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🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/True to form, A Rational Fear, takes a look at week's scariest news. Catastrophic ecosystem collapse, Gerry Harvey's JobKeeper bonus, sexual assault allegations in Canberra, and Schapelle Corby on Dancing With The Stars have all been loaded into the ARF canon and ready to be shot into space.Fearmongers this week:Amy RemeikisProf. Lesely Hughes (Climate Council)Adam Zwar Lewis Hobbaand me, Dan Ilic Dan Ilic  0:00  Hi this is just a little content warning that this episode of irrational fear will cover issues of sexual assault.Unknown Speaker  0:06  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundationDan Ilic  0:10  Hello Lewis. Hello Daniel. How are you? I'm well I Well, I want to be a big thank you to new and returning Patreon supporters we have our Patreon supporters have gone away and have come back, which is really exciting news for everyone.Unknown Speaker  0:23  I can understand the first part The second part is a real mystery.Dan Ilic  0:27  No, I know. A big thank you to Gus MC, no Danny rate and pate Lola, who have all joined up in Patreon this week. big thank you to everyone. How are you, Louis? You okay? Oh, I'm alright. And I mean, it's been a bit of a week. It's been a bit of a week. That's why we're here. Well, we'll kick off. I'm recording my end of irrational feet on the land of the firewall. sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  0:52  A rational fear contains no to words like bricks cambro COMM And section 40 of our rational view recommended listening by immature audience.Dan Ilic  1:05  Tonight, Attorney General Christian Porter has heard rumours that he's taking a short leave of absence but doesn't know any specifics and CHANNEL SEVEN costs repel Coby in Dancing with the Stars because March operate was unavailable and the UN chief demands Australia ends its deadly addiction to coal by 2030. In response, Scott Morrison broke into the UN chiefs house and stole his VHS recorder and sold it for a lump of the good stuff. It's the fifth of March 2021. And no journalist has ever asked me about this podcast. This is irrational fear.Hello, welcome to rational fear. I'm your host, former Duke of Essex. Danielle it's irrational fear is the podcast that holds your hand for the scariest forest of news. And we're doing it this week. So let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She spends her days wading through the rubble of trouble from the camera bubble. It's Amy ruminococcus.Unknown Speaker  2:10  That's a very nice way of putting it I wade through the piles of shit. That's my job.Unknown Speaker  2:15  That's what I do.Dan Ilic  2:15  Amy, how are your rage levels as of today for this one?Unknown Speaker  2:20  Oh, I am incandescent with rage. I don't think I'd screen burn it all down so often in my life, and that was this Monday. So you know, it's been going great.Dan Ilic  2:31  And he's one of Australia's most prolific comedy creators. He quit journalism for the stability of comedy. It's Adams wha Hello, Adam. And he regrets about leaving journalism after a week like this.Unknown Speaker  2:41  It was a wise decision wasn't it? Yeah, I I'm exhausted and I'm not even involved in any way. So I kind of mentioned how you feel me? Um, yeah, full on.Lewis Hobba  2:54  It's lucky you got out Adam, you would have been joining the mob of media bullies.Unknown Speaker  3:01  do realise I was the lightweight among journalists. I used to write show business journals.Unknown Speaker  3:05  That is one of the nastiest pits to be in show business journalism. I wouldn't I wouldn't want to come across you. alley Yeah, I'veDan Ilic  3:15  been on the I've been on the nasty end of a paid afford clip on a current affair where he he said Daniel, which I've never heard of him.Unknown Speaker  3:24  On Twitter. I don't think we've had any interactions. And then just one day I discovered I was blocked on Twitter and I was like, can you even eat? Are you bored?Dan Ilic  3:32  And our final fearmonger is considering becoming a celebrant, I've already booked him to officiate my funeral. It's Lewis haba,Lewis Hobba  3:38  allaudin. I tell you that I actually did drunkenly consider becoming a celebrant?Dan Ilic  3:43  Well, I think you should I mean, you're told you're handsome. You're good with a voice.Lewis Hobba  3:47  Thank you. I mean, I don't think that any of those are relevant qualifications to sell celebrando wedding, but um, because I get I'm sure you guys get this as well. If you talk into a microphone professionally, you get asked to emcee every wedding. Like I've emceed more weddings and I've attended. And occasionally people do pay me to DJ so I could add celebrate, then I could literally be the whole wedding.Dan Ilic  4:10  Coming up ecosystems all around Australia and the Antarctic are suffering huge levels of decline, and are on the brink of collapse. joining us to discuss which ecosystem is likely to be last and where you should be building your eco doom. bunker is climate counsellor, Leslie Hughes. But first a message from our sponsor. It's the HarveyUnknown Speaker  4:29  Norman swimming in money sale. There's so much money with drowning in profits up 116% sales up by $462 million. As a bonus, we're keeping job keeper that's right $22 million from the government to help struggling businesses during the pandemic The only thing we're struggling to deal with find space to bottle this excess $22 million tax free interest free no cashback the savings are huge. And Harvey Norman, if you're me it's the Harvey Norman Swimming in money sale. All cash just got aDan Ilic  5:07  bit of long tail out in that one. This works Firstly, the Attorney General Christian Porter claims he is innocent of any allegations of sexual assault in 1988. He was adamant that the allegations that he himself hadn't seen were completely false. It was an extraordinary press conference this week, Porter claimed that no one put to him the allegations ever. I think what he meant to say was I hadn't seen or heard anyone putting the allegations to me because the Attorney General you had a radio a mouse or pick up a phone from the hundreds of journalists trying to put the allegations to him, then maybe he would have he also had the gall to suggest that the media were trying to quote ruin his life, forgetting that someone's life was literally ruined. Worst of all consequences for Porter is that it would he would have to step down for politics and go to work in a law firm for four times the money that he's on. Now. It's a bit like Schrodinger is Korea inside his a box, and you're not quite sure whether the career is alive or dead. And the only way to find out is if you open the box, but No way. No one wanted to open that box, not even a series of successive prime ministers. The job is very important to him. After all, the twice divorced Porter only has his job. It's not like he can quit to spend more time with his families because they don't want to be near him. It was a very, very strange press conference, indeed, fear mongers what were your strangest moments from this remarkable presser? Amy, let's start with you.Unknown Speaker  6:31  I mean, it does have to be said straight up. But he does absolutely deny it even happened at all that there was any sort of consensual relationship between him and the complainant. And he just says it doesn't it hasn't happened at all. And I have to put that out there for legal reasons, because this is a live legal issue. He has already said that he is trolling through social media and news stories and like for defamation, so he denies everything. The most extraordinary part of the press conference for me apart from some random memory of a bowl of prawns that he mentioned, he remembered from the 1988 night period in question from the complainant was that he basically said that he would be if this was independently investigated, or there was an independent inquiry, he would be the first person in history to have to disprove something that never happened. And to me, that was extraordinary, because that's the basis of every not guilty or denial plea that's ever been made. You're just you're saying it doesn't happen. That's that's part of it. If you saying it doesn't happen, then you you are asked to explain your side of the story. It's not unique. And then when he went on to say that the basically the rule of law would collapse, if he was asked to, to go through some sort of other inquiry. Because you know, anyone could make any sort of allegation and it would immediately ruin a MPs Korea, which again, is not true. You have independent inquiries all the time in the sports world, in churches, in schools, in businesses, it's not an either or situation.Dan Ilic  8:19  Deadline deadline. If you say when he said if he stepped down, it would be the end of the rule of law. That was quite a quite a very strange line. Like I think we all remember when the pope retired, Catholicism disappeared. I think it's the same sort of thing. Same sort of logic He's going for there.Lewis Hobba  8:37  It is what it sort of had this like vision that if a man is ever actually or a politician has ever actually convicted of a sex crime, the next day, it's the Thunderdome.Unknown Speaker  8:47  True, yes. But like that. The the other point, though, is that we're not even talking convictions. This is not going into a criminal court. It can't. The complainant has passed away, they passed away before they made an official complaint, they withdrew it before their death. There was never any formal interview process. The police literally cannot investigate this, there is no way that they can. So this is never going to a criminal court. The only way you have to test whether he is fit to sit in the ministry is an independent inquiry, which has to be called by the Prime Minister. And he's not even being asked to to do resign. He's just basically being asked to maybe step aside while this inquiry is carried out, which is something that happens all the time. It's just It's extraordinary that we've now reached these peaks of just it's going to burn down democracy and the rule of law. If we look into this any further and the fact that the government is just picking up that line and running with it and the Prime Minister is pretending to be a passive bystander. He's like, Oh, well, you know, the police have had this I there's nothing I can do and people believe it. is extraordinary to me.Dan Ilic  10:01  It's such it's such a passing of the buck again of all kinds of responsibility like this is exactly the scomo playbook. It's like, it's not my problem. It's somebody else's problem. It's not our problem. It's not our fault. It's not my responsibility is just continually passing the buck 730s Laura tinkle made a point that back in the olden days that some people had shame and that politicians would resign that over the slightest smell of impropriety. I think one of the one of the ones that sticks out in my mind was Peter reef, like having a massive scan around Peter rates telecard card, which is his telecom card that he gave to his son that his son racked up 40 or $50,000, with a phone calls on I don't even know how you could do that. And that almost brought down the government, but like nowadays, politicians are just sticking around, they're sticking to their guns, and tough in and out yet until they pass through. What do you think is what do you think's driving this trendUnknown Speaker  10:56  going back to you know, like, you know, times when people just resigned over almost nothing, there was a resignation because someone took a Paddington Bear toy into Australia without declaring it and paying tax. There was a resignation because an MP brought, you know, he imported a colour television and he put down that it was a black and white television. So we didn't pay the proper amount of tax on that. And he resigned over that. Like, it's just we've gone from that to a point where we have had sports rights. And we've had, you know, questions over Angus Taylor's involvement in like, you know, certain other projects, then we've had bullying allegations during the Liberal Party leadership skills like the many many Liberal Party leadership skills spills. Then we've had the handling of the Brittany Higgins allegations and now we have a rape allegation. And we've still got a prime minister saying I don't hold a hose or an acquire inquiry. It's just insane to me.Dan Ilic  11:55  I think I don't hold a hose is going to be the meme of his tenure. That will be the symbol of his entire Prime Ministership. Adam, what do you think about thatUnknown Speaker  12:05  idea? Yeah, I agree. I remember there was a time when people resigned. I think they probably started a lot. They stopped resigning around 27 to 2018. I remember. I think so. Barnaby Joyce, he left the legendary Liberal Party National Party in 2018. I think that was the last resignation. I can remember really, the Al Franken who was the Senator, I remember it was 2017 that he was removed. There was a accusation that he forced a woman to kiss him. And then he he demanded an investigation into himself and I think seven other women came forward. And so he resigned. Right now you've got Andrew Cuomo, he's not going anywhere on three women have come out accusing him of sexual harassment. Trudeau three times just photographed in blackface. Attorney General of Virginia, Mark herring, blackface again. All those people that are holding firm and I think it's, you know, we can blame Trump, but I think it actually goes back to Boris Johnson when he there was a you know, a number of scandals that he was involved in that just didn't touch the sides with him. It's something about those guys that just they just huge hide. Don't care what you think. Kind of love, love the fight. You know, Boris Johnson had multiple affairs. He doesn't admit to how many children he's got.Dan Ilic  13:28  That's a great start. That is that is I don't hold a penis mate. That isUnknown Speaker  13:34  totally fine. Yeah,Dan Ilic  13:35  it's obfuscation right there. There was an article in nine papers today that said scomo praised Porter's gutsy performance is scomo the world's most powerful drama teacher Adams. Well, yeah, heUnknown Speaker  13:48  like he takes the acting really seriously because it you know, as we know, the child actor and the Vic said back in the day, andDan Ilic  13:55  do people know this that he was a child actor in a Vicks vapour drops ad when in the 70s and 80s? I didn't know that. Yeah,Unknown Speaker  14:04  yeah. We're struggling to find out which ad it actually is. It's kind of hard because you know, he's got a kind of a fat ball kid in any of the kids with hair and how do you kind of pick out scomo? There's a, I can see the tricks of the trade that he's using, you know, when he was talking about the Jenny thing the other day, and he was saying that when Jenny had talked about it with Jenny, and you know, Jenny said, think about it if it was one of your daughters. He thought he was in a Ken Loach film that when he was doing that, he was really searching for the meaning and he was like, really loading those pauses, you know, you've got to be a lovey to know like, shit, he knows and he when he's standing behind people talking, you know, they've discussed the talking points beforehand. Yeah. And it's almost as though his lips are moving like he's kind of and he's kind of getting a little bit impatient with that. They're not delivering the lines. Was he would have, and you know, he kind of he kind of does he, you know, in his smoky, horrible way he he's a, he's a strong performer, whether you like him or not he kind of just he, he holds up, he keeps holding up despite the evidence being against him.Lewis Hobba  15:19  I hit that before that performance, I think that he does with the pauses, is very reminiscent of a genuinely ANGRY DAD when you're a child. Like, I think when you're getting told off by a dad, and you can, and he yells at you, and then there's a silence that grabs you as a as like, everyone remembers that being yelled and like that. But the problem is that he started to double up on the same performance. So there was there was this one where he did that was like, come on, you know this. And then there was the exact thing from a year ago where he does the same performance. But the point of this point A year ago was that he's yelling at journalists, because like, this problem is all over the place. Women are getting raped, and we're not listening to them. And you're like, Ah, you're these performances are really now clashing.Dan Ilic  16:06  Yeah, yeah, it's not that's not the tone we need for this particular point of view right now.Unknown Speaker  16:11  You get out of the text and you get another take if you don't get it right. Well, I ended upLewis Hobba  16:17  doing we've got that one.Dan Ilic  16:19  Scott's always got another dose up to get to show he can always try it out again. There. That's it. Yeah. Amy, I want to ask you this. I don't know if you're across this. But I saw that Porter could possibly have his fate decided for him by the EEC, by the time the next election rolls around, because because of a whole demographic shift from Wi Fi to Victoria, the IEC is planning on abolishing Potter's seat of peace. Do you? Is this the most Is this the most humane way to put Porter down?Unknown Speaker  16:46  I don't know about that. It is a very live issue for why politics at the moment whether you know Porter's seat will exist. And it's going to be very interesting from a purely political viewpoint of how much political capital he still has in the wha branches because usually when this sort of stuff happens is the heavyweights get to move into somebody else's safe seats and that person ends up resigning. So you see those battles happen, you know, kind of everywhere I'm in labour went through one in Victoria, when Melbourne had a whole bunch of you know, re selections in terms of where the boundaries were going. And that sort of thing. There was a lot of shuffling around and who got to go where crayDan Ilic  17:27  cray Kelly Hughes is looking pretty attractive.Unknown Speaker  17:34  I think you'll probably stay in who there was some talk at the time that you might want Julie Bishop's old seat and that he was making a move for that even back then because it's a much, much safer seat than his is. But it really is going to depend on how the next couple of weeks, months, like play out. And when you're talking about Morrison's performance, and I refuse to call him scomo because that is a nickname he gave himself. It is a marketing day. You cannot allow the man to just create like the man, the myth, the legend with a nickname he gave himself. So we need to like you know, move on from the scomo talk. But he performs mostly for the televisions and those pauses for the grabs. He just wants the TVs to have a neat cut of him saying he's very profound statement, cut one, cut two, boom, that's all anybody hears from the prime minister and everyone moves on. Because I think if we remember about politics, one of the key rules is that you don't want people thinking about politics because if you think about politics, you'll begin to pay attention to what the government's doing and if you're doing that you will probably vote them out. He doesn't want you thinking about it. He wants you just ignoring it. going oh, that's just a Canberra Parliament bubble thing. Move on. How about them Sharky,Unknown Speaker  18:59  what I was talking about with the pauses was the was the in the in the my daughter's thing. He was trying to tap into an emotional place there to show us that he was human. And in doing so just look worse than normal. I thought I thought that I thought he was actually trying to go a little bit too far. And being a child actors when I was little child actors. They don't develop into proper actors that they retain. It's like, really two dimensional kind of truth that they search for. It's and it's on the nose.Lewis Hobba  19:30  I imagined. If we ever go back and find that big sad, it'll just be some kid coughing desperately at a young Skomer going. I don't know how to explainUnknown Speaker  19:44  that's a metaphor, the Queensland Government. I mean, that's a metaphor, the cranium, that's a matter that I'll rise with other premiers and Chief Ministers. That's really a question to the premium. That's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and Chief Ministers a rational fear.Dan Ilic  19:56  Let's move on to our second fear this week, as mentioned at the top of the show, There's a new wildcard entry for Dancing with the Stars chapelco rb, which makes me ask the question have TV producers run out of genuine Australian stars now, fear mongers. We're going to call Chappelle a star here. Who else should be given a crack at Dancing with the Stars? I've got a small list. I'm Ned Kelly. George Pell. My Brian brown still alive. Maybe we could get him on Dancing with the Stars.Lewis Hobba  20:25  I like I like Chappelle on Dancing with the Stars. But I think it should be kind of like a 90s. Right. Like she should just throw down three pills. And then the episode goes for 12 hours. We just say how long she can shuffle.Dan Ilic  20:38  This is really sad for not ignited graduates. I've always thought I thought not a graduates graduating not and now now have to go and commit some extremely drastic crimes of essays so they can get cast on the show.Unknown Speaker  20:49  Like, let's remember though, Pauline Hanson was a star on this show, after she had, you know, got out of jail after she was, you know, wrongly convicted or expunged or whatever, they ended up staying there. And before she was back in politics, we ran out of stars a very, very long time ago. I mean, I just, I think we went through, we went through whoever was in neighbours and home in a way that wasn't a hands worth and then I think maybe they dug up some like, you know, people from Better Homes and Gardens. Then they went through some like, you know, I don't know the block contestants. And then they were like, oh, who else who's coming out of jail now Pauline Hanson?Lewis Hobba  21:29  Yeah, but the reality TV pipeline now is this kind of like an Etch A Sketch, where you try to walk out of maps and you accidentally walk onto the block. And then when you leave and all of a sudden you're on X Factor, and youUnknown Speaker  21:43  are in Paradise and then you're stuck in that island and you find yourself into Viber and then you just go like, you know, putting out a raft somewhere and it's I'm a celebrity Get me out of here and it's never ending Dante circle, like reality TV.Unknown Speaker  21:57  What about the lie the cost of insiders? Phil curry on dancing and dancing stars definitely. Pay to watch that. Actually. I would pay meDan Ilic  22:08  a remake us on Dancing with the Stars. There you go.Unknown Speaker  22:10  Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I would, you know, probably dropped some really unfortunate swear word and then just get voted off and then just go straight into my next reality TV show.Unknown Speaker  22:22  And you're dancing with your mobile phones. You're watching him at all times.Unknown Speaker  22:25  Yeah, yeah, IUnknown Speaker  22:25  am. I'm just like, do you see what the fuck they've done?Dan Ilic  22:31  Adam, you're an executive producer of many TV shows. Is this some? Is it appealing to you to cast Chappelle in something?Unknown Speaker  22:38  Do you know what i like? I saw si s Australia. Oh, and I watched that with interest has done a channel seven show. I think I've watched the last you know, decade. And I really liked it and Chapelle I was very sceptical of when she came on but she was so lovely. She's a very sensitive, nice person. And that's how she came across anyway. And she won me over I was actually a little bit moved when she got voted out. I mean, she was terrible as if she shouldn't be anywhere near near, you know, she shouldn't be running 10 kilometres with a backpack on and noUnknown Speaker  23:16  one should.Unknown Speaker  23:18  And she, she, she was she was okay. So she's not gonna be any good at dancing. She'll be fobbed off in the first week. But you know, she'll be swayed about it and, and and take some money. I definitely think it was a brother did it.Unknown Speaker  23:36  They seize writable view.Dan Ilic  23:39  Turning now to activate close to this podcast heart, the end of the world. A groundbreaking report has just been released to COVID-19 ecosystems around Australia, our major threat of collapse that is deteriorated so badly. They're unlikely to recover a bit like my older brother's hairline. It's never coming back. And I feel like I'm missing. One of the authors of the report and longtime friend of the show is Professor Leslie Hughes. Leslie joins us now. Thank you, Professor Hughes for joining us. Hi, Dan.Unknown Speaker  24:07  Great to be here.Dan Ilic  24:08  So 19 ecosystems doesn't sound like a lot. But when you see it mapped out across the continent, the way that the report has it, it feels like the whole of Australia is it is in peril is an imminent collapse period.Unknown Speaker  24:21  Well, in some cases, yes. The the ecosystems as you can see on the map in the paper go from right at the northern tip, right down through the continent, right from east to west, and then down to Antarctica. They're spread out all over the place. Some of them are ecosystems that are really well known, like the Great Barrier Reef and others will be ones that most people haven't heard of, but they're all in trouble.Dan Ilic  24:47  The ones that people haven't heard of, do they need some kind of PR campaign? Is that something that we can help out with?Unknown Speaker  24:53  Yes, I guess, I guess so. I mean, some of them aren't quite as spectacular as the Great Barrier Reef for Or the Murray Darling Basin, but they're all in trouble. They all have species that are disappearing, they all provide services to to our health and well being. In some cases, they've been in trouble for a very long time. Whereas in other cases, the the evidence of decline has been quite rapid and quite recent,Dan Ilic  25:19  were the ones that the evidence of decline has been rapid, like, what are the ones that have kind of, you know, fallen over pretty quickly?Unknown Speaker  25:26  Well, we've, we've seen things for coming back to the Great Barrier Reef, you know, in the last five years, we've had three major bleaching events from from underwater heat waves. And that's resulted in about 50%, of loss of all of the corals on the Great Barrier Reef, if you think about a reef system, you can see it from space, it's more than 2000 kilometres long, and we've lost half the corals. That's a pretty major event. And it's actually happened, you know, in geological time, very, very rapidly. And then a couple of years ago, for example, just over the space of a couple of days, we had massive fish gills in the menindee Lakes, as a result of, of drought and heat and loss of water, with millions of fish dying in the space of two or three days. So some of these things can happen really, really fast.Dan Ilic  26:17  What does this kind of collapse mean for Australia's ability to feed itself to kind of, you know, provide agriculture for itself and as an agriculture nation?Unknown Speaker  26:28  Well, indeed, to the ecosystems that we mentioned in the reporter, the Murray Darling waterways, and the Murray Darling sort of what we call riparian vegetation, which is the vegetation around the river. Over the last few decades, there's been a massive decline in rainfall. And on top of that, of course, we're removing lots of that water for irrigation and for urban uses. And those two things together, together with you know, runoff of nutrients and sediment from from agricultural fertilisers are really destroying those ecosystems. And the Murray Darling Basin is where we produce a third of our food. So when when you've got those ecosystems that are so intricately intertwined with our life support system in in, in the form of our food security, there's there's some really serious things going on.Dan Ilic  27:23  And it sounds sounds dire. Like it sounds like there's nowhere to go.Lewis Hobba  27:27  Is there any positive to look at it? Can we eat the fish from them and in the lake? So can we take the bleached coral and use it to decorate Byron Bay? airbnbs?Unknown Speaker  27:36  Well, yeah, you can't eat bleached coral. And I guess you'd have to get to the fish pretty fast before they poisoned us. So there's always some creative things that you could do with that destroyed ecosystems, but it would be better to do something positive to to stop and then reverses decline.Dan Ilic  27:55  Is there an ecosystem that's thriving right now? Is there a place in Australia this like, hell yeah, thisUnknown Speaker  27:59  is great.Unknown Speaker  28:02  You know, I can't think of oneLewis Hobba  28:05  goddamnit Leslie.Unknown Speaker  28:08  I'm sorry. I mean, if you think back to the black summer bushfires, for example, the amount of area burned in those fires, is about three times the size of Tasmania is about 20% of our eucalypt forests, but that summer, so you know, that's just the East Coast and a bit of Western Australia.Dan Ilic  28:26  I was just saying, I'm in jervis Bay right now. And we've been driving up and down the south coast. And it's a hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of kilometres. It is just recovering forests. And it's so stark to drive through these places that you're I remember seeing on the news a year ago, thinking wow, like this is just this is just so epic, the amount of bush land it was burned over that summer, and it's only kind of recovering now. And I'm just thinking about all the wildlife that has gone missing, particularly over that strange, dark period.Unknown Speaker  29:00  Yes, one of my colleagues at the University of Sydney estimated that around about 3 billion vertebrate animals that's birds, mammals and reptiles probably directly perished in the fires and of course, many more would have died of starvation and predation afterwards. So but look, the eucalypt forests that you've been driving through are recovering, they'll they'll You know, they're fairly well adapted to to fires, but they're really different thing about that summer's bushfires is that we had massive fires go through rain forests, the Gondwana rain forests that the don't burn, usually. We had some a few years ago in the Tasmanian World Heritage Area that killed trees that were 1000 years old. So what we're seeing with with climate change, increasing the severity and intensity and frequency of these fires, is places burning that have never burned in the last 1000 years.Dan Ilic  29:57  With with this word that you've just kind of realised It's a big job to kind of kind of categorise every kind of ecosystem in Australia and put it kind of put it through the that that filter. How did this this job kind of come about? How did this piece of work get built?Unknown Speaker  30:16  Well, there was a workshop down in Canberra at the Academy of Sciences in 2018. That brought a number of us together to talk about what we called ecological surprises. And a number of people spoke at that conference, including myself. And when the people at the conference got together afterwards, we sort of sat around and thought, Well, look, we really should write something up. So that that this, what's been talked about at the conference can be on paper and disseminated beyond these walls. And so really, for the last couple of years, that paper has been put together, more and more people came on board who are expert in particular ecosystems. It's been a massive job, there's a massive amount of data and references in this paper. But finally, to all of our great relief, it was published last week.Lewis Hobba  31:04  I mean, given that there's, you know, 19 ecosystems, we've got the Great Barrier Reef in there, one of the most famous in Australia and the world, we still can't get anyone to do anything about that. The most famous one that we know generates billions of dollars of tourism, there's still nothing they can do about that, let alone the other 18, when you get together with your group have made these discoveries, what's the mood?Unknown Speaker  31:32  It's a good question. I think anybody that works, both in environmental conservation and climate change, and I work in both of those areas, kind of gets pretty used to being depressed about it, or and most of the time, you know, you get you do get you do have to get hardened to it, which doesn't mean that you give up and stop going. But nothing much surprises you anymore, you know, we sort of expect the worst. And on occasion, when we get a small victory, we celebrate that. But generally, they are small and fleeting victories against a backdrop of really extraordinary loss. But I mean, the alternative is to just crawl under your donor and ignore it and hope that it all goes away or gets better. And really, that's not really an option for most of us.Dan Ilic  32:22  I'm glad it's not an option for you lately. That'sLewis Hobba  32:25  great. A lot ofDan Ilic  32:29  you last time we hung out was in Paris at the climate talks. You are a representative on the Intergovernmental Panel for climate change. We're heading into cop 26 in Glasgow, first of all, what is what is cop 26 gonna look like in this kind of pandemic situation that we've got? Is it gonna be face to face?Unknown Speaker  32:52  Look, we don't know. I mean, I guess with the vaccine rollout, especially in places like the UK, which is seems to be going pretty well, I think we would hope that it would be at least partially face to face. Of course, the Glasgow meeting was supposed to happen last year and didn't happen at all. So there's another year down the track and emissions keep going up. I think one of the really major things that will be different about this year, whether it's in person or not, is the fact that Joe Biden's administration has put climate change front and centre. So that's given an enormous boost of hope, going forward. And I think that the atmosphere in Glasgow this year, will be very different to what it might have been last year under the Trump administration. So whether it's in person or not, that's a really important difference.Dan Ilic  33:44  And I don't want to kind of put you on the spot here. But what do you think Australia is going to take to Glasgow, do you think Australia is going to be a better actor than it has been at previous conferences of parties?Unknown Speaker  34:00  Well, look, you've just been talking earlier in the podcast about this government's ability to just sort of soldier on unchanged regardless of extraordinary scandal, the government's attitude to climate changes is also an extraordinary scandal. But they've proved thus far to be able to sort of tough out all sorts of things. So my prediction would be is we'll go to Glasgow with no further level of ambition, then we took to Paris despite all evidence that that is not enough. I'd love to be surprised by that.Dan Ilic  34:39  Like even with Europe in the UK standard, think about financial penalties for in tariffs on count on high carbon countries. Do you think that'll change what we take to Glasgow at all?Unknown Speaker  34:52  Well, it might do in fact, I think that's probably the only thing that will turn this government around to being a better player in this space. You know, if places like the EU, and the US start to impose carbon tariffs on countries like Australia who are not pulling their weight, then we will have to change because we are so reliant for our economy on on our trade. So, you know, it's sad that we should be dragged kicking and screaming to that position when Australia has so much to learn from renewables and green manufacturing,Lewis Hobba  35:30  it does seem like Australia has two options. One, that option, the smart one to Jenny starts to care. AndDan Ilic  35:41  it's the battle for Jenny,Unknown Speaker  35:42  you know, we should put it to Scott that his his kids and grandkids are going to live hopefully into the next century. And if we, if we carry on the way we're going with three degrees or more of temperature increase, that is pretty much an uninhabitable world that those kids and grandkids are going to be inheriting. So if he really does care about his kids, if anybody cares about their kids and future generations, they should be absolutely as passionate about climate action as I am.Dan Ilic  36:15  And Leslie, as part of this big bit of work that you've released this week, you've kind of put together a bit of a scheme called the three A's a way that people can kind of do their kind of get involved with their own action in meaningful ways. What are the three eyes?Unknown Speaker  36:33  Yeah, we wanted to put forward a sort of a framework of hope going forward, we didn't just want to catalogue the problems, and so many of these sorts of papers do. So the first day is awareness, you know, and that's what we've been doing with is raising awareness about the true extent of the trouble with Australian ecosystems are in. The second is anticipation. If you can anticipate future decline, hopefully, you can get in and do something about it before it happens. And the third eye, of course, is action. And what we do in the paper is for each of those ecosystems, we outline a series of management actions that if implemented, would help halt and possibly in some cases, reverse the decline. Of course, most of those are local actions that address things like habitat clearing and over allocation of freshwater and that sort of thing. But on top of all of that, is the global action that we need on climate change.Dan Ilic  37:31  If I was not a generous person, I'd asked you why. There wasn't a fourth a Angus Taylor, why wasn't that on the list?Unknown Speaker  37:39  Well, Angus Taylor gets the prize for the most Orwellian named ministry, you know, the Minister of emissions reduction that is wanting us to put in new coal fired power stations, you know, it does beg a beliefLewis Hobba  37:53  he's absences. The fourth is is kind of a whole it's a it's an A Paul.Unknown Speaker  37:59  Very good.Dan Ilic  38:01  That's it for rational A big thank you to all of our guests, Professor Leslie HughesUnknown Speaker  38:05  Adams. Well,Dan Ilic  38:06  Amy remake of St. Louis harbour, haveUnknown Speaker  38:07  you got anything to plug?Dan Ilic  38:08  Amy, do you wanna plug anything? No,Unknown Speaker  38:11  just speak to your MPs just be loud and angry and not at me and social media. Like just take it to the people who represent you. It's the only way you're going to get action.Dan Ilic  38:22  atoms. Why do you want to plug anything?Unknown Speaker  38:24  Nothing to plug then? Which is a relief, isn't it?Dan Ilic  38:28  It's very good, Louis. How about what are you plugging?Lewis Hobba  38:31  Nothing, Dan. on the radio show, you can listen if you like, butDan Ilic  38:35  yeah, no big deal. Leslie Hughes, what do you have anything to plug?Unknown Speaker  38:39  I'd like to plug the climate Council, which is working very hard. And they're now in our eighth year to inform the Australian public about climate change.Dan Ilic  38:48  And for the kids who are listening to this, ask your parents about what the climate Council is and how it was formed. It was this incredible story over a two week period where where one government department got shut down and the cabinet and the climate council came together with a whole bunch of public donations. And it was absolutely remarkable, very inspiring stuff. Amy, on a personal note, thank you for your hard work this week. It's been so fun watching you on Twitter, and heartening to see you at the coalface of such a very difficult story and helping all of us on twitter in particular channel outrage as to what was going on. So thank you. Oh,Unknown Speaker  39:28  thank you for listening.Dan Ilic  39:29  Big thanks to red marks the birth of foundation our Patreon supporters Jacob round on the tepanyaki timeline Rupa degasser He's incredible voice Kelly and David Payton all the discord crew. