

Ministry Deep Dive
Travis Michael Fleming
Ministry Deep Dive is a podcast from Apollos Watered: The Center for Discipleship & Cultural Apologetics. Each episode goes beneath the surface of ministry to explore the challenges, opportunities, and practices shaping today’s leaders. From discipleship and cultural engagement to spiritual formation and public theology, we wrestle with the big questions and everyday realities pastors, missionaries, and Christian leaders face.
We don’t just talk about church—we talk about the people who lead it and the world that surrounds it. Our approach is missioholistic—a framework we’ve developed to help you faithfully minister in a complex, pluralistic culture that enables you to transform the world.
If you want to grow deeper in your faith, sharpen your leadership, and engage culture with the hope of the gospel, join us for thoughtful conversations that will help you water your world.
We don’t just talk about church—we talk about the people who lead it and the world that surrounds it. Our approach is missioholistic—a framework we’ve developed to help you faithfully minister in a complex, pluralistic culture that enables you to transform the world.
If you want to grow deeper in your faith, sharpen your leadership, and engage culture with the hope of the gospel, join us for thoughtful conversations that will help you water your world.
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Jan 13, 2023 • 1h 19min
#144 | God on the Move Among Diaspora Peoples | Sam George
Travis welcomes Sam George to the show! Sam is the Global Catalyst for Diaspora Ministries with the Lausanne Movement. God is on the move. He is moving people in ways we have never seen. According to the UN High Commission on Refugees, on the 23 of May 2022, the number of people forced to flee due to persecution, conflict, violence, human rights violations, and events seriously disturbing public order had reached more than 100 million people for the first time on record. This means that 1 in every 78 people on earth has been forced to flee. That’s crazy. This means that we are more than likely to encounter people from around the world where we live. And that changes how we go about fulfilling Christ's mission where we are. It means our churches need to rethink who they are ministering to and how they are ministering. It means we need to rethink what God is doing and join Him in it. Listen in as Sam, who is the expert on diaspora Christianity, reveals how God is working in the world and learn how we can join Him in it. Learn more about the Lausanne Movement and Sam. Get Sam's books: Asian Diaspora Christianity, Refugee Diaspora: Missions Amid the Greatest Humanitarian Crisis of the World, Pandemic, Migration, and Mission: Global Reflections for Christian Witness, Understanding the Coconut Generation: Ministry to the Americanized Asian Indians. Check out the episode to learn more about God on the move: #103: David Garrison | Reaching the Nations in Your NeighborhoodSign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Jan 6, 2023 • 1h 10min
#143 | Rare Leadership, Pt. 2 | Marcus Warner
Travis Michael Fleming and Marcus Warner engage in a profound exploration of emotional maturity and its profound implications for relational dynamics. Central to this discourse is the assertion that true maturity is characterized by the ability to navigate challenging circumstances while maintaining relational integrity. The conversation delves into the dichotomy between mature leaders, who confront difficulties with relational wisdom, and immature individuals, who prioritize relational comfort at the expense of addressing underlying issues. We examine how emotional capacity and boundaries play critical roles in fostering healthier interactions, emphasizing that maturity is not merely an abstract concept but a practical skill set applicable across various facets of life, including family, work, and community. This episode is an invitation to reflect on how we can cultivate deeper connections and navigate the complexities of our relationships with greater maturity and intention.Part 2! Travis and Marcus continue discussing Marcus' book, Rare Leadership, the book that leaders are picking up and passing around to others. It's about relationships. Marcus brings his gift of creating memorable mnemonic devices such as RARE, CAKE, FISH, and so much more. The difference between a healthy culture and toxic culture in any organization is revealed in the motivation of fear or joy. This book is more than a book simply on leadership, it's a book about relationships the way God intended them to be. It's not about your IQ, natural ability, talents, or how to manipulate people. It's about caring for the people around you. God cares about how we lead in the context of relationships. It's not about results at all costs, but caring about others. This is a conversation for leaders in any context-home, work, and church. If you want to learn more about neurotheology check out our previous conversations: #142: Marcus Warner, Rare Leadership, Pt. 1#141: Jim Wilder, Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 2#140: Jim Wilder, Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 1#107: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 1#108: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 2#109: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 1#110: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 2#120 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 1#121 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 2Check out Marcus' other books.Learn more about Deeper Walk International.Learn more about Rare Leadership.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!Takeaways: Emotional maturity enables individuals to navigate difficult relational challenges effectively and constructively. Immature individuals often neglect addressing challenging issues in favor of maintaining superficial relationships. Leadership maturity involves the ability to handle emotional weight and maintain relational integrity amid stress. Healthy relationships are built upon the foundation of joy rather than fear, promoting a supportive community culture. Establishing boundaries is essential for maintaining emotional health and fostering mature leadership dynamics. Developing emotional capacity allows individuals to remain themselves during adversity, promoting resilience in relationships.

