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The Hospitality Hangout is where the restaurant industry gets real.
Hosted by Schatzy, the Restaurant Guy, and Jimmy, the Finance Guy, this funny, unfiltered hospitality podcast dives into restaurant trends, food service innovation, hospitality technology, and the investment strategies shaping the future of the industry.
With decades of hands-on experience operating restaurants and structuring capital markets deals, these two bring real-world insight from the kitchen to the boardroom. They connect the biggest operators, boldest founders, and sharpest investors in hospitality for conversations you won’t hear anywhere else.
Each week you’ll hear from C-suite restaurant executives, franchise leaders, emerging brand founders, hospitality tech innovators, and private equity investors who are building the next era of food and hospitality.
Expect insider stories, sharp opinions, real numbers, and plenty of laughs. No fluff. No corporate spin. Just honest conversations about what is actually happening in restaurants and food service.
If you care about scaling restaurants, raising capital, building brands, or staying ahead of hospitality trends, this is your show.
Grab a drink, pull up a chair, and let’s talk shop.
Welcome to The Hospitality Hangout.
Hosted by Schatzy, the Restaurant Guy, and Jimmy, the Finance Guy, this funny, unfiltered hospitality podcast dives into restaurant trends, food service innovation, hospitality technology, and the investment strategies shaping the future of the industry.
With decades of hands-on experience operating restaurants and structuring capital markets deals, these two bring real-world insight from the kitchen to the boardroom. They connect the biggest operators, boldest founders, and sharpest investors in hospitality for conversations you won’t hear anywhere else.
Each week you’ll hear from C-suite restaurant executives, franchise leaders, emerging brand founders, hospitality tech innovators, and private equity investors who are building the next era of food and hospitality.
Expect insider stories, sharp opinions, real numbers, and plenty of laughs. No fluff. No corporate spin. Just honest conversations about what is actually happening in restaurants and food service.
If you care about scaling restaurants, raising capital, building brands, or staying ahead of hospitality trends, this is your show.
Grab a drink, pull up a chair, and let’s talk shop.
Welcome to The Hospitality Hangout.
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Apr 25, 2023 • 1h 3min
Restaurant Leaders Share Their Path to Expansion and Secrets to Success | Season 8, Vol. 30
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout podcast, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “ The Finance Guy” were on the road at Restaurant Leadership Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. Their guests include the President of Dunn Brothers Coffee, Kim Plahn, Alex Eagle, CEO of Freebirds World Burrito, Daran Han, Cargill, and Scott Taylor, President and CEO of Walk’Ons Sports Bistreaux. Ed and Dan Dunn were on a mission to roast in small batches, serve freshly brewed coffee, and provide an experience and the community was front and center. Dunn Brothers Coffee opened in 1987. Plahn has been with Dunn for 16 years and the brand currently has 55 locations and is continuing to grow. Gala Capital Partners recently acquired Dunn Brothers Coffee. Plahn said, “We're getting infrastructure all set, we're getting our pipelines going, and we're looking at new models for business. We have wonderful funding behind us and we are ready to grow and share our brand.” Alex Eagle is the CEO of Freebirds World Burrito, the Austin-based restaurant chain. Eagle has worked for the ownership group, Tavistock Group for 11 years. Eagles said that they have 63 locations and 100 percent of the company is operated in Texas and focused on burritos and bowls. The guys ask Eagle where restaurant and technology will be in two years, and he said, Well I think people are still taking a look at the labor issue the most and how do we become more efficient and how do we create a better work environment for our employees at the same time.Daran Han leads the food tech division at Cargill. Han said I think a big part of our long-term strategy and vision is that we realized to serve the industry better we have to start getting technology and understanding how digital and the technology solutions are impacting what we're doing across the industry. Cargill Digital Studios as we continue to build this out, the portfolio last time when on the show had four or five new products and now has eight in the portfolio.Walk’Ons Sports Bistreaux CEO, Scott Taylor stopped by to chat with the guys. Walk-On’s operates 75 locations and is on the path to reaching 100 locations by the end of 2024. Taylor talks about the underdog mentality and how Walk-On’s embraces that and allows it to drive their culture. To hear more from all of the guests that stopped by to chat with Schatzberg and Frischling at RLC and the crystal ball moments, check out this episode Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Apr 19, 2023 • 35min
