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Halloween 2018 would have you believe that Halloween 2 never happened. But it did happen! We watched it. And we’re going to talk about it god damn it!  Halloween II Poster Halloween 2 can be found on HBO Now/Go right now, but is also available to rent on Amazon or anywhere else that you do that type of thing. Here is the trailer: https://youtu.be/RCiuZ9MvdJs Halloween 2 (1981) Synopsis Halloween 2 picks up right where Halloween left off. Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr. Loomis 6 times. Why do I remember it was six times you ask? Because Dr. Loomis reminds us every time he is on screen. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peekaboo with the audience. Now you see him, now you don’t. Wee!  Review of Halloween II This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled allure of the first Halloween, but doesn’t ever really deliver. Most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Laurie and her friends. In this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film the whole time. Efforts are made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil, and there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back! Other than that, character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie in this film, and she does nothing for most of it. However, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers. Score of Halloween 2 (1981) 5/10 While not a resounding endorsement, it’s more of a confirmation that this is an archetypal slasher. Halloween II (1981) Watch the full movie of Halloween 2 Buy/Rent on Amazon Halloween II (1981) Spoilers Expand for Spoilers Loomis As previously mentioned, Dr. Loomis is really here just to spout off about how many times he shot Michael Myers and wax philisophical about the nature of Michael’s evil. Did I mention the time I shot Michael Myers six times? A lot of his dialogue expanding the lore of the Halloween franchise. When the word Samhain is scrawled on the blackboard in blood, Dr. Loomis explains the significance. https://youtu.be/0PUCi1hJLlc Later on in the car with his colleague, he explains the festival of Samhain as a druid ritual involving human sacrifice. Mentions of witches and ghouls might be there to set up the expanded halloween universe we would only get to see in Halloween 3: Season of the Witch. The opening titles One of the coolest parts in the movie is the opening credits, the jack-o-lantern opening up into a skull will probably haunt my nightmares. Boo! The first part of the movie subverts expectations quite a bit. The first opportunity that Michael Myers has to kill someone is an elderly couple, but he ends up walking away with their knife and murders a teenage girl instead. Also early on, there is a fake out death of “Michael Myers” that later is found out to be just some random kid. Of course we killed the killer in the first 20 mins… The Hospital The bulk of Halloween 2 (1981) takes place in a hospital. From the looks of it, an abandoned hospital. However, this doesn’t keep the skeleton crew of seven of so doctors and nurses from being there. I mispoke. Doctor. There was one doctor in the entire hospital. A drunk doctor. How many reasons do you need to move away from Haddonfield? Deaths in Halloween II (1981) As with any slasher, there are several interesting deaths: Death by claw hammer Death by boiling someones head Death by scalpel Death by needle in the eye Good old fashioned knife-stabbing Being Blowed up Pacing The pacing of the Halloween movies feel really slow compared to modern horror movies, but it does a good job of keeping your attention. This is done mostly from the novelty of the kills, and certainly not from character development. Laurie Strode is Michael’s Sister Laurie is in this movie, but only is in scenes for about 20 minutes of the run time. Her main purpose, other than continuity, is to lend her character to the films most shocking spoiler: Laurie Strode is Michael Myers’ sister. Yeah. Meh. This came a year after Empire Strikes Back, so the cynical part of me says that they were just ripping off the idea. But the idea was easily retconned in later films. In fact the 2018 Halloween completely disregards this film. The Ending of Halloween II There is a final standoff between Michael, Laurie, and Dr. Loomis. Laurie ends up blinding Michael by shooting him in the eyes. This results in the iconic image of blood tears coming down Michael’s mask. In the end, Michael gets blown up by a kamikaze attack by Dr. Loomis. We see Michael burning to a crisp laying motionless on the floor for several minutes. The film goes to great lengths to communicate finality. However, nothing resurrects villains better than earning potential. Michael Myers and even Dr. Loomis star in many of the later Halloween films. Final Recommendations As previously stated, if you are a fan of slashers, this is a must see. It is an archetype of a classic slasher. Thin on story, but thick on kills. It’s an excellent follow up to the original Halloween. 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Multiply a ball to get started. Goto multi mental mortgage dot com slash hmt Equal housing lender Licensed in all 50 states. A. M M. L s Consumer access orig number 69 69 Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny Horror Movie review. Show your panel of expert hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert in Scare No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and whole. Horrible. Uh, whoa ho is like a do cadi or something. What were you just now? And I’m David Day Welcome. Welcome to our little show. Check us out at our website horror movie talk dot com. There you’ll find links dollar, social Media and past episodes and our blog’s on or movie topics. 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What? What can’t David talk nicely about, huh? All right, so anyway, let’s get onto the show. We got a great show today. We’re gonna thio today to kick fuck out in. Trust me. We’ve got a great show. Great. Fucking fuck. It was really It’s a really good show. Once we edit it today to kick off, October will be talking about Halloween. Two more like Halloween. Boo. Thesis is the 1982 Halloween to not to be confused with the Rob Zombie 2009 Halloween, too. Yeah, I believe so. So every episode we start out by giving a brief review and our score for the movie. We score on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being a miserable dredge where it makes you angry. Five being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks and 10 being so good that it transcends genre boundaries after we give our score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about the film. And then later we’re gonna play a game called Attack of the Rotten Tomatoes game. Oh, Lila. And this is a themed one. It’s going to be Halloween versus Nightmare on Elm Street. Oh, we’re gonna pit the two franchises franchises together and you have to pick which one scored higher on run tomatoes. Yeah, Okay, that’s cool. I I actually that’s that’s it. Use that nightmare on Elm Street. I I just got done a now hour ago. I just got done watching. Ah, nightmare on Elm Street. Three Dream Warrior An hour ago Way started watching it last night, and then we fell asleep. So Okay, picked it back up in the morning. You say you got up like five in the morning. That’s right watching We’re committed to horror movies here. Horror movie talk. That’s right. Just 24 7 were watching horror movies. Even though we only review one a week, It’s It is October. We? It’s time to start watching horror movies 24 hours a day. I don’t know. A few people know this, but that’s what we do in October. All right, well, let’s get into the movie. Halloween 2008 would have you believe that Halloween to never happen. But it did happen. We watched it and we’re gonna talk about it. God damn it. Yeah, Here is the trailer. I shot him six times. I am not Universal Pictures. Presents Halloween. Two more of the night he came home way. There was nothing within him, neither conscious. No reason that wasn’t even remotely human. Some kind of a joke. I’ve been figured treated a depth tonight way. Tell Mr Garrett we’re having trouble with. There is no place to hide. He will always find you. It’s a Celtic word Remains the Lord of the Dead Weight. We’re still here. We’ll be with you. Wait. Two more of the night e came home. What? Halloween. To Maura of that type of thing. Okay. A trailer was rid Ebru. Ridiculous. It was absolutely absurd. And the audio, I mean, yeah, it’s probably a lot more effective actually. Watching it, I would assume there’s just a lot of shots going off. Well, Pau, Pau, Pau, Pau Pau will provide the the link to the YouTube. Speaking of the of the trailer on the post in the episode notes. Speaking of shots going off, I gotta warn you, Bryce, I’m awfully gassy this morning, and it is it is a totally different brand. Last night, my wife was remarked is saying, I’ve never smelled that out of you before. I hate it. So we’re just gonna play a game? Yeah. I mean, we were We were talking about this yesterday on steam. Check on in Really steamed check. Real steaming hot steam chat. Uh, yeah, both me and David are experiencing a weird digestive moment. I won’t go too far into it, but just to let you know, it’s it’s no wonder we don’t wantto time offend the delicate sensibilities of of our audience. But we have some very beautiful female listeners. Yeah, that I just don’t want to upset, but we’ve been taking some hot shits. I like really hot. Like like shitting stomach acid burn. Okay, let’s just let’s just dial it back. And so telling David how it felt like my anise was being digested. All right, thank you very much. This disturbed David. It’s not That disturbs me. It’s just that I don’t I’m just not interested. Just does not want a picture. My acid swollen. Yeah, well, there it is for everyone. We you know, I don’t complimenting our listeners and how beautiful some of the some of the ladies are. I’m sure we got beautiful Mente love this shit. I’m sure we got a really beautiful men to, uh, wait, Magnus, That’s that’s for damn sure. Where was he from? Sweden. Yeah, Swedish god of a man. And for some reason, he likes the show. I don’t know what we did. I think we should We should do everything in our power to make Magnus a, uh, an Internet celebrity. Uh, I don’t think it’ll be that hard. It’s not that much of a stretch, you know, it’s just some guy in Sweden. Pretty much anyone in Sweden could probably become an Internet celebrity if they hosted some videos and deal with this place. Why is everyone so beautiful? I don’t know. Howling too. I mean, I got a bunch of Norwegian blood and I look like this, So Yeah, something about I am cold, I guess. All right. Halloween to ah, hello into Could be found on HBO now slash Go. Right now. HBO Now. Now, um, which is unfortunate because I just canceled my subscription last week. I did notice that. And, uh, so we had to rent it. And it’s on never Where else? Where you do that type of thing? Yeah, it’s just not on Amazon, but it is on YouTube. No, it’s on Amazon to rent. I don’t I don’t think it is because Amazon We watched it. Really? It refers me it z It basically tells me, Hey, you got a go ahead and subscribe to HBO. Go. If you want to watch this movie is what it says. There’s a couple options you could subscribe to HBO go or rent it or buy it. That’s weird that it doesn’t even offer me the option. Amazon is weird because it’ll have duplicate listing right of the same movie, weirdly inconsistent, and sometimes it’s free. And then you can find another version that’s not free is really annoying. So, uh, going to picks up right? Where? Halloween. The 1st 1 left off. Um, like, literally minutes after the first of the three movies called Halloween, Right. This is the sequel of Alan. Um, Michael Myers disappears from the lawn after being shot by Dr Loomis six times. Why do I remember it with six times? You ask? Because Dr Loomis remind you every time he’s on screen that he shot him six times in the chest. Michael Myers continues killing the youth of Haddonfield in a deadly game of peek a boo with the audience. Now you see him now you, don’t. We? This film tries to recapture the moody and dread filled a Lear of the first Halloween, but doesn’t really deliver Doesn’t ever really deliver. I don’t think All right. So gassy. Jesus. Get me a real rough. Don’t wave it toward. You’re gonna don’t wait. If you’re me like loud descriptions of your butt, I’m gonna wave Wow! God! Oh, bad Describe it, isn’t it? Isn’t it unique? I’m stopping breathing, man immediately. Isn’t it unique? It’s gonna sweet describe it for the pod and taste it for the pod. Do it. Well, it smells like shit. So there’s that. Okay, um, but most of the interesting parts of the original were leading up to the killing spree at night when the shape is stalking Lori and her friends in this movie, it’s just the third act of the first film. The whole time efforts were made to tack on a story and motivation to fill out the slasher. Dr. Loomis babbles about philosophical and has about the philosophical and historical nature of Michael’s evil. And there’s also a shocking revelation akin to Empire Strikes Back that will get into in the spoilers. I’m sure other than that character development and plot is pretty thin in this movie. The only character we really care about is Laurie, and she does nothing for most of it. She’s only in, like, 25 minutes of it. Really? Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess that seems about right. We could do get a lot of those ah e m t guys and their girlfriends, their nurses, a nurse, lots of disposable hospital staff, and, uh, Anyways, however, if you enjoy kills, this film delivers them at the slow and steady pace of Michael Myers. Yeah, this movie, man, Um, really know what to think about it? I I have remarked several times at this point. Now, just just remember, everybody’s different. Everybody likes different things, So just hold on to your butts. I just don’t I just don’t get Halloween. I just don’t get it. Like I get Friday the 13th. I get a nightmare on Elm Street. I really get child’s play, but I just I just don’t get Halloween. I don’t get what the allure of Michael Myers is. I get. I get Halloween one. I don’t get the rest of Yeah, sure, right? Yeah, that’s yes. Michael Myers is like a blank slate of Ah, villain. I mean, I guess so is Jason. I mean, I don’t even get Friday the 13th that much So So with So with Jason, he was made fun of, and then he was killed at camp, you know, and so he’s got a revenge thing going, So he’s dead. He’s huge. He’s got OK. He’s got the awesome looking hockey mess, which is kind of just bad at you know, it reaches for the bad ass. Sorry. You know, I got a big machete. You got a hockey mask. There’s just a bad ass component to that Mike Myers. He got a little steak knife and he’s got, ah, Captain Kirk mask on. And yeah, he’s very stoic, but he has. No, he has, as far as I can tell, his only motivation. And this is what a lot of people love about him is that he’s just a murderous psychopath like That’s it. There’s nothing more. But that’s so boring to me. And Freddy is so cool. I mean, you just can’t be Freddie for cool, you know, in terms of in terms of shit that happens in in the movie, like so many things are possible when when your medium is dreams. Yeah, I mean, Michael Myers is It’s a different thing. It’s more of like a concept. It’s kind of like it where it’s Penny wise is the the personification of beer. Yeah, Michael Myers is kind of the personification of just pure evil and red. Yeah, just inevitable death. But by simplifying it to that extent, it loses it for me. But so that’s just my opinion. I mean, that’s like, I think that’s the allure of Mike Michael Myers is that and it does it better in the first film of showing that it’s like this faceless being in. Yeah, it does not betray any motivation at all. It’s just he’s there, you know he’s gonna do something. What’s doing there? What was he doing there? What’s he doing behind those sheets is standing. My, he’s There was a lot of shrubbery play in the 1st 1 is a lot of him standing behind next to behind around trouble. Yeah, Like I said, it’s It’s a deadly game of peekaboo, deadly deadly game anyways. Ah, my score for this film. I thought it was perfectly average. I did not particularly like it. I didn’t particularly hate it. I watched it. I get it. It’s Ah, five out of 55 out of 10 for me. Sorry. Yeah. Um, yeah, I’m gonna I Yeah, I mean, I think I give it maybe a six because it was somewhat more entertaining than ah, lot of the films I’ve raided a five. Um, there was some nice boob ege. Very nice, and not that that puts it over one whole point. I’m just saying I’m just saying it does kind. I’m just going down the list here. But I mean it in that it was literally the third act of the first movie the whole way through. It did a admirable job of doing exactly that, right? It was the third act for an hour and 1\/2 right? It’s interesting. What? How? They tried. Thio tried to expand it. Yeah, Yeah, it it felt a little stretched, but yeah, but so, yeah, if I have finally attend for me, uh, if you could just bring your energy down. Looks like one Scotia way. We’re talking about a nightmare on film Street and and how successful they are, which is another podcast. Let me Don’t listen to them. No, don’t. I know you can listen to both. There’s room enough for us in them. Yeah, I think I think anyone listen to this has probably come across Nightmare on Film Street. But again, as I’ve talked about before, the one thing that we don’t have that other really successful horror movie review podcasts have is that while number one they have a woman, they have the female perspective. But, um, the two most successful ones to me are dead meat and nightmare on Film Street, which both feature very young, very, very good looking like core scene looking couples that are very high energy and and work well on YouTube. And ah, we’re not that. And I’m not I wouldn’t describe Mia’s high energy. Well, I mean, but here’s the thing, though, is, um I mean, you’re right, especially especially when it’s something like this, where I just like, yeah, I don’t care that much. Like I think other you know, entertainers, people trying to entertain people with the podcast or probably injecting a lot of energy and excitement about the film throughout. Yeah, just finding the sunny side of watching this film. Yeah, but I feel like I don’t know. Ah, a lot of my energy. And this is why I had to start the positive. A cask Segway. Ah, lot of my energy I get from being angry, you know, right and and I’m good at it. I’m like there’s no one better at being angry or spiteful than May. And so when a movie wastes my time, I feel like you do make up that energy. The worst thing that you can be if you’re looking for a lot of energy out of me is average right, Which this film is. It’s just super average. And you’re not gonna get much. They’re just not fucking anything. Really? Okay, Cool. Yeah, like whatever. I mean, you if you just say it’s a slasher, like you understand the whole the entirety of this movie. Yeah, This movie is ah, high quality, early version of the very trimmed up, well put together slasher. This is you know, this is this is a blockbuster slasher movie, and it’s one of very first ones. Yeah. Um okay, well, let’s Ah, talk briefly about how you guys can help out horror movie talk and probably help out yourself. First of all, let’s talk about her. Patri on. I’m just going to say that we have new tears coming soon because I think that it might be changed by this episode. Release problem like on the cusp of releasing some new tears. So we might be talking about that next episode, but check it out on patri on, you’ll get access to exclusive content and ah, little perks for our patrons and we love you. And thank you for becoming a patron to those that are are a horror movie top founding members, members member, all nine of them. 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So it is the Halloween season. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but October’s Halloween month it’s not just the last day. Oh, yeah, that’s right. It’s Halloween month. And so what we do on Halloween month, we just stream horror movies. And what’s the best way to do that? Head on over to shutter, that’s S H U D g e r dot com And check out all of the amazing streaming, the huge list of streaming shit that they have all about surrounding horror. And, ah, and to give you some of that list. Here we go. Bryce is holding his nose because he doesn’t like the smell of my farts. So we got creep Show, which is a show, a new original show based on the George Romero movie creep show. It’s a shutter original Siri’s. We also have Korean horror movie The Wailing We Got VHS to the Changeling, which I believe you viewed and said it was me. We got terrified, which is one of my very favorite recent terror fists, and we have an episode on that. If you check out our past episodes, yes, we? D’oh! Also, we got the original Halloween is available on Shuter Hollowing for the return of Mike Myers have going five The Revenge of Mike Myers Re animator Hell Raiser We got a ton of queer horror titles If that’s your jam we got Texas Chainsaw Massacre Demons by our addario are Gento demons to black Christmas Shutter Exclusive Phantasm remastered That’s the original Phantasm remastered. And then we got Henry Portrait of a Serial killer which we didn’t episode on and have not released yet Knighted Living dead Couso which is amazing fart movie traders The new binge puppetmaster little list, right, Mandy Summer of 84 It’s all on shutter, so enter HMT it check out and you can get the whole month free. Do it. Um, who was the other thing? Also, they’ve got, like, a really cool original content. I mean, creep shows original, but also, I’ve watched several things that they’ve put out. They’ve got, like, the Joe Bob Briggs. So yeah, the drive in Joe Bob Briggs at the drive in. And they also have a really cool doc on Ah, black horror movies. Yeah, you are. Orin. Worry should check that out he was. Yeah. Shudder. So patri on Amazon and shudder. If you wantto support the show or if you just wanna mail me a check, I’ll receive that. Yeah, well, that would do. We do cash checks, money orders. All right, let’s get into spoilers. Spoiler section. All right, you That was David, but it was not. That is a lie. All right, so, um, Halloween, too. He just He just looks at me, blinks once and then says Halloween too. And then, like, he kind of goes off into another place where he doesn’t have to think about how Going to too much So, yeah, Halloween too. Likely said, it’s It’s just an extension of the first movie. Um, but the hospital. Bryce. How could it be an extension in the first movie if it’s in the hospital lately? Different. Um, what this movie features is lots of Michael Myers slow walking towards people and people not figuring out how to get away from him and also him surprising people by stabbing number, you know, murdering them. The There was a few moments in this movie where I where I was frustrated with Michael. Well, there’s sped up a little bit you could have. You could have had her. Anjali, you’re capable of moving a little faster. Well, now that he was shot six times the least in the heart, so s so it’s got that happening. And then the rest of the movie is Shoot is a showing, Dr Loomis, just spitting knowledge. And, like, philosophical on esoteric stuff about the nature of evil on Michael Myers in its It feels so tacked on. But that that was true in the first movie as well. Yeah. So if you like that in the first movie that he’s got plenty of it here. So it’s It’s funny. See them like Jax Jax Epazote juxtaposed. Jessica disposed until, like, just normal people so relevant. The first element prevail in the first guy that comes out toxins like What’s going on? Uh, trick or treated to death tonight? You know what death is? I’ve been trick or treated to death tonight. You don’t know what death is. All right, guys like load. And if you were that neighbor who’s like Are you serious? I’ve been trick or treated to death tonight. And then the guy responded. You don’t know what death is be like, Okay. Thank fuck you, buddy. Get off my lawn. All right, asshole. Get out of here. I’ll go find someone else to talk to is obviously a trick or treat. This is obviously a treat. This is This is like the version of Lake, um C s I Miami. Uh, David Carradine. When he’s like, I guess he was trick or treated to death. Except now and then I guess he was trick or treated to death. Yeah, he made the motion to put his glasses down. So instead of the who going Oh, you got you got a good old John Carpenter. Been trick or treated to death tonight. You don’t know what death is. Just picture Dr Loomis putting down some shades after he says that. Um, probably the coolest part of this movie is the intro. Yeah, the credits. The jack o lantern with the skull inside is really cool looking. Um, yeah. I’ll tell you what the Halloween movies air really good for is inspiring other better. Uh uh, No, but yes. Also know is inspiring Cool, vintage jackal and turn carvings. Because I last Halloween, I had a blast mimicking the the Halloween from the movie poster Jack o lantern. That’s on the movie poster. You know what? The big sharp knives for teeth? That was a fun want to do, and this one has. And then they have, like, one in the credits. They have, like jack lanterns, that air just kind of there. There’s something like very child like a child. Cut this, but also like a little off and sinister, which is great for Pump it. Um, there’s a couple of times in this film that it subverts your expectations. I mean, that’s just part of the slasher genre. The 1st 1 comes when Michael Myers goes into these old people’s house and you’re thinking, Oh, there’s gonna be the first kill old people, old people gonna die. Nope, he just takes This is what his notes say. They say there’s a way I read. Um uh oh. Old people gonne die. Nope. Eyes literally. What? I have written down People gonne die. Nope. So he doesn’t kill the old people. But then he finds another house with a young team. This is gonna be the goofiest episode ever. Uh, yeah, I’m a little punch drunk. Maybe. How late did you stay up? Was upto like 1 20 What’s the matter with you? What do you do? These things was you know, I gotta do it for the pod, man. You can you get all week I’ve got of things. E have lots of things at night. Um, Okay, so, yeah, there’s there’s some killings and then the bulk of this movie takes place in the hospital and Laurie strode. Jamie Lee Curtis’s character has taken to the hospital or were introduced to the handful of staff in this giant hospital. Like seven people work at this hospital tonight, and I don’t know. It’s like a 200 room hospital. It feels like it feels huge. I can’t imagine how big a hospital in rural in Illinois in the seventies or eighties Waas. You know, Illinois. I thought it was New Jersey. Haddonfield, Illinois field. I know you’re thinking a camp Crystal Lake is in New Jersey. All right. Um, so, yeah, it takes place in this hospital and, like, there’s a lot of just observations you can make about this hospital. Maybe I’ll save some of it for later. But, um, one of the important things is that There’s only one doctor. Yeah, and he’s a drunk, apparently. Well, just came from a party and his like Mm hm. Let me, um, give you a shot. He’s got a steady hand. I mean, right for a drunk doctor is a pretty steady hand, but Laurie is begging them not to put her to sleep. And of course they dio. But it doesn’t amount to anything. Yeah, I don’t know why they would need to put her to sleep. She doesn’t go into surgery or anything. Just has, like, establish. Yeah, they knock her out with, like, general anesthesia. And then what? Like they give her some stitches? It’s like, Wow, that’s a little a little intense. So lots of lots of stuff happens in this movie that happens in slasher genre movies, which is just nonsensical plot points, just like now she’s asleep. Oh, but now she’s running away because the killer’s after an it makes it adds tension or something like that I’m stuck in, is stuck in this door that’s closing and better take off my shirt. Bring out the sweater puppies. Um, so they’re the first part of the movie. They’re kind of hunting down Michael Myers. And there is a fake out, which is one of the most obvious fake outs because it’s within the 1st 10 minutes of the film. Those cop cars is great, like pins. Some soap in it. Well, it pins Michael Myers between her house car in the van and explodes into a ball of fire. And you’re like, Well, there we go, We got him. We have a first, uh, Loomis’s like he’s he’s getting ready to shoot this kid that he sees wearing a wearing the same mask Michael has. And there’s a big struggle over over trying him trying to shoot this kid. And I thought that was pretty funny. And then, yeah, And then instead, he’s saved from having to shoot the kid by a police officer who turns this child into a fireball. It’s great, basically probably chopped the kid in half between the cop car and Savannah that he hit. Yeah, like going like 40 miles per hour down like a residential street. It was an insane explosion that would not have happened, and then just immediately the bodies like burning up to a crisp. And so it’s like, I mean, is there anyone that’s going to think that that’s actually Michael Myers. They all did, because movie, who would end up being just some teenager with the same mask? Also featured in this movie is lots of first person camera work showing Michael creeping about mostly in the first part of the movie. They don’t do it as much later on, but they try toe to bring in the elements that worked in the first movie. Most of the first act of this film fills in the audience with the main plot points of the first film. Mainly that Michael Myers killed his sister when he was a young child and has been in a mental institution for his whole life. And then yeah, like, 10 or 12 years, something like that. Yeah. And ah, he recently escaped and had a murder spree, and Laurie Strode was at the center of it at the center of it. But why do we know why my he’s so fix it in on Laurie? Well, I’ll tell you, this is the spoiler section, right? Well, get ready for the biggest spoiler of Halloween too. Glory strewn his Michael Myers sister. Wait. Is she Are you seriously didn’t catch that. No. Oh, my God. Are you serious? Yeah, I remember them at toward the end. Being like sister, sister, sister. It’s to a twister, but I don’t. Ah. I don’t remember exactly how this it was really quick. Well, there, first of all, that wasn’t actually quick, because are you just trying to make me feel better or is this theirs too quick parts? And there is one where, um, it shows Laurie. And she’s remembering a moment from the past where she’s visiting some kid in the hospital. Yeah, and I mean, it’s pretty obvious at that point that, like, she at least have some sort of relationship with Michael Myers when she was younger. Okay, whatever. The kid isn’t a you know? Yeah. Hospitalized, Sure. And then later, briefly in the car when the doctor or nurse came back to get Dr Loomis toe because the governor apparently told him that he needs to go back to the mental institution for for I don’t know why I like we don’t want anyone from the hospital there in Haddonfield, because reasons so they come and come and get him. And in the car, she’s like there’s there’s something that you need to know. There’s a file that was hidden away because his parents didn’t want. I want people to know we should have told you. You know, this this doctor that’s been on Michael Myers this case for 15 years or whatever and ah, then she said, Laurie Strode is Michael Myers is sister okay? And then he’s like, Well, that’s why he’s here. He wants to finish her off because he killed his other sister and now he needs to kill. This is so in a way, it actually makes sense. Like I get it. I like it. It works, but also in the interest in the barest possible sense. It gives Michael Myers at least a reason to be going after this particular girl so hard. Um, but also it feels super tacked on. And this is a year after Empire strikes back. So it’s not too subtle of a rip off of, like, shocking reveal his family, a member of family relationship. Okay between the villain and the protagonist, I get where, where that that connection is now. Yeah, I didn’t even fucking catch that. You didn’t. That’s like the whole I didn’t even catching about this movie. I mean, it’s it’s weird what we latch on to write, because I could get so much meaning out of movies where there is apparently no meaning it off. This is true, and, ah, and yet there’s very important. It really speaks to the fact that is not an interesting movie. Like, I felt like I could go on autopilot for most of it, and I did so Basically, this movie was supposed to be the end of the story, so it was supposed to be like a self contained, too movie set to and done, and they’re going to do more Halloween movies. That was different topics so harrowing. Three was actually you know, Season of the Witch had nothing to do with Michael Myers. Michael Myers was dead, right? Right. And that’s kind of a trope In the spring, we said, no matter how much you kill Michael Myers at the end of these movies like, yeah, he’s still gonna come back. And that’s common among slashers. Yeah, but so John Carpenter was going to do like a which based one, and then after that one, he was gonna do a