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of good night. A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/We're back, just like Facebook news, and just like Facebook we're giving out money to Australian publishers (if we feel like it). If you're a major publisher of news content and want some coin, hit me up at dan[at]arationalfear.com, or if you're an Australian Treasurer giving away pre-election grants for towing the party line, hit us up too, we'll say what ever you want, it may come across as sarcasm, but we'll give it a go.On the podcast this week, we examine Facebook without news, we dob in some dole bludgers, we celebrate WA Opposition Leader, Zak Kirkup, conceding before he's run and election. Also we interview Omri Marcus, the creative director of Israel's only progressive party, Meretz. Omri gives us super interesting inside look of how broken Israel's unicameral system is.Fearmongers this week:Declan Fay (The Sweetest Plum, and Crossbread)Emily Johnson (@Howdoidelete1 on TikTok)Lewis Hobba (From the ABC's Triple J)Dan Ilic (me, from this podcast)CheersDan🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/-----------TRANSCRIPTION FROM OTTER.AI----------- Bertha Announcement  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birther foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Hey, Louis, how are you? Well, Dan, how are you? Excellent, excellent. We've got a whole bunch of new Patreon supporters this week. I want to give them a big shout out James Smith, who is a fellow board member at FBI radio with me, we started where were we started a rational for you. Thank you, James Ben Gittens, Rob Bartlett and Louis. Next week marks the first anniversary of us starting our Patreon. And we had we started with the goal of being able to pay for our editor, which is we've done which is great. Now like to see if we can get enough patrons to pay for a holiday No. To pay for drugs, no, no, no, to pay for a video producer to help us make videos with us. So if you are into what we do, please chip in on the Patreon you you may you may remember, back in 2014, we ran a possible campaign and we raised $50,000, to make 13 weeks of digital video content during the elections. And we spent every single cent of thatLewis Hobba  1:05  was great. It's doing that. It's the first time I've ever had a chance to go bankrupt. It was aDan Ilic  1:09  thrill but it was like, Well, we've got this money, we need to spend it on making content on the internet. That's a good investment. Well, it's election season coming up and it would be great to do the same. But you know, video is way more expensive than audio. So if you've thought about becoming a Patreon supporter, now's a good time to chip in for as little as you like. $1 or $3. We have some guy paying us $500 a month, which is ridiculous. Big thanks to David Okada for that. Are you ready to start the show? Lois?Lewis Hobba  1:34  I'm ready, dad.Dan Ilic  1:35  I'm recording my end of irrational feet on gadigal land and the Euro nation's sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  1:42  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks can rub gum and section 40. a rational view recommended listening might emerge your audienceDan Ilic  1:55  tonight as an independent Craig Kelly says he will vote on his conscience. However, Kelly understands the word conscience means con science. And the first of April will say job caper increased by just $25 a week Scott Morrison hopes everyone on the program will enjoy his April Fool's Day joke. And at an International Women's Day event, Scott Morrison reflects on bungling the biggest scandal to come out of camera as a husband and as a father. It's the 26th of February 2021. We have struck a deal with Facebook. This is irrational fear.irrational fear I'm your host disgraced former elite athlete Dan Ilic. And joining us tonight as some incredible fear mongers. He grew up komova in order to foster a look that says former scout leader but instead of cutting it off to he settled for a look that says reformed murderer. It's the CO creator of Ronny Chang, the international student and co host of the sweetest plumb Declan Fay, thanks for joining us.Unknown Speaker  3:04  I'm very sad if I hadn't known you were going to mention it I would have kept it it's gone. You know, when people went a bit strange during the lockdown when Melbourne hit that second lockdown, I thought I need to set a goal for myself. And I set a goal to grow a comb over and it's really hard to get it to get all the way across.Dan Ilic  3:25  My uncle has a comb over and you look just likeUnknown Speaker  3:30  well, it combination of a lockdown not much natural light plus the comb overhead started to make me look like a very ill old man. And then my partner said to me at one stage, she said I'm just unconcerned. This is having an adverse effect on our relationship. So decided it had to be show it's goingDan Ilic  3:52  and our next guest has over 2.5 million likes on Tick Tock. We can't wait to ask her. What is Tick Tock? You may know her is how to delete one for the purpose of us boomers here on the podcast. We'll call her Emily Johnson. Welcome.Unknown Speaker  4:05  Hi, everyone. Thanks for having me.Dan Ilic  4:07  Now what is it like to be one of the most influential people on tik tok in Australia?Unknown Speaker  4:12  I mean, I don't think I'm influential. I think I'm, I'm just the anti troll of tea talk.Dan Ilic  4:19  And finally, it's a man who has yet to receive his free care. It's Louis harbor. Honestly,Lewis Hobba  4:25  I wake up every morning I run downstairs like a kid at Christmas. And I say QianUnknown Speaker  4:29  here today.Lewis Hobba  4:32  Nokia. I mean, frankly, if it haymitch Blake can't get me a Kia.Dan Ilic  4:37  Who can? I emailed Hamish Blake throughout the week and I said thanks for doing the show. Sadly kid didn't give us any cares. And he said Oh, that's interesting. They sent me three soDeclan Fay  4:48  it's gonna be harder for you to get one because key is have tried to go cool that they used to be the dorky family car that the guy would be like look if you can't afford a kind of toy or maybe you want to see the key He'd say it like kind of like you know he was showing you a dirty nappy but during the Australian Open they all kind of really cool and the ads are like they sort of the old doing like spins and kind of burnouts have tried to rebrand them. That's me.Lewis Hobba  5:14  I'm a bad boy on the bad boy. Family wagon.Dan Ilic  5:19  A very rich,Lewis Hobba  5:22  I'm dangerous. I break down emotionally. I'm just like,Dan Ilic  5:27  you're a guy that says I can do I can do burnouts with six kids in the car. Let'sUnknown Speaker  5:31  do it. Yeah.Dan Ilic  5:35  Coming on the podcast, we talked with the creative director of one of Israel's longest running progressive parties, and we'll ask him what's it like to know you're going to lose another election? But first, here's a message from our sponsor.Unknown Speaker  5:45  This episode of irrational fear is brought to you by mykhailiuk caches dumping a dove ledger hotline if you know someone who is earning hard earned money from taxpayers and is refusing to do their job. Just call one $800 blood JoeUnknown Speaker  5:59  mykhailiuk cashes dog ledger hotline. Yay. Hi. I saw a man taking tax payers money and completely refusing to do any work. Yes. Do you have his name and a job? Yes, his name is Scott Morrison. He's the Prime Minister. He just gives all the jobs to the state premiers to the it is so unfair. Someone who actually wants the job could be doing the job heaps better. Right and what's your name? My name yet? Anthony L. Albert sneezy.Unknown Speaker  6:34  One 800 dove ledger because there's nothing more Australian than dubbing in your mates.Dan Ilic  6:41  Well, first fear it is sponsored related, but it's not exactly sponsored content. The government has announced this week they're going to be god damn heroes and increase the job seeker payment by $3 60 a day. Ah, good. Oh, that's almost a cup of coffee in a capital city. The government is establishing also establishing a hotline to dobbyn unemployed Australians who refuse job offers. Now this does not bode well for me. I had perfectly good reasons not to go on Celebrity Big Brother in 2012. I just don't have to explain it to my mom, and centerlink fearmonger Have you ever had a job offered to you that you didn't want to take Dec? I mean,Unknown Speaker  7:19  I've worked in the entertainment industry. So every job I've had to take a look. Take at some stage. I've done numerous jobs I didn't want to take anytime somebody rings you know what the you know what the big job is? It's not actually like a company offering it to you. It's when your mate rings and said are I just could you just help me for a few hours tomorrow move house. And you know that that few hours is you know, you know that that stretching into 678. We're going into 12 hours it's akin to can you pick me up from the airport, it's the two greatest pressures you can ever put on a friendship that's actuallyLewis Hobba  7:56  a great like, mate for the doll would be a great scheme. Pick me up the airport helped me move house. All that like I need someone to help me move a fridge. Any of those things. Can you pick up a six pack for the party and just farm them out to door to door workers.Unknown Speaker  8:18  It's actually perfect because this government is obsessed with those kind of Ozzie mate ship things. So if they put in a thing, where you suddenly get extra on your doll, like work for your mate on the dole, people would absolutely love that. But you could imagine imagine Scott Morrison just coming over that.Dan Ilic  8:37  Emily, have you ever had to take a job you didn't want to take?Unknown Speaker  8:40  Yes I did. After uni I was in a job network. And they got me to work at Kohl's. It didn't last very long. I remember I was in the deli it actually locked box myself in the deep freezer with a forklift. And I kind of stood there and I was like it's Tom believe.Unknown Speaker  9:01  Were you driving the forklift?Unknown Speaker  9:03  It was one of those. I don't even know what it's called. It's like a pallet jacks. His head controls to move it around and I'd maneuvered myself into a corner.Dan Ilic  9:16  So I worked at Franklin's which is another supermarket of a bygone era. And I remember being so driven to tears after every shift like if I if someone if my boss dumped on me for not turning up to work through this, this this phone call I don't know what I'd say. What do we explain to settling that it was crushing my soul and I didn't want to do it anymore. is can I please have $3 60 extra dayLewis Hobba  9:39  a lot of my like uni work was at a wider a lot of Italian restaurants in Melbourne. And the rumors are true that people who run them. They like having a cash business for whatever reason. If I had a dog, dog, man, I'd be in the ground like I'd be wearing concrete Yeah,Dan Ilic  10:03  I CTU president Michelle and Neil among other people are really concerned that this could be open to exploitation Can Can you see how this this Domino logic could be exploited on your own nefarious needs?Unknown Speaker  10:14  The government have been so fantastic at handling any kind of administration or bureaucracy if people are on centerlink I can't see this going wrong at all like Don't you think that after Robo debt after kind of multiple inquiries into this after all this stuff that Emily that wouldn't you just stay away from any kind of administering this?Dan Ilic  10:36  Well maybe Robo debt that's their new job maybe Robo debt is is on to the dole a phone call now so they they've been repurposed because every robot needs a job. When you call up you actually have to talk to Alexa. DobbyUnknown Speaker  10:54  isn't so much a job but I did when it's the on the same day that they announced it and they had that thing that you just said that robots to it centerlink to employ robots to check on admin or doll budgets. And it was the same day that Daft Punk retired. Well, that is a very odd career trajectory.Dan Ilic  11:15  Yeah, man I just want to dub on my worker he's a he quit because he couldn't stack harder, faster, taller.Unknown Speaker  11:22  Very good. Very, very good.Dan Ilic  11:25  What other hotlines Do you think this government should actually invest in? Maybe mishandled a scandal hotline, press one. to reflect on an issue like a father press two, to reflect on an issue like a husband press three to reflect on a scandal like a shocking fan?Lewis Hobba  11:43  or any of the politicians to answer it and it could be like an anti phone sex line. Like anytime you're horny and you want to make sure you're not horny. You just call like the government and just immediately This is a huge boner killer just like Oh, God. Yeah.Unknown Speaker  12:00  irrational fear here with the hungry Jack's drives for continued as a vehicle lifted trial of black rubber. It's understood the driver ordered a soft serve ice cream and hungry Jack's, but when they didn't have any he was angry and did the burn out.Unknown Speaker  12:16  This is a rational fear.Dan Ilic  12:18  This week, second tier Facebook likes it looks like it's bringing news back to the platform, which is a complete shock to D radicalize boomers who are just adjusting to reading to the news on the printed page. Again, I don't know about you, but I've actually felt better. In the case of my Facebook feed. No news is great news. My friends from school, have kind of stopped posting about Pauline Hanson and instead posting about gardening and that is a net win for me. If you are confused as to what this whole thing is all about what is going on here, the winners and the losers. We've got a bit of an explainer on how the media bargaining code works put together by one of the Friends of the podcast.Unknown Speaker  12:54  So why isn't there any news on your Facebook news feed? Here's a quick explainer by me rupert murdoch left 10 on general of the news corp and assorted Expeditionary Forces. Now, Mark Zuckerberg owns a website, Facebook's and Google owns a website called Google. And their websites owns the data of all Australians who use which means they know what you want before you do. They're really good at selling advertising. I own a newspapers that are really bad at selling advertising. And those newspapers own the Australian Government and the Australian government makes laws. So one day on a whim, I thought Geez, Louise, we're bad at selling ads. Not everyone wants 60 month interest free deals for electrical computers, furniture, bedding and flooring from Harvey Norman. Some people want magnetic lashes meggings of make your bum pop and other bullshit. We have no idea. But then I said to myself, Rupert, you own a perfectly good government. It's just sitting there doing nothing. Maybe you can get them to force the blokes with the websites that are good at selling ads to give us money. Then I call the government to my house by private jet made them pay for it. And I said hello government man. I forget their names. I've had a lot of staff turnover lately. If you still enjoy being the government, can you do this? And they said we do still enjoy being the government boss. Yes. And yes, we can do that. Now the websites that are good at selling ads have to by law, give me money. And the best part about it. Googles and Facebooks give the money straight to me tax free and we wouldn't have it any other way of why start paying tax. Now, some journalists would say, oh, that there's no way to guarantee that money will be invested in new journalism. Well, none of those journalists work for me. I don't hire journalists. Oh, and news is coming back to your Facebook feeds very soon. Mark said to the government, he only wants to pay us money if he feels like, well, I respect that. At the end of the day, Facebook, Google and I all agree that we're not going to pay any money to the Australian Government. Because why would you? There are a bunch of cowards.Dan Ilic  15:39  So how do you folks feel about this? Emily, how do you feel about news coming back to your Facebook feed?Unknown Speaker  15:45  I'm ecstatic. I was devastated when it was all gone. What? Cuz it's, it's a part of what I do like to go like shuffling through the comments section for that. Perfect, like bigoted Bogan from Queensland, going off about you know, come out and be that rock and move and I'm like, this is gold for me.Dan Ilic  16:07  See, it's actually fuels your work. You're missing it because it actually the comments actually a fuel for your your creative over?Unknown Speaker  16:16  Yeah, and I mean, people like to turn a blind eye and say that Australia is so progressive this and that. It's like, take a look at the comments section on Facebook. That's Australia, right there.Lewis Hobba  16:26  You're warming your hands on just the garbage fire of democracy. I mean, I don't the only the only person I know who posts on Facebook is Dan. Really, it's the same as getting a text from Dan I'mUnknown Speaker  16:40  having. It was very peaceful for a few days. Like I kind of know that eerie feeling when you're at school, and you were like, nine in year 10. And the senior kids were away for some reason. And it's like there's this kind of eerie calm hangs over everything. And you know, it can't last you know your place in the pecking order. You know, your mommy's gonna start tagging you instead of cute cat photos from 10 years ago all over again. It was this. I really liked it. I won't be going back there. I don't need to I don't need to see that been fired for a while. ButDan Ilic  17:16  there are many there are so many other platforms. You can harvest comments from what is it about Facebook comments that you can't get from other social media becauseUnknown Speaker  17:24  it the the audience on there that I'm not trying to bash on people, but it's like the common people. Like everyone's just like random uncle or whoever that has an iPad plugs onto his Facebook. Like, that's the sort of information as well, so they're not very exposed to the media. So they just ate it up. Yeah. AndDan Ilic  17:48  you know, in 2016, when I hitchhiked from Hobart to Airlie Beach for the election and interviewed people in the car on the way. And I had to say people at the top of the country at the bottom of country were all heavily into Facebook and all got their information there news from Pauline Hansen's Facebook page. She was the main she was the main purveyor of information for that like that didn't didn't pick didn't follow any of the news service. They'd followed Pauline Hanson to get the news. And it's like, it's so strange. Like this is such a force. It would be such a shame to have that back, cause I mean, Facebook has been renowned for destroying democracies around the world, can I just do something right? Protect our democracy shut themselves down for the good of the country.Lewis Hobba  18:29  It wouldn't wait. Everyone's deed stopped going down. It was a bit of a kick. There was like a sense of popularity contests as well, like, the people who got taken down were important. And if you're if you remained you were a loser. If you had a Facebook page that reported to us, and you were allowed to like, what that said is you don't matter. No one is down to you. No one is listening to you. It was it was interesting, because people go Ah, I guess I'm still up. I guess I'm irrelevant.Unknown Speaker  19:01  It's the equivalent of the podcast that I do. We a couple of times have been worried about defamation, just because of things you say on the spur of the moment. And I asked my partner who is a lawyer and who has worked in defamation law, she would listen to it and I'd say what do you think is this defamation and she'd say, technically it is but people will need to prove a large reputational damage and there's no way that your podcast qualifies as that.Lewis Hobba  19:31  Like a legal burn from a partnerUnknown Speaker  19:36  there's no way to come back from it. It's you know, it's it's it's equal parts relief in equal parts of devastation.Dan Ilic  19:44  I really loved the week before Facebook Banned on Facebook, the top 10 posts that we're getting the most engagement top 10 over performing posts were Seven News seven news abc Bittu dot csps. The chaser abc news Seven years and then the next week the top 10 posts were the tuna tuna, tuna, tuna tuna the chaser, the chaser metoda Penrith Panthers.Unknown Speaker  20:13  We will have consumers who will miss out on accessing quality news journalism.Lewis Hobba  20:18  We understand that ICT Hill, Queensland Hill, South AustralianDan Ilic  20:23  dementia Australia's kids cancer project and bowel cancer Australia will be in effect a rational fear. Third fear for the weak opposition leader Zach Kirkup has done a candid interview with the West Australian in the lead up to the Western Australian election basically basically conceding the election, two weeks out before the election date. This is the headline splashed across the West Australian today. I accept 2020 is not my time, which is what I say to myself after I've pitched irrational fear to every TV network in the country this year. So theme mongers What do you think of this strategy Lewis to come out there and say basically, I'm gonna loseLewis Hobba  21:00  in a couple of weeks. every politician does this in every election. It's just that this is the only time you believe it like that. Australians love the underdog. So before every election, everyone is kind of going no, I guarantee I'm going to lose. It's the opposite to every country. And I it's one of my favorite things about Australian democracy. No one wants you to believe in them. And and we shouldn't and then eventually disappoint us. We're like, well, we shouldn't have believed in you too big to begin with. But this is the first time someone has said I could I don't think this is my year and the like, but no one does.Dan Ilic  21:31  Emily, would you vote for Zach with a phrase like this?Unknown Speaker  21:35  Oh, I think it is. It's good. Like, reverse psychology. I've been like, you know, I'm not gonna win. Like you should pity me. Pity vote me.Lewis Hobba  21:43  Yeah. It's like a person, like the person who studies hates in year 12. And then goes, I haven't studied and so the exam like Oh, did I do? Well, I don't know. I didn't even try.Unknown Speaker  21:53  I didn't find it. Interesting. I mean, my two thoughts on this was one is that I follow politics. I'm pretty deep in politics. I've gone down some dark political rabbit holes on social media. I didn't know that. The opposition leader in Western Australia was cold. Zach cook up until you sent me this article. I swear to God, and Zach. No one's gonna win with the name Zack Kirkup. It sounds like the kind of noise you make when you're choking on something.Dan Ilic  22:25  Yes, yeah. The most famous West Australian should really run for this job. Hot Dogs should be running for the liberals. As a leader, hot dogs could get us get people's votes, election up light. I mean, it takes the pressure off, that's for sure. I mean, everything's kind of a nice surprise. Oh, we gained a seat. Not bad. You remember when I said it wasn't our time. But look, we did better than we thought. The current status is Labor has got 40 seats, liberals have got 13 so labor is pretty much entrenched. There. There's absolutely no way they're gonna move that he said this on a podcast earlier today. I'm throwing myself on the barbed wire so I can get as many of them across the fence as possible. Why is he Why is he even running? Oh, why is why is that cookieUnknown Speaker  23:14  even running? It sounds like he's actually kind of getting off on it. In a way. He's getting a kind of mild sexual thrill over how badly he's gonna look.Unknown Speaker  23:24  Bad. Tell me about that.Dan Ilic  23:27  One great clip of the week, I just want to play for you now. It is, it is a woman getting the first COVID-19 vaccine sitting next to Scott Morrison.I just love that. The woman at Scott Morrison osuna do Viva vaccine, he does the pace on she tries to the pay sign. And then they move her hand around to the RPO sign. Then he immediately grabs her and tries to stop her from doing anything for the cameras long after it's far too light for those images that go viral. An incredible image for this week, that was the most perfect better visit.Unknown Speaker  24:18  The only way the only way that would have got shared more was if he hadn't grabbed it even a tiny bit harder and she had actually died as he grabbed. Can you imagine that's what I felt like she's quite frail. She's just had an injection. Everybody knows you don't want anybody within kind of 10 meters of you when you've had an injection. And he just wraps her up I really because she looks quite frail and her fingers are quite sort of, you know, they're just she's quite old and I just really worried for her she felt after he grabbed her.Dan Ilic  24:51  This is a really interesting moment this week because all the leaders of the major parties were all meant to get their vaccine at the same time. That Day after this. So what Scott Morrison did was he called a press conference the day before everyone was meant to get it together, just so that he could be the first actually staged up this entire moment in a week where, you know, three liberal staffers are accusing, accusing somebody of sexual assault. Do you think this is a good look for a prime minister be grabbing an old lady Emily,Unknown Speaker  25:25  no way, I mean, shit. And the thing is like it was the whole sorority bolted. And now you just look like a total like aggressive creeper. And he's always grabbing people's hands, he can't stop reading people's hands. Twice.Dan Ilic  25:42  That is so true. I totally forgot about the bushfires where nobody wants to shake his hand. And everyone has had this aversion to Scott Morrison. And he's really forcing himself upon the electorate in a very literal way. The other partLewis Hobba  25:56  of that story it to put into context, why he was looking so confused that this that he was grabbing your hands, is she did a follow up interview later on in the day. And they were like, they said, How was it to get your injection with the Prime Minister? And she said, Oh, the Prime Minister wasn't there. And then I said, No, the man next to you was the Prime Minister. And she went, Oh, Oh, right. Whoa, oh, I didn't realize that that they sent me around. But I didn't know who he was. And so she had no idea who this strange man grabbing her hand was?Unknown Speaker  26:28  Yeah, who did she think he was?Dan Ilic  26:34  In her in her defense, she still thinks the Prime Minister is Robert Menzies. SoUnknown Speaker  26:42  this is a rational view.Dan Ilic  26:45  Joining us now is the creative director of merits one of Israelis, most left parties. And he's, he's kind of only a few weeks out from election. So we thought we'd take the moment to try to understand what is Israeli politics all about? Omri Marcus. Thanks for joining us on irrational fear.Unknown Speaker  27:02  Oh, sorry, I know that you will explain to me what all is well.Dan Ilic  27:12  Hoping that you could tell us, you know, Australian comedy podcasters in less than a sentence. You know, what, what, how does Israeli politics work?Unknown Speaker  27:22  Well, it's not that much of a difference from your system. It's also a correlation that is based on a couple of parties that are building a coalition and choosing the Prime Minister. And but it's not working that well in Israel. So for the last two years, we've been going to vote four times this is going to be the fourth round of elections in less than two years.Dan Ilic  27:48  Wow, you you have more elections than we have prime ministers. That's incredible.Unknown Speaker  27:52  I know and department um, we are also similar in the fact how important our labor parties are. And we are actually nurses, not one of the leading a left wing parties in Israel, we are the only Labour Party in Israel, and which is kind of like it's a pity when we're around 16 or 1717. A party's we are the only left wing Liberal Party. It's a dying species. It's us and the dinosaurs.Dan Ilic  28:22  So how do you I mean, how do I how do you try to cut through to kind of change people's minds on on politics in a place like Israel?Unknown Speaker  28:31  Well, listen, the only way we can win is that if they will switch the system from voting into raffle. So whenUnknown Speaker  28:42  you're you must be an inspiration to your followers. You're more of an inspiration than the state labor puts the state opposition leader in who said he's not going to win, and no one should vote for him.Unknown Speaker  28:57  Yeah, well, I'm thinking that maybe there is kind of like a world pandemic that is happening to labor parties, that it's not like they feel like it's not the year even though you know, everything is collapsed. and still they are not able to show that they are the alternative. But you're so limited resources, we need to think outside of the box of how you can stand out among you know, 17 other parties out there. And we came up with a lot we call what we are mostly working on using free media. So we are creating a lot of standards and gimmicks. So we will be noticed. Our first campaign was about a we put a campaign on Tinder and we're a team of 80 of our supporters switch their profile pictures into a our slogan, which is you can count on us. We won't run away the morning after you remember your aggressive slogans and then we did the night thing where we put on a Amazon boxes of people where they used to get their boxes. And we put a nice sticker of us saying, you know what you're getting with us. And so everybody that got their Amazon package got it with a sticker of us on it saying you know what you're getting. Last week, we did something very nice. We put on the Billboard on the highway main highway in Israel, we put a picture of the Minister of Education with his mobile phone number with his extra mobile phone number thing. You know, he's so proud about what he was doing this failing clown. Give him a call. Tell him what you think about his work.Dan Ilic  30:43  And did you hear from him? If he got any calls?Unknown Speaker  30:47  He tried to call us but his line was busy most.Unknown Speaker  30:53  Omri, can I can I ask you honestly, what is your IP? Obviously, it's very funny what you're saying. And there's obviously a strong element of truth to what you're saying about your party and your role in the in the politics of the area. But what what is the aim for your party? Like when you get to this fourth Election Day in two years? What will you be happy with with the result? Well, thereUnknown Speaker  31:18  is about that. underneath it, we won't get into the parliament, which is four seats. And if we will get into the parliament, that would be a huge victory. For me. It's, it's very easy for me to say because you know, we are supposed to be much more dominant, but it is very middle age and times and very dark era. And we are hoping at least to get into to the parliament in order to show the alternative. armory, whatLewis Hobba  31:50  are the like, what's the what's the main issue? Do you think that you wish your party could could connect with like in Australia, for instance, like climate change is a baffling one. All center parties, all right parties, everyone. No one wants to anything about climate change? The only people that want to do it are the sort of further left parties. what's what's that sort of issue for you? Well,Unknown Speaker  32:11  I know where we are standing about climate change. But this is because we are the only party that actually published a political platform with our ideas. So I can't really tell you in comparison, the topics, you know, it's a false round of elections. So I don't really expect to change anyone's mind. It's very identity politics is very dominant, and people knows exactly what they are in favor of and and everybody minds is very set. So my goal right now is just to keep my audience motivated, and to try and bite the other sides on painful places. So they would kind of like to get some new audiences but it's going to be marginal the amount of new audiences that you will get.Dan Ilic  33:00  Have you thought about Red Hat's with the text make Israel reasonable again?Unknown Speaker  33:06  Oh, yeah. Finally, you're asking, we did open a merchandising store with our with products because our goal is to do something very emotional. So we did nice socks with the one of them is written on it left and on the other one is written not left. And we did one a condom with our logo on it saying you will fill us for sure. And we did an umbrella thing this is not rain, what you are having all kinds of, you know, things like that.Dan Ilic  33:35  How does it feel to know that is the whole political party looking to you to come up with ideas so that you know that they can get into parliament? Have you? How do you feel about that?Unknown Speaker  33:45  It's it's hard Actually, it's quite. I would prefer to discuss serious topics in depth and to have a serious discussions but it became such a circus that you kind of like you need to stand out and buy we should check out our zoom call advertisement of cats, because obviously left wing liberal as they love cats, so we did a zoom call off cats trying to explain why you should vote for our policy. And I'm quite depressed because I would really like to have a serious political issues on the table and have a discussion about it. But unfortunately, that's not the situation.Lewis Hobba  34:32  Omri I've never heard of a political party having a creative director. What's your background? Where were you before you were with this party?Unknown Speaker  34:40  Well, it's it. I'm the creative director for the campaign. I'm not a great party, but it's a double campaign. For me. It's my first one and my last one. I'm a comedy writer in my background, but I'm doing many other stuff like developing TV formats. All around the world in dating shows in China and game shows in India. And I'm doing a lot of projects with a very dominant Australian comedian named Dan edit which word is very popular down on there.Dan Ilic  35:16  And I'm so popular, we got 10 people viewing the live stream right now. People 10 people have chosen to tune in to this conversation.Unknown Speaker  35:26  Now you can tell them about the crazy shit that we've done together done. like Trump impersonators, a conference in south by or the other stuff that we do owes to the United States that we did with the writers of The Simpsons and Family Guy and some other crazy stuff. It's part of RobertDan Ilic  35:47  Murray's armor is this magical convener of comedians in a global space. He's, I Omri invited me to this conference in New York City when I was working in America. And I said, Oh, yeah, I'll go prepare a little presentation about Comedy and Comedy and how comedy can change people's minds and blah, blah, blah. I've got that presentation. I do it lots of different places, I'll probably go presented to 200 people get a sandwich and go home. And I turned up and it wasn't 200 people, it was 30 people in this boardroom. And those 30 people were the presenters and showrunners of every Tonight Show around the world. That was very similar, like john oliver. And I was like, holy shit, this isn't. This isn't like some jerks turning up to hear somebody talking about comedy. This is like, this is like the power supplies of comedy. I was like, I was completely blown away. I was like, What the fuck am I doing? Get this read?Unknown Speaker  36:39  Dan, then there's a reason he didn't tell you that it was gonna be all those people from all those popular comedy news shows, because your brain would have exploded and you would have had a small stroke beforehand. So it was actually in your best interest in your welfare. No.Dan Ilic  36:58  We did. We did have some lovely sandwiches. Thank you. I'm ready for that.Unknown Speaker  37:02  Hey, Omri, can I ask we are labor but you've talked about the problems of labor parties across the world, our labor party here. Our Federal Labor Party suffers from a few issues with its with its image, and with a lack of sense of humor about itself and a bunch of other things. What do we have to pay you to come out here and sort out the promotion of the Australian Labor Party?Unknown Speaker  37:29  Wow. And since you know, you're on the other side of the world and right now to jump on a plane. That would be the challenge. If you have done I think Dan knows everything that I know. And he's one of the most creative people that I know is, as the head of the fan club have done in Israel. I think they can. Service Okay, Omri. SoUnknown Speaker  37:50  now I'm working this out so we don't have a picture of you here. We just have a graphic. Are you sure you're not Dan Ilic doing an accent with a rich with a recording of his voice just praising him across a 12 minute interview.Unknown Speaker  38:05  And I can confirm nor deny.Dan Ilic  38:09  I think we should wrap it up there. That is it for rational play a big thank you to all of our guests. Thank you Omri Marquez from Israel Emily Johnson from Tick Tock Louis harbor From where are you from Louis? The radio the radio. Declan Fay from podcasts renowned. Do you guys have anything to plug Declan would like to plug anything? No, itUnknown Speaker  38:29  was a year. I mean, every white guy says this every day every few minutes but please listen to my podcast. It's called this way this plum or if you like fiction podcasts. I wrote one last year called crossbred about a Christian hip hop group that kind of blows up. Have a listen to that. I like that. That's my favorite thing.Dan Ilic  38:46  That's a really fun, excellent narrative comedy podcast. Emily Johnson. What would you like to plug? I mean, IUnknown Speaker  38:52  guess you can follow me on tik tok. If you have kik talk, do I delete one? I'm always responding to filthy racist comments. With skits or something hilarious hopefully.Dan Ilic  39:05  And Andre, what do you what would you like to plug?Unknown Speaker  39:07  Well,Lewis Hobba  39:08  okay,Unknown Speaker  39:09  vote for merit. Oh, and I want to say to my family in Australia, we're waiting for you over here.Unknown Speaker  39:15  Yeah,Unknown Speaker  39:16  Nick. You've only family in Melbourne.Dan Ilic  39:19  Well, you're gonna have to wait till I get the vaccine then I'm sure they'll fly over. Louis, how about you anything the flood?Lewis Hobba  39:24  I feel like I should plug my radio show since you forgot what I do every day. It's on Triple J it's called hover and you can follow us on Instagram at not harbor and hang official. Dan if you'd ever like to listen. That's what I that's where I am when I'm not here.Dan Ilic  39:38  It's marvelous. Thank you to read Mike's the birth of foundation jackin round of the tepanyaki timeline. This episode of rational v has bits and pieces contributed by Rupert Degas. brodmann Morgan Killian, David. Amanda Buckley ads paid Lola sheepy and everyone else in our Discord server Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.Unknown Speaker  39:55  This episode of irrational fear is brought to you by mykhailiuk caches dumping a dove ledger hotline. If you know someone who is earning hard earned money from taxpayers and is refusing to do their job, just call one 800 dole bludgerUnknown Speaker  40:09  o R. Is that the old one to dolvin? obliger? Yes. A lot. dovin obliger Yes, come on Darryl. Darryl, who I think we need some more information there. We'll go on set last week after the job keeper thing ended off with him his job back at high five for three hours a fortnight in the bugger refused aerelon job seeker denied. Was he applying for the job? Well, I reckon he would have advertised it you haven't advertised to the job then? No, then the tax department would not right. So what are you gonna do about it? You're gonna ring him and tell him that he should take it that maybe I could I have your full name and contact number. Click to hang up you actually need to press the red button not say click Oh, thanks.Unknown Speaker  40:51  One 800 because there's nothing more Australian than delving in your mates.Transcribed by https://otter.ai A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/Last night at Giant Dwarf we had an absolute cracker of a live show to celebrate our 100th episode of A Rational Fear.Chris Taylor opened all of The Queen's excel files.Alice Fraser tip toed through the mindset of billionaire Elon Musk.Yumi Stynes graciously examined what Eddie McGuire's departure from Collingwood really means.Hamish Blake tries to monetise the Australian Open in ways we've never quite thought about.Lewis Hobba defends Crown Casino in Sydney.Gabbi Bolt proves she's not related to Andrew Bolt.Dan Ilic (me) tries to explain why we should have seen Craig Kelly coming.And Tom Lowndes from Hot Dub Time Machine holds the whole thing together.I hope you enjoy it — it was one of the best live shows we've ever done!(Shout out to new Patreon member Shaun who signed up on the night!)LINK TO PHOTOSHOP TEMPLATE FOR LIBERAL MEME: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ld2208nr7uzz2tu/LIBERAL_MEME_dotEXE.psd?dl=0🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/______________________________________________________Transcript by OTTER.AI:Unknown Speaker  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the Bertha Foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Hey Lewis, welcome to rational fear. Oh my goodness, you're so lovely 100 episodes. Very good. You know what I like about this? This is great doing a live show in the middle of a pandemic. It's fantastic. It's great marketing. I'mUnknown Speaker  0:20  hoping not the middle.Dan Ilic  0:24  three quarter time.Unknown Speaker  0:25  optimistic.Dan Ilic  0:28  I just feel like when people get COVID from here that everyone was how did you get it all went to this podcast. It's got to be bottom three ways to get we have Patreon supporters. I just want to thank our latest Patreon supporter Ben Waller is chipping in for 10 bucks a month. big thank you to Ben. It is great. I understand. We have a couple of Patreon people here. Who from Patreon is here. Yes, thank you. Very good. enjoy that. 20% off. Excellent.Unknown Speaker  0:56  I do two for one ticket. YouUnknown Speaker  0:58  two for one tickets. 