

ChooseFI | Financial Independence Podcast
ChooseFI
Jonathan & Brad explore the world of Financial Independence. They discuss reducing expenses, crushing debt, building passive income streams through online businesses and real estate. How to pay off debt, Crush your grocery bill and travel the world for free. No topic is too big or small as long as it speeds up the process of reaching financial independence.
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Dec 5, 2022 • 51min
Mental Wealth & Healing | Rich Jones
Financial independence won't fix a drinking problem—Rich Jones discovered that the hard way. After quitting alcohol in July 2020, Rich, a certified wellness coach and Google diversity specialist, uncovered a deeper truth: achieving FI meant nothing without emotional well-being. His journey from corporate burnout to holistic wellness coach reveals why therapy, mental health, and purpose matter more than any spreadsheet ever will.
Key Topics Discussed
Introduction to Rich Jones
[00:00:00]
Rich's background as founder of findmorebalance.com and host of the Mental Wealth Show podcast.
The Decision to Quit Alcohol
[00:01:36]
Rich's realization that alcohol was negatively impacting his life, leading to his commitment to sobriety on July 1st, 2020.
Understanding Emotional Fulfillment
[00:06:22]
Why financial independence does not equate to happiness—mental well-being is essential.
Embracing Therapy and Support Systems
[00:14:11]
The benefits of therapy in navigating personal challenges and the importance of building support networks.
Work as a Tool for Personal Growth
[00:43:00]
How Rich's corporate job at Google helps him achieve personal wellness goals.
Conclusion and Resources
[00:50:04]
Insights on continuing the journey of self-improvement and wellness through community and support.
Notable Quotes
"Celebrating one year of sobriety on July 1st, 2021, after quitting alcohol on July 1st, 2020." [00:19:09]
"Financial independence does not equate to emotional fulfillment." [00:06:22]
"Integrate your passions into your career for a more fulfilling work life." [00:28:02]
"Understanding your work's purpose enhances job satisfaction." [00:47:17]
"Rebuild your life by addressing and breaking down unstable foundations." [00:39:49]
Key Takeaways
Consider therapy as a valuable tool for personal healing
Prioritize mental well-being by setting boundaries at work [00:45:30]
Integrate personal passions into your professional life for greater satisfaction
Reflect on what changes you need to improve your mental wellness [00:10:06]
Resources
Find More Balance: http://findmorebalance.com [00:51:15]
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Dec 2, 2022 • 59min
What's In Your Index Fund? | Katie & Alan Donegan
Most investors have no idea what's actually inside their index funds — a blind spot that could cost them during the next market downturn. Alan and Katie Donegan from the Rebel Finance School spent lockdown analyzing the composition of popular index funds, and what they discovered challenges some widely-held assumptions about diversification and fees.
Brad Barrett talks with the Donegans about their deep dive into how index funds actually work. The conversation examines home country bias, automated rebalancing, fee structures, and whether ESG funds deliver on their promises. Katie shares specific findings from her research into funds like VTSAX, revealing how market cap weighting determines what you actually own.
Key Topics
Introduction to Index Funds [00:00:00]
Alan and Katie share their background and why they became interested in understanding index funds at a granular level.
Understanding What You're Investing In [00:02:00]
Knowing the composition of index funds helps build trust during market fluctuations. Katie discusses analyzing their own portfolio during lockdown.
Home Country Bias [00:06:00]
How investors favor domestic investments and the implications for portfolio diversification.
Automated Rebalancing of Global Funds [00:18:00]
Index funds automatically adjust based on country performance, removing the need for constant monitoring.
Impact of Fees on Investment Success [00:45:00]
The correlation between lower fees and higher investment returns; how fees affect long-term growth.
Conclusion and Future of Investing [00:51:00]
Keeping an open mind about future investing strategies; how index funds adapt over time.
