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Craig Curelop is a Real Estate Agent and Investor. He is an Author of The House Hacking Strategy: How to Use Your Home to Achieve Financial Independence and Co-host of FI Team podcast. In this episode we talked about: - Craig’s Bio & Background - House Hacking Strategy - Expansion of Craig’s Real Estate Portfolio since 2017 - Working at BiggerPockets  - Real Estate Investing Strategies  - Writing a Real estate Book - Sourcing Deals - View On Current Market Environment - Short Term Rental Market Outlook - Financing Deals - The Advice to People who Consider Making a Career in Real Estate - Building a Team  - Mentorship, Resources and Lessons learned Useful links: https://thefiteam.podbean.com https://www.instagram.com/thefiguy/?hl=en Transcriptions:  Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jesper galley and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcast. Our special guest today is Craig . Craig is a real estate agent and investor. He is author of the host hacking strategy and co-host of FII team podcast, Craig, how's it going,   Craig (37s): Jesse? So good to be here today. I'm doing great. How   Jesse (40s): Are you? I'm doing awesome, man. I can't complain we're on the tail tail end or just, just pass Halloween. So I, for those that can't see us right now, we've got a couple of mustache here, but I feel like yours is for a Movember   Craig (53s): Mine's is just for life and his life. The lady, the lady loves the mustache, so we   Jesse (58s): Keep it. That's amazing. So it's just a lifestyle choice.   Craig (1m 1s): It's a lifestyle choice. Yeah, man. It's been like a year. I think it's, I'm almost, I'm approaching my one year mustache anniversary, so I love it. There should be a, there should be a celebration for that.   Jesse (1m 10s): Oh, I said we were just chatting. I have mine on, I meant to shave it off. I was afraid of mercury for Halloween and now I, and now we're in November, so I don't know what to do, dude. You   Craig (1m 18s): Look good. You should keep it.   Jesse (1m 21s): I appreciate it, man. Are you joining us today from, from Denver?   Craig (1m 25s): Yeah, I am here in Denver. Yeah. Been here four and a half years.   Jesse (1m 30s): Sweet. Well, thanks. Thanks so much for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. I think we'll have a great episode here. Talk a little bit about your background in real estate and love to get into house hacking and the book. But before we do, maybe what we could do is talk a little bit about how you got into real estate and bring us up to speed of what you're doing these days.   <

Chad Carson is an Entrepreneur, Writer, and Teacher, who Co Owns over 100 Units of Rental Property and Private Lending In and Around the College Town of Clemson, South Carolina. He wrote an Amazon Bestselling book “Retire Early With Real Estate”, and his story has been featured on Forbes, Yahoo Finance and more. Chad, His Wife, and Two Kids Recently Returned from 17 months Living Abroad in Cuenca, Ecuador. Each Week Chad Shares Tips, Strategies and Stories on His Popular Blog Podcast on Youtube Chanel CoachCarson.com In this episode we talked about:  • Chad’s Bio & Background  • Flipping Houses  • Ups and Downs of Students Rental Space  • De-Risking Real Estate Deals  • Valuation Metrics of Single-Family Rentals VS Student Rentals  • Raising Capital in College Towns  • Chad’s Plan for Tomorrow  • House Hacking  • The process of Writing the“Retire Early With Real Estate” Book  • Chad’s Thoughts and Views on Interest Rates and Inflation  • Unlevered Yield  • Coaching and Blogging on Youtube Channel  • Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned   Useful links: https://www.coachcarson.com https://www.instagram.com/coachcarson1/ Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. All right, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jesper gala and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcast. My guest today is Chad Carson, AKA coach Carson.   Chad Carson is the author of the bigger pockets book retire early with real estate. And he is an entrepreneur writer and teach and teacher who cones over a hundred units of rental property in Clemson, South Carolina, Chad used real estate investing to reach financial independence before the age of 37. When he, his wife and two kids decided to spend 17 months living in Ecuador in south America each week. Chad shares tips, strategies and stories on his popular blog podcast and YouTube channel coach Carson, coach Carson. How's it going?   It's great,   Chad (1m 2s): Jesse. Good to see you. Good to see you again. And we were on a panel not too long ago, so nice to connect.   Jesse (1m 7s): Yeah, absolutely. Yes. We were in new Orleans on the a at BP con, which was a lot of fun. I've talked about it on the show. It was nice to get out there since the last one in Nashville, which I guess was two years before that. Right?   Chad (1m 20s): Exactly. Yeah. It's like the rockstars of real estate. You get to hang out with people and talk about the market. Talk about all deal making. It's a lot of fun.  