ghost based one. And there’s all gonna happen on the day of Halloween, Right? That was gonna be the through line. It was gonna be more of an anthology kind of thing, right? Right, Right. Halloween three did not work out, even though apparently is a better movie from this one? Yes. So I’ve heard we have a blogged. Keith wrote a blogged about it about how season of the witch was basically not given its due. Yeah, and just Ah, financially, it was a failure. And so they decided, make the Supreme Creator decision to be like, Well, let’s just bring back Michael Myers because that’s what people actually and they have ever since. I mean, it’s they should have done whatever, but But this was supposed to be like the last film. And then they have you know, nine other films just enter this. No, I guess there’s eight other films after this, But even in this Siri’s in this timeline before to rebooted, I think there’s feel more so Wow, this idea that Laurie is his sister, I think, is common among most of them. They play really loose with, like Theo timeline for Halloween because the the reboot. All the soft reboot in 2018 completely disregards this film, right? Like because it’s very problematic toe. Have Lori be his sister. They just have to read con that out or just ignore it and just say, Never mind. None of those movies happen, right? Let’s start again. So anyways, but that’s that’s an important point in this movie. Glad you’re paying attention, David. Like you don’t miss that. Yeah, I missed nothing. Um, okay. So lots of horror movie tropes in this movie, first of which, I mean, other than just Carol killer, Um, that unstoppable. What? What are some of the troops you see in this movie? So there’s the phone lines that get cut immediately. So, uh, the killer knows this place like the back of his hand. Uh, he’s he’s ah, he’s so familiar with the hospital that he’s able to find and disconnect the phone line, Uh, before anything else happens in this room. And then, um, the incompetent security guard. That’s got to be a trope, right? The, um yeah, I was gonna say the in terms of horror movies, sex at work. Slashers would be a lot less scary if people were actually competent at their jobs. Yeah, yeah. If this guy wasn’t a gigantic bumbling, you know, 50 year old, because the security guards like here, take this. I’m gonna talking on the radio on the girl that he hands it to, like, you know, some 18 year old several. She’s like, I don’t know how to use. And then he’s gone. It’s like I got to check this thing out. You got my back with this radio. She’s like, how does it just leaves walks out? Um, this is like that. That cop and, uh, in health test or he’s like, Yeah, you’re the guy attacked you. But But what am I supposed to do about it? What am I supposed to do that? Yeah. There’s lots of people in masks here. Check out our view of health test about this time last year. Fabulous slasher. Um, so the the one notable thing is that the pacing is ah lot slower in this film. So seventies early eighties slashers are noticeably slower with even even Michael Myers just walking like we’ve already said, Who’s he’s the slowest villain. He’s by far the slowest, and, ah, and you know eyes. But interestingly, you know, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre before I believe the original Halloween. Uh, yeah, for sure. And faster paced. A CZ far is, Ah, lot of different things. It’s a It’s just a much more disturbing overall premise to May. Yeah, there’s like a combination of liking the ah cinema verite, a kind of stuff from the seventies where it’s trying to be a little more realistic, a little more normal paste. And so it’s. It’s noticeable in this movie that a lot of time, it’s just really quiet. There’s literally just nothing going on. It’s a person standing there for a couple seconds before making a motion or doing something and yeah, its silence. And then, like a little alarm bell goes off or something. What did you call it? Cinema verite? A. What’s that? It’s like very today is like truth or something. So it’s like truth on film. It’s like a way to it. It is a style I a style. It’s just, like, kind of a feel, like a lot of movies in the seventies, like it got, uh, very just it got out of the way in terms of like, lots of cuts. There were longer takes more silence in the dialogue, just more time to let everything breathe. And so that’s definitely something that’s very obvious in at, particularly in the first Halloween. Yeah, so that’s that’s kind of noticeable. If you’re a fan of recent horror movies like you’re gonna be like, yeah, even even the sound is a lot more subtle, like the jump scares. Like it’s not like, really, really loud. So I just kind of like, Well, yeah, the cat one cat one The cat jumps scaring this worked on me by the really Oh, my God. Oh my gosh, I was like Because Because normally, like, ah, Halloween movie is not going to throw a big jump scare at you like, especially in early one. Yeah, I see. I wrote down slow us jump scare ever because it just felt so I’m used to be. I’m used to being hit over the head with it now, especially with, like the conjuring movies and modern jump scare like factories of movies like they have a formula where it’s, you know, quiet, precise and effective, like dread filled music. And then, yeah, yeah, a big, loud sound So you is that this was literally just a guy looking in the dumpster and then account going. I was like, No kitty, Bad kitty. Oh, Speaking of which, bad kitty, my cat brought a live mouse into our house and dropped it on the floor and watched it run away like you fucking bitch. Like I tried to smash it. But it it Ah, it escaped my smash. And, uh, and then I like I It’s just a baby mouse. And look, I know how you’re feeling, Pita. I know you’re out there. I know you’re coming for me, but there’s a mouse in my house and this mouse is turning my house upside down. I see it under the couch like I get up in the morning. It doesn’t know where it is. It’s an outside mouse. It’s like, What the fuck is going on? It’s a baby kind of. And it’s s o. I chasing around and open the door and try to shoot it out. If I can, I’ll smash it. But really, I just hope it runs away so I don’t have to take its life. Did I ever tell you my great white hunter story? know what? Thistles. What? I turned my great white hunters story. Okay, like your Moby Dick move. I’ve gotta I’ve gotta paint a picture here. Um, so, yeah, we had a mouse in the house every once a while, our house would get a mouse that would come in through kind of either. Like, there’s this of this event or something, but it would get through close to where my parents, garbage disposal or the trash compactor was and get into the trash compactor and scurry around in there, and we’d always have cats, and so they usually take care of him. But this one mouse was in our living room, and I noticed it, and I could see it was kind of trapped. It couldn’t, Uh, all I could do is, like, go behind the couch is like it was a sunk down like a step down. Yeah, it was like a tiny, tiny mouse like you’re talking about. So it probably could have jumped out, but it was It was kind of going around the same path. And then I realized that recently I had purchased something. A blowgun up. Logan. Oh, yeah. I never told you this story. I think I think this is starting to become more familiar. So it’s like Bruce Willis and Pulp Fiction when he spots The samurai sword was like the blowgun and, like, blow guns air. Not very useful. It’s kind of fun for like, 10 minutes. You’ve got, like, you put a needle into a tree. Yeah, and you got, like, a little target or whatever, but then it’s got all these acute trauma where you can you can buy the needles that’ll take down like a squirrel. You by a needle that could take down, like something a little bigger, maybe like a bunny or something, the different tips and stuff. So I had, you know, just the normal Neil tips. And then there was one that was, like, just kind of had a flare on it at the tip, like like a like a metal flare. It was like someone hammered it. Okay, Yeah. Yeah. And so it does a little more damage if it goes in. And then the ones that actually use most were like the little yellow pucks that you just shoot it. So wait. It’s a needle with a flare in the needle tip. Uh oh. Okay, so it’s yet just does a little more damage, like not gonna not gonna come out. It’s not just gonna go straight through. It’s like a barbed hook. Yeah, um, but I liked when they sold sold it to me the little yellow pucks that it shoots out. They sold it as like, Well, this is you can just stun him. Like if you find a squirrel that you don’t want your bird feeder, you just shoot it with one of these. It’s not gonna kill him just on him, and it’s gonna go off. I called those. I called those garrett fodder. Yeah, this’d what I used to shoot my brother with. And then you just say, And then I remember he made a note to not let the squirrel see you, cause you want it to not associate your presence with it. Just wanted to associate their commercial that you’re talking about know about it affair or something like that. Oh, so this is a guy pitching this thio Sam ways I had this blow again. So I went and unwrapped the blowgun which was on my sword racked by the by the way, Bryce’s secret. Shame is he used to collect mall ninja swords like a fucking geek. There’s no shame. So they weren’t from the mall. They’re from various country locations around the world locations. Anyways, it took out the blowgun and I went down. And the paint the picture. This is like 14 year old me So still like riel Real chubby fat will just a fence. And I’m in, like, just my tighty whiteys. Yeah, No shirt. Now we’re talking, so I’m like, full Rambo, like, made of native native mode. And I take out my blowgun and I look back the back crack of the couch between the couch and the wall. Nash’s see my foe, huh? And then he spots may start for running away, and I blow and he jumps into the darkness. Just is the needle goes out. I did. Did you get him? You got him? Yeah. Who needle went right through him and pinned him to the ground. Holy shit. That’s the coolest thing I’ve ever heard. I don’t like killing stuff, but I will. And I appreciate the ah, the tam. The marksmanship. Yeah, that’s incredible. So get yourself a blowgun. Did Ah. Did you feel like? Did you feel like a lot of guilt, or were you just like fucking badass right now? Were you like that, Chubby? A 14 year old in his tighty whitey? She’s, like, on top of the world. I was so amazed that I hit him like the chances that I Yeah, I hit him were so astounding. I don’t practice this. It’s not like this is my Yeah, Yeah, And blow guns air. So surprisingly like intuitive. Like it’s pretty easy to Yes, it market takes the concept of Look where you want to throw, right when and it and it makes it even easier because it attach. Is it basically to your nose, right underneath your nose. Where is your sights? But yeah. Yeah, so, um okay, I have probably felt a little bit of guilt, but I was so elated that I that I got him and I showed everyone like, Can you believe that I got this fucking mouse with his blowgun? I’m not gonna lie. I’m proud of you right now. Like is probably It’s probably the best moment in my life. Did he die? And I have three children. Did he die right away was he was dead. Okay. Wow. Yeah, That’s a That’s a clean shot. It was a humane death. I mean, it went right through. Face the chest, chest. All area. Chester area. Yeah, that’s Ah, that’s a common Adam and Emma Tom Mickle term. Anyway, let’s get back to this boring movie. Um, so lots of deaths. So, I mean, that’s what people come to these movies for is like the interesting death. So there’s a claw hammer death. Yeah, which is cool. That’s the security guard that gets killed. There’s some needle in the eye deaths. Yeah, I don’t like those specifically don’t like the needle in the eye deaths. There’s lots of ah, scalpel deaths. So most of this film is Michael Myers with a little tiny scalpel, which is a little less intimidating than a giant butcher knife. Yeah, he Although he does perform some of his most common party tricks like, you know, stabbing you in the back with a scalpel instead of a big, gigantic buoy number and then lifting you off the ground with that scalpel. Yeah, I don’t think it’s Koppel would do that. Wouldn’t you Shut up? Um, also a scalding death. Yeah, So this one is Ah, this is this Death was meant for boob jiggles. Uh, that’s Ah, that’s what it was meant for. A girl is telling herself off and ah, her Michael Myers. It’s like in a therapeutic tub, and Michael Myers turns up the heat to 11. And so it’s like it even has, like, a dial that says scalding as it’s going past it. And somehow just it’s so hot that it just burns off, hurt the first layer of skin, and it’s like sloughing off. Well, hang on, Uncle Myers. His hand is honest. I want to set this up a little bit here. So So she’s telling off. She’s, like, just gotten done fooling around with her boyfriend in the tub. She’s like she caught, puts an end to it. She puts the kibosh on that. She’s like, You’re not getting this tonight. I got to goto work, and so he goes to towel off in the other room. And where my ah, Michael Myers kills him and then, ah, And then, as she’s telling off next to the tub, Michael Myers enters the room, approaches her from behind, lovingly caresses her shoulder, and she’s like, Oh, you know, Sorry. Sorry, boy. And she’s like sucking on his hand. Yeah. You know what we’re like, like, just kind of on. Let me just touch you. Wouldn’t you, like, taste the blood? Or like, I just I don’t know, grossness like Michael Myers his hand. I don’t Guy that was with her just came out of the tub like, yeah, his hand would have been my at least clammy. I feel like if I was gonna suck on someone’s hand, I would be able to tell whether it was my boyfriends or not. Yeah, maybe just saying. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, she she Maybe she’s just maybe she just, you know, like, um so used to sucking on so many different hands that it’s just one of those things where it’s, like the back of her mind. But yeah, she really gave this hand a weird suck. And and then, you know, she turns around and it’s Mike Michael Myers, and she’s like, Oh, God! And then he takes and dunk, sir. Ah, bunch. You know, and, uh, and then get in Slough off her face and that. But Mike’s hand is strangely unscathed. But, you know, maybe, I mean, we don’t get a close up of the hand afterward, and and maybe it was maybe maybe, like the pre dunk suck wet his hand, put a protective layer of Survivor that would protect the fact that he’s holding company having her hair. Maybe it’s like like a glove, right? Like a hair glove hairs or what’s not overthinking other deaths of strangling death, just lots of lots of different. The way is toe kill people that Michael Myers coaster. Except, you know, the one defence is walking a little quicker than normal. Just just okay, just a little faster. So throughout the movie, they tryto had kind of like supernatural elements of they try and tack on a bunch of weird shit. Yeah, 11 of the elements, you know that they try to expand it is Laurie and Michael’s relationship. But then, also, Loomis’s here throughout just trying to kind of expand it into like a supernatural realm that he’s, you know, questionably undead kind of thing. It and then he sees the Michael Myers left like this, writing on a chalkboard and blood that said, Samhain and Loomis had this to say about that. What says it’s gibberish? No, that’s a Celtic word. Samhain. That means the Lord of the Dead. The end of summer. The festival off some aid. That’s Halloween, isn’t it? Oh, play that clip. Had a lot of background sound going on. Yeah, And then there’s this is him actually kind of explaining, Maura, about what? That festival is about to say. The black bag in the elementary school. In order to appease the gods, the Druid priests held fire rituals. Prisoners of war criminals, insane animals, learned alive in basket. By observing the way they died, the Druids believed they could see omens of the future. 2000 years later, we’ve come no further. Sam Main isn’t evil spirits. Goblins goes the witches, the unconscious mind. We’re all afraid of the dog inside ourselves. Please. Yeah, so I mean, it’s trying to expand it into into this trilogy into them. The next generations of this That won’t feature Michael Myers. Yeah. I mean, it’s very obviously like the hypothesis of this movie is like, this is Dr. Loomis is here to say this is kind of what we’re going for. Yeah, and to me. It’s kind of disappointing because if you can’t show that with the rest of the film, if you need someone to spell out, this is what we’re going for. This is like the Lord of the Death, and this is it’s the in country, unconscious mind and it’s blah, blah, blah. All right, I get what you’re I get what you’re trying to do. But it just leaves me saying to myself, Actually, Miss, please, you know when when you were playing, I got two things when you’re playing that clip and the high pitched squealing came in over my head phones. I thought I was hearing something from out outside and I had a panic moment. So that was that was fairly effective. If you watch this movie, listen to it on headphones and get a different experience. But then also Price, I have a question that I think you might be able to help me with, which is a lot of times. So you know, these big these big slashers get, um, you know, get big on the merit of the Creator. Right? John Carpenter, First Halloween. John Carpenter dirt, but writes and directs. Why? But West West Craven nightmare on Elm Street. Same thing. Why is it that they take it out of that person’s hands for the second movie all the time? The second, the third? They’re like, Yeah, John Carpenter can write it, but he was not going to direct. And what is that? John Carpenter didn’t want to direct it like I don’t know. I don’t think him and the other writer actually wanted to do Halloween, too. They were. They said no. Initially, I just read this on imdb. They’re like, No, the first film stands alone on its own. It’s a great movie. We don’t want to extend it because that would. And then you’re like, How about we give you more money? And John Carpenter goes okay, all right. And so they offered him more money and, ah, supposedly this was in the trivia. I don’t know if they actually saw into John Carpenter’s mind, but basically said that he made no money off of the first film. And so the second paycheck. And I think this is true of a lot of creators that have a really, really successful first film, that they don’t have a great deal because they’re unknown or unproven s o. They don’t make a lot of money off of the one thing that I just made a shit ton of money and they do the following ones to make that up. So John Carpenter was like, Well, I didn’t make any money off the 1st 1 and it made a ton of money. So I can kind of get my due by writing the script of this one. And, um and I don’t have to have my name attached to a terrible movie as a director. Yeah, just the writer. Just the one with all the concepts, right? So And it’s it’s kind of interesting when you say you’re not terrible. I don’t mean to say that this is movie. This movie is terrible, but like, if you were look at Nightmare on Elm Street to Yeah, it’s terrible. So So it’s Ah, he wrote it and tried to incorporate elements of some of the more successful, um, horror movies around that time. So apparently the director wanted to make it very much like the 1st 1 and John Carper to win in after that director’s final cut and added some scenes that were more gory because that’s what the kids wanted right in the early eighties. And so it’s kind of like a muddled kind of a muddled movie. I’m really glad I asked that question because this answers a lot. You know, I really isn’t always been confusing to me that why don’t you bring back the guy who did the work like, Yeah, this is the reason It’s good. Yeah, my, um, eso lots of things in this movie here and this is more, more horror trips, a lot of convenient just stuff that doesn’t make sense. And to a certain extent, it’s trying to be dreamlike, like there’s a lot of dream logic in this, where one minute Lori is catatonic. She’s like, See, she’s literally like, not breathing because she’s having a reaction medication and Michael Myers is coming for and you’re like, Oh, no, oh, no, She’s catatonic. He’s gonna get her. And then once Michael Myers opens the door and stabs, it’s just pillows. And then Laurie is now running away because because she woke up and you look just run away. Yeah, just in time, Yeah, Then the other one is like, glorious running away. This is the one. This is the one, like chasing that was the most ridiculous because it’s literally like he’s as far away from her as you are from me right now, which is like five feet. And she decides then to climb up some boxes and open a window and climb out the window after after watching him approach for a good 14 feet. Yeah, for very clumsily and slowly and Michael Myers, like, slowly walks up. And then he kind of waves at her in a way that Ricky Bobby does in Talladega Nights was just like, Don’t know what to do. A hand. I don’t know what to do with my hands, just like Michael might just close your hand. You’ll have her. I mean, I get what they were going for right? Which is which is all the girls in the theatre immediately go. Oh, he’s grabbing at her legs. Is she got but really What? It Yeah, What it really achieves is it makes Michael looks stupid, and and then my this is my favorite part of the whole movie. Once she gets out of that window, then she she’s in another part of like a storage room or something like that in the basement. And she runs around a chain link fence like an L pattern around a chain link fence toe where she sees an elevator and Mike Myers is hot on her tail, moving at the speed of smell. And he he is walking so slowly that she is able to get get in the elevator, goes down three Flory floors. She gets in, it opens the door, you know, agonizingly slowly, like an elevator does. And then it closes. You know, she’s like, Oh, God, impressing the door closed, his hand goes in the elevator issued, or she’s watching him approach over 10 feet while she’s in the elevator going, Please, please close, Please. Please. Clothes. And he can’t speed up one little iota. And then he puts his hand in the door. So you’re thinking it’s gonna open the elevator, but then he just pulls it out on the door. Close the only elevator in the world that does that just like out my hand. Yeah, so there’s lots of that kind of stuff. It’s strangely endearing, though. Yeah, again. In this in this hospital is the most I I think They’re working in an abandoned hospital, and no one told them. Well, hey, wait a minute. This isn’t the hospital with the patients things the old abandoned hospital down on the, you know, old hospital road for 1 to 5. Hospital road? No, for 1 to 6. No, it’s that hospital right there. It’s not this one. They followed the drunk doctor over there, just trusting you. News? Yeah. I mean, and it’s great. There’s actually a scene with one of the e m t s. And he’s all Listen, I can’t find anybody that’s gone. Mrs. Alice is gone. We gotta find Laurie. Listen, I can’t find anyone. Can you imagine being in the hospital that was literally just empty? See? And this is a question that I have to maybe some viewers who are listeners who are older than me. So I’m an eighties kid nineties kid, born in the eighties and, ah, same with Bryce. So we don’t really have Ah, good. We don’t have a good idea about what? You know, maybe middle America. You know, we’re talking Illinois. We’re talking Kansas, Oklahoma. Just good old corn fed motherfuckers out there. What was it like in like the seventies and eighties. Was this an accurate portrayal of the hospital in those toe? I I’m so curious. I just didn’t have accidents back then. They didn’t. Maybe maybe it’s not that they didn’t have accidents, but there just wasn’t very many of them. Or maybe they just let people die a lot of debt. There were a lot more deaths. Yeah, you know, Yeah, I’m very leery is likely. Completely empty. I think the only other patient that we saw was there was a couple babies in the nursery. The loneliest babies with no mother. See, never like they’re just sitting there like, Yeah, so yeah, it’s It’s just it feels dream like it does. Um, but if you’re going for, like, a realistic I didn’t Whatever. So, um, and then the end Michael walks through some doors to go after them. Well said, and the and then Lori shoots him in the eyes. But before she does that, he has to walk through some doors to get yeah, walk through some doors to get torn. Laurie has a gun that Dr Loomis gave and he shoots. She shoots him in the eyes, and then the blood comes out like tears. And I said, Oh, you made him cry for the little guy or Michael Myers And and then he’s blind. And Dr Loomis and Laurie on are on separate sides of the room and they figure out turning on the air is like I wanted them to say he’s attracted to the sound of air because they kept turning on the’s like air container tanks. Yeah, these big the other room, these big tanks containing oxygen and, ah, ether. But wouldn’t Wouldn’t they just fucking pass out if there’s a either just floating around. Instead, Dr Loomis lights a match in. They get blowed up, sacrificing himself. They have blowed up real good, like literally, just a giant fireball explosion ends really? Well, that’s that for sure. And it shows Michael Myers laying on his stomach like literally just burning for probably like a good minute. Yeah, showing them like seemed like it was 30 seconds or so. He is dead. Legally dead D E. D. Dead no more Michael Meyers movies. No, he’s gone. 100%. See is flesh burning office skull. We’ve cashed in this chip. It’s over. There’s just no more go home. There’s no way that they could make four more movies starring Michael Myers and then to re re imaginings. Yeah, yeah, you know, he was still like and also like, movies. Donald Pleasants is in the other movies, too. So apparently Dr Loomis survives as well. Well, there’s a There was a little trip to a burn ward, you know, had some second degree burns anyways, so that kind of ruins. I mean, that’s the thing with these movies, like you have to see him in the time because the fact that you know that they’re seven other sequels is like, Well, he’s still there like that means nothing. That ending means nothing. Yeah, gives it gives a little bit away trying to think. Have we seen any new movies that are going to turn into something big? I guess I guess I When I saw the conjuring, I felt, Ah, I saw that in theaters and I felt like, Wow, this there’s something here And then certainly there has been obviously, I mean, the one that I would point to that I bet would get a sequel is ready or not, but I don’t know how they would do that for how that would be a franchise. Well, I’m sure there are some mildly creative people who will make that happen. Yeah. Ready or not? Probably the best movie. Yeah, that we’ve seen recently. Yeah, for sure. I don’t think they’re going to make a franchise off of midsummer. No. Or hereditary. Now, what if they did make a franchise off of hereditary? Wouldn’t that be great? They feel they feel like I mean, you could he could do a sequel of Hereditary. Yeah, but, I mean, I would I would want it to be Ari Astor. Yeah. Um, yeah. I don’t know. Flashes. I think slashers do super well anymore right now. I mean, I guess Halloween 2018 made a ton of money. Yeah, and I thought there was gonna be I thought there was gonna be a sequel to that this year. Actually, is that next year? Okay. 2020. Yeah. Okay. Um, so, yeah, that was that was the movie lots of, Ah, stabbing. Lots of slow walking. Yeah, lots of ah, lots of scalp. ALS. I mean, it’s it’s interesting, because, like, if you were gonna watch the first movie might as well, just tack on this one, too. It just to see where that self encapsulated story where the original vision would have stopped. I don’t have a problem with this movie. To be clear, this movie does not suck. It is not a bad movie. No, In fact, I thought it was like I really do think it is interesting that it’s not like there’s no laughable parts or like, parts that I’m rolling my eyes out. It’s just very trophy. It’s like, Yep, that’s that thing. Yeah, and part of that is this is the like. This is the standard centre for tropes. Like this is where a lot of those started, right? So, yeah, we look at him. Now we go. That’s so hacky. Like a look at that hacky bullshit. But yeah, it’s hacky because it started it like that. This was this started a whole movement. And I do think it’s interesting that it that it literally picks up seconds after the 1st 1 and just carries out the rest of the night. Yeah, so yeah. So final recommendations, man. Uh, you know, if you’re doing if you’re doing a watching of of all the Halloween’s or something like that. This one is not one to skip. In my opinion, Yeah. So do that. This this Halloween click through our link on Amazon. Watch this movie on Amazon. Rent it. All right, please. Yeah. I mean, if you like slasher movies like this is I mean, obviously the Halloween franchise or something that you should definitely touch on. Yeah. One and two. Probably some of the most important ones on. So I think like out of them that people talk about theirs. Having one into There’s three. I think three is is Yeah, three. Notable in how different it is. But it’s not. I mean, it’s weird even include that in this franchise. It’s like its own thing, too. Yeah, but I think that’s why I mean, why, um h 20 this. It’s a lot of attention. Had some rapper in it in there. No, that was another one. Know it for sure. H 20 Definitely. I got it. Now. I gotta look this up. No, there’s one. Because that was 1998 99. There was Halloween. Resurrection had Busta Rhymes. Okay, Okay. I was thinking about Lep in the hood. Leper con in the Oh, yeah. Um, I think h 20 um I mean, the 2018 Halloween one got really good scores we’ll see about. Okay, so h 20 in the return of Michael Myers Got some good stuff. So I think, like, I think number three No. Yeah. So yeah, 12 and four and then skip to H 20 is probably where you should go. Well, in terms of like, the original, lots of people, lots of people. There’s a lot of controversy around the Rob Zombie remakes, Um, personally, it way too gross and, um, horrific for me. But, um, but they are notable in that some people definitely prefer the backstory of Mike Myers and why he is the way he is. And, ah, and Rob Zombie does kind of delve into it in his two movies. I’m looking at the cast for H 20 right now, Obviously, Jamie Lee Curtis. But other notables. Our Josh Barnett and Joseph Gordon Levitt. There you go, Joseph Gordon Levitt in 1998. Like coming right off 1\/3 Rock from the Sun. Joseph Gordon Levitt. So let’s play Attack of the Rotten tomatoes, Right, mate? Hey, that’s one of my favorite. That’s one of my favorites, too, because we have thio say rotten, right, because we’re too lazy to record it. Uh, okay. So, like I said, this version of Attack of the Rotten Tomatoes, we’re going to be pitting Halloween against Nightmare on Elm Street. I’m going to give you two one from each franchise. And I tried to param up a cz close to the years as I could. So you try to go like, like, one like like householders. And there’s a couple of them that are the same year, so yeah, you’ll see. Okay, So let’s let’s start with the first films, though. So Halloween 1978. Okay, the original versus the original a nightmare on Elm Street, which was in 1984. So that’s the biggest separation that we have. And we’re going off of the Taito Meter score. That’s the critics scores the critics aggregate score. Let me think here. Okay, so Halloween, which is so iconic that it’s, you know, arguably birth the slasher genre in and of itself. And then we have the original nightmare on Elm Street, which is, um, extraordinaire also extremely notable in that, you know, Freddie is probably the most iconic slasher villain ever. So, um, I gotta say, I think I think John Carpenter gets a little bit more traction with the critics than West Craven. So I’m going to say the original Halloween. You are correct. Oh, by Halloween. Got 96 down Nightmare on Elm Street at 94. So you in close? Yeah. You close? I don’t even think my logic for that stands up. I think that’s just anomalous thing. Yeah. Next we have Halloween four. The Return of Michael Myers, made in 1988 available on Shuter and a chipped A Nightmare on Elm Street. Four. Both four’s the Dream Master. Okay, so how in four? Directed by Dwight H. Little and Mark Cunningham And starring Donald Pleasants, Ellie Cornell and George P. Wilbur. You know those stars? Big names, Dream Master. It was directed by Reni Harland starring Robert Englund, of course, Lisa Wilcox and Danny Hassle. This is tough. Um, I have I’ve seen neither. I was thinking about watching Halloween four on Shuter. Um, but I haven’t yet, so I think for this one I’m going to go Halloween again because I have heard good things about that one, and I have not heard almost anything about ah, name and Elm Street for So that’s what I’m saying. You hear a lot about dream warriors Dream Warriors? Yeah, is three, but this is the next one dream Master. Um, you are wrong. Oh, wow. Nightmare on Elm Street. Four got 55. Okay, so just under fresh, I think freshest 60. Yeah, something like them. So it’s really split right down the middle for critics. Halloween four got 30% hoof. Um, yeah, which is actually more than to. I think two