Mormon Stories Podcast

Welcome back to Part 35 of our series with Dr. John Turner discussing his new book “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”In 1843, Joseph Smith began introducing some of his closest family members – including his wife Emma Smith and his brother Hyrum Smith –to the controversial and secretive practice of plural marriage.This episode dives into one of the most complex and debated periods of early Latter-day Saint history. We explore the story of the Kinderhook Plates –a set of six brass plates that briefly captured Joseph Smith’s attention before being exposed as a fraud –and what that moment reveals about claims of translation and discernment.We also examine the marriages to the Partridge sisters, the dynamics between Joseph and Emma, and the growing theological framework surrounding celestial marriage, “calling and election made sure,” and eternal hierarchy. As new doctrines emerged, secrecy, trust, and power became deeply intertwined. This episode raises difficult questions such as: What happened to the Kinderhook Plates –and why didn’t the translation continue? How did plural marriage unfold behind the scenes? What did Joseph teach privately vs publicly? How did those closest to him respond about polygamy?This is a careful, long-form discussion intended to slow down and examine the historical record in detail. If you’d like to help keep this project going, please consider donating to support this series here. Your support makes long-form, in-depth historical discussion like this possible!Purchase John Turner’s book here.Let us know your thoughts on a Brigham Young series (comprising ten episodes) covering John Turner’s book Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet.___________________Show NotesYouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor todayOne-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6OgmoqJbOVRq-Lv1P7SzA/joinOur Platforms:🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us:📧 MormonStories@gmail.com📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117

Debora Meireles Ling, a Brazilian-born former missionary and mother, recounts growing up in a strict LDS household, an anxiety-driven early mission return from Brazil, and a later faith transition. She discusses perfectionism, intense missionary culture, mental health struggles, confronting troubling historical issues, and rebuilding family life and identity after leaving the Church.

John G. Turner, historian and author of a biography of Joseph Smith, provides concise scholarly context. He explores 1843 Nauvoo, focusing on secret plural sealings, teenage wives, coercive ultimatums, church land and finances, and contested sources like the Clayton journals. Short, direct segments examine scandal, power, and the tangled moral legacy.

In his official 1838 history, Joseph Smith described discovering the golden plates inside a carefully constructed stone box in the Hill Cumorah. According to his account, the box contained the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and a breastplate.But what happened to that stone box?In this episode of LDS Discussions, we take a deep dive into the historical record surrounding the stone box narrative. We compare Joseph Smith’s 1838 history with earlier and later accounts, statements from witnesses like David Whitmer, Martin Harris, and Oliver Cowdery, and later retellings from leaders such as Brigham Young.We explore:-What Joseph Smith said was inside the box-Whether early Saints believed there was MORE than one box-Claims about swords, the Liahona, and other Nephite artifacts-The evolution of the story over time-Whether codex-style plates create anachronistic problems-The “magic worldview” shared by early Mormon leaders-Comparisons to treasure-digging culture-Why there is no physical evidence of the stone box todayWe also examine 19th century newspaper references discussing the stone box, Whitmer’s later (contradictory) interviews, and the strange disappearance of a stone structure that supposedly survived for over a thousand years.If the box was real and physically constructed with stone slabs and pillars –as described –why did it leave no trace? Why didn’t believers preserve fragments the way people took pieces of the Berlin Wall? And why does the Hill Cumorah today appear completely undisturbed?This episode wrestles with a central question: Does the detail of a stone box strengthen Joseph Smith’s credibility –or create new historical and epistemological problems?This is Episode 71 in our LDS Discussions series!___________________Show notesYouTubeAt Mormon Stories we explore, celebrate, and challenge Mormon culture through in-depth stories told by members and former members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as well as scholars, authors, LDS apologists, and other professionals.  Our overall mission is to: 1. Facilitate informed consent amongst LDS Church members, investigators, and non-members regarding Mormon history, doctrine, and theology2. Support Mormons (and members of other high-demand religions) who are experiencing a religious faith crisis3. Promote healing, growth and community for those who choose to leave the LDS Church or other high demand religions🤝Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor todayOne-time or recurring donations: https://donorbox.org/mormon-stories?default_interval=m Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories Venmo: https://account.venmo.com/u/mormonstories Paypal: https://paypal.me/mormonstories Join this channel to get access to perks:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCx6OgmoqJbOVRq-Lv1P7SzA/joinOur Platforms:🌐Mormon Stories Blog: https://www.mormonstories.org/episodes 🎙️Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/mormonstories ✳️Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4sDzk7dRjODTSEqzZKZJzk?si=148b0efc1ccc4404&nd=1 🍎Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-stories-lds/id312094772 🖼️Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mormstories 📱TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormonstoriespodcast 🎮Discord: https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF Contact us:📧 MormonStories@gmail.com📬PO Box 171085, Salt Lake City, UT 84117

Chase McWhorter, on-camera personality from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, shares his Mormon upbringing, mission to Spain, deconstruction of faith, and the rise and fallout from the show. He discusses marriage, divorce, co-parenting, social media fame, cabin-party boundaries, and the group dynamics that sparked public controversy.

Cheryl Bruno, a 19th‑century Mormon historian and author, and Michelle Stone, a polygamy scholar preparing for doctoral study, dive into the post‑Joseph Smith polygamy conflicts. They trace Nauvoo controversies, debates over key documents and affidavits, Brigham Young’s public announcement, federal crackdowns and manifestos, and the scholarly and grassroots resurgence reshaping how polygamy history is studied.

Carolyn Pearson, beloved Mormon author, poet, feminist, and activist whose diaries and books chronicled women’s and LGBTQ+ struggles. Tamara Wright, longtime friend, offers warm personal memories. Barbara Jones-Brown, Signature Books editor, explains the diary publication and historical framing. They celebrate Pearson’s activism, diary project, advocacy for ERA and LGBTQ+ inclusion, and her lasting cultural influence.

Carol Lynn Pearson, author and longtime advocate for women and LGBTQ Mormons, discusses her book The Ghost of Eternal Polygamy. She explores polygamy's origins, its harms to women, men, and children, and shares survey stories revealing fear and family strain. She proposes reforms for healing and imagines a future of gender partnership and justice.

Carol Lynn Pearson, acclaimed Mormon author, poet, playwright, and activist for women and LGBTQ+ people. She recounts her marriage and loss, the writing of Goodbye, I Love You, and how theater and memoir shaped her outreach. Conversations explore feminism, Heavenly Mother imagery, Prop 8 activism, HIV/AIDS caregiving, and practical advice for families and young people.

Colby Reddish, a practicing attorney who engages with Mormonism and law, and Bart Ehrman, bestselling New Testament scholar, discuss Bible origins, textual variants, and how scripture was compiled. They cover creation accounts, Gospel contradictions, historicity of Jesus, Book of Mormon claims, and Ehrman’s new book Love Thy Stranger. The conversation navigates faith, scholarship, and religion’s social role.