Ashley Kehr Holds Degrees in Financing and Public Accounting and is a License Insurance Agent. She Purchased Her First Rental Property in 2014 and since then has Grown her Buy and Hold Portfolio Consisting of Residential Property, Commercial Property and Mobile Home Parks. Ashley is also the co-host of the BiggerPockets Real Estate Rookie Podcast with a Goal to help Newbies figure out the Actionable Steps Necessary to get their first deal. Currently, Ashley lives near Buffalo, NY on a Dairy Farm with her husband and three boys. She Spends most of her time Educating New Investors, Analyzing deals, Seeking the Next Adventure, and living a spontaneous life. In this episode we talked about: Ashley’s Bio & Background Property Management The First Duplex Deal Investing in Mobile Home Parks A Pivot to Camp Grounds The Underwriting for Camp Grounds Regulatory Environment The Philosophy of the Trade-off between Potential Income and Value Real Estate Risks and Opportunities in the Next 2 years Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://www.instagram.com/wealthfromrentals/?hl=en Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jesper gala and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcast. My special guest today is Ashley Kerr. Ashley holds degrees in finance and public accounting and is a licensed insurance agent.   She purchased her first rental property in 2014 and has since grown her buy and hold portfolio consisting of residential property, commercial property and mobile home parks. Ashley is also the cohort cohost of the bigger pockets, real estate rookie podcast with a goal to help newbies in real estate, figure out the actual steps necessary to get their first deal. Currently. Ashley, we just talked about this. You live near Buffalo, New York on a dairy farm of all things with your husband and three boys. How are you doing   Ashley (1m 2s): Good. Thank you so much for having   Jesse (1m 3s): Me right on. So I guess just on that, on that point, you are in Buffalo, so we're probably just a two hour drive away from each other. The dairy farm is that that's a family run thing or?   Ashley (1m 15s): Yeah, so my husband's family, he's third generation. And basically when I moved out of my parents' house, I moved to here and lived down the pharmacist.   Jesse (1m 25s): I love it. We were just chatting before the show. I'm kind of on the heels of, of BP con in new Orleans. Ashley was, you were speaking on a panel, you mentioned before. It was a panel of, I guess, women in real estate. Is that co

Andrew Drexler has been a Part of the First National Financial Commercial Team for over 15 years, and has Originated more than $4 billion in Commercial Financing. In 2020 alone, his team funded over $1 billion in Commercial Mortgages, of which $822 million represented transactions in Ontario and $236 million Represented Transactions in Quebec In this episode we talked about: Andrew’s Bio & Background The Real Estate Market Liquidity Debt Markets and Financing of Projects The Retail Real Estate Outlook Remote VS Onsite Work Real Estate Risks and Opportunities Underwriting Apartment Buildings Condo Development The Student Rental Market Canadian and US Real Estate Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdrexler/?originalSubdomain=ca https://www.firstnational.ca/contact-us Transcription: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time, or at least an in gentlemen, my name Jessica galley, and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcast. Our special guest today is Andrew Drexler. Andrew has been part of the first national financial commercial team for over 20 years.   Now, for those of you that don't know first national is one of Canada's largest non-bank mortgage lenders offering both commercial mortgages and resident residential mortgage solutions. And correct me if I'm wrong, Andrew, I believe you said that we're over 10 billion in, in mortgage originations.   Andrew (50s): It's going to be pretty close to 10 billion for this year. Yes, we're on the commercial side. It's going to be a very exciting year.   Jesse (56s): Well, first of all, thank you so much for coming on. It's it's great that you're being generous with your time. How you doing today?   Andrew (1m 2s): My pleasure. Good. Thank you. It's a beautiful fall day in Toronto right now. I love fall. It's my favorite season. So it's a beautiful day   Jesse (1m 9s): Transience of that fall season. We get it for such a small amount of time. That makes it so good. Well, it is a, it is false. Yeah, no, absolutely. I appreciate that. It is fall. It's a leaves home opener today. So at least versus Canadians for the hockey fans out there. What we do with, with guests that we have on first and foremost, Andrews, we like listeners to get a little bit of a background into, you know, how you got into the, the real estate space, maybe a little bit of, of your background and how you ended up where you are today.  