is, like, 30. So, um, a little, maybe a little better than the one we watched. Uh, might be interested in whatever. Okay. How in five. Revenge of Michael Myers Directed by Dominique Oh Thelen Gerard Starring Daniel Harris, Donald Pleasants and Wendy Kaplan vs A Nightmare on Elm Street five. The Dream Child in 1989 both in 1989 that when it’s directed by Stephen Hopkins Starring Robert Englund, Lisa Wilcox and Danny Hassle. The same cast His last movie, Dream Child fucked me up. It it is It is the reason I slept with the lights on from ages five or six until, like, nine. Not joking. Yeah, because I’ve mentioned this before in podcast. My family had pay per view because we had one of the gigantic satellite dishes in the eighties. And Ah, and this was on and, like, 90 or something like that. And I was just a little boy. And I caught, um, Freddie become birthing himself out of a woman’s like stomach, like with his claws on da. And that fucked me up, buddy. Like so just based on that, I’m gonna have to say, um, Dream child you are Could react. No, baby. Yeah. Helling, five. Revenge of Michael Myers got 13. Wow. And that is not, uh, nightmare on Elm Street. Five Got 32. Dang. Okay. Still not great. Not great. Not good. A 22 scarring for May, for sure. All right. Next in 1995 Halloween Curse of Michael Myers. This is Howling six Directed by Joe Chappell Starring Donald Pleasants, Paul Rudd’s and Mitchell Ryan. I’m really interested to see what a Halloween produced in the dead mid nineties looks like. Yeah, you know. And then West Craven’s new nightmare and was in 1994 so a year earlier. Directed by Wes Craven starring David Newson, Robert Englund and Heather Langenkamp. Which is the girl from the first movie. Never heard One thing Heather Langenkamp is in dream Warriors. Well, never heard one thing about Halloween six, but I’ve heard lots of good stuff about a new nightmare. So I’m gonna say, Newman, New Nightmare. You’re correct. Yeah, this is probably the biggest spread of points. Wes Craven’s new nightmare Kind of a soft reboot. Yeah. Franchise got a 78 damn 2nd 2nd highest score for that franchise. And pretty sure, um, hello in six. Got a 606% power and red Poor Paul Red, Do you think Do you think when, like the howling franchises brought up in front of Paul Red, Do you think he’s like, you know, I was in a Halloween? Or do you think it was like, What? Oh, yeah, that seems like it’s ah, interesting franchise sixths. And that’s I mean, it’s strangely fitting that Halloween six got to six. Um, okay, so you’ve already got three. So you’ve won the game, but I got two more. Okay. Ah, Halloween Resurrection 2002 Directed by. Dick Rosenthal Starring Buster Rhymes, Tyra Banks and Jamie Lee Curtis. Damn Tyra Banks in her hottest nous. Uh, and who else? And Jamie Lee Curtis? Probably in her Hodess n’est staying And that was that was right after true lies. So what is it, really? I never I never saw true lies. But what is it about? What What is it about? Never seen true life. Okay, I just never have understood people like my dad would be like watching Halloween like he doesn’t watch horror movies. And he’s like Jamie Lee Curtis is the one more Ryan. What the fuck are you talking about? Why does everybody think Jamie Lee Curtis is so hot? Well, there’s a couple movies. There’s trading spaces. She prayed, plays a hooker in that one, and she’s got a nice bod. Um, true lies definitely shows off pretty nice bod like I mean, I get it, Okay, I totally get it. And you see, I guess I need to see true lies you gotta see truly. It’s like one of the best action movies ever made. That’s that’s why I’m just not interested in it. I guess. Yeah, it’s It’s like, Well, it’s James Cameron. Okay. Oh, I did not know that. We’ll watch that. Um okay. Versus our back to the game. Freddy versus Jason, which is 2003. A year later, directed by Ronnie You, starring Robert Englund, Can cursing her and Monica Keena. I went to see that in theaters with a bunch of my friends, and it was hilarious. I’m gonna say a resurrection. Was that the other option? Uh, yeah, I’m gonna say resurrection because Freddy versus Jason was terrible. And I’m sure critics didn’t even jokingly like it. Buster Rhymes did not pull through. It was actually Ah, Freddy versus Jason. That got a higher score. So Halloween Resurrection got an 11 hoof and Freddy versus Jason Got a 41. Wow, that’s a lot more than I would have expected. I would have expected 11 vs, like 14. Still not fresh, but yeah. Dang right. Direction must be fucking awful. Can you even imagine how bad it would have to be to have like to be up against Freddy versus Jason and be like, yeah, definitely friendly first, like, not even comparable universes apart. Also, I think it’s like lower expectations. If I mean Freddy versus Jason, it’s such an exploitative concept. That’s not like anyone’s gonna expect lots of introspective dialogue there. Anything in that movie? Um, okay. Last one h two Halloween, too. The 2009 version. Not the one that we reviewed. This one’s directed by it. Robert Zombie murdering Malcolm McDowell, Brad Dourif, which I think is the voice of Chucky If I’m remembering, Right and e, I think Brad am something. Something Anyway, I’m not sure. Well, now we gotta check now. We have to You have to check because Bryce has to be right all the time. Mark Hamill is the voice of new Chuckie. Yeah, Brander. Oh, yes. Yeah, I was right. Oh, so it is. So you know so, yeah. Brad Dourif was an H 20 k and Tyler Mane versus a Nightmare. A Nightmare on Elm Street 2010. The Reboot, Directed by a Samuel Bear starring Rooney, Mara, Kyle Galle, Honor and Thomas Dekker. This is the 22,010 reboot Eso Keith wrote a blogged about this. And how the reboot not not necessary. Um, and I trust Keith’s opinion very much, eh? so I’m gonna go ahead and say, Robert zombies flick H two. You’re correct. Maybe. So. You got four out of six. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Ellen has a much worse track record than nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah, apparently not. That nightmare on Elm Street got better than average scores, but slightly better. Hey, I got a quick question for you. Of the what I would consider the original slasher. Ah, like the big the big hitters, I’d say there’s five, right? I’d say there’s Friday, 13th Halloween nightmare on Elm Street. Um, and I don’t know where the fifth, where I had the idea that there was 1\/5 but it’s child’s play be a child’s plays, is the other one Which of those of what you have seen thus far, Which of those Siri’s do you enjoy the most, Um and why? No, I think it’s kind of a tie between ah, nightmare on Elm Street and child’s play. It’s just more creative, like there’s lots of more ways and go with it. I think I think the villains are both, like about on par with each other in terms of interesting and and menace. Yeah, like I’m really appreciate child’s play And how how fucking disturbing that movie actually is like, and And I feel like I can get behind the comedy of all the rest of the child’s plays and the cultish kind of feel of it. You know, the runner up for me is definitely Friday the 13th though while I’ve only seen a handful of them, like specifically, the 1st 2 are so good. I really enjoyed him. Ah, lot. So, yeah, I think most slashers just blend in together and like, it just has to have an added element for me If it’s just a guy killing people. Yeah, I don’t know. Gonna fart on rice here. All right, let’s wrap up so we can have a hellhole with fart infested. We got to record the after pie. Uh, thanks for listening. I don’t know what it is about, and I just always assumed that this one will be a quick one, and then we hit, like, an hour 30 anyways. Yeah, it’s just the way it is. Well, we had to tell the great White Hunter story, so thanks for listening. 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We streamed The Invitation on Netflix, where it has lived for quite some time. This is a movie that I enjoyed watching the second time around almost as much as I enjoyed watching it the first time. It’s tense, and feels strangely real – making it quite effective. The Invitation Poster Logan Marshall-Green looking the way I look at social functions The Invitation Synopsis The Invitation is a 2015 movie directed by Karen Kusama that follows protagonist, Will (Logan Marshall-Green) and his girlfriend Kira (Emayatz Corinealdi) who are on their way to a party that they have been invited to. The party is being hosted by Will’s Ex wife, Eden (Tammy Blanchard) and her new husband David (Michiel Huisman).   The Invitation Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kJV7c9eKA A bevvy of Will’s old friends are also in attendance at the party, which, everyone agrees, seems weird. This air of weirdness follows the party through conversations and asides in bedrooms, kitchens, and lounge areas until we learn the reason for the party – to introduce everyone to this sweet new cult, known as The Invitation. Eden and David are joined by two personal friends, a flirty woman named Sadie (Lindsay Burdge) and a big, strong, man named Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch).  As the party progresses Will becomes increasingly skeptical and worried about the intentions of his hosts but no one else seems to share his feelings of paranoia and dread. Even when his hosts are caught locking the doors with a key from the inside, the party continues. How will this party end? Short Review of The Invitation The Invitation is an incredibly well crafted movie from beginning to end. It’s use of camera work, acting, casting, direction, soundtrack; it’s all intentional and skillful. This movie plays perfectly to me, the feelings of dread and seemingly unfounded, but strangely well-founded paranoia is right in my wheelhouse. Watch The Invitation The Invitation Full Movie Click Here to Watch I think my favorite part of The Invitation is the discomfort that you feel in a party is so well intoned, and all of the acting matches so well with the characters and their desires/intentions. It feels real, and it feels upsetting, and I love it.   The only real criticism that I have of The Invitation is that the pacing slumps a teeny tiny bit in the middle, but I feel like it makes up for it with an incredible crescendo of an ending.  Score for The Invitation 10/10 What I Love About The Invitation This movie takes a hard look at the human psyche, and at how we experience suffering and loss. It puts a magnifying glass on what we are willing to do to avoid the feelings of pain and suffering that haunt us throughout our lives. It also does everything right. Check Out Our Review of Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/14/scary-stories-to-tell-in-the-dark-review/ Soundtrack for The Invitation This movie is mostly quiet, which goes a long way to accentuate the feeling of doom and foreboding that they are going for. What soundtrack there is is mostly played on solitary stringed instruments, and boy does it work. The minimalist approach works perfectly here and this movie really can drive a knife through you with only a violin. Lighting for The Invitation See this warm lighting? Gorgeous. The color palate and lighting on this movie are intentionally dim and warm. It feels like a cozy dinner party in a mid-century modern house, and it also feels quite extravagant. I love the lighting in this movie because it simultaneously suggests that you should feel comfortable and is able to pull off the “you can’t see well, and that’s mildly unsettling” vibe. Casting for The Invitation The casting in this movie is superb because everyone so naturally fills the role of their character that I feel like the events of this movie actually took place. Two of the most important characters to cast correctly are Pruitt (John Carroll Lynch) Sadie (Lindsay Burdge). These are the cult members who no one but Eden and David know, and they are there for the express purpose of getting or making people fall in-line with accepting the cult. Check Out Our Review of Paranormal Activity 2 https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/07/paranormal-activity-2-review/ Sadie plays an unhinged sex kitten so well that I have a hard time believing that Lindsay isn’t exactly that. And Pruitt is such an impressive force of a man to contend with that I now view John Carroll Lynch in a totally different light. He is well-known for his roles as the suburban dad character, or boss, but now I just see him as a terrifying man. Spoilers for The Invitation Killing the Coyote The Invitation starts out with Will and Kira driving through the Hollywood Hills on their way to this party, and as they are driving the hit a coyote, injuring it. Never is there a dog, or coyote in frame, so for the squeamish, don’t worry too much. I will say that, while I normally detest movies that kill dogs for an emotional rise in the audience, I think this works well to set the stage for the rest of the movie. It speaks to the theme of suffering present throughout the movie, and it tees up the a sense of unease when Will does the right thing and clubs the poor pup to put it out of it’s misery. Arriving at the Most Awkward Party Ever Will makes it clear to Kira and the audience in the car that this party is being held by his ex-wife and her new husband at her lavish family home that he and his ex once shared. Just knowing that tidbit, how could it not be an awkward party? Check Out Our One Year Extravaganza Pod! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/07/31/one-year-anniversary-extravaganza/ Somehow, the party seems even more forced and awkward than one being thrown by your ex-wife has right to be. Everyone present at the party is a friend of the ex-couple and seems to acknowledge the feeling that this party is a bit weird. The Reason for the Party Will meets Eden in the kitchen and she makes a declaritive statement that she is doing “much better” and is, in fact, more happy than she has ever been in her life – which seems to boggle Will. Apparently they share a deep-dark past. She says, “Pain and suffering are optional.” As the group coalesces in the living room they are formally let in on the reason for the party – The Invitation. This is the name of a cult that everyone in the room recognizes as a cult. David (who we now know is a cult member) disputes the idea that The Invitation is a cult with a video from the cult (great way to dispute that you are a cult, right?). David, Eden’s new husband, and Eden The video details some vague explanation of how the human brain can heal and can be rewired to avoid trauma. It invites the watches to an enlightened existence – you know, cult shit. Then it shows footage of a young woman in bed who dies on camera! This visibly and predictably upsets the party goers. The Two Friends of Eden and David are…Weird Sadie and Pruitt are probably the best inclusion of characters into this film. They are the “x-factors” that make everyone wonder what is going on. Sadie is clearly there to be a sex kitten, meant to draw in wayward men and help with the inhibitions of worried women. Pruitt is the muscle. But for what? Why would the party need these things? We don’t know until the end, but it can’t be good to have to have these characters. Where is Choi!? As the movie progresses Will receives a voicemail through the otherwise spotty cell service at the house. The message is from Choi, a character that didn’t show up to the party when everyone else did. Everyone has been offhandedly mentioning him and how flaky he is, so until this point it seems like the absence of Choi has been easily explained away. Will sees David lighting a red lantern in the backyard, which is weird. Wanna See the Craziest Movie Ever? Kuso! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/15/kuso-review/ The message that Will receives is from Choi stating that he made it to the party early, and he will see Will there soon, whenever Will gets there. Now Will is on high alert, and after he watches a video from the cult leader saying, “I know this will be hard but I can’t wait to see you…” Will knew everything was wrong. Will Blows Up While dinner is being served Will blows up and asks where Choi is. He explains that he received a voicemail from Choi and he should be here, but he isn’t, and “Why not!?” At that exact moment, Choi walks in the door, making Will look like he’s nuts. The REAL Blow Up When the desert wine is being served, Will starts to put all the pieces together and blows up again, smashing everyone’s wine glasses and insisting that they not drink it. Everyone looks at Will in disgust, but this time Sadie attacks him saying, “You ruined everything!” It’s at this point that the movie flips the switch. Look at that Tom Hardy looking guy (Logan Marshall-Green) Sadie gets hurled into a desk by Will, bumping her head and being knocked unconscious. As one of the guests begins administering medical attention to her, everyone notices that Gina is passed out on the table foaming at the mouth having been the only person who tasted the wine. David executes the guest who is trying to help Sadie with a pistol, and suddenly the party is over. As Pruitt kicks into high gear killing everyone in sight, Will and Kira do their best to stay alive. The Bone Chilling Ending When the dust settles only Will, Kira, and another guest are left. As they walk out of the house into the backyard and view the Hollywood Hills beyond, they see hundreds of red lanterns, signifying “the deed has been done” amoungst the Invitation cult. They hear gunshots, screams, and sirens echoing through the valley. Final Recommendations for The Invitation This is a unique thriller that’s similar enough to the home invasion sub genre of horror that it will scratch that itch if you have it. Otherwise, If you like thrillers or movies in general, you should watch this.

After multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk on Netflix. We regretted our decision. This film is all blubber and no craft. Kevin Smith proves his limitations with this failure of a body horror film. In this Tusk Review episode we break down what went wrong and what went right with the execution. Tusk Poster Also, the face I would make if I was forced to watch this movie again. Tusk Trailer https://youtu.be/BCQJnOn0ru0 Tusk Official HD Trailer Tusk Movie Synopsis This horror movie is brought to you by the same guy that brought you Yoga Hosers and Cop Out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke craigslist personal ad. In Tusk, Justin Long, plays Walrus, I mean Wallace Bryton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft (Haley Joel Osmond). Their podcast is mostly based off of making fun of internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movie universes equivalent of the Star Wars kid. Watch Tusk Tusk Full Movie Click to Watch Tusk When Wallace arrives, he finds out that unfortunately, his interviewee has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace then discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar. He goes to meet an enigmatic retired seaman named Howard Howe played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drugged and captive to Howard’s twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense.  Short Review of Tusk Sound interesting? It’s not. Tusk is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premise is entertaining enough for a fake trailer, but not a feature length film, and definitely not with Smith at the helm. I expected a lot more, but the commitment and budget did not pull off the intense and twisted body horror tale necessary to hold my attention. It was shot in 15 days with $3 million and it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that. Check Out Our Review of IT (2017) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/ Instead of focusing on the dread of slowly being turned into a Walrus, Smith focused on creating a panoply of redundant characters delivering redundant dialogue at length. For a body horror film, there is very little care given to the design and shooting of the actual body horror. Smith blows his load halfway through the film and really has nowhere to go after that. Score for Tusk Movie 2/10 Origin of the Idea of Tusk The movie is based on a fake ad from Chris Parkinson from Brighton, England. He offered free rent to anyone willing to dress in a walrus suit and pretend to be the animal for two hours a day. The advert was a hoax, but after Smith discussed it on his Smodcast podcast with co-host Scott Mosier, he began to think about mull the idea of turning it into a feature film. “Something snapped in my brain, and it’s only happened one other time in my life.” That other time was 20 years ago, when “I wondered why people didn’t make movies about me and my friends talking about movies and pussy and ‘Star Wars.’ So I did, and it was ‘Clerks,’” Smith said. The Good Elements of Tusk Michael Parks is undeniably, a great actor, and he gets to display his talents well in this movie. Kevin Smith states that he wrote the film specifically for Parks, and wouldn’t make it without him. My favorite moments in the film were him doing a little delighted dance watching his victim, and him yelling ferociously as a whining Justin Long. Spoilers for Tusk Expand for Tusk Spoilers The first thing you need to know about this film is that director Kevin Smith is a bullshitter, and he writes like a bullshitter. All of his characters sound like bullshitters, and it’s bullshit. Much of this film is taken up with repetitive dialogue and unnecessary exposition. Kevin Smith’s Failures The direction on this film is truly terrible. Arbitrary flashbacks, forecasted super obvious plot twists, and terrible pacing marred the movie. But the real tragedy is the fundamental misunderstanding about what makes a body horror film work: dread, and disgust. Check Out Our Review of Ready or Not https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/ In terms of storytelling. the movie blows its load way too early. No care is given to extending out the dread or body transformation. The main spoiler of the film is that Howard Howe surgically transforms Wallace into a Walrus. The Walrus-Man Reveal The reveal is terrible. It looks so much worse than I expected. If you were to imagine in your mind a human surgically turned into a walrus, take that idea, but then think of what a cosplayer of that idea at a Topeka, Kansas comi-con would look like. That’s along the lines of what the walrus-man looks like. Parks and Long sharing a moment of regret for appearing in Tusk. Smith made the worst possible decision, and decided to show the Walrus in flat medium to wide shots for the rest of the film. There it is, in all it’s… glory. A note to future budget filmmakers: if you have a terrible cheap looking monster design, go the Jaws route and don’t show it. Mocking Canadians. Lamely Instead, what Smith focused his story on is lame humor mocking Canadians. Remember that Canadians say “aboot” and “eh”? Well, too bad, Kevin Smith is going to remind you how hilarious that is for an hour and 45 minutes. Johnny Depp is in this film, and exercises a ridiculous, yet still unfunny French Canadian accent. The beret is a subtle touch. The only real reason that Johnny is in this movie is because his daughter along with Smith’s daughter play clerks in a Canadian mini mart. One of the most interesting scenes is probably the one where Depp and Parks play opposite each other and compete to see how much of the scenery each of them can eat. https://youtu.be/NPJPphUnM58 Again… subtle. The ending features a fight to the death between Howard Howe in a Walrus suit and Wallace as the transformed Walrus monstrosity. Long wins. Who cares? In the epilogue, Wallace is shown being visited by his former girlfriend and former podcast co-host who then toss him a fish to eat. Final Recommendations I can’t in good conscience recommend this movie. It is streaming on Netflix right now, so if you already have a subscription, you could watch it for free. However, you could save a lot of time by just fast forwarding to the scene where Wallace meets Howard, and the scene with the transformation reveal. Everything else is unfunny blubber. 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Get tickets at: https://www.cinelifeentertainment.com/event/halloween/ Brendan Fraser Is “All In” for a New ‘Mummy’ Movie Should the Opportunity Present Itself Hollywood collectively replies: yeah… we know Shudder Released a Trailer for their original film “Blood Machines” https://youtu.be/jLHhr8Xc4AM Andy Muschietti Details Two Deleted Scenes That Would Be Part of Potential Supercut of Both ‘IT’ Movies Amanda Seyfried in Talks to Star in Netflix Horror Thriller ‘Things Heard & Seen’ Toni Collette Joins the Cast of Guillermo del Toro’s ‘Nightmare Alley’ MoviePass Shuts Down, With Parent Company Citing Failure to Raise Funds Full Transcript of This Episode Expand for Full Transcript of HMT Episode 63: Tusk Review this episode of horror movie talk brought to you by your wife’s moisturizer. You’re a man, so you don’t care about soft skin. But you also want to do unspeakable things with those sandpaper textured hands. 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We’ll be given a brief review and our score for the movie we scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being a miserable dread that make you angry. Five. Be an average film that hits all the expected marks and 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. What are those? I don’t know. Those are big words. After we give our score, we’ll get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we liked and hated about the food fil film move movie. My takeaway on this Is that your impression of professional radios? Are they are they? They talk so quickly that there nearly in conference about you’re just like Oh my God, there’s words coming at me quickly. Most most radio personalities probably enunciate. That’s that’s where they’ve got me. So, um, take a deeper dive in the light. What we like to hate about every move leader will be doing taglines choked on my coffee. Uh, would you be doing taglines and horror movie news? Oh God, those other podcasts that like our super high energy and it’s just one person talking after the other over. I just started listening toe last podcast on the left. They have, like the series on the Mormon religion, and it’s just like back. I don’t know if it’s the editing or they’re just like each just waiting to spring on each other after someone finishes a sentence. Yeah, yeah, I mean, it’s a strange thing. It’s like what you grew up listening to write, which is, like, for me. It’s Stern and Opie and Anthony and neither of those format and then Adam Corolla, you know, And none of those formats were ever, like, jump on you. Yeah, it somehow like there was there was like, there’s, like, a couple different echelons of radio, you know? And the echelon right below the the one that I like, Uh, which is, you know, just a talk variety. Our kind of thing is, you know, a professional deejay, right? Or just like a morning zoo. Yeah. Lower morning zoo. Exactly where it’s just like, Good Lord. Are you insane? And the answer is kind of Yeah, yeah. Anyways, we’ll have to do I That’s we’ll have to build up endurance. I think that’s a far as I can go today. I Yeah, I mean my sphincters a little wobbly after it’s it’s alarming having you and you haven’t even talked having you know it’s alarming because your energy is palpable and it’s not normal. Normally there’s a little bit of, ah, black hole on that, Andi. So I’m Ah, so right now I’m I’m a little overwhelmed. Okay, Um, so let’s let’s get into the movie. Um, I just want Yeah, my levels were right. So after multiple patrons and listeners requested, we sat down and watched Tusk. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. It’s available for free streaming on Netflix, and we regret our decision. What the fuck is the matter with you? People like you think we aren’t gonna go hard in the paint on you? We will wage war. All right, here’s the trailer. Always do sober. What you do drunk. I’m gonna teach you to keep your mouth shut up. Hemingway said that? Yes, he did. He said it to me. I don’t want you to go to Canada. Its form for the podcast. It’s what I do. I travel around and I interview weird or interesting people. So look out, you crazy. Canucks 100. Wallace takes a raunchy road trip up to the great White North. Hello. I have an old man who has enjoyed a long and storied life at sea and after e owns oceanic adventure. I know. I do not wish to spend my remaining years alone. Why have stories to share? How far is by frost from here? It’s about two hours from here to a dude two hours away. Hate American guys. Good evening. Nice to meet you. Could I interest you in some tea? So what happened after the boat sank? I was alone. I’m dead or something. Very swift and frightening. Moved by me. A walrus saved your life. The walrus is far more evolved in any man present company included. Thank you. You’re welcome. There, there. And we all ride Mr Tough. He hasn’t called me in three days. I’m worried. What? You really morning your humanity. I don’t understand the hell I want to be human back. Wait, So I think Yeah, watching that trailer reminded me why I wanted to see the movie. Because the trailer is actually pretty great. It looks like a very promising movie because it doesn’t show you. Oh, man. So this is this is a hit piece. This podcast right now, if you’re a huge fan of task Well, first of all, I don’t know if we can be friends. Yeah, second of all, we’re going to tell you why you’re wrong. Tusk is a horror movie brought to you by the same day that brought you yoga, hosers and cop out. He now brings you a body horror movie based on a joke. Craigslist personal ad. Justin Long plays walrus. I mean Wallace Brighton, who runs a podcast with friend Teddy Craft, played by Haley Joel Osmond. You remember him right there. Podcast is mostly based off of making fun of Internet cringe videos, and as such, Wallace flies to Canada to interview this movies. This movie universe is equivalent of the Star Wars kid. When Wallace arrives, he finds out, hilariously that his interview he has killed himself. Desperate to find material for their upcoming episode, Wallace discovers a bizarre personal ad in the bathroom stall of a bar, which is normally like a really good idea to respond to personal ads inside shady bars. Yeah, no, but this didn’t work out too great for him. He goes to meet an enigmatic, retired seamen named Howard. How semen way. We’re no better than the movie now played by Michael Parks. Mr Howard tells tale of his adventures at sea and of a particular shipwreck where he was miraculously saved by a passing walrus before long wallet walrus. Before long, Wallace finds himself drug and captive to Howard’s twisted plot to recreate his walrus savior at Wallace’s expense. Sound interesting? It’s not. I’m so irritated. I’m so fucking irritated right now. The fact that he named him Wallace like that just it Zez everything you need to know right there. What you just name be. Well, we’re going to turn him into a walrus, so it should probably name Wallace. At the very least, it should have been the last name Ready Should been like Robert Wallace. Test is what you get when you make a movie based on a joke. The premises entertaining enough for a fake trailer but not a feature length film. And definitely not when Kevin Smith is at the helm. I was expecting a lot more, but the commitment and budget wasn’t there. To pull off an intense and twisted body horror tale. The film was shot in 15 days with $3 million it somehow feels more rushed and cheaper than that. I’ll give him credit. 50 days is pretty quick. 