REWIND - What Do Hot Dogs, Michael Jackson and Ghost Kitchens Have In Common | Season 8, Vol. 29
Episode Credits:
- Sponsored by: DirecTV
- Produced by: Branded Hospitality Media
- Hosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy Frischling
- Producer: Julie Zucker
- Creative Director: Adam Levine
- Show Runner: Drewe Raimi
- Post Production: GrodMedia
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Apr 4, 2023 • 52min
Delivering the Digital Restaurant Part 2 | Season 8, Vol. 28
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout podcast, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “ The Finance Guy” chat with the authors of “Delivering the Digital Restaurant: The Path to Digital Maturity,” Meredith Sandland and Carl Orsbourn. Sandland, co-author of two books, “Delivering the Digital Restaurant, Your Roadmap to the Future of Food”, as well as the new one “Delivering the Digital Restaurant, The Path to Digital Maturity.” Sandland says, “My background, I was at Taco Bell for many years, leading development there and building lots and lots of Taco Bells and started to wonder, why are we building all these Taco Bells next to malls when no one goes to malls anymore? That seems kind of weird. And that planted a seed which only grew when we tried to enter Manhattan and I thought, why are we paying the world's most expensive real estate prices when 40% of our sales are going out-the-door delivery.”Orsbourn before meeting Sandland was working for a large oil and gas company but spent 15 years in the retail space. “I wanted to speak to folks that had made that transition from big company blue chip world into the startup environment and a mutual friend of Meredith and mine introduced us and it was through the conversation there that Meredith said I'm doing this thing in ghost kitchens now and at that time I thought well this is a doozy, isn't it,” Orsbourn said. Sandland who had joined Kitchen United explained the logic about why ghost kitchens made sense and Orsbourn was immediately drawn in. Orsbourn also joined the Kitchen United team and helped them build out the operational model. Orsbourn talks about every big restaurant chain in the U.S. that was looking to explore ghost kitchens and trying to understand the digital disruption that was happening, He says, “When you're doing something new, it's not easy to help people see that future, especially when there are hundreds of millions of dollars being plowed into this space and a lot of restaurants at that time were very begrudging towards the whole idea of this and that's where the genesis of the initial book came.”They talk about digital maturity and how an operator can recognize where they fall on the digital maturity scale. Orsbourn says, “A digitally mature restaurant is, and there's a story that is told in this, Jimmy, as you go through it because, in many ways, a fully digitally mature restaurant is one that in many ways needs to reorient its entire business model towards what it's gonna take to become digitally mature.” To hear about digitally native restaurants and holistic technology plus get the answers for Trivia Tuesday check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 28, 2023 • 44min
Franchise CEOs Reveal Their Secret To Expansion Success | Season 8, Vol. 27
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and guest host David "Rev" Ciancio chat with Betsy Hamm, CEO of Duck Donuts, Charles Watson, CEO of Tropical Smoothie, and Gregg Majewski, CEO of Craveworthy Brands while on the road at RFIS, Restaurant Franchising & Innovation Summit. Hamm, chief executive officer of Duck Donuts, a made-to-order donut concept says that what makes them different is when you walk into a Duck Donuts there aren't any donuts already sitting there made. The customer customizes their donut order and gets to watch their donuts get made. Hamm shares franchising insights and says, “ you know life as a franchisor is very difficult and life as a franchisee is very difficult and I think everything has been tested the last few years and continues. We think every month maybe it'll be calmer.” She adds, “we want to be known for having a superior product with an exceptional customer experience.”Watson, CEO of Tropical Smoothie Cafe a brand that offers fresh, made-to-order smoothies, wraps, sandwiches, and flatbreads stops by to talk with the guys. Watson says they have crossed the 1200 mark on cafe locations, opened 158 new stores last year, and will open 170 new locations in 2023. Watson attributes the success to their franchisees. He says, “we have some dedicated and passionate franchisees and combine that with a brand that is simple, that provides a healthier