

From What If to What Next
Rob Hopkins
If there was ever a time for fresh thinking, for being bold, for being visionary and imaginative – for reimagining everything – this is it. Each episode, writer and Transition Movement founder, Rob Hopkins, invites cutting edge thinkers to visualise a new future. Join us as we ask What If...
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Aug 21, 2023 • 50min
82 - What if we loved politicians?
Never let it be said on this podcast that we shy away from the big questions! I loved this conversation so much, it was one of those conversations that really opens up some expansive thinking and some new ways of looking at what might be possible. My guests are Lisa Witter, co-founder and board member of Apolitical, and CEO and co-founder of the Apolitical Foundation, and Graça Fonseca, former Portugese Minister for Culture and much more besides. My hope is that after listening to this conversation, you will be able to look at the deeply unloveable situation with many of our political leaders in 2023 and be able to say, with great confidence, "it doesn't have to be like this". I'd love to know what this conversation brings up for you, and thanks as always for listening, and for your support of this podcast.

Aug 14, 2023 • 45min
81 - What if we lived in a healthy human culture?
This week we are exploring how we do things, rather than what we do. We are diving into the concept of 'healthy human cultures' and how to build them. What would it mean if, in the organisations and movements we're part of, we set out to create the best conditions for a shared culture in which we thrive? Luckily we have two great people to help us unpick this one. Leila Hoballah is an organisation designer, a community builder, a facilitator and a coach, co-founder of makesense.org, one of the leaders of Boundless Roots, a collective action-inquiry investigating the enabling condition for radical changes in ways of living. She is also part of The Week. Sophy Banks was one of the architects of the Transition movement, founder of Transition training, who does a lot of work around grief tending, and exploring Healthy Human Culture, the culmination of her life's journey so far, which you can read more about here. Impossible to think of two better people to have this conversation with. Enjoy, and as always, do let me know what you think.

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Aug 7, 2023 • 48min
80 - In conversation with Otto Scharmer
Today's podcast was recorded live in Paris, in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower. As part of the wonderful ChangeNOW festival in the Grand Palais Ephémère I had the pleasure of sitting down with Otto Sharmer in the ChangeNOW podcast booth for an in depth conversation and journey into the future. Otto is the creator of the Theory U model of change, and spends much of his time teaching the model to groups around the world. The previous day he and I had both been speakers at the festival (you can see him here and me here). We also had a question from the audience from among those sitting outside the booth. My thanks to the organisers and to Otto for making this possible. I hope you enjoy it.

Jul 31, 2023 • 49min
79 - What if sports could accelerate the shift to a low carbon future?
You're in for a treat this week. I so enjoyed this conversation. In this episode I was joined by Laura Baldwin, British Olympic sailor, Transition and XR activist, and co-founder of Sport LOCAL for Life, and David Garrido, who is a sports broadcaster, initially on the BBC, and now on Sky, with a particular area of expertise in the crossover between sport and sustainability. How would it be if the world of sport became one of the key drivers for the great Transition that we so need to see? Stand by for the kind of passion, the never-say-die, fight-until-the-final-whistle, we're-all-in-this-together kind of spirit that you find at its very best with sports people. One of my favourite episodes so far.

May 29, 2023 • 54min
78 - What If biodiversity bounced back?
This week's podcast features Rebecca Wrigley, Chief Executive of Rewilding Britain, and Eduard Muller, an educator involved in Costa Rica's forest cover transformation. They discuss the potential bounceback of nature, thriving biodiversity examples, the impact on people's imagination, and Costa Rica's success story. Other topics include building a better system for biodiversity, resistance to change in agroforestry, soil health, the correlation between soil health, carbon capture, and biodiversity, shifting education to include learning from nature, and the need for a paradigm shift toward a sustainable relationship with nature.

May 16, 2023 • 45min
77 - In conversation with Mariame Kaba
We're back, and boy oh boy are you in for a treat. Since Episode One there were two guests I most wanted to have on this podcast. The first, adrienne maree brown, I was fortunate enough to speak to in Episode Fifty. The second I am sharing with you today. This time there's just one guest, and it is the brilliant prison abolition activist Mariame Kaba. I've admired her work, and her writing, for years now, and it was such a delight to spend 45 minutes in conversation with her. I'm not going to say anything more, other than that I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

May 1, 2023 • 1h 12min
76 - What If cutting our individual carbon use went viral?
Recent research, entitled The Future of Consumption in an 1.5°C World, carried out by the University of Leeds, C40 Cities and Arup, powerfully shows that the world's comfortably off need to do the most to reduce the world's carbon emissions and need to reduce the impacts of their consumption by two thirds by 2030. But this will only happen if it feels like a move towards something rather than being dragged away from something irreplaceable, if it feels thrilling, like something that spreads and becomes contagious. And, perhaps most importantly, if everyone can see that it is improving, rather than impoverishing, peoples' lives and experience. So what might a real push to support people in reducing their individual and household carbon emissions look like? My two guests this week are Dr. Vanessa Timmer, Executive Director of OneEarth Living, a Vancouver-based nonprofit 'think and do tank' advancing sustainable everyday living around the world, and Tom Bailey, one of the co-creators of Take the Jump, a new and fast growing grassroots climate movement. As you'll hear, they have both been giving this a lot of thought.

Apr 24, 2023 • 1h
75 - What if we distributed power differently in our organisations?
This was such a beautiful conversation to be part of, with two old friends, and a story that I play at least a small role in. In 2015, Transition Network, an organisation I had co-founded, undertook a transition of its own, from a pretty conventional management model to a non-hierarchical structure that distributed power, using Holocracy. We had to learn how to do it, and were brilliantly supported by Université du Nous, who support and advise organisations on how to do this. For this episode of FWIWN I am joined by Sarah McAdam, one of the key people in Transition Network who made this happen and who now supports other organisations in making such shifts, and Guillaume Dorvaux, one of UDN's trainers who trained the team.

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Apr 17, 2023 • 58min
74 - What if we decolonised economics?
Prof. Sunny Singh, a writer and activist championing decolonisation, and Nonhlanhla Makuyana, a community organiser and artist, dive deep into the transformative potential of a decolonised economic system. They envision a vibrant 2030 filled with sustainability and cultural joy. The conversation tackles the lasting impacts of colonialism on today's economy, advocating for wealth redistribution through tax policy and highlighting grassroots alternatives like saving circles. Their insights push the boundaries of imagination, urging a revaluation of societal worth beyond profit.

Apr 10, 2023 • 43min
73 - What if education took place in nature?
If you were one of those kids in school who stared out of the window most of the time, this episode is for you. I'm joined by Kwesia X, aka City Girl in Nature (check out her many amazing videos), and by Ben Rawlence, author of three books, most recently The Treeline and founder and director of Black Mountains College. It's a beautiful and thought-provoking conversation. Just how different could our education system be, and how would the imagination flourish if we made those changes? Classrooms? So last year.


