Beyond the Status Quo

Kathryn Gorman & Tamara Zaple Rolfs
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Oct 3, 2025 • 47min

Episode 2 - Challenging the norms in education with Wayne Norrie OBE

In this insightful conversation, Wayne Norrie OBE, CEO of Greenwood Academy Trust, discusses his journey in education, emphasising the importance of challenging the status quo, community engagement, and the need for autonomy in schools. He shares his experiences of leadership, the significance of inspirational role models, and the systemic issues facing the education sector today. Wayne advocates for a focus on critical thinking and listening skills, highlighting the need for a more flexible and responsive education system that prepares students for a complex world.TakeawaysWayne Norrie is a rebel CEO advocating for underserved communities.Challenging the status quo often starts from early life experiences.Leadership should focus on place-based approaches rather than one-size-fits-all models.Autonomy in schools is crucial for effective community engagement.Engaging communities requires a bottom-up approach, starting from individual schools.Inspirational leaders like Sue Campbell and Jacinda Ardern emphasise kindness and tenacity.The education system needs to address systemic issues, particularly around SEND.Positivity in education can be found in the classroom experience with students.Schools must prepare students for a complex and rapidly changing world.Listening is a vital skill that needs to be taught and practiced.Further reading and resourcesGreenwood Academies Trust - HomeFuture of Education and Skills 2030/2040 | OECDfedNationalEducationFutures - FED Education Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Sep 24, 2025 • 8min

Shane Leaning - Host reflections

In this conversation, Kathryn and Tamara reflect on their conversation with Shane Leaning and explore the significance of curiosity in leadership, discussing the barriers that prevent leaders from asking questions and the importance of creating a psychologically safe environment. They also delve into the double diamond model as a framework for collaborative problem-solving and the role of uncertainty in leadership.TakeawaysLeaders need to be curious to guide change.Time constraints hinder leaders from asking questions.Leaders are often expected to have all the answers.Empowering others is crucial for effective leadership.Creating a safe environment encourages risk-taking.Curiosity fosters trust within teams.The double diamond model aids in collaborative solutions.Uncertainty can create psychological discomfort.A supportive culture is essential for open dialogue.Leaders should focus on asking questions rather than providing answers. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Sep 18, 2025 • 42min

Episode 1 - Curiouser and Curiouser with Shane Leaning

SummaryIn this engaging conversation, Shane, Kathryn, and Tamara explore the themes of leadership, change management, and the importance of questioning the status quo in education. They discuss personal experiences with curiosity, humility, and the need for trust in leadership roles. The conversation also delves into the significance of listening to stakeholders, the effectiveness of different leadership styles, and the value of external perspectives in driving sustainable change. The discussion culminates in a call for curiosity and humility as essential traits for leaders navigating complex educational environments.Their takeaways:It's important to question the status quo in education.Curiosity drives meaningful conversations and change.Humility is a strength in leadership.Trust is essential for effective leadership.Listening to stakeholders fosters collaboration and trust.Different leadership styles can be effective in various contexts.Change management requires a community-aligned goal.Questions can unlock deeper understanding and engagement.The Double Diamond model offers a framework for change.Learning from other cultures enhances educational practices.Change can feel hard. If you're currently leading change or planning to do so, this conversation offers advice gained from experience and provides reassurance and helpful pointers so that you can do so thoughtfully alongside your community.Wider reading and resourcesChange Starts Here — ShaneLeaning.comThe Double Diamond - Design CouncilRebel Ideas: The Power of Diverse Thinking - Matthew Syed ConsultingConnect with KathrynLinkedIn: Kathryn Gorman FCCT | LinkedInInstagram: @this.is.clarion Email: kathryn@clarioneducation.co.ukConnect with TamaraLinkedIn: Tamara Zaple Rolfs FCCT | LinkedInInstagram: @this.is.my.deltaEmail: tamara@my-delta.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Sep 11, 2025 • 8min

Why Beyond the Status Quo? Why now?

In this inaugural episode of Beyond the Status Quo, hosts Tamara Zaple Rolfs and Kathryn Gorman discuss the motivations behind launching the podcast, their shared interests in leadership, complex systems, and the importance of values in navigating change. They emphasise the need for curiosity and learning from diverse perspectives, particularly in a rapidly changing world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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