option for everybody that's on the go. We focus a lot on convenience and speed at Tropical Smoothie Cafe.”Craveworthy Brands' chief executive officer Majewski stops to talk about the brands and RFIS show. Majewski has been working in the Food and Beverage industry for over 23 years. He worked for Jimmy John’s before putting together Craveworthy Brands. Majewskis says, “I was going to put together a group to do platforms properly and when I talk about platforms I talk about it being a group of restaurants that can work together and have shared services that the emerging brands can never achieve on their own.”To hear more details and insights into franchising from Hamm, Watson, and Majewski, plus the Branded Quickfire Florida addition questions check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 21, 2023 • 47min
From Mom's Kitchen To A Multi-Unit Brand | Season 8, Vol. 26
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “The Finance Guy” chat with Otto Othman, Chief executive officer and Co-founder of PINCHO, a premium Latin street food concept. Othman was born and raised in Brazil and moved to the United States when he was sixteen. He was a software developer for years, then design and advertising. Prior to PINCHO he was a creative director for a large advertising agency. Othman says, “I'm a big computer nerd and I got into design and I was working for this ad agency. But prior to that, I did a lot of work in the hospitality industry. So the biggest nightclubs in Miami, the biggest restaurants, I was part of a boutique agency that that's what we did for a living we branded them, we created campaigns for them, so I kind of fell in love with hospitality.” PINCHO is a slang word for a kebab and the kebab recipe was his mom’s recipe, Othman says. He opened his restaurant and it quickly became a local favorite. PINCHO’s with ten existing locations in Florida now is expanding to Texas. The restaurant has won several awards for the best burger. “We were smart enough early on to bring on the director of culinary when we had one store. So we are the fast-casual and had a chef since store number one. That really played a huge huge role. Adrian Sanchez is currently still with today, he is our director of culinary. He's an incredible incredible incredible chef and he is the guy behind all of the sauce,” Othman says. Othman talks about PINCHO’s core values which are flavor, culture, and passion. He said flavor matters, they have had a chef from the beginning, flavor in the food, and the way they serve their food. The second is culture and it is not only the culture that they are building internally for their teams but is about being part of the fabric part of the culture of Miami. Othman adds, “if you're not passionate about hospitality, you shouldn't be in this game. It's not an easy gig. You got to have passion for serving people, you have to have passion for inviting folks into your home but internally as a team, we have to have passion about everything that we do.”PINCHO due to Othman’s background in technology he says has the best tech stack for the size of the brand. Also, they are part of the Savory Fund brands and this allows them to benefit from the proprietary technology. Othman talks about the artificial intelligence that they use as well as PINCHO University. To hear how PINCHO’s Savory partnership, more insights on technology and the talking back question check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 14, 2023 • 57min
On the Road from MURTEC | Season 8, Vol. 25
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout podcast, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and special guest host Sterling Douglass were on the road at MURTEC and spoke to Angela Diffly, Co-Founder of the Restaurant Technology Network, Carissa DeSantis, CTO of Brix Holdings, Frazer Nagy, CEO of Tablz, Geoff Alexander the President and CEO Wow Bao and Zerrick Pearson the CIO at Five Guys Enterprises. The discussion begins with Diffly the co-founder of RTN, Restaurant Technology Network, a membership community that is dedicated to the restaurant technology industry. They have over 300 restaurant brands and about 100 vendor brands associated with RTN. Start-Up Alley, which is presented by RTN. This is the third Start-Up Alley and the focus is on the new start-up technology companies. Next DeSantis, chief technology officer at Brix Holdings shares the new initiatives that they have brought to the brands over the last year. She talks about adding new POS as well as adding robotics. DeSantis is also serving as a judge for Start-Up Alley. Nagy, Chief Executive Officer of Tablz an immersive 3D booking experience stops by and talks about being a participant in Start-Up Alley. Nagy points out that Tablz is the only participant that is the only tech that is dedicated to full-service restaurants. Wow Bao’s president and chief executive officer, Alexander says that they have done over 700 virtual or dark kitchen locations and recently got involved with e-commerce direct-to-consumer with Walmart.com and Amazon.com. Wow Bao is now available in grocery stores and hot food vending machines. The last guest from the MURTEC show was Pearson, CIO for Five Guys Enterprises and a Start-Up Alley judge. Five Guys can be found in 26 countries and Pearson manages IT for the brand. He says that he’s seeing several companies working on customer engagement. To hear more from all of the guests that stopped by to chat with Schatzberg and Douglass at MURTEC, plus the Branded Quickfire Las Vegas questions and responses check out this episode Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 7, 2023 • 46min