50%.Dan Ilic  1:02  We do 20% Yeah. Anyone out there starts getting any fucking ideas. We are recording irrational fear on the land of the gadigal in the urination. sovereignty was never seated. Wait a treaty. Let's stop the show.Unknown Speaker  1:23  irrational fear contains no two words just like bricks. Bricks can rob Finn and section. A rational fear recommends listening likeDan Ilic  1:35  my immature audiences. Tonight Eddie McGuire denies his racist adding he made the trainings ran on time. The World Health Organisation says Coronavirus is unlikely to have leaked from a lab and a devastating blow to conspiracy theorists to listen to facts. And Pauline Hanson calls for the swastika to be banned. It'll dilute her brand. It is the 11th of February 2021. And welcome to the Super Bowl of Australian satirical comedy podcast. This isexcellent. Welcome to rational Fie. I'm your host, former president of the Collingwood football club Dan Ilic. If you're new around here, this is the podcast that takes the saddest stories the weeks and makes jokes about them. Because let's face it, if you didn't laugh, you'd cry. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. He's the actor award winning creator of our pride and the actor award losing head writer of at home alone together from the chaser. It's Chris Taylor.Unknown Speaker  2:44  Thank you very much.Chris Taylor  2:46  Great to be here, so you win some you lose some very disappointed not to be nominated for the Golden Globes. But Nautilus Holy moly, soDan Ilic  2:54  I feel good. And in 15 years old, she was expelled from boarding school, which is the only qualification you need to join this show. She's one of Australia's most loved smart asses. It's yummy Stein.Yumi Stynes  3:06  Thank you for having me. You know, I've been reflecting on getting expelled from boarding school. For the last 20 years. I was like, fuck those guys. That was really unfair. And then just recently I've gone. Yeah, it was a beautiful.Dan Ilic  3:18  Welcome. It's good to have you. And 11 years ago, we crashed the VIP section of a Comedy Central Party in New York City to meet john oliver. Then our next guests managed to get a job replacing john oliver on his very own podcast. She always gets what she wants to tell us.Alice Fraser  3:35  So happy to be a dad.Dan Ilic  3:37  Did you crash tonight? Or did you get a ticket?Alice Fraser  3:39  I wasn't invited. I put that in your script.Dan Ilic  3:42  And our next guest tried to move from Melbourne to Sydney while the state borders were closed, which turns out to be just as challenging as moving from one part of Sydney to another part of Sydney. It is heimish bike.Hamish Blake  3:55  Fresh out of the tunnel fresh out of the tunnel.Unknown Speaker  3:59  Lovely to meet you.Dan Ilic  4:00  And he's co hosted over 100 episodes of a satirical comedy podcast, and he's yet to see a cent. It's Louis harbour. Did you say I've co hosted over 100 episodes so I did I made a mistake. Yeah, like well, you guys only too late. Sorry, the 100th episode was weeks ago. That's like you make your mistake, but this was gonna be recorded on a Thursday.Unknown Speaker  4:28  Yes, I didn't realise this was on tonight. I told all of my friends to come tomorrow. That's whyDan Ilic  4:38  we recorded this on a Thursday every Thursday for 18 months. I'm sorry. It's what we're what we had an on deck for the first time in ages. It's DJ Tom. A little later on, you'll meet our musical guests Gabby Boldt. She's really big on Tick Tock. But first here is Message from this week's sponsorUnknown Speaker  5:02  in recognition of leadership change at Collingwood football club. McDonald's is celebrating some of the menu items in producing the McGuire burger spineless chicken fillers in a better protected in a milky white been worth Extra Mile Jeremiah this much source it's guaranteed to leak no matter how you handle it with grill marks painted on relax. It's a little joke. The mediocrity McGuire is basically a good burger but never meant to give anyone that shifts. The next time you visit a McDonald'sUnknown Speaker  5:42  ask for the McGuireUnknown Speaker  5:45  tastes like Yarra waterUnknown Speaker  5:46  never cancel, just not on the board anymore. For online ordering, just go to burgers and highlight the tag that says mee mee mee mee meeUnknown Speaker  5:54  I recommend it to everyone.Dan Ilic  5:58  Well, folks, it is Yes, thank you. Robbie McGregor there, folks, it is 2021 which means we could have an election this year, or we could simply not do and say we did which seems to be the coalition's policy strategy at the moment. Australia's elections kind of like booty calls, they spring up on your the last minute ruin your weekend plans. But if you're lucky, you'll get a sausage. And there is anticipating brewing for booty call 2021 you can see the signs already there already knife shortages in Canberra. It's also very strange, very strange. 2021 labour is so scared that the coalition will bully them on climate change. They're desperate to try and do less on climate change. And the Liberal Party is so scared that the nation and the world will punish them for doing fuck all on climate change that they're desperate to do just the bare minimum on climate change. It's kind of like a pissing contest, but the contestants won't piss. They won't even unzip their pants but insist on building new coal powered toilets. But who said bipartisanship was dead? Here we go. I think there's one thing both parties have their sights on and there is the member of Hughes. His name is Craig Kelly. Now if you thinkHamish Blake  7:14  I mean if you listen to the podcast, huge cheer went up in here but we don't we don't have the audience mics so you can't really hear it.Unknown Speaker  7:25  Stick around.Dan Ilic  7:28  Now if you think he has the look of a flustered director of a furniture company that's gone bankrupt, you're right. He's literally the flustered director of a furniture company that's going bankrupt. Now everyone is annoying to cry because he's kind of like the drunk uncle at the Parliament House Christmas party. He wanders around the backyard, telling you unverified bullshit to anyone who listened stuff like the US Capitol insurrection was a hoax,Alice Fraser  7:56  Neo fascists and Marxists engaged in a highly coordinated false flag operation.Dan Ilic  8:00  And environmentalists started the black summer bushfires.Yumi Stynes  8:05  I wonder if any of those arrested extinction rebellion types trying to fulfil their prophecyUnknown Speaker  8:10  and renewable energy will will drown kids by makingHamish Blake  8:15  swimming lessons more expensive, some parents are going to be unable to afford them. The result being less children having basic swimming and water safety skills, placing them at greater risk of drowning. That is actually spot he's got a boy.Dan Ilic  8:33  Yeah, you can tell him she's done more than 100 podcasts.Unknown Speaker  8:37  One baby tomorrow night you're gonna beDan Ilic  8:42  back in 2016. He even attended a commemoration of Croatia's Nazi allied fascist government the MDH and then proceeded to say this occasionChris Taylor  8:53  on behalf of the Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who is now in Japan, I impart you to greetings and good wishes on the occasion of the celebration of April tin to you and all Croatians in Australia and those in Croatia.Dan Ilic  9:08  Not necessarily the best thing. The Australian Ambassador then got pulled into the Croatian parliament to explain what the fuck was going on. I assume the ambassador just put a picture up of the Prime Minister eating an onion and said sorry, we don't know. It's very strange. Now it is. It is a there's a very few things that a politician will get cancelled for in Australia. But being fascist isn't one of them. It turns out spreading lies about COVID on social media is the last straw now over the last year. Craig's Facebook and going he's when I've gone on Sky media. He's just been spreading information misinformation about COVID. All over the place. He's been saying that mandated mass for children is his child abuse. He's been alluding to the anti Vax conspiracy theories about Bill Gates, he's been promoting disproven and unproven COVID-19 treatments like the anti malarial drug hydroxy chloroquine and in the victim, which is actually a horse de wormer. It won the prize for removing parasites something that scomo might like to win a little later on if we removed some parasites from his own party. Kelly even went on celebrity chef and problematic kendal's podcast paid Evans's podcast for an hour and a half. I just spoke bullshit about conspiracy theories. Now I listened to it, so you didn't have to any he said a whole bunch of stuff. That wasn't news. But I think Pete broke some news.Unknown Speaker  10:30  Very wise words and very truthful words, Craig.Pete Evans  10:34  It looks like I'm going to throw my hat into the ring and join the political movement and see speak. See what see what happens from that. I had no expectations when you sit in a big room or Western at the back of the room where you can see everything.Unknown Speaker  10:50  I'll give you a tip.Dan Ilic  10:52  I don't think that's why you sit in the back of the room.Hamish Blake  10:56  You're on at the back like my daughter is when she's driving the car.Dan Ilic  11:03  Folks, do you have any tips for Pete Evans as he heads into the world of politics citiesHamish Blake  11:07  I feel like he's nailed his slogan there. expectations that willDan Ilic  11:16  be a good time to down to just Evans know.Chris Taylor  11:21  The Evans party for people who think Pauline Hanson is far too sensible.Alice Fraser  11:25  I reckon seven minutes in Evans.Chris Taylor  11:29  They should only put a candidate in barn by surely likeHamish Blake  11:34  surely I'd like to see someone come out there because you know, political slogans or like they often just like you know, hey, we can do it or you know, whatever, you know, like jump on board or for a progressive turn. I'd like to see him get defensive because he knows everyone's against him like a slogan that says something like you're the fucking crackpot.Just in your fucking weird. dead on the front foot. Spray paint if you're listening, and I know you do.Dan Ilic  12:01  None of this would be a problem if Craig Kelly was just your uncle, but he's not. He's an MP with a huge social media presence that is actually bigger and more powerful than the Prime Minister's own social media presence. It's worse than letting your uncle loose on Tinder. Craig's already swiped far right? It's terrible. After the PM, was asked about this at the National Press Club last week, he was there to see if he's going to do something about Craig, this is how scomo replied,Unknown Speaker  12:26  You don't get to create Craig Kelly.Unknown Speaker  12:29  He's not my doctor, and he's not yours.Unknown Speaker  12:34  He's pretty happy with that one isDan Ilic  12:38  Spoken like a man youUnknown Speaker  12:40  are in the room to laugh.Dan Ilic  12:43  But after a brief confrontation with Labour MP Tanya plibersek, in the halls of Parliament House, there was a big announcement in Canberra. Of course, Canberra fucking loves announcements that the Prime Minister pulled Craig Kelly into his office and gave him a dressing down now. Sorry, if I've given you a visual of Craig Kelly dressing down there. I'm really sorry about that. FEMA has any idea about what that conversation with scomo and Craig Kelly, and the office was all about or what they said to each other? You gotta say sorry. Oh, come on.Yumi Stynes  13:19  Up. It's time to time get out there and fucking say sorry.Hamish Blake  13:24  Just a bit of like, double check. You don't actually my doctor are making all these gags in the press guy and they're going well, but you're not actually.Alice Fraser  13:34  Actually the thing about homoeopathy is the list. I'm your doctor, the more I'm your doctor.Unknown Speaker  13:42  He onlyDan Ilic  13:42  got him off Facebook for a very short amount of time. It lasted 36 hours.Hamish Blake  13:50  That was a that was a scomo enforced ban. It wasn't a Facebook enforcement.Dan Ilic  13:54  No it was like steady six hours I wonder if he was just like look Okay y'all Facebook I'll introduce you to tick tock and then it was just cry just like punching buttons for 36 hoursHamish Blake  14:07  it does scream a bit of like that's it no screen time for a week. DanielUnknown Speaker  14:12  spreads misinformationUnknown Speaker  14:17  All right, well, all of thatHamish Blake  14:20  you really think about it after that.Chris Taylor  14:24  I was just glad he did you know he also was banned from only fans.Hamish Blake  14:28  No, he wasn't. VPN and you guys addressing New ZealandDan Ilic  14:37  now actually happened to have a recording of of what went happened, what happened in that office, but I can't actually play it for legal reasons. So I've had to do a dramatisation for the day das, who does a lot of the voices on this show plays Scott Morrison but because there are so many Hollywood shows and movies happening in Australia right now. There are no actors I could get in Australia, they're all booked. So I have to go to Hollywood to find the best commercial How to Play cried Kelly.Unknown Speaker  15:06  cried cry, just come in and sit down and play on your iPad for 20 minutes then I'll put out a release that you can repost on Facebook. Okay? Ah, great start date. Great One hydroxychloroquine now, sorry, Mike. Thanks to the billion forex in the fridge. Please use my desk. It's four metres squared from everyone else in the office. You're amazing. pfriem shibo you're a believer. Yes, Mike. That's right. Mainstream are where the votes are. But voters like the Sharpies. I like the Sharpies. Godspeed. I wish right you're that deep state might might there is no deep state. When times was in charge. It was Peter. You're friends with the deep state you make TV with the deep state trying to silence me. I have freedom of speech. Craig now I'm not silencing you. But Shut up. Now you're free to say whatever you want to after the election when you act like a goose I look like a good this year. I'm having a no goose policy. I'm gonna stop the geese Have a look at this. What is this a turbo that's right Good boy. And what does it say? I stopped the guy you can read well that's good. Now I'll get you one of these with your face on it. Great wines trophy face get good now only if you quiet and stop posting rubbish Now give me one good reason not to drop you from Hugh's Facebook friend hi char tape from n guy Dean make dogs Vladimir Oh gee below mice is no type you did it. I have deniability for Facebook stream.Unknown Speaker  17:11  Battery dead I'm sure pad.Unknown Speaker  17:15  your iPad is dead. Well charge it and you can pick it up tomorrow from PETA. Yes. Really good judges in there. Only if you're a good boy, Craig. galley. Good boy. Good boy.Unknown Speaker  17:30  Great. ComeUnknown Speaker  17:31  back tomorrow. fudge rose. That's a bloody good idea might now Fuck off.Dan Ilic  17:40  That's Gilbert godfried everyone.Chris Taylor  17:46  A high profile impression a very good impressionDan Ilic  17:52  that he's the thing we shouldn't actually be surprised about Craig Kelly at all because we have known this was gonna happen from the very start of Craig Kelly's career. If the bankrupt furniture store wasn't a red flag, perhaps this line in Craig Kelly's maiden speech should have been over the years I've packed my head into many rugby Scrum. Although no doubt some would say maybe one Scrum to me.Right now, with more about how we keep our politicians more accountable. It's Gabby bolts Aaron getmyboatGabbi Bolt  18:35  I've actually never done a comedy said before. That's true. Sir. Please pity me.What the Australian Government needs is a Karen a crop chop nitpicking Nightmare on the parliament floor. Because as someone who used to work in retail, I've seen them leave a nasty email about how I am supposed to do my job. But when you need a Karen most that's when they vanish. Like on Craig Kelly's COVID Facebook posts that nowhere to be found. But if Karen was feeling ill and doc said try this radical, untested pill. Well, I'd bet 10 bucks she'd take his licence down. You hear tales of Karen's far and wide, getting barista sacked because they put too much which cream on my triple mocha frappe. You see Karen's demanding manages in your average grocery store. So where are they when they need to see the biggest manager of normalised caring culture in politics They've gone on for too long getting people fired for weightless go to redirect their attention to when national intervention I can give you Craig Kelly's email address normalised Karen culture in Parliament's when people act irresponsibly on the job. Call them out with the same fervour as a teenage fast food worker who had the audacity to get your order wrong.Unknown Speaker  20:55  The microphoneUnknown Speaker  20:58  now,Chris Taylor  20:59  thanks for having me down. This is a genuine treat to be part of the hundreds I think me and Alice within part of the very first ones. And it's amazing that it's had this run like cereal didn't eat get close to 100 a teacher's pet not trying hard enough. So no, it's great to be here. I'm gonna talk about the Royals. Now without wanting to conform to social stereotypes, I was reading the Guardian this week.And there was this bombshell report about how the Queen lobby to have the Lord changed to keep the details of her personal wealth hidden. So basically, the UK Parliament was trying to pass transparency laws so the public would know exactly how much the monarchy spent of public money, but the Queen's lawyers, I think she was raped by Rudy Giuliani. They, they managed to overturn the law so we don't know how much he spends and what on That is, until tonight, ladies and gentlemen here the john Doerr theatre, I have the official list of the royal families expenses, which I'm more than happy to share with you tonight. Now just for background, the Queen gets an annual salary it's about $97 million a year fair $97 million taxpayer money. She's also on job keeping. Prince Charles's annoyance. With one woman he doesn't want to keep her job. So he then in no particular order other palaces expenses for the last financial year. 40,000 pounds on Uber Eats usually uneaten because Nando's in London still don't do very, very pheasant. It's downhill from that wasUnknown Speaker  23:00  over 100 episodes that must be like your 70th pheasant, JoeChris Taylor  23:05  Welcome to 71 80,000 pounds on getaway cars at the annual Royal Variety Performance. Anything to avoid small talk with Susan Boyle afterwards 50,000 pounds racial awareness training for Prince Philip. Unfortunately, his tutor was Eddie McGuire. Progress was slow $1 million retainer for elton john to keep him pumping out new versions of candle in the wind.The principle of one decades ago 200,000 pounds on developing a new dating app especially for Royals. It's like Tinder but only let you match with cousins. 4 million pounds. legal fees for Prince Andrew two pounds media training for Prince Sandra 600,000 pounds lobbying the Commonwealth of Australia to get Holy Moly off the air. 2 million pounds on an ambitious pay a lot this one ambitious paid project of the claim to crossbreed horses with corgis to create her ultimate spirit animal. The hoagie her intention was to create kind of cute fun sized horses the size of a Corgi, but what she ended up with instead was grotesque corgis, the size of a Clydesdale. All of them were discreetly put down except one which was kicked around Megan Markel out of the country. 15 million pounds on the upkeep of antiquated buildings and relics from bygone eras such as Hampton Court, Sandra Nichols And Mark record 6000 pounds paid to the actress who plays Diana on the Netflix series The Crown for her weekly recreations of the Ballymena scenes, performed for the whole family's enjoyment every Sunday after church. That's just for my wife. We love this.Unknown Speaker  25:23  NowChris Taylor  25:25  50,000 pounds sexism awareness training for Prince Philip. Unfortunately his tutor was at McGuire. Progress was slow. 6 million pounds on bribing gamebirds to fall to the ground pretending they've been shot during all the prince Philip's shooting and they keep planes in even when they've served for dinner later on their amazing commitment to the row.Dan Ilic  25:49  What sort of game birds Chris maybe like a pheasant grouse?Chris Taylor  25:56  All right. 100,000 pounds on TV development. This one's quite weird. See after the success of its a royal knockout, Prince Edward spent all of last year developing royal Ninja Warrior. There's also a royal maffs, which is basically this Charles and Camilla dry humping on a beach for an hour. JOHN Howard called it the romantic fieldwood hit 50,000 pounds on training for Prince Philip in how to exit a long reign with dignity. Unfortunately, his tutor was Eddie McGuire. And finally 17 million pounds paid to lawyers to make sure the public never gets wind of the secret that the woman who lives in that massive palace might actually have a bit of coin. I mean, sure the face is literally on all the money But please, let's not ever jump to conclusions that our hands are on as well.Dan Ilic  26:56  What would you like to know about how the Queen actually spends her money? It's weird because it's weird that she tries to hide it because it's not like we don't know she's rich.Unknown Speaker  27:10  It's such an expensive hobby.Dan Ilic  27:13  I'd say most everyone who goes to London The first thing I do is go to her house.Hamish Blake  27:19  In the middle of town Yeah. And look at the jewels. The crown. What's theDan Ilic  27:29  LSU LSU you spend a lot of time in London you've lived there you live with the queen?Hamish Blake  27:35  What's the craziest thing you saw blood cash on?Unknown Speaker  27:40  Keeping Prince Philip alive?Dan Ilic  27:43  27 do you think you know Australia should be paying royalties to the Queen based on us using her picture on the money we have?Alice Fraser  27:50  Look, I think we all have an agreement in Australia which is that we're going to become a republic eventually when she dies. Like we're just going to be polite until she dies and then we're not going to have Charles on our moneyChris Taylor  28:00  or do you think she's really shitty that everyone taps now and we don't use money? Is she lobbying the credit card companies to get a face on that as well? ActuallyHamish Blake  28:07  the visa dove is way more fancy. Is it the MasterCard? What's the hologram beauty products? The hologram on the visa okay all right. But you know like sometimes you're gonna net banking and it will go like you spent this much this month on like health care or like you know, utilities I would like like the real specific breakdown for the quaint like the just the bits of the real weird stuff. I don't think we know like a break us a lot to keep the house and the horses and stuff like that's obviously expensive. But you want weird stuff like you want to know if she bought VR? Or like, just got just dumb stuff. I don't know. But all the purchases past 10 o'clock. 10 o'clock like do I amChris Taylor  28:54  Jean session on eBay.Alice Fraser  28:58  Uber Eats order.Hamish Blake  28:59  I would like to know the breakdown on that.Alice Fraser  29:00  Yeah, I want to see the map of the person driving round and round trying to figure out how to get in.Dan Ilic  29:04  Yeah, she just sheChris Taylor  29:06  walked out to the gate to pick it up personally. is a servant have to bringHamish Blake  29:11  it up. Nice. I think it's still leave and go. No, no, we won't be vaccinated. leave and go.Dan Ilic  29:17  Do you think they have to pay for Netflix to get the crown?Hamish Blake  29:22  I mean, there's gotta be some role.Dan Ilic  29:25  And is that where royalties comes from? Yes.Ladies and gentlemen.Yumi Stynes  29:43  All right. You all know what happened, but I'm gonna run you through the facts. Anyway. Yesterday media personality Eddie McGuire stood down as Collingwood football club president after 23 years on the job. He was sad. He was fucking sad. his resignation speech which went for 15 minutes and was mostly a lengthy self congratulating listicle of what he has achieved contain no real apology, although an apology was actually what was needed. So this resignation from yesterday morning was the lightest in a cascading series of events. The event that led to yesterday's resignation was an open letter calling for his resignation. Prior to that event, the event was the leak of a commission report on the culture of racism at the Collingwood football club researched and written by indigenous academic Professor Larissa Behrendt. Now, the event that led to the commissioning of that report was complaints of racism by former Collingwood star player Heredia Lumumba. So we're four links up the chain before we get to the hero of the story, surprise, surprise, it's not Eddie McGuire. So Geraldo Lumumba started playing for Collingwood, 2004 as an 18 year old. His background is mixed race, Congolese and Brazilian and he speaks fluent Portuguese, he's black, he's handsome, and he's a shithead football player. But even though he was charismatic, fair and really popular with fans, and as I mentioned, a shithead football player. His career at Collingwood stalled when he started calling out the racism that he saw is endemic to the culture of his own club. And it was then that he started to be frozen out of leadership positions ostracised by the people in charge, and had unfounded whispers of madness and mental illness from his own club amplified by a complicit media. Lumumba left Collingwood in 2014 after 199 games. Now coming here tonight, I didn't really want to talk about how to Lumumba and Eddie McGuire because talking about racism for anyone who's experienced it is actually never comfortable. I also do want to talk about it because I don't follow football. So if you ask me some stats, I'm not gonna be on a budget. And I didn't want to talk about it. Because every time I'm actually confronted in the real world by racism, I actually get like a physical, almost spidey sense, tingling in my lower back that it's sort of like a queasy, unpleasant feeling. And sometimes the feeling comes before the mental processes can catch up. I attended a talk a few years ago by American philosopher and activist Dr. Cornel West, who came to Australia. He's a Harvard professor and a black man. And what he said like he said a bunch of cool stuff. But one thing he said I've never forgotten. It was something along the lines of I'm still overcoming my own racism. I'm still learning. I like everyone else. I'm a product of the world we live in. And he's like an old man, he's 67 years old. And that actually made me feel better. Because I'm imperfect. I'm still learning and we all are. Like, imagine, okay, imagine you're on the street in your own suburb, and a stranger comes up to you and asks if they can borrow your phone. She's a 35 year old white woman. And you're like, yeah, sure I use my phone. But what if she's a 35 year old white woman who's really skinny has dirty hair is scratching herself and wearing head to toe tracksuit, in mid summer. Would you still let it use your phone? So we're always kind of casting value judgments on people. It's not necessarily always racial. It's based on how they look all the time. We do it all the time. It's just really tough. If you're copying it because of something that you can't help so you can't help your heroin habit. But you also really can't help the colour of your skin and it's infuriating when that's how people judge you. So I thought, things that I thought were okay, five years ago, I realised now I'm not okay. And I'm guessing that in another five years, I'll look back at the year me now and cringe at how unworthy I am. I am still learning. But is Eddie.I've always been super interested. It's like my hobby. Watching the way that people who are racist are blind to their own racism. It's almost cute. It's like a toddler wandering around. Like I'm the kind of where they are. And if it's pointed out to them, their first response is pretty much always defensiveness, they get really upset. And I get it. And I'm so interested in this reaction. And the flip side of that is the people who see racism first. Always the people who experience it the most and the worst, which is why indigenous people are often at that intersection of racism and a bunch of other prejudices that make their experiences way worse than you or I could imagine. And this is not my hobby. Like it's not talking about race. Islam is really, really thankless when people talk about that day that Nicky winmar lifted his shirt and pointed to his black skin. I know, you know, that moment. They're describing an iconic moment that was turned into an iconic photo, which has been immortalised as an iconic statue. But they're forgetting, I think that when Mark himself said to the photographer who took that iconic photo, I appreciate that you've changed my life. But for me, I'm having to embrace possibly one of the worst days of my life over and over again. So when he did that he wasn't having a great time. And every time he sees that he's taken right back to that moment of being booed, and having horrible things, shout out to him. Talking about racism, as I said, is thankless. You have to convince people first of all, that it exists. And when I say people, I mean, white people, and trying to convince white people that racism exists is sometimes like convincing people in the dark ages that they're breathing something that it's real, it's called oxygen. It's a sound like what are you talking about. And then you're expected to prove your own credentials by explaining your own experiences of racism, which is not only painful, but it feels like if you start nominating and isolating and describing single incidents, you're in danger of leaving behind hundreds, sometimes 1000s of times that racism existed, but was so micro so unremarked upon that it was very much like the air we breathe. So if I were to try and well really to try very hard not to try and find parody between my experiences and bombas. But if I were to try and dig into, say, the first time that I was called a chink, a nip, a jab or a goog, I might leave behind the times that I was expected, as a seven year old Australian to apologise for World War Two. Or by trying to explain how being Asian has happened, my career, my or my love life or my earning capacity, I might accidentally minimise the hundreds of death threats that people have made against me over the years. And for what have they made those death threats is an interesting question. And I think that anyone who's ever had many people threaten to kill them. They have sat with the why, for quite a long time. And I think if I had to distil The reason why I inspired hatred in enough people that they would send me murderous and quite descriptive and detailed death threats, then I think that the reason I could fairly say was because I did to question the manhood and authority of a white male or authority figure as a non white person. Eddie McGuire, by the way, is the guy who said Adam Goodes should do the promotion for King Kong. And when Heredia Lumumba called him out about it, he said, This is what Lumumba said himself, people made it very clear to me that I'd done the wrong thing that I'd thrown the president of Collingwood under a bus, almost making him out to be the victim. So whether we've grown as a nation and learned from this painful saga is going to be shown in the post Collingwood Korea of Eddie McGuire. Because usually, I've seen it enough times I can predict it. When the shit goes down. The brown person gets blamed. And the white person goes on to have a great career in politics.Dan Ilic  38:44  Have a letter that went out Monday and then he got the step down on Tuesday. That's right. Yeah. That must be feel pretty powerful for that moment.Yumi Stynes  38:52  Did it feel good, but I don't want people to confuse his resignation for cleansing of the entire football culture that made him thrive.Dan Ilic  39:01  Yeah. Do you think this is kind of a you know, this is a very public moment for Eddie McGuire. But do you think a lot of organised organisations all around the country are looking at this going Fuck, we need to fucking clean up as sharp.Chris Taylor  39:14  The worry is they'll do the reverse because this sort of all came out as a result of them deciding to launch an investigation into the culture. I want I'm nervous that some companies might go well it doesn't turn out well when you do that. So maybe we're just sort of keep momDan Ilic  39:28  Yeah, which is a shame because I don't I think if that the release of that report had been handled better like their release the fuck up was saying this is a proud day. This is a shameful day and we're gonna work on it. I don't think maybe we would be in that situation with like, Oh shit, we shouldn't even look at it. But they're on the on the backfoot from the get go because that report was handed to them in december two months, and it took ages for it was leaked to an investigative journalist and then they were gonna leak it they were trying to get ahead of the story. And fucking nothing ever goes well when you try to get ahead of the story.Chris Taylor  40:00  So How bad is it? Like you mentioned the Adam Goodstein, which was just horrendous, and unpardonable. I can't believe he survived that. And the thing that brought him down was just a slip of the tongue. And he's like, made a dressUnknown Speaker  40:11  dress. Like that'sYumi Stynes  40:12  not what brought him down. And I disagree with you, Louis. I think like saying it's a proud that I think it was just like, he was trying to say, I'm proud that we're doing something about this. No, he's just playing with words, saying that that's what's brought him down. It's it's 23 years of races, leadership that's brought him down.Unknown Speaker  40:28  I certainly wasn't saying that's what brought him down. I was just saying in terms of the release of the report. I think, like, I just Well, I mean,Chris Taylor  40:36  that the media fixated on Yeah, way more attention than warranted, given the history of the background of that report.Alice Fraser  40:44  I sort of feel sorry for these guys a little bit, because they got away with it for so long. It's like every week you robbed the bank, and then all of a sudden you get arrested and you're like, I was wrong the whole time.Dan Ilic  40:57  I think Ben, Ben Lowe had a great tweet today about it. He said, If entitled white women who complained to the manager or Karen's, I think Australians can agree entitled white men who feel that their true victims of systemic racism, and now it is do you think this is gonna change leadership power vision of operating aroundYumi Stynes  41:19  the country? If so? I don't think so. But I think when people are racist, they don't know they're doing it. Most of the time, they're unaware. So I think No, and I think also, as usual, the brown person in the room is always the minority in this country, unfortunately. So when Lumumba was creating problems, and putting up quote, fingers there, the solution that's easier for the white guys in charge is to nominate that guy and go, let's get him out. He's a troublemaker which has happened to me. Shut your mouth, get her off the TV, she's creating problems, it's easier to just not have them on stage.Dan Ilic  41:55  Can we talk a little bit about that for a second? That moment on Studio 10, the infamous moment where you were saying some very truthful things about how Aboriginal people have lower life expectancy and stuff like that. And Kerri Anne Kennerley went you were talking about the truth, learning, getting Australians to learn our truth about Australia Day. And what's really powerful moment there were and there must have been so confusing for you at that moment to kind of go well, I'm just saying some very, very truthful things.Unknown Speaker  42:24  Just fax guy.Dan Ilic  42:26  What are you yelling at me for and how do they seem to have this employed my life for a month? Yeah,Yumi Stynes  42:30  that one was okay. I've been through other sheet storms that are way worse, at least with that one. I knew that I hadn't said anything wrong.Dan Ilic  42:41  As I've had a 15 year career and I've made some very bad things on television that I'm very not I'm not proud of and thankfully no longer exist. Thank you for talking about this tonight.Unknown Speaker  43:03  Hello,Alice Fraser  43:04  let's talk about money. I'm gonna do my verbal exercises first for talking about money. short sell seashells with a stacked deck on the stock floor. And the deck that she stacks is shorted for sure. Let's all stop GameStop stock stacking up in the GameStop shop. Bobby Bitcoin back to stock of pickled crypto, how many stocks of pickled crypto did Bobby Bitcoin back.So this month marks month that we all found out a short squeeze is not just a pelvic floor exercise. People honour it if you don't know the GameStop story people on a Reddit board took exception to some big hedge fund guys short selling a bricks and mortar game shop called GameStop sparking 1000 hot takes about the little man taking back the power from the big man by corruptly manipulating the market in the way that is traditionally reserved for those too big to fail in those too big to jail. It was nice to watch hedge fund managers, managers scramble and it was an excellent example of how a system which is constantly jerking itself off with its libertarian money based meritocratic purity purity rhetoric really collapses when the people join in. I don't want to spend too much time explaining the stock market because I want to give a chance to the 1000s of young men who love explaining the stock market.currently doing so online This is their one opportunity to tell everyone about their kink when people won't just tune out and nod politely. But it's such an old move that it was so celebrated. I think we can all agree that the perfect vengeance against the accountably at the against the unaccountably wealthy is to pour money into the systems that enrich them. As we all know Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor so they could pay rent to the rich. This is called a stimulus check. So these Reddit guys, these mostly young, mostly men who like to think of themselves as V from V for Vendetta or the Joker, because they lack imagination. They became the ultimate news cycle fertiliser despite the fact that they're basically a bunch of guys with nothing better to do using their spare time and spare money to upvote cool seeming memes with cash. Speaking of which, co founder and CEO of inspiringly innovative and astoundingly overvalued electric car company Tesla. Elon Musk has recently stirred the stock markets by using the imaginary money he's made from people thinking his company will make more money than it will to buy into bitcoin, the most imaginary money. He talked about it publicly before, during and after the transaction while declaring that he couldn't talk about it because it might move the stock market, which it promptly did. This is the rhetorical technique of negotiation where you say what you're not going to do while doing it. Like I won't call my esteemed opposition, a dirty cop quote with a barely legal mistress. Saying what he's not going to do while doing it is Elon Musk's fourth favourite thing to do after his third favourite thing which is saying what he is going to do while not doing his second favourite thing, which is investing money in revolutionary moonshots like firing a car into space or putting chips in monkey brains while being defended by a certain kind of guy who loves to tell me about how wrong I am about Elon Musk. while simultaneously missing every point I'm actually making. Look, Elon Musk does some great stuff. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see a sci fi nerd do well, you can't. He can't help admiring musk for his ambition. He basically single handedly gave a cash boost to the incredibly expensive enterprise of hardware prototyping in a world where it's much cheaper and easier to stick with iterating software good on him. Also, if this goes well, there are potentially world changing implications for a lot of the technology he invests in and takes credit for so maybe my issue with him is mostly aesthetic. And I don't mean aesthetics in that his head looks like it's made of meat and then all our heads are made of meat but his looks like it's more made of meat. He's JC he's a man of binaries. He's a man who's simultaneously very inspiring entrepreneur operating at a leading edge of science so far ahead of the time that he's either a business genius or a very successful performance artist. It's It's just that he's always in the news for doing something either extremely cool and futuristic, or undeniable, lead dystopian, and probably both. The moral of this story is money. Men be money Manning changing little for real people while smugly congratulating themselves on being the revolution. One of the richest men in the world buying big into an untraceable unregulated currency that can't be taxed is not a cool rebel movie. It's the beginning of a James Bond movie villain storyline. It is the wild fantasy of nerds who wish they were brave enough to be assholes. Elon Musk is a baby's idea of a grown up in the same way disrupting the market by throwing your collective collective Reddit weight behind a troll ship post investment is the equivalent of critiquing social media in an eight great paragraph Facebook posts in the end it's all about ethics in video game stock market journalism Thank youDan Ilic  48:30  podcasts on the way here and they said Elon Musk and move 20% of the of the cryptocurrency market just by tweeting something that's incredibleHamish Blake  48:39  if I canAlice Fraser  48:43  thing is that like Bitcoin as a as a concept is like this idea of this, you know, blockchain whatever, blah, blah, blah. More than 50% of the Bitcoin mining capacity is controlled by China, the most worrying governmentUnknown Speaker  48:57  honestly, the last few weeks, I've been so happy to not have any money it's the first time in my life I've been like thank Fuck, I'm poor. And I don't have to care about any of this.Hamish Blake  49:09  I mean, I know this is this is not new news for anyone but like the whole point of Bitcoin is it's like decentralised and there is no 100 Bitcoin you can call it a complaint. There's no head office, which is a bummer because on our podcast on any podcast, five years ago, I bought two bitcoins for $900 each way and they were like a funny thing to own. And just like I've made this investment, they made this investment and then our web guy Jessica's really, really understand how to do it, he lost them, he lost the passwords. And you can't call up or write them a letter to go. I know everyone saying this, but I really had some Bitcoins. And we have two out there which are worth 120, grand, Old Joe, and we tried to hypnotise jazz to get because he's like, hop on and then only maybe books anyway and we made him sit in the studio with a hypnotist. As the best we got was him in a trance like state going capital B i t capital C. Hashtag one two, maybe exclamation mark. And so yeah, we've awesome except I'm kind of glad they stayed last because it is funny that we've lost 100 because we tried to sell them The only reason we found out last is we tried to sell them when they're at 15 $100 going well, they never get any higher. We wanted to buy a convertible drive through a carwash and we wouldn't have been the guyDan Ilic  50:31  that cashed outHamish Blake  50:33  three grand on its way to 120 grand because we wanted to drive an old Ford Capri throughDan Ilic  50:40  a car wash. There's a guy there's a story of in the UK of a guy who's trying to get a hydraulic Yeah, get up find a laptop in a in a tip. Yeah. And he's got 120 million pounds ofHamish Blake  50:54  Bitcoin everyone's just like Ivan's hoarding them not holding them. Like, locked up. It's like this big, like virtual Fort Knox that's out there when no one can get in and everyone's like, no one's selling.Alice Fraser  51:09  Well think about it being untraceable though is it leads to criminal behaviour like that man who has Oh, sorry. Yeah.So there was there are these Wi Fi enabled penis cages that you can do? Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. So so you know, some people like to have strangers or friends tell them that they can't jerk off? Sure. I've been asked me if he if I do that for him. And I said, Please don't sexualize me not wanting to fuck you. But apparently this man has hacked in and locked people's penis cages and asked for Bitcoin ransom in order to unlock their penis cages.Unknown Speaker  51:48  On a plus note, remember a golf Ed said out of bankruptcy.Hamish Blake  51:53  My wife is always like, what are you doing this? I always have a paper clip just need to pick the line.Alice Fraser  52:02  If you need to, if you need to incentivize remembering a password, can I suggestHamish Blake  52:08  to get a Wi Fi enabled one. I mean, if you're gonna start with a famous guy, just start and just go gently into it.Dan Ilic  52:19  Before we head to a short intermission, many people have asked me one question in the lead up tonight. About Gabby, Gabby, she led to Andrew Poe and I said well, I don't know maybe maybe Gabby could answer this question.Gabbi Bolt  52:32  My whole life has been building to this moment. My dad will be proud. He's not Andrew my dad's not Angie. Anyone like a samba? Let's get one thing straight. I'm not related to my dad always said he's a part of the Dutch bolts. I don't know how much of that is true. But even if I were I would treat it like a curse and sprint to the nearest courthouse to be disowned. It really makes you wonder what his actual family think is Christmas or disaster when he opens his mouth to speak. I guess what I am saying is easy to digest when you treat him like a drunk uncle, unless like a journalist. Because at this point, all I can really do is love because if I don't love ice cream, how did we let it get so far? How did we let it get so extreme? We have racist and rapist apologists becoming mainstream opinion columnist just another fuckin morning in the Murdoch machine. Thank you. We're gonna play a game because I was too lazy to write a second bus and dad gave me four days. So all the following things that are racist relative of mine has said it a Christmas dinner or an Andrew bolt headline. I didn't plan who would answer these questions. I felt like I just let the room feel it out. Cool. Facts no longer count in climate debate. We're gonna get along great. This game is great. Why I'm leaving Melbourne for gorgeHamish Blake  54:24  Hey, Miss Blake. Andrew,Gabbi Bolt  54:29  just yell bolts cuz that's also my family. So just give it a nice song. And true. All right.Unknown Speaker  54:36  Yes. And it was also Yep, that was public.Gabbi Bolt  54:39  Calm no pills jail diary is a revelation. Yeah, it'd be a bit rough if that one was my relative. Gabby Holy shit. You need to get your life together. You can't just keep on playing gigs with people you don't know and making no money at all. Speaking of is this paidI would be funny if that one was Andrew but that was actually my relativeUnknown Speaker  55:14  it's so him to be black.Gabbi Bolt  55:17  Definitely Andrew Jesus Christ by Well, anyway, this one's a bit hard. Okay, so it's really hard I've really blurred the lines between my family dinner and a public headline so just really listen out. Why do elderly Australian men get in jail?JOHN everyone, you could all work for News Corp.Unknown Speaker  55:48  Cuz at this pointGabbi Bolt  55:49  all I can really do is laugh cuz if I don't laugh I scream. When publications often twisted tales the centre right the one for human rights becomes extreme. Because now that ethical media is dead. The Twitter newsfeed every day feels like a bullet to the head just another fuckin morning in the Murdoch machine. Though I know it's easy. Thank you to love it'll off as comedy. I know if I defended paedophiles publicly. I'd be slammed on my socials, I'd be out of a job. So how can he do it and still be paid at the top? Because it's not just fault. He is simply one cog in the misguidedly marvelled Machiavellian massively Marshall million dollar Murdoch machine.Dan Ilic  56:52  Just want to say thanks to the Daily Telegraph for reviewing this show. Really glad that you're here. All right, welcome to second half irrational fear. We're about to kick it off. So, of course, you know, to pay our exorbitant bills. We need to run another sponsorship ad, so let's take it away sponsor.Unknown Speaker  57:12  Standby for an announcement about announcements from the Commonwealth of Australia, the federal government to secure the COVID-19 vaccine football Australians is what we hope you picked up from the news this week. We haven't yet but we announced it. How good would that be? Just like the $2 billion national bushfire recovery fund that only existed in your brain the moment we announced it now that science and not to mention getting the arts industry back on their feet with a Coronavirus stimulus package that we haven't delivered. That was a really good announcement. We did it ages ago. Guy Sebastian was there. And he looks at the federal government announcing things because doing things is the state's responsibility as my son was being crushed, because I have to read these ads to stay alive regardless of my own political opinion.Unknown Speaker  58:06  very rational.Dan Ilic  58:09  Very good. Excellent, excellent. Now I don't know if you folks saw this today, the Minister of Health, Greg hunt, was on ABC News breakfast this morning talking about the vaccine rollout. When Michael Rutland seem a pretty simple question about why the Liberal Party was using the Liberal Party logo on the announcement about the Commonwealth Government vaccine rollout. Anyway, have a look at this. Greg hunt wasn't very happy with that ChristianHamish Blake  58:36  break up when you announce the very welcome 10 million additional doses of Pfizer on your social media channels last week. Why did you feel the need to attach a Liberal Party logo to an Australian government announcement?Unknown Speaker  58:49  Well, in fact, we made the Australian Government announcement as the government with the Prime Minister. wrong views I've notUnknown Speaker  58:56  ever knowDan Ilic  58:58  why I'll finish I'll finish if you let me. Because we predicted that you seem to be the most exercised of any person in the Australian media about this. So I was elected under that banner, multiple members from across multiple parties do that. I'm a very proud member of that party with a great heritage and tradition in Australia. And that's part of the Australian democratic process. So overwhelmingly, we do these things as the Australian Government on a particular channel. There's no problem with identifying entirely appropriately within the rules, the origins and heritage of that under that banner under which we were electedUnknown Speaker  59:39  by the Australian Australian government announcement who paid for the vaccine.Unknown Speaker  59:45  Let us draw a clear distinction here. I know this is an issue for you. In many ways. You identify with the left you do this a lot and I respect No no,Unknown Speaker  59:56  no I IUnknown Speaker  59:59  find that appealing If I'm asking you exercise about what he'sDan Ilic  1:00:03  doing he doesn't identify you with the left arm exercise you should be open about that I'm open about my origin wow now the liberals kind of do this kind of stuff all the time I don't know if you remember during the bush fires they put out a video saying that the deployed the army this was about three months into the bush fire so everything was already burnt out. So that was really good. I'm I don't know about you folks. I'm okay with this. I don't mind dead but as long as they put their logo on every single achievements that they do, I've made a few social media posts they can do to get started. Here we go. Liberal Party secures Australia's largest dose of national debt ever. Labour Party secures women's change room for liberal electorate despite not having Women's rugby team. This one's good Liberal Party steals money from poor people using robot that makes lots of arrows. This one's a little off the game but still I like it Liberal Party use the AFP to investigate Greg hunter for liking a tweet from BB w comm pumper 69. And we never heard about it again. And if you're listening to the podcast, you can go to the show notes and download a template where you can do your own.Alice Fraser  1:01:16  That was such a weird interaction. And not just because of the fact that it was super weird, but because he was all like talkingChris Taylor  1:01:23  about the company.Alice Fraser  1:01:26  Because he was obviously trying to turn it into a culture war thing. But he was using this like super loaded, like my heritage, the heritage of the Liberal Party I identify with, like it was really as though they'd done something racist.Dan Ilic  1:01:40  Yeah. It's always good to hedge your bets, I think. Yeah, it's just nice to see the liberals trying identity politics for once.Chris Taylor  1:01:48  I mean, as someone who knows Michael Rowland, he is actually one of the least lift people. Like it was Kerry O'Brien, fair enough, like this is genuinely insidious. And it's following a pattern. It's sort of borrowing from trumpism, where when they know they've done something wrong, there's strategies to attack the media straightaway and to discredit the media, and I hope the electorate see through because it's really, really bad.Dan Ilic  1:02:10  Lewis is someone that works at the ABC who's got a full time job you want to come in.Hamish Blake  1:02:17  You do identify with that. That particular station, which there was a squiggly triumvirate into twining,Alice Fraser  1:02:26  I think ABC has a proud heritage.Unknown Speaker  1:02:33  well established,Dan Ilic  1:02:35  I feel much more comfortable with you guys doing this. Well, folks, this is the 100th episode of irrational fear. It's pretty great. I think it's actually 100. Second, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. So hopefully, you will just be a little bit self indulgent. We started this show at rational fi in 2012. because there wasn't a place to do jokes about the news and climate change and provide a new platform for voices. This show we kind of put together on stage for the very first time at the FBI social, which was a small room, not unlike this in the King's Cross hotel. And we streamed it live on FBI radio back in 2012. It was really great. And you know, from there, we've done lots of great stuff we sold at the Opera House a few times we've had sellout tours around the country. Barack Obama's National Security Adviser came on the podcast and slam Tony Abbott. And that made news which is fantastic. And it's been a lot of fun. You know, the reason why we made this is so we can all show off and show how smart and funny we are.Alice Fraser  1:03:39  Can I say when you brought me onto the show the first time I'd never done satirical comedy before. And last week, I was on the BBC News Quiz. SoUnknown Speaker  1:03:47  you're right.Alice Fraser  1:03:51  For a large portion of my career Thank you dadDan Ilic  1:03:53  extensively the show's done a lot better for everybody else's careers.Yeah, Ican't believe we managed to get DJ Tom loud. Tom, Tom, DJ, don't come to our first sponsor shows now Tom is like the most in demand DJ in Australia.Hamish Blake  1:04:15  HIV jam, right.Dan Ilic  1:04:19  This is the whole point in this show works because people come together to make it happen. And it's been such a great little platform for loads of folks. Dylan Bane, who's in the audience. There he is. He's dealing is usually the the chafer of the show. He pulled together this video with some folks who have been a part of the show over the years, soUnknown Speaker  1:04:46  congratulations. 100 episodesUnknown Speaker  1:04:49  100 shows you're backing kidding.Unknown Speaker  1:04:52  Hello, Tom Ballard here, saying congratulations to irrational fearUnknown Speaker  1:04:57  on your 100th episode. Hey,Unknown Speaker  1:04:58  irrational fear. Congrats. On your 100th episode, what a huge achievement Dan andUnknown Speaker  1:05:04  the rest of the irrational fear team amazing work a huge Happy 100 to the AFR, such a great milestone and gratulations on 100Unknown Speaker  1:05:13  episodes. I'm so sorry, IUnknown Speaker  1:05:14  couldn't be there. But I was not invited. And even if I was I wouldn't come.Unknown Speaker  1:05:19  I'm not not a fan, a RFUnknown Speaker  1:05:22  rational fear. What's that?Unknown Speaker  1:05:23  What's that again?Unknown Speaker  1:05:24  Hi, thisUnknown Speaker  1:05:24  is Adam hills. AndChris Taylor  1:05:25  I'd like to sincerely congratulate damage on these wonderful podcasts.Unknown Speaker  1:05:31  The burns and stuff the British stopDan Ilic  1:05:33  knockout breeze here.Unknown Speaker  1:05:34  Sorry, IUnknown Speaker  1:05:35  can't be there tonight about currently on the set of new Thor movie.Unknown Speaker  1:05:42  I'm not informed, but I was hoping to speak to Chris Hemsworth aboutUnknown Speaker  1:05:46  playing me and a biopic of mine of my life becauseUnknown Speaker  1:05:49  I think you'll agree with the resemblance is uncanny. Good night, Danny. CongratulationsUnknown Speaker  1:05:54  on 100 episodes of convincing telling,Unknown Speaker  1:05:58  pushing, cajoling, massaging, insisting and otherwise asking nicely for every unemployed comedian and or semi employed comedian and or semi comedian to appear on your podcastUnknown Speaker  1:06:10  on a paid on 100 episodes and the only admin for one almost have been shaped his podcastUnknown Speaker  1:06:17  and live show has done what all satire does, which is fundamentally change political economic reality and fixUnknown Speaker  1:06:25  all the problems.Unknown Speaker  1:06:26  I remember eight years ago, climate change was a bit scary. And the internet was incubating in embryonic. All right, but fast forward to today. 100 episodes later, congratulations.Unknown Speaker  1:06:36  Everything is much worse. That's just dumb. Sorry. That's not how I am wanting that to come out.Unknown Speaker  1:06:42  I'm just so sad that this is going to be the last one because like, the news is pretty slow at the moment. Not really anything to discuss, but he's hoping something interesting happened soon.Unknown Speaker  1:06:55  I don't actually accept the premise of your celebration. If I did, I totally gratulations I would sayUnknown Speaker  1:07:01  what an incredible lucky country we are to have comedian lucky working but of course, it's allUnknown Speaker  1:07:07  gossip and innuendo. So can't say any of that. You know, in talkback radio,Unknown Speaker  1:07:12  we love hearing stories about Ozzy battlers people from struggle street who against the odds have had a go and managed to achieve something. And when I think about battlers, I think about Danny like an irrational fear. Despite all the challenges in front of Dan, he's managed to make irrational fear a success, and they've now clocked up 100 shows in a very real sense without this show, I wouldn't be where I am today, which is in a maximum security facility with a satellite orbiting the planet right now for I cannot be on the earth any longer.Unknown Speaker  1:07:46  One guest appearance by me made possible but for a kid partly out of tangent. With a really stupid name. Dan, you don't go down good. My dad. Good. Now if you want to have more, you got another but a warning. Since the success of at home alone together, nothing's gone up. It's gonna cost you at least 10 bucks.Unknown Speaker  1:08:08  Anyway. You know, keep up the podcast for some reason.Unknown Speaker  1:08:11  Yeah. Have aUnknown Speaker  1:08:13  very happy 100 celebration.Unknown Speaker  1:08:15  Huge. Congratulations. I'm so proud of you.Unknown Speaker  1:08:18  Well done. Congratulations, guys.Unknown Speaker  1:08:21  You're a special little man. Congratulations.Unknown Speaker  1:08:25  We love you.Unknown Speaker  1:08:38  Thanks very much.Hamish Blake  1:08:41  Like I know a lot of you know that I'm pretty hard hitting political guy. So I hope you have enjoyed the hors d'oeuvres and he's been really kick the head off a topic here. It is a real honour. It's a real honour to be on the show. Thank you Dan. Thank you Reverend honour to share the stage honour to be here on the 100th and you know i i don't even think that I just you know left my total last minute or anything like that. I was waiting like on a production line just looking at all the news of the week coming past just looking for the one with the hair in it looking for the one that I could grab. And I got the big one yesterday. I don't know if you guys have been watching the tennis but they've gotten rid of lines people did you know people say that it's done yet yeah. Thank you just said a bit louder for the audio no one else got one of those. Yeah, it's being stolen off is a COVID thing I think so not as big as Kim. Yeah. I've actually got more so we do need to get past because it's not actually a huge service COVID thing they just using the laser now they using Hawkeye Hawkeye live. It's called and they've got so when it's a fault or out it's a record voice that's yelling fault or out. But the talk is they're not bringing the lines people back. The robots are doing such a good job. That now there is a few dozen stern faced middle aged people in broad brim hats, who are very good at seeing when things are a little bit off who don't have a job? And yeah, I know what, and they're walking around the tennis and they'd have to do. I mean, I could probably just go they can probably look at people to see if they're a metre and a half apart and go 1.49. But it's not a and it is a bit like when supermarkets replaced checkout people with the robot checkouts, it's the same thing that's going on with lions people. Yeah, a couple of minutes sad. And then they didn't do the thing that they do in the supermarkets, which is they forced women, they forced the people to banks to teach you how to use the robot that was stealing its job. And I had to go Yeah, and so as you can see, it's very easy. And I'll shift so I didn't do that. That was a biggest kick in the pants. I haven't done that. However, however, that's the human cost. So there was a sad part of the story is actually the real information that came out. This is the bit that I grabbed out of all the clippings that I had on the bed and was like yes. It's it's made the news because there's a little bit of a devil in the detail here. So the maker of Hawkeye. This is the first time I've ever done research of insomnia. And he's the director of tennis. Bam. figurado. Right. He's done it with the agent, The Sydney Morning Herald. He says he's excited because with this technology that detects out and fault and you can get it to yell out using a robot voice. He said we can make it yell anything. He's like, you know, do you guys know about mp3 files? It doesn't have to be out and he doesn't he's like that's just Dennis telling us to do that. We This is these exact words because we can even make it yell Rolex or Kia. Like we can make it yell the sponsor when it lands out or it's a fault. It's a fucking cash Bonanza. All right, so I know it's one of those weird moments where you go hang on a sec, is you know, don't you know totally there's money involved in the game. Definitely the players aren't just out there because I love tennis and channel nines just showing to us every now because they thought we would be interested to see what the best tennis players are doing. Now there's a lot of cash it's been a crazy commercialism makes us sad because we're losing one of the traditional values of the game, which is people on the age yelling out and you know, curiosity yelling at them. It was like a science teacher versus like, you know, Daniel Wheeler back at my school and you know, the brand or the science teacher, so we don't have any more. Money has crept in manuscripts in and I know that makes people sad in sport. But here's we're gonna put all my cards on the table. I spent 15 years in commercial radio and television. I am trained to see opportunities. This is what we do. This is our bread and butter. I'm a fucking ninja at this. Have you heard the triple m football call? The bowl is sponsored. The stats sheet is sponsored. They don't even call them stats they call them hard Yeah, cuzjakka does the stats so they go how many hot jackets have they made? That's the stat I can't believe we're still sayinghere's the thing. Here's the thing there is I think there is a visit there's an issue though out and fault and negative terms like if your Rolex Okay, you don't want if something bad happens, you don't wanna be associated with that. So first step that I will give the geniuses is if Kia is in charge of it, you make the you make the fault call you make it a competitor lands out. It's the Hyundai Elantra is full of faults. If it's an alcohol on your Rolex you have tag while you're out rageous Lee bad value I don't want to tag on a Rolex let down by watch the Rolex but I think that's small potatoes as we say in the commercial biz. Out fault. Who cares? let you know someone else can have those if care and they are the main sponsor. If you really want to own this. have come up with an idea. Now Louis, I know you're going to get a free laptop. Previously. It hasn't happened. Well, I have asked many times. Yeah, but you've been sloppy because you didn't use brand names. You've got that ABC Wi Fi Well,Unknown Speaker  1:14:43  yeah,Unknown Speaker  1:14:43  I will.Dan Ilic  1:14:44  I will get fired if I mention a brand name.Hamish Blake  1:14:47  I thought that might be the case. My friend. I please mentioned here so much against you a car.Unknown Speaker  1:14:55  He could I just jump in Could it be Land RoverHamish Blake  1:15:00  Why don't we start with the keyer? And we're gonna work our way up from there. I mean, we'd love to start listening from now. Okay. All right, he's, here's the thing, if there's one area that we can change that is boring, a little bit confusing in tennis, it's a scoring. No one knows what goes 15 1510 then how many is a guy, no one knows. No one knows. He won't miss it. No one. From now on, Louis, this is our freight, we want to hear this here. This man loses pitch to you about what you can do with the scoring. Okay? So instead of having the numbers and the games and stuff, it's all related to chaos. So love the score of zero. That's just walking that we call that walking now. You don't have a car. So you're it's the absence of cases. And you don't want to you want to you want to get past that. That was that would be a nightmare. And so the idea is you're building your care as the game goes on. So I know the old system was confusing, and this is a little confusing, but 15 Now we call wheels. Okay, he's on wheels. 30s engine 40 chassis, okay. Which is I don't know. I think it's Jesse.Dan Ilic  1:16:25  Tennessee, Tennessee is French. So it's Jesse.Hamish Blake  1:16:28  Jesse. That's so funny. So you're building the car. Oh, you only got the exterior of the body to go. Except so if you win the next point, you have a full Kia. However, for the 40 all because chassis chassis. In the old system that was juice in the new system, that's exterior options. Okay. So you get to players locked in exterior options. If you win the next point, you get metallic paint. Right? Then if you win that you've built your care Okay, so you've won one case for that equals a game as the set progresses. This is where it gets a little trickier. You name it sounds like game one game two. He's won three games he's won four games you don't say that anymore because there's no money in that. You now refer to each number of games corresponds to the ascending order of the key a range Okay, so if you just get good I know. If you've just won one game that's the Zippy and reliable key to that's the very capable Kia Rio then you go to the key of Serato The key is sell toss the key is potage. The sixth game is the luxurious Kia Sorento. And then if the set does go to the seventh game, that of course is the seventh carnival. And then you have won the set which is a collection of cars. So now you've now got a collection of cars. If you win the game, that's a fleet for the fleet. You don't win the game. Do you want to play the keys through the championship? Of course we just change that terminology. You've won the dealership like that's now what you win. And your opponent has to drive away no multiply.Dan Ilic  1:18:02  Okay? It wasn't confusing. I think we all understood that.Alice Fraser  1:18:17  You did not think I could find tennis more boring. And then you made it about cars and math.Hamish Blake  1:18:25  Imagine you know that. One of the other big guys locked into Sorento. I meanDan Ilic  1:18:32  imagine a country he wouldn't even fit in the SorentoHamish Blake  1:18:36  that's just eat for those at home I'm doing the money symbol withAlice Fraser  1:18:42  all this from Novak Djokovic throat punching lines person withinHamish Blake  1:18:46  an hour or driving around. Now you're gonna love it. CanUnknown Speaker  1:18:51  I just say I as I as a long term AVC employee that was so yeah. I felt I felt like I was learning a different language. therapy. Yeah, no, I thought I'd hide it but I loved it.Hamish Blake  1:19:07  You'll learn to love it. Just say a few times and it just rolls off the tongue. I'll get you on to some.Dan Ilic  1:19:26  Speaking of love, Gabby bolt has got one last song for us before we wrap up the night. Gabby.Gabbi Bolt  1:19:32  Thank you. It's funny. Actually, I'm from Baptist. Note that got the word deserved. Which is it just means basically, I without a pandemic. I also just haven't seen people. Just my life but I have a tick tock account,Yumi Stynes  1:19:47  which isUnknown Speaker  1:19:48  Yeah, look. ButGabbi Bolt  1:19:54  I have more followers than my hometown. So thanks. But basically, I I've been in the public eye and I'm not at all used to that. And so when I post online, sometimes people like to talk to me. And so I've written a song to thank those people. It's called Love Song for an in sell. And in parentheses, I think I'd get on with your mum. Yep, it's only downhill from here. Recently, the internet has become my new abode. And every time I put up a political post, I see something that catches my eye. A retweet from the sweetest can I've got three little words that he goes and stays referring me to all of his money to someone to look up to. But john,would you bang. ignoring the fact that's not relevant, and ignoring the fact I'm greatly I've reached in bed and ignoring the disgusting sentiment, instead of a simple abuse of my autonomy. He could have tried to set the fucking scene for me. Tell me how we'd meet Tell me how you would treat me. But since you aren't, give me the courtesy. I'll do what must be done. I reckon we would meet on the street. You can call me from your bus stop seeing you would be surprised when I in fact, say hey, I'm super flattered that you want to see my rack denied asked you to take me on a date. I'll leave it I'll do it and I'll say, Hey, could you pick me up round eight. And you'll say you can't drive. That's why you're at a bus station. So I broke up to your house, which is an overstatement because your house is your mom's and you live in her basement, or wait with your mom for a while in the hallway. She seems real sweet. It's a shame her son is an ashtray. regard a potent or it complements well with your sweat at the door. And as we leave for an evening I've been looking for. I remember you've picked the menu and the menu and the seating. I stole that line from Hamilton. Please don't sue me. When we take to our chairs amongst the popcorn he and I asked what kind of film I'm in for. not surprised at all to hear it's by Tarantino. As we watch the list of all the films you've seen, though, you do go on to say that representation is not important. And diversity has ruined all the things you enjoy. And I feel unsafe. But for narrative sake, we have to get to that base. And we dim the lights down though. Well, actually, they're off. Oh, basements, not on the same circuit board. Even in the dark, your chest hair really just shines through. And I'm giving you allUnknown Speaker  1:23:42  and you're crying.Unknown Speaker  1:23:51  Really.Gabbi Bolt  1:23:53  It's been a bit of a dig. I shouldn't be a dick, even in a hypothetical. So I hold you. You say your sexual performance is one of your biggest fears. You treat women like they're objects to distract from the fact you're probably bad at sex. And while I'm empathetic, I am not an idiot. I grind my stuff and run the fuck out of the basement. But I stopped to talk to your mom. Because honestly, she seems fun. But she doesn't seem to know. There's a sickness that exists within cyberspace most diagnoseable in patients who hide their face, hey, look around. It could be one of your mates who told me I shouldn't have opinions and to know my place where it's going good. My first mistake Thank you very much.Unknown Speaker  1:24:50  That makes me feel way better. So as a woman ifGabbi Bolt  1:24:54  you wish to share a point of view, be aware of the shitstorm that awaits you in the Reddit. forums in the Twitter hashtags in the YouTube comments, tick tock do it. The Facebook feed in the email junk box in the Insta DMS and in the post once I was doxed andUnknown Speaker  1:25:13  taking account happy toGabbi Bolt  1:25:26  but none of that matters. He already rated me as six.Unknown Speaker  1:25:55  Fantastic.Dan Ilic  1:25:58  And now to talk that I did I spent 15 minutes trying to work out where do I put the soUnknown Speaker  1:26:12  sorry.Dan Ilic  1:26:14  There's so good Gabby, Gabby.Unknown Speaker  1:26:20  Actually I forgot the words on purpose.Gabbi Bolt  1:26:23  Because the words on purpose,Alice Fraser  1:26:24  never apologise to being better than Louis.Chris Taylor  1:26:29  You'll be apologising old.Dan Ilic  1:26:34  Everybody, Louis is actually talking to someone else last night about the show and they're like, Oh, hey, Mitch, Mike's gonna be on it. I'm like, yeah, I'm following you. And they're likeUnknown Speaker  1:26:46  you now. I'm soHamish Blake  1:26:53  glad I got him before. Just on behalf of the Father. Wow, it feels great.Dan Ilic  1:27:08  I wish the show was tomorrow like I thought. Now as a Victorian who lives in Sydney, I've always kind of felt like Switzerland in the Sydney Melbourne debate. I think they're both great. You know, Melbourne has the third and the 40. Sydney has the beaches and the beauty, but it was always one trump card that Melbourne had to play. When it came to its victory over Sydney hidden in a little laneway was a secret spot called crown casino.Now as long as Sydney didn't have a crown casino, it would always be Melvin's poor cousin. Everyone knew it. It's all anyone talked about up here.Unknown Speaker  1:27:47  Why don't we get a crowd? Where can IDan Ilic  1:27:52  go if I want to gamble and eat at restaurants that already exists pretty close by? Well, you could go to star casino I'd say the crown the city can never be king. And then, like a white knight riding in on his glimmering super yacht, James James Packer, he built a new crown right here. It would Herald a new dawn of subtle sophistication. Right here in the Emerald City. I'm talking a hidden tucked awayUnknown Speaker  1:28:33  22 hectares of land and almost impossible to spot 75 for casino and all owned and run by a family business. The Packers for a moment, Sydney was the happiest place on earth. And before I even got a chance to take my call Melbourne friends to barang or over a hit night of gambling.Unknown Speaker  1:28:59  I find outDan Ilic  1:29:00  the crown can open in Sydney. Apparently some intern who calls himself a former Supreme Court Justice suddenly decided after an 18 month investigation, the crown is unsuitable to run a casinobecause crown Casino in Melbourne has a long history of money laundering. Melbourne isn't that typical? Not only does it have the better restaurants it'sUnknown Speaker  1:29:27  better at money laundering.Unknown Speaker  1:29:27  If I have to if I want a money launderer, I have to drive 10 hours down the UDan Ilic  1:29:34  turn my drug money into chips. It's outrageous. You know, Ban someone for money laundering. Remember last year when Westpac accidentally forgot to mention 19 point 5 million transactions of money laundering but gaveUnknown Speaker  1:29:47  them a little fine.Unknown Speaker  1:29:48  No one went to prison. It was an accident. It was 19 point 5 million accidents. We crown only made one mistake one little money laundering mistake. Oops.Unknown Speaker  1:30:04  has noDan Ilic  1:30:05  one's organised the junket for a triad gang to dump profits of crime for over a decade.Look me in the eye and tell me I haven't done it.Honestly,telling crown they can't operate money laundering casinos. It's like telling Asha Gunzburg he can host TV. It's what they were born to do. Without crown jobs will be lost. Can you imagine the layoffs in the triad gangs?Unknown Speaker  1:30:36  I want to be theUnknown Speaker  1:30:37  guy at suddenlink who has to tellUnknown Speaker  1:30:38  a hitman he can apply for a job caper. Not only will people not be able to launder money, help people gamble.Unknown Speaker  1:30:46  Are you telling me people can just gamble on their phones?Unknown Speaker  1:30:51  anytime on literallyDan Ilic  1:30:52  anything. fashioned book by holidays that a travel agent. I bind my porn at a sex shop. And I like to gamble in a giant penis shaped building.Unknown Speaker  1:31:07  I don't want to gamble on a machine that fits in my pocket. I want to gamble in a big machine filled with coins like a robot leprechaun. I'm worried about what will happen to the beautiful barangaroo if crown can open its casino. Usually when you're not allowed in a Sydney building. It's for a normal reason like it has cracks and it's about to fall down.Dan Ilic  1:31:33  Right now in Sydney there is a 75 storey money laundering cop just sitting there. I mean, what are we gonna do with an empty building for the fucking crowd on top of it? limits the options or you rent it to crown lager is a bigger crime than money laundering.What are we gonna do literally rented out to likeUnknown Speaker  1:32:03  a royal family. The closestDan Ilic  1:32:05  Australia has to royal families the Hemsworth hay barn house is nicer than barangaroo. If this nanny state won't let James Packer open his money laundering factory, I do actually have a few ideas of what we could do with the empty space. Now your average Twitter teardrop will tell you that it should be used for public housing or COVID quarantine hotels.Unknown Speaker  1:32:26  How about this? It's got a lot of CCTV cameras. Big Brother house.Unknown Speaker  1:32:35  If you think Crown's reputation is too bad for a TV network to film Big Brother. Keep in mind they used to film in a dream world.Unknown Speaker  1:32:48  Just saying the standards low. Okay, it's not right to be brother. I hear your groans maybe another show Ninja Warrior right across the casino floor. The first person to jump over the jewel of the Nile swinging around a roulette wheel roll Snake Eyes crack open the vault and swim through a billion dollars of laundered money wins $50,000 the rest of the money goes to crown.Dan Ilic  1:33:09  I don't like that idea. IUnknown Speaker  1:33:10  got more. We all know that James Packer and Mariah Carey are well and truly over. Maybe it's not too late to rewrite the divorce. So Mariah gets barangaroo imagineLewis Hobba  1:33:22  Mariah Carey living alone ina giant tower for the next 30 years. While the giant facade slowly decays one day and intrepid explorer wandering through the heat wasteland that was once Sydney machetes through the IV branches that have overtaken crowns revolving doors to find Mariah in rags. sauntering the empty hall singing All I want for Christmas is you while she minds eating a sumptuous feast off the empty plates in a deserted note.Unknown Speaker  1:33:58  Yes, itUnknown Speaker  1:33:59  is an excellent idea.Unknown Speaker  1:34:02  But it's not as good as money laundering.Lewis Hobba  1:34:06  Just like crowns should be allowed to launder money just like they do in Melbourne. I'm sick of Sydney being numberUnknown Speaker  1:34:12  two.Lewis Hobba  1:34:12  Do you know that New South Wales isn't even the state with the most amount of poker machines in the world? Guess what number we are? The two you know who number one is Nevada?Unknown Speaker  1:34:24  First the store winsUnknown Speaker  1:34:25  the rugby league and now thisDan Ilic  1:34:27  crown casino simply must be allowed to operate in Sydney. I mean they even let Western Australia have a crown casino that's a state where you hit a jackpot anytime you dig a hole. Sydney doesn't pick up its game Soon. Soon. We'll have nothing I mean, we'llUnknown Speaker  1:34:44  have one casino but what do we HobartUnknown Speaker  1:34:50  we've already lost the curse ship business.Unknown Speaker  1:34:52  Don't take away our culture.Unknown Speaker  1:34:57  We need a friendly place with a carpet. That reminds you of funky fruit funeral parlourUnknown Speaker  1:35:02  with lighting thatUnknown Speaker  1:35:02  says What time is it? Who cares? And a car park full of family waggons with the windows down just enough for the kidsUnknown Speaker  1:35:09  to breathe. I hope personally I don't see the day when there's a real estate agent out the front of barangaroo auctioning it off, and if I do 2.2 billion is actually not a bad price for an apartment, Sydney. So thank you so much.Unknown Speaker  1:35:37  patreon supportersDan Ilic  1:35:45  discord channel, FBI radio, john Spicer, Blake LewisUnknown Speaker  1:36:02  and until next week,  A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Yeah, I know tullos listening at home on the podcast I got a new laptop putting out pretty subtle signs for the last year to ask one of our listeners to donate to me but it turns out listen as a contains zero sugar daddy, so I have bought Whoa.Well, we you should know, Louis that we do have a few sugar daddies but they are giving us money in $3 amounts. big thank you to fauzia Khan chipping in with $3 David McCullough is chipping in a bit more 10 bucks a month. big thank you to those folks on the Patreon if you want to join us on Patreon you can simply go to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear Hi everyone. Oh,Mel Silva  0:47  I'm also on a GoogleDan Ilic  0:49  was trying to mill soUnknown Speaker  0:51  Australians. Oh, shut up.Dan Ilic  0:53  We just don't need her. She's up everywhere. Have you seen Mel silver she's you know male silver. I'mBen van Beurden  0:58  not familiar with male silver. I've just I've gotten I've gotten rid of Google in anticipation of our upcoming.Dan Ilic  1:06  Well, I just feel like she's everywhere. She's omnipresent. I want to say to people living in so called Sydney metropolitan area. We are 80% sold of our 100th live show which is great news. You've only got six more days to get tickets go to giant dwarf.com.au The link will be in the show notes Lewis who is on the show.Lewis Hobba  1:26  You and I are there Dan? They're wonderful. Gabby bolt who has been blowing up Tick Tock. We've got Of course. Yumi stynes the great Yes. We have Alice Fraser the delight Yeah. larious the wonderful Alice Fraser. We have Chris Taylor. Unbelievable. Yes. Actor winning writer of the show he did which night? Stand up Stand up and of course is Harish flakes who coming?Unknown Speaker  1:57  Yeah, yes, IUnknown Speaker  1:58  think it wasBen van Beurden  1:59  Yeah. How annoying would it be if I just did if I just said Thank God you hear over and over to him.Dan Ilic  2:09  I think that'll be part of the show. So please head to join dwarf Comdata you to buy tickets, letting you know that I'm recording my end of irrational feet on gadigal land in the urination. sovereignty was never seated. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  2:23  A rational fear contains no to words like bricks cambro COMM And section 40 a rational view recommended listening by immature audience.Dan Ilic  2:36  Tonight fake news has been named the word of the decade by mccory dictionary the Oxford Dictionary has reached out to clarify that it's actually two words and having missed out on any of the 170 $7 million bushfire recovery Fund. The Heritage listed Blue Mountains realised they made the mistake of not being a Rugby League club from Queensland with a women's team that doesn't exist. And Tanya plibersek confrontation with Craig Kelly over vaccine conspiracies had the liberal backbencher needing to apply hydroxychloroquine for those harsh burns. It's the fifth of February and it's a historic and proud day for irrational fear podcasts. This is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational v. I'm your host, Dan Ilic, former CEO of amazon.com. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight, a man who decided that it was simply too risky to come to so called Sydney to do our 100th anniversary live show. So he could say in Melbourne instead it's the Sultan of satire is Sammy Sha Sami. Are you a COVID coward?Sami Shah  3:51  I am indeed a COVID coward only because I have a daughter and I and I parent week on week off, like so many divorced parents do in this day and age. And so if I get stuck there for one extra day, or two or three, it's good to have everyone's schedules and I just don't risk it. And I'll be honest, I just don't trust sydneysiders you've got your eyes every time every day that goes by without Sydney somehow causing the end of the worldBen van Beurden  4:21  but also you I don't know why that would be a surprise.Dan Ilic  4:23  And this week marks her 10th year in Parliament House Press gallery yet she is yet to see parole its friend of the podcast Sharla madora Shalala 10 years that is a long time to be giving your your self to the Australian Parliament House Press gallery andShalialah Medhora  4:38  I must have done something really bad, you know to get. I mean, Sammy, if you feel that suicide is a shifty God knows what you must think of people who work in house is very very shifty bunch.Dan Ilic  4:53  And it's the man who refuses to line up for anything. It's Louis haba.Ben van Beurden  4:58  I mean, that's accurate, but also you I don't know why that would be a surprise. Like I don't know yet why finding apps for idiotsDan Ilic  5:05  coming up a little later on, we're going to be crossing live to me and to hear how young people are coping with the military decision to give up on that whole democratic process thing, after just being five years in opposition will ask what can the Alp learn from the Burmese military junta. But first a message from our sponsor?Unknown Speaker  5:22  Hi, everyone. Oh, noUnknown Speaker  5:23  Silver Eagle here in Australia.Dan Ilic  5:26  There's no there's no window. Sorry. That's our rock sponsor, she always just turns up out of nowhere. But first, a message from our sponsor.Bill Gates  5:33  Hello, I'm Bill Gates, former Microsoft founder and CEO now full time Boomer with too many resources at hand. And when I'm not planning to vaccinate the world with the latest antivirus, I'm using bing bing almost works as great as Google. That's why over 6% of the world trust Bing to find what they're looking for. Say you want to find the best coffee shop near you. All you have to do is go to www.bing.com and type in Spanish Civil War, and the best coffee shops will appear on your screen. And say you want to read all the latest news on your phone. Just download the app and hit the latest news tab. And you can binge all the latest news on the Costa Concordia shipper with the departure of Google from Australia my old friends at Microsoft are ready to make being relevant to Australia as Australia is relevant to the world. Oh under this has nothing to do with the rumours of me trying to inject you with 5g nanobots just try to search for it on Bing it doesn't exist. baring brainDan Ilic  6:51  finally some real money coming into the podcast.Lewis Hobba  6:56  I really enjoyed that.Unknown Speaker  6:58  Thank you.Dan Ilic  6:59  Firstly tonight Collingwood Football Club is according to long standing president Eddie McGuire not racist but has problems with systemic racism. What's the difference? Well, not even any could phone a friend to find out. A report on the failures of the football club to deal with systemic racism was delivered to the club in December. And in classic Hollywood defensive form, they promptly buried it. It was then leaked to a journalist who's gonna publish it this week. So once you get on the backfoot callingwood President Eddie McGuire got out ahead of the story and held a 15 minute press conference to announce that it was a proud and an historic day for the club. HistoricUnknown Speaker  7:33  yesDan Ilic  7:33  proud. It's the kind of proud of three year old has after they've made a mural with their own faeces in the living room wall. I think the do better report says a few things like there's a gap between what the club stands for and what it does. what it stands for, of course, is winning football games. What it does is winning football games while being racist. The report acknowledges that Collingwood does do some great stuff in the community like programmes around homelessness, it's just that it does that at the same time as being racist. The report also says that whenever racism is reported, racists in charge are too busy thinking racist thoughts to hear the reports they forget what was reported so no one thinks they're racist fear mongers Is this a proud and historic day for Collingwood? Sami.Sami Shah  8:19  One of the things you have to understand is that Eddie didn't never get a chance to tell us exactly what he was proud off. You know, he said he was proud. We don't realise he is proud. And he's rightfully proud of the racism in the club of how good they are, how efficiently they've done it over the years. Have you had a game plan and you stuck to that game plan no matter what came their way? You know, that requires effort concentration. Here's the crazy thing. The thing that upsets me the most about this whole story is that I now have to talk about footy. And I do not care about Pakistan and I don't give a shit about cricket. Why would I ever give a footy The only way I could ever have a sinkhole opened up under the MCG, all the teams, all the players, all the supporters and fans, and the overall IQ of this country went up significantly. Until that happens, I would like to avoid took my footie But somehow, because it addresses racism involves racism. I now have to talk about this repulsive sport run by an absolutely repulsive group of human beings.Shalialah Medhora  9:25  Well, if the racist was gonna come after you because of the colour of your skin, it's definitely the AFL comments that are gonna send themSami Shah  9:32  the way I figured they're coming off, someone's coming off at some point anyway, so far and wide and just get as many people as possibleDan Ilic  9:41  as a born and bred jilong man on na n and a lifetime jilong fan. I always been a huge fan of 40 and the racism in 40 years is huge. It's out of control. And Eddie McGuire. Like we've all seen the when he said Hold. We mentioned a radio that, you know Adam Goodes should go and say King Kong, there's like, he has been terrible this whole time. And it is often, with all issues like to do with race, you'd often say, it isn't a black and white issue. But with Collingwood, it literally is it's the colours of their jerseys. So there's really nothing that he can say to get around that, but it is you could sort of see what a normal person without that history might be trying to say in that moment, like, not proud but like, acknowledging these issues is is important, but I mean, what a butchering, for a person who talks professionally, constantly. What an absolute nightmare.Sami Shah  10:38  Can I just give you a short list of some of the things that Eddie McGuire has said, you know, badly in the past. So for example, there's the time he like you said called Adam said Adam Brooks should promote kingkong when he joked about drowning AFL journalists Caroline Wilson, when he made homophobic remarks about a male figure skaters when he called john l Mozi. asked when he should be boning Nine Network presented Jessica roll and called Western Sydney, the land of the falafel these are all humongous acts of racism, homophobia, misogyny, from one man whose career has done nothing but benefit from this. So why would you stop at this point?Shalialah Medhora  11:19  gaslighter in chief, really, isn't he luck? By saying no, no, there's no racism. It's like, Who are you trying to fool with all of these comments like honestly, your that's what you say on the record? Can you imagine what goes on behind the scenes in that particular club? Like it's massively gaslighting on the national level?Dan Ilic  11:38  Well, I think it's absolutely clear that Eddie is clearing the decks and he's absolutely ready for a career in national politics.Sami Shah  11:45  I don't think he could afford the pay cut, to be very honest. I mean, the man with a Rolex Daytona on his wrist, that's 100 and something $1,000 watch, he has a TV show, he has a radio show, he has all of these things, going into politics would be a massive step down for him at this point.Dan Ilic  12:04  To get that kind of watch, you have to work in Australia Post and that's, that's a sideways step. That is a sideways step. It's interesting that had 18 recommendations in the report. And if you've managed to read it, I've summarised them all down to five, it is one learn about racism. Two, don't be racist. Three, if there's racism going on, stop it, and get rid of it for tell everyone not to be a racist five, and get people of colour and First Nations people into leadership positions. So that next time you might not actually be a racist by accident,Sami Shah  12:37  will never be accomplished. We can actually cross that one out right now.Dan Ilic  12:40  You don't think that'll be done? I think this is happening in organisations all over the country right now.Shalialah Medhora  12:45  I actually think that's the first thing that they'll do. But they'll put in a figurehead person, like they did at this particular press conference had a woman of colour First Nations woman there to mop up the mess of all the racists basically, to be the figurehead to be like, Look, we're not so bad, we've got a person, we've got a First Nations person here sitting next to us, we can't be that bad. That's the first thing they do. And then that poor person gets stuck with the burden of not only having to deal with racist incidents in their organisation, but then also cleaning up the mess of those racist incidents.Dan Ilic  13:16  I mean, they could always just hire Sam Newman in blackface.Sami Shah  13:28  Interesting to see the list of all the different things they're about as effective and as as innovative in their approach to dealing with racism as when you were in third grade. And your teacher said, if someone bullies you say, Stop it, I don't like it. Yeah, IDan Ilic  13:43  mean, that this is exactly the bullying policy, high school, this actually it's actually the same point. It's so baffling. And so it's so crazy that we have to give this to proper adults to read.Lewis Hobba  13:55  So someone who is one of the craziest things in terms of like the media cycle of it, is that after about 24 hours, Eddie McGuire was no longer the main focus of this problem. It was Wiley Dali, because of I don't know, he's obviously that that particular thing he did on the project. It was called out by the wonderful Amir Raman at the time, and everyone was like, This is trash at the time. And now it's been brought back up and everyone's like, it's still trash. And you know, hopefully like while he does say something about it, but it is pretty wild that like the front page of news calm is like Waleed Lee responsible for Collingwood's racism.Unknown Speaker  14:32  going on.Dan Ilic  14:33  Perhaps some criticism from an unconventional quarter is the voice actor john DiMaggio. You may have heard this guy he's from. He's from incredible animated series like Futurama. Here he is. This is him here standing outside his Hollywood home holding his magpies cap next to his bins.John Di Maggio  14:52  Well, hello, internet. And hello, everybody in Australia. You know when I was there, I had a lot of fun I was able to go to a couple of Ozzy footy games, and it was awesome. But then I come to learn that the team that I went to go see has been practising systemic racism for many, many years and have had racist practices and all kinds of shit like that. So I am standing on the right side and that can go into garbage. Because I don't play that shit. And don't worry, I'm not going back in there because there's dogshit in there. And I just opened up It stinks. They're picking it up tomorrow so bye bye. Sorry Collingswood Football Club. Your upper management are Philippines. Bye.Unknown Speaker  15:57  Didn't see that coming. And that wasDan Ilic  16:02  that was great.Ben van Beurden  16:04  Instead, I'm gonna go back to good old American tape. The Washington RedskinsSami Shah  16:10  did call it Collingswood, which isDan Ilic  16:13  ruin it for everyone that ruinedUnknown Speaker  16:15  irrational fear at McGuireUnknown Speaker  16:17  address the board room and for three or four minutes spoke about the way that he handled that report yesterday and says that he regrets the way it was interpreted irrational fear.Dan Ilic  16:29  Next fear the next story is probably about the luckiest unluckiest person in the news this way, everyone.Unknown Speaker  16:35  Oh,Dan Ilic  16:38  Jesus. No, I got Sorry about that. Yes, there's a teenager in the UK who is slowly coming out of 10 months long coma who has no knowledge of the pandemic despite also getting COVID twice in hospital now this kid is not going to know what the tiger King is. He's not gonna know about the capital insurrection. He's probably barely heard of glass animals heatwave? He's not the person that you're going to want to have on your next trivia team. That is for sure. Fear mongers. To what extent is a story like this worry you for the effectiveness of vaccines shy? Oh, IShalialah Medhora  17:16  just think this story is amazing. Like it sounds like one of those Hollywood sort of thrillers where someone's in a coma for a while and they wake up out of it and the whole world's change. Because Could you imagine like walking down the street? No one's in any shops or anything. No one's on the streets. Everyone's wearing masks. All of a sudden, you just like have a woken up in some sort of pandemic movie? Is that what's happening? Like, it will be terrifying hand sanitizers sold out like what? No one needs to use it in 2019 I just think it's I think it's a really amazing story. And this guy would just have so much to catch up onDan Ilic  17:52  we've all seen the movie insane. Oh, man, this guy is stoked on can't man. I can't wait for the film.Ben van Beurden  17:57  I don't think anyone should tell him. Like I think he should get moved to just some like a place where there are no people like put him in, in like Canberra. And just like, let let him let him either find out for himself or leave his life blissfully unaware. Like he's got the antibodies. He's been done twice. He's probably fine. Give him a vaccine. Let him go and let him be the one happy person left in the planet.Sami Shah  18:22  I think the movie you're referencing is the mistake of Encino Man, what you should be thinking of is 27 days later, which is in which a man wakes up from a coma to discover that all over the world has been taken over by zombies. And I feel like this is a golden opportunity. This is where we all start scaring the crap out of this guy by chasing after him making grouting sounds and pretending to eat each other. Just really give him a real sense of fear and panic for a little while. Before we can all collectively have that laugh. It'll bring us together.Lewis Hobba  18:55  It reminds me right at the start of the pandemic. One of my favourite stories with one of the best people of all time, was when Jared Leto came back from a two month yoga retreat. And it had been a silent it'd be a silent yoga retreat. So none of the people running their retreat had been able to tell anyone what was happening. So Jared Leto just like wandered back in from his like little town and he was like Hey guys, we shoot any new DC film What's up? He's like I'veUnknown Speaker  19:25  never doneLewis Hobba  19:29  I was like, as always, I'd love to be Jared Leno.Dan Ilic  19:32  It could also go the other way. I really like the the film goodbye linen. Do you guys remember that? That film is about about some grand grandkids of a grandmother who tried to grandmother wakes up from a coma but she loves Star Wars so much that that the kids had to pretend the Berlin Wall was still up and then the USSR was still kind of in full motion so they had to do this huge sham. It could go the other way. as well, but yeah,Shalialah Medhora  20:01  yeah, you would have to bring back the 2019 vibes by like taking that look of despair off our face, which will be really difficult to do because I think people have aged probably 10 years in the last 12 months. So I think that's gonna be particularly difficult to like, bring back that like optimistic glow to everyone that we used to have in 2019 Oh no, we'reDan Ilic  20:20  gonna have to pretend Donald Trump is still president. That's terrible.Sami Shah  20:25  We don't know what his political leanings are. He may be an ultra mega person, huge Trump supporter. And him coming out of the coma is one of the worst thing the worst thing that's happened, you know, hoping she'll be back in.Shalialah Medhora  20:39  The good thing about him is he's in the UK, right? And they're still part of like, Brexit still hasn't properly happened. So he's like, nothing has changed there. You don't have to pretend in any way that anything is different. In that sense,Dan Ilic  20:53  kid, I've got some bad news. The good news is you're awake. The bad news is you can't go to your house in Spain anymore. Ben van Beurden  20:59  You know. I think if you talk about cash flow, I think we came in more or less as per expectation $6.6 billion for the quarter i think is a resilient number. But indeed, the year was a very tough year. Let's be honest, a very painful year.Unknown Speaker  21:15  This is a rationalDan Ilic  21:16  fear. Here's the third fear of the week striking the balance of you know how to pay hotel quarantine workers is become a bit of a big problem. Don't pay them enough. They've got to take second jobs in the gig economy like in Western Australia, or pay them too much and they indulgent ethics, social lives that can endanger others. And you case of COVID and Victoria has has has come about now this guy was a hotel quarantine worker. And while his infectious he had a bit of a journey on Saturday, he went not to one but to sporting clubs on Sunday had a big shopping day. He went not to one but to Kmart and the calls for good measure, presumably because he thought his temperature would go down down. On Monday. He also went to Bunnings hardware and a Golf Academy. on a Monday he went to a Golf Academy on a Monday if I was into profiling, I'd say that this hotel quarantine worker had the habits of a retired AFL footballer. How do we strike the balance here guys? How do we strike the balance between you know pay how folks too much they have a good time or under pay them that they they endanger the lives of others? Either way? It's dangerous.Shalialah Medhora  22:23  I'm just really surprised he didn't go to a Thai restaurant because that's like the one thing that's tied to everyone else who's like everbridge quarantine. It's like Nah, man Thai restaurant,Unknown Speaker  22:33  why not?Sami Shah  22:34  I do have a lot of sympathy for the two k mods thing because I've been in that situation where like you want one specific thing from K mod you go all the way to came on to get it and then fine and they're out but then they call up someone that like actually is available in the other Kmart across the city and you're like but now I must have it because I'm on a quest and you do the drive so I'm nothing but simply in support for him. It's funny I keep the gold thing helped me a lot because normally when these cases happened with the child quarantine workers and staff and such of the security guards particularly I assume that they must be brown because it's I know it's a lot of guys like me from India from Pakistan working in these spaces. But the moment you mentioned the golf centre, I was ignited definitely a wind you like that. But overall, he did a great job. He tracked everywhere he went, he made sure everyone knew where he was going. And he made sure that he notified everyone got tested accordingly. So you know, if we have more gel quarantine workers like him, that was great. Lisa Neville MP said and Victoria question time today,Dan Ilic  23:39  the hotel quarantine worker had, quote, an amazing phone with a map that tells him everywhere he's been it's better than the Commonwealth's COVID safe app, I assume. I assume that was just Google Maps ride.Shalialah Medhora  23:53  Safe app is not a hard benchmark to me.Ben van Beurden  23:56  It is like it does feel like a hotel quarantine workers need to be told about online shopping. You don't need to go to Kmart. You don't need to go to any Kmart Kmart comes to you. It's a Melbourne thing you'reSami Shah  24:09  in Sydney you don't get it we spent months of just doing online shopping. If I have to click to purchase one more thing I lose my mind to India to buy the right spices now just to make sure I get out of the house.Dan Ilic  24:26  Well with an anthem for melburnians in their current rampant case of COVID Gaby Bolton Beck show have these for us.Mel Silva  24:32  Hi everyone.I'm Mel silver, and I likeDan Ilic  24:35  sorry, every day. I have this sorry Beck show and Gabby both have this for us.Gabbi Bolt  24:49  came out in mind. I was told to get a test and isolate. But instead I thought I would go And see what I can buy of useless subjects cheaply made I started feeling my temperature it rose at four k Mart's in one for Kmart I would stop at three but you would not believe it. They'd all run out of tissues The only thing that I was needing so I went to Kmart for I mean it's not like I have got COVID Craig Kelly's Facebook told me it's and see the shit I got onUnknown Speaker  26:02  boardUnknown Speaker  26:06  don't scan person left my mom on my trip to 4k MartinDan Ilic  26:39  beautiful stuff there from Gabby Bolden Beck show really good.Sami Shah  26:45  You know what's bizarre is how none of this ever revealing anything too surprising about people like everyone's trips in COVID in COVID tracking have been boring. It's never been someone who goes to a six story shop and then goes to the aquarium and then goesShalialah Medhora  27:00  except except question mark over the the borrow. I think it's borrowed. It's the one in Sydney where they found six people in one household to a spouse's three with children. And then there's this one mysterious one that no one's been able to answer. And that we all we all are like, throwing wild kind of suggestions like could be the second wife could be the mistress that lives in the hallway like no one actually knows. And they're refusing to answer what it is. So it's just like letting our imagination go crazy over what it could potentially be ProfessorDan Ilic  27:35  Plum with a petri dish.Ben van Beurden  27:38  That was a sex potty and colac at one point. I remember I remember thinking Skalak, least sexy plus, thinkUnknown Speaker  27:49  that's a matter for the Queensland Government. I mean, that's a matter for the cranium. That's a matter that I'll always with other premiers and ministers. That's really a question to the premium. That's a matter of I'm happy to take up with the other premiers and chief minister's irrational fears.Dan Ilic  28:02  The 2020s continued to be a bumper time for autocratic regimes after five years of democracy the military in Myanmar has had enough and despite designing a form of government where they still have veto control and and and guaranteed a quarter of the seats in parliament, they've decided that losing an election to the rolling National Democratic league who won over 80% of the vote was just a little too embarrassing. democratic nations all around the world express their dismay, the military coup, except, you know, one thing that China did say was they they called it a cabinet reshuffle, which I thought was interesting. Our next guest is a representative of the emerging minimizer young entrepreneur and a small business owner. We became friends with the Obama leadership Asia Pacific convening in 2019. murkier through Welcome to irrational fear.Unknown Speaker  28:51  Thank you.Dan Ilic  28:51  Mayor, tell us what is the what's the feeling like right now and where you are in Yangon.Unknown Speaker  28:57  So we all like stress and angry at the same time. We all feel better, we're not really afraid. Yeah. So it's all our dreams and future like, Oh, God, like it's crashed. So we lost?Dan Ilic  29:12  Is this something that you've kind of expected for some time? NotUnknown Speaker  29:17  really? Not overnight? So we'd wake up normally on Monday morning, and then all of a sudden like the military coupe took over the country and they found their own government.Dan Ilic  29:27  How did you find out and how did you react like what what were you doing at the time Take us through that moment.Unknown Speaker  29:32  So I got an email from my walk about the coop and and also learn by customer he told me about about the news. And people are like, oh, we're all bandings buying like they they they came to my shop. So a lot of people came and then they all like they don't really know what what do you do? Like we all like entertain? We like we Yeah, no emotion at that time. And now we all like angry. Yeah. it whatDan Ilic  29:58  what kind of am resist Can you do safely kind of given, given what's happened in COVID? Given how the regime is so autocratic? What kind of things can you do to kind of show resistance to this momentUnknown Speaker  30:10  as people walk in for their like government other like, stuff, they are sure, like civil disobedience. And also like every day at 8pm we are like, banging our pod to show the resistant against the military coup.Dan Ilic  30:24  That's great every day at 8pm I make a podcast so that's, that's, you know, we all do our own bit, I guess.Ben van Beurden  30:32  Man, it's it's wild, dude. What does it feel like now? Does it feel like there is a possibility for change for you? Or like, do you feel hopeless? What Where are you right now?Unknown Speaker  30:42  Oh, still a bit hopeless. But now, today, like the opposition party, they held their own they for their own government. So they had their their own Parliament? member we don't know what will happen. Like,Sami Shah  30:57  at this point of the has the new military government announced any, you know, any new rules and regulations in terms of censorship in terms of any of those things? Yeah,Unknown Speaker  31:07  yeah. Yeah. Starting from Monday, they tried to cut off all the internet and Facebook, and all the telephone lines were cut off. And that is it was restaurant. But today, like they announced the the issue and the notification to the light service provider to stop to do better Facebook. And also to try to block the VPN. So we are now using Facebook through the VPN, when they're trying to also like get off PBS. So they may also cut off at the Internet. SoDan Ilic  31:35  that's so interesting. Like, it must have been strange for the military to kind of get a grasp of that and kind of understand how to how to, in effect kind of stop communications pre because the internet is pretty new in me MRI, like it's like a the last five years. It's it's kind of just come in. And and the military previously didn't have to do too much to kind of shut down communications. But now, the internet is this tool that's everywhere. And it must be so strange for them to kind of shut it off.Unknown Speaker  32:04  Yeah, yeah. And also the they also like using the internet, right, like the military also using Facebook as a tool to to spread rumours and to do good for the country. So and so now people are migrating to Twitter. We are now using Facebook now. Really? That'sDan Ilic  32:22  so fascinating. So Facebook has become the malevolent tool of the military, I guess I guess Facebook's got a really chequered history, particularly with Rohingya population and stuff like that from from the last few years in Myanmar,Unknown Speaker  32:39  they use Facebook as the to, to like also to spread rumours. And also like the Rohingya conflict, what started like true also true Facebook, right? They spread false new style, like protesting and going against each other. Like,Dan Ilic  32:53  what kind of safeguards are there on Twitter versus Facebook? Do you know I don'tSami Shah  32:59  know, it's more about accessibility. I mean, so for example, in I remember in when, when the masculine Rangers had started, it was WhatsApp, not even Facebook, that was really the problem. And you know, are you seeing the kind of same stuff happening? My question, though, is, is this tatuajes? You know, loyalists? Are they the ones who are now bringing this stuff about, again, after all these years? Or is this a whole new group of Army people who have no connection with previous military hunters?Unknown Speaker  33:27  It's, it's not new, like people like they like successor right now. Yeah. So that, that maybe they maybe they may think that then the old military General, like, if he thinks he is too soft on the country, so are also like they they start to think that they have their ambitions also to solve the Civil War, like, within the country on the attempts. But you may not have been, really soShalialah Medhora  33:54  I was just gonna ask what you think the international community should be doing about this? I mean, I know Australia, occasionally weighs in to what, you know, what could potentially be issues in Myanmar, but doesn't really have too much of a skin in the game. What do you think countries like Australia should be doingUnknown Speaker  34:15  to spread more news about what they have them about the military government and do do maybe due to sanctions related businesses? Not essentially the whole country idea would not be really effective? And also to support maybe the if there's a Birla government to support the parolee government, right, do do kind of acknowledge that they're probably a government. The idea would be very, very important.Dan Ilic  34:41  Do you think the government you know, they're meeting currently outside and kind of an informal fashion? Do you think they are a safe Do you or do you think that we'll probably get arrested again,Unknown Speaker  34:51  that's not really safe, they are like nebuta wishes that capital is where the military is based. So Yeah, it may not be safe like,Ben van Beurden  35:03  and do you feel safe like a people like you, you know who I can directly connect to the government safe? Do you feel safer at the moment? No.Unknown Speaker  35:13  It's like going back to the past. Like, we don't know who is who. And yeah, we don't know like we have to take out ourselves because it's something even if something happened there's no one to do like safe asDan Ilic  35:27  you say you've lived in an autocratic regime. Yeah. Are you counting your time in Melbourne as autocratic under debt?Sami Shah  35:39  No, the what is funny was watching funny really, but like it was a weird kind of deja vu. When I saw the footage when they made the announcement of the military takeover in Burma in Myanmar. It was on the news over there, like a news anchor makes the announcement. And it was very much the same of what I saw, you know, growing up when Pervez Musharraf took over. And prior to that whenever we'd have like one military, one, one, you know, the government, the military stepped in and kicked out one to the Democratic Party and brought in another one or that it's always the state news that used to bring you that news. It's kind of bizarre to see that again. But also, what we're seeing is so true, that feeling in the first few days of no one knows what's going on. Because the people who put these plans into action discover very quickly that nothing goes according to plan. And then they scramble to make things fit either their plan or make up a new plan. So until they unveil what they actually want, who's in charge, how it will work out. You just hope for the best and it never works out for the best it's going to be military dictatorships aren't known for their kindness and their light touch and and their tolerance for dissent. So, you know, mingma has got a long road ahead of it. Unfortunately, it's a road it's been all before. Me, IDan Ilic  36:54  saw reports that as soon as the military took over, they started putting propaganda across broadcast television and radio, and things like that. When you heard that and saw that did you go Gee, this is really dated.Unknown Speaker  37:08  Yeah. It's like no, we're not Korea, right?Lewis Hobba  37:16  update your propaganda.Dan Ilic  37:17  Man. What's one thing that as waken to read, read regular Australians do to kind of support you. What's one thing that you know, people listening to this people on Twitter? What's one thing that we could do to help you?Unknown Speaker  37:31  I don't, I don't really know, what other people can do for us.Ben van Beurden  37:38  Other people that you follow at the moment on on Twitter or Facebook, or people who are getting out good information?Unknown Speaker  37:44  Oh, no, no, no, no, not really. But other people are like trying to post on like Facebook, or like, Rihanna recently tweeted about Nima. And we hold the other celebree will also follow and spread that awareness about what's happening inside the country. Yeah.Sami Shah  38:04  Yeah, at this point between Rihanna tweeting about Myanmar and then reactivating the form of protest in India. She's literally the only person on the international stage talking about things that need to be talked about. So more power to do that. As always, as always, weDan Ilic  38:18  need to get Shannon all on the case in Australia to tweet about me and her and the farmers.Unknown Speaker  38:28  It isn't fair.Lewis Hobba  38:29  I don't feel good about it. That IDan Ilic  38:31  know I back it I back off. Back a good pun. That was great. me Oh, thank you so much for joining us on rational v. I hope you stay safe. I hope you stay safe. And I hope your internet connection stays up so you can keep talking to the world about what's happening there.Unknown Speaker  38:45  Also, yeah, yeah,Dan Ilic  38:46  yeah. That is it for irrational fear. Big thanks to our guests. Lewis Ave. Semi Shah. shilada. dollar mirror through. Do you guys have anything to plug? shilada? Do you want to plug anything?Unknown Speaker  38:56  Not really. No,Shalialah Medhora  38:58  I can't I went for the IBC so probably shouldn'tDan Ilic  39:01  listen to hack on Triple J. You know, that's what you gotta do. Semi Shah, you. You got Melbourne Comedy Festival shows coming up.Sami Shah  39:09  I do indeed a comedy festival show coming up at the moment and fashion Comedy Festival starts in March on the 24th I believe. So buy tickets to that that's available. And also I have a Patreon. Much like everyone else on the planet right now. It's your only real source of income. So patreon.com slash Sangeetha.Dan Ilic  39:29  Mia, do you want to plug anything? Do you have a Patreon?Unknown Speaker  39:31  Or at least even though meet the international folks to to spread awareness and to do a stop the ability government from doing what they're doing. So we need your help.Dan Ilic  39:44  Yeah. And Louis, whatLewis Hobba  39:45  have you got to plug Daniel? Next Thursday in a week's time in Sydney. There is a wonderful show that if it were me I would be selling my firstborn for tickets for that is irrational fears. 100 episodes It's a it's got all the hits. It's got all the guests. It's got everything we mentioned at the start of the show. I'll be getting a free laptop from a member of the audience going on.Dan Ilic  40:12  All right, thank you very much and also a big thanks to Australia if you like my song All right, a big thanks to mill silver. Also Big thanks to rode bikes, the birther Foundation, our Patreon supporters, Jacob roundup and tepanyaki timeline Gaby Bolton Beck show for their for came out in one day, and all the folks in the discord channel Today it was popping today. It was energetic. It was interesting was smart. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of, which is our 11th 11th sorry, our 100th episode, live show. Get your tickets. There's only 20 or so left. Good night.Unknown Speaker  40:48  Thanks, everyone. Hi, everyone. Oh god.Unknown Speaker  40:51  I'm Elsa. A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. 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Featuring some new and old friends of A Rational Fear.Alice Fraser (The Bugle, The Last Post)Sami Shah (ABC Melbourne)Chris Taylor (Chaser)Gabbi Bolt (TikTok)DJ Tom Loud (Hot Dub Time Machine)Lewis Hobba (Tony Martin Look-a-like)Dan Ilic (Romper Room)+  Special (big name) guests we will book at the last minute.WHERE?: Giant DwarfWHEN?: February 10th, 7:30pm-9pmHOW?: Buy Tickets HerePATREON 💸:It costs a bit of money to make each episode of A Rational Fear — . If you enjoy our podcast, funny emails and important climate change conversations chip in here like a good sovereign citizen. We want to raise enough money we can start to make a video a month. 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You're doing it I believe. I hope Great.Lewis Hobba  0:45  Thank you again, I love to I love to hear what I'm doing on the internet.Dan Ilic  0:49  Also, DJ Tom loud is playing the show aka hot dog Time Machine. Chris Taylor is joining us and I've got a I've got a hint of a special guest. Who will I've been trading emails with Louis to see if they would also do the show. I'll give you give. I'll give you a hint. When ILewis Hobba  1:05  already know they use emails.Dan Ilic  1:10  He's recently moved to Sydney.Lewis Hobba  1:13  Matt Damon, no, no,Dan Ilic  1:15  there's no Matt Damon. It's not Sacha Baron Cohen. But he does facilitate people putting toys together on television.Lewis Hobba  1:22  Oh, interesting. Interesting.Dan Ilic  1:25  He is your professional competitor. Sometimes. I mean, let's be honest. Sometime again.Lewis Hobba  1:30  I are not competitors. He is so much more successful than me. I would be surprised if he was aware that we are competitive.Dan Ilic  1:37  There we go. So February 10. Giant wolf in Sydney. