

World of Wisdom
World of Wisdom
A curiosity driven podcast about wisdom, learning and the personal and systemic implications of the transition we are in. Hosted by Amit Paul and Nils von Heijne. For extended shownotes visit: https://worldofwisdom.substack.com/
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Mar 24, 2026 • 1h 2min
291. Marina Mussapi - Creativity, Systems change and investing as a bridge
Marina Mussapi (LI) at the Moleskin Foundation came by the podcast and we spoke of creativity as a vehicle for transformation. How can we support and invest in the arts without corrupting their spirit? What does it look like to invest contextually in local contexts to empower creators? What does it look like to decanter the heroic role of the investor and focus on creating conditions for movement? We speak of this throughout the work Marina is doing with the Creative Pioneers Fund among other things. We also speak of the centrality of questions and inquiry and right towards the Marina brings the liberating word of tenderness into the conversation. This is a wonderful conversation that relate to investing regeneratively in regenerative projects and a different way of moving in the world. Enjoy.

Mar 16, 2026 • 1h 4min
290. Ebru Kaya & André Stürmer - Regenerative investing, barriers and experiences to regenerative investing from the front lines
Ebru Kaya (LI) and André Stürmer (LI) founders of both RIA and Atreyu came by the podcast for a deepdive into regenerative investing. Not just investing in regenerative companies but what it means to invest regeneratively. We speak of profit, the position, role and stance of the investor, the experiences Ebru and André have made in their long experience as well as their learning edge. We speak of how everyone is an investor and the relationship between a company and it’s field or ecology - and why it makes sense to focus both on the health of a company and it’s surroundings. This is a wonderful conversation that really highlights the difference between impact and regenerative investing. Enjoy!

Mar 3, 2026 • 1h 8min
289. Roundtable: Adam Purvis, Jenny Grettve - institutions, extetutions and the rigorous practice of care
Adam Purvis (LI) of Dark Matter Labs and Jenny Grettve (LI) of EIT Culture and Creativity, artist and creative joined me for a roundtable conversation about institutions and their transformation. We spoke of power and what it takes to shift. Language - when the complexity serves us and when it gets in the way. We spoke of institutions, their development and the move away from care. We spoke of institutions as certainty artefacts and the fact that they will likely have to become learning artefacts. We spoke of the newly coined term Extetutions. Enjoy! And if you're curious to find out more about the talk that sparked the conversation you can find it here.

Feb 24, 2026 • 1h 5min
288. David Ekelund - business as a vehicle for mutual thriving, developmental organistaions and sustainability
David Ekelund the co-CEO and founder of Icebug came on the podcast (LI) and we spoke about what it is to run a company that does not consider itself sustainable but that is acting for increasing thriving and contributing positively to the world. We speak of Icebugs journey to where they are today, how they work with people and supplychains. Their approach to value distribution as well as how they think about cost. This is an inspiring conversation drawing from 25 years of experience in running a company with a regenerative posture. Enjoy!

Feb 16, 2026 • 1h 6min
287. Camille Accolas - trust exchange, biodiveristy, and the human element
Camille Accolas (Founder of TrustExchange, LinkedInCamille Accolas (Founder of TrustExchange, LinkedIn) came on the podcast and we spoke about trust and what becomes possible when we're allowed to show up as full pepole. We spoke of Camilles past in sustainability and biodiversity and how even there being able to bring people together and create containers was key to driving change. What happens when we turn the tables and change the rules of engagement between eg. VCs and Startups? How working with tangible things are more difficult to scale but easier to grasop. How we are worth more as humans than our last paycheck and how creating spaces full of presence with a clear intention has the potential to make us remember. This is a lovely convo. Check out Camilles work and enjoy!

Feb 8, 2026 • 1h 40min
286. Larissa Conte - Wattage, Power and Business 3.0
Larissa Conte (LinkedIn) and I spoke about the work she's been doing on power. We spoke about wattage. The notion that power is an experience not a thought. That we are afraid of power and what we may do with it. We spoke of shadow power: over and the one we give away, as well as the power that serves the whole. Larissas work with heart centered leaders was the backbone of this conversation. It is a primer to a different way of thinking about power as: the capacity to move energy through systems. We spoke of how power shows up when we are willing and able to deal with it and when we are not, and we finished by speaking about what all this has to do with business 3.0. This is a joyful, deep and hands on conversation that will give the listener not just food for thought but also a viseral experience of what power may feel like. Want to find out more about Larissas work check out: Wayfinding

Jan 25, 2026 • 1h 11min
285. Samantha Sweetwater - Homecoming, true humans and enlifenment
Samantha Sweetwater, author and coach focused on relationality, spirituality and ecological transformation, discusses homecoming and her book True Human. She explores the roots of the meta-crisis, the shift to enlivenment and how technology could align with life. Short, provocative takes on collective readiness, non-extractive communication and plural paths toward renaissance.

Jan 11, 2026 • 1h 12min
284. Marie Ekeland - Reinventing the VC-model, Alignment and Investments that create reality
Marie Ekeland (LI) founder of 2050 and venture capitalist came on and we spoke about how they are reinventing the VC model so it may contribute to a regenerative future. This is a very hands on conversation that dives into the weeds: the fund structure their alignment model, the world they are hoping to create through their investment, the incentives. It's absolutely excellent. We also speak of why investment is a creation of reality, of the dangers of financial and real economy living in separate realities and why it is (perhaps more than ever) important to find ways to go against the market norm. Enjoy!

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Jan 4, 2026 • 1h 5min
283. Dave Snowden - Complexity, Coherence and Agency
Dave Snowden, founder of the Cynefin Co. and a visionary in complexity science, explores fascinating themes around change and decision-making. He critiques traditional workshops, advocating for micro-engagements that nurture empathy and community. Snowden emphasizes the importance of agency and affordances in shaping change, warning against cultural homogenization. He champions narrative approaches to capture diverse experiences and encourages a focus on patterns rather than precision, making complexity accessible and engaging.

Dec 28, 2025 • 1h 7min
282. Mari Granström - green chemistry, creating supply chains and systemic transformation
Mari Granström (LI) founder and CEO of Origin by Ocean. We spoke of the chemicals industry and why it's so integral to everything that we do, how it can and probably will become a part of the solution going forward. We spoke of what it takes to actually recreate supply chains that are healthier where social , environmental and financial benefit are co-consequences. We also spoke of why single focus on carbon is detrimental for driving healthy change. This is a very hands on, conversation that highlights very tangible transformation of a supply chain and beyond. Enjoy!