Key Insights
Lower fees are crucial for maximizing returns over time, as evidenced by numerous studies
Global index funds offer significant diversification, reducing risks associated with home country bias
Understanding the underlying assets of index funds, including market capitalization weighting, helps investors make informed decisions
Takeaways
Clarify which investments are in your portfolio to better withstand market downturns
Prioritize low-cost index funds to maximize returns in the long term
Diversify by considering international funds to mitigate home country bias
Notable Quotes
"Charges are the number one predictor of investment success." [00:45:21]
"With a global index fund, you need not worry about market specifics." [00:18:40]
"Invest in the winners without needing to choose." [00:53:00]
Resources
VTSAX Analysis Article [00:21:00]
Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund [00:12:23]
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Nov 28, 2022 • 1h 8min
The Simple Path to Wealth | JL Collins
High investment fees could be costing you millions—and most investors don't realize it until decades of returns have quietly evaporated. Brad Barrett sits down with JL Collins, author of The Simple Path to Wealth, to break down why low-cost index funds outperform active trading, how market crashes can accelerate wealth building, and what actually separates investing from gambling.
JL Collins shares his core philosophy on building wealth through investing in low-cost index funds and maintaining a long-term perspective. The conversation contrasts investing in actual companies versus short-term trading, explaining how costs impact returns and how index funds automatically replace underperforming stocks with stronger ones.
Key Topics
Understanding The Simple Path to Wealth
A foundational strategy emphasizing low-cost, broad-based index fund investing.
[00:02:11]
Investing in Index Funds vs. Gambling
JL contrasts long-term index fund investing with active short-term trading.
"The vast majority who engage in active trading lose; it's like gambling." [00:05:08]
The Importance of Low Fees
How high investment fees erode returns over time, with specific examples showing the millions lost to excessive expenses.
"Always remember: performance fluctuates, but expenses are constant." [00:11:05]
Market Volatility and Wealth Building
JL explains how market downturns benefit long-term investors who continue to invest during drops.
"Don't fear market drops; they're gifts for wealth builders." [00:48:05]
Role of Bonds in a Portfolio
The function of bonds as a stabilizing factor during market fluctuations.
[00:49:17]
Terminology
Index Fund
A mutual fund or ETF designed to follow certain preset rules so that the fund can track a specified index. [00:24:00]
Expense Ratio
The percentage of a fund's assets that are used for operating expenses. [00:11:17]
Self-Cleansing
The mechanism by which an index fund automatically replaces underperforming stocks with better-performing ones. [00:29:02]
Resources
The Simple Path to Wealth by JL Collins [00:01:56]
Vanguard VTSAX Fund Information [00:06:46]
Key Quotes
"Stay the course; if you can't, my advice isn't for you." [00:35:32]
"Index funds are a powerful wealth-building tool." [00:30:50]
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction to the Podcast
[00:02:11] What is The Simple Path to Wealth?
[00:03:21] Investing in Index Funds vs. Gambling
[00:10:34] The Importance of Low Fees
[00:49:17] Bonds and Their Role in a Portfolio
[01:07:59] Conclusion and Key Takeaways
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Nov 21, 2022 • 1h 5min
Short-Term Rentals on the Path to FI | Kelly Cronin
Most people think financial independence requires a six-figure income. Kelly Cronin proved that wrong — not by earning more, but by getting smarter about living on less. A veterinary technician who stumbled onto ChooseFI in 2017, Kelly turned episode 9 on travel rewards into a blueprint for a life most people only dream about: short-term rental properties in Puerto Rico and Alaska, credit card points funding family adventures, and an 11-year-old daughter who now runs marketing for the family business. Her secret? Treating a smaller paycheck as an advantage, not a limitation.
Key Topics & Takeaways
Kelly's Early Financial Life
[00:03:10]
Kelly's intentional approach to money management was influenced by her parents. She credits living on a lower income as a catalyst for significant savings and happiness.
