Paul VanderKlay's Podcast

Paul Vander Klay
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Mar 11, 2026 • 1h 20min

Jonathan Pageau Tries to Provoke a Copernican Revolution on Kindly Atheist

Justin Brierley, interviewer and moderator known for thoughtful dialogues. Jonathan Pageau, Orthodox icon carver and public intellectual who explores symbolism and patterns. They discuss symbolism vs materialism. They explore patterns, vertical causality, how rituals and icons form meaning, and whether institutions can act as transpersonal agents.
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Mar 11, 2026 • 43min

How Rock and Roll Sold the Rebel Sell so the Real Rebel today wears Robes and venerates Icons

A cultural tour of how rock created a sold-out image of rebellion and how modern rebels now seek ancient liturgies and icons. Conversations link Elvis, the Rolling Stones and Beatles-era marketing to mass movements and spiritual shifts. Music is shown as the emotional engine behind social change and megachurch growth rather than sermons.
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Mar 10, 2026 • 59min

Islamic and Secular Common Religion in Evaluating Where to Live

A wide-ranging look at how religious traditions shape where people choose to live and how societies function. Discussions cover Islamic law's societal effects, contrasts in dress and women's expression, and the legacy of Western colonialism. There are reflections on refugees, Iranian history and culture, and the idea of a shared 'common religion' that links victory, loss, and social order.
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Mar 9, 2026 • 53min

Can Mystical Religion and Liberal Democracy Coexist? Tom Holland, Nick Cave, Islam

A wide-ranging conversation about whether vivid, mystical religion can coexist with liberal democratic norms. They tour the Christian roots of Western freedoms, worries about deracination, and debates over Islam, law, and human rights. Music, 1960s culture, and the role of public ritual also feature as forces that reshape belief and civic life.
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Mar 7, 2026 • 20min

How Reliable Were/Are Jesus' Friends

A lively retelling of the arrest in Gethsemane and the surprising roles of Judas and Peter. A look at Jesus' nonviolent mission contrasted with typical messianic expectations. Discussion of Gospel differences and the influence of priests like Annas and Caiaphas. A closing question about how reliable the early followers really were.
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Mar 7, 2026 • 2h 50min

We Who Wrestle with Church, Job Edition

A wide-ranging conversation about moving from atheism to religious experience and finding a theological home. They trace struggles leading a local church and mistakes made trying to attract youth. There's deep appreciation for Reformed liturgy, old theologians, and practices that shape family faith. Listeners hear about hybrid prayer habits, workplace pastoral care, and navigating family estrangement.
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Mar 5, 2026 • 48min

The Convenient but False Division of our World into Religious and Secular is Ending

Kevin Flatt, historian who studies secularization and the history of religion. He and the host challenge the neat religious versus secular split and the assumptions behind secularization theory. They probe how politics, institutions, and lived belief blur that divide. They trace American restorationist impulses and debate why the subtraction story of religion endures.
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Mar 4, 2026 • 1h 35min

Martin Shaw's Liturgies of the Wild

Martin Shaw, author and storyteller who explores myth, faith, and contemporary culture. He discusses his book Liturgies of the Wild and how long-form storytelling reawakens wonder. They talk tour stories, the pastoral life behind the writing, England’s sacred landscapes, and reclaiming discarded myths for modern imagination.
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Mar 3, 2026 • 59min

"Religion" Does Not Mean What You Think It Means

Kevin Flatt, scholar of religion and secularization studies, explores why the modern label "religion" misleads. He traces how early Islam and other traditions functioned as political-legal or sacral orders. He critiques social science assumptions and proposes "sacred social order" to rethink how cultures organize meaning and authority across history.
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Mar 2, 2026 • 1h 9min

O'Connor/Scrivener about Xian Reputation in the West. Law, Morality, and Changeability

A deep dive into debates about Christian reputation and its role in Western law and morality. They untangle historical, philosophical, and apologetic threads. Conversations touch on pragmatism in church attendance, civilizational arguments for Christianity, and how reputation and legal traditions shape moral life.

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