler's Panzer Generals: Guderian, Hoepner, Reinhardt and Schmidt Unguarded

Mar 19, 2024 • 56min
Ep 115: Stephen Robinson on the Case against John Boyd
Stephen Robinson, author of The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War, joins the show to talk about Boyd, the man who developed the concept of “maneuver warfare,” and what Boyd may have gotten wrong.▪️ Times • 01:21 Introduction • 02:24 “A genuine polymath” • 04:20 The OODA Loop • 07:39 J.F.C. Fuller and B.H. Liddell Hart • 13:28 The conventional blitzkrieg • 19:26 Maneuver warfare • 25:01 Cannae • 29:07 Tactical success to operational failure • 34:07 Post-Vietnam U.S. military woes • 37:24 Active defense • 43:31 Skeptical of technology • 48:07 The Defense Reform Movement • 53:50 Iraqi FreedomFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackBuy the book here - The Blind Strategist: John Boyd and the American Art of War