15 days is very, very quick. Ah, the It’s impressive the talent that he was able to pull in, I assume, just with his name. Yeah, but, man, I I’d be surprised if he was able to do it again. This is a one and done kind of thing because anybody who catches wind of this well, he had already here and he pulled in Michael Parks for Red State. And he basically said that you wouldn’t make this film unless Michael Parkes played Howard. Um, and then Johnny Depp somehow got in this. The thing I found out is that those clerks in the minute mark the Canadian minute mark were Kevin Smith’s daughter and Johnny Depp’s daughter. So I wonder how much it’s like just a Johnny have time wanting to do something with his daughter. Yeah, you know, I don’t know if you’re going to get to the fact that this is part of, ah, like a light trilogy. Not really. I mean, yeah, so it’s kind of like a Canadian trilogy, and I can’t imagine how unspeakably unfunny the other ones are. But there’s yoga Hosers. There’s Tusk. And then there’s, um, most tooth or something like that. Something to be released? Yeah, there’s like Moose jars. Something with Moose. Yeah, okay, because Canada. So instead of focusing on the dread of slowly spoilers being turned into a walrus, Smith focuses on creating a panoply of redundant characters. They’re delivering redundant dialogue at length for a body horror film. There’s very little care given to the design and the shooting of the actual body horror. Shockingly, shockingly, A Smith blows his load halfway through the film and really has nowhere to go after that. It’s truly it’s like it’s shocking. It’s astounding that he’s, I mean, he’s not a bad story teller. No, he’s specifically a good storyteller. But I mean, does follow That guy does is the reveal is so bad. It’s just so bad. And then you’re just like, Oh, that’s That’s it, like that’s where that’s what we’ve got for this film. And then it’s just like all right now on to the interesting part. And let’s be clear, hilarious detective work, clean chewing Johnny Depp And let’s be clear, I was excited about this movie like I was like, Yeah, Tusk Let’s go. Yeah, I wanted to see this one for a while. It’s one of those that you’re like. I’ve heard about it like everybody has been, like, really seared that. Yeah, I’m really curious about it. See, that’s the thing. I haven’t heard people talk about it, and that’s usually what keeps me from seeing it. Like I’ll look at the trailer and say, This looks very interesting. I’m putting that on my cue. Who? But the thing that tips me over the edge to actually watching it is if someone mentions it in a good light. And I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone rave about the film or say that it was actually work worth watching. But now that we have a horror movie podcast, everyone wants this. Submit our time and brains, too. Yeah, the stuff that well, there’s a few things going on there, right? Like Okay, first of all, first of all, that there’s a few reasons why I think people referred the US to this movie and and I would like to point out that no one has has referred to me going. You’ll love it. There just been like they wanted to hear what we say. You please watch this. And then they slap it down on the table and slide it across to us and their eyes have some sort of weird, fucked up fire behind him. And we’re like, Okay, but so and then also, this is a movie about podcasters. All right, so now we’re getting a little meta with the people suggesting right? Hey, you should watch this horror movie about podcasters you horror movie podcast hosts. And so now we’re in too deep and and oh, man, I just had such high expectations because partially because of, like, the aftereffect, the afterglow that I had I still have for movies like Dogma and Clerks and you know, all my middle school chuckle fest bust, a nut and sort of sophomoric humor from Kevin Smith. I love a lot of Kevin Smith movies, but this is just unbelievably poorly done. Yeah, he is is not in his wheelhouse. Let’s just say that Yeah, he should be ashamed. Even even more recent ones that have been better. Not great, but actually interesting, at the very least, So red state was pretty good. That one with, um, Mallrats. No, not Mallrats. What’s the other one? There is Red State and the one that just the guy. I was pissed off it. Rude people. Yeah, I don’t know. I can’t write that one’s called anyways. Like Kevin Smith is hit or miss in my mind. Sometimes he tries to overstep his boundaries and try to be a little more ambitious than he has the capacity for. This is definitely one of those. Yes, this is pretty clear. Like I kept kept coming back to the saying, Oh, he’s trying to be a Quentin Tarantino in this, right? Like he’s trying to write dialogue like pithy dialogue, but he has no idea what that looks like. He just has no idea. He just can’t. Yeah, that’s my first point when we get into the spoilers. Um ah, but let’s talk about our score for the movie. Um, so with all that being said, all that being said, this was see, I was rested for this, like normally if I give like a really low scores because like, I just wasn’t paying attention because I was so tired. But this one, I I put down a three, and then I changed it to a two because I’m like, What? What was? I didn’t laugh at all in this movie. I might have laughed once unintentionally for an unintentional like funny thing. Just like, What are you doing? Like what the fuck not like, Wow, that’s shocking. Or that’s over the top. It’s just like, Wow, that’s really inept. But for the most part, I just got angry that the dialogue was so redundant and so repetitive and it was just It was really bad. It was bad. Now, now there’s a little bit of a letdown factor to this, right? This is not true. This is not a terrible, terrible, terrible movie. I understood in that I understood what was happening at any given point, right? So it makes sense in so far as what is trying to make sense at. It’s just a It’s just a ah slapdash movie put together by a notable filmmaker. Yeah, and a notable film maker who has a lot of feels from my childhood attached to him and a lot of expectation from me. So in that regard, it’s not a normal too. But I wouldn’t say you’re wrong because with great responsibility, with great power comes great responsibility. Kevin Smith. You should know this comic book enthusiast, slash writer, and I know D. C is more your thing, but, you know, you can you can take a little card out a spider man’s book. Thank you. So, yeah, I don’t have a strong opinion on this, which is probably more damning than anything. That’s like, I don’t give a shit what what we rate. This is definitely a a three. Definitely a three. Yeah, it’s just a let down. Yeah, I think I think the thing that pushed me over the edge from a 3 to 2 is, um, the dialogue is truly, like boring. It’s so good. It’s so the pacing is so bad, it’s very bad. And then an utterly fails at the genre of body horror up like it just does a very, very bad job falls flat on its face. It didn’t the The idea that this is Bodie whore is absurd. It it’s it’s body horror in husk like that’s the husk that this comes out in. But then it doesn’t do anything with the body horror genre. There is no man. I mean, I think about it. It’s not like you didn’t try and that there’s not, like the elements that are You would expect to be there, but they’re just pulled off so bad. Yeah, like the transition just happened way too quick. Quick. There’s no meat on those bones on that transition from, like, All right, now it’s happening. Your metamorphosis. The supposed to be the culmination of the whole movie. All the interesting stuff. All right. Okay. Throw that sock away. Yeah. Uh, yeah. He’s focuses so much time and energy on dialogue on unlike jokey, like tired, stereotypical jokes. And Jason Muse isn’t even in it. Like like, if you’re going to do that, at least have somebody who’s strange and interesting to watch. Do it? Yeah. You don’t think Johnny Depp is strange and interesting? It’s not that I don’t think Johnny Depp is strange and interesting. No, I don’t think Charlie to have a situation interesting, actually, now that you mention it. Okay. So, uh, let’s move on to spoilers. All right, so we’ve already talked about it, But there was one observation that I made about Kevin Smith’s dialogue style. And if you’ve listened to Kevin Smith tell stories for his podcast you mean you sh mod cast. You should know Kevin Smith is a bullshitter. He’s one of those guys that can tell a story that captivates your attention. But if you step back, you realize that it’s a lot of unnecessary information. It’s just a lot of color and not a lot of substance, necessarily right. And if you step back here like, oh, so you’re just you’re just kind of being awkward. Yeah, that’s that’s the takeaway. If you if you sift it, sift through all the bullshit is that it’s a very normal occurrence that happened. Well, you have. You have in, like, one paragraph. You’ve stripped him totally nude. Did it? Can you imagine how awkward something I don’t know. Maybe he’s so good at Deflection and that kind of thing that that this you know, if he heard your words, if he heard you say those things and they rang totally true, he would he would say, Oh, yeah, that’s absolutely 100% correct. Are you kidding me? That’s me. Yes, of course it’s me. Everybody knows that’s me. Good job, professor. And it’s like, um so as such. He he’s a screenwriter that writes like a bullshitter. Yeah, so all of his character sound like bullshit? Er’s. And in this circumstance, it’s bullshit. Well said, Um, he’s not. So here’s the difference between Quentin Tarantino and can’t believe Kevin Smith. They’re both very, very good talkers. That’s Tran. They’re both homely, homely, issue gentlemen, or have spent a good part of their life being not good, looking enough for the women that they would like to have right. Much like a lot of people. I don’t know if Kevin Smith likes to fuck feet, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Um, but Quintero, both of them when they’re writing the dialogue and the characters speaking the dialogue, are prone to sound like them. Like Quentin Tarantino, script sounds like Quentin Tarantino, right? And Kevin Smith sounds like Kevin Smith. But the difference between um, the dialogue is like I said, Kevin Smith is a bullshitter. And so the bullshitting comes through. But with with Tarantino, there’s like a vast amount of pop culture knowledge and nuance and like opinions and strong, intelligent and taste that comes through yeah, intelligence, Which is this laundry list of good things that that Quentin Tarantino has that Kevin Smith doesn’t. And yes, I I am constantly on Tarantino’s nuts. I don’t think he’s ever made a bad movie. Look, the the on Lee. I mean, even the most recent ones, which are not even necessarily my favorite, are better than 90% of any movies that have ever been made. Yeah, the problem is, and the thing that Kevin Smith would say in rebuttal to this is you’re comparing me to the best filmmaker of all time and thank you very much. And it’s like, Yeah, but shut the fuck up because it’s clear you were trunk like you were comparing yourself to Quentin Tarantino when you made this movie, and if you weren’t I mean, boy, it sure does look like it right. And then the other thing is outside of screenwriting. Quentin Tarantino is a master director, like if he was not a screenwriter, he could tell the story of any any script on film because he is excellent at directing and portraying the story in whatever genre he chooses. Yes, so it’s distinctly his, but also distinctly of the genre. And, ah, Kevin Smith obviously does not have that in his favor. He’s he’s kind of a one trick pony. If it’s like, you know, younger twenties and probably now, like middle age guy friends that are bullshitting and talking about relationships and, um, comic books, their inability to handle interpersonal conflict, then, yes, probably gonna be okay for Kevin Smith. But if he’s gonna do like a nuanced genre film, he’s just not going anyway. Moving on. So the origin of this film, the idea, actually came, um, about after a man in Brighton, England, put out an ad in this. It’s like a Craigslist type site called Gum Tree. Ah, he offered free rent to anyone willing to dress in a walrus suit and pretend to be said Animal for two hours a day. The advert turned out to be a hoax by a writer poet, Chris Parkinson. But after Kevin Smith discussed it on a smart cast with his co host, Scott Moy Mosier, he began a mole. The idea of turning in the turning it into a feature length film. Hey said something snapped in my brain, and it’s only happened one other time in my life. That other time was 20 years ago, when I wondered why people didn’t make movies about me and my friends talking about movies and pushy and star wars. So I did. And it was Clerks. Smith said. So, uh, that’s also probably something you’d say if he knew you made a piece of shit. Oh, is this Remind me the reason why I made this movie is it’s exactly the same reason as I made that movie that you actually like. Um, so I mean, I thought it was interesting. That is not even an original idea. It’s not like they they, uh, like improv it on the show. Right? It’s literally someone else’s funny idea. Inspired by yes, taking us, like, altered to there purpose of Reverend. Um, yeah, it’s, um and I can, you know, And in that format on, you know, as an interesting topic t bring up and talk about on on kind of an all purpose the topics podcast. This story is fun and works, you know, thing is exactly the kind of stuff you want to talk about. Bring up not the kind of thing you also want. I mean, you know what? Actually all even reverse that this could this movie. It could have been with this concept awesome. It could have you in your fucking awesome. Yeah, if you had given this movie to GM Road Del Toro? Yes. And he had the same budget. Three million? Probably even the same. Well, not the same script they have. Yeah. No makes no. Yeah, but if they gave this to, like, a really good body whore, direct or like Cronenberg or something, I wonder what Cronenberg could do with this on $3 million? I don’t know, but it be a lot better. This is the concept the bones of this thing could have been. The bones of this thing could have been Ah, could have been great. You could have had a really crazy cool story, but in effect, there was ah lot of blubber. There’s a lot of fat on the bone a minute. Okay, um so before going very much further, it should be said Michael Parks is the best part of this film. Oh, hell, yeah. He’s great in anything he’s in. Um, Michael Parks is kind of chameleon. You don’t really recognize him that much. That the part that I was like I was astounded at and I was a huge fan of them ever since kill Bill because and kill Bill. He played two characters on one in each film. The 1st 1 he was the sheriff that discovers the bride. Fantastic character outer. And then in the 2nd 1 he’s the, like cigar during Hunter. And, like, drug Lord pimp. Yeah, um, and they’re so different. And he was able to portray that. So each character so well that I had no idea that it was the same actor until the commentary. Yeah, he, um and that Honduran pimp, the the cigar sucking, kind of lazy eyed, lazy blinking it took place in. He was that same character in this movie. Basically, he was not far from it. Ah, yeah, yeah, we got a lot of the same affect. I got a lot of the same feel. It’s interesting that you I say that I didn’t I didn’t see that. This one is, like very much like it. Well, yes, he’s a distinguished gentleman. And both of them, Yeah, it kind of sits there and smokes and ponders and tells a story and right? Yeah, that’s yeah, it’s Ah, I see it now. Yeah, so that he’s the best part. The worst part is the direction is truly terrible. And and and the script s so there’s arbitrary flashbacks that tell super obvious twists And just fuck with the pacing so bad. Look, that you’re just like what? Why, though, like you, you know you have to leave the action. You need to leave like the tension of the the one storyline of him being held captive. You have to leave it for something else. And what he chooses to leave it for is just like who cares like it should. There’s sometimes, like, just kind of a template that you that you can use for the genre’s you know, you said, you have someone told captive, Um, something bad is happening and then the B story line is the people that love them notice that they’re gone and are trying to find out where they are. Yeah, like, that’s a very tried and true template, and sometimes you should just do that. Would you? Would you mind if so, So far we’ve just been ripping this thing apart, but we haven’t really given the basics of what happened in the in the movie. Would you mind if I ran it down real quick. Yeah, I mean, it’s pretty. It’s pretty basic. You go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So this podcast, they, you know, they’re Why would they send one of the two guys? Who is the guy that they sent? What’s his Wallace Wallace. But what? Who? What is his actual name as a Justin Long? Justin Long. Thank you. You would recognize Justin Long. He’s the Mac guy. Yeah. And, um And so they sent him to the Great White North to interview a ah, viral video sensation who once he got there is revealed this kid killed himself. So now Justin Long has to has to find some other interesting story to talk about. So when he’s in the bar up in realize that if said all this in the synopsis, right? Oh, you did? I’m sorry. I was thinking about how horrible this movie. So the part that I haven’t covered is is when he gets there. Michael Parks. His character tells this story, and it’s kind of like, super interesting guy and Justin Long’s character, the podcasters like I could totally use. This is an air view. He gives him some tea, just tea, and then, as he’s telling him the story about being saved by this walrus and how important it was in his life. Justin Long faints clearly the whole time. It’s just very obvious that the tea is drug. It’s like here is some tea and just long is like I love taste. This tastes really weird. What’s in this Drugs? So and then he wakes up and very quickly you realized that well, I mean at right, as Justin Long’s character faints and it’s even in the trailer. Howard House. Howard How the character that that Michael Parkes Place says, you know, go to sleep, Mr Tusk. And so that’s the name of the Walrus that saved. And so it’s pretty obvious that he’s got out there very quickly. He’s got a thing for walruses and expends no time and just saying he’s gonna turn Justin long into a walrus, Right? That’s the premise of this film, and I think pretty much everyone that knows about this film knows that’s what it’s about. Yes, there’s a very thin veil of, Of like, Why am I here? How why why did you amputate my leg? And he’s like, Ah, spider bitch! It was a brown recluse, also known as the whole Both Spider and that bitch and I had to amputate. Will had to have your own a leg amputated. Hey, you know, you’re under some heavy sedation and then he wakes up again and he’s a Wallace. It’s like, Okay, like And that’s literally that’s literally the movie like we could stop with like we could. And then this friends find him and he’s made a full metamorphosis into this is I mean, there’s not even a slow. I mean, there’s like maybe two seems, but really so then there is a tremendous There’s like a 40 minute long dialogue with Johnny Depp, who’s who’s a detective who’s who’s hot on the trail. Canadian detective who’s hot on the trail of the serial killer who mutilates his but never sexually touches, which I don’t know why. That’s interesting. That’s anti interesting. He never, ever sexually gets. And so I mean, it’s not even like it doesn’t play at all with the body whore. It’s not, you know, which is also kind of a missed opportunity, in my opinion. Yes, they make a big deal. Okay, this is this is like a sidestep, but they make this big deal about showing the walruses Penis bone, yeah, on the mantel and talking about like a Penis bone penises in right. And they make this big deal out of of Howard of Mr Howard’s character getting just horribly abused when he was younger. And so you’d think there’d be, like, some kind of weird, deviant sexual thing like, No, that’s just just so stupid walrus suit. And then they fight. What’s the the So the main points of like about a body horror are he faints? He wakes up, his legs amputated. He’s like, What the fuck? And Mr Howard’s like, Ah, it’s just a spider And he faints, gets drug again and takes his other leg and kind of so’s his arms together. And then I don’t even think we see his reaction to that. Like we don’t see Justin Long waking up after that particular operation the operation could have been, could have been 10 minutes long and horrific, horrifically gory. Look, I’m not a body horn, and there’s like, two operations, but one of them doesn’t even matter because you don’t see his reaction to it. All right? And then there’s another operation where it’s like the full transformation and then the reveal immediate. I mean, it’s within a span of it happens at the middle of it. It’s like there is exactly three minutes of this body horror movie devoted to body whore like, and it’s an hour and 40 minutes long, and there is, I mean, that I don’t know if that’s the exact time, but that’s what it feels like. No, it is it. Like an hour 42. No, I mean the amount of time they spent on the body or yeah, yeah, it feels so insignificant to the amount of time. Yeah, and it’s e. I mean, look, I’m not a body horror guy. I don’t like it. I’m just saying, if you’re trying for that, just go for it. You do that? So, uh, so at some point, um, after he gets and his leg is amputated, this first leg is amputated. Wallace calls his girlfriend but doesn’t give an address or any useful information you are, which is great, which is a pretty lengthy call. It was like a you know, two or three minute voicemail, but he doesn’t like, say, this is the town. I’m in. Look, I’m pretty sure I can’t remember in my whole Social Security number, but the last four is definitely 44 to 1, and there’s no use it. She just gives her everything in the kitchen sink except right, all of the useful stuff. Um, we’ve already talked about how this movie blows. It slowed way too early. No care is given to extending out the dread or the body transformation. It’s it feels so insignificant. So let’s talk about the actual reveal and how terrible it is. It looks so much worse than I expected. I like. I’m still they spent. They spent so much camera time looking directly at this horrible walrus costume. I can’t believe it. It’s like $3 million. You imagine your head if you haven’t seen this movie and you? I have watched the trailer, doesn’t show anything. And if you were to imagine in your head, what would it look like if someone surgically turned someone into a walrus? Go ahead. I have that picture in your mind. Imagine a good movie was made out of that. Okay, Now imagine someone at the San Diego comic con did like pretty good cosplay of it. Okay, so put that picture in your mind. Okay? Now picture someone in like a Portland, Oregon comic con Ah! Ah, That’s the sauce play of it. A significantly smaller, less well attended comic con. Okay, now, now think of someone in like like Henderson, Texas, comic Con Forks, Washington comic con attended by six people. Okay, okay, that is the cosplay. The person that goes as cosplay for that That movie. That’s what the actual design looked like in this film. This is not an exaggeration. It’s It’s like a big latex. And the real damning part of it is how how he moves in the costume. They don’t go to any length at all to try and hide the fact that this is just basically a big plastic bag around around him. He’s like when he retracts his head into the costume it like and it’s and it’s just very clearly a big latex bag. Weird. Why would you show this literally looks like just latex foam? So it’s not even like he’s in a bag full of blubber? No, it just feels like Yes. Oh, it’s so bad. I can’t underline how bad it is. So in a circumstance circumstance like this, if you have a terrible, cheap looking monster design that’s not scary and looks ridiculous, you have to go the job’s route. You do not show it. You show it in flashes, right? You show like the aftereffects of its presence. Yeah, you show all these things fleeting but disturbing imagery. He tries to do that leading up to it. But even that isn’t super effective because it’s the design is so bad that it looks fake. Yeah, just it’s this is the other one. Okay, is the better analogy. Get rid of all the comic con cosplay stuff. All right, The costume looks like it’s from a Conan O’Brien sketch air We go. That’s that’s what guys made a walrus costume. Yes, unlike Late Night, Conan O’Brien’s like early Conan O’Brien with, you know, back when, uh, what was that pimp bought? 3000? Yeah, Or like the masturbating bear. So this is like minty, the candy cane that fell on the ground level. That scotch tape is involved. Yeah, anyways, and they just he just does not know how to shoot it or make it interesting at all. It’s looks like there is isn’t that scary? Now let’s just keep looking at it in a wide shot. I keep us. That’s the most interesting thing we can do. I keep wanting to give them the benefit of the doubt and say It’s it’s intentionally ironic, but it’s just intentionally shitty or even just the lighting If they let it different or this made of more like like slimy M or something, It was just so bad, and it happens at the midpoint of the film. It’s over at that point that there’s nothing left in your film and, like the Onley thing left and I’ll skip forward to the very ending. The Onley thing left is there’s a fight to the death of Justin Long’s character and Michael Parkes character, and Michael Park is dressed in a walrus suit, and it it is like as much as it would. It can redeem itself. It it kind of is interesting at that point, and then it dwells on that for like, half a minute, and then it’s over. OK, so where did the $3 million go? Bryce. So the maternity Where did it go? Did it go to the soundtrack to get that Tusks? Yes, exactly. Or but why the fuck did they go for the the like? That’s the layup like That’s the layup song go for I am the Walrus. If you got $3 million like, why are you? Why are you going with who’s saying that? Fleetwood Mac What? Where you going with Fleetwood Mac when you could have the Beatles? All right, I think it was a good choice. That’s that’s a great choice. It’s well for this movie because it’s a B side, but yeah, Kevin Smith even said himself that, like most of the budget, was spent on licensing that I mean, probably not a lot of the budget was spent unlicensed. Sing that song. That’s a pretty big song. We’ll see if we’ll see what get pulled off a YouTube for two and 1\/2 seconds of that. But ah yeah, it’s just so bad. All right, So let’s move on to some other things that the other bad things terrible jokes based off of tired Canadian stereotypes. Just not even interesting joke. Not even not. There’s no hey, did you know that Canadians say A and A boot and a boot did you know that it’s time that we know that they’re polite. This movie came out in 2014 in there, making jokes about that isn’t that funny? Let’s base an entire Let’s just really dwell on Canadian stereotypes and aren’t French Canadian hilarious. Let’s let’s put Johnny Depp in this. Do you care that Johnny Depp is in this Johnny Depp? Okay, No, First of all, no. You know what? You know what putting Johnny Depp in this movie does. It makes you go, Oh, shit. About 20 minutes into this to seeing that character you go. Oh, that’s That’s Johnny Depp. Yeah, he really was in a bunch of weird makeup and maybe a prosthetic, and I was like, Why are they making him up so much? Second, I didn’t recognize him, but then I looked. I’m like, Oh, it’s cause it’s Johnny Depp. By the time Johnny Depp shows up, the movie should be fucking over. But instead there’s 40 minutes left of Johnny Depp just kind of expounding on this serial killer who turns his victims into something we don’t know. What spoilers. It’s a walrus, Uh, and and then and then it’s just and then it’s just Johnny Depp. Just kind of just going to in the scenery. You sure in the senior is just just Johnny the ideas like, wouldn’t it be funny if Johnny Depp was did a ridiculous French Canadian accent? So So what? It turns out no, it’s not funny. Yeah, and what it accomplishes is like when the movie’s already over and you’re and you’re still supposedly telling a story, the audience halfway through goes, Oh, shit, that’s Johnny Depp and then gets on their phones to get on imdb to make sure that that’s actually Johnny Depp. So now you have half the audience just gone right? Oh, man, this movie, another be plot is Wallace is coupled it a cuckolded, edited by his friends and podcast partner, played by Haley Joel Osman. Do you care about that story line? I don’t except to say that Haley. I said this during while we were watching, but Haley Joel Osmond is just unfortunate looking because he looks like a child actor who grew up. Yeah, he’s He’s probably the most child actor that grew up pissed. Yeah, looking. I mean, Macaulay Culkin’s pretty close, I think the thing with Haley Joel Iseman. He’s still got I don’t want to, like, rag on somehow because mostly, like everyone looks like a weird version of the child themselves. Except you don’t actually get to know the weird version of Child. Exactly. Don’t see like you don’t miss the transition you see in the whole time. But with Haley, Joel Osmond has a particular thing where his face is very small. Yes, comparison to his head When he’s Yeah, it’s It’s strange because yeah, I don’t want a rag. He did a fine job. He’s Everything he’s been in has been great. He gave us six cents. Jesus Christ, like he was great. And, ah, most recently the boys on Amazon. You were telling me about that. You should watch that. But But all suffice does. Suffice it to say you don’t care about his story line or his character that gets way too much time, right? Um, talk about this. Briefly. Howard Howe was abused as a child by a community of pedophiles. Um, it feels like it’s what Smith is using as a reason for why he’s insane. Here’s Here’s the clip from From the Movie on. So for the next five years. I was beaten. I was tortured. I was raped. I had things in my mouth and no human being should have a taste. I never thought of you as a person. He just thought to use me. And usually they didn’t. Priests, politicians, interests, even the nurses. No night watchman alone. Which is all to satisfy the most peace, physical and financial desires through the rectum and lips of a child. Like I get it. You grew up Catholic, and you had a hard time because because And I mean, I like my heart goes out to anyone who was who was abused as a child. Like 100% right don’t like. And? And the whole point of this movie, like the through line on this movie, is like, Why would you want to be a person? It would better. It would be better to be just something as a name as a walrus, Right. But ah, boy, man, you could do a lot. You could do a lot more footwork. Yeah, it feels it feels a lot. It feels pretty cheap. Using that is like a plot point, but not actually like attaching it to anything other than just People are bad. Yeah, And again, like my heart goes out to eat to Kevin Smith. Like, I’m sorry for what happened here legitimately, but this was this was a bad way to do it. Yeah. Um, the scene with Johnny Depp and Michael Parkes is probably one of the most interesting parts of the movie. But I’m not going to say it’s good. It’s It’s meta interesting because they’re two actors just absolutely chewing the scenery. It’s Johnny Depp doing a ridiculous French Canadian accent and Michael Parkes doing like a almost touched. Yeah, he was a bit Southern American type accent. Yeah. Um, here’s Here’s a clip of that. Just to give you a taste. I have it. Here it is. Good afternoon. Tea, sir? I am Philip went So do kid Dick. Oh, Did you come here by a biter? You come here about the spider? Yeah, Yeah, Yes. Ah! All right. So this movie is basically a much worse version of the human centipede. But you brought this up while we were watching it. I just wanted to briefly touch on what human centipede did better. Ok, One of my favorite films. Yeah, human centipede is Bryce’s baby. Yeah, so Human Centipede drew out the explanation of what the doc was going to do. The people so part of, like the’s body horror movies, especially with a insane scientist, the draft is the insane scientist, explaining exactly what he’s going to do to you and why that’s like we’re half the horror comes from where you realize this guy is fucking insane. Yeah, and you have to sit and watch and see his delight at his idea. Yeah, it’s It’s the Clockwork Orange thing where they’re prying your eyes open and making you watch something you don’t want to watch. And it completely doesn’t do that in this film, um, human centipede. There’s a much slower passage of time and showing of the recovery process of the surgery, which is also like, just horrifying but also very interesting. And it just shows, like a lot of like, what would this actually be like? I just don’t want to watch him and send a beat so badly, and then the the tone. This is where, like just why it’s such a glorious fill. The tone I was trying to write down what the tone of human centipede is, and it’s so difficult to say exactly what it is. I imagine it’s It’s like hell on earth. It’s played so straight and committed. It’s so committed and but somehow still over the top. But it’s not like hacky. Uh, it’s it’s over the top and how much it’s playing it straight, right? It’s like it’s like saw if saw took itself even more seriously. So it just underlines the ridiculousness of the premise. And it feels like it grounds this horrible idea in this ridiculous premise in reality, which makes it horrifying, Um, and a really focused on the horror of the protagonist situation and Tusk like it just says like this happened. But it doesn’t really dwell on what the protagonist thinks about or they’re actually experience. It just it just shows them any screaming. That’s it. It’s silly that I mean, that’s all the years shown about, like, his experiences that it’s done in the East any any. He doesn’t like it. Yeah, um, the ending with the walrus duel to the death, it really could have been great. It was an interesting idea. Having Howard in like, another walrus suit and try to battle to the death with their tusks, but again felt firmly right on his face. From the directing standpoint, the choreography is terrible, like it’s literally just like if you’re lying next to each other and just kind of like rolling into each other. Yeah, that’s that’s it like and if that’s if you’re limited by the costumes, okay, that’s fine. But try to shoot it in a way that it looks like there’s something happening other than that. And it just didn’t. I just looked like I felt long, like a medium shot or a wide shot of them kind of nudging each other. And then it ends with Justin Long, like tackling the guy and stabbing him with his tasks is and it’s just that’s that’s and then another ending is tacked on with the girlfriend feeding a fish to him. And this is actually we missed it if we had listened or if we had watched all the all the credits. So we’ve been treated to this clip from the smog cast when they’re discussing the third, okay, we