The Superpower of Making Less
[00:09:34]
Kelly explains how living on a lower income led to financial independence by forcing intentionality. "Making less can be a financial superpower!" [00:09:34]
Travel Rewards Experience
[00:15:10]
Travel rewards greatly impacted Kelly's ability to travel affordably. Consider utilizing travel rewards to reduce travel costs significantly. [00:16:10]
Kelly's First Rental Property
[00:21:19]
Kelly ventured into rental properties, starting with her first purchase in Puerto Rico using owner financing. "Understand the true costs of trading life for money." [00:10:26]
Role of Mentorship
[00:30:12]
Kelly highlights the importance of mentorship in her financial journey: "Surround yourself with those who inspire growth." [00:06:09]
Community Building and Experiences
[00:42:12]
Building community and engaging with experiences have led to fulfilling relationships and business ventures. "Social media and podcasts are powerful marketing tools." [00:46:02]
Action Items
Explore the potential of travel rewards by signing up for a travel rewards credit card. [00:16:10]
Create a vision board or a list of your top financial goals and values. [00:14:33]
Reach out to potential mentors in your field of interest to learn and grow from their experiences. [00:06:09]
Related Resources
Cronin's Castles (http://www.croninscastles.com) — Kelly's short-term rental offerings and educational resources. [01:03:08]
Chapter Markers
Introduction to Kelly Cronin [00:00:00]
Kelly's Early Financial Life [00:03:10]
The Superpower of Making Less [00:09:34]
Travel Rewards Experience [00:15:10]
Kelly's First Rental Property [00:21:19]
Role of Mentorship [00:30:12]
Community Building and Experiences [00:42:12]
Episode Mentions:
Episode 009: Life-Changing Travel Rewards [00:01:08]
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Nov 17, 2022 • 1h 10min
409 | 401(k), Mega Backdoor Roth, and the Premium Tax Credit
Most people worry that leaving their W-2 job means diving into a tax nightmare — but what if the opposite were true? Self-employment opens doors to retirement accounts and tax strategies that traditional employees can't access, yet fear of the unknown keeps countless would-be entrepreneurs stuck in corporate life.
Sean Mullaney — tax expert and author of Solo 401k: The Solopreneur's Retirement Account — joins Brad to break down the mechanics of self-employment taxation, retirement planning, and healthcare subsidies. Both income tax and self-employment tax come into play when you work for yourself, requiring estimated quarterly payments instead of automatic W-2 withholding. The conversation then shifts to the Solo 401k, which replicates (and often exceeds) the benefits of traditional employer-sponsored plans while giving you full control over your investment choices and higher contribution limits. The episode closes with a deep look at the Premium Tax Credit for Affordable Care Act plans, explaining how self-employed individuals and early retirees can strategically reduce their modified adjusted gross income to qualify for better subsidies — a crucial consideration for anyone seeking affordable healthcare outside of employer coverage.
Chapter Markers
Introduction to Self-Employment and Taxation [00:00:00]
Estimated Tax Payments Explained [00:08:11]
Understanding the Solo 401k [00:19:51]
Premium Tax Credit Overview [00:54:05]
Conclusion [01:09:05]
Key Insights
"Taxes shouldn't deter you from pursuing self-employment." [00:03:22]
"Knowledge empowers you to leave your W-2 job without fear of taxes." [00:19:34]
"Self-employed? You can still save effectively for retirement." [00:23:11]
"Consider Roth conversions if you're early retired and have low income." [01:01:23]
"Use IRS Pub 560 to help calculate your employer contributions." [00:44:01]
Related Resources
IRS Publication 560 — Calculating employer contributions [00:44:01]
Healthcare.gov Premium Tax Credit — Premium tax credit information [01:07:18]
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Nov 14, 2022 • 56min
Debt Payoff, Disney & Taking Action | Audrey
One woman's skeptical glance at a "too good to be true" Facebook post turned into 33 states traveled, $200,000 in student loans eliminated, and a complete family financial transformation—all in seven years. Audrey's story begins with a friend's casual mention of free Disney vacations through credit card rewards, sparking her curiosity about whether this could actually work. After verifying the strategy and diving into the ChooseFI community, she and her husband didn't just optimize their travel—they rebuilt their entire financial life while raising a family, proving that financial independence isn't about deprivation, but strategic choices that fund the experiences that matter most.