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the urination sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's start the show.Unknown Speaker  1:49  A rational fear contains naughty words like bricks can rubUnknown Speaker  1:56  and gumUnknown Speaker  1:57  and section 40 of irrational fear recommended listening by immature audience.Dan Ilic  2:03  Tonight Scott Morrison scolds cricket Australia for acknowledging indigenous genocide by saying isn't changing one word in the anthem enough, and while Steve Bannon was pardoned by Donald Trump, only one of his seven shirts will be loud out of prison. And Kamala Harris becomes the 47th president of America on Oh, sorry, false alarm. I read that wrong. It's still riding. It's the 22nd of January a new day has dawned in America. This is irrational fear.Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former owner operator of the greater wynwood exotic animal Park Dan Ilic. Joining us to hold our hands through the toughest of stories this week is an American expat who refuses to acknowledge that the Trump administration ever happened. You may have heard him on TGI F. It's Tommy Jane, can I tell me Hello to you. As an American How you feeling today?Tommy Dean  3:07  I'm feeling relieved. I'm feeling like we're moving forward to borrow an Australian phrase which we should borrow more of. Like a time for unity is here but i think i think that only because Joe Biden said unity so many times it's on my mind.Dan Ilic  3:25  And she's on a quest to meet the king of spin so far, buying out a billboard and having a hit track with collabs from flume and j flip isn't getting his attention. Who knows it's listening to French fries. Listen to what will be enough to get Shane one's attention.Froomes (Lucinda Price)  3:39  Um, well, I got it last night he started following me.Dan Ilic  3:42  This is this is breaking news here irrational fear.Froomes (Lucinda Price)  3:47  It took me five years, five years of messaging back and forth but now he will be my husband.Dan Ilic  3:54  And finally is a man with legs that just won't quit. It'sUnknown Speaker  4:02  I you know,Lewis Hobba  4:03  it's summer. Obviously if you listen to this podcast in six months, it's American Summer. It's always summer somewhere baby. But one thing I wear shorts you know? That's Call me crazy man.Dan Ilic  4:15  If you follow if you follow Louis on Instagram, you got some great solid takes ahead of you.Lewis Hobba  4:20  Thank you so yeah, get him get involved, please. I don't Shane Walters and following me. You know, I will say that every every time I wear shorts, someone asked me if I'm just gone for a run and it's because I have it's because my dumb legs so skinny. All right.Unknown Speaker  4:35  I thought it wasLewis Hobba  4:37  always joking. That's just because armie hammer and I have friends.Dan Ilic  4:45  Coming up later in the podcast, I have a chat with us basis train reporter Brad blanks from his washington dc hotel where he was Oh, so close to the Joe Biden inauguration. You could hear his pacemaker. But first a message from this week's sponsorUnknown Speaker  4:59  as spreaders of misinformation are banned from social media. There's only one man you can turn to for reliable untruths. Craig Kelly thereUnknown Speaker  5:08  has been complete abandonment.Unknown Speaker  5:11  The most trusted man in lies is backing up every ill conceived social media post and every awful conspiracy to his own website, Craig anon.com. For just $1 a week, you can get all the posts that Craig Kelly will soon be banned from posting publicly at Craig anon.com where he'll be posting anonymously under the nom de plume Craig Kelly in pay but how will you know it's Craig posts will be on hinge to be spilt and recycled from his Sky News rants.Unknown Speaker  5:42  If you look at the peer reviewed numbers of pestilence and play, the seven seas are gonna sort of boil and riseUnknown Speaker  5:49  because there's only one thing better than free speech. And that speech so free it's untethered to reality sign off to kraken.com because the cost of free speech should be $1. A week on proceeds will go towards Craig Kelly senate run in 2021. So it can be a Craig upon both your houses. Yes.Dan Ilic  6:05  All right. Let's get stuck into the first fear is the Australian Open tennis tournament or a reeducation camp? tennis players are some of the world's most privileged individuals and yet, because a few of them just brought a little bit of Coronavirus into the country with them. They've gone and got their balls in a knot feed mungus should they be complaining about being stuck in quarantine? Tommy Dane.Tommy Dean  6:27  Yes, yes, yes, they should. Why would we know they are there. But a lot of us overlook about the professional tennis player is they only exist four times a year.Dan Ilic  6:43  That's the Australian Open, Wimbledon, the US Open. AndTommy Dean  6:48  sometimes the French Open a few of them appear for that. But that's you know, played into some sort of weird surface that not everyone likes.Lewis Hobba  6:56  I love the arrogance of Australians to be like you should be lucky to be here. It's like they all live in Monaco for tax purposes. It's delightful. They're not lucky to be here. We want to be here because we have nothing else to do except watch tennis.Dan Ilic  7:11  Novak Djokovic wrote a list of demands that he brainstormed with a bunch of other players including move as many players as possible to a private house with a tennis court to facilitate training. I don't know in Melbourne all those houses are interact which was ground zero for Coronavirus. That's never gonna happen. I have an idea. What's that? Friends?Unknown Speaker  7:31  Put them in the Big Brother house.Lewis Hobba  7:35  That's interesting. Now the Gold Coast open.Tommy Dean  7:39  I'm a celebrity Get me out of here. Australian Open version? Yeah, I think it would be ideal because some of the stuff that they eat for training, it would not be something a real human would want to consume. So I think it'd be a lot of fun to watchDan Ilic  7:51  it is getting it he's getting to that point, though. You know, some of the players have taken their protest one step further than posted photos of themselves, holding up signs against their hotel windows saying stuff like I need practice, which kind of echoes similar signs that detained asylum seekers in Melbourne have been holding up against their windows for the last 14 months. kazakstan Yulia putintseva even held up a sign reminiscent of the BLM protests, which said I need to breathe fresh air. I'll tell you what, if I was an asylum seeker, I'd be holding up a sign against my window saying we'll play tennis for freedom. Famous is this kind of behaviour. Okay.Lewis Hobba  8:27  Well, Australia has a proud history of skipping the cue if you're handy at sport. Like Wait, you know, it goes a long way backDan Ilic  8:36  to whenLewis Hobba  8:37  we I mean, we've had a there was the entire dockage family. Remember the dockage family it was they were pretty handy at tennis, and dimeo dockage was there though, just like skipped him through. And then we had the Tatiana Grigoryeva she I'm sorry, IDan Ilic  8:52  did theatre 1000 silver at the Sydney Olympics and pole vaulting?Lewis Hobba  8:57  Yeah, I mean, this is a hunger game suggestion but it doesn't feel out of the pocket for Peter Dutton to just say, every refugee competes in some sort of scratch match. We find out what they're good at suddenly isDan Ilic  9:11  tell me Dan, you You came here on a sports bridging visa? What sport did you do?Tommy Dean  9:16  Oh, there's so many that was the thing at the time was i was i was a heptathlete. I could just do a little bit of everything. Now the secret with pentathlon is another choice. The decathlon just be kind of good at a lot of stuff. No need to stand out and you get to travel the world as an elite sport. I think the mistake tennis players have made is they totally focused on a single elimination sport. I can understand why a lot of that not so good. Players are deeply upset. They've had to stay here for 14 days, which is like 10 days longer than most of them have to stay here. During the actual tournament. They show up play a match pick up a check,Lewis Hobba  9:55  go home that full quote from Dan Andrews as well when he told Novak Djokovic that he wouldn't be Giving into his list of demands the sentence he said before it was people are free to send a list of demands But no, but as soon as I heard that I was like wait, what? Wait, wait is allowed to send Daniel enters that demands. Oh my god. This is like better than Christmas. I'll put it full Dear Santa a million dollars.Dan Ilic  10:18  I don't know if you saw this, but sports bit had put out a list of demands that know that Jovovich was going to put up next on it include karaoke and smoke machines for all the players rooms. Permission to play at any Melbourne karaoke bar. This one had quite long odds Bruce Mac have a need to join the channel nine's is truly an open coverage. But the longest one was $67. It was a slab of a bay and I thought that was pretty accurate. That was gonna be a bay.Tommy Dean  10:45  I think a lot of them are just asking for what they would have expected to get at tournament you know, fresh towels at every change. That's easy. Violet brakes. Yeah, a couple of kids in the corner to pick the balls up for them. That's what their mission is to doesn't miss a couple of kids chasing your balls down for you.Dan Ilic  11:06  Hey, Becca, my dad was calling room service.Lewis Hobba  11:10  I I've been trying to think about how to solve this because I love watching the tennis. I'm not a huge tennis fan. I'm an Australian tennis fan. I care for a month a year. But I do think that we do need to come up with some sort of solution for international sport. We've got the Olympics in Tokyo coming up later on this year as well we need to come up with some sort of solution for that. And I think it should just be cruise ships like we got an old they've got tennis courts. We move all the players onto the cruise ship. TV crew trainers family, only fans girlfriends, weUnknown Speaker  11:41  move them on the cruise shipLewis Hobba  11:43  and then it just sails from port to port and we can just watch from baking just pull up the Australian Open on the Ruby princess and then it's in I can pull in the US at the harbour in the US and just travel around.Froomes (Lucinda Price)  11:56  Do you could like be put into the semifinals if you're the most popular on tik tok.Unknown Speaker  12:03  Everyone is doingUnknown Speaker  12:06  amazing.Tommy Dean  12:07  There's no reason that in the world that we're moving towards we should prize honesty. There's no reason that we even have to get all together in Tokyo for the Olympics. Why not just let everyone run the event on their home track and tell us what their time wasDan Ilic  12:27  100 metres in four seconds the baby guys sorry, well record again. A lot of records this Olympia Thank you.Tommy Dean  12:37  Lots of records no drugs.Unknown Speaker  12:43  Tomic schoolfriend comply,Unknown Speaker  12:45  this is the worst part of quarantine.Unknown Speaker  12:47  I don't wash my own hair.Unknown Speaker  12:49  I've never washed bone hair. It's just not something that I doUnknown Speaker  12:53  a rational fear.Dan Ilic  12:55  This week second fear collectively the world sphincter has loosened as the peaceful passing of the USA nuclear codes went from Trump to Biden. The inauguration was a star studded affair with appearances from stars like Tom Hanks jello took to the stage to perform the 1999 hit. Let's get loud intro and outro by four minutes of this land is your land. And in a sign of unity Garth Brooks. So why first of all country singers sang the African American spiritual, Amazing Grace. It was a nice touch even if halfway through. He encouraged everyone around him at the inauguration sing along to forgetting for a moment that there was a global pandemic. You know, I was in shock not because of the request to sing, but I totally forgot that before 2016 there were celebrities other than Scott Baier. And Kid Rock I live in Alabama. Now, did you folks watch any of the inaugurations? What are your thoughts?Lewis Hobba  13:48  Yeah, I dabbled. For me it could have used a bit more three doors down. Trump had it maybe they had all the big games, three doors down. I actually googled during the inauguration, that trot who played at Trump's rally because I remembered everyone who said no, yeah, but I didn't remember who had said yes, I remembered three doors down. But there was this guy who played the Trump inauguration, who you should go and look up. His name is DJ Ravi drums. And essentially, he is like the Timmy trumpet of the drum. For the TV trumpet fans, he's a DJ who plays the trumpet. Right? And he's Australian guy. Hugely, very rich, but quite odd. And I mean, musically. And DJ Ravi drums is that he DJs and plays the drum kit. And, and people like, first of all, how did you Where were you on the list? Who are they asking that? DJ Ravi drums is playing. We're at a point where like, like Joe, God actually actually got Bruce Springsteen. Trump got rejected by a Bruce Springsteen cover band. That is a true story. Like that's where we went and he's like, the first generation immigrant and everyone's like, what are you doing? Like this guy hates immigrants. He's just like, My dad's sick and this is the last chance I'll get to perform at inauguration in front of before my dad everyone's like, all right, Robbie drums, your eyes good enough. They're inTommy Dean  15:10  the USA Freedom kids. toddlers dance troupe who eventually had to sue Donald Trump's campaign to get paid for the gig. That's right. Yeah,Dan Ilic  15:21  that's right. Well, it was a very different thing two weeks prior. We all know the story as the Capitol Building was taken over by some enthusiastic World of Warcraft cosplayers. Unfortunately, for people didn't respond. It was very sad. To me, you have a family in America, how conservative are they? And how are they managing this moment in time?Tommy Dean  15:42  They're very conservative. They are. They're all the conservatives. They're NRA, they are Republican. They are Christian, right. It's trifecta of why I live in Australia. Very much very conservative, but they're also reasonable people, you know, so it's been kind of interesting. They've always loved Donald Trump. He's always been their president. They love the Republican Party. And at every misstep, as we would call it, they just saw it as an educational moment. We'll learn from that. That was my favourite. That's what make the most I've ever heard my mom say that since I was a kid.Dan Ilic  16:19  We'll learn from that. Oh, he'll learn he'll learn from that. Oh my god.Tommy Dean  16:22  How do you feel about your guy pay it off? A professional porn star?Dan Ilic  16:27  Oh, he'll he didn't know that you didn't obviously learn anything.Unknown Speaker  16:33  That's crazy.Dan Ilic  16:34  It's kind of interesting. I read I read a Reuters article today in kind of preparing for the show and a part of a whole bunch of telegram channels on the app telegram where Q anon supporters are going What the hell happened? What happened to the grand plan? Well, hang on just q not exists at all What's going on? This is gonna be very disappointing for those people to come back to reality.Lewis Hobba  16:56  Well, the guy who has been like the main queue and on a distributor like kind of people suspect he is cube but never confirmed. He sent everyone home. He his he did his post today was guys, essentially what the message was, it's over. Forget this. But the real like the real genuine friends who made along the way essentially.Tommy Dean  17:23  I've seen posts from some of my crazy friends that have been like queue oriented, who are saying the same thing. Look, I'm a little disturbed to work out this might have been a hoax. But I'm sticking to the fact that I researched for myself. I learned a lot of stuff about me. Sure. Flat earthers are idiots butDan Ilic  17:44  we had a we had a reason. Firms you spent a lot of time on the internet Have you come across many q anon supporters who kind of in your worldUnknown Speaker  17:53  knowTommy Dean  17:57  yourself bubbled you live in. Round Rock. question is how do I accidentally stumble into pitch?Lewis Hobba  18:06  I mean, I'd like to find out that Shane Warren was a secret.Dan Ilic  18:13  Now that the Trump administration is over focus for the former president turns to building the Presidential Library rooms have it It could be the first presidential library with a drive thru. Given that Trump has never visited a library fear mongers. What will the Donald Trump library look like firms? What do you reckon?Froomes (Lucinda Price)  18:30  Why can McDonald's said that he could make a mega McDonald's store? It would actually be amazing. I think kids would want to go to the Trump Museum, which would be great for America.Lewis Hobba  18:43  It would be amazing if it was like a full drive thru and you just ordered, you know, it was like, I'll have an out of the deal meal. I think that'd be great.Dan Ilic  18:55  So someone on Twitter sent me a reply to my drive thru dragon. He said yes. And you can order a magazine. I thought that was that was very good. That was very well done. Well done. Right before Biden was sworn in to systematically dismantled Donald Trump's legacy. Trump's landed in Palm Beach, Florida, and just moments after landing milania Trump left Donald on the tarmac so that Donald could wave to the cameras all by himself, which had people on social media wondering is it finally over? As in? Is their marriage finally over thromes Is it over between Donald and Melania?Unknown Speaker  19:31  Yes,Froomes (Lucinda Price)  19:32  I think it'd be it's so interesting because now that the stakes aren't as high like we can really enjoy the milania like lifestyle like hopefully she can open up a bit more and let us in because she's so mysterious and Interesting.Lewis Hobba  19:46  Interesting.Tommy Dean  19:50  I want desperately to wish that some there's some amazing story about how she got trapped in the Trump reverse.Froomes (Lucinda Price)  19:58  There is there isn't a amazing story and she's going to tell us one day.Tommy Dean  20:02  I sure hope so. Cuz right now I still have my money riding on she is a terrible person toDan Ilic  20:10  coming up at the end of the podcast we reveal what Donald Trump wrote in a letter to Joe Biden as he took over the Oval Office.Unknown Speaker  20:19  Exotic aka Tiger things could get a presidential pardon. annoyed this one Trump loyalists, I'll be pissed if that dipshit does make the President's list of pardons. they seize a rational here. It hasDan Ilic  20:32  been a big event in America in the last 20 years, there's been one man on the ground, covering it just like a journalist, but I hasten to add he probably wouldn't count himself as a journalist. He is a rollicking, roving reporter, I guess is probably the best way to do it. He's one of my best mates. His name is Brad blanks. He is on the ground in Washington, DC. He was there for you know, for the inauguration. Brad, welcome to irrational fear. How you feeling on the first on the first day of a Biden presidency?Brad Blanks  21:01  It's an honour to be on your podcast, right? Well, yeah, amazing. And you're correct. I am not a journalist. Like into the middle of the night. Yes, I am rollicking. I, I have to report something. It might not be of the highest IQ or intellect or academia, academia, but I will attempt to talk to those people and try to spin what I've learned from them to people that somehow try to understand me.Dan Ilic  21:28  I was thinking about this this morning, Brad, before I spoke to you, I was thinking, geez, you know, if you actually took all of Brad's work, and you had a look at every single thing he's ever made, it actually is an incredible slice of American and American history. Like over two decades, you've been on the ground at some of the biggest events in America. And you do get to the heart of the story in a roundabout way.Brad Blanks  21:54  Yes, and this one is proven very difficult. This is the heart of this story, which is essentially an inauguration where no one could get in and despair for for for the real life journalists that actually have to get a story. I'm gonna just go on the radio saying, There's men with soldiers, and I'm not walking past them right corners. I'm scared I I could do that. Get away with that. But what about the, you know, the Argentinian American correspondent that needs something. And they actually standing in the same spots as me at these locations around Washington DC, where there's really no story soDan Ilic  22:32  it must be strange. If there's no one out and about probably if you're local in DC, and you're just walking by the mall, you must have gotten harangued by 1000 recorders, to say how you're feeling like by the time it gets to you, you'd be like, it'd be like the SAG Awards, Brad blanks at the end of the line to the SAG Awards. Celebrities don't want to talk to you anymore. LikeUnknown Speaker  22:49  No, I've had enoughDan Ilic  22:52  for talking to reporters for the night. I'm just trying to get some milk and bread.Brad Blanks  22:57  cocker spaniels just been smashed by reporters from all over the world. He's like, Oh, my goodness.Dan Ilic  23:03  What is it feeling like? What does it feel like in in about in America to start off with and then how did it feel this morning? inauguration?Brad Blanks  23:12  Yeah, it's, it's interesting, cuz, you know, I feel better. You know, we in some sort of weird way, like, here's the thing with Trump, you always stopped when Trump was on TV on a Trump speech, and especially during COVID when he was actually carrying on television every day. It was incredible viewing from, and it was hard to because you're watching it with, you know, a comedic take or going, Oh, this is gonna be funny. And then you're realising, oh, my goodness, this is the president. This is quite serious. This is crazy what he's saying. So there's Yeah, you've had to balance yourself. And that's not very good to look at life through a lens where you're quite light hearted, and you're looking at a President speak and then you realise, oh, no, this is this is this is really shitty, what's going on? It's so so that's, that's good that that stress is off my brain.Dan Ilic  23:58  Right? You're so right. It's just a dud dilemma, because Trump is a really entertaining but be terrifying in every single policy decision.Brad Blanks  24:06  That's right. Yeah. And and so now we wake up and violence Yo, a lovely, sweet man. And, you know, when he does an Irish poem, it actually warms the inside of my heart, and I'm not a big whiskey drinker. But when he does an Irish poetry, I want to drink whiskey. He is that kind of guy. But I don't know how many long speeches Am I going to watch of his compared to lining up to watch Trump so in some ways, there's a pressure off and it'd be interesting to talk to like light night TV hosts, comedy writers in that field of how they how their careers to hell look for the next four years what Stephen Colbert going to do.Dan Ilic  24:43  I'm pretty sure Stephen Colbert won't be bereft of jokes. I think there's plenty of humour to go What does what does DC feel like right now?Brad Blanks  24:54  Yeah, so I did by I watched inauguration. It was 12 noon. You know, American East In seaboard time, I finished I went out onto the street for one more walk around, there was maybe 30 extra people on the street. And this is the one street that runs parallel to the Washington mall. And let's say about 600 700 metres away from the mall away from the White House away from the Washington Monument. And there are people out there walking around having fun playing some music, but no fanfare really not like um, it's hard to compare to like the Obama inauguration in 2008, which I will 2009 January that I went to which was 2 million people and it was just madness, you know, and fun and, and then I went to the bill clinton inauguration in 97. January and that was an absolute free for all where I was partying with death, Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders until three in the morning I like like a young backpacker, go and God bless America. So this experiences is a lot more quiet. And as I said, I walked down the street that's parallel to the mall, closest to you the White House and you know, 3040 people, more people than there were thereDan Ilic  26:10  last night. I imagine if people were allowed to go to the inauguration you would be partying with the Golden Girls because of job.Brad Blanks  26:17  That's right. And you'd be socially distant. You're hugging Yeah, and you know, fake hugging so yeah. A very weird experience to be a reporter behind steel fences and barricades SoDan Ilic  26:33  did you get anything for your new york radio hit at all did you get Did you get any good? Any good content?Brad Blanks  26:42  I've actually had a very fulfilling reporting experience like why Why? I think Tony up there no way I'll give you I'll give you the why. stuck in a bedroom doing radio reports for nine months. reporting on COVID when I've been stuck in a bedroom out the end of Long Island. I really don't know. People would call me and I have to do radio reports on how New York City's feeling and I'm like, What the hell am I gonna say Audrey got my mic. cosy. who's living in the city? Well, how the hell do I know I'm sitting in my room? I haven't left I go out to get groceries. This isDan Ilic  27:15  out of touch with a common man Brad you out in the Hamptons, India. banca people from all over Australia calling you to want to know what's going on is thatBrad Blanks  27:30  cow Stephen Ivica today's show or sunrises told all my mates in Australia but they seem to have Australia America burning and coming out into the real world. And it's actually not bad. The traffic's really heavy. That seems to be a lot of commerce. It's just at the Washington DC straight to shut down and there were no insurrectionists anywhere and other than just, you know, it was just it just looked like a basing cabal or Baghdad. It seems America is on the right track, thenDan Ilic  28:02  you watch the inauguration closely. How did you feel about his speech?Brad Blanks  28:06  Yeah,Unknown Speaker  28:07  great. Fine,Brad Blanks  28:08  you know, hit all the right marks. You know, I think he's speakings got better, which is interesting, you know, as a guy that's aged to the last year and he's, you know, where they say he ran, he's, he's home, he ran for president from his basement. And he's out and getting a bit of sunshine. He sounds great.Dan Ilic  28:27  I think they've increased the font size on the autocue.Brad Blanks  28:32  He stumbled a few times, I noticed that he repeated a couple of sentences that I'm like, Oh, poor guy, butDan Ilic  28:37  you we forget that he's a dyslexic rock. He's you know, he's actually dyslexic. We kind of forget this.Unknown Speaker  28:43  That's right.Brad Blanks  28:45  He was good. And he was one of the people that were like our G's are putting up a year ago. The Democrats are putting up a 77 year old against Trump. This is gonna be it. What are you doing? What are you doing? He just kept winning a lot along the you know, along the trail and, and now he's president and I'm, I've warmed to him. I mean, I feel good with the big guy and he's fun and cheerful and likes a joke. And now, anyway, not that. I don't vote but I thought I'd vote for him cuz he likes a joke. Yeah, it seems like a good man.Dan Ilic  29:20  Yeah, he loves it. He loves a good smell of a woman's hair just like any other man. Well, Brad, now that Trump is gone, there's probably more hope that I will absolutely be allowed to return to America. So I have to visit you and soBrad Blanks  29:35  will you. Please write out your secret service photo of you somewhere?Dan Ilic  29:39  And I have no doubt I have no.Brad Blanks  29:45  Morrison handling you? Yeah, Prime Minister Morrison is he? Does he like you? Oh, he doesn't care.Dan Ilic  29:49  He doesn't care about NATO. Brad Brad. Nobody cares about me. I'm just a little fella with my little podcast. Yeah,Brad Blanks  29:57  you're the most winningest podcast in History. That's right.Dan Ilic  30:01  You don't win Best Comedy podcast. Right. Here's the trophy. You know, just like Scott Morrison, I've got a trophy on my desk.Brad Blanks  30:11  That makes me so proud. I can always say that you brought the best out in me when I was at the porno award.Dan Ilic  30:19  Yesterday, there was, you know, I was thinking that that trip we did in 2008 was eight there was an incredible trip all over America. And you made some funny stuff.Brad Blanks  30:30  Yeah, it was guy. Well, you you inspire me That was good. I mean, I think I got profusely ill the night of the porn awards. Were in the press room and I got sick there. I don't know what happened. Maybe I'm not as kinky as I thought I was.Dan Ilic  30:44  Maybe picked up an STD from the expo floor.Brad Blanks  30:48  That expo floor. Oh, my goodness. It's like, you know, the Royal Sydney show, isn't it?Dan Ilic  30:54  If you want to see Brad, on the floor in Las Vegas, at the porno award, something a video that I directed and produced with him. I'll add the link in the show notes. So you can check that out Brad blanks. Thank you so much for spending some of your evening with us. Thanks, Dad. WhatBrad Blanks  31:09  is it for? democracy, Dan, democracyDan Ilic  31:11  have a safe drive back to New York City. Yeah, thanks, myBrad Blanks  31:14  good man. Brad blanks. They'reDan Ilic  31:17  coming to us from his own hotel room in Washington DC.Lewis Hobba  31:20  It's interesting that the know the focus, the fact that journalists are so used to having a constant churn of insanity to report on. And now suddenly, like, everyone's wired, everyone's like, match fit for insanity, and there's no insanity to play. And I really wonder where that energy is going to go. Like, for me, if I was a world leader, I would be nervous, because for the last four years, you could shit on a stall in the middle of Parliament. And it would not be the craziest story of the day. Like you could do almost anything and get away with it. Whereas now, like I saw today that Scott like Scott Morrison opened his mouth. And I don't know if you guys saw this about talking about the 12 ships that arrived in Australia, and the day that Australia Day and whether or not it should be celebrated. And he is out his argument was, it wasn't to flash for the guys on the ships either was his was more or less his quote. And like a week ago, mid insurrection, that might not have hit the news. But today, all of a sudden, you're like, Oh, that's that's the stupidest fucking thing that I'm gonna hear today. All of a sudden, the dumbest man in the room is you you've got to like keep your shit together. Now,Dan Ilic  32:35  after we've lived through this moment. It's kind of like, I'm thinking about Scott Morrison is Hey, what's the premises to is this was his This is what's going on. It'sLewis Hobba  32:44  it's always so low for four years that you had to do nothing to jump over it. Now, we could be the lowest barDan Ilic  32:51  or right now in America, everybody's trying out crazy each other to kind of play to the Trump base so they can consolidate the base around themselves. I don't know if you're saying like what Ted Cruz is saying is awful. And what Mike Pompeo is saying is awful. All these folks are trying to kind of position themselves to be the 2024 kind of new Trump. And so they're trying to out crazy Trump in order for those Trump people to kind of attach themselves to them. So that's kind of the kind of the really annoying thing right now is that Trump is gone. But now there's 10 more Trump's because there's his base that is ready to vote for them.Lewis Hobba  33:28  It's a babushka doll.Unknown Speaker  33:31  And Trump,Tommy Dean  33:33  sort of stupid Hydra. Yeah, but I'm also I do have this little bit of hope in me that, you know, one day, we will come together because of a group of Trump supporters will be coming down the aisle, and another Trump supporter group is coming down the aisle. And they're both I sort of extended each side of crazy. And they're going to be wanting to talk about how awful The world is. And then together as two disparate groups, they will suddenly discover as one, that T shirts are still unbelievably cheap at Walmart. And they'll be so happy and they'll all buy a new t shirt that says America. It's kind of okay.Dan Ilic  34:11  Yeah, thank God for globalism.Tommy Dean  34:13  I have to go back to make it great again. It's always been kind. Okay. Yeah. We have to show I think it was never terrible. even talk of it being in ruin now is oversold. It's always been kind. Okay.Dan Ilic  34:27  I think 2021 that's all you can ask for. You can ask for it. To be kind of okay.Tommy Dean  34:33  Kind of, okay.Unknown Speaker  34:35  Australia Day, it's all about acknowledging how far we've come when those 12 ships turned up in Sydney, all those years ago. It wasn't a particularly pleasant day, but the people on some on those days was either irrational fearDan Ilic  34:48  and that's it for rational fi A big thank you to tell me Dane listen to friends price and Louis haba. Do you folks have anything to plug Tommy's gonna plug anythingTommy Dean  34:56  I'm going to be showing OkayDan Ilic  35:03  friends do you have anything to plug? UmFroomes (Lucinda Price)  35:05  Yes I have my flats ladies remix of my song for him so the song that's going to come out next weekUnknown Speaker  35:11  well Excuse me.Unknown Speaker  35:12  Here's where you mixing it. facilityFroomes (Lucinda Price)  35:17  is coming out next week and then wait for the album drop at least byUnknown Speaker  35:22  August.Dan Ilic  35:22  This is a prank gone too far forUnknown Speaker  35:27  the whole time.Lewis Hobba  35:29  I can't wait for the invitation to the wedding.Dan Ilic  35:33  Louis Do you have any Do you have any shows coming up maybeLewis Hobba  35:36  one in February that you want to fly just I just found out about a really great show. A 100th episode of rational fi in February giant dwarf theatre you'd be mad to miss it. incredible lineup of guests, including the much better me Hamish Blake.Dan Ilic  35:53  But perhaps we haven't sold just waiting for him so I can announce it. But he said 10 selected so I'm taking that as as as locked in as locked in as a good piece of Lego.Lewis Hobba  36:03  I mean, that's specifically not what pencilled in aDan Ilic  36:08  big thanks to rode mics, the birther Foundation, our wonderful Patreon supporters with whom we cannot do this. By the way, if you are a Patreon supporter, you get discounts to the live show. So make sure you head along. Look at patreon getting a discount code plug that in. Now I'm going to leave a big thank you also to Jacob Brown, Virginia gay Rupert Degas killing David David bluestein. Our discord jockeys COVID kisah p McNeil ads pay to Lola and Miss Maddie pay will leave you with this. As is tradition. Most presidents leave each other a little handout or note wishing the incoming president Well, we've actually managed to get a copy of Donald's letter that he gave to Joe Biden, here it is.Unknown Speaker  36:47  Dear Joe, as your senile I will write this letter slowly. As I leave the White House with my wife and her look alikes. I reflect on my time here as a career highlight of their with when I play the successful hotel owner in home alone to last in New York, even though you had the highest amount of votes in US history. I had the second highest and second is better than first, just just two is higher than one. That's just a fact. So with that in mind, congratulations on pulling off a hoax election and undermining the country. I dos by red cap your way. And I've chosen to write this letter in my finest grant. You have ruined democracy in ways I could only dream and I usually only dream of the hamburger. But as a chick with big Tata. It has been an honour being the president of a country that would allow me to be president. Sincerely, Donald J. Trump. PS Follow me on parner PPS, actually, don't follow me onDan Ilic  37:54  that. Thank you. That was the wonderful Rupert Degas written by Kelly and David and produced step by Jacob round. That was very good. Thanks, everyone. That's it. Love it.Unknown Speaker  38:03  Thanks, man.Unknown Speaker  38:04  We'll see you next time. A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/ 100th EPISODE LIVE SHOW ANNOUNCEMENT!🎟️ COME SEE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE. Feb 10th, Giant Dwarf, Sydney:https://giantdwarf.com.au/events/a-rational-fear-100/On this holiday episode of A Rational Fear, Dan Ilic and voiceover artist, mega-talent, Rupert Degas, take you through a year in A Rational Fear sketches. It turns out putting all the sketches back to back is a great way to recap 2020.Hope you enjoy it — as we say around here: Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays,  and defund the IPA.Dan AND — DON'T FORGET TO GET TICKETS TO OUR LIVE SHOW!We're turning 100! Which means we're updating our will, and we'll add you to it if you come to our 100th episode live show. It's going to be a 90 minute celebration of the little satirical comedy podcast that could. Featuring some new and old friends of A Rational Fear.Alice Fraser (The Bugle, The Last Post)Sami Shah (ABC Melbourne)Gabbi Bolt (TikTok)Lewis Hobba (Tony Martin Look-a-like)Dan Ilic (Romper Room)+ 2-3 Special (big name) guests we will book at the last minute.WHERE?: Giant DwarfWHEN?: February 10th, 7:30pm-9pmHOW?: Buy Tickets HereWHY?: Best to buy a ticket first, and answer this question later.PATREON 💸:It costs a bit of money to make each episode of A Rational Fear — . If you enjoy our podcast, funny emails and important climate change conversations chip in here like a good sovereign citizen. We want to raise enough money we can start to make a video a month. If you believe in the work we're doing chip in — www.patreon.com/arationalfearThanks to:Big thanks to The Bertha Foundation, our Patreon Supporters and RODE Mics. Jacob Round.A Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

