

GTM Science - A show for GTM and RevOps leaders
Union Square Consulting
To us, GTM is both an art and a science. We don't claim to be experts in the "art"—the marketing campaigns, sales messaging, and branding. We ARE experts in the "science"—GTM strategy, process design, growth planning, and RevOps. On GTM Science, we share what we've learned by solving these problems at scale for B2B recurring revenue businesses. We also bring you unfiltered conversations with CROs, private equity investors, and revenue leaders who’ve done it themselves.
No silver bullets. Just real talk about what works.
Learn more at unionsquareconsulting.com
No silver bullets. Just real talk about what works.
Learn more at unionsquareconsulting.com
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Jul 5, 2024 • 45min
Running a Pipeline Council to Maximize Pipeline Growth with Mallory Lee
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds chats with Mallory Lee, the new SVP of RevOps Strategy at Union Square Consulting. The discussion centers on the concept of Pipeline Councils and their role in maintaining an accurate, predictable pipeline in B2B SaaS companies.
Mallory provides a deep dive into what a Pipeline Council is, how to set one up, the importance of cross-functional alignment, and the tactical steps involved in running an effective meeting. The conversation also explores the critical differences between pipeline reviews and forecasting, and how to determine when a Pipeline Council is yielding positive results.
00:00 Introduction to RevOps Corner
00:28 Meet Mallory Lee: New SVP of RevOps Strategy
01:18 Diving into The Pipeline Council
02:48 Running an Effective Pipeline Council
04:47 Importance of Pipeline Council Meetings
06:18 Challenges and Insights from The Pipeline Council
08:48 Role of CRO and Other Executives in The Pipeline Council
17:01 Integrating Customer Success into The Pipeline Council
23:16 Maximizing Customer Value
24:08 The Renewal Strategy
26:10 When to Invest in a Pipeline Council
28:06 Challenges of Small Teams
31:05 Pipeline Review vs. Pipeline Council
34:24 Ensuring Effective Pipeline Management
38:37 Forecasting and The Pipeline Council
39:34 Measuring Success and Continuous Improvement
43:59 Resources and Further Learning
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Jun 28, 2024 • 49min
What a CFO Expects From RevOps with Ben Murray The SaaS CFO
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds chats with Ben Murray, The SaaS CFO, about the relationship between the CFO and Revenue Operations. They discuss Ben's journey becoming The SaaS CFO and explore critical topics such as forecasting, pipeline review processes, and what the CFO needs from RevOps.
The conversation also covers the complexities of calculating customer acquisition costs, revenue efficiency, and the importance of high-quality data in financial decision-making.
You can find Ben at TheSaaSCFO.com or reach out to ben@thesaascfo.com.
00:00 Introduction
00:54 Meet Ben Murray, The SaaS CFO
04:10 The Pipeline Review Process
05:55 Challenges in Pipeline Data Quality
09:48 When Should Companies Start Forecasting
12:17 The Importance of Accurate Forecasting
15:27 How Ben Does a Forecast
18:31 Annual Budgeting Process with Lead Flow
23:55 Analyzing Revenue Growth and Financial Metrics
25:32 Measuring Revenue Efficiency
29:06 The Costs of Customer Retention
35:56 Calculating Go-to-Market Efficiency
43:43 Importance of Lead Attribution in Marketing
48:54 Concluding Thoughts and Contact Information
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Jun 21, 2024 • 51min
Building a Repeatable Sales Motion with Liam Mulcahy
In this engaging discussion, Liam Mulcahy, a go-to expert at Kleiner Perkins, shares his journey from Sales Development Representative to a key figure in venture capital. He emphasizes the importance of first sales hires, strategic team building, and leveraging data-driven approaches for sales processes. Liam warns against the dangers of over-automation and highlights the value of understanding customer pain points. Expect insights into scaling sales teams effectively, embracing 'positive pessimism,' and ensuring your sales process evolves with your company.

Jun 14, 2024 • 24min
Outpacing Churn w/ Tom Boston on No Nonsense Sales
Eddie Reynolds, CEO of Union Square Consulting and a RevOps expert, shares insights on harnessing data for revenue growth and customer retention. He discusses lead conversion strategies, stressing the importance of defining Marketing Qualified Leads (MQLs) and nurturing less engaged contacts. Eddie highlights how reliable data drives business insights and promotes team adoption. He advocates for quality over quantity in sales outreach, emphasizing relationship-building with C-level executives. The conversation also touches on the importance of early process implementation and the motivating power of music in the workplace.