Chapters
[00:00:00] Introduction
[00:01:40] Audrey's Journey into Financial Independence – How Audrey discovered travel rewards and verified the strategy
[00:06:30] The Student Loan Experience – Paying off $200,000 in student loans in 7 years while living on one modest income
[00:04:36] The Power of Community – How connections within the ChooseFI community influenced their journey
[00:25:39] Travel Rewards Optimization – Using Southwest points to visit 33 states and maximize family travel
[00:40:54] Balancing Financial Goals and Family Life – Finding harmony between financial discipline and family experiences
Key Quotes
"I knew this could really work for us." [00:01:40]
"It's been a thrilling sprint alongside a lengthy marathon." [00:03:00]
"We survived solely on my modest income." [00:06:30]
"Southwest Airlines allows us to travel where we want effortlessly." [00:25:39]
"Striking a balance has been crucial for us." [00:40:54]
Actions You Can Take
Scrutinize loan payments: Ensure the loan servicer applies extra payments correctly to the highest interest loans
Budget for fun: Create a budget that incorporates enjoyable experiences for the family while still saving
Utilize travel rewards: Research and leverage travel rewards to reduce travel expenses significantly
Related Resources
Talent Stacker Salesforce Program [00:43:24]
Salesforce Transformation - Episode 117
Deep Dive into Salesforce Career Opportunities - Episode 297
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Nov 7, 2022 • 1h 18min
18 Months of Massive Action | Josue
Josue felt like he was drifting through life—then he stumbled on ChooseFI and everything changed. The Southern California resident wrote in with one of those emails that makes a podcast host sit up straighter: "I was drifting through life on the standard path, but now I am choosing FI." What followed was a cascade of financial decisions most people spend years contemplating, condensed into months of focused action.
Before finding the community, Josue was stuck in the same inertia that traps millions: working, earning, spending, repeat. After discovering the podcast and books, he opened a Vanguard account, moved his investments, optimized his retirement contributions across Roth IRAs and 457 plans, switched from whole life to term insurance, and figured out how to use travel rewards to take his family to Kauai—all while gaining the mental clarity that comes from finally taking control. His journey illustrates how the right information at the right time, combined with a willingness to act, can compress decades of financial mistakes into a few months of rapid course correction.
Chapters:
[00:00:36] Introduction to Josue's Journey
[00:02:56] Finding the ChooseFI Community
[00:06:25] The Importance of a Growth Mindset
[00:11:18] Taking Action with Finances
[00:05:29] Travel Rewards Explained
[01:06:52] Closing Remarks
Key Discussion Points:
[00:01:51] Breaking Out of Drift:
Josue describes his initial feelings of drifting through life and how discovering ChooseFI changed his perspective.
[00:05:29] Leveraging Travel Rewards:
Josue shares his successful experience using travel rewards to take a trip to Kauai, showing how this knowledge made vacations affordable.
[00:06:25] The Importance of a Growth Mindset:
How adopting a growth mindset enabled Josue to make significant financial and mental changes.
[00:11:18] Taking Immediate Action:
Josue talks about the importance of immediate action on financial knowledge gained, including opening a Vanguard account and moving investments.
[00:39:59] Prioritizing Retirement Accounts:
Why investing in accounts like Roth IRAs and 457 plans is crucial for long-term financial stability.
[00:54:05] Switching to Term Life Insurance:
How choosing term life insurance over whole life saved money while providing sufficient coverage.
[01:06:00] Mental Clarity:
Making changes can enhance both your finances and mental well-being.
Practical Steps:
Start listening to financial podcasts to enhance your knowledge. [00:12:24]
Utilize library resources for free access to books and community programs. [00:03:09]
Find opportunities to optimize your expenses, like switching to a term life insurance policy. [00:54:05]
Related Resources:
4,000 Weeks by Oliver Berkman [01:08:01]
Simple Path to Wealth [00:18:02]
Key Quotes:
"Making changes can enhance both your finances and mental well-being." [01:06:00]
"ChooseFI makes understanding finance accessible." [00:12:24]
"The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago, the next best time is today." [00:45:32]
"Term life insurance can save you money while providing ample coverage." [00:54:05]
Common Questions Answered:
What is a growth mindset and how can it impact financial decisions?
A growth mindset emphasizes the belief that abilities and intelligence can be developed with effort and learning, which can lead to improved financial decisions and proactive investing. [00:17:00]
How can someone get started with travel rewards?
