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Jonathan & Brad explore the world of Financial Independence. They discuss reducing expenses, crushing debt, building passive income streams through online businesses and real estate. How to pay off debt, Crush your grocery bill and travel the world for free. No topic is too big or small as long as it speeds up the process of reaching financial independence.
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Jul 8, 2020 • 56min
230 | College Hacks from the ChooseFI Community
Explore college hacks for crushing debt free through tuition reimbursement programs and competency-based college programs. Learn about the financial advantages and job security of attending military academies or joining ROTC to receive a free college education. Discover strategies for paying for graduate school without loans, obtaining scholarships, and low-cost degrees. Find out how to save money during college by becoming an RA, applying for scholarships, leveraging the Starbucks program, and taking online degree programs.

Jul 6, 2020 • 47min
229 | How Financial Independence Helps You Manage Stress
Most people chasing financial independence fixate on the finish line—but what if you're already closer to freedom than you think? Jessica and Corey from the Fioneers, alongside Dominick Quartuccio, unpack Coast FI and Slow FI: two frameworks that turn the relentless sprint to retirement into a sustainable marathon you can actually enjoy. Their conversation reveals how to recognize when you've saved enough to let compounding do the heavy lifting, why deprivation sabotages long-term success, and how to reclaim bandwidth without waiting for a magic number.
Key Topics
Introduction to Coast FI and Slow FI [00:00:51]
What the concepts of Coast FI and Slow FI mean for personal finance.
Corey & Jessica's Financial Journey [00:02:39]
Their path towards financial independence and the evolution of their financial understanding.
Finding Balance Between Saving and Enjoying Life [00:10:00]
The importance of enjoying life while actively saving for the future.
Understanding Coast FI Calculation [00:19:22]
How Coast FI operates and its implications for financial planning.
Strategies for Saying No and Mental Health [00:43:30]
Techniques for setting boundaries to prioritize mental health within a work environment.
Key Quotes
"Your journey to financial independence is as important as the destination." [00:14:10]
"Financial independence offers incremental freedom, not just an end goal." [00:17:14]
"Reducing spending triggers leads to spending less and enhancing financial freedom." [00:26:15]
"Master the art of saying no in a positive way." [00:44:32]
Action Items
Reflect on your spending triggers and develop a personal action plan to address them. [00:32:01]
Evaluate your current relationship with your employer and consider how to say no without feeling guilty. [00:43:30]
Embrace the concept of incremental freedom in your financial journey. [00:17:14]
Related Resources
Your Money or Your Life by Vicki Robin [00:10:09]
FAQs
What is Coast FI?
Coast FI refers to the idea that you have enough savings in your retirement accounts to eventually retire comfortably if you leave them untouched. If you have saved enough that compounding interest will take care of your retirement fund by the time you reach retirement age, you can focus on covering your current living expenses without additional savings. [00:18:42]
How can I deal with spending triggers?
Identify situations that lead to unnecessary spending, such as stress or exhaustion. Consider implementing small changes or 'smaller quits' to alleviate stress. Set limits and boundaries to your work obligations, allowing more space for intentional living. [00:32:01]
Terminology
Coast FI: A financial strategy where you have already saved enough for retirement that you can focus solely on covering your expenses until retirement. [00:18:42]
Slow FI: An approach to financial independence that emphasizes enjoying the journey without the pressure of reaching extreme savings rates quickly. [00:10:00]
For more insights from Jessica and Corey, visit thefioneers.com.
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Jul 3, 2020 • 34min
228 | Overcoming the Debilitating Fear of Public Speaking
The hosts talk about overcoming fear of public speaking, including through podcasting. They also discuss starting a podcast and leveraging strengths for success. Additionally, they share a missed opportunity in business and teaching entrepreneurship to kids. Lastly, they highlight the launch and success of a free course called Fi 101.

Jul 1, 2020 • 41min
227 | How to Evaluate Your Pension: Is It Worth Staying?
Pensions trap millions in jobs they hate — but how much is that golden handcuff actually worth? Brad and Jonathan reconnect with Grumpus Maximus, author of The Golden Albatross, to break down the real value of pensions and the emotional weight they carry at critical career crossroads.
The conversation centers on the "pension cliff" — the brutal decision points at 10 and 20 years of service where leaving means forfeiting substantial future income. Grumpus explains how to evaluate pension strength by examining payout structures, cost of living adjustments, healthcare provisions, and funding levels. Not all pensions are created equal, and understanding these variables is crucial for anyone weighing early exit versus long-term commitment.