Bob Lachance is a Real Estate Investor, a Nationally Recognised Speaker, Mentor and Trainer who Specialises in Helping Customers Build their Businesses through Automation and Outsourcing. Bob currently Owns Four Businesses and Helped Start One of the Nation’s Largest Real Estate Coaching Programs. In this episode we talked about: Bob’s Bio & Background “Who Not How” mentality Bob’s journey from pro hockey player to entrepreneur Why outsourcing is so important in real estate How to Find and Hire the Right Virtual Assistant How to integrate VAs in your business E-mail Management, Cold Calling, Admin Management Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://revaglobal.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/boblachance/ https://www.facebook.com/REVAcareers Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. All right, ladies and gentlemen, my name's Jessica galley and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcast. I have Bob on the program today. He's a real estate investor.   He's a nationally recognized speaker, mentor trainer, and everything related to real estate. He helps out with, and I believe Bob correct me if I'm wrong. You are a ex pro hockey player.   Bob (44s): I am, I played eight years and four years here. Four years in Europe,   Jesse (48s): Right on, well in recognition of a Leaf's a home opener here. Yeah. Great to have you on how you doing?   Bob (54s): Very good. Very good. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it.   Jesse (57s): Awesome. So, Bob, typically what we do, we have a new guests on the show. We do a little bit of a background on the guests. Maybe you could give listeners a little bit of your history as it relates to your career and, and real estate.   Bob (1m 11s): Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. W what's fast forward today. I'll back into it. I run a successful virtual assistant company out of the Philippines have been doing since 2014 and also have a, a real estate company. We should be at about a hundred and probably 40 to 50 transactions this year. So we're on, we're on a pretty good trajectory there, but how I got started to get back to that, I went to Boston university on a four year scholarship for a ice hockey league, which has talked about, and then I was fortunate enough to be offered a two year contract by St.   Louis blues. So I left two classes short of getting my degree with the thought process of, you know, you can always go back, but being obviously you've been from Toronto and understanding the h

Joseph Biasi spends his Days Analysing Economic Trends and their Relationship with Commercial Real Estate for CoStar – the Leading Real Estate Data Analytics and Aggregator in the US.  In this episode we talked about: Joseph’s Bio & Activity Commercial Real Estate Market Outlook Retail Property Analysis Industrial Real Estate Overview Interest Rates Government Policy Single Family VS Multifamily Real Estate The Effect of Inflation on Real Estate Investors Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://www.costar.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/joseph-biasi-a5a1b669   Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to working capital the real estate podcast. My special guest today is Joseph Biassi. Joseph spends his days analyzing economic trends and the relationship with the commercial real estate sector. And he works for CoStar advisory services. For those of you that don't know what CoStar is, they're the leading real estate data analytics and aggregator in the us. And I'm not sure if Canada as well, but I wouldn't be surprised we use them pretty much every day. They're our go-to for analytics, for properties, for research and a part of our underwriting process. Joseph, how's it going? Great. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Do I have that right, Joseph, in terms of CoStar where they're at today, maybe you could, you could let the audience know a little bit about your position there and CoStar in general and what you guys do. Sure. Yeah. Joseph(1m 10s): CoStar is a data analytics platform and a data vendor. We, we track pretty much every commercial building that we can at least get research on across the United States. We are moving into Canada as well, more and more. We're getting better coverage in Canada and as well as Europe, my job in particular is I sit on top of that data as a consultant. I'm a senior consultant with advisory services. And my job in particular is to advise client both developers as well as investors on macro economic and commercial real estate trends Jesse (1m 45s): Right on. Yeah. What I've noticed is we have, I think 84, 85 offices now, and we've, we've pretty much switched over completely to CoStar and that goes for Canadian and, and us markets, but it's definitely come a long way in terms of the coverage that we have at least, you know, in our major markets, you pretty much, you've got everything covered there. Speaker 1 (2m 7s): Yeah. I mean, we've been really pushing research recently. Speaker 0 (2m 11s): So this was, this was something we were at, we were at this panel and in new Orleans this past, I guess two weekends ago now, and we were talking about, you know, where, where people can find information, those people looking for deals in the market and a l