skip we skipped all the way to the very end of the of the credits because it looked like there was a like, there was a scene at the end. And they’re waas. Yeah. Welcome this podcast. I’m Kevin Smith. Scott Mosier. Oh, shit. All right, So here’s the third act. He then goes and puts on his suit, you know, made of human skins. And so you realize he’s done this before? Like, I’m not the first lodger and shit like that. So he’s in it. You’re in yours, and you guys have to have one. Morris fights on the beach. Always love each other on you. Start like we start saying is man indeed a walrus it hard. You ultimately get him and fuck, I think what has happened at the end is that once he makes that switch, yeah, he can’t go back like the clinic for the criminally insane or somewhere. And you see, you know, like his buddy, he’s got something wrapped in a newspaper. You know what’s going on? Yes, eyes awesome. And it is like it’s like another walrus enclave. A better version of where he waas because he realized they can’t reverse the process. Yeah, he’s funny. He’s got even in his head. He’s gone full walrus and he throws in the fish and then fucking the walrus man scurries over to it all gross and starts biting at it. The ground they play like some sad piano music roll credits as we pull back in this overhead watching fucking this facial, there’s a song that’s just like big sender in your way. Need a hashtag for this conversation. Needs to grow to hash tags. I am Field that inside. So this actually parlays nicely into something I was. I was mentioning about this movie. It’s written as a comic book. This this movie would work as a comic book very well. And by the way, if you’re not familiar, Kevin Smith does author comic books, and he’s good at it. Ah, really good at it, because because of that dialogue, you just heard that all plays very well on the page because it needs to be obvious. It needs to be exposition, all dialogue. It needs to be all of these things. So if you’re looking for good Kevin Smith comic books, go check out, I think, uh, he has a green arrow. One called my quiver or something like that. Check out that grate shit, not tusk. Yeah, um, to me the best possible ending would have been if they had just put him back together if they just like, yeah, put that, too, and just had him horribly like mangled and stuff. But that would be like the only thing they deem it like have a modicum of redemption for this film is if they just did something as ridiculous is like Oh, yeah, and then they just put him back together. And now he’s like, just a human again. But he’s got legs again, but instead they the most ridiculous. Like I get it like I like. I get the ironic, sad irony of putting him in a in a basically 1\/3 rate zoo in the middle of Manitoba somewhere. But it’s not. See that’s the thing like it goes from again that works in a comic book. Really well, it’s is like, Oh, he’s a walrus. He’s full walrus now, but like you never felt like he was still a human after the reveal anyways. And it’s yeah, and it’s not like it’s not like it’s wasted on me that this was just a goofy goof that was meant to be fun and funding for you to make. But, you know, I mean, presumably people paid to see this. It’s just a giant. Well, not a giant piece of shit. Not a lot, because it is the final bullet points. So $3 million was the budget, and the cumulative worldwide gross was $1.8 million. I’m sure they’re making that up on the back end because it’s been on Netflix for years. I don’t think they make millions of dollars from Netflix, though. I don’t know how. I don’t know. I mean, this is the kind of movie that the buzz around it before it was so large about like, how ridiculous would this movie be a movie about someone turning into a walrus? But you would assume that it would be able to make $3 million But it didnt mostly because anyone that saw it probably told other people, Don’t go see It is bad if I recall human center peed. That was actually so that was released in still in the era of I think that was, like 2007 or eight or nine. Yeah, maybe maybe even six, because I remember walking through the, you know, the Hollywood video and seeing, you know, a wall of human centipede, DVDs and being like, No, thank you. But but But then, you know, I mean, it really kept go like the the hype train for human centipede kept going because it was available was one of the first titles available when Netflix went streaming, I believe. And ah, and so I don’t know, I I don’t know what what? My point is on that other than to say, Ah, I think there’s a definite lane for this kind of movie and it be interesting if it was done right if there were more like human centipede. Not that I’m interested in watching them, because you but But this is very easy to stomach. In my opinion, this tusk is just Ah, yes. So we had two people request this, and I think they’re both patrons. I think a couple other people that were just reached out to some social media said, Check it out. So, um, we need more people asking for human centipede so I could make David watch it because he does not want to watch a video if you want us to review human centipede send us Ah, Senate Seema Info horror movie talk dot com or reach out on Facebook. Okay, so let’s move on to final recommendations. Who do you think should watch this Brown? Just just don’t pull a father like this is one that you should just search for clips on YouTube. Just get get the idea. Probably believe the only scene. I mean, it’s on Netflix, so you can skip through it. The only scenes that are interesting are the scene where Wallace and Howard are talking. When the introduction and an hour talking about his past and then him fainting skip forward to the reveal. Yeah, and that will give you a taste of, like, how much quality this movie is. Everything. Everything else is totally dispensed. Maybe maybe the very end, maybe, like the walrus fight and then the end scene with them feeding the fish Like it? Yeah, really? It’s only two things that it is on Netflix. So if you are watching looking for something horrific Ah, thio be on in the background. It is getting towards October. So I guess you could Yeah, this is but also the witches on Netflix. So watch for real I would rather watch the witch, like, five more times than watch this. Yes, but first time. Yes, but you don’t want you like you want to soak in every second of the witch. This you could just put on in the background. That’s right. Yeah. Maybe you could watch it while you’re working. Um, okay, So final recommendations is just, like, just don’t this problem, really? Don’t. Who would like it, though? Like whose? It would be a big fan of this. Oh, Kevin Smith. Fanboys mostly, uh, or, you know, people. I mean, this is one of those ones that’s a really low bar of entry into body horror. So if you if you like full moon production stuff, if you like, Just like absolute shitty horror movies to make fun of, This is Ah ah. Maybe close to that. Yeah, but but the So here’s here’s an interesting thought. So in order to get this made or gauge responsiveness of like who would like to see this story? Kevin Smith started a hashtag campaign of walrus. Yes. And hashtag walrus. Yes. And hashtag walrus. No. And and so you know, we could Dio is we could start that that campaign right back up and just ah, tweeted Kevin Smith hashtag walrus. No, just just light him up and and, you know, tag us horror movie talk in there and let’s see if let’s see if we can get Kevin Smith angrily rant and give us exactly what we want. Some some time on from his valuable is super valuable podcast This month, the podcast mum cast So, uh, so hashtag walrus. No. Yeah. Um, okay, let’s move on Thio Games and bits. New Way never did the mid roll. I don’t think so. We didn’t do the middle. So Hey, guys, if you would like to support the show if you if you find this funny or interesting or even annoying, you can go ahead and head on over to our website at horror movie talk dot com, check on out at the top of the page there. If you want to become a patron, that helps us out a whole lot. 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If you like streaming horror, it’s the best way to go for sure. Um, finally, we’ve put a call out to ah to call for writers for our block if you’re interested in writing about horror movies, um, and horror movie topics not necessarily reviews, because that’s what we do in the episodes. But horror movie topics um, we’re accepting submissions reach out to us on Facebook or Twitter, and we’ll be happy to see what you got in. We could give you suggestions if you can’t come up with an idea. Yeah, and we’ve had some people reach out to us, and I’m super excited because it sounds like they are, you know, horror connoisseurs. And and so they have some interesting content coming your way soon. All right, let’s move on Years, tagline. Taglines is a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie we’re reviewing. So I’ll go first. You go first, actually. Yeah. Okay. Tusk. It takes a bite out of your time. Ah, Tusk. You’ve heard the saying that this cat has claws? Well, this walrus has heart tusk touching tale of a man who loves a walrus and a man who is a walrus. Dusk, Thea Oscar goes to Justin Long. He was He was shafted that year, man. I mean, he really should have got it. Yeah. I mean, how are you supposed to act with your tongue? Cut out Tusk Human scent ap Sorry, Tusk Human Centipede without all the fixings. Tusk. At least we know that Kevin Smith has less money to make movies like this Now Tusk picture a 10 minute long story stretched out in the one hour and 40 minutes and Oh, yeah, Johnny Depp That’s all I got. I got some more. OK, go for Tusk. It could have used Jay and silent Bob Tusk. I think a tusk the same way I think of people with blue hair. It’s just like, Oh, it exists. Yeah, look atyou. Let’s not interact with it. Let’s I know everything I need to know about you now. Oh, I was thinking like elderly people. Blue hairs like blue hair. No, I’m talking about, like, dyed blue hair. Okay? Yeah, It’s just like, Oh, yeah. And you all have the same picture. We’re all thinking of the same person. Um, I think I have one more. Ah Ah, yeah, I don’t actually, if they this would have been a very interesting film if it was a Jay and Silent Bob sequel, right? If it was silent Bob, that was turned into the walrus. Whoa, Dude, look at this crazy crap is going on over here. And that’s this. Worst J was just like observing. Yeah, Yeah, I really could have called him Fat boy. Okay, last bit. Gonna talk some horror movie news s so we don’t have to cover all of this. I’ve put a bunch of quotes in here If there’s anything interesting that we actually want to go deeper into. Netflix is S O Netflix just released a trailer for their Netflix and Chills event kind of event things. So it’s a special Halloween season release schedule of four original horror movies who so first on September 27th they’re gonna put out in the shadow of the moon. Um, but but but but s. So it’s like a serial killer movie. That’ll be I’m excited for a serial killer movie. Yeah, they’ve got a lot of serial killer content on Netflix should. And if you, if you start watching like mine, Henderson will forget about it. You’re like the algorithm will be like, Oh, you like serial killers. Here’s Here’s all the fucking serial killers. It’s just like every TV anyway. Um, on October 4th, they release in The Tall Grass, which is based on a novella by Stephen King and Joe Hill. So if any of these jump out at you that you want more information, anything, people being sure we could read the synopsis, but I don’t really care that much. No running Over Fractured will be released on October 11th. I don’t know what fractions about on. Then Eli, released on October 18th is about something, and then rattlesnake. We’ll be released on October 25th. It’s also about something also about presumably a rattlesnake. I think I think fractured has someone recognizable in it. Okay, you go, you’ll figure it out. Um, so So this is notable because Netflix does know how to do horror movies. Like if If you remember about this time last year, maybe November last year we reviewed the ritual, which is, Ah, horror movie done by Netflix. Great. Just Ah, really? Yeah, there’s there’s there’s been some good content put out on Netflix. The ritual The Apostle is probably worth watching, Even Bird Box and the profound bird bird box was fabulous. We’ve reviewed all of those, um, so yeah, they’re kind of going a little deeper into horror. They actually released a special you Earl that will land you on all of Netflix’s horror offerings. If you go to dub dub dub dot netflix dot com slash netflix and chills. It’ll just put you on the landing page for the horror genre. That’s just a quick if you want to simulate shudder. Yeah, through Netflix. You could do that. But why would you want to do that? You know 30. 40 trial by using HMT. Um so well, in the in the poster, this episode will put ah link to the YouTube trailer for that Netflix and Chills event. Next item synapse Films Bringing is Bringing Dario are Gento, Suspiria to four K ultra HD in November on November 19th 2019. That’ll be cool and be a full restoration fork. A restoration of the uncut, uncensored Italian 35 millimeter negative with color correction supervised by cinematographer Luciano Tivoli, Jonno and ah, but but but But it’s a great I don’t think I’ve actually watched the original yet, but we reviewed the remake, which is apparently nothing like the original. I’ve seen bits and pieces of the original, and it is effective. There’s a reason it’s good. Yeah, special features. We’ll include two audio commentaries by authors and our gentle scholars, Derek Botello and David Dill, Vala Troy Howarth. Whatever. Um, bunch of other special features. 123456 Like six notable special features. You can check it out. We’ll put ah the list on the post for this episode. John Carpenter’s Halloween is returning to select theaters beginning September 27th. Yeah, this will be This will be huge. Yeah, it’s ah restored and remastered digital prints, and it was created under the supervision of world renowned cinematographer Dean Cundy. Um, so that will be interesting. Actually, I check the schedule and it’s gonna be a Kiggens theater. Oh, shit. Which is interesting, because last year we went to kick ins theater to watch the original Halloween, but was put up put on by just a local podcast here. Yeah, a small cast, if you will. A, uh, it’s the podcast called the horror killer. I’ll, um, you check them out. Um, if you’re interested in that, get tickets at www dot cinna life entertainment dot com slash events Last Halloween. Another news item. Brendan Fraser is all in for a new mummy movie. Should the opportunity present itself. Shocking Hollywood collectively replies. Yeah, we know guys, just if anything was going on over there like anything at all, I’m really I’m just really excited about whatever it is you’re excited about. Yeah, and it seems like the most likely thing of that is the moment. So it’s like if Christopher Lloyd said, Hey, guys, I’m all for doing another back to the future sequel if you if you need me like yeah, we know, like obviously way, we know that you’re not doing anything. You would make a great that right. We’re not doing that right now or it’s like the Bill, the Bill and Ted’s excellent adventure sequel that’s coming up the not Chiana Reeves guy. It’s probably like, Oh, thank God that it is. I thought that was an interesting but I I don’t understand what brought in and Frasier did to fall out of. I think he was. Well, uh, he got he got fatter and uglier, lost his hair, But George of the Jungle, though Yeah, well, I was never a huge Brendan Fraser friend. To be honest, I didn’t mind him. He hit me. He hit all the expected marks. For what about Monkeybone? Bryce monkey pants. Just always like I could always expect. Kind of kind of not that funny, but goofy but passable. I gotta fuck that’s that’s That’s where he’s at. I got a fun recollection of high school where I was like trying to be a human being for a moment. You know, where I was, like, I don’t know how to be like you people. So let me. So I got one of those three ring binders that had, like, a clear sleeve for the, you know, to put whatever it was. And I was like, Oh, kids are like displaying artistic things on their binders, saws. They just printed out a giant picture of Brendan Fraser. It’s alarming how close you are. So I had a subscription to PlayStation magazine, and in it was a an ad for a wacky looking movie that I had never seen or really heard of. But it was called Monkeybone, and it had, like, a weird little suggestive themes and and kind of fun little. So I took an Exacto knife and cut out all the little little portions of this, including Brendan Fraser and and the wording Monkeybone at the top and displayed them at is like a shadow box at the front of my three ring binder. And then kids just called this was like sophomore year. And then I was Monkeybone. Wow. How much did you regret that after watching the film? I was I was bought and I was like, This is how I do it right? And they’re like, Yeah, look at you. Stupid. No book. I was like, Okay, I’m doing it. I think I’m fitting. So you go Really was like, I got my niche. Now I’m monkey find monkey book like that. I didn’t even like I knew it wasn’t quite, like matching up with how later art being artistic work, right? But it was It was the best. I had, like a right. Nice. And now you have a fair to middling podcast. Showed all of them fuckers. Who’s Monkeybone now? Idiot. Um, speaking of shudder, we weren’t speaking to shutter, but we’ve mentioned them. So should have released a trailer for an original film called Blood Machines. The trailer looks is actually really interesting. It’s kind of like it’s a cosmic horror movie that looks a lot along the style of, um, Mandy. Lots of color, but kind of cosmic or elements will link the trailer on the post to crowdfunded English language French production that follows to space hunters who witness a mystical phenomenon when they see the ghost of young one crawl out of a machine they destroyed. That sounds like right up my alley in the Like that I love the cosmic. Or that’s my favorite. No, no release date as of yet, but go check out the trailer is pretty interesting. We’ll have it on the post for this. This episode at horror movie talk dot com Andy Machete details to deleted scenes that would be part of a potential supercut of both it movies. So I think we mentioned this on the last episode that that Andy Machete has said that he’s interested in doing a supercut where he combines both it films into one gigantic, like six and 1\/2 hour long movie. He talked about two scenes. There’s a scene in the 16 hundreds. These decided not to put in to the film because it was a little confusing would touch more on the origin story of Pennywise. He also talked about a deleted scene where the celestial turtle ner known as mature in an ancient figure who appears in King’s It novel as well as the dark tower. So Okay, good cuts. You know, it’s interesting. Actually, the Pennywise origin stuff might might have been interesting, but ah, yeah, that Z is interesting when you have, like, a two hour and 45 minutes. What? What is cut like At what? At some point, your leg Was there anything that hit the cutting room floor other than his feet on DA And, you know, it’s interesting to it. Chapter two is getting a lot of flack right now for not being LGBT friendly. The Pennywise air Pennywise was very homophone is not, As it turns out, he’s a bad guy. Yeah, he’s not. He’s not accepted. He’s fired. I can get on board with the eating children part, but I draw the line at homophobia. Why would you want him to be inclusive of any part of you? Why would you want him to be on your side anyways? Um, cut more things. Amanda Seyfried is in talks to star Netflix’s horror thriller Things Heard and Seen, uh, which is a movie that could be directed by Sherry Springer. Berman and Robert Pulcini, who were directed her, were nominated for an Oscar for American Splendor. Did you ever see that movie never did. Paul Giamatti as the famous comic book writer. I can’t remember his name. Do you have a good? Do you have a good impression of him of Paul Giamatti? Yeah. No. Okay, I just can’t stop thinking of I can’t remember who it is that does all the Paul Giamatti impressions. I think it’s on the Adam Corolla show, but where it’s just, he’s just on injury. Think I from private parts basically a pig pig vomit. Big moment. Anyone’s that’s That was a really good movie, so this might be like a pretty good movie. The story, a story of things Heard and Seen, centers on a young couple who moved to farm near a small town in upstate New York. Their new home is cursed by the murder of its former owners, and as haunted secrets revealed themselves, the husband and wife’s own marriage reveals itself to have it darkness of its own. Stop it, Um, okay, a couple. Just two more things and we’re gonna go. Toni Colette, our favorite from hereditary, joins the cast of Guillermo del Toro. Is it guilt? Gilera? Guillermo, this is saying it right. This is the most difficult region ever done. Toni Collette are fair from her secretary, Gilma de Toro’s. It’s only hard because because Bryce Hansen is reading it. He’s a mealy mouth piece, a shit Guillermo del Toro’s Nightmare Alley, the next movie being directed by Guillermo del Toro. And it’s an adaptation of the novel by William Lindsay Gresham, which was published in 1946. The novel spawned its first feature film just one year later, starring Tyrone Powers and blah, blah, blah, blah blah. Who cares? Uhm, Tyrone is like the strongest name you could give a child. Well, other than Murdoch, Murdoch is fucking strong to my. My youngest middle name is Murdock on Lee because I couldn’t convince Errand to give it as his first name. But if there was any kid that was named Murdoch, would it not be calling totally would be column is such a fucking Murdock? Yeah, we’re over at your home, Murdoch. We were over at David’s daughter’s birthday, her third birthday last week last week, and your sister in law Look at Colin. It was like, How old is he? Was like, Oh, yeah, This month, he’s gonna turn to She’s like God, he he’s not too yet because he was standing next to Charlotte’s bigger than my three year old. Yeah, he’s just and my three year old is not small like she dwarfs a lot of these way fi kids like there like she’s, she’s I mean, she’s not thick or anything like that. But she’s she’s not a small girl. Yeah, if you were to, like, take a normal sized three year old and like having put their arms down to their side. If you were to, like, draw a rectangle around their shoulders and the arms of their side, widen it by about like an inch, that would be just Collins chest. Absolute unit. Um, he’s wide so that that Nightmare Alley notable also in the cast is Bradley Cooper, Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara, and sounds like a really good cast. That’s gonna be huge. That could be good, of course. Like I don’t know, Bird box and And the perfection had a really good cast, too. But they’re like, Dude, what do you talk about Bird Box? And is he was huge. Do you remember that? Like this head of steam on that? Yeah. No, I mean, I guess I like both of those films. I like Bird box. A lot is a phenomenon. Uh, okay, So, sadly, Final final. No, The nail in the coffin finally dropping a movie pass shuts down with its parent company citing failure to raise funds on Friday movie past notified remaining subscribers All you bless your heart for still subscribing a movie past. I’m sure they’re very, very shocked at this, but they’re going to shut down. Service is effective September 14th. So it already happened. As of this podcast release, um, its efforts to recapitalize movie pass have not been successful to date. Um, and even even with movie passes of evident demise, I read the press release. It’s actually, like, kind of bittersweet. I kind of felt bad for him because they mentioned that they really did change the movie industry. The yeah, yeah. They in effect accomplished their purpose one year ago. This time one year ago, we were we were subscribed to it. Yeah, it was great for like, a week. And then, like they the shit hit the fan in terms of capitalization and they just could not provide. Service is I think It was just kind of off and on for like, actually providing the service that they promised. But even with movie passes evident demise, the service’s spurred theater chains, including AMC Regal and Cinemark Tow, launch their own rival subscription plans. And last month, Emcee said it. Stubbs A List program, which lets subscribers see three movies weekly for 20 bucks a month, had hit 900,000 subscribers. See, here’s my here’s Here’s My Angle. I’m going to try and get a M C on board. Tiu sponsor us to sponsor them. T sponsor that their service? Because Because, let me tell you, Bryce AMC already sponsors the show. There, they own shutter. That’s true. So let’s let’s got to have some sort of hashtag walrus. Yes, or horror movie talk? Yes, for AMC HMT sponsorship. 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We saw It Chapter Two, and I have to say, I can make plenty of criticisms about this movie, but on the whole, this is a well done ending to a high budget franchise that has delivered the scares. It Chapter Two Trailer https://youtu.be/xhJ5P7Up3jA It Chapter Two full movie is available to pre-purchase and rental on Amazon, and probably other places It Chapter Two Watch the full movie of It Chapter Two Rent/Buy on Amazon It Chapter Two Synopsis If you would like to be reminded of the first chapter of this series which is also directed by Andy Muschietti, check out our review from last week, where we go over the whole first chapter. It Chapter Two picks up 27 years later and details the lives of the kids turned adults from the first movie. As a quick recap, our character list is: Bev – The girl in the group played by Jessica Chastain Ben – The fat boy/new kid turned CEO hunk played by Jay Ryan Bill – Stutterer turned author played by James McAvoy Rich – Biting wit who wears glasses turned Comedian played by  Bill Hader Mike – Token black kid who stayed in Derry played by Isaiah Mustafa Eddie – Munchausen by proxy kid turned Munchausen by proxy adult played by James Ransone Stan – Feeble Jewish kid turned feeble Jewish adult played by Andy Bean Mike, Rich, Bill, Bev, and Ben, but no Eddie… Mike, has begun to notice nefarious happenings in Derry and as you might guess, it’s been 27 years since the Loser’s Club made their pact to fight It if it ever came back. Mike sends the call out to all of his long-lost friends, and they respond with dread, but come home anyway.  Check out Our Review of It (2017) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/04/it-2017-review/ The Loser’s Club has a cloud of forgetfulness that has descended upon them in the time since their Derry days, and Mike, being the only member to stay in Derry has to help them recall what happened and how they can beat it. As the Loser’s Club sets out on Derry, they are reminded of the reason they left, the clown, the fear, and the life they left behind. It Chapter Two Movie Review It Chapter Two is similar enough to the first movie that you can rely on many of the same things that worked. The intense subject matter, your mom jokes, and the camaraderie are all there. We even get the kids cast back for a bounty of flashbacks and memories. It also has a hefty bag of very effective scares, that are less frequent, but more potent. “How about a hand?!” No thanks PW… Where It Chapter Two differs is the length and interesting subject matter. At 2h 49min, It Chapter Two is more than a half-hour longer than the first entry. I’ve never been a fan of long movies because at the 2h 30min mark I just feel like any reasonable story can fit everything and the kitchen sink in there. My mind wandered multiple times through the emotion-driven dialog, and it was a bit boring. I wasn’t a big fan of the action-laden ending either. That being said, this is a solid horror movie that may be one of the most successful franchises ever, and it’s not without good reason. The cast, acting, direction, and story are great. There is fun to be had, and the scares are for real. I wish they kept it tighter. Score for It Chapter Two Movie 8/10 Spoilers for It Chapter Two Introduction to Our Adult Characters It Chapter Two opens with a few recollections from the first movie, including a shot of Bev in the trappings of the Dead Lights, but the most notable first scene is the savage beating on some gay men in Derry. These men are having a fun time at the local carnival and are then picked on by the local hate group. The group beat one of the gay men to the point that everyone in the audience was audibly uncomfortable. Then they tossed him into the river, where, you guessed it, Pennywise was waiting for him.  Time to see the dentist! This scene was somewhat out of place but extremely notable. I get it, it’s meant to set up that fear is back in town. It shows that this movie is about brutality. It just didn’t involve any of the main characters at all, and it felt strange. The movie then brings us up to speed with every character in the Loser’s Club – that’s right, all seven of them. This is a theme in the movie, “let’s check in with Bill for five to ten minutes.” which would be fine if there weren’t six to seven people to catch up with the whole way through the movie.  Thankfully, Stan takes pity upon the audience early in the movie and kills himself in the bathtub when Mike calls him to tell him about the return of Pennywise.  Midsommar! One of the Best Movies this Year! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/07/10/midsommar-review/ The Loser’s Club has become an adult version of themselves. Bev is in an abusive relationship; Eddie basically married his mom and does risk assessment; Rich is a comedian.  The old Bowers boy was arrested as a youth after killing his father and has been placed in a prison for the mentally ill. His inclusion in this movie is another point that could have easily been left out, and the movie wouldn’t have suffered. The Chinese Restaurant Scene The Loser’s Club meets for the first time in years at the Chinese Restaurant in Derry where they quickly fall into their childhood roles of your mom jokes and noogies. Then the fortune cookies come out, and things get crazy. Fortune cookies start running amok, and Mike is left smashing the place up, it’s funny. “Heya Bill!” Finding the Artifacts Each of the Loser’s need to find their artifact or the thing that ties them to It. Mike basically leads them down the path toward defeating It, and it begins with his knowledge of how It got here. He talked to a Native American tribe, the Shakopee, that had passed down how to beat Pennywise down through their tribe ever since he showed up like a ball of light from outer space in the previous century. They beat it with the ritual of Chud making the light, dark.  Hey Gram, tell me about Derry. So, the friends split up to find their respective totems and artifacts. Beverly heads to her old apartment where she meets with the new resident, a kindly grandma who has some strange hostess habits. Rich heads to the town square park and has a run in with a Paul Bunyun statue that knocked my socks off. I mean, it scared the shit out of me. Bill finds his old bike for sale in an antiques shop run by Stephen King himself and then runs into Pennywise a few times in the sewer, and a carnival. Eddie visits the town pharmacist to find the most unsanitary conditions I can imagine in the backroom. There is a vomit comet – it’s super effective. Eventually the characters find their artifacts and totems, and they are: Bill – Paper boat Eddie – Inhaler Bev – Note from Ben (She thinks it’s from Bill) Ben – Yearbook page Bev signed Rich – Token from arcade Stan – Head wraps from hideout Mike – ? – Mike’s artifact might have been a newspaper clipping detailing his parent’s death The Action-Laden Ending I won’t go into terrible detail about the end of this movie, so if that’s something you are dying to hear about, listen to the podcast. What I will say is this movie takes a hard turn when our group goes to confront Pennywise in his lair below the sewer system that they defeated him in in the first chapter. It turns into a spooky action movie. Look, I get it – it’s what happened in the book. Fine. They even set up the weak ending for the whole damn movie by constantly saying that Bill writes weak endings for his books. Bill is the Stephen King stand-in that he includes in every book. It wasn’t super effective for me and it lasted at least ten minutes longer than I felt it needed to. That being said, it worked to an extent and stayed true to the source material. It’s not like you can just rewrite the ending to perhaps the most iconic horror novel ever written and not get any flack. Plus, what would you do if you went off the source material? It’s already so deep into a weird place that IT may as well be a giant spider! The group defeats it by shouting it down, minimizing their fears, and taking the bite out of the things they are most scared of. Final Recommendations for It Chapter Two If you are a horror fan, this is one of the biggest titles there is, period. It’s not only big, it’s good. The scares are real, the story is compelling, and there are plenty of laughs. Catch this in theaters, and if the thought of a (near) three hour long movie make you tired, bring a pillow because you will still have fun.