Beyond the numbers, the episode confronts the emotional toll of pension planning. Financial stress bleeds into mental health, and staying in a toxic job for a pension can exact a price no spreadsheet captures. Grumpus argues that a pension provides a reliable income floor for retirement, but only if the psychological cost of earning it doesn't outweigh the benefit.
Key Topics Discussed
[00:00:46] Introduction to Pensions
[00:02:53] Grumpus Maximus's Journey
[00:04:28] Understanding the Pension Cliff
The critical decision-making points at 10 and 20 years of service, and the impact these years have on retirement planning.
[00:14:21] Evaluating Your Pension
Key factors to determine the value of a pension, including payout structures, cost of living adjustments, and healthcare benefits.
[00:31:19] Webinar Announcement
Information about an upcoming webinar hosted by Grumpus Maximus to assist listeners in evaluating their pensions.
Key Quotes
"A pension is a promise." [00:12:50]
"Emotional aspects play a crucial role in financial decisions." [00:11:57]
"Not all pensions are created equal." [00:14:21]
Related Resources
The Golden Albatross (Grumpus Maximus's book)
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Jun 29, 2020 • 1h 14min
Trip of a Lifestyle to All US National Parks
Most people making $70,000 combined think saving six figures in two years is impossible—Steven and Lauren proved otherwise while teaching full-time. On teacher salaries, this couple saved over $100,000 in two years by living on $22,000 annually and pursuing side hustles like photography. Their unconventional path included spending six months in Hawaii without touching their savings and visiting every U.S. national park.
Key Topics
Starting Salaries and Savings
[00:02:25] Steven and Lauren began with entry-level teacher salaries totaling around $70,000. By maintaining annual expenses between $20,000-$22,000, they saved approximately 50% of their income.
The Mindset Shift
[00:12:52] "Having that kind of mindset shift really put us on the same page because we were like yeah it doesn't really make sense to spend more." They chose to maintain their college lifestyle rather than inflate expenses with their new salaries.
Tracking Net Worth
[00:13:36] "We tracked our net worth and so that was really encouraging too." This practice kept them motivated and focused on monthly progress toward their financial goals.
Living in Hawaii for Six Months
[00:20:02] Their honeymoon strategy involved living in Hawaii for six months while working part-time to cover costs, demonstrating how to travel extensively without depleting savings.
The National Parks Adventure
[00:36:46] Steven and Lauren visited every national park in the United States, combining their passion for photography with adventure. "Having that goal of like, okay, we're going to grow as photographers and come away from each park with a really great image."
Terminology
Financial Independence (FI) [00:00:12]
The state of having sufficient personal wealth to live without having to work actively for basic necessities.
Net Worth [00:13:36]
The total assets minus total liabilities of an individual.
Side Hustle [00:02:06]
A secondary job or business to earn extra income.
Action Items
Start tracking your net worth this month [00:13:36]
Evaluate current living expenses and find areas to cut costs [00:11:41]
Resources
Blog: tripofalifestyle.com
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Jun 26, 2020 • 48min
225 | The Power of The Staycation
You can vacation without leaving town — and it might change how you spend money forever. Jonathan and Brad explore the unexpected power of staycations during the pandemic, revealing how to uncover hidden value in your own backyard while stretching travel rewards further than you thought possible.
Introduction to Staycation [00:00:00]
Staycations as a way to enjoy local attractions while supporting the community during the pandemic.
Discussion on Anniversary Staycation [00:01:00]
Jonathan shares his experience using Chase Ultimate Rewards points for a staycation at a Marriott hotel to celebrate his anniversary.
Engaging with Local Businesses [00:06:00]
Encouragement to support local businesses and explore what your community has to offer during challenging times.
Using Travel Rewards [00:11:00]
Tips on effectively using travel rewards for hotel bookings to save on vacations. Discussion on utilizing the Chase Ultimate Rewards program and transferring points to hotel chains.
Scott's Travel Experience Update [00:14:00]
Update from listener Scott, who shares his year-long travel sabbatical experience, traveling to over 20 countries on a tight budget.
Health Insurance Discussion [00:41:00]
Insights on managing health care costs, including using the Good RX app for discounts on prescriptions.
Episode Wrap-Up [00:48:26]
Jonathan encourages listeners to share the episode and engage in conversations about financial independence.