In this week’s Just Ask Jesse we received a question on the limitation of using cap rates for analyzing real estate. I run through four scenarios where I think they are not as useful and don’t tell the whole story about a property.  To Just Ask Jesse contact:   Email:  jesse@workingcapitalpodcast.com Instagram: jessefragale Website: www.workingcapitalpodcast.com Transcriptions: Jesse (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to working capital the real estate podcasts. We have a another just ask Jesse this week. And for those that don't know that's anybody that is interested in getting a real estate question, commercial real estate question answered. You can reach out to me either on Instagram or you can directly email me for emails. You can just type in jesse@workingcapitalpodcast.com or check me out on Instagram. You can direct message me there. Jesse, J E S S E for galley, F R a G a L E so either or so this week I was asked a question that was related to cap rates, and it was talking about when to use a cap rate or scenarios that a cap rate isn't useful. And the way I framed that question was, I thought what I'd look at is the limitations of the cap rate, because oftentimes, you know, in real estate, we see the cap rate all over the place and to recap, no pun intended in terms of the calculation that's net operating income divided by the value or purchase price. And that'll give you a percentage. So for instance, a hundred thousand dollars divided by 1 million. So a hundred thousand and NOI divided by 1 million, say that's the purchase price that would equal 10%. And that would be a 10% cap rate. Now, in terms of understanding when or when not to use it, I thought I'd go over four limitations that we have when using cap rate to keep in mind. You know, ultimately the positive aspect of the cap rate is it's a very quick way to figure out what the yield is on a property, what the percentage return is on a property compared to another property. And the best time to use them is when you're comparing two very similar assets. And in that case, you can do a quick test. And really what it will allow you to do is figure out if further analysis is required now, in terms of the limitations of the cap rate, or just some things to keep in mind. Number one, I think it's important to understand that it does not include debt. Doesn't include the mortgage. So firms or individuals with different capital structures that is that they have different leverage or they're using different types of financing at different rates. It's really difficult to compare those two in general, but when you're using the cap rate, it's silent about those two things. So how you finance a deal is silent. So you got to keep that in mind because when you're looking at the properties, gross income minus expenses, that will include everything, the gross expenses, but not the mortgage payments themselves. So as we know, in commercial real estate and residential real estate investors put debt on commercial property during the whole period. So the fact that the cap rate doesn't include debt financing will limit its useful usefulness. When you're looking at two deals or multiple deals that are leveraged differently now in terms of number two, the variations in calculation and the time period that's used. So wh

Avery Carl is a Full-Time Real Estate Investor and Real Estate Agent Based in Florida. She helps Real Estate Investors Gain Knowledge in Order to Be Able to Invest their Money in Short Rentals, and Create More Passive Income. Through Strategic Investment and Short-Term Rental Properties and Maturification? Rental Market She was a Millionaire by 31 years. She Owns Over 24 Properties and is a CEO and Founder of Short Term Rental Shop, a Real Estate Team that Helps Investors Acquire Short-Term Rental Properties in the Most Recession Resistant Markets.  In this episode we talked about: Avery’s Bio & Background Short-Term Rental Properties Vacation Rentals and Airbnb Approach in Financing with Short-Term Rentals compared to Multifamily and Single Family Homes Management Approaches Metrics Used For Underwriting Properties Out-of-State Investing, VAT Complexity Avery`s Vision on how the lockdown has Affected the Real Estate Market The Deals Avery is Looking For Currently Dealing with Investors Out of the Country VS Dealing Local Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://theshorttermshop.com https://www.facebook.com/theshorttermshop/ Transcriptions: Speaker 0 (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. All right, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jessica galley and you're listening to working capital. My special guest today is Avery Carl through strategic investing in short-term rental properties and mature vacation rental markets. She was a millionaire by 31 years old. She now owns over 24 properties and is the CEO and founder of short-term rental shop a real estate team that helps investors acquire short-term rental properties in the most recession resistant markets and trains them on the methods that led her out of the corporate rat race and into financial freedom. Avery, how you doing? Speaker 1 (51s): Pretty good. How are you? And actually we're at 96 doors. Now that, that outdated. Sorry. Speaker 0 (57s): I kind of feel like that. That's great. That's good to hear. We were just saying before the show that I was looking through some old emails and it looks like we both spoke at BiggerPockets conference so hard to believe now it's 2019, but you're going to be talking it's this weekend. You're going to be talking on short-term rentals. Speaker 1 (1m 16s): Yes, yes. Again, as will you, but not on short term. So we're, we're doing it again Speaker 0 (1m 21s): Right on. Well, that's great to hear. Well, thanks again for coming on to the show. I think our listeners will get a lot out of this. I really want it to have an episode where we can talk a little bit about your background and how you got into real estate, but also specifically talk a little bit about the shor