In preparation for IT Chapter 2 coming out this week, we watched IT (2017) as well as the 1990 Miniseries starring Tim Curry. If you haven’t seen IT and are a horror fan, you are probably in the minority, since it (IT?) is the highest grossing horror movie of all time. IT 2017 Poster We watched It. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was good. We liked it. THE MOVIE IT! https://youtu.be/hAUTdjf9rko IT is available to rent on Amazon Prime, Youtube and other places probably. IT (2017) Watch the full movie of IT (2017) Rent/Buy on Amazon IT 2017 Synopsis IT (2017) is a total rip off of Stranger Things. It features a group of boys in the 80s who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, IT (2017) is based on the Stephen King novel “IT”. The film follows “the losers club” which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted by Pennywise the Dancing Clown played by Bill Skarsgård. Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate, and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millenia.  IT Movie Review The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. You get a real feeling of dread throughout, and it remains one of the best group coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaptation: Stand By Me.  Check Out Our Review of Ready or Not https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/08/28/ready-or-not-review/ I’m glad I got to watch this again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 TV miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I still do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries, I think that overall IT 2017 is a far superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it to this film and the upcoming Chapter 2, and I don’t know what to tell you, it does not hold up. https://youtu.be/cmOLwrvH-Ag IT 2017 is one of the best mainstream, general audience horror movies to come out in the last decade. Director Andy Muschietti keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the Conjuring universe. Overall, I really liked it even more the second time. This film has probably the best child cast of all time. Comparisons are readily made to Stranger Things (especially since Finn Wolfhard is in both) but the acting from these kids in IT (2017) is far superior in my opinion. Score for IT (2017) Movie 8/10 Check out our review of It Chapter Two https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/11/it-chapter-two-review/ Spoilers for IT Expand for Spoilers The opening scene with Georgie losing the paper boat that Bill made for him. This is the scene that really sells every version of this story, whether it’s the novel, the miniseries, or the modern iteration. The main difference here is that Muschietti leans into the “hard-R” when Georgie’s arm is graphically ripped off by Pennywise. Georgie, giving Pennywise a hand. Pennywise isn’t the only danger in IT. Henry Bowers and his gang torment the group of friends on the regular throughout the film. And torment is putting it lightly. Henry doesn’t just bully them, he tortures them. In another scene that shows the commitment of making the film a heavy into the paint of an R-rating, Henry deeply carves his initials into poor Ben’s stomach. All of a sudden, the gimmicky side kicks obsessed with fire or belching seems strangely out of place. But, come on, who doesn’t like a character named Belch? BRRRRAAAAAUUUUUUPP The Losers Club Fears Throughout IT, there are scenes that show the different fears of the Losers Club. Bill’s fear of actually accepting that his brother Georgie is dead. Mike’s fear of burning alive like his parents Stanley’s fear of a creepy painting Stanley’s creepy painting coming to life. Ben’s fear of the headless kid he discovered during researching the town’s history. Bev’s fear of the sink Eddie’s fear of germs / Lepers Richie’s fear of clowns Some of these work better than others. Stanley’s creepy painting feels like it is straight out of The Conjuring. Wait… It is taken straight out of the Conjuring. Look Familiar? Richie’s fear of clowns also felt very tacked on. It seemed like an excuse to include a room full of clowns. Ben’s fear also felt kind of tacked on, but at least it made sense in the moment. As he was researching about the town’s past tragedies, he notices a decapitated head in a tree. Can we also just take a moment to point out how shitty the librarian is for encouraging Ben to stop studying and go play with friends? Why you reading tho? The Ending of IT 2017 Explained The ending of the film is very satisfying. The children realize that Pennywise has no power over them as long as they aren’t scared of him and realize that everything he throws at them is an illusion. As Pennywise’s power is sapped from him, they proceed to kick his ass and free all the children that are floating in his lair. Unfortunately, they all seem to be already dead. Hey… I guess they do all float down here. Final Recommendations for IT I definitely recommend watching and even rewatching IT (2017) , especially as the sequel is coming out this week. It is a horror movie of the highest caliber, that doesn’t shy away from shocking you with violence against children. Transcription of the Episode Expand for the full transcription of this week’s episode This episode of horror movie talk brought to you by seat creep, the best app for buying tickets to sporting events and concerts that you never had a chance to buy. What’s that? You say you were on the ticket master site and ordered the second they went on sale and nothing good was left. That’s because we bought them within nanoseconds of them going on sale so no one else could go ahead and cry to Ticketmaster. They’re in on it, too. Sure, you could buy the tickets that are left at the back row behind a pillar, but you know you’re going to buy from a scalper. Might as well be from us because fuck you. Hello and welcome to horror movie talk and opinionated and accidentally funny horror movie review Show your panel of experts. Hosts each week are Dr Bryce Hansen, who holds a phD in Spook ology, and Professor David Day, the foremost expert in Scare No nose. New theatrical releases always get priority, but we also review older horror movies both good and horrible. I am Bryce Hanson and I’m Davide, and we’ve been having technical difficulties. Yeah, man, it’s been an hour of trying to get things set up, right. And now I have to get up again and adjust my I’m so irritated, and it’s gonna be a great episode. Okay, Yeah. We have two identical mike’s that I’ve had since, you know, for, like, a decade. But I haven’t really used until now. And one of them just shit the bed for some reason. So we could really use some more patriotic of you. Anyways, uh, we got a great show for you today. We’re gonna be talking about it. 2017 2017 0 I thought we were talking about sex. Oh, no, no. This little episode have been prayer Parent for the wrong thing on. Do that, though, before we get into it. I just want to plug our website horror movie talk dot com. There you can find links to our social media and various links to podcast subscription platforms. We post every Wednesday, so subscribe. And if you use iTunes Sorry. Use apple podcast. Leave us a rating. Also, our good friend David Day has a podcast on the side called the Positive A cast. This is a short daily podcast where I just tried to inject your day with some you know, some good feelings and rights groups, retreats, talking about making people feel good, talking about making yourself feel good. And just generally, you know, getting your day started off for ended off, right? So and it’s actually it’s been doing pretty good since the Rice Krispie treat debacle. Things have been picking up quite a bit so again today we’re gonna be talking about it. The movie from 2017. We’re going to start out by giving a brief review and our score for the film. We scored on a scale of 1 to 10 1 being miserable and ah, 10 being so good at transcends genre boundaries. And five just being a completely average film that hits all the expected marks. Yeah, you guys know how one through 10 works after we give the score will get into spoilers and take a deeper dive into what we like and hated about the film. And then later we’ll be doing perennial favorite bit tagline haggling. Hey, um you know, uh, we kind of I wanted to do another round of horror or porno, which is probably my favorite bit that we’ve ever done from our last episode, but it might be like to. Well, first of all, I didn’t have enough time to prepare for it. Because we’ve spent It’s a very, very, very useful time watching the miniseries from 1990. So it was worth it. And ah, but also having it back to back, You know, we don’t want to fatigue. Well, I mean, that’s like a special. That’s a special game, you know, though, I do it next time, you know, But that ready That last episode that we released, ready or not is I mean, so we’re recording this, you know, obviously, before you’re listening to this, we don’t do this list. Isn’t life? I thought this was radio. It’s just how time works. You do things before they happen, as and sometimes as they’re happening anyway, so that the past is more past In the past, we had this debate earlier, but ah, no, the ready or not episode it is on track to be one of our very best downloaded episodes ever. Um, and, uh, even that one had a debacle around it. We’ve had a Yeah, my wife. Rough technical issues Week. My wife is Ah, potentially thinking about stopping by because she’s so angry about Hori horror or porno. Uh, she I I started playing it for her, and she was like, This is fun. And then ah, and then it got to a point where she was like, I do not I no longer support you doing this show anymore because she was so upset so she might stop by on this episode. And ah, and let us have a piece of her mind. We’ll see. Ah, so moving into the review, he watched it. We already have seen it, but we watched it again. It was way liked it. If the movie it was it was good, it was good. Yeah, it was pretty good. No, it we have to emphasize it s episode. It was good, right? Just like on the miniseries in the nineties miniseries. They really hit that it hard. Yeah, by the way. It’s like I said earlier. Defeat it. Like Bryce said earlier, we we just got done last night watching the longest fucking movie of I’ve ever seen ever. Well, it’s supposed to be watched in two parts, which we actually kind of did. But the miniseries from from 90 and we’re gonna be releasing an episode where we go over that dredge, um, for our patri on members and man, that that thing is just packed full of nostalgia. And I mean, that thing is, that thing is the thing that movie studios tap into when they’re like, we gotta make stranger thing, pull out the footage. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, here’s the trailer for it. 2017 near kid universes rolls around. You think that you’ll always be protected and cared for, Then one day, you realize that’s not sure. Because we near alone as a kid monster. See you is weaker. You don’t even know they’re getting closer until it’s too late. Yeah. Did you get my grandfather thinks this town is cursed. That all the bad things that happened in this town because of one thing and evil thing. So is he looking with me two? I saw something. Clown. Yeah, I saw him too. What happens when another torch goes missing one of us? We’re just gonna pretend it isn’t happening Like everyone else in this town. If we stick together Wait. Yeah, but yeah, flow. So it is available to rent on Amazon prime. That’s where we watched it. It’s also in YouTube and probably other places. Probably, you know where you get movies. It 2017 is a total rip off of stranger things. It features a group of boys in the eighties who discover a young girl with the special power to give them boners. Actually, 2017 is based on the Stephen King novel It. The film follows the Losers Club, which is a motley crew of six young boys and a girl who find themselves haunted. Bye Pennywise, the dancing clown played by a Bill scars guard, Pennywise is very literally dread incarnate and torments the group of kids with their worst fears. Upon research, the group finds out that Pennywise has been tormenting and killing children for millennia. The film tackles the source material admirably. It’s hard to capture on screen the concept of the monster being fear itself. That’s kind of the idea that Stephen King was going for just that feeling of. I think the opening sequence is the best illustration of that of Georgie going down a dark stairway into the basement to get something. Yeah, because I think that’s like a universal fear. Yes, that everyone experiences in childhood where you don’t know what you’re scared of. But it’s there. But whatever it’s going to get you, it’s like whenever you whenever you think it’s gonna get me What what is that? And that’s what Stephen King is trying to use as the monster in it. Yeah, Irrational fear. All right, Um, so the film, that’s pretty good of capturing that idea. You get a feeling of dread throughout. It remains one of the best coming of age stories, second only to King’s other adaption. Stand by me. I mean, I think it’s you know, I mean, there’s several that have done done it. Now it’s it’s hard to think of one. I mean, they think one better than stand by me is like the pinnacle obvious like I can. But that was that was the whole purpose of that, right? Where is that? This is not necessary so much. This is That is a nice sidebar in it. I’m glad to watch its watch this film again, because my first viewing was so colored by my nostalgia for the 1990 miniseries starring Tim Curry. And while I do like the direction of the Pennywise character a little better in the miniseries. I think that the overall IT 2017 is a superior film. We watched the miniseries to be able to compare it, and, ah, to to this film and the upcoming sequel that’s coming out next week. Yeah, for us. And ah, I don’t know what to tell you. It does not hold up the miniseries. No, there’s there’s some great ideas and there is some still impactful scenes and and visuals. But it doesn’t hold up in terms of like a film for a lot of reasons, though, right? I mean, it’s not easy. It’s not fair to compare either the production value and it’s a TV show. It’s got every excuse in the world to be just awful, just very, very bad. And it’s not. It just doesn’t hold up very well. It was a miniseries made for TV in 1987 that released in 1990 and so and we’re watching it. I understood why it it impacted me, impacted me so much when I was, I guess I was eight. Yeah, and ah, that’s just that’s just prime time for being impressionable and like, wowed by anything. Yeah, but anyways, it is definitely, Ah, better film, mostly because it’s, you know, great production value, but also because it’s a hard R. Yeah, yeah, a really hard arm. Yeah. Ah, 2017 is one of the best mainstream general audience horror films that’s come out in the last decade. Oh, easily, and the the box office numbers show that it’s it’s still the highest grossing horror film of all time. That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Ah, director Andy Mu Shu knew she Eddie keeps most of the dread from the source material and includes some modern production and jump scares to appeal to fans of the conjuring universe, which I’m not always a huge fan of. But it was. It was upon second viewing. It wasn’t as agree, just as I remember it. It was kind of sprinkled throughout its not, ah, 100% jump scares. Overall, I really liked it. I liked it even more the second time. Watching it, I give it a score of eight at a 10. I think that’s the score that I expected from you, if not a little lower, even like just Ah, knowing, uh you and how you work. Um, but for me, this this was such a it was like it was like a signal that horror was back, like, not just back, but like big, you know, like this. Like they’re so there was so much about the release of this film that just ended up like delighting me because it was like, everybody was excited for this. It was like, remember it Because because And we’ve been discussing this coming up t this to this moment and you know it the book waas I mean, probably still is the biggest horror novel ever. Yeah, it was a huge phenomenon. Yes, and I think the only one that rivals it is this the shining right? Yeah, but but doesn’t even like it is. One of those is one of those titles. And one of those you have the image of the the book seared into your into your memory because it was everywhere. It was in everyone’s house. Everybody was interested in whatever this weird thing was, and ah, and so it was a phenomenon back then, And this movie tapped right back into that and got all those people re excited about all this stuff. And so it was. And then the movie itself was so much fun for me and went so hard in the paint on the rial, disturbing, um, content that that you would hope it would write It didn’t it? Didn’t shy away from anything. Well, it shied away from something, right that no. One. It’s my understanding, though, that that that that stuff that really blew stuff may be present in the second installment. Yeah, I guess we won’t go into spoilers of the novel, but we’ll talk about in a spoiler section. But there’s if you read Stephen King. You know, he is kind of a weird sex pervert. There’s always a weird sexual element. There are, like, some subtle, I mean, maybe not to settle. There’s there’s some sexual kind of content, and and, uh, in this film, but not what’s in the novel. You know, a lot of illusion, allusion, illusions off, you know? Yeah, touching kids and weird shit and ring. Ah, but But it adds that really unstable feeling terror element to to the movie. And I think for me, I think this is ah nine. And when it was released, it was probably 10. Well, how do you go down? Because it is not a fun movie to necessarily to rewatch for May I know this was a really great movie on first viewing, like it’s just doesn’t have very much replay value for me. Um, and I realized that even in the theater as I was watching, it was like, There’s not gonna be a second time for this because it is a jump scare factory and all the things that worked really well for me were those were those big, horrifying jump scares. Yeah. No, I mean, I think I think nine is fair, but I don’t know. I understand that, like most people would read rate this like a nine out of 10. But for some reason, it just It just doesn’t make it there for me. Yeah, I know. 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But even with that and with this being a shorter month and last month in terms of how many episodes we released, we’re still almost common amount of downloads that we had last month, which is huge. So thank you. So thank you again. So, yeah, let’s talk about it. What about it? Let’s talk about it, baby. Okay, Talk about you and me. Let’s talk about all the bad clams. S o. The opening scene of it is probably the strongest of the movie, and it’s really what sells the whole story. And it’s surprisingly consistent between the book, the miniseries and this movie. But as it works its work so well, he actually does. Here’s ah, here’s a clip of Pennywise and his introduction here is it. Here we go. Hi, Georgie. What a nice you want it? Please look like a nice boy. But you have a lot of friends. Three of my brothers. My best. Where’s sick? Could you come up? I don’t give a about You want to join? I’m not supposed to take stuff from strangers. Oh, well, I’m penny wise and allow. Ready wife George. Georgie, meet penalize way on strangers. And then here’s since I pulled it. Here’s the Ah, 1990 version for comparison. Hi, Georgie. You’re going to say hello. Oh, come on. Don’t you want a very wise of your dad, Georgie? Every wyszynski I joined Pennywise dancing around you are, Georgie. So now we know each other. Yes. Yeah. So I guess the set up. If you don’t, you’ve never seen it or read it. So have you been hiding in a drain somewhere? Eso this scene? It has Georgie going to his brother. Bill. Right. Star start. Bill us a bill and it’s raining outside and he asks them to make a paper boat for him to play with. And so Bill’s kind of sick. And then Georgie goes down to get some wax to paint the boat or whatever. So it’ll float, and that’s that’s the great scene to where it kind of sets up the concept of it’s going to get you. And so he’s scared of the dark, and then it goes out and starts floating the boat, and it flows down a a dark storm drain. And then inside the drain is this clown just like, Hey, whoa, what’s that clown doing in that drain? And so Pennywise introduces himself and see. This is why it’s so great, because, I mean, it’s it’s hard to like explain why it works so good. But it were having a clown inside a storm drain. If you’re a little kid, yes, like the logic of it, like somehow makes sense. But you also know that it’s wrong. Yes, there’s there’s a little standoffishness because, well, wait a minute. There’s a man in the drain, but it’s a clown like that s so that’s like something that’s weird but also something that’s good. And so you put those together, and that’s how little kid logic works right? It’s like it’s like how your kid walks up to you and is like my name’s pinky purple and you’re like, Yeah, okay. And then they’re happy with that. They’re just like they’re like, they take you going. All right, whatever on there like, ah, validation you like That’s the least satisfying validation ever. But they’re just looking for the surface level. And so that’s how the clown in the drain work sucks, cause it It’s like it is off putting. But also, it’s a cliff. Yeah, that it explores several things about the relationship between children and adults in terms of their fears. Yeah, and the danger that they face first is adults just generally don’t care. Like That’s a theme that’s really exploring this film, that part of the the supernatural occurrences that the adults in this town turned a blind eye to all these children missing and getting murdered. Just they are abnormally ambivalent about it. And there’s something about that toe where you could relate to if you remember back as a kid, where real shit is happening in your life and no adult cares or understands what’s going on because it can’t be that bad. Their kids, yes, and then the other aspect is that adults are actually dangerous, right that an adult in a clown costume could actually be wanting to kill you. Yeah, Or, you know, someone could want to rape you or, you know, not have your best interests at heart even though they’re an adult and you’re kind of beholden to them. Yeah, So there’s lots of, like, really cool areas that the story explores in terms of these severe and childhood and the relationships between children and adults. And, um, it’s really great. All of those are things that Stephen King is seemingly just very obsessed with. Yeah, or at least he was in his early career. Yeah, So Pennywise introduced. And it’s just such a great like men. The scars, scars guard is so perfect for this. Hey, he just he just plays it just dead on the voice of the dead stare, the drool that’s dripping out of its huge lip. Yeah, see, here’s Here’s where we might diverge because I actually do like Tim Curry’s Pennywise. I love Curries. Um, I and it’s it’s not very different, especially watching them back to back. I realized that that Curry’s Pennywise is actually still super menacing. Yeah, when he’s talking to the kids because I remember it being kind of like just a clown, you know, just like he’s a goofy ass clown. Yeah, but something’s off because he’s in a storm train. But in reality, Curries voice is still really menacing. He has Pennywise talking to the kids, and so it’s I was kind of latched onto the voice with Bill Sparks Bill Scars guard like I thought it was too scary how you played the clown, but it’s actually pretty similar, and I think he he did do a really good job when I watched the second time. But the thing that’s missing from it 2017 is there’s no real moments where Pennywise is being just a clown, right in the miniseries there is it’s a couple moment, that intro, the setup, the intro that you played. He is being kind of just a clown, right, But But after that, almost almost never, right. Like in the in the miniseries usually sets up some of the more menacing Pennywise scenes with him just being a clown, like just being kind of a goofy like plane with noisemakers and oh, damn, I forgot to pull that cliff wait, get, um, plane with like noisemakers and like Talyn really shitty Chuck’s. But also, you know, making balloons filled with blood pop in your face. Yeah, and, you know, monsters, hands grabbing at you kind of thing, Which, to me makes it more terrifying because it’s this. There’s something scary about a really goofy clown coming after you versus a scary clown that it’s made to be scary, you know, going back to ah, Thio scars Guard versus Curry. I think I think I prefer scars. Guard, Um, they’re both great. They’re both. I mean, it’s it’s hard to compare them, really, and it’s just a matter of taste, I think. What? Ah, what bothers me a little bit about the Curry clown is first of all, he’s perfect to play the clown, right? Because he’s he’s he’s got that face that’s just kind of carny ask, you know, like two big Yeah, it’s too big, It’s tired looking. It’s it’s just it’s ah, 55 year old smoker who’s been smoking since he seven, right? And, um, but simultaneously, it’s not a good pick because it’s Tim fucking Curry, and it’s It’s like, you know, it’s just one of those guys who is so universally known for his for who he is that that it kind of brings me out of it a little bit. I just go. That’s Tim Curry. That’s Tim Curry. Every time ago, though. Look, there’s Tim Curry right there. Yeah, I mean, I think the for me it’s the voice his voice is Penny wise is can go from just goofy to Superman. Insane? Very easily. Yeah, And but in Scar’s guard, I was so shocked at how well he was able to portray just the most evil and menacing clown ever. Just like if you want a scary goddamn clown. He is it. Yeah, no pun intended. Yeah, Bill scars. Guard is is great in a in the that trivia talks about how he researched different cycle. So you looked at Norman Bates and, um, the shining What’s his name from the Shining? Yeah. Yeah, and, ah, Clockwork orange. Just all these. I mean, sounds like mostly Stanley Kubrick psycho films. So really like, you know, looking up through your eyebrows kind of thing. Yeah. So that’s like the major Stanley Kubrick signal of evil. Um, but it’s great. So the major way that this film divulge is from the miniseries ever is the divulge. It diverges, And here it is that it’s a hard R. And it is genuinely shocking when Georgie Arms gets ripped fucking clean off. Yeah, it sets the tone for the whole movie. It just It just goes, Oh, we’re going for it. We’re doing this. Yeah, we’re mutilating little kids, right? And it’s adorable little kid. Oh, man, he’s He’s even cuter than the Georgie from the original right, Which is also very cute. I mean, they’re both really cute little child actors. So Georgie’s arms get ripped off, and then the cat on the porch gives the same reaction that I have. Just like, Whoa, What the fuck? Hey. Well, what happened? Um, my question to you. So is this the best child cast ever? Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, aside from from, maybe, ah, what’s that? Stephen King stand by me. I mean, that might be that might be a little better. River Phoenix, and yeah, I don’t even know. I bet if we watched that, then we could realize some of the stout nostalgia. Yeah, Maybe he might be affecting that, like a horse without memories with me. Yeah, I mean, it’s it might be the best child cast like it’s surprising how, how good, it’s really strong. In fact, it’s It’s why stranger things work so well, right? You know, it’s just a perfectly cast kid lineup. And there’s there’s one that’s in both right. The master warn Richie. Yeah, I don’t know if he’s the best one from From stranger Things. He definitely is. And in this movie, in my opinion, I don’t know. I think I think I liked Eddie and ah and Bill a little better in this film. Yeah. I mean, they’re all so good. Yeah, they’re all they’re all good, but yeah, I mean, even even like, what? I just finished the third season of stranger things, and it’s already like there. I haven’t even bothered. They’ve They’ve met their limit. It’s like they’re getting annoying. And there, there, their bag of tricks is pretty limited. Yes, that age. Yet for some reason, with this film, they really found, like, a really good mix of kids that they could pull it off. Yeah, and the bullies in this are perfect. Yeah. I mean, they’re definitely bullies being bullies. Yeah, um, they’re the meanest fucking bullies in the entire world. Yeah, I mean, that’s that is the difference between, you know, generic bullies and the gang of Henry with his last name. Winkler. Henry Winkler. So Henry is like the main bully, and he’s got a gang of friends that have their own gimmicks. Apparently. So there’s the guy that belches l just names belch, and there’s the guy that likes fire. Uh, but Henry is a prodigy, genuinely terrifying in this film in particular because he is really a psychopath. Yeah, he’s convincingly a psychopath. He’s clearly a kid that who has been, I mean, what a great actor like they went to him and they were like, Your dad beats the shit out of out of you every night. Okay, go. And that’s the kid who he portrays, a kid who is just savagely beaten by his by his cop father and who’s told he’s worthless. And just that shit rolls right downhill to all the other kids in school. Yeah, and there’s also some mean girls that urn like the opening of the film, but that never appear again. Yeah, that’s right. That felt kinda tacked on pelican mean girls. But It was just like people are mean to Bev to Yeah. I don’t know if you have to, Like, put that in the film because I think it’s bad enough that she’s kind of rape fire Father. Yeah, all the time. I mean, that’s enough. But also, slut shaming. Yeah, but also slut Shaming. That’s right. I guess that’s the purpose of those mean girls, too. Accuser being a slip. Yeah, but I mean, it works it all. It all set it up perfectly to be thio. Have you feel real empathy for these for these kids to really feel like. Okay, now you’re part of the losers club, you know? Yeah, the the Henry Gang. Think the torments the losers club is really great. And And how they set up him displaying his psychopathy. Yeah, it is great that he attacks Ben the fat kid and let me say great casting for the fat kid sometimes. I mean, I was a fat kid growing up, So when they cast fat kids and they’re just kind of chubby, you like Chunk from it just made me feel miserable, like, Oh, everyone’s ridiculing the kid. That’s like, kind of a little overweight. Just I’m like, actually fat price. You’re not fat, You’re husky. I hated that Maur I that made me feel worse than if my mom was just like, Look at you, fat fucking slob. If she said look at you, fat fucking slob, I’d have felt better than if she was like, No, you’re just husky. Oh, that was my kryptonite. Yeah, Yeah, I really identified with Ben in this in this film is like, you know, when he takes off his shirt, it’s like, Yeah, he’s a fat kid. Yeah, and Ah, and this is another. But this is like, the second portion of the movie that where the the gang is quote unquote picking on on Ben when in reality, they’re fucking carving their name into his stomach. And this is another signal where it’s like, Jesus Christ, this movie is not fucking around at all. What is happening and sorry about that. And the it is just so shocking and also kind of believable. You’re like, Yeah, this could happen. I remember being a kid. There were fucking really tense moments. Where if there is, if there is an actual psychopath. When I was growing up, Yeah, I could I could envision being having initials carved into my stomach. I remember. I remember moments and I can’t even, like, pull them out if singularly. But I definitely remember moments where I was like, Things are super serious right now and my life might be in danger, like, you know, and this is that feeling of things are very bad. And and then the car rolls by as thieves. Kids, We’re cutting him up. Yeah, and, uh, cutting it. Carving his name Henry into India and seeking full H. And it’s like, not not like scrapes. It’s really gonna need stitches. Got cutting into him hard, and ah, then it kicks him and and falls down the hill, which is probably the more frightening thing. And then he screams, I’m gonna cut your fucking tits off. Good God! And this So basically all that to say This