Jun 7, 2024 • 43min
The Relationship Between the CRO and RevOps with Tim Strickland and Scott Sutton
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds explores the relationship between the CRO and Revenue Operations with guests Tim Strickland and Scott Sutton. Tim, former CRO at ZoomInfo and now an advisory partner at Summit Partners, and Scott, former VP of RevOps at Zoominfo and now CEO at Later, discuss their collaborative experience at ZoomInfo. They discuss the structure and roles within their teams, detailing the split between strategic analytics and operational execution.
The discussion extends to the importance of data-driven decision-making, holding sales teams accountable, and the role of RevOps in creating an efficient revenue-generating "machine." They also touch on the challenges and strategies of scaling these operations in smaller companies.
00:00 Introduction
00:17 Meet the Guests: Tim Strickland and Scott Sutton
00:52 How Zoominfo Restructured RevOps
02:32 The Importance of Analytics and Strategy
05:40 RevOps as the Engine of Revenue Efficiency
17:03 Testing and Validating Hypotheses
27:45 Scaling RevOps in Smaller Organizations
32:33 Who Should RevOps Report To?
37:22 Leadership and Accountability in RevOps
42:41 Conclusion and How to Reach Tim and Scott
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May 31, 2024 • 50min
GTM Best Practices from Insight Partners with Jeremy Donovan
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds interviews Jeremy Donovan, EVP of RevOps and Strategy at Insight Partners. The conversation revolves the recent study from Insight Partners titled "Needles and Haystacks: Which Go-To-Market Practices Are Actually Best Practices".
Eddie and Jeremy go through the top 4 best practices in the study that correlated with the highest performing companies, including a very surprising 5th result. You'll learn about the significance of managing channel partner conflicts, the importance of setting revenue targets by lead source, the need for equitable sales territories, and the critical nature of sales and marketing alignment.
00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
01:04 Defining RevOps and Its Scope
04:50 Forecasting and Strategy in RevOps
08:52 The Study: Needles and Haystacks
12:30 Key Findings from the Study
13:40 The #1 GTM Practice Correlated with Top Performers
28:04 The Debate on Equitable Territories
29:02 Challenges with Account Distribution
30:56 Optimizing Territory Planning
34:00 #1 Sales Process, Mapping Stakeholders and Influencers
39:08 #2-4 Best Practices: Sales and Marketing Alignment
43:10 An Unexpected Result
49:31 Concluding Thoughts and Resources
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May 24, 2024 • 51min
Refine Labs' Attribution Measurement Framework with Megan Bowen
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds sits down with Megan Bowen, CEO at Refine Labs – one of the top marketing agencies for B2B SaaS scale ups.
You'll learn about:
Hybrid marketing attribution (blending the attribution between software and self-reporting)
Measuring the effectiveness of marketing all the way through to revenue
And breaking it down by each channel within marketing that contributes to that revenue
As well as the most common mistakes made in B2B SaaS marketing and how to fix them
Refine Labs has some exciting content updates coming soon with their product, The Vault, where you can get access to everything you need to know to implement their strategies at your own company. Be sure to check it out!
00:00 Introduction
01:03 Megan Bowen's Journey to CEO at Refine Labs
06:47 The Power of Hybrid Attribution in Marketing
17:49 Challenges and Insights on MQL Targets
22:45 Multi-Channel Attribution and Pipeline Sources
25:48 Exploring Marketing Attribution Models
26:41 Challenges in Measuring Marketing Impact
27:15 Sophisticated Attribution and Pipeline Models
29:03 Gathering Qualitative Feedback from Sales
31:31 Setting Effective Measurement Frameworks
38:59 Optimizing Response Times and Lead Quality
39:25 Strategies for Handling High-Volume Inbound Leads
41:00 Qualifying Leads and Enhancing Sales Processes
44:39 Evaluating and Adjusting Marketing Strategies
48:50 Closing Thoughts
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May 17, 2024 • 54min
How to Launch ABM with Andrei Zinkevich from Fullfunnel.io
In this episode of the RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds interviews Andrej Zinkevich, co-founder of Fullfunnel.io, on defining ABM, launching it efficiently with minimal resources, and avoiding common pitfalls. The discussion covers the importance of understanding the buying process, focusing on accounts likely to convert, and the role of marketing and sales collaboration in identifying and engaging target accounts.
You'll learn about detailed strategies for building and prioritizing an account list, conducting market research, and executing targeted marketing efforts. Additionally, the conversation highlights the feasibility of running ABM with lean teams, underscoring the necessity of a cohesive, holistic approach towards sales and marketing efforts.
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Defining ABM in 2024
04:47 Building Effective ABM Lists
12:57 Integrating ABM with Sales and Marketing
17:58 Pilot Programs: Starting Small with ABM
21:37 Creating Awareness Without Big Budgets
28:10 The Power of Account Research in Sales
29:55 The Art of Cold Calling
30:48 Inbound vs. Outbound
34:49 Account Selection and Prioritization Strategies
46:03 Executing Targeted Marketing with Limited Resources
50:30 The Dynamic Nature of Account-Based Marketing
53:04 Concluding Thoughts and How to Connect
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May 10, 2024 • 51min
The Death of the MQL with Renee Cohen
Join Renee Cohen, VP of Marketing at Norwest Venture Partners, as she discusses the evolution of lead generation in B2B SaaS companies, the death of the MQL, and the integration of inbound and outbound strategies. Key topics include account-based marketing, intent data, lead scoring practices, efficient lead routing, and creating target account lists for cold calling.

May 3, 2024 • 50min
Optimizing the Outbound Process with John Barrows
In this episode of The RevOps Corner, our host Eddie Reynolds sits down with none other than John Barrows, CEO of JB Sales and professional sales trainer to some of the biggest B2B brands in the world. John shares his methods for successful outbound, focusing on how to operationalize the outbound process for B2B SaaS companies in 2024.
This episode is filled with practical advice for sales operations professionals on building a process that targets the right prospects, at the right time, with well-structured messaging and personalization.
00:00 Introduction
00:56 How Outbound is Changing
07:08 Importance of the Learning Process
10:50 It Starts with the ICP
17:07 Segmenting Your Prospects
25:17 The Holy Grail of Prospecting
29:55 What Are Sales Triggers
38:27 The Optimal Outbound Process
41:43 Tailored,Targeted, and Templated Messaging
47:44 RevOps Role in Optimizing Outbound
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