Sandy Mackay is the Founder/CEO of MacKay Realty Network. Sandy is an Experienced Realtor and Investor. Sandy has Worked on Hundreds of Real Estate Transactions since 2011. Sandy is also One of the Hosts of Breakthrough Real Estate Investing Podcast.  In this episode we talked about: Sandy’s Bio & Background Legality of Wholesaling Pivoting from Real Estate Wholesaling to Building a Buyer`s List Brokerage Model The Importance of Taking Actions A comparative framework for commercial and residential markets Real Estate Changes in Terms of Technology Companies Entering the Space Dealing with Real Estate Broker Real Estate Market Outlook Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://www.facebook.com/sandy.mackay.3 Transcriptions: Speaker 0 (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time. Hello, welcome to working capital the real estate podcast. I'm your host, Jennifer galley. And today we have a special guest. His name is Sandy Mackay. Sandy is the founder and CEO of McKay Realty network. He is a, an experienced realtor and investor. Who's worked on hundreds of transactions since 2011. He's also host of the breakthrough real estate investing podcasts. Really awesome podcasts. Check that out if you haven't heard it already, Sandy, how's it going? Speaker 1 (49s): Awesome, man. Happy to be here. Excited to share some great content. Speaker 0 (54s): Absolutely. Well, we're excited to get into it. I thought would, would be a bit of a treat for listeners is to talk a little bit about what we normally talk about, which is real estate and maybe zero in a little bit on the focus of what you do in brokerage in the companies that you've built. And I take it today. You're joining us from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Is that correct? Yeah. Speaker 1 (1m 16s): Nailed it in Hamilton, Ontario. Speaker 0 (1m 18s): Perfect. For those that don't know, that'd be a, I guess a pretty solid one hour west of Toronto, great area to invest. Well, Sandy, you've worn a number of different hats over the last few years. You've done some pretty impressive things on the real estate investing side, as well as brokerage. You were actually introduced to me by, by my partner that I work with in commercial real estate. And what we do with most of our guests is take a step back and talk a little bit about how you initially got into real estate. So how did it all start for you? Speaker 1 (1m 49s): Yeah, I mean, I got, I got, you know, got when way down the path further than I ever thought in the real estate world starting out. I mean, we kind of reached out for that as a book in my life and my, my, my whole outlook on life and my path, my, my wife now girlfriend at the time we kind of were working together actually. Yeah. Give or take 10 years ago. And, and, and somehow got came across that book. It went to a weekend seminar thing with the ric

Matthew Sullivan is the CEO and Founder of QuantmRE, a company that supports homeowners by helping them unlock some of the equity in their home without taking on more debt. A seasoned entrepreneur, Matthew has a proven track record in real estate innovation through his experiences as Co-Founder of the $50M Secured Real Estate Income Strategies Fund, and as Founder and a President of Crowdventure.com, a real estate crowdfunding company.  In this episode we talked about: Matt’s Bio & Crowdfunding Background What home equity contracts are and how they work How to qualify for home equity contracts Releasing equity in your home without taking on more debt Getting money now by selling some of the future value in your home How to tap into a formerly untapped asset class Leveraging equity in your home to get cash with no extra debt Mentorship, Resources and Lessons Learned Useful links: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattsullivanco/ https://www.quantmre.com Transcriptions: Speaker 0 (0s): Welcome to the working capital real estate podcast. My name is Jesper galley. And on this show, we discuss all things real estate with investors and experts in a variety of industries that impact real estate. Whether you're looking at your first investment or raising your first fund, join me and let's build that portfolio one square foot at a time, or at least in gentlemen, my name's Jessica galley, and you're listening to working capital the real estate podcasts, another special guest today. But before we get there, just wanted to let listeners know we have a website up for we've had our up for a while, but working capital podcast.com. If you have any questions regarding the show, anything real estate related or anything related to our guests, feel free to reach out there. There's a just asked Jesse section. Now without further ado, I have Matthew Sullivan on the show. Matthew is the CEO and founder of quantum R E a company that solves a real problem for homeowners by helping them access a portion of their home equity without taking on more debt, Matt, how's it going, Speaker 1 (1m 4s): Jesse? Thanks for having me on. Speaker 0 (1m 7s): So Matt excited to have you on the show. It's a, you know, very, very unique kind of discussion. We're going to have specific to, you know, the product that you're offering. So maybe before we start with that, what we normally do with guests is have a little bit of a background, you know, for listeners, how you got into real estate judging by the accent. You didn't grow up in salt lake city. Speaker 1 (1m 29s): Yeah, no, that's right. No, it was a Birmingham, Alabama, actually, there we go. Now I'm originally from the UK, moved over here about eight years, eight years ago. And I've been an entrepreneur all of my life, which literally translated means I have been unable to get a job for most of my life. So congenitally unemployable from the get go started out life as a stockbroker in the late eighties, which was a tremendous fun breaking countri