movie fucks life, it fucks Yeah, it’s it’s really great. And ah oh, I forgot to pick Play my my clips of belch Oh yeah Play Belge So here’s I love the idea that there’s a character named Belch. His whole purpose is just to belt Yeah, he’s He’s the Belcher. And I almost wish they did it. Maur if it was just more ridiculous if it was literally that’s all he did was belching people. I think you’re on to something I want. I want this character to exist. Uh, wow. Yeah, that was Bravo. Yugo. Here’s belt from it. 2017. Almost like just in the room. Got better than that. Come on. And then here is just for comparison sake Since I pulled it. Here’s Ah, 1990 belch 90 belches 90 wages Way better wait. And also use my boy more goofy in that miniseries. Um, so, yeah, in this film that the Henry Gang is it’s basically, like Biff Tannins Gang and get back to the future, but way more menacing. Yeah, Yeah, it is like if tenants can. You ever thought about that? Um okay, so then we go to Bill, who’s the brother of Georgie that got his arm ripped off and Bill goes back to his house and his dad’s in the garage. And, like, Bill, what is the ship? Yeah. Oh, yeah. And he’s got all his habit trail set up. And Bill is showing his theory of where Georgie is or where he could have gone. Bill misses his little brother terribly. And as and as a way of coping with it, he’s trying to strategize to find his little brother in the sewer system. Yeah, and, ah, his dad is really sick of his shit spent this? God damn it. George is dead. But if the storm swept St George Ian, we should have a car. He’s dead. Jesus. Which isn’t, You know, it’s not too ah sympathetic for your son that that lost. Well, he just lost his son. He’s going through a hard time too. He doesn’t know how to react. This is But more importantly, where am I supposed to put my habit trail? You guys want to see a hilariously fun movie? Check out the evil within its free on Amazon prime. Yeah, we have an episode of very, very early. I think that’s like 1\/3 or wait. Is that the one that we held off forever? Yeah, it’s like that. No, no, no, that was Ah, we held off. It’s like seven or eight. The evil will never within Yeah, the evil within is very early episode. So I just pulling that clip. Watching some of it’s a great dialogue is just so it’s literally feels like the room. Yeah, it’s very strong. It’s a horror movie. It’s very odd. It’s free. It needs more attention. It does need more attention. You all need to go to Amazon and watch the evil within. It’s a It’s a is a strange gem of a bad, very good bad horror movie that you all should check out. Ah, you know. So, yeah, Bill’s dad is sick of a shit. Is another adult That’s just like there’s There’s nothing going on. Just let let things lie as they are very one dimensional, you know? But I think that brings up a good point because that that clip featured bills stutter, huh? Ah, pretty, pretty heavily. And ah, I thinkit’s think were woke enough to the point where I think we need to start asking, Should that role have gone to someone with a real stutter? Um, those people do exist and they need rolls, too. So why did you get an actor to do it, right? Well, why not get I mean, why did you get somebody who doesn’t have a stutter to do a stutter. Those people need work, too, right? And why didn’t you give the role of Pennywise to someone with Parkinson’s or a real clown? Because every time he attacks, the camera is really shaky. Yeah, a real clown with Parkinson’s, right? Someone who has been a clown and identifies as a girl I I identify as a clown. I just knew bouffant it. There’s an excellent job of showing the different fears, um, of the different kids. So each kid basically gets their own little vignette of their fears. I think the miniseries and the book does a little better job of doing this. Some of the ones in this film are definitely tacked on to be just a generic jump scare yelling or a device that they they want to the scene in the film. So they made a fear around it right, and it lands like as a as a as a tool to scare. It does land. It’s just it’s just a throwaway. Yeah, or it’s just a little obvious what they’re trying to do. Great. So, Georgie is his fears great. Just the fear of the dark fear of just being a little kid and not understanding What’s going on, Bill? His fear of just losing Georgie and really wanting Georgy back and that being played on, Um, it’s great, Mike, the black kid in this one is haunted by the memory of his parents burning in a horrible fire which you wrote next to this. No, you said Matt. Yeah, it didn’t. You fucking monster. And kind of like, I don’t know, It just didn’t Didn’t work for me as much I think they wanted to do. Yeah, I mean, well, he wasn’t very flushed out as a character. Yeah, and so it was hard. I mean, but they took away a big part of his character from the original character. He’s He’s the guy that knows all about the town history. Like for some reason, he’s really into history and they injured in the miniseries in this one that’s been right. Yeah, And in the book, it’s It’s Mike as well that that knows all the town history and some, but they attribute all that toe Ben, and it’s the fat kid who knows history, not the which is fine. Um, and then let’s see. Ah, Stanley, he’s I got the fear that is the least good one, which is a creepy painting, and that and that they lean on the most. I feel like they’re like the creepy painting Lady is really working for us, and it’s like you think this is This is where they take it right out of the conjuring. I mean, this is literally like the nun from the conjuring. Yes, and they’re like, Well, this will work. Let’s let’s shove that in And it feels shoved in. Yeah, in the original one, is it Stanley? What was his fear? Stanley Waas. The He’s the funny Know Richie’s the funny kid, right? Well, no, not in the miniseries in 2017. Yeah, Ritchie’s fast talking and funny, but in the miniseries, he’s very diminutive and kept clean by his mother. No, that’s That’s Eddie, that Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry, Richie. Richie is Seth Green and the miniseries. Yeah, I’m sorry. So, Stanley, it’s kind of weird in this movie. He’s Jewish. They, like, lean onto the fact that he’s Jewish, and in the miniseries he’s a Boy Scout and leaned heavily on the fact that he’s a Boy Scout and I can’t remember which it is in the book. Are you talking about Seth Green? No, Stanley, we’re switching to We’re switching kids too fast here. Okay. In the miniseries. Do you remember the kid? That’s the boys. Yes, he is. Stanley. Yeah. In this film. Do you remember the kid that’s Jewish and has the scary painting coming after him? Yes, that Stanley. OK, OK, so I can’t remember what Stanley’s fear in the miniseries waas. Yeah, I don’t think it actually shows it. I think that’s the thing that they dio thing that comes after Oh, no, no, no, no. It was the skeleton. No, it was the mummy. Yeah, in the miniseries. Yeah. And this one. It was just a scary painting. Yeah, it just doesn’t land as well. Yeah. I mean, the mummy doesn’t blend really well either. Yeah. I mean, you see, that’s the thing with, like, having it around kids. It’s all it’s more convincing that they’re scared by lame things. Because if you remember what you were scared of as a kid, it was It was lame. Shit. It was like the mummy. It was like the wolf man. That’s why it’s why this movie works so well is because kids are scared of actual scary shit. Yeah, kids are scared of shit that lives in a closet. And now you’re like add nothing lives in the closet. But if something does live in the closet Holy shit, that’s scary. Like you’re scared of, like, financial like issues. And that’s not that’s not really scary. What if they made it? What if the sequel for for it If it Chapter two was just based on adult fears and it was just the personification of bills or the personification of not having enough money for retirement? I think that I think the way you Yeah, exactly. It’s or like a laying on your fears of your body. Just kind of slowly breaking down. Yeah, yeah, Like, out like I got And I woke up today I got a new wake My shoulder won’t ever stop hurting for the rest of my life. Well, this is it. This is how I go. That’s pretty much everything. Every time something happens in my body, that hurts. I’m just like Well, this is it. This is what my experiences from now on. Yeah, on the added to that Just Dad. Another thing onto my back um, so Ben’s thing is the headless kid coming after him from the He’s like researching the past of the of the town, and a big part of it is this explosion that happens on Easter Room, and there’s a headless kid that starts attacking him. And that’s another one. That’s just kind of tacked on because it also feels like something from a jump scare movie of Does a headless kid running after you with jiggly motion something Something to note in all this, the 2017. It was released in three D, and they leaned heavily on things running at the audience. There’s a lot of shit running and reaching and jumping toward the screen, and and so that is a theme here. And it’s why it’s why it worked really well on first viewing for me and then second time around, it was like, Oh, yeah, I forgot. There’s a movie is just a bunch of shit running at me. Yeah, but while you were watching that shit in the theater is like, Oh, God, Oh, golly, I gotta run away like it was panic inducing. Um, the last one that feels kinda tacked on is Richie He just says in this film that he’s afraid of clowns. And Richie is kind of the the wisecracker of the group, and he says he’s afraid of clowns, and the whole purpose of that is so that he can get trapped in a room full of clowns. It’s like, all right. They wanted a room full of clowns, and so they gave him a fear of clowns is very obvious in the in the original. He’s the one that’s scared of the wolf man, which I get. It doesn’t work that great, but it’s the same thing. Clowns, wolf, man. That’s the same thing. The ones that do work is Ah, Eddie. He’s afraid of germs. He’s the one that’s, like, really doted on by his mom. That’s kind of Ah, Munchausen by proxy Mom and his penny wise. Or it attacks him with a leper. Yeah, like a like a dude with the big club foot and missing the nose is missing a nose, and he’s just hacking up goop all the time. And he’s got a pill for ready to swallow. And he’s constantly like swallow Bill, just like Jesus Christ, Please, no. And then Bev, the the girl. Hers isn’t necessarily rich off a fear. What? I don’t know, Addy. I’m sorry. That was Eddie. Yeah, the terms. And then Bev the girl has probably the best sequence, but it isn’t necessarily attached to a fear. It’s more of like this is a pretty awesome sequence to do. Which is the blood coming out of the sink? Yeah, she hears the voices in the sink, and then all of a sudden, the blood comes out and, um, I don’t know. You could say that this is a little over the top because it’s literally. Every crevice of the bathroom is covered with blood. It’s crazy, like everywhere. Like underneath. It’s like someone took a power washer and with blood and just sprayed everything and got every nook and cranny. There’s no if you’re like a blood splatter analyst like you would not be able to identify where the source of the blood came from. Yeah, remember evil dead too. Or where he shoots the wall and then that little drip of blood comes out. And then it’s a fire hydrant of blood or or similar scene nightmare on Elm Street. In the original. With them, right the bed that sucks him down. But even then, like, it doesn’t cover the entire room. And like underneath the bed? Yeah, yeah, it’s a It’s a full blown Rob Zombie scene, which is kind of weird. Like the set decorator probably went a little overboard on it. Great does. In the in the scene she’s talking about her dad is like, What’s wrong? It’s like the sink. And it’s like, Well, I mean, even pointing at the sink is kind of like, No, it’s everywhere. Just say the everything look anywhere in the bathroom is covered in blood. You see how the bath you remember? What the Do you remember? What color the walls in the bathroom. Where? How? Things were different colors in the bathroom. They I mean, maybe you don’t remember the exact color, but it wasn’t blood, right? It wasn’t like blood red. Yeah, and it’s also the most effective demonstration of parents. Just not seeing anything that the kids see. And then also her her fears just, you know, getting raped by your dad. Reasonable fear. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if if that’s what your dad does. Very reasonable. Yeah. Ah, super creepy. Okay. What else should we talk about? Let’s talk about this little bit librarian, librarian, librarian. So Ben is really into reading books after and researching, and the librarian comes up to him handsome a book, and she’s Her whole attitude is like Why you reading so many books is she is the worst librarian ever. Like she first of all, she’s cast very well. She just written poorly because she’s this old doting lady who you would expect to be in the library in is she is your classic, uh, you know that she is a library in looking lady. She comes up to him, she gives him a book and she’s like, in school over. He’s like, Yeah, she’s like, Why reading somebody books? Shouldn’t you be outside? Kids were supposed to, And then she goes on to lecture him. About what? About not going to the library. Don’t you have any friends like you? Like the summer is for being outside like not reading books about the history of the city were in idiot. Okay, And then she walks away. She’s like, Fuck you, Here’s a clip. I found it. Isn’t it summer vacation? I would think you’d be ready to take a break from the books. I like it in here. The boy should be spending a summer outside with friends. Don’t you have any friends? I have the book now, bitch. Fuck you. Yeah, that was that was a great, like just I think in the book, the Librarian just is really concerned for for Ben, which makes a lot more sense. Yeah, like he’s in there every day kind of thing. So she knows him and she wishes that he had more friends, but she keeps it to herself. She doesn’t like Hey, go outside, fatty man. It would have been great if if she had gone into, like, a lecture about how fat Iwas she’s like, you know, You think e mean? Yes, this is This is definitely a better film. There are some things that I want to point out that are better in the miniseries in terms of, like structure. Maybe we should save that for the miniseries. No, we’ll talk about it too, but okay. But basically how they get introduced in the miniseries is more convincing and closer to the book, which is it happens much more organically like and the reason why they meet feels very much more like a kid activity that other kids would be into, which is mainly building a dam. Yeah, yeah, which is activity that I think every kid has done down in the Baron’s going down in the water run off area and being, like, get lots of sticks and mud and stones here. It’s building. Damn, damn! And so they kind of start doing that. And there’s new ones that kind of get introduced because that water runoff areas kind of a natural area to run away from police. Yeah. Ah, And in this movie, they just kind of all know each other. Yeah, already. The only ones that get introduced our our Ben, Bev and Mike. Yeah, but they get introduced in decent ways, like Ben gets introduced cause they hear him getting beaten up right now. And then they run. They’re like, Well, we can’t just let somebody just beat on some kid. So they go down there to help him, and then right when they dio Yeah, I mean, I guess the purpose for all I know, That wasn’t Ben. That was the black kid. Yeah. Mike Mike. Yeah, It just felt it felt less organic. It was fine. It just felt not as as relatable. Right? Maybe I’m jacking prices. Ah, has way too much nostalgia for the 1st 1 and it shows right now. Okay. One of the great things about this group of kids is the joking banter throughout. Very convincing. More so than the miniseries. Much more because they because the miniseries had their hands died, I’m sure like you can’t put a lot of this stuff on TV. Whereas you could definitely fit it into an R movie. Yeah. Here’s, um, Eddie going off about gray water. Our teacher is coming in square water. What the hell’s going on? One. It’s basically piss and shit. So I’m just telling you, guys are splashed around and millions of gallons of dairy. So what? Are you serious? My cock up Policing. You okay? I can smell that from here. Forward Is your breath walking back into your face? Yeah, it’s great. Probably just your breath wafting back into your thing. Lots of your mom jokes. And, like talking about each other’s mom’s pussies and stuff like it feels much more real. What the shit that kids would talk about isn’t that weird. That that’s like that is that’s what feels Really? Yeah, I’m talking about your mom’s busy. That’s why that’s why South Park works, because kids are foul mouth. Oh, man, are they ever? But it’s just so strange that, like that is the truth, probably throughout all of history is like, No, it doesn’t make sense for it to be like cute banter. It makes sense for it to be your mom’s pussy. Like throughout human history kid banter is that, um, I think we’ve s o. I mean, they’re they’re all grouped together, and they’ll figure out that they’re all tormented by the same clown Pennywise, and they bond over that. And then they all decide to get to the bottom of it and get rid of this clown. However they can. And they kind of latch on pretty early that the Pennywise only has power. If they’re afraid of him, right, he’s He’s less powerful if you I know that it’s just a figment of your imagination. Very much of John F. Kennedy, the only on to fear is fear itself kind of thing, right? So ah, penny wise. Throughout this movie, the other thing that I kind of have a beef with an ever talk about is the shaky clown syndrome, and I wish they were more creative with how Pennywise attacked the kids. There are some creative ways that the attacks, but for the most part it’s show fangs run towards the camera very shakily. Yeah, um, there’s, you know, there’s a lot of pensive staring as well. Yeah, but that’s not an attack. That’s just like, I mean, in the in the I think in the book and in the miniseries that it plays more on each kid’s individual fear. Or like there’s something doing unexpected things. There’s some aggressive balloon Ah, chases. Yeah, some balloon advancements. So, like a great scene from the miniseries of the shower scene, where the Pennywise like comes out of the drink, blame ations his hands into the into the drain and widens it. Yeah, yeah, that I don’t know why, but that that seems very specifically sticks with me. As as like being very disturbing. Like I remember as a kid being like Jesus Christ, you just pull the drain open like that. Um, Bev, the girl in this movie is super effective and she is a creep magnet and Ah, yeah. I don’t know how much I can say without incriminating myself. Yeah, Bryce is being very careful with his words. He’s She’s a creep magnet. All right. We’ll just, uh we’ll just say that on Bryce concert here being all creepy. I mean, what what do you What do you think of bed, David? Well, damn. Look at those hot children, David. It’s gonna haunt me until they’ve until I die. Yeah, I mean, she’s She’s very striking her pain. I totally understand why she’d be a creep magnet. Yeah, George, She’s like, I mean, not only attacked by your dad, but there’s, like, a creepy pharmacist That’s super super schlubby. Yeah, this is she, like, takes advantage. There’s a thing that this movie plays on, and, Ah, and they’re not. They don’t shy away from which is there’s something very attractive about a young girl knowing she’s very attractive and using it to her advantage. I mean, not not even that I think she’s just very friendly and very like she is. She’s aware of herself, and I mean, she’s what you call it. She’s flirt, flirtatious, right? She understands the power of flirting. I mean, yeah, so but she’s not like a temptress or something. Oh, yeah? Well, that’s a That’s a pretty thin line. Uh, I mean I mean, you know, So I don’t know. What would you say about a girl? A girl who approaches a pharmacist and is like, Hey, you look with those glasses, You look kind of like Clark Kent. And then when he plays back into her thing in a very creepy way, she’s like, uh, you know, it’s like, Yeah, yes, there’s that. You know, it’s It’s just I mean, if you’re told, like by everyone that you’re a slut and you’ve probably never actually had sex. Well, other than you know what, your dad, rather than the rape, then, yeah, I think you you like, use it to your advantage. Yeah. No, I’m not. I’m not arguing with that. It’s just something that this movie uses very effectively. They don’t show. And then, like, this is probably the most effective portrayal of pre teen sexuality. Sexuality? Yeah, of the girl appearing in the group of boys and the boys are all just like that one scene where she’s sunning herself. You after they go swimming and all the boys were just sitting there, like, just just in awe of this. You know, it’s so this is the ultimate nostalgia because I can, really I mean, this was all of high school for me just being like, Look at those beautiful creatures, Look at them. But don’t go near. Don’t do not approach them because you will scare them away. Your terrible, ugly, ugly face will terrify them, and ill is it’s a completely mysterious force. The the power that an attractive woman can have over a young boy. And they do not have the facility to handle it. There’s like, I’m so glad I have girls because just just looking at they’re so far advanced compared compared to. And I think back on myself and I’m like Jesus Christ, I was ill equipped like I was just just so dopey, you know, And, uh and I mean, I guess everybody’s dopey, and I I’m probably giving too much credit to anybody just because I you know, it says too much about me. But man, that feeling of being ah, young lad with lots of hormones going through me and then just not knowing what to do with my hands. You know, just being like I I got nothing. I just wish I had something, man. Wouldn’t it be great if I had something? And this this movie captures that pretty great in a couple different scenes with the boys Admiring Bev? Yeah. Yeah. And always with respect, you know, you always the way that I remember it. And it’s the other people, the people outside of this group that are perverted and weird, the people who are calling her a slut or a whore or whatever it is, they’re the creepy ones because they view her that way. These kids don’t they respect her. Yeah. I mean, it’s the thing with the With the Losers club is that they’re in awe that she’s around them right, and they don’t want to ruin a good thing. Don’t scare away. But they can’t. They can’t treat her like just one of them because she has this power over them, which I don’t think even women understand what that’s like. They just don’t understand the power or the the energy that’s created from like a young boy. It’s attracted any boy man now, like Yeah, even even now, but especially at that age, just like just barely breaking through puberty, it’s like it is weird. It’s the amount of just confused, conflicted and impressively strong feelings are. Yeah, if you if you think about all the stories that are told are all the myths that Air told over history are mostly to help explain or manage the feelings of that of going through puberty. You have all the superhero stories of of getting new powers like it’s basically explaining that, like all of a sudden, it’s apparent trying really hard not to be too obvious that they’re given the sex talk, right? Like all of a sudden, it’s this extreme source of energy and anxiety and, like impetus, yeah, towards something that you have no no exposure to. All of a sudden, you know exactly what you want as it’s it’s It’s weird, but it’s very, very effective. This is Yeah, this is a movie. Where if you No, never mind. Okay, um, you got you guys could make up your minds about what he was going to say. Uh huh. Okay, I’ll say it. So you know how there’s nothing more creepy about people on Reddit explaining the difference between a feeble file and a pedophile. No, I don’t know. Can you really don’t know if I’ve come across this a couple times? And there’s something very pathetic about it. I don’t understand. Sophie B file is like drawing a difference between a pedophile, which is a kid, someone that’s sexually attracted to young children. And Phoebe File is someone that’s attracted to, like a just barely post pube Essen. Oh, so so kids under age. But like, yeah, like a 14 to 16 year old okay, thing would be in a feeble five. Yeah, contracted to young girls that air. So is people trying to justify their their legal pedophilia. Well, that’s not It’s not even legal. It’s just saying like, this is a different thing and like I mean, right, they’re calling. They’re basically saying like, Yeah, it’s not technically legal, but it makes sense evolutionarily right, which is Yeah, it’s true. But also don’t touch kids. Whatever. I see someone talking about like it’s not pedophilia. It’s a Phoebe Ophelia. I’m like you’re you’re a creep. Yeah, like if if If that’s the if that’s the hill, you’re going to die on the drawing that line, like no one wants to be around you. Sorry. It has nothing to Yeah. So this this movie would be would definitely be a movie where their people be Those people explaining the difference between pedophilia and a fever affiliate. Justo, make them sort of self field. Yeah, and the answer to that is Yes, sure. Evolutionarily. Yeah. There you there. They’re very there. It makes sense evolutionarily, but you know what? It doesn’t make sense. They’re not. They don’t have the capacity to make good decisions because they’re still in their mind. They’re still a kid, right? They got a lot of maturing to do. Like I I’m just barely an adult right now. And I’m 35 I think, in terms of like, brain maturity, it your brain isn’t doesn’t stop growing and developing until, like, you’re 25 like that’s when you reach a point where you can actually make good decisions. Yeah, basically, it’s just everything else is is you actually do not have the ability to make long term decisions, right? And it’s not fair for it’s It’s so creepy and terrible for an adult two, even even to go, You know, essentially prey on, you know, 18 to 23 45 year olds. Yes. It’s just it feels like preying on something because it’s because it is kind of iss. Right? Yeah. Um, not to say that I wouldn’t want to, but it’s wrong, right? I can recognize that. If hemophilia? I don’t know. If so, I’m 37. Like, where is the line for 37 isn’t it? Isn’t there like a like a jokey rule? It’s, like, half your age plus something. Oh, I’m gonna say I’m gonna say the best the best. Like if if you’re measuring the word Best buy youngest that a 37 year old could go for eyes 27 just 10 years off. Yeah, but if you were 40 I would say 29. Okay. You know, Yeah. Uh, there’s there’s such arbitrary lines in the sand, though. I mean, yeah, yeah. Asking the hard questions are movie talked in the research, so you don’t have to. The production design of it 2017 again is really using modern horror tropes of having just super dark and dank apartments and settings like everywhere. Looks like kind of a crack house, but mo the dank the day s O that the dank apartments for Bev and Eddie, um are something that just feels out of Ah, Harmony, Corinne. Film like gum. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um is harmony Corinne? Is that a man? Uh huh. Okay, he’s a weird dude. Yeah, it’s It’s a weird name. It is a very hard named a place where many, Corinne, it might be harmony or Herman. I’m actually not quite sure about that. Um, you know, we do a lot of research for these episodes. Eddie’s mom in particular is like this weird gross hell man character. She’s a cross between, like a Tim and Eric character and a character from gum. Oh, yeah, we’re just gross. Like weird. Strange. She just wearing this dirty windbreaker. And she’s Yeah, she’s kind of like in a fat suit. Almost. Yeah, she’s just strangely overweight. Like greasy. Yeah. Sweaty, sweaty. Yeah, she’s very Tim and Eric that’s dead on. And very Gummo. And, uh, yeah, she’s She’s one of the best parts of this movie. Yeah, and so she’s kind of Munchausen by proxy. She’s, you know, telling Eddie that he’s got all these sicknesses and stuff and got him on all these pills. And then he eventually finds out that they’re all placebos, that there’s actually nothing wrong with What is he column e got a clip when he finds out that the sickness Okay, what what sickness, Mom. These are their bows. That’s probably one of the best wines. Best funny moments of the greater good. He was such a huge, such a well done character. Yeah, so this film really explorers all these, you know, concepts and doesn’t pretty well. There’s lots of jump scares pretty much you could take out from any other modern film. But that doesn’t really well in this film. Two. It’s not super important to talk about the plot other than they’re they’re being attacked by clown and that it’s based on their fear. Eventually, they kind of go on the attack. They go into a haunted house and the well house. Yeah, the well house. And then they’re attacked by Pennywise. And then they don’t succeed. They go into his underground sewage layers, do it. They do it once they attack in just the house, and that’s when Eddie gets his arm broken. And then there’s kind of a montage, the kind of nothing really happens. And then they just go back, Yeah, and then go underground into the sewer system. And that’s where they kind of have their final battle, which is pretty effective. It’s confronting fear. They confront fear and they kind of use, um, them some kid logic. They It’s not as explained as it is in the book about the concept of It’s like using child logic to attack. It’s a damn sight better than the miniseries, let me tell you. But yeah, the danger is, if you want to do it more, Um, if you wanted to do it more like the book, you have to take a lot of exposition, all dialogue to explain it. Yeah, and it just comes off. Not great, right? And and I think I think it doesn’t effective job of basically, you know, portraying that these kids are standing up to what they’re afraid off. You know, the one. The one issue I have with this is is it’s It’s shocking how weak Pennywise is for something that is that he is self described as eternal, you know? Well, yeah, I mean, it’s it’s that’s The thing is that he’s weak because they don’t fear him right anymore. And so they’re on the attack, and that’s like the power and he still menacing while they’re attacking. But it’s just he’s not effective. And fear comes back every 30 years, right? So and what is that? That’s about a cycle of a generation. So every time you have a new generation born, you have fear reborn. So I think, yeah, I think it I mean, it probably makes a lot more sense in the book. It’s and it makes a decent amount of sense in 2017. But the minister is pretty lacking. Um, there could see posts. There is a rose. Let me see it. And then they attacked him. And then Pennywise kind of start disintegrating. It’s cool. It’s really cool. Every time he gets hurt, his blood floats. Yeah, it floats up, which is super neat. And then also yeah, his layer where it shows all the kids floating because they make a big deal of like we all float down here. And that is probably the one of the coolest visuals. Is this giant stack of dead bodies and live bodies that are floating around in the air like they’re zero gravity float, float, float, float, float, float. That’s what we should do when we go to see Chapter two. We should get in the theater and right before you know right is the starting credits are rolling. Would be like starting champion, float, float, float, float and everybody behind. We let flow flow or probably just be us sand flow. We could try to do it like the Mighty Ducks, where someone that just goes float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float, float. Yeah, and then we will get the whole get the whole theater to do. It’ll be great. It’ll work out exactly as we imagined in our heads. We’ll put it on Instagram if we can figure out how to use it. Yeah, you should video Bryce. We can’t be those people. We can’t be the old people who don’t know how to use the new stuff you have aware. So they they finally kind of defeat Pennywise and it it feels like this could be just a self contained movie. If it didn’t work out, this would have been like a fine, self contained movie. They