Dec 30, 2022 • 41min
#142 | Rare Leadership, Pt. 1 | Marcus Warner
We welcome Marcus Warner back in the studio! Travis and Marcus discuss Marcus' book, Rare Leadership, the book that leaders are picking up and passing around to others. It's more than a book simply on leadership, it's a book about relationships the way God intended them to be. It's not about your IQ, natural ability, talents, or how to manipulate people. It's about caring for the people around you. God cares about how we lead in the context of relationships. It's not about results at all costs, but caring about others. This is a conversation for leaders in any context-home, work, and church. If you want to learn more about neurotheology check out our previous conversations: #141: Jim Wilder, Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 2#140: Jim Wilder, Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 1#107: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 1#108: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 2#109: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 1#110: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 2#120 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 1#121 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 2Check out Marcus' other books.Learn more about Deeper Walk International.Learn more about Rare Leadership.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Dec 23, 2022 • 56min
#141 | Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 2 | Jim Wilder
The second part of our conversation w/Jim Wilder about his newest book, "Escaping Enemy Mode." How do we really love our enemies? What does enemy mode look like? More of that and more on today's Apollos Watered! Help to water thirsty souls around the world by partnering with Apollos Watered and transform your world today!Learn more about Life Model Works.If you want to learn more about neurotheology check out our previous conversations: #140: Jim Wilder, Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 1#107: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 1#108: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 2#109: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 1#110: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 2#120 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 1#121 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 2Check out Jim's books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.

Dec 16, 2022 • 53min
#140 | Escaping Enemy Mode, Pt. 1 | Jim Wilder
We welcome neurotheologian Jim Wilder back to the show to discuss his newest book, Escaping Enemy Mode. What are the signs of spiritual maturity? Jim believes that it is the ability to endure suffering well, but it also means loving our enemies. How do we do that when we seemingly have enemies everywhere? How do we stand for truth and love them without giving away our convictions? You must listen in to find out! Learn more about Life Model Works.If you want to learn more about neurotheology check out our previous conversations: #107: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 1#108: Jim Wilder, God on the Brain, Pt. 2#109: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 1#110: Michel Hendricks-Relational Reformation, Pt. 2#120 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 1#121 Marcus Warner: Our Walk, Wounds, and Warfare, Pt. 2Check out Jim's books.Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Water thirsty sounds around the world by partnering with Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Dec 13, 2022 • 20min
#139 | A Well-Watered Life | Joseph's Faith
During the Christmas season, Mary often gets a lot of press, but Joseph's faith often gets overlooked. But was his faith less than hers? You might even say that he had more faith to trust than Mary did. Her too personified a generosity of spirit that we can do well to emulate. But how? Listen in and find out!Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Check out our YouTube channel.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Dec 9, 2022 • 50min
#138 | Life, C.S. Lewis, and Stories of Sharing the Gospel, Pt. 2 | Jerry Root
Travis welcomes Jerry Root to the show in this second half of our conversation. In this conversation, Jerry narrows in on evangelism, loving all people, meeting people where they are, C.S. Lewis, and some practical tools for sharing the Gospel in our modern world. It's a conversation that will feed your soul. Learn more about Jerry. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Check out our YouTube channel.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Dec 6, 2022 • 13min
#137 | A Well-Watered Life | Mary's Generosity
The Christmas season is a time of generosity and one of the greatest examples of generosity is found in Mary, the mother of Jesus. She personified generosity, but not in the financial sense. She was generous in the sense of giving up herself, her reputation, and her status in the immediate moment, to serve and fulfill the purpose of God. Her life is a lesson for us in generosity and service. But how? That's what we are talking bout today on Apollos Watered. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Check out our YouTube channel.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!

Dec 2, 2022 • 47min
#136 | Life, C.S. Lewis, and Stories of Sharing the Gospel, Pt. 1 | Jerry Root
C.S. Lewis has had a huge influence on so many people. He was a man that so many still read and influenced their walk with Jesus. Travis welcomes Jerry Root to the show! Jerry is a renaissance man, one of the people you want to sit down with and have a cup of coffee, and simply soak up the wisdom. We talk about Christ, culture, Christianity, C.S. Lewis, and practical tools for sharing the Gospel in our modern world. It's a conversation that will feed your soul. Learn more about Jerry. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Check out our YouTube channel.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!Takeaways: Travis Michael Fleming and Jerry Root explore the profound influence of C.S. Lewis on contemporary evangelism and the Christian faith. The dialogue emphasizes the essential role of storytelling and imagination in effective evangelism, as exemplified by Lewis's literary works. Jerry Root articulates the necessity of addressing profound existential questions as a means to engage others in spiritual discussions. Both speakers highlight the importance of community and shared inquiry in nurturing faith and understanding in the context of evangelism. The conversation sheds light on how C.S. Lewis's writings provide a vocabulary for articulating deep spiritual longings and existential questions. Travis and Jerry reflect on personal experiences that illustrate the transformative power of listening and asking meaningful questions in evangelistic conversations.

Nov 29, 2022 • 11min
#135 | A Well-Watered Life | Your Story of Generosity
We love a good story and each one of us has the Divine Author weaving it together for our good. My story. Your story. Our story. God has woven our stories together to transform lives around the world. None of us can do it by ourselves. We need one another. That's why we want to have stories of generosity of supporting the work of God so that others' lives might be changed and their stories reflect God's peace, purpose, and presence. Listen in as Travis shares how we can continue to partner to water thirsty souls worldwide. Sign up for the Apollos Watered newsletter.Check out our YouTube channel.Help support the ministry of Apollos Watered and transform your world today!