🤑 CHIP IN TO OUR PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFear📨 SUBSCRIBE TO OUR EMAIL LIST: http://www.arationalfear.com/ 100th EPISODE LIVE SHOW ANNOUNCEMENT!🎟️ COME SEE A RATIONAL FEAR LIVE. Feb 10th, Giant Dwarf, Sydney:https://giantdwarf.com.au/events/a-rational-fear-100/ SHOW NOTESHere is the latest Greatest Moral Podcast of Our Generation featuring two great brains to help you deal with talking about climate change with your family at Christmas, Sarah Wilson and Dr. Rebecca Huntley. If you think there's even the slightest chance you'll have to talk about emissions reduction schemes with an uncle that listens only to 2GB, or feel like you may have to tell a cousin that “baseload power” isn't a thing, or tell your sister in law that a “gas led recovery” isn't going to make electricity cheaper, then this is the podcast you'll want to listen to.Both Sarah and Rebecca give great insights into how to talk to people about climate change, and you on turn can take action yourself.Also in this podcast Linh Do and I rip into the month of climate news, and there is a lot of it.AND — DON'T FORGET TO GET TICKETS TO OUR LIVE SHOW!We're turning 100! Which means we're updating our will, and we'll add you to it if you come to our 100th episode live show. It's going to be a 90 minute celebration of the little satirical comedy podcast that could. Featuring some new and old friends of A Rational Fear.Alice Fraser (The Bugle, The Last Post)Sami Shah (ABC Melbourne)Gabbi Bolt (TikTok)Lewis Hobba (Tony Martin Look-a-like)Dan Ilic (Romper Room)+ 2-3 Special (big name) guests we will book at the last minute.WHERE?: Giant DwarfWHEN?: February 10th, 7:30pm-9pmHOW?: Buy Tickets HereWHY?: Best to buy a ticket first, and answer this question later.PATREON 💸:It costs a bit of money to make each episode of A Rational Fear — . If you enjoy our podcast, funny emails and important climate change conversations chip in here like a good sovereign citizen. We want to raise enough money we can start to make a video a month. If you believe in the work we're doing chip in — www.patreon.com/arationalfearThanks to:Big thanks to The Bertha Foundation, our Patreon Supporters and RODE Mics. Jacob Round. TRANSCRIPTION FROM  OTTER.AI: Unknown Speaker  0:00  This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation.Dan Ilic  0:04  Hello, rational fearlessness is the fourth greatest moral podcast of our generation. These are long form conversations with climate leaders that come out monthly on this very feed. And joining me is co host and fellow birth or fellow lindo gaylin.Linh Do  0:18  Hey, hey, Dan, what'sUnknown Speaker  0:20  going on? Now? IDan Ilic  0:21  know something's going on your life. You suffered a major life milestone this week. Congratulations on enduring life to reach 30 years old. Well done.Linh Do  0:28  Thank you. I feel like I have finally evolved into a fully fledged human. I think this is when I begin my adult use. This is just how it works.Dan Ilic  0:36  Yeah, well, you will you and I were meant to start many years ago, but I only became an adult when I turned 36. So that's different.Linh Do  0:42  Oh, I've got six years to go then that's that's pretty good. I'm really enjoying this extended youthful years and just trying to proclaim that I am young at heart if not in actuality anymore.Dan Ilic  0:52  Well, I don't want to put any kind of climate things in context for your age. But by the time many of the nations who have committed to net zero by 2050 reach those targets, you'll be 60 How do you feel about that?Linh Do  1:04  Off devastating but you know, when I started doing climate stuff, everyone was talking about 2020 and you know, all of the ambition that was needed by Ben, and someone surfaced up a video clip of me in my you know, teenage years saying in 2020 I'll be 30 and hopefully climate change anyway, it's like very, very clear. It's awful.Dan Ilic  1:22  That sentence reminds me that there were so many Greta tunberg before Greta turn Berg and you were just one of them.Linh Do  1:27  Just one of them. Yeah. And you know, I think I just didn't have a catchy enough name. And I didn't do anything as bold as striking from school. I'm still very diligent, I think Had I known then what I know now maybe I should have started striking a little bit earlier and we wouldn't have to be talking about 2015 when we're 60.Dan Ilic  1:44  Well, people who are on this journey with us include new Patreon supporters, including Carl Christopher appears and someone called Grandmaster to sweet Thank you Grand Master to sweet. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the urination lane, whose land Are you recording on?Linh Do  1:58  I'm on the land of the will run through people.Dan Ilic  2:00  sovereignty was never stated we need a treaty. Let'sUnknown Speaker  2:02  start the show. Despite global warming. Rational fear is adding a little more hot air with long form discussions with climate leaders. Good. This is called Don't be frightened. The heat waves and drought greatest mass extinction Morrow we're facing a man made disaster podcast ration all of this with global warming and a lot of it's a hoax. But write a small podcast about generation. For short,Dan Ilic  2:41  yes. And this week, or rather, this month we speak to two giants of the Australian writing community on how to have difficult conversations with your family and friends about climate change. It's a it's a pretty good time of year for this episode to come out when you say LynneLinh Do  2:54  totally I think the holiday season is gonna be great initially because we have seen people Jitta COVID lockdowns and whatnot. But after a couple of hours, you'd be like, Oh, right. That's my Uncle Ben, here's maybe a bit of a climate denier. Is that my cousin who doesn't believe in vaccines? How do I broach some of these topics? And I find it's been a hard one to talk about for years. Well,Dan Ilic  3:14  let me tell you, the two guests we have on the show today are going to be able to help us through those tricky conversations. We've got Sarah Wilson, and Dr. Rebecca Huntley, and they, the conversations are great. I had a really good time with them. But first, Lynn, let's Miss rip into this month's climate news. There has been a metric shit tonne of climate news this month. Incidentally, a metric shit tonne was all the carbon that Chevron managed to capture and store the golden planet wi this year. Climate nice climate jog for everyone. Are you overwhelmed by how much climate news has come out in November?Linh Do  3:48  I think like in November, but honestly this entire year as well, I think second to COVID surely climate has sort of been really up there in terms of things are constantly being announced both like good and bad, which is great, but very overwhelming and very surprising.Dan Ilic  4:02  First up, the treasurer isn't happy that financial institutions are deserting fossil fuels. So there's only one thing a treasurer can do launch an inquiry. According to the nine papers, federal Treasurer Josh frydenberg, has thrown his support behind a proposed inquiry that will grill financial regulators and banks over plans to pull back on lending or insuring on mining projects because of climate change. This is a this is a weird story. It's like the treasurer isn't noticing what's happening around the world.Linh Do  4:30  Yeah, he's not at all about the macro trends. It's only about the micro and only about what's happening in his own backyard.Dan Ilic  4:36  Should we be so surprised that a government has spent the entire pandemic trying to sell expensive gas to Australians and trying to sell coal to China who are refusing it? Is it any surprise that a government that's racked up the largest debt and living memory is giving away billions and gas royalties that they can't do the maths on fossil fuel investment?Linh Do  4:53  Not at all. I don't think we're ever getting back in the black and you know, and even though I'm 30 now still a millennial at heart and it's so Sometimes can feel like it's much harder to get a loan for a mortgage than it is to get a loan for a big coal project. So it feels like if I just changed a couple of words in an application and be like, Hey, here's the money like go right ahead. So it's really disappointing that the government tried to make that all the more easy. Yeah,Dan Ilic  5:14  you shouldn't be but you shouldn't be trying to buy a house where you only own the first six inches of soil. You need to be digging underneath.Linh Do  5:22  Yes, gotta gotta dig dig, but uh, just go big ol Gerhard.Dan Ilic  5:26  It's kind of interesting. Like, it's so funny how, you know, if the government can't get their way on something like this, they have to go, Oh, we need an inquiry. an inquiry we should get an inquiry going? Because it seems like the science and financial markets are wrong again.Linh Do  5:40  Yep. everywhere around the world, and even like from some different state governments as well, it just does not seem to make any logical sense at all, which, I guess is not surprising when it comes to our government.Dan Ilic  5:50  Well, it's certainly not surprising that Australia wasn't invited to speak at the UN Climate ambition summit last week. Was that something that caught you by surprise at all?Linh Do  5:59  It didn't catch me by surprise, but it was definitely a bit of a gleeful moment, I could not believe that of all people that we were snubbed by it was Boris Johnson. I don't know what that says about skarmory. But that is not that's not something I'd want to be known forDan Ilic  6:11  was really interesting, because Boris Johnson, of course, is hosting cop 26 next year, so he's got to kind of be on the front foot, he's got to look like he's acting on climate change, because everyone around him is coming to the party next year, to be part of it next, next November. So he's got to actually, you know, be one of the leaders. And so that really puts you in an odd position. I think it's so funny how, you know, Scott Morrison, two weeks out from the climate ambition summit said he's not going to use Kyoto credits anymore when trying to kind of meet the Paris targets. And that would have been a good enough thing for him to allow him to speak at the climate.Linh Do  6:45  told the reaction, right, like such unrealistic and unmatchable, like expectations are really big tantrum. And then at the very last minute be like, okay, maybe I'll concede maybe I'll do this. And like lots of people like, hey, that's great. But it's like, but was it really?Dan Ilic  7:01  Yeah, the whole the whole conference is called the climate ambition summit. There's nothing ambitious about not cheating. Like, that's not ambitious. That's the bare minimum. It's so interesting.Linh Do  7:13  I'm not doping.Dan Ilic  7:14  Here's some of the things that are announced on that climate ambition summit, the UK announced they'll cut emissions by 68% of 1990 levels by 2030. That's a further 10% increase in ambition, the EU committed to the new target to 55% of carbon emissions compared to 1990. By 2030. Israel and Pakistan have committed to not building any new coal plants. I'm sure that's harder for Pakistan than Israel to do. But China also has committed to a quarter of energy consumption to come from non fossil fuels by 20 3015 countries committed to much stronger NDC or nationally determined contributions. Lean for people who don't speak climate, what is an NDC?Linh Do  7:52  So when the NDC I can't believe it. Wow, sorry. I was just so eager to add to that, because I clearly do speak climate and climate walk the crime that doesn't get invited around to dinner party. That's right. So one of the big things that came out of the Paris Agreement was that every country agreed to an end deseo to this nationally determined contribution. And the whole idea is rather than listening to that big global world order and doing things that might not fit for your country, governments could consider what their domestic obligations were, what other issues I had going on all those sorts of things, and determine how they were going to reduce their emissions by how much and went by. And one of the things that I think is a really great feature of this, like whole MDC acronym business is the idea is, you don't just lock in your goal, once you actually lock in your goal. And then every couple of years, you revisit it, and you re assess based on how well you've been able to do. So if you like smashed it, right, let's go a little bit harder and keep pushing for an even better personal best, essentially,Dan Ilic  8:45  is this what they call the ratchet mechanism. Lin.Linh Do  8:49  Yes, I don't even know if ratchet is a real word. I have honestly looked it up in the dictionary before be like, is this a hatchet ratchet? What am I saying? But it's just this whole idea that we are ratcheting up so ratcheting I think means increasing. Again. I don't know if it's actually that in the dictionary, but it's how climate people use it.Dan Ilic  9:06  Right. Excellent. I believe it's a old school like it's an old school tool, like it's a ratchet. It's like a spanner you kind of pull it and pulling mechanical, mechanical thing. Also, at the climate ambition summit, the UK, France and Sweden will stop financial support of international fossil fuel projects. It's not just Australia just writing Berg. Also net zero targets have moved forward from 2050 by Finland, Austria and Sweden. Also the small island states coalition committed to net zero by 2030. And there is going to be a tonne more money from for the Green Climate Fund support developing countries to skip the whole fossil fuel part of their industry. 500 million euros from Germany, 1 billion euros from France. Now when you compare all of those incredible announcements to Australia going, you know what, you know, we have been shading the last 20 years to meet our climate emissions. You know, tell you what we We're not going to shoot anymore since 1997. We've been filthy little cheats, but we're not going to do it anymore. Do you think that is a good enough thing to put on this put on stage in front of the world?Linh Do  10:10  It's so embarrassing. And I really hope people continue to mistake me as being from Australia rather than Australia without, you know, some of their recent new announcements, happy to move to Vietnam.Dan Ilic  10:21  A couple of other things quickly just seemed odd, done declared a climate emergency for New Zealand. Does it have any kind of real world implications? Lynn?Linh Do  10:29  I mean, yes, and no, I think it's one of those things where we love to stab some politicians. And just Cinder is like definitely one that those of us in Australia really love. So he caught me by surprise that Greta toon Burg was a bit critical of that, but I think it's right like can you really stand a politician? Can you really do that while still holding them to account?Dan Ilic  10:47  Yeah, a couple of other things quickly. One sad thing and one happy thing. The sad thing is more than $3 million dollars of the Australian future fund has been invested in the Carmichael mine, the Adani Carmichael mine, the 60 wishes, that is a quite, that's a $3 million isn't a lot of money. But it is our money that's being invested in this dog of a projectLinh Do  11:09  that might not even get up and when I say might not even highly unlikely to get out. I don't know how many years we've been talking about this. Now no one will finance this project. There's no viability for it. But we're still pouring money literally down the drain.Dan Ilic  11:21  It was discovered by Ravana Ross, who is a human rights lawyer for the Australian Centre for International Justice. And basically she did fly on where the money was going, he was going into this project. Because a Danny has strong links to the Myanmar military regime and supplying them with logistics and support for their military, which of course has huge human rights implications because of the treatment of the Rohingya population. So that is pretty interesting, like, not only is Australia committing their own human rights, but they're indirectly supporting a Danny's support of Myanmar's human rights problems,Linh Do  11:58  the company we keep increasingly becomes more and more depressing both on climate and human rights issues.Dan Ilic  12:04  Let's wrap This news segment with something a bit more hopeful South Australia's liberal state government predicts that the state could boast more than 500% renewable energy by 2050. This is the Liberal government in South Australia saying South Australia is going to become a net exporter by 2050, up to 500 times their own capacity of renewable energy. Isn'tLinh Do  12:26  that incredible? It really is. And these are the big numbers that you want to hear. You know, on top of Tasmania being powered by 100% renewable energy South Australia leading the way, it's really clear that like liberal governments can do something just maybe not at the federal level right now.Dan Ilic  12:40  It's just head butting Li crazy that the federal government can't even jump on board with any kind of climate action because they've pinned themselves into this corner where it would be politically impossible to do they've done their anger.Linh Do  12:53  They really, really have, it feels like the Liberal Party needs a little bit of help talking about climate change within their own regs, because clearly, they're quite divided on just how we should tackle this issue.Dan Ilic  13:04  That's it, I'm going to start a new company, rational fee is going to pivot to helping solely the Liberal Party communicate about climate changeLinh Do  13:11  with one another, like let's just stop it because it feels like there's some good eggs in that cap. And like, you know, we've heard from a few of them on this podcast. So how can we spread that good message?Dan Ilic  13:20  I haven't got that little party money yet, so please donate to the Patreon. Still, it's really required. Anyway, let's get cracking into the interview. First up is Dr. Rebecca Huntley. She and I discuss the ins and outs of communicating climate change and climate science with basically anyone her book is called How to talk about climate change in a way that makes a difference. And you'll find out by listening to her that there is, there is a couple of things that can help you with your dinner party conversations.Unknown Speaker  13:49  You're listening to the greatest moral podcast about generation. First of all,Dan Ilic  13:55  I'm a big fan. So thank you for doing this.Rebecca Huntley  13:57  I'm a big fan of you. It's a mutual fan Association Appreciation Society.Dan Ilic  14:03  I just remember seeing on stage years ago, a guy and you're talking about something and I just thought she's the funniest person I don't know.Rebecca Huntley  14:11  Well, I wouldn't describe myself as Australia's funniest market research. Which I, which is a claim that I can back up having been to many market research conferences in my time.Dan Ilic  14:23  That's what we do in irrational fear. We bring the biggest brains with the biggest laughs to the programme. So it's great that you're you're joining us. And you've written a book about how to talk about climate change in a way that makes a difference. In fact, that is the title of the book. Yes, yes. That's right. You're You're now on a podcast called the greatest moral podcast of our generation. So I'm familiar with wordy titles. I thought it'd be great to get you on to talk about exactly what your book talks about. Because in the lead up to Christmas, people are going to be hanging around their lunch tables with relatives who may not agree with them on climate change. And I thought this could be a great primer for Christmas lunch. had a bit of a testy kind of moment last Christmas talking about energy and climate with one of my cousins. And thankfully, a lot of other my other my cousins are lawyers, and they came to buy defence at Christmas lunch. But it was a very interesting, it was interesting conversations. We're talking about renewables. And I was just saying, well, it's, you know, this government was saying that this government needs to invest more in renewables and really make a market incentive to have less coal. And I think my cousin at the time, probably still is a big TGV listener and said, Well, absolutely crazy that he went down the baseload power route, or the write down about all these kind of talking points that the carbon lobby have. Yeah. And then, thankfully, I've got some cousins who have done some extreme reading around energy. They're like, Well, actually, so we're having this fact often buddyRebecca Huntley  15:44  mentioned you killer, which put nuclear in the mix? That's always a bit of a indication ofDan Ilic  15:49  No, no, no, no mention of nuclear. I wonder why? I don't know. Yeah, no mention of nuclear. Got a bit testy there around lunchtime. And I thought we're heading into Christmas. Maybe there's a better way to handle this conversation. Yeah, let's talk Rebecca has written a whole book about it. But the very virtue that you've written a book may not mean that you you'll have much success at your own Christmas lunch?Rebecca Huntley  16:12  Well, look, it's interesting, I suppose the first thing I need to say is that this year, more than any other year, people are, probably people's tanks are pretty low. And they're probably feeling pretty stretched emotionally because of the year and a level of uncertainty. So I would approach these conversations with loved ones with even greater trepidation, empathy and understanding. That being said, we aren't we don't have the luxury of not talking about hard things, because people are tense, because people are going to continue to be tense. And of course, Christmases are always going to be a trigger point. But people are tired. So I think you approach it with that kind of perspective. I think what's really difficult, and I think a lot about this in writing the book. And even more since writing the book is now my whole life is the climate movement and working with people in the climate movement more broadly, is that you need to also think about your own sense of self care. Where is the best place to put my energies, one of the things I see a lot of is burnout in the movement, and people feeling like they're just such at such a low ebb. They want to walk on the streets, grabbing people by the shop, shaking the world, what are you doing? What are we doing? So my sense is unless you really want unless you've got the energy, and you feel like your relationships are close enough, you know, to try this out at the dinner table, I think the first thing to really talk about is just really understand why people feel the way they do. And for your cousin who just listens to 2g Bay, my first question is, are is GGB, the main place to get your information about climate. And for me, one of the most powerful things and I do this every now and then on Twitter, and I think the reaction that I get on Twitter is a bit of an indication of how effective this is. So sometimes when people have a doubt me about renewables, not being able to, you know, meet our energy needs, one of the things I really enjoy doing is retweeting stories about that already happening. So what's already happened, like we've just had a, we've just had it mixed, you know, some achievements in Tasmania, in South Australia, the kinds of projects that were lampooned by TJ Bay a couple of years ago, and now making enormous amounts of money. One of my favourite examples is, is the tomato, the soul powered tomato farm and Porter gusta, which is creating jobs for people who had actually been in a town that had been abandoned by the fossil fuel industry. So there are tonnes of examples all around Australia that we don't champion that gives us a sense of what is possible, right, right now and in the near future in relation to renewables.Dan Ilic  18:49  So sitting down to Christmas lunch, the first question is to my cousin is, Oh, that's interesting. Where do you get your climate information from? Right.Rebecca Huntley  18:58  And then I think part of it is also recognising that we get it to a lot from you know, the guardian or the rest of it. And, and, and Rebecca Holly's Twitter feed. And, look, it's really difficult. And in the end, I think one of the things that we save from the research that we do, and the search I'm doing at the moment, which which segments Australian communities around climate and how they feel is that you don't always have to convince people about the climate science to convince people about the solutions and broadly about 90% of the population thinks wants renewable energy to provide our energy needs and understand that coal and gas there are well, there might amplify the amount of jobs that the coal and gas industry can produce domestically, but they're not naive about for example, the fact that the coal industry contributes to pollution significantly, which contributes to health and things like coal seam gas, even even Alan Jones can agree that coal seam gas is not a good solution. To our energy needs, because of the consequences, it has on a whole range of things, including, you know, food security and farmers. So there are ways I think I'm always looking at ways to not to sidestep but negotiate through conversations to keep those conversations going, as part of an ongoing challenge that we all have to head towards the solutions asDan Ilic  20:23  quickly as this is a very easy thing for a beggar hunter researcher, who is researching all of Australia's climate values and segmenting people into demographics. If you're not Rebecca hoppy, should you read up on the latest IPCC report? Oh, going into Christmas?Rebecca Huntley  20:39  Well, that's a really, really good point. One of the things that's fascinating in the work that we do on people who are alarmed about climate change, which is definitely on me. So when we ask people, what's their biggest, the biggest challenge they face the biggest obstacle to talking more about climate change or doing more is they feel they don't know enough about the climate science. And to tell you the truth, you don't need to know that much. You only and and you only need to know enough to help you have that conversation. And in fact, in the work that we do, which segments that community, the only segment that feel like they absolutely under the sun, understand the climate science and a really confident are talking about it. What segment is that? You could give nerds deny the only group that genuinely feel like I know all the climate science, I'm across it, right? And I'm really confident talking about it is 9% of the population that denies all the rest of us feel like we can't talk about it. Why? Because we actually respect the expertise that sits behind the climate science. We know that if pretty much every single scientist in Australia with a PhD says this is happening and it's a serious problem. We need to believe them. Because for whatever reason, and I'm I've thought about this, we just we just Australians generally respect, expertise. It says there's exclusive exclusions to that. But in general, when we say Where should we be getting our information, the CSR, the Bureau of Radiology, we trust them,Dan Ilic  22:13  nothing kind of highlights that more than the crisis of COVID-19. I think like when you compare Australia to America, like watching Australians fall in line with the cops is more interesting than watching Americans try to grapple with their freedoms of not wearing a mask.Rebecca Huntley  22:29  That's exactly right. And well paid Evans can get and get a certain way. There is a point where everybody goes, No, I'm sorry.Dan Ilic  22:37  Yeah. He kind of lucky that on the rational fear, we have been making fun of those outliers, because they are so funny on Twitter and their social media is hysterical.Rebecca Huntley  22:46  I think making fun of them is the best way forward. But we do need to be vigilant, because one of the things that's really clear is that is that the more they get an opportunity to circulate these blatant untruths, the more people assume them have followers. So once again, the research has shown this time and again, when you ask people who believe in climate change how many deniers around the community, they always put it at 20 25%. It's 9%. So we add, those views are amplified. And as a result, we think they're more widespread than they actually are.Dan Ilic  23:20  I totally agree like talking with Matt cane the other day on irrational fear. I was like, man, what's up with your party? Why? Why are they full of climate deniers? He's like, well, Dan, I would say majority of liberals believe in climate science. And one climate action is just that we've got a few people in the federal level, who making all the noise. I think that's, that's so interesting.Rebecca Huntley  23:41  I'm a more prepared to accept that there'll be people in the community who are climate deniers, and their job is not to run the country. You know what I mean? Their accountants, their teachers, it doesn't matter. And in the end, I think banging our head against a war to convince them is a waste of time. However, if you're in Parliament, you have a larger responsibility,Dan Ilic  24:00  while you're saying is there a six climate deniers you need to change the minds? Well,Rebecca Huntley  24:05  we're not going to change their mind, we need to change the mind of the people who elected them to say, they deserve better representation that's happened in Moringa. And I won't be surprised the next election you'll get a lot of those climate deniers have a significant scare certainly in the lower house. I mean, it's one thing to and this is the thing that that that in the book on tonight and the chapter on denial, I say this, there were times where I fantasise about being a climate tonight because my wife would be a lot easier. I mean, I could I could give up what I'm doing now and and pursue my love of making jam for a living or whatever, or designing you know, designing a modernist dog houses, I could do whatever I wanted to do, you know, I would be released of this kind of jewel, passion fear that I have around climate change and feeling I need to do something about it. So I get why people denied I get why people want To push back on the reality, but I cannot guess that people who represent the community empowerment cannot see the opportunity that we have right now the economic and other and broader opportunities we have on acting on climate, because for the first time in a long time, we don't have to turn ourselves into knots to make a case for renewable energy bank, something that's going to be good for people for jobs for pollution. We don't have to make that case that case has been made, which is why people like Matt cane can make that case and the Liberal Party. So that's what I don't get.Dan Ilic  25:38  There's an insane amount of money to be made.Rebecca Huntley  25:40  There isn't a lot of money to be made. There is a lot of benefits to communities to be made. I see it all the time. They were the mostDan Ilic  25:47  infamous or famous versions that is that the Daylesford community yeah with their with their one wind turbine chapter two wind turbines now they're an exporter. Yeah. of electricity.Rebecca Huntley  25:57  And the original investors are making money. That's great. Yeah. I mean, it just can't clear it's just I mean it all you need to do is add Labrador puppies and it's the most wonderful story. Almost unmitigated, wonderful story. I'mDan Ilic  26:12  saying the same here. You invest in renewables for your community, then you can go and make bottlenose dogs.Unknown Speaker  26:19  Right for those Labrador puppies.Dan Ilic  26:21  What's interesting about your book is that it's kind of like when you look at the chapter list, it kind of reads like a therapy session. Yeah. guilt, fear, anger, denial, despair, hope, lost love. Why don't you just call it a cold love? That would have been?Rebecca Huntley  26:39  Well, look, it's interesting, because some I used to be talking to Sarah Wilson, and we've been friends for a long time. I think she and all of my friends who were very focused on emotion in their lives think it's quite funny because I'm the ultimate rationalist. right a lot of great PhD. They're constantly tase me because I'm not spiritual. I'm not emotional with a warm you know, I'm, I'm not particularly emotional. I think I can count the times I've cried in the last 10 years, probably on one hand.Dan Ilic  27:05  I think you and Sarah have written companion books, in many respects. Your book is kind of raiza it's it isRebecca Huntley  27:14  it still may it's still I'm still doing the research. Oh, yeah.Dan Ilic  27:17  So the research I but it's like it's it's a different kind of book to Sarah Sarah's is very spiritual in a, in a kind of journey, yours is, is very different based on lots of other kind of aspects. Do you think you need kind of both in your world,Rebecca Huntley  27:32  we need 10s of 1000s of voices. And Sarah is one voice that will appeal to certain groups of people who might pick up my book and not like it other people, it will be Sarah's will be too spiritual. And they'll want to kind of understand the science. But there is an overlap, in that Sarah is actually interested in the research, like she's not a complete, she's not a paid Evans,Dan Ilic  27:54  she's not completely distracted, our distance from her books got a lot of science,Rebecca Huntley  27:59  it has a lot of science in it. And we have those conversations. And for me, there's a emotional personal story in it that I wouldn't have normally put in my work. But it was important to be able to acknowledge that because it's what drives my climate activism. And it's part of my climate story. And that's what we need more people developing a climate story, whatever that might look like.Dan Ilic  28:22  And to clarify that up you what you're talking about is your kids. I mean, you're you talk about the beginning of your book about how you kind of got into this, you kind of acknowledged a little bit earlier on in our chat that you're kind of a Johnny come lately, the climate? Yeah. How does it feel to kind of come late to the climate saying, Do climate activists look at you and go, where have you been? Like,Rebecca Huntley  28:43  I'm very, I'm very gentle in what I when I identify what have been some of the perhaps the tactical mistakes made? Because I wasn't around You don't? That whole Adani convoy, that was a big mistake. Well, I mean, I'm very careful about that site like that, byDan Ilic  28:59  the way, that's gonna sound bad in the transRebecca Huntley  29:02  if it's pulled out, because I never doubt that what people are trying to do is get to a goal that's bigger than it is right. So I know and I know there's so much pain and suffering and genuine love in the in the climate movement. And also there is just okay, what's going to work it's one of one of the things that fascinated me about the climate move when COVID here is when COVID hit every other sector that I was involved in all other workplaces just kind of froze in the headlights. Everybody knew in the climate movement was like, Okay, what do we do now? Like they were just part of that they just had such get up and go on with it. So it's like, how do we take what we were going to do? Understand COVID and keep going and actually it sustained me in so I've, I feel like I'm getting so much from being involved with people and also there's a willingness and hunger for some new People who are prepared to spend their time helping in a collaborative sense. So it does feel like I've come light with. But I would say this one occasion when I feel guilty that is that I have spent 15 years understanding how Australians feel about everything else. And how they feel about climate change is connected to that if you're economically anxious, you're living in regional Queensland, and you always feel like government is letting you down. When you talk to somebody about climate change, they're not responding to the science, they're responding to all of that. Right, if you live in the inner city, like me, in you behind the tumeric latte curtain here, particular views about particular values about Mr. Evans tear down this wall. And then that's it. So I think in a way, it's been a circuitous path towards climate change. But all understanding and knowledge that I've got from that I've worked for years with the superannuation industry. So understanding the role that it can play now, in climate change is actually important. I've spent years working with the big supermarkets and understanding that that's going to help us well, you have spent this time doing this, whatDan Ilic  31:10  do you think are the things that connect all those elements together?Rebecca Huntley  31:14  Look, I think the first thing we have to we have to get is that there has been a consistent and a consistent and very effective campaign to make climate change, a question of cultural identity politics, and unravelling that is near difficult in the time that we have available. So we have to understand where people come culturally and socially to the issue in order to address it. Yeah, that's the first thing I would argue. This is why somebody like Matt Kane, and that has to inform our tactics.Dan Ilic  31:52  Yes, it is so strange, too. I am not a liberal voter I've ever been voted liberal for a very long time, if ever, and it's one of those things where seeing Matt Cain operate at the level he's operating, and making the noises on renewables is genuinely exciting to me. Oh, it'sRebecca Huntley  32:10  so excited, like,Dan Ilic  32:11  Oh my god,Rebecca Huntley  32:13  I didn't know it was outside.Dan Ilic  32:14  That is the champion we need. I feel like there's a champion in those circles to change them.Rebecca Huntley  32:20  In fact, when he first started talking, I remember just looking at me thinking it was like, you probably too young to remember this. It's like when you're watching Funniest Home Videos, and there's a father doing something, and you're like with his kids, and you're like, at some moment, he's going to be kicked in the nuts. And I just don't know how I tell I felt looking at Matt Cain, I thought what's gonna out there?Dan Ilic  32:42  That was my question. My question is, are you going to be assassinate?Rebecca Huntley  32:47  Really, I really was. She was that same? That same moment of kind of nervous tension laughter about when he was gonna be whacked, but he hasn't.Dan Ilic  32:58  As someone who worked on Funniest Home Videos, Rebecca, howRebecca Huntley  33:00  did it change, theDan Ilic  33:01  lexicon is growing hit always the greatest growing hits,Rebecca Huntley  33:05  I was waiting for a God Almighty growing here, and it hasn't come. And in fact, it's unlikely to come just because of what happened what they managed to push through Parliament, New South Wales Parliament last week, which is that they're just going to be creating best putting those building blocks in. And once that happens, once a community starts to see the benefit, they don't turn back, they don't turn back when they know that those things are going to work. So no, absolutely. And in fact, one of the big insights coming out of this book was the importance of in the same way that the voices of deniers have been amplified. We need to amplify the voices that that I suppose. And pique or surprise people, this person cares about climate. That's why I was so interested in farmers for climate action, around a lot of a lot about faith leaders talking about climate, from the point of view of their faith, and conservatives of all kinds really, critically important. It's important because different people have to see themselves as having as people like them talking about climate and talking about the benefits, or we don't make that connection.Dan Ilic  34:18  One of the things you can suggest in your book is to not use catastrophic language. Yeah. This podcast is called irrational fear. It's, it's a it's kind of a joke. Oh, yeah. I'm using catastrophic language. And Rebecca using catastrophic language is fun. Yeah, absolutely. I know if you know that. So like, but why shouldn't we be doing that?Rebecca Huntley  34:40  Well, I mean, again, it's all horses for courses for some. And this is why understanding who you're talking to, and where they are now and where you might be able to shift them is critically important. All right, if you even five or six years ago, when I was when I was concerned about climate, but it wasn't the main part of my life. I actually did have some friends in my Who would just would use this language and I would just kind of, you know, shrink away, I'm gonna be, again, you might be too young for this. I remember years ago, when Bob Carr was premiere on on New Year's Day, he released this statement about climate change. And I remember thinking about what was at stake for the environment, and I'm thinking, he's gone mad. I just couldn't understand it. Now you look back at it. And he's obviously reading the climate science. You know, it's all you know, many things you want about Bob Carr, he genuinely cares about the environment. And I wasn't receptive at that moment for that, but something happened. And now I raised the uninhabitable Earth and other things, and listen to some of the climate science and which I do every now. And then I don't do it all the time. But it's important to keep my eyes focused on the task. So I'm receptive to it. It's absolutely clear that there are other audiences that are completely unreceptive and may never grow to be receptive. We need to think about how can we shift them political behaviour, consumer behaviour, you know, bit for other reasons, right. We need to inject a sense of urgency for them that isn't about walls and fire and all the rest of it is about something else. So you distil it's all about? I'm not saying never use it, I'm saying understand the impact that it's going to have so understand the audience, why are using it and what you want to get them to do for me, I would dip into something like the uninhabitable Earth maybe once a month, or I'd tune into her site I just the other day, I was listening to some of the latest science, just about the challenge of not just reducing emissions, but drawdown like dramatic like drop when I started thinking, because every all of my work moment, is completely focused on renewables and emissions. And then I started thinking, that's just one side of the problem. Yeah, just thinking. And I started, and my friend, he was also on the zoom texted me and she said, Are you are you? Are you having a panic attack too? And I said, Yep. And badly. It was important because I walked away thinking I actually need to start doing more research on the jewel language around drawdown and emissions reduction, I have to get my head around it.Dan Ilic  37:16  This is probably a good place to mention that you can look up the carbon emissions from your car with a go neutral sticker for $90 going to show for offset 3.5 tonnes of your carbon from your car and you can put a sticker on the back of a car, you know, I just did this Yeah, then check out the link in the show notes. And five bucks of that comes to us.Rebecca Huntley  37:35  Now this is f this sounds like it sounds like completely fake. But actually, I did this week go.Dan Ilic  37:43  Oh, so you got my cast away from listening to our podcast,Rebecca Huntley  37:47  not from your podcast, sadly, bash, but I saw them on Instagram, I thought because so I'm in the situation where I want to get a Navy, but I've probably about three or four years away from getting one yeah. And you know, in a bit of a you know, COVID is meant I bless my marriage. So I don't know if huge amounts of money. So I thought this is a really good bridge between what my car is now and when I'm going to get a Navy. I mean,Dan Ilic  38:12  it really doesn't do anything except for purchasing with other people that you're a good person, but that'sRebecca Huntley  38:16  not a bad bet in this area. And I'm deep behind the chimeric lotto circle. It's all about the virtue signalling. I can't shame people. I have a gun. The sticker on my car. I have so many. I mean, here, you could get beaten with a Hessian bag if you walk around with a plastic bag.Dan Ilic  38:35  Thank you so much, Rebecca, you for coming on irrational fear. I just want to maybe do a quick roleplay with you