don’t necessarily need the sequel. And, to be honest, like the kid’s stuff is way more interesting than the adult side of it. So I’m kind of curious what they’re going to do with Chapter two. It’s got a great cast, so it’s got all the pieces that they need. So but we’ll see. Um, attack him. Pennywise kind of disintegrates. And then he says, Kind of an on the nose final Goodbye. Which is there? All right, we get it. Ah, so yeah, that’s that’s it. There’s probably some more so we could talk about, but that’s the main points that I wanted it cover. So what’s the What’s the final recommendation for it, man? Definitely. See it. You should see it if you haven’t seen it yet to prepare for chapter two. Yeah. Um, it sze cheap, like four bucks on to rent. It’s a high quality. Well done. Really disturbing. Um, more movie like solid, solid horror movie that I mean, I If that sounds terrible to you, it is for you. If it sounds great to you, it’s gonna be pretty great. And if you haven’t seen it, what the heck you doing? Spin out for two years? So shall we do? Let’s just let’s do tagline years. Tagline. Um, lines is a game where we come up with alternate taglines for the movie. We are reviewing that. I think you’re better student VfL. You want to go first? You want me to go? Sure. I’ll go first. Minor. Bad way. Always say that, but it always pulls through it. 2017 Making horror. Pito again? I used to be kind of paedo it. 2017 God damn! Look at those hot children. No raping This is my treat. Okay, go ahead. My 2nd 1 is a clip that we have queued up. This is from the Simpsons. When Homer can’t stop thinking about that billboard he saw four clown college thesis action you’re supposed to be monitoring is on fire. Funny clowns are scary. Ah, it Stephen King’s classic without the weird sex stuff. But a little bit of Okay, My third is a follow up clip from The Simpsons where Homer is crafting a circus tent out of mashed potatoes at the family dinner. That’s the match. But ma’am, don’t have someone. Theo. Theo, You people have stood in my way long enough. I’m going to clone college. I don’t think any of us expected him to say that. That was my exact reaction in this movie. I’m going to clown College 2017 like, stand by me, But with more arms being ripped off. Yeah. Yeah. At least one more. Next, we’re gonna be talking with David’s wife. But her reaction to horror porn? Oh, yeah. She she wasn’t It wasn’t a big fan. We’ll have to let her tell the story. Yeah, we’ll let her tell the story. So here we go. And Ah, Okay. So set the scene for me. You’re listening. Does David come to you with the episode and say you have to listen to the horror porn, or you like natural listening to it. So, um, he told me about the idea and the very beginning, and I got very excited about it because I’m a huge Howard Stern fan, a huge Howard Stern fan, And they do this type of stuff all the time on the show, and I always play along with it. And so, uh, he let me listen to it, uh, before you guys put it out. I got a sneak preview, right. It’s one of the perks of being married to someone in harmony is very exciting. And so, uh, first of all, I couldn’t hear. I mean, it was on his computer, the it was going through his headphones, so I didn’t hear, like, full on everything. You didn’t have the hip bones on. No, I didn’t have him on. Oh, okay. He just turned up the volume really large. Very David. Um, and I got into it in the beginning, and then it was when he got to the hocus pocus form. And then I realized you’re bullshitting me. Thing isn’t really And I got very angry. Whoa. Bullshitting you. In what sense? Because I thought it was really I get really? So on the stern Show that it Israel that was Don’t you remember hocus pocus? Stop it. What? See, I just don’t understand your reaction on the Stern show. The last time they did one of these, it was like, um, they would play a clip of somebody giving a speech at an award show, and then you had to guess whether or not it was the at the Emmys. That the person was giving the speech for or if it was at the adult video awards, Okay. And it was awesome because you’d have people up there being like, I just want to make all the ladies in this category for all their hard work and be like, Oh, that. And then Robin on the show would guess what? Itwas it all gas. And then to be like, it was the adult video for them. So anyways, I just That was not authentic. Once I realized it was old joke. I mean, it was funny. No, no, it was I mean, it was really funny photos, mostly because it was unexpected because I didn’t remember those parts. I mean, after the episode, I mean, he showed me all the clips. It was totally legit. Like those air definitely debt. You men go back to hocus pocus. I mean, out of context. It seems like no way that couldn’t be from hocus pocus, but I mean it is No, it’s not. David didn’t show you the clips. You’re messing with me. So you’re angry at David was very angry and I told him that he shouldn’t play that e j headed it out because other people were playing along and would get mad. Ah, you don’t know how delighted. You probably do know how delighted David was at that reaction. Yeah, because it’s better than he could have ever expected it to go. What? You made me even angry. All right, well, it’s not for everyone. Well, we’re going to do it again. This this episode. But we didn’t have time. We’ll probably do it on chapter two. We’ll see how it goes. Maybe maybe you’ll win this time. Okay. Thanks for stopping by care. Thank you. That was hilarious. Okay, what a delightful anecdote. You crazy, crazy lady. So that’s horror movie talk for this week. Thanks for listening. And again, go check out horror movie talk dot com. 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We saw Ready or Not in theaters, and while my expectations were extremely low, I can honestly say that this is one of the best new movies I’ve seen all year. It’s a dark comedy that has plenty of high stakes and tension which made for a fabulous experience. https://youtu.be/ZtYTwUxhAoI Ready or Not can be found in movie theaters now! The full movie! Watch Ready or Not Full Movie Available for Pre-order on Amazon Ready or Not Ready or Not Synopsis Ready or Not is the story of a beautiful, young couple, Grace (Samara Weaving of The Babysitter) and Alex Le Domas (Mark O’Brien of Arrival) on their wedding day at Alex’s family estate. The Le Domas family are the heirs and proprietors of a Milton-Bradley esque board game company and are the kind of wealthy that begets butlers, maids, and like 20 dumbwaiter’s in their palatial mansion.  The Le Domas family are made up of Alex’s brother, Daniel Le Domas (Adam Brody of Jennifer’s Body), father Tony (Henry Czerny), mother Becky (Andie MacDowell of Groundhog Day), and the rest. The Le Domas family are as proud as they are superstitious and cruelly witty.  Right before they consummate their marriage, Alex tells his new wife that in order to be accepted into the family she has to play a game with them at midnight. She agrees, and through a ritualistic choosing method she learns that she will be playing Hide and Seek. She soon learns that Hide and Seek is the only game you don’t want to play with the Le Domas family, as they are now going to attempt to kill her to hold up their end of a bargain with the devil that their great, great grandfather made. Ready or Not Review Ready or Not is directed by Matt Bettinelli-Olpin and Tyler Gillett, who are most notable for the underground horror favorite V/H/S. Lots of the people who worked on this film have some horror chops already, which may have some role in how well it turned out. I think most of the credit for this coming together can’t be attributed to any single source. Everyone did a great job on this movie. Truly witty banter mixed with horrendous scenes of shocking brutality punctuates, the “just another day” feel of this black comedy. The Le Domas Family out for blood! I was so impressed with this movie from the 15 minute mark and on, that I have no choice other than to score it highly. I will be watching it again the same way I watch Cabin in the Woods and Tucker and Dale vs Evil – to have fun while laughing at incredible dark comedy.  Score for Ready or Not 9/10 Spoilers for Ready or Not The movie starts with Daniel (the brother) helping to kill a guy in the family house. To be precise, a guy is clearly trying to run away from other adults, and the child Daniel outs him to everyone. They then drag the man to his doom in the “family only” room. The Family The family is made up of a bunch of rich people stereotypes, all of whom have a biting dry wit, and plenty of personal foibles. There is the: Overweight brother-in-law Menacing aunt Coked up sister Unbearable rich kids Man-in-charge father Woman-in-charge-of-man-in-charge mother Unenthusiastic but well-meaning brother Come-from-the-streets sister-in-law Alex explains to Grace that they play a game at midnight, and it could be chess or checkers, or any game, but you don’t have to win, you just have to play.  Recent Classic Horror Movies? Check out Our Review of Evil Dead (2013) https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/01/evil-dead-2013-review/ I would like to take a minute to point out that the family name that she is marrying into is Le Domas – which you may know is French for, “The Dumbass”.  Hide and Seek Begins They funnel the family into a private, family, only game room and proceed to tell a story about the beginning of the Le Domas family fortune. They explain that a small box will shuffle some cards and spit out a card with the name of the game to be played. The box says Hide and Seek, and everyone bites their lip except Grace. Grace is a little buzzed and gets sent off into the house to hide while the Le Domas family plays a goofy record that lasts for 100 seconds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLm6Z3If5OU Yay, let’s play a game! The soundtrack to this movie is fabulous, consisting of goofy and off-putting older songs mixed with classical and orchestral pieces that really make Ready or Not feel grand. The family arms themselves with some old-timey weapons and turns off the camera system to pay homage to the way the game was meant to be played, and they set out to find and sacrifice her. Check them kicks One thing that stood out to me while enjoying this movie – hide and seek works really well for a horror premise. Besides the fact that many horror movies are made as a big game of hide and seek, you have the inherent excitement that comes with empathizing with the hidey…hider? You also have the tension involved with being the seeker. The game itself works for me. Fabulous Acting Every bit of acting in this movie was hammy and fun. It was a well-acted movie, and holy hell, Samara Weaving can scream! If she isn’t the new scream queen, I will be damned. She has that true terror in her screams that really makes the audience shudder. https://youtu.be/XcATvu5f9vE The maids looked just like the backup dancers in the Addicted to Love Music Video Check out Our Review of Greta! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/03/06/greta-review/ The Stakes are High! The first death comes early, when the nanny goes looking for one of the kids who she was charged with keeping in their beds while the rest of the family tries to murder Grace. The nanny is filtering through the rooms looking for the kid, and she stumbles into the room where Alex has just met Grace to tell her what’s going on. Alex and Grace hide and before they know it, the coked-up sister runs in the room and shoots the nanny in the face. Lots of gurgling ensues. Lots. Like a lot. It’s quite funny. Oh lawd she comin Once Grace realizes the stakes, she panics, but also becomes a badass – ripping off parts of her wedding dress and eventually finding an elephant gun and bandolier. Cocaine’s a Hell of a Drug There are plenty of tense moments and close calls, the coked-up sister keeping accidentally killing people who tend to gurgle a lot. It’s a super dark running gag, and they play it up a lot. We learn that the Le Domas family believes that if they don’t perform the sacrifice on Grace by dawn, they will be killed by satan for their breaking of the family contract with him. None of the family is actually sure about it, but they all err on the side of playing it safe…wouldn’t you?  Throughout the Ready or Not, we see Daniel show remorse about being tied to a family who performs ritual sacrifices to Satan. Something about and as the movie draws to a close we are left on the edge of our seat as to whether he will defeat these personal demons.  At one point Grace falls into a pit of dead goats…and more… The evil eye aunt eventually tells the story of how Ale should be the leader of the family, and he needs to embrace his new role as the head of the dumbasses. What an Ending! Toward the end of the movie, the family has Grace on the alter and just as the pass the sacrificial cup around and take a swig; they learn that they were poisoned by Daniel who wants to help Grace escape.  Alex realizes that Grace won’t stay with him after this and even he turns on her to save his own skin. The Dead Don’t Die is as fun as Ready or Not! Check Out Our Review! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/06/19/the-dead-dont-die-review/ As the family converges on her, the drapes are pulled back to reveal the sun! The family shrinks back in terror, expecting to die…but they do not. They stand and realize that they have been wrong about the deal with the devil this whole time. How silly of them! Then, one at a time, after the relief has set in, they burst like overfilled water balloons full of blood! It’s horrendous. The aunt, boom! The dad, boom! Even the two little kids, boom! Fabulous! Unwinding after a long night! A first responder comes to the now burning down house and finds Grace smoking a cigarette on the back law and asks her, “Jesus Christ, what happened to you?!” She slowly responds, “….., in-laws.” Final Recommendations for Ready or Not If you love dark humor, gore, and just really well-done movies, you should see Ready or Not. I would be surprised if this title didn’t find its place among titles like Tucker and Dale vs Evil.

This week we are reviewing 47 Meters Down: Uncaged. This film took a great premise and solid jump scares, but still bored me for half of the film. It definitely delivers on crunchy shark action, but if you want more than on-the-nose expositional dialogue and tissue paper thin character, maybe just rewatch Jaws. https://youtu.be/AvXjx8SZbv8 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Trailer 47 Meters Down: Uncaged can be found in theaters now. The full movie! 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Synopsis 47 Meters Down: Uncaged is the sequel to the 2017 film, 47 Meters Down. It is by the same director, Johannes Roberts, but an all new cast of disposable teens. The film is about four American teen girls in Mexico that go scuba diving into a secret submerged Mayan City inside underwater caves. The Mayan caves hold more than just the Mayan version of the terracotta warriors, it also contains deadly albino Great White Sharks! The sharks are blind, but that presents no problem for them, since their other senses are heightened, and these basic bitches keep screaming and clamoring about. With their air supply dwindling in the claustrophobic space, the girls and others get picked off one by one by the insatiable eating machines as they try to make their way out. Watch 47 Meters Down: Uncaged 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Full Movie Stream On Amazon Review of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged This movie has a lot going for it. It has a great premise, plenty of quality jump scares, and delivers on the promise of brutal shark attacks. For me though, all of this is undercut by a boring, paint-by-numbers, super on-the-nose script. Much like The Meg, 47 Meters Down: Uncaged has a script that is obviously simplified so that it is easier to translate for international audiences. What the script doesn’t contain is a character that I care about, or any interesting dialogue. The strength of the film is the design of the sharks and the shark attack sequences. The action sequences are visceral and come fast and sudden. Also, Quenton Tarantino would probably be a big fan of this movie since about 1/5 of it is devoted to close ups of women’s feet kicking towards the camera. In the end, I was cheering for the sharks to kill everyone, because at least that ending would make it interesting. This isn’t a movie that I would recommend running to the theater for, but if you want to see a movie about sharks eating people, then you will definitely enjoy this. While I did enjoy some moments in this film, I was checking my watch any time that someone wasn’t getting eaten by a shark. It’s not terrible, but it’s also not very good. Score for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged 4/10 If you like horror movies based in Mexico, check out our review of The Ruins: https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/05/08/the-ruins-movie-review/ Spoilers for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Expand for Spoilers One of the features of this film is the weird soundtrack. It’s an amalgamation of 80’s pop music juxtaposed with an atmospheric electronic score. Which would be fine, but when you see a young black man absolutely rocking to an INXS song, it tends to distract. The Opening The opening of the film features the main character, Mia, played by Sophie Nélisse, being pushed into a pool by some stereotypical mean girls. The setting is in Mexico on the Yucatan peninsula, but there is nary a Mexican to be seen, nor Spanish to be uttered. This is one of the many things in the movie that never get explained. Check Out Our Review of Tusk https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/18/tusk-review/ We find out that Mia’s Sister Sasha, played by Corrine Foxx, isn’t a big fan of Mia, because reasons. Their dad is an underwater archaeologist(?) that just made a new discovery. He can’t spend time with Mia because he needs to set up the new site, so he gets them tickets to a glass bottom boat ride to see sharks feed. A Fateful Decision Mia and Corrine ditch the boat ride with the mean girls and instead go with two of Sasha’s friends, Alexa (Brianne Tju) and Nicole (Sistine Rose Stallone) to a secret lake. Come oooooooon! They discover scuba equipment meant for the archaelogist and decide to dive to see the sunken Mayan City. Why is the Mayan City under 47 Meters of water, you ask? Don’t! Albino Shark Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo… The Mayan City is barely explored by the girls or the script before they start getting eaten by giant blind albino great white sharks. Mostly the people that get eaten are the ones that the girls meet at regular intervals. Finally when they find Mia’s father, he takes them to the surface and shows them a rope to climb up. The sharks show up soon after and start attacking before the first girl can climb up. When Corrine tries to clambor up,the rope breaks. Pause. The rope breaks from the weight of two skinny teen girls. This is the caliber of script we are dealing with. The Ending of 47 Meters Down: Uncaged Explained The film ends with Mia and Sasha, the last survivors, finding their way to the glass bottom boat and getting saved. But not before getting bitten by regular, non-albino great white sharks. Mia, in a constructed badass moment, stabs the shark biting her with a sharks tooth she was carrying. In an attempt to communicate a non-existent character arch, Mia shares a look with the lead mean girl. But the moment carries the same amount of gravity as a feather on the moon. Final Recommendations for 47 Meters Down: Uncaged If you want to see sharks eat people and you really don’t care about anything else, this is the movie for you.

We went and saw Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, and it was average with a smile. Those ingrown hairs make for the best pops! Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Trailer https://youtu.be/A11tX8iu0zQ Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Synopsis Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie about four stereotypical kids (Stella (Zoe Margaret Colletti), Ramon (Michael Garza), Auggie (Gabriel Rush), and Chuck (Austin Zajur))who enter a haunted house on Halloween and find a book that has more scary stories than they bargained for! As the teens fight bullies and work their way through early November, they begin to realize that the book they took from the house is haunted, and the spirit that haunts it has a penchant for writing scary stories about the teens and their acquaintances that always come true. Watch Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Full Movie Click here to Watch As the teens wrestle with teen hood and their own demons, they are forced to come to terms with the reality that this book and the woman who wrote it are trying to kill them in scary story ways. There are lots of chases, jumpscares, racist cops, and nostalgic feels to be had in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. It even culminates in exactly the way you might think it would, which we will mention in the spoilers section. The Boo Book Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark is a movie loosely based around the 1981 book of short stories of the same name, which spawned two other books. More Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (1984), and Scary Stories 3: More Tales To Chill Your Bones (1991).  All three books are available for purchase on Amazon for a pretty good steal, and they still hold up. Want To See Short Stories Done Right? Creepshow Review! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/01/30/creepshow-1982-review/ Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark Review The movie takes some of the stories and ideas from the books and throws them together into a mashup of jumpscares and dark sets. The screenplay was adapted from a screen story written by Guillermo del Toro and rewritten by Dan Hageman and Kevin Hageman, who, I feel may have done it less service than del Toro might have. While Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark wasn’t terrible, it was only a little bit more interesting than average. The plot made sense, the acting was on point, the production was pretty good. It’s nothing to write home about, and the payoffs are completely underwhelming. The nostalgia was nice, but isn’t it always? Maybe that’s what makes these nostalgia grabs so offensive, it works every time, and it’s so low effort – but I guess you could say the same thing about jumpscares, and I love those. Score for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark 6/10 Wanna See a Fun Summer Blockbuster? Check Out Our Review of The Meg! https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/24/the-meg/ Spoilers for Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark The movie starts with a bully who says, “Let’s go scare some kiddies tonight, guys!” This is, perhaps, the goofiest line I can think of and teed off the movie well.  The main bully, Tommy (Austin Abrams), is the least assuming bully on the planet, small in stature, slight of build, fair of complexion, and is constantly drunk and rattling off goofy lines like this. It’s a joy to behold, and one of those touches that makes it goofy and real at the same time. Dean Norris is the only cast member you might recognize in this movie, and he is a great actor, who plays the main character’s (Stella) dad. The only problem with this is anytime I see Dean Norris I just think, “They’re not rocks, they’re minerals, Marie!” If you play the main detective in Breaking Bad, you ARE the main detective from Breaking Bad. Which makes me feel sorry for Dean, but at the same time, “Jizzus Christ, Marie!” https://youtu.be/yDVIrp8XaWI I’ve got some geodes coming! I just love this. There are a few different spooks going on in Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, so I will try to lay them out for you in a way that doesn’t ramble as much as the movie does. Keep in mind; this is the spoilers section: Harold the Scarecrow Harold is the fattest, ugliest, most desiccated corpse of a scarecrow I have ever seen in my life. I’m not sure, but Harold may be the dead body of Tommy’s (the bully) stepdad, whom Tommy hated very much. There is no backstory here; there is only Tommy beating Harold constantly with a bat and beer bottles to impress his friends? Harold has his revenge on Tommy by turning the cornfield into an endless maze and stabbing Tommy with a pitchfork that gives Tommy straw man syndrome. The effects of straw man syndrome include coughing up hay, having hay come out of your fingers, and hay fever. If not cured, the patient will become a scarecrow. Just hanging out with Harold Sarah Bellows, author of the Scary Stories Book Sarah was part of the Bellows family, the founding family of Mill Valley, PA. She was also a little different, and therefore the shame of her family, tortured and experimented on by her brothers, left in a dark room and generally mistreated. She wrote and haunted the book that our protagonists found and causes all of the mischief and murders in the movie. The Toe Lady The Toe Lady is basically a corpse who had some of her body parts inserted into Auggies chili/stew by Sarah Bellows writing. As Auggie takes a bite, he notices what he is chewing on is the big toe of the Toe Lady. Auggies is pulled under his bed by the Toe Lady and never seen again. Miss placing a toe is so common The Red Spot Chuck’s sister finds what looks like a pimple on her cheek before a date with Tommy, the jerk. A few days later, right before she is going on at a school play, she attempts to fiddle with it, and spiders come gushing out of her face. The others react quickly enough that she manages only to be placed in a mental hospital instead of winding up dead. The Red Room When the teens decide to find out more about Sarah bellows to hopefully save their skin, it’s Chuck’s turn to go. Chuck finds himself in a lockdown situation in the insane asylum. A strange-looking girl who looks and acts like something straight out of a Studio Ghibli movie walks at him down long corridors. Everywhere he turns, she is there. Four of her converge on him until one of the girls envelops him in her crazy folds. Who needs a hug?! The Jangly Man The heavy hitter of this movie is the body horror fiend known as The Jangly Man. Senior Jangles, as he likes to be called is a contorting, crunching, body morphing, horror that possesses the ability to fall apart limb from limb and reconfigure himself at will. This guy is after Ramon, and boy is he spoopy. Mr. Bo Jangles In the end, the two remaining teens, Stella and Ramon manage to make it out thanks to Stella’s quick thinking. She manages to convince Sarah’s ghost that she will write her story for her. Oh yeah, Stella’s a writer… So there’s that. Final recommendations While Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark wasn’t bad, it wasn’t great. It was pretty by the books. Its the movie you would write if you were tasked with writing a movie based on the book, Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. If that sounds like fun to you, give it a whirl, otherwise meh. Taglines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQA8JOErk5Q

We re-watched Paranormal Activity 2, and it still holds up. It takes everything that works from the first film and ever so slightly expands on it. It’s not perfect, but it is highly effective. It also happens to be one of the most profitable horror movies of all time. Listen to our review in this episode of Horror Movie Talk. Paranormal Activity 2 Poster https://youtu.be/07XbSk7Rjt4 Paranormal Activity 2 is directed by Tod Williams and can be found can be wherever you rent or buy your movies. Synopsis for Paranormal Activity 2 Paranormal Activity 2 takes place before and briefly after the occurrences of Paranormal Activity. However, this time, the movie focuses on Kristy Rey’s (Sprague Grayden) family of 4. Kristy is the sister of Katie from the first film. A year after Kristy gives birth to their son Hunter, strange occurrences, Activities even, start happening, and the Rey family eventually figures out that they are being tormented by a demon. Paranormal Activity 2 uses the same found footage techniques found in the first film, but expands the scope of the story beyond the recent hauntings and delves a little more into Kristy and Katies past. Katie and Kristi Review of Paranormal Activity 2 Paranormal Activity 2 expands the scope of the original film and uses aome very effective devices that take full advantage of the found footage genre. Whenever your marketing focuses almost exclusively on genuine audience reactions, you know you’re doing something right.The movie expands the “lore” of the Rey sisters in this movie, but never over extends like in the later films. The mystery, dread, and dramatic irony are all there in the movie, and it somehow is just as memorable as the first. You’ll walk away wondering how the filmmakers created more tension with a static shot of a pool vacuum than most of the tension contained in most horror movies. The subtle audio and visual cues are enough to carry you through to the end when they go full jumpscare and finally have some payoff. Hi honey, we’re having spaghetti tonight. Score for Paranormal Activity Score 8/10 Paranormal Activity 2 Add it to your collection or rent it today Buy/Rent on Amazon Spoilers for Paranormal Activity 2 Click to Expand for Spoilers Chronology of Paranormal Activity and Paranormal Activity 2 If you’ve seen Paranormal Activity, you should know what to expect from the sequel. There aren’t many surprises in the overarching plot. The family sets up a bunch of cameras and they are increasingly haunted by a demon presence. The differences are small between the two films, but this film does introduce some great gimmicks. To start out, we should establish the timeline of the two films. The events of the film start out a year before the events in Paranormal Activity 1. The opening sequence is a series of family videos right before and after their son Hunter is born. Check Out Our Review of Tusk https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2019/09/18/tusk-review/ The film then jumps forward to two months before PA1, and it shows a video of them documenting damage to their house for an insurance claim. This gives them a great excuse to set up security cameras around the house. The security cameras document the family tormented by a demon for several days and in the end, Kristi through a ritual, transfers the demon over to her sister Katie (from the first film. Check Out Our Review of Slender Man https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/08/13/slender-man/ The events of the first movie happen off screen and then Paranormal Activity 2 ends with Katie appearing in Kristi’s house, now possessed by the demon, and kills everyone except Hunter. Elements that work in Paranormal Activity 2 “The sound” is one of the best things about the Paranormal Activity franchise. The low rumble that communicates the presence of a demon makes even plain shots of an empty room dreadful. https://youtu.be/GkwepzU7moE “The Sound” They up the stakes in this film in a couple of ways. They include: Abbie the dog A weirdly compelling pool More cameras More skepticism More background story More people Should you watch Paranormal Activity 2? yes Check Out Our Episode on the Worst Paranormal Activity: Ghost Dimension https://www.horrormovietalk.com/2018/12/24/ghost-dimension-review/ Special Thanks Thanks to The Benevolent Badger for the new theme song to Kill Count Thanks to our friends at Scariest Things Podcast for the mention. As always thanks to our supporters on Patreon. Become a patron today for access to exclusive bonus content!

Did I just do something I’ve never done before and use three exclamation marks to punctuate the title for a post?! I did. Why? Because this week is special, it’s our one year anniversary! David, Bryce, Brennan We go over what we liked and hated in the movies we reviewed over the past year and take a deeper dive into our insecurities and triumphs that we have had throughout our first year podcasting. We would like to thank you, yeah, you. Thanks for listening to us once, thanks for listening to us a few times, or every episode. Thanks for talking to us, thanks for laughing with us, thanks for cringing at/with us. Without you guys, we are just talking to each other, which would be enough, but not nearly as fun!