

School of War
The Free Press
In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.
Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Visit our Substack for episode transcripts
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Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.
Aaron MacLean is a senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.
Visit our Substack for episode transcripts
Follow along on Instagram
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Jul 23, 2024 • 50min
Ep 134: Michael Sobolik on China’s Geostrategy
Michael Sobolik, Senior Fellow in Indo-Pacific Studies at the American Foreign Policy Council, discusses China's geostrategy. Topics include Belt and Road Initiative, Chinese imperialism, historical geopolitical theories, and strategies for countering China. The podcast explores China's expansion in key regions, the implications of BRI, and debates on deterring war with China in the Western Pacific.

Jul 19, 2024 • 44min
Ep 133: James Holland on World War II in Italy, 1943
Author James Holland, known for The Savage Storm, discusses the Allied campaign in Italy. Topics include the decision to invade Italy, the mission to Rome, battles at Baytown and Salerno, and reevaluating Mark Clark's leadership.

Jul 16, 2024 • 48min
Ep 132: Michael Kofman on the Battlefield in Ukraine (War in Ukraine #4)
Michael Kofman, Senior Fellow at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, discusses operational phases of the war in Ukraine - 'Two Wars,' assumptions, contingency, structure, field challenges, cyber overhype, and achieving favorable outcomes

Jul 9, 2024 • 55min
Ep 131: Thomas Mahnken on Strategic Fallacies (War in Ukraine #3)
Thomas Mahnken, President of CSBA, discusses strategic fallacies in warfare focusing on rationality, Hitler's actions, and dangers of under/overestimating adversaries. He challenges war being solely irrational, emphasizing the need for accurate strategic assessments.

Jul 2, 2024 • 59min
Ep 130: John Spencer on Israel’s Unprecedented War (or, Urban Warfare 101)
John Spencer, an expert in urban warfare, discusses Israel's unique war against Hamas with a focus on justice and humanity. The conversation delves into changes in urban warfare, the significance of terrain, learning on the ground, the battle of Manila, and outthinking the enemy with innovative strategies like tunnels.

Jun 25, 2024 • 53min
Ep 129: Frank Gavin on Nuclear Strategy and Ukraine (War in Ukraine #2)
Frank Gavin, a nuclear strategy expert, discusses the role of nuclear weapons in the Ukraine war. Topics include invasion insurance, Putin's potential use of nuclear weapons, and the effectiveness of saber-rattling. Gavin highlights historical contexts and the impact of nuclear strategies on global politics.

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Jun 18, 2024 • 59min
Ep 128: Stephen Kotkin on Russia and Ukraine (War in Ukraine #1)
Stephen Kotkin discusses the war in Ukraine, major victories, regime change in Russia, and the cultural identity of Europe. Topics include Ukraine's defense, revitalizing NATO, humiliating Russia, and maintaining alliances during negotiations with authoritarian regimes like China.

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Jun 11, 2024 • 54min
Ep 127: Robert Blackwill & Richard Fontaine on the Failed Pivot to Asia
Authors Robert Blackwill & Richard Fontaine discuss America's failed pivot to Asia, challenges in US trade policy, navigating strategy towards China, US values-based approach, and Henry Kissinger's views on US-China relations.

Jun 4, 2024 • 50min
Ep 126: Michel Paradis on D-Day and Eisenhower
Michel Paradis—litigator, national security law scholar, and author of The Light of Battle: Eisenhower, D-Day, and the Birth of the American Superpower—joins the show to talk about D-Day and the man behind the invasion, Dwight Eisenhower.▪️Times • 01:49 Introduction • 01:56 “Wildly under appreciated” • 05:17 Upbringing • 11:40 Seeing the world as it is • 15:01 Not that long ago • 22:14 British vs American plans • 32:50 Using strategic advantages • 36:03 Designing D-Day • 46:58 Planning for failureFollow along on InstagramFind a transcript of today’s episode on our School of War SubstackFollow the link to buy the book - The Light of Battle: Eisenhower, D-Day, and the Birth of the American Superpower

May 28, 2024 • 53min
Ep 125: Nick Bunker on America and the Early Cold War
Journalist and author Nick Bunker discusses America's early Cold War era, including Truman, Stalin, nuclear thinking, and the need to defend Korea. The podcast draws parallels between historical events and current US-China relations, focusing on Asia and Europe.