Understanding the basics of travel rewards, researching various credit card offers, and knowing how to maximize points for flights and accommodations can jumpstart your travel rewards journey. [00:05:29]
Why is it important to prioritize investments in retirement accounts?
Investing in retirement accounts allows individuals to leverage tax advantages and compound growth, significantly enhancing their financial stability in the long run. [00:39:59]
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Oct 31, 2022 • 49min
Just Keep Buying | Nick Maggiulli
Most people assume maxing out your 401(k) is always the right move — but what if the fees and opportunity costs wipe out the tax benefits? Nick Maggiore, author of "Just Keep Buying" and COO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, challenges this assumption and other conventional FI wisdom using hard data. Brad Barrett and Brian Feroldi dig into Nick's philosophy of continuous investment in income-producing assets, the psychology behind why high earners still feel broke, and when lump-sum investing beats dollar-cost averaging.
Key Topics Discussed
Just Keep Buying Concept
[00:03:02] Nick introduces the core idea: consistent investment over time in a diverse range of income-producing assets — stocks, REITs, and other vehicles — tends to yield positive financial results regardless of market conditions.
Key Quote: "Consistent investment in a diverse range of income-producing assets is key." [00:04:17]
Dollar-Cost Averaging Explained
[00:04:52] Discussion on the benefits of dollar-cost averaging and when to invest lump sums vs. when to average into the market. Nick notes that the "suboptimal method" (averaging) only works during times of fear, making it psychologically challenging.
Key Quote: "Ironically, using the 'suboptimal method' only succeeds during times of fear, making it challenging." [00:07:37]
Evaluating 401k Contributions
[00:35:21] Nick challenges the orthodoxy of maxing out 401(k)s, highlighting hidden fees, opportunity costs, and the actual tax advantages. He urges listeners to evaluate their specific plan rather than follow blanket advice.
Key Quote: "High fees and opportunity costs can diminish the tax benefits of maxing out a 401k; it's essential to evaluate your specific plan." [00:36:02]
Feeling Wealthy vs. Actual Wealth
[00:44:09] Exploration of why many feel inadequate despite significant wealth, emphasizing social comparisons and appropriate benchmarks.
Key Quote: "Feelings of inadequacy often stem from inappropriate comparisons of wealth." [00:44:09]
Nick points out that most retirees have enough but remain overly cautious due to peer comparisons. [00:19:43]
Action Items
Evaluate your current investment strategy and consider applying continuous investment principles. [00:04:17]
Review the fees and structure of your 401k to determine if it's the right approach for you. [00:36:02]
Reassess wealth relative to broader contexts rather than immediate peer groups. [00:44:09]
Resources
Just Keep Buying by Nick Maggiore – A guide exploring practical investment strategies and behavioral finance insights.
Terminology
REIT: Real Estate Investment Trust - a company that owns, operates, or finances income-producing real estate. [00:09:26]
Dollar-Cost Averaging: Investing a fixed amount of money at regular intervals regardless of asset price. [00:04:52]
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Oct 24, 2022 • 1h 8min
Alignment & Adjustments | Scott & Taylor Rieckens
Most people spend five years chasing financial independence only to discover they've been chasing the wrong thing entirely. When Scott and Taylor Rieckens documented their FI journey in the documentary "Playing with Fire," they set out on what they thought would be a 10-year sprint toward early retirement. Five years in—that notorious middle stretch where momentum fades and doubt creeps in—they're sharing what actually changed: not their net worth trajectory, but their understanding of what the journey was really about.
Introduction to the Rickins [00:00:00]
Scott first connected with ChooseFI in 2017 after discovering the FI community through Mr. Money Mustache on the Tim Ferriss show. He and his wife Taylor embarked on a documented journey toward financial independence, captured in their documentary "Playing with Fire."
The Importance of Happiness Lists [00:03:03]
Scott introduces the concept of happiness lists—writing down activities and elements that bring genuine joy. This simple exercise shifted their focus from money to values, revealing that their journey had almost nothing to do with finances and everything to do with intentional living. [00:06:56]
Lessons from COVID [00:19:21]
The pandemic brought uncertainty but also unexpected clarity. It deepened their community connections and forced them to reevaluate what truly mattered, ultimately refining their plans and priorities.