CoffeeChat-GPT And Three Ingredients Of Hospitality To Elevate Your Business | Season 8, Vol. 24
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “The Finance Guy” chat with Jacob Jaber, Co-Founder of Philz Coffee and Consumer Investor. In 1978 Phil Jaber purchased a convenience store and in his off hours, he blended and tested coffee, looking to make the perfect cup. Philz Coffee was born and has gone from starting from one store to seventy-five. Jaber says, “I love people, I've been in business since I was nine years old. I started in a convenience store in my dad's convenience store in the Mission District in San Francisco standing on top of milk crates ringing up people at the register. I hated school because I felt like I was forced to learn stuff I wasn't interested in from people who weren't interesting. So I kind of put all of my energy into working with my dad and I learned a ton about business and people there and I fell in love with it and I've been doing that mostly ever since.”Jaber talks about how he and his dad built Philz Coffee. He said that he knew how to treat people, how to make a personal cup of coffee, and how to work the business. They worked with people that knew how to create systems, processes, and organizational structures to help them open locations. In terms of investing and advising Jaber says that he’s helped hundreds of entrepreneurs strategize, find product market fit, and build a team. He says this brings him the most joy. Jaber currently has almost twenty companies in his portfolio and they are out there looking for businesses. Frischling asks Jaber what it takes to build a restaurant or venue today. Jaber says, “I think the most important thing is you got to love what you're doing, you got to love the product that you're selling, I see a lot of technology-first companies that sell food and it's very difficult to succeed because you have to love food if you're in the food business. Technology's an enabler it's not the starter.” To hear more insights from Jaber about opening a business today and what he looks for when investing, plus get the Tuesday trivia answers check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 27, 2023 • 42min
Adventures in Candyland Cocktails, Mensa and Meat | Season 8, Vol. 23
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “The Finance Guy” chat with James O'Reilly, Chief Executive Officer of Smokey Bones. O’Reilly has been in the restaurant industry for 25 years. Prior to joining Smokey Bones as CEO in 2019, he was President and CEO of Long John Silver’s. O’Reilly held leadership roles at other restaurant brands, including Sonic Drive-in, Pizza Hut, and KFC. “Our tagline is meat is what we do and what that means is you cannot find a casual dining restaurant that has more cuts of meat, prepared in more kinds of ways than you can at Smokey Bones. So if you're thinking about steakhouses, we have more, if you're thinking about general casual dining restaurants, we have more and we have better. So we love what we do here. We're passionate about being a protein candy store,” says O’Reilly. Smokey Bones has recently launched Bite Hall, an e-commerce site that is taking five brands, Smokey Bones, The Wing Experience, and Burger Experience, plus two virtual brands Bowl Market and Tender Box under one digital roof. O’Reilly says, “we started with a major commitment to off-premise in this company when I joined and built my management team because we really believe in the power of off-premise and casual dining.”O’Reilly talks about realizing consumers who are in the traditional third-party marketplace space that wanted to order different things from different restaurants, would be looking at multiple deliveries, multiple commissions, and multiple fees. He says BiteHall was born out of this idea where the consumer has all of the bites in one site, one check, one order, and one delivery. The guys talk to O’Reilly about being the first virtual brand that was offered on Uber Eats as well as Smokey Bones going all in on drive-thrus. O’Reilly shares that they have a fully equipped digital drive-thru with everything you would find in a limited service drive-thru from the menu boards, the loop detection, the audio, and the digital menu boards as well as the pull-up window. They built a dedicated expediting kitchen inside the restaurant with its own beverage equipment its own hot and cold equipment, a fry station, and dedicated packaging. To hear more details about BiteHall, limited-time offers, Adventures in Candyland cocktails, and Tuesday trivia answers check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 20, 2023 • 44min
Food Wars, Tech Stars, and raising the Marketing Bar! | Season 8, Vol. 22
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “The Finance Guy” chat with Anton Nicholas, Managing Partner at ICR. ICR is an integrated communications firm. Nicholas says, “We do everything from public company investor and public relations to private company consumer public relations and brand public relations. We also do a ton in the transaction support world and crisis communications.” Nicholas is responsible for managing the firm’s consumer corporate and financial communications practice as well as the ICR Lifestyle Lab, ICR’s consumer and brand public relations practice.Frischling asks Nicholas to share how the dramatic shift away from capital has expanded the focus on marketing and how this is affecting your business and your clients. Nicholas says that 2022 was something they have never seen before, the capital markets were shut, and getting capital for marketing was evaporated. “So I think what happened was whether you're big or small you realize that you really got to focus on your core business and in particular for restaurants you know that's about trying to attract new and also get existing customers to repeat frequency and I think we've seen a ton of people shift back to those traditional ways to do that,” Nicholas says. He adds, “In today's world with digital in particular, PR tends to be higher ROI because it's less expensive upfront investment than advertising.”Nicholas shares his thoughts on traditional media verse digital media as well as the trends and how you know people consume data. He says, “I think if you look at the way people consume media today, it's just more broad-based. They still read The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times of the world. They do it digitally probably mostly, but they still read those publications, and those publications still have influence just as much as some commentary blog.” To hear how media can influence how we consume data as well as consume food, plus get the answers for Tuesday trivia check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 14, 2023 • 45min
Chowly Announces Acquisition of a Guest Experience Platform | Season 8, Vol. 21
In the latest episode of Hospitality Hangout, Michael Schatzberg “The Restaurant Guy” and Jimmy Frischling “The Finance Guy” chat with Sterling Douglass, Co-Founder & CEO of Chowly.Douglass says “Chowly is a leading point-of-sale integration company. We're enabling restaurants to expand and maintain different off-premise capabilities. So you know today we're seamlessly integrating orders from all the biggest platforms. So, Grubhub Uber Eats, DoorDash, and when Google food ordering came out last year and we've got a couple of hundred other integrations on different platforms.” He adds, “We've got over 12,000 restaurants on our platform and they're increasing their revenue. They're improving their operational flow and they're saving on labor costs.” The guys tease with breaking news that will be shared on this podcast and Douglass shares it. He says, “So with great pleasure and excitement to announce we've closed the deal to bring Koala this is an online ordering company with an absolutely stellar best-in-class guest experience platform under the Chowly umbrella, we are combining forces. We are the same company and we're going to be bringing an amazing product to the space. I can't be more excited about what the future brings for these 2 companies and what we can do together.”Douglass noted that Koala’s mission statement is what really spoke to him. He says, “their mission statement is to democratize premium online ordering for restaurants and so when I thought about what we could do in combination with them and you know they've done a great job with companies like Shake Shack and Mod pizza and P.F. Chang’s. If we could bring that experience and the revenue generators and the features that they have and we could bring that to the mom and pop and to the independent operator I thought what better way could we help accelerate that aspirational mission that they have.”To hear more about the acquisition and the answers to the Tuesday trivia questions, check out this episode of Hospitality Hangout.
Episode Credits:Sponsored by: DirecTVProduced by: Branded Hospitality MediaHosted by: Michael Schatzberg, JImmy FrischlingProducer: Julie ZuckerCreative Director: Adam LevineShow Runner: Drewe RaimiPost Production: GrodMediawww.thehospitalityhangout.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


