Disorder

Nation states no longer work effectively in tandem. Gone are the days of hegemonic US power directly ordering the allies. Furthermore, groups like the UN are ineffective, with disruptors often calling the shots. However, NATO stands apart as an example of how countries can work together successfully and how a global institution can remain largely uncontroversial, while doing serious coordinating work to solve real world problems.  In this episode our hosts and guests relate their perspectives about what NATO stands for, its strengths and limitations, and the threats it faces. Former NATO Deputy Sec General, Jamie Shea tells about how the organisation worked in the Balkans and Afghanistan, while Kori Schake mulls over the role of the US as NATO’s hegemonic leader. Timothy Garton Ash comments on distinctions between NATO and the EU especially as pertains to values like liberty. Finally, Charles Kupchan examines why Russia chooses to actively disorder. Charles and Jason disagree agreeable on China’s role as an orderer vs. disorderer.   Twitter: @DisorderShow Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/nato-and-adversaries   Producer: George McDonagh Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes Links  For more on Kori Schake, visit here For more on Jamie Shea, visit here  Get Timothy Garton Ash’s book, Homelands here For more on Charles Kupchan, visit here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Migration has become one of the most emotive political topics. Fears surrounding the topic are essential to the rise of Neo-Populism. All the while, migration is increasing; over the past decade over 50 million more people have been moving internationally than in previous decades. So how does migration work (or not work) in our era of global disorder? What problems does it solve and what problems does it create? Can disordered migration be curbed and the benefits of ‘orderly’ migration achieved in a more regulated manner? Or do we have a humanitarian imperative to preserve even disorderly migration?  In this episode, Parag Khanna discusses how creating a transparent and fair global market for migrants could help optimize the economics behind migration. Lawrence Huang analyses how the current global management of migration operates and why the way Neo-Populists constant diatribes about ‘uncontrolled migration’ are harming any real attempts to order the space. In the ‘Ordering the Disorder’ segment, Alex and Jason debate what international coordination mechanisms are needed to deal with mass migration and whether coherent collective action could ever emerge to forge implementable solutions.  Twitter: @DisorderShow Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/climate-change-geopolitics   Producer: George McDonagh Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Notes Link Subscribe to the Disorder Show Monthly Newsletter here  Get Parag Khanna’s book “Move: Where People Are going For A better future” here For more on Lawrence Huang’s work visit hereRead Alex's piece on migration for the Byline Times here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stephanie Williams, former Deputy Special Representative for Political Affairs at UNSMIL, discusses Libya's ongoing chaos and its broader geopolitical implications. She highlights how internal disorder in Libya affects neighboring regions and the challenge of attaining global leadership support for democratic processes. The conversation also touches on the complexities of engaging armed actors and the detrimental effects of foreign interventions from countries like Turkey and the UAE, which further complicate the quest for stability.

Over the past few decades leaders like Trump, Orban, and Bolsonaro have ridden a wave of popular outrage to rise to power. But what came first: the Neo-Populists or the era of Global Enduring Disorder?  In this episode we chart the rise of the Neo-Populists, their impact on global order, and what we can do to stop them. Sean Wilentz explains the difference between real populism (like Bernie Sanders) and ‘faux’ or neo-populists (like Trump), while Anne Applebaum takes us through the missed opportunities and co-ordination failures of the post-Cold War years.  Twitter: @DisorderShow  Website: https://natoandtheglobalenduringdisorder.com/neo-populism  Producer: George McDonagh Exec Producer: Neil Fearn  Show Note Links  For more from Anne Applebaum here    For more on Sean Wilentz here For more on Jonathan Winer here For more on Jamie Shea here Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Exploring the challenges of regulating cyberspace and the impact of social media on conflicts. Former FBI Agent and War Correspondent share insights on the existential cyber-war. Discusses the need for global cooperation and regulations to combat disinformation and cyber threats.

Explore the era of Global Enduring Disorder with discussions on the lack of competent leaders, rise of contagious megalomaniacs, challenges faced by institutions in addressing global issues, rise of near-populist leaders, and the dilemma of responding to Georgia's wrong track. Teaser for the next episode on the impact of social media on military commanders and the emergence of the internet as an unregulated space.

Gone are the days of coherent international coordination. Rather than working together to solve pressing crises, many of the world’s most powerful states are actively making those crises worse. The result? We’re living through a novel historical era: The Global Enduring Disorder.     The Disorder podcast teases out the key principles that connect seemingly disparate challenges: from Climate Change to Tax Havens, to Unregulated Cyberspace, to the Wars in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya. Jason Pack, NATO Foundation Senior Analyst, and Alexandra Hall Hall, a former British Ambassador, discuss with world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, the fundamental principles lurking behind today’s global issues. At the conclusion of each episode, they will proposing inventive, win-win solutions to the globe’s most pressing challenges aka, ‘Ordering the Disorder’.    Website:  disordershow.com https://natoandtheged.substack.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices