Adam Purvis (LI) of Dark Matter Labs and Jenny Grettve (LI) of EIT Culture and Creativity, artist and creative joined me for a roundtable conversation about institutions and their transformation. We spoke of power and what it takes to shift. Language - when the complexity serves us and when it gets in the way. We spoke of institutions, their development and the move away from care. We spoke of institutions as certainty artefacts and the fact that they will likely have to become learning artefacts. We spoke of the newly coined term Extetutions. Enjoy! And if you're curious to find out more about the talk that sparked the conversation you can find it here.