Community and Connection [00:50:06]
Community became a dynamic and essential part of their journey. Cultivating intentional relationships with people who share values proved more valuable than any financial optimization. [01:00:26]
Adjustments Based on Evolving Goals [00:54:47]
Scott and Taylor share how they made life adjustments aligned with their evolving understanding of happiness and fulfillment. They learned that everything—including work-life balance and personal needs—is negotiable. [00:54:58]
Conclusion and Reflections [01:06:54]
The couple reflects on how their perspective has transformed from viewing FI as a destination to understanding it as a framework for intentional living and quality of life.
Key Quotes:
"It turns out it had almost nothing to do with money. It was about our life and our values." [00:06:56]
"Your day-to-day happiness has very little to do with that." [00:10:02]
"Time is our most valuable resource." [01:03:31]
"Everything is negotiable." [00:54:47]
"We're not just going through the motions; we have that extra space to look at your life." [00:22:37]
Related Resources:
Playing with Fire Documentary
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Oct 16, 2022 • 1h 6min
Court From Modern FImily Returns
Court achieved financial independence and promptly did something most FI purists would call reckless: she moved into a bigger house, kept her townhouse as a rental, and cut her hours in half — all while pregnant. Two years later, she's living proof that the most rigid interpretation of the 4% rule might be missing the point entirely.
After hitting her FI number, Court leveraged Canada's generous parental leave (61 weeks) to test-run life beyond traditional work. She and her husband transitioned from their townhouse to a single-family home, successfully renting out the former property and capitalizing on a hot real estate market. Rather than obsessing over withdrawal rates and mathematical certainty, Court focused on creating immediate lifestyle improvements — more time with her young children, part-time work instead of full-time, and experiences that matter now rather than waiting for some future retirement date.
Brad Barrett sits down with Court to explore what happened after she reached FI and why flexibility matters more than rigid adherence to any single plan.
Key Topics Discussed
Transition to Part-Time Work
Court shares her shift from full-time to part-time work, prioritizing family time with young children over maximizing income. [00:02:00]
Leveraging Parental Leave
Canada's parental leave system provided Court with substantial time off to bond with her second child while maintaining financial stability. [00:05:00]
Real Estate Strategy
The family moved from a townhouse to a single-family home while converting their previous property into a rental, profiting from strong market conditions. [00:05:30], [00:42:00]
Creating Life Balance
Court advocates for prioritizing family time and enjoyable living experiences rather than solely focusing on hitting the FI number. [00:10:00]
The Flex Rate Concept
The conversation explores flexible income generation and expense adjustments during the transition to FI, rather than relying exclusively on rigid withdrawal rates. [00:12:00]
Financial Simplification
Court discusses streamlining financial decisions and reducing complexity. [00:44:00]
Timestamps
[00:00:00] Welcome and Introduction
[00:01:50] Court's Journey Update
[00:02:00] Transition to Part-Time Work
[00:05:00] Utilization of Parental Leave
[00:10:00] Discussion on Flexibility and Life Balance
[00:42:00] Real Estate Experience
[00:44:00] Financial Simplification
[01:03:00] Final Thoughts and Advice
Key Quotes
"Making a shift can lead to a more enjoyable life." — Court [00:10:02]
"Success isn't just about reaching your FI number." — Court [00:21:13]
"Gradual steps towards your FI number can lead to more enjoyment." — Court [00:23:27]
"You're still retiring early compared to conventional retirement age." — Court [00:10:35]
"Focus on creating a lifestyle during your journey." — Court [00:11:00]
Terminology
FI — Financial Independence, a state where an individual or household has sufficient wealth to live without having to actively work. [00:02:00]
GIC — Guaranteed Investment Certificate, a Canadian investment that earns a fixed interest rate for a fixed period. [00:54:00]
CPP — Canada Pension Plan, a government-funded retirement income plan in Canada. [00:56:00]
Related Resources
ChooseFI Local Groups [00:21:00]
Related Episodes
Episode 166 — Court's first appearance
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