Sure. Let's pretend we're sitting down Christmas lunch. I'll be my cousin. Okay. And you can talk me around climate asRebecca Huntley  38:51  well look in these kinds of environments, just ending with a conversation that doesn't end in turfing, some kind of, you know, bread roll at the table isn't success, butDan Ilic  39:02  let's go. Okay. Well, you know, the problem with renewables is just another baseload power to to power the country. That's what we need baseload power. Why do you think that? Oh, just see everything I've read.Rebecca Huntley  39:15  With some wayDan Ilic  39:16  I've written in the Daily Telegraph, Andrew bolt, right headlight tells me all the time on TV, basically power. I've also done some reading on some great blogs. I can't remember the name. I've probably never be able to find a riceRebecca Huntley  39:28  book. Alright. Okay.Unknown Speaker  39:30  Well, I think I think, look, there isRebecca Huntley  39:32  definitely issues we need to make sure for people to really embrace renewables, we really have to know that they can feel confident that it can deal with whatever happens. But you know, one of the things that's really interesting is the CSI or the chief scientist, they say that stuff is already happening like in places like South Australia and Tasmania. This is already happening. So I'm not that worried about baseload powerDan Ilic  39:54  windows that give people cancer.Rebecca Huntley  39:56  Yeah, I don't think that that's a thing but I am I mean, I'd be interested if you want to share that material with me. I'd really like to have a look at it. I sentDan Ilic  40:04  a Facebook post about people got ringing in their ears from windmills.Rebecca Huntley  40:08  Yeah, no, I think look, I think that would probably have to put that to one side at the moment, I'd get it again. Some people like the look of windmills, some people don't. But the other day I was writing just in the Hunter Valley. Okay, so the Esma rate for children in New South Wales general generally is at about 12%. In the Hunter Valley, it's 18%. And it's all about the Open, open, you know, open pit coal mines,Dan Ilic  40:35  where those people go to work, they can't work in windmills.Rebecca Huntley  40:38  Well, the other thing, why should they can they can evil energy. But I suppose the other thing that we constantly do, and it's understandable, because, you know, none of us, none of us are economists at this table. Especially, you know, jobs in that sector in the hunter, getting less and less and less over time, over time, their project pretty much to disappear. You know, lots of the big renewable in lots of the big GM fossil fuel in areas want to get out of the Hunter Valley. There's lots of other opportunities in the Hunter Valley for jobs, especially if the government gets really good about investing.Dan Ilic  41:14  Even coal is such a big exporter for us, you know, we basically run a whole country on on fossil fuels leaving the countryRebecca Huntley  41:22  we have and that's been such an important driver to prosperity in Australia. I get that. I think one of the things that really worries me is a lot of the people that are buying that call are massively investing in renewables made real commitments to reducing emissions. And so we're going to start to say, a lot of that decline over time. We've got to be ready for what happens when it falls off.Dan Ilic  41:42  China is building 10,000 new coal mine coal power plants a day.Rebecca Huntley  41:48  Wow, gosh, really?Dan Ilic  41:51  Did 10,000 a day?Rebecca Huntley  41:54  I don't know if that's true place. Yeah. Again, look, can you send the stuff about the email and cancer stuff? Can you also send this stuff about the 10,000 coal mines? I'd really like to have a look anyway. We definitely. Do you want some chicken? I would love to have another conversation with you about this next Christmas. Anyway, you said that next week series called The Crown apparently it's really good. I don't know what it's about. SoDan Ilic  42:17  whatever that is, you're a coward. Rebecca, a coward. You could have had me on the ropes. Gonna slandered me. It's really hard to have these conversations with people that are in your family isn't there?Rebecca Huntley  42:29  But you know what the other thing in the book and I'm a big fan of Anna rose and worked really closely with her I once asked him should you ever argue with a climate denier? And she said only if other people around prepared to listen, overhearing the conversation?Dan Ilic  42:44  That is a wonderful aros thing to say.Rebecca Huntley  42:48  And I think it's true. So such great strategy. It is. So what I wasn't going to change your mind there. Bash anybody at the table, who doesn't want to talk about climate change has seen two things, ask be able to have a conversation which didn't deteriorate into name calling to there was lots of different bits of information that I throw in there, one of which is going to spark some kind of attention. But if people walk away from that conversation, thinking that two people on completely different ends of the spectrum can have an evidence kind of evidence. conversation about something that they normally see is a completely resolvable issue, then that itself is a tiny, you know, when one conversation is not going to turn people around, but a series of productive I'm not talking about respectful necessarily, because it wasn't necessarily being respectful because you caught up till by the end of it. I was over. And didn't was like yes, well, there we go. That's part of it. You know, that is so that for me, that isn't for me, the fact that I didn't lose it and say, Listen, you, knuckle bowgun shop, this is a great achievement given I've already had two glasses of champagne, and it's been a try. Yeah,Dan Ilic  44:04  I mean, it's hard to say that and take you seriously when you've got a paper crown on your head.Rebecca Huntley  44:12  That's exactly right. Yeah, exactly. Right. So there we go. It is hard. And I and look, there are times where I've failed miserably. And there have been times there was one time recently where one of my daughter's friends started doing all these weird things with plastic bottles and not putting them in recycling. And I said Listen, do you know that your body is awash with a million tiny bits of micro plastic? And he looked at me absolutely terrified and ran away. And my my, my daughter said to me, Mom, like everybody knows you like like your environment, climate change, but please don't scare my friend. I'm like, Okay, okay, but it would drive me nuts. He was like doing all these weird things with plastic and putting them in the wrong place. And I went nuts. So even even the people who write books get it wrong.Dan Ilic  44:58  You just especially 40 minutes telling me how what a rational person you are.Rebecca Huntley  45:07  That's true. Even even the most rational people lose it. We even the most rational people.Dan Ilic  45:14  Well, Rebecca, I'm thankful that we have less modernise dog houses in this preserve in our life, because we've got your brain to think about these problems.Rebecca Huntley  45:23  Thank you very much. And we got your podcast, too.Dan Ilic  45:26  Yeah. Well, that's right. That's it. You wanted more conversation? In your book, you say more people talking about climate change. So I started a podcast. Thanks, Rebecca.Unknown Speaker  45:35  Thank you.Dan Ilic  45:37  And that was Rebecca Hunley, she's pretty funny for a market researcher would be silent.Linh Do  45:40  It really is. And I learned so much turns out the best way to communicate about climate change isn't just screaming at all of your relatives and friends and neighbours.Unknown Speaker  45:49  Now you've worked with Rebecca in the past?Linh Do  45:51  Yeah, I have worked with Rebecca, before we met through Climate Reality. And once I learned that she was working on this book about, you know, how do you speak on climate change? I think I ended up being a really great resource for her because I've made so many of these mistakes, I was able to detail, top 100 failures, that time that I spoke to the bus driver about it that time I spoke to a school teacher about it. So here are all of the things I went and did wrongDan Ilic  46:13  that time because all of this time you had to speak to Al Gore about it.Linh Do  46:17  Yeah, and I like to use the word I mean, so complicated. But I think you know, given her understanding of what the actual Australian public is, like, her ability to still figure out how climate messaging resonates, regardless of political alignment, regardless of like other values, alignment, I think is really powerful. And I would definitely recommend skimming through the book, or gifting it to a couple of people over the holidays.Dan Ilic  46:43  Next up is Sarah Wilson, we had a great chat about her book, this one wild and precious life. Pretty interesting book. It's not too dissimilar to Rebecca's in that it kind of delves into climate anxiety, and kind of tries to help you with how to have conversations with people how to deal with climate anxiety on your own. But it's much more inwardly facing and kind of is about everything. It's about the whole gamut of Sarah's climate anxiety experience. And she kind of goes on this big rambley journey all around the world to kind of talk to experts and understand nature and humans in context with nature. And it's some it's really fascinating. Here's our chat.Unknown Speaker  47:21  You're listening to the greatest tomorrow podcast about generation.Dan Ilic  47:26  Let me start by asking you, how's your heart at this moment?Sarah Wilson  47:33  Thank you for reading my book that closely to quote lines back at me. My heart is in. You know what it's actually in a really solid place. This often happens after I finished writing a book, my books that taught self help tools, and they take me to a place where I have to get vigilant and real about the shit I share with everyone. You know, when you write a book about quitting sugar, you can't walk down the street eating a magnum for instance. And so when you write a book about waking up to this one wild and precious life, you've got to do exactly that. SoDan Ilic  48:06  I was actually experiment. I was actually curious as to why he didn't call the book I quit car, butSarah Wilson  48:11  it doesn't. It's not evocative. It really, is it I mean, I think sort of an ex ABC journalist or a scientist in Australia Institute thought, you know, sort of consultant would write a book with that title.Dan Ilic  48:25  I found the book, I think I tweeted the first few pages as I was reading the book, I like to think I tweeted at you I think this book is an extraordinary artefact for someone in the future to discover, because it feels like it captures a real contemporary anxiety of the moment. Is that why you wrote the book?Sarah Wilson  48:43  Yes. Although I had to write it in real time, because it was due before the Australian bushfires, and then before COVID, and then before the Black Lives Matters, issue, reared its head, all of which is related, of course, it's the same, what I call each that kind of dready, kind of anx de cringy itch that we're all feeling. But um, I came off the back of writing. First, we make the base beautiful, which is that internal journey to understand, you know, well, for me, it was to understand my bipolar and kind of general weakness, and to share that story with people who felt the same. But then, you know, as I was doing publicity for that, and moving around the world, and also keeping up my work as a climate activist, I realised that the anxiety was now global and collective. And it was way bigger than our own personal stuff, which was a relief in many ways, because I think a lot of our anxiety that we feel is about the fact that we should be attending to something bigger than ourselves right now, this time in history. So yes, I was watching listening angsting going into really deep despairing holes. And then I thought I better write a book about this, and really try to find A hopeful path and I struggled. As you know, Dan, because you saw me in the process, you know, around Bondi, well, IDan Ilic  50:06  know you are very competitive. You're a very compelling leader as well, like, you know, I did see around bonda. And you would, you would you would berate me for not going to protests and stuff like that. And then, you know, eventually ended up going to those protestsSarah Wilson  50:19  in the book.Dan Ilic  50:20  Am I? Yeah.Sarah Wilson  50:21  You probably didn't identify it. I mentioned those protests the September, remember? Yeah. Yeah. The September 2019, climate protests. And there was seven people that I targeted on the morning of the protest. And you were one of them. And all of you went? Yeah, I mentioned in the book.Dan Ilic  50:39  Yeah. Because I saw you were in a cafe and you said, Are you going to the protest, as I thought about it, just really busy. And I ended up just calling my fiance and say, let's get out of work and go to the protest. And that's exactly what we did.Sarah Wilson  50:49  And all of you I saw within 48 hours of the protest, some I saw that night celebrating or having a cocktail to celebrate the fact that they'd got engaged in it. And all of you I saw within 48 hours, and I went into a dark place when I came across all these people I thought were engaged to weren't rising to this opportunity, right, that was being laid out in front of you. And then every, every one of you went and brought people along, and then got back to me and told me that you went and said, It was awesome. Oh, I cried. I really, I cried with joy. And it was just a reminder of how awesome humans can be.Dan Ilic  51:26  It's also a reminder of the leadership abilities that Sarah Wilson can activate me to do six,Unknown Speaker  51:32  seven people at a time. Yeah,Dan Ilic  51:34  well, let's talk about that. I mean, that is one of the things about your book is intense, intensely personal. But it also talks about how we all have the power in ourselves to affect change. And so people who consider themselves as powerless people, that's not true. Everybody has an iota of power. How do you help those people realise that how they have through this book? And how do you encourage them to use that power?Sarah Wilson  51:59  Well, it's a seductive combination of statistics, right, that are backed by sort of many white lab coats, so people go must be legit, as well as sort of metaphor and story and reminders of what's happened in the past, which I think also helps people to realise that this is not humanity's first rodeo, you know, with this kind of things, a great high back colourDan Ilic  52:20  t shirt pandemic of the late 90s. We survived that I think we can survive it. Oh,Sarah Wilson  52:24  I mean, yeah, human hardship, we've done it. I think one of the statistics that people really resonate with and get fired up about is the 3.5% figure of hope, as I call it. So Erica Chenoweth, scientist at Harvard, decided to look deeply into what activated change and she looked at all the peaceful protests from 1900 to 2004. and analyse each and every one of them and found that were three and a half percent of any given population, whether it's a school, a town, a village, whatever, a country, get together, and activate and unite peacefully, the change happens, three and a half percent is not a lot. And I think a lot of people find that really activating. And it's everyday people just getting behind a movement and turning up.Dan Ilic  53:09  This is not just a community, like a nation, but they could be considered to be community like a workplaceSarah Wilson  53:13  or school, a school. Yeah, exactly. So whatever change that you want to happen, that's going to actually take humanity forward, you only need three and a half percent. So that's one thing I'll say to anyone who feels like what's the point? How is my little bit going to make a difference? The second thing that I try to use is these sort of various metaphors. And the way that humans work is we galvanise at an exponential rate, right? So change or care begets care, action begets action, exponentially. And I'll use the example as we like to in this sports, crazy country of the footy match, or the baseball match, or whatever it is the baseball game, where the losing side is down by three points, or whatever. And there's 30 seconds left in the game, and everybody's kind of going, Oh, god, this is all over. And then out of nowhere, the losing side kind of galvanises, this Kamikaze spirit, I call it Kamikaze. Like where they toss out all the normal rules, and just go for it. And as it's kind of groups, soul movement, or moment, and way too many games in history have gone down with that sort of final try and the last 1.5 seconds or the final, you know, fucking home run or whatever. And so this is what we do. We rise to the occasion in this exponential Kamikaze way when we give a shit when we care enough about somethingDan Ilic  54:35  I certainly know through university days that you know, when I know I've got a deadline coming that it really makes me work hard. I have to say that that metaphor really resonates with me, particularly when we were running the TV show tonight lay when we knew we were ending the show and we had six weeks left on air. We threw the whole wrote rulebook out and we made some of the most incredible memorable things. People actually started turning up to the show wanting to come and watch The showSarah Wilson  55:00  magic happens. I call it magic.Dan Ilic  55:02  It is Yeah, it is a strange period. And I do feel I feel so on board with you at this moment, I feel like this is the moment now that everybody needs to be pulling in the same direction and aligned. And this is anybody who's not could be left behind. And we need to encourage them to come along with us.Sarah Wilson  55:21  Yeah, I haven't, I guess the third element that I put to all of this, and this is something that Miss is missing from the climate movement and has been for as long as I've been on this planet. It's the fact that we haven't actually shown how joyful and charming this can be. And I think I've mentioned this to you before then that I went into a dark place trying to find the hopeful path forward three clusters. And I almost gave up, you know, was about to tell my us and my Australian publishers can't do this. Haven't got an answer, sorry, somebody else will have to come up with one. And my meditation teacher sat me down. And he said, Sarah, the thing is, you love living this way. You've got to show us how this can be charming. You've got to show us how this is better than the status quo, make it look sexy and fun. And I realised what he was getting that and, and that shifted the whole dynamic of my book and where I went with it. Like I was like, absolutely, that's how humans work. This has got to be such charming, it's got to be something that we go, game on, this resonates. This is beautiful. This is wild. And that's where that wild and precious notion came into play. Our nature is to give a shit, our nature is to care and to rise to bigger things than ourselves. And we haven't had that dialogue, particularly in Australia for the last 30 years of economic opulence, you know, continued growth, we haven't had that dialogue of going to our edge firing up caring at a level where we overextend ourselves, and, but yet, that is our nature. That is where we rise to our best selves. That's when we're happiest and we're most vibrant, and we're fending and we're creating, and we're resilient, we become resilient. And so that's, that was sort of my aim. So I think that's the third element to selling this, you know, I give a final kind of message to people who have become, you know, overwhelmed and numb, is that, hey, this is awesomely vibrant, and enlivening. And, you know, like, I live minimally, and I ride a bike everywhere. And I don't do it because I'm trying to be a marshal. I do it because I love it like living any other way gives me this, like Hideki feeling, you know, I'd much rather ride a bike somewhere, and smell the air and run into people along the way. Like not literally, but and, you know, live and breathe and see things and being engaged. Because otherwise why are we here?Dan Ilic  57:49  Yeah, the book is interesting. There's one wild and precious life is really interesting, because his journey itself, I feel like it's, it's rambley Not only is it rambley, literally because you go on a little walks, but it also figuratively, was that on purpose?Sarah Wilson  58:05  Yeah, you might remember the bit where my father refers to the book on the family. What thatDan Ilic  58:10  is, is a big chunk of everything. Yeah, hisSarah Wilson  58:12  book of everything, right, because somebody was, you know, my family, my family aren't known for reading my books. So they generally rely on dad to kind of read it and do a summary. So he just referred to a series book of everything. Look, everything got us into this mess, and everything is going to be required to get us out of it. And it is overwhelming. So the way I do it, I think, you know, I do these little tiny mini chapters, some of them are a paragraph long, some of them maybe up to three pages long. And the topic requires swapping from science to philosophy to spirituality to my own personal kind of reflections on it, so that it humanises it and makes it you know, gives a bit of a pause for people to sort of absorb it at a human level. So I am unapologetic about it and I wrote first we make the beast beautiful in a similar way because anxiety requires an outlet and then analysis of all those factors as well. And so I do dance between them all. And we shouldn't try to kind of bring it all in together into a into a seamless conclusion because the complexities of life don't operate that I do ramble. And they go off over here and, and part of it was to get people comfortable with that itself, with the uncertainty and the lack of order and the chaos because that is what we're in. Right.Dan Ilic  59:30  Did it help you with your climate anxiety or your eco anxiety? Yeah,Sarah Wilson  59:35  it did. 100% That sounds very emphatic. But I actually I actually did, I couldn't write this book until I did have that path of hope. Until I believed it and really owned it and, and kind of stepped into it and and and felt that it was going to be the guiding sort of force for me going forward in the second half of my life. I was down, I was really struggling to see the point of my existence halfway through writing this book. And really the the struggled as I tried to grapple with ways of solving this that I share in the book. were real. I was writing it in real time. So but I do you can feel it.Dan Ilic  1:00:20  Yeah, you can feel it, you can feel like the ups and downs of your of what is a very personal journey.Sarah Wilson  1:00:26  And I think a lot of people are going through that, but they don't necessarily articulate it because we don't have a forum for it. Everything sort of says, This is too much influx, and there's not enough discernment going on, right. So, but I did have to get deliberate about all the shit that I was telling people to do in my book. So, you know, I do have to leave out the practices. Like I said, I can't walk down the street with eating a magnum anymore. Well, I have to beDan Ilic  1:00:51  one of your friends who lives in your Southern I can't walk down the street with a paper cup of coffee. Dude, Wilson says, Man,Sarah Wilson  1:01:00  I know that's true. That became a bit of a theme in the book didn't that, but it's actually just one of those. I mean, people go, Oh, you know, one more takeaway coffee cups not going to make a difference? Yep. Sure. That's absolutely right. And in fact, recycling and cutting out plastics isn't even the tip of the iceberg. It's all climate change, we've got to accept that. And so that happens at a policy level and industry and the big, big end of town, but it's the optics, right? It's the care begets care, we need to see more imagery of people giving a shit, this has got to be the dominant discourse, otherwise, we will feel hopeless, and particularly for, dare I say it, white middle class men, they are the demographic missing from the climate debate in the climate, activism space. It's it's white men that are we need to get on board. So when I whenever I see a white man in bondo, with a takeaway coffee cup, I will go out of my way and suggest that they get a key cup.Dan Ilic  1:02:01  Well, if they're a white man in bondo, they've probably also got a podcast. So you go.Sarah Wilson  1:02:07  Go me sitting here in your lounge room right now?Dan Ilic  1:02:11  Well, let's talk about that a little bit. Because I think that is interesting. I feel like everyone is so busy with their lives that climate change, it sits on the back burner for a little bit. Now, I'm in the luxury of disposition, where I'm being supported by fellowship, and I can correct credits podcast and talk to great climate thinkers like you and other people. And I get to kind of use my power to kind of have some sort of discourse about climate change, and encourage others to apply pressure on those in power to do something with climate action through this medium, but if you're just a bloke who's got a job at a construction company, or what Look, what do you say to them?Sarah Wilson  1:02:53  Well, I actually have a dialogue with a white bloke in a construction company in the book, if you remember, who walked around with a takeaway coffee cup in a cafe while seated at the cafe. And he becomes a bit of a thread in the story. What do I say to them? Well, I say to anyone, and this is not my idea comes from the American Buddhist nun Premachandran, she said, start where you are. So if you're a nurse, working nights, if you're a busy parent with three kids, juggling, whatever, that's your starting point. And I use the example in the book of someone who lives around the corner from me and she's a mom of two kids. Pretty much what you're describing doesn't feels powerless, hasn't got a forum. And she just said, so again, it was the strikes the other protests in September in 2019. And she was like, Oh, look, all the mums at my school. The parents are just going it's too hard to get into the city at that time of day with a kid. And she said, maybe, maybe I could all get a minibus. And I said, do it and I get to get on the Eventbrite set it up as a thing, you know, you can charge the tickets. Anyway, it's sold out within an hour, she'd upgraded to a coach, she ended up upgrading to two coaches, and she got over 150 people to that protest. She started where she was, as a sort of fed up Mum, with with access to Eventbrite and Mary's coaches, you know, so I thought that was a great example. And then I shared that on my social media feed. And then I know that a number of people around the country did exactly the same thing at the last minute and it managed to get a coach load of parents and students who otherwise wouldn't have gone to that rally.Dan Ilic  1:04:36  I think starting where you are is the perfect place because in your own sphere, you have influence over other people, your peers, your friends, your family. Yeah. And that is that is completelySarah Wilson  1:04:49  and once you start as you know, and this is why I focus on keep cups right? Once you start once you buy a KitKat bite my friend, Kate's husband, Adam, he went and got himself a KitKat He was so proud of himself, right, you know, thought he was doing. And then he started taking a real interest in recycling and the recycling laws in the in the area. And then it started to grow further and further. So as I said before, actual care begets action and care. And so it generally grows, and then you feel empowered, you feel hopeful, the best remedy for hopelessness and despair is to actually just get engaged in whatever form possible even if it's just listening to the news an hour a day, you feel like you're part of it.Dan Ilic  1:05:33  Yeah. As a comedian who puts on shows about climate change, I've recycled so many jokes, it makes me feel so good. I'm doing something forSarah Wilson  1:05:42  keep doing more and more of it. Exactly.Dan Ilic  1:05:45  Do you get people pushing you back on your climate credentials?Sarah Wilson  1:05:48  I'm not so much, I think because nobody? Well, most of the world struggles to understand the climate science and to be an expert in it. I think what we've worked out and I think climate scientists are wonderful at this, I interviewed, I interviewed 14 different climate scientists, three of whom were involved in the IPCC report. And they are very good at admitting they're not the best communicators. So one of them, actually Joelle. And I forgotten her surname now, but she was a lead scientist on the paper. She said to me, Listen, our work is done. The science is in. And now we need to hand the baton to people like you, Sarah, who can communicate it.Dan Ilic  1:06:33  I have to say that was one of the biggest eye opening moments of the book, reading a book. I was like, Oh, yeah, shit, yeah. Why are we even trying to convince people? It's real anymore. We're pushing on powerful people to make change. That's right, because the science has done. Everything else needs a rollover, those who don't believe can forget it. It's about effecting change right at the top and getting that change in place.Sarah Wilson  1:06:55  Yeah, the scientists have been working in this realm for ages, the activists have been working, and just tirelessly. And so often, I was speaking to activists who are saying something similar. They were saying, we have been going at this for 30 years, and we are exhausted. All we need you to do is come and join us. You know, don't start up a new climate movement. We've got them all here. We've got the data, blah, blah, blah. Just help us out, you know, and so, yeah, I don't get it as much in this climate space, because I don't think that there's too many people. Well, I think everybody feels a little bit, we're scared of it. We most people can't actually digest all the information and feel that they've got a really good handle on it, to be able to give me a hard time about what I'm saying.Dan Ilic  1:07:40  Well, that's true. But also you've got a huge audience. Like, I feel like the Sarah Wilson radar consumer fan. Did you feel like you were bringing them along to a whole new topic that they haven't thought much about?Sarah Wilson  1:07:51  Yeah, and I have a technique for that. Um, you know, I've come from MSMDan Ilic  1:07:56  based media. Yeah, I trust mainstream media contrast,Sarah Wilson  1:07:59  no, no, no, that I thought he probably can trust somebody who comes from mainstream media, and has come out the other side knows the dark side, I'm gonna we're not gonna trust mainstream media, who are we going to trust at least they actually has a very goodDan Ilic  1:08:13  page that I follow called climate sucks.Unknown Speaker  1:08:18  A lot of good information.Unknown Speaker  1:08:19  He was pandemic.Unknown Speaker  1:08:21  I tried to find it, I couldn't find it.Unknown Speaker  1:08:25  That's it. That's it.Sarah Wilson  1:08:27  I what my technique and for anyone out there who's wanting to replicate this technique, is I tend to seed things with my audience. So I'll start talking about this writing about it in quite gentle ways, asking questions, like genuine questions, because I'm wanting to find out where people are at where their pain points at. And I actually held wine and chat groups. As I was writing this book, trying to get from people what it is that they were really struggling with, what aspect of the science, what aspect of the movement, you know, where where were they getting stuck. So I do that, and I start the conversation about three years before the book comes out. And so I do blog posts, I start to, you know, really start to build momentum. So by the time it comes out, people are already 80% onboard. They're signed on for the journey. They're signed on for the journey, they trust me, they know that I've been working this round, and they go, Oh, this is where it all went to. So it's a great marketing tool, but it's in terms of coalescing people around an idea. I think it's gonna work this way. You know, it slowly sort of start where you are. I started as somebody who could blog about this and share Instagram pictures and things and I copped the blowback back then and to answer your earlier question, I think I've spread the blowback out over about three years, and now people just accept I am where I am.Dan Ilic  1:09:50  I think that's changed for anybody. It's painful and growing is hard.Sarah Wilson  1:09:56  That's right. I actually don't mind Dan, I think you've probably worked that out about I try to moderate it, I kind of be the nice girl. And then I come out with something that really shifts people. And then I go into the comments and just time it all down. Well Hang on, you know, it is a sport. And I try not to get too upset about it or too invested in it. Because it's not about me, it's about people's fears. And then, and we've got to bear that in mind.Dan Ilic  1:10:20  And so to relate this back to people who might be listening to this, who, whose own sphere of influence is probably a lot smaller than Sarah Wilson's is what you recommend they do like in the lead up to Christmas, just send a couple of text messages and say, Hey, we know we should do we shouldn't use plastic plates for Christmas. Well, I would and then come Christmas lunch, let's sign this petition likeUnknown Speaker  1:10:40  I do much.Sarah Wilson  1:10:42  Look, what a warm up. As you know, as a comedian, you need the warm up, you need to get people's laughing muscles activated. I think that the best thing that you can do is the best place to start is where you are with yourself the most convincing and to go back to that sort of turning point in the writing of my book. I had to live and breathe it as somebody who believed my own message and did find this way of living, fun, exciting, dynamic, life affirming, because that is the most powerful way to get a message across. So anyone who's about to go and face recalcitrant relatives over Christmas, just freakin strap on your conviction. Pack your keep cup and buildUnknown Speaker  1:11:25  yourself up with charm.Sarah Wilson  1:11:27  It really is all about with charm. And yeah, and and just be your message.Dan Ilic  1:11:31  Yeah. Be your message. That's pretty nice. Yeah, I like that. When you're thinking about projects like this? Do you have a ultimate goal in mind? Like an ultimate outcome? What's the best possible outcome for writing a book like this for you? does it stop at the book? No. Again,Sarah Wilson  1:11:49  this is my marketing background, my MSN background. For listeners who are wondering who the hell I am, and, and why I'm here, or how I got to be here, I was the editor of cosmopolitan. So I sort of learned how to do marketing and to take an idea out in all kinds of monetizing directions. So I generally see that a books with my books, I generally have a life in them of a couple of years. So I try to ensure the message goes further in the conversation from my point of view goes further because I write books because I'm curious. And while I do do a lot of research in the lead up to it, and then I write it. Part of it is also a little bit of a kind of poking life and wanting to see what comes back afterwards. And then that will then probably direct me into my next project. But in this case, yeah, I always knew that this was going to be a complex conversation. It's a book about everything, as my dad said, I needed to get it out there. And then I needed to go and have the conversation with people in a in a way that made everybody feel safe to discuss this stuff, and to show them how to have this discussion out in their communities. So I'm doing a tour with Live Nation, which works to this effect. It's like a giant add on. I mentioned the add on in my Borger. It's a West bengalese sub tradition of talking about complex issues, over hours and hours of cups of tea in large community settings. So that's what I'm going to be doing. But then I also have these book clubs, I've drawn up a book club, sort of schedule sheets that people can use. And then they can use that to go and discuss some of these complex issues with friends and family. So it's likeDan Ilic  1:13:28  a training tool slash info bomb slash. And ISarah Wilson  1:13:31  just keep going and going. And I often don't know exactly where it needs to go. So I have a few structures in place. And then you know, and then I I just see what comes forward, but I will keep the momentum going. I don't see it stopping at a book and then I move on to something else. It's it's almost the starting point, the launchpad for the bigger discussion.Dan Ilic  1:13:51  Do you think this climate discussion will roll into your next big project as well?Unknown Speaker  1:13:55  Yeah,Sarah Wilson  1:13:56  I'm not quite sure what that is. It's starting to like it always takes me six months after writing a book, to start to get the energy to go get fired up about my next thing. And it's starting to percolate, I kind of have a feeling of where it's heading, but it'll probably segue off this into bigger and deeper and Wilder, but chairs your question about where do I want this book to take people like what was my aim? The initial working title for the book, really, up until very close to publishing was Wait, you know, five years up. And essentially that is what I'm wanting people to do. Um, for selfish reasons. I wouldn't mind you know, completing my allotted 85 years on this planet in some kind of comfort.Dan Ilic  1:14:41  And books are the kind of title do very well and justSarah Wilson  1:14:44  say, Do you have the word Paris and then your work? Yeah, let me just be really brutally honest. I want people to find the cup do everything they can. I want to galvanise I want us all to rally together have a wild time saving this one wild and precious life. That's what I'm after.Dan Ilic  1:15:01  And start where you are,Sarah Wilson  1:15:02  start where you are.Dan Ilic  1:15:03  I think that's a great place to end.Sarah Wilson  1:15:05  where we started. Yeah.Dan Ilic  1:15:08  I'm Sarah Wilson, thank you for coming on the greatest moral podcast of our generation.Sarah Wilson  1:15:13  I feel very, very privileged.Unknown Speaker  1:15:18  GM, great, a small podcastDan Ilic  1:15:20  of our generation. That was the wonderful, great and dare I say famous Sara Wilson's great to have her on the podcast always like famous people inLinh Do  1:15:29  Yeah, they're the best and nice joke there. I quit sugar, I quit carbon. I mean, it all rolls really well. ThankDan Ilic  1:15:36  you. Thank you very much. Um, do you read her book?Linh Do  1:15:39  I have read her book, actually. And I have to admit, you know, as someone who already speaks climate, none of these climate books are for me, when I read them. I'm always like, no, but you should be doing more. And I was like, I don't think anyone wants to read the book that would be written for me. I think one of my big takeaways about, you know, Sarah Wilson's workflow is she's had such a fascinating life. And I just really love how she's really not just trying to tackle climate change, but like, fundamentally changed the relationship that she has with capitalism, consumerism, and how all of that interlinks with all of these other like C word things, you know, she talks about COVID, of course. And I think if you can go from like hosting Mastership, to being an advocate for climate champion, I think there's hard for all of us to figure out how we can make climate an integral part of our identities.Dan Ilic  1:16:21  Absolutely. How can you be a climate champion as well? That's the big question for you listening to this? Well, what I do is I make a podcast when I don't know about you.Linh Do  1:16:31  You know, I just like live and breathe in and get a little bit angry and have to remember to read hot tips on how to talk about freaking others.Dan Ilic  1:16:39  That's the problem with climate change becomes your job and is your hobby and is also an existential crisis for you.Unknown Speaker  1:16:44  Yeah.Linh Do  1:16:46  Yeah. That's why no one's writing books for me, because like I am, it's a nice, it's a nice place to be. And speaking ofDan Ilic  1:16:53  see words, Christmas is coming up next week, and we do have a special Rupert Degas who does all of the comedy voices for all the sketches of irrational fear will be joining us to go through the years best sketches we've made on the show. So I can't wait to hear how that comes about. But that's about it for greatest moral podcasts of our generation. Thank you, Lynn.Linh Do  1:17:12  Thank you, Jan. Can't wait to be doing this again with you next year in 2021.Dan Ilic  1:17:16  Yeah, a big thanks to rode mics, the birther Foundation, go nutro Our Patreon supporters. Also Big thanks to Jacob round on tepanyaki timeline also big thank you to Dr. Rebecca Huntley, and the wonderful Sarah Wilson. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of good night.Transcribed by https://otter.aiA Rational Fear on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/ARationalFearSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.