Key Quotes
"Let's lean into our local communities during this time." [00:07:06]
"Stockpile travel rewards now for future adventures!" [00:11:40]
"The benefits of mindful spending are compelling." [00:21:35]
"People often think traveling isn't affordable." [00:17:32]
Related Resources
Good RX: https://www.goodrx.com [00:41:52]
Chase Sapphire Preferred: https://www.chase.com/personal/credit-cards/sapphire/preferred [00:12:00]
Episode Mentions
Episode 009: The Basics of Travel Rewards [00:10:40]
Episode 079: Embracing Retirement with Amy and Tim Rutherford [00:19:04]
Episode 109: Scott's Journey as a Travel Teacher [00:14:20]
Terminology
Staycation: A vacation spent at home or nearby rather than traveling to a distant location. [00:00:00]
Travel Rewards: Points earned from credit cards or loyalty programs to be redeemed for travel-related expenses. [00:11:00]
Chase Ultimate Rewards: A flexible rewards program offered by Chase that allows point transfers to various travel partners. [00:11:40]
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Jun 21, 2020 • 1h 1min
Slow Traveling the World The FI Way With Nomad Numbers
Mr. and Mrs. Nomad slashed their travel budget to $40,000 annually while visiting countries most people only dream about — and their health insurance costs less than what many Americans pay. Brad and Jonathan sit down with this couple who left conventional careers to design a life of perpetual travel, revealing the practical systems that make digital nomadism financially sustainable.
The couple details their transition from traditional employment to location independence, sharing how they budget for long-term travel without sacrificing quality of life. Their approach includes negotiating extended stays for better rates, strategically using travel rewards to eliminate major expenses, and maintaining a diversified investment portfolio in low-cost index funds to fund their lifestyle.
Key Timestamps & Topics:
[00:02:25] The realities of digital nomadism beyond the Instagram highlights
[00:03:24] Their path to financial independence and the decision to go nomadic
[00:08:09] Breaking down their $40,000 annual travel budget
[00:12:30] Travel rewards strategies that cover flights and accommodations
[00:34:27] Expat health insurance options that cost less than U.S. plans
[00:38:38] Building meaningful connections while constantly moving
[00:59:40] How their goals continue evolving as nomads
Practical Strategies:
Negotiate long-term accommodation rates to reduce daily costs
Maintain cash reserves for down years in the market
Diversify investments into low-cost index funds for stability
Actively participate in community groups to counter isolation
Leverage travel rewards systematically to minimize major expenses
Notable Insights:
"Financial independence is a precious gift of time." [00:48:19]
"Everything in life happens for a reason." [00:56:28]
Resources:
Nomad Numbers Blog
The Simple Path to Wealth by Jim Collins
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Jun 19, 2020 • 41min
222 | Navigating Midlife Career Changes and Financial Independence
Most people think midlife awakening means torpedoing everything you've built. Brad and Jonathan flip that script: what if financial independence is the midlife correction — giving you breathing room to realign before you're stuck?
The hosts explore why the corporate ladder often leads to quiet panic in your 40s, and how the FI mindset offers an antidote. They unpack the value of introspection, the power of a diverse skill set (your "talent stack"), and why living intentionally now beats waiting for a crisis to force change.
Key Topics Discussed:
[00:02:51] Understanding Midlife Crisis:
Why corporate ambitions can fuel personal dissatisfaction, and how FI provides space to reassess.
[00:05:04] The Role of Introspection:
Identifying personal values and making deliberate choices about time, relationships, and fulfillment.
[00:15:46] Building a Talent Stack:
Diversifying skills beyond your job title to create flexibility and competitive advantage.
[00:32:04] Financial Win Stories:
Community members share progress on their goals.
Key Insights and Quotes:
[00:01:08] "When we come together, we all rise."
[00:04:12] "Life is a continuous journey, not a black-and-white choice."
[00:05:42] "Reflect on your relationships and life aspirations."
[00:13:24] "It is possible to enjoy life while building wealth."
Action Steps:
[00:05:42] Identify your core values today to align life choices accordingly.
[00:15:19] Start building a talent stack by diversifying your skills.
[00:32:37] Focus on small, consistent actions to hit financial goals.
Related Resources:
The Street Lawyer by John Grisham — A novel exploring professional fulfillment through personal choice.
Episode Mentions:
[00:31:59] Episode 013: 403B and Retirement Planning
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Jun 14, 2020 • 1h
220 | 403(b) Investment Options for Teachers and Public Employees
Most people assume government-backed retirement plans are safe and well-regulated — but public school teachers often face some of the worst retirement account options in the country. Nancy Bacchetti, a former teacher, shares her journey from paycheck-to-paycheck living to financial independence after discovering the hidden fees and lack of protections in her 403(b) plan. She explains the critical differences between 403(b) and 401(k) plans, breaks down how seemingly small fees can devastate long-term savings, and provides practical steps educators can take to optimize their retirement accounts — including selecting low-cost index funds, working with HR to add better vendor options, and leveraging real estate investing. Nancy's activism through fixmy403b.com aims to educate teachers about these financial pitfalls and advocate for better retirement choices.
Key Topics:
Understanding 403(b) Plans
[00:04:10] Many public sector employees, especially teachers, have access to 403(b) retirement plans, which can be high-cost and poorly managed.
Awareness of the differences between 403(b) and 401(k) plans is crucial, as 403(b) plans lack the protections of ERISA laws.
Hidden Fees Discussion
[00:08:04] Fees associated with 403(b) plans can significantly decrease retirement savings; hidden fees can be present in expense ratios and annuity products.
Nancy's Journey to Financial Independence
[00:35:20] After facing challenges with high fees, Nancy took proactive steps to optimize her savings by understanding her retirement plans and investing in real estate.
Resources for Teachers
[00:50:16] Nancy discusses her website, fixmy403b.com, aimed at educating teachers about their retirement options and advocating for better choices.
Action Steps:
Evaluate Your 403(b) Plan
[00:21:54] Check for hidden fees and understand the investment options available in your plan.
Reach Out to HR
[00:29:59] Inquire about low-cost vendor options and discuss the possibility of adding preferable providers to your plan.
Educate Yourself on Retirement Plans
[00:43:06] Learn about the differences between 403(b) and 457 plans and the benefits each can provide.
Timestamps:
00:01:10 - Discussion of Episode 13: The Unfair Buy Advantage of Teachers
00:02:19 - Nancy's transition from financial struggle to independence
00:05:11 - The truth about 403(b) regulatory protections
00:12:41 - Understanding the hidden costs of "free" financial services
00:22:29 - Steps to take if your 403(b) plan has high fees
00:50:16 - Resources for improving retirement options for teachers
00:59:02 - Action Steps for Teachers
Notable Quotes:
"Nancy's journey from living paycheck to paycheck to achieving financial independence showcases the challenges faced by many educators." [00:02:19]
"Discovering the hidden fees in her 403(b) prompted Nancy to seek additional strategies to optimize her retirement savings." [00:36:19]
"Nancy exposes the truth about the 403(b) and its lack of regulatory protection compared to 401(k) plans." [00:05:11]
Resources:
fixmy403b.com - Nancy Bacchetti's website for resources and education on 403(b) plans.
403BWISE - Resource for teachers seeking information about 403(b) plans.
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Jun 12, 2020 • 46min
219 | I'm laid off...now what?
Losing your job doesn't make you powerless — it might make you unstoppable. Brad and Jonathan tackle the raw emotions and real opportunities that come with unexpected job loss, especially during economic upheaval. Instead of the usual platitudes, they focus on recognizing the skills you already have and leveraging them outside traditional roles. Layoffs don't define your worth; they can ignite new ventures and creative solutions that wouldn't have surfaced otherwise.
Key Topics
[00:05:10] Reframing Job Loss
Acknowledging emotions and treating job loss as a potential turning point for personal and professional growth.
[00:12:21] Skill Diversification
The necessity of maintaining a diversified skillset to remain competitive in a changing job market.
[00:14:00] Financial Independence as Power
How financial independence provides options and flexibility, especially in uncertain times.
[00:21:47] Skills Over Titles
Your skills and experience define your value, not just your job title.
[00:13:14] Building a Portfolio
Documenting skills and achievements to showcase your capabilities to potential employers or clients.
[00:41:19] Case Study: Janitor to Analyst
A listener's journey from entry-level work to a professional role by recognizing and applying transferable skills.
[00:39:49] Frugal Wins
Community stories about overcoming financial challenges.
Practical Steps
Reassess your skills and consider opportunities outside traditional employment roles. [00:06:38]
Create a plan for financial independence that includes debt management and savings strategies. [00:11:42]
Document your skillsets and accomplishments to build a compelling portfolio. [00:13:14]
File for unemployment and identify transferable skills for networking or freelancing. [00:26:03]
Notable Quotes
"The worst thing this year could be your best opportunity for growth!" [00:07:21]
"We are designed to adapt and thrive, even in the toughest times." [00:03:33]
"Financial independence empowers you, no matter the challenges." [00:14:00]
"Skills over titles: Your worth is in your abilities, not your job title." [00:21:47]
"Skills are your power; leverage them wisely in the job market!" [00:28:15]
Key Terms
Financial Independence: The state of having sufficient personal wealth to live without having to work actively for basic necessities. [00:14:00]
Talent Stack: A collection of skills that, when combined, create a unique offering in the job market. [00:12:24]
Portfolio: A collection of work that showcases skills and achievements to potential employers or clients. [00:13:14]
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