Industry Relations
Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.
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Apr 1, 2026 • 57min
Previews, Portals, and the Shift in Listing Control
The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player! Overview Rob and Greg revisit the fallout from their conversation with Andy, focusing on the rapid shift toward "coming soon" and preview listings across major portals. Zillow's move into previews—alongside Redfin and Homes.com—signals a broader industry change in how listings are marketed and distributed. The discussion centers on whether Zillow truly "changed," what this means for MLS control, and how the definition of being "on the market" is evolving. The episode also explores whether the industry can move past moral arguments and accept these changes as business decisions. Key Takeaways Zillow's move into previews Zillow entering "coming soon" listings is framed as solving a distribution problem rather than a full strategic reversal. Signals frustration with slow-moving MLS rules and lack of standardization. Shift from moral debate to business reality Industry discussion may move away from "consumer harm" arguments toward competitive strategy and market positioning. All players (Zillow, Redfin, Compass) are acting in their own business interests. Fragmentation vs. consumer behavior Concern about a "streaming wars" future where buyers check multiple platforms. In practice, buyers may already be using several apps simultaneously. Branding matters Zillow's "Previews" is positioned as a clear, consumer-friendly product. Competing offerings are less clearly defined or branded. MLS pressure and listing input risk Portals accepting direct listing input (outside MLS) is a major long-term threat to MLS control. Changing definition of "on market" Debate over whether "on market" means: In the MLS Under a listing agreement Visible on portals like Zillow Indicates a broader shift in how the industry conceptualizes market exposure. Impact on brokerage strategies Exclusive vs. non-exclusive distribution (e.g., Compass vs. eXp) may influence listing pitches. Market will determine whether sellers value broader distribution or platform-specific exposure. Connect with Rob and Greg Rob's Website Greg's Website Watch us on YouTube Our Sponsors: Cotality Notorious VIP The Giant Steps Job Board Production and Editing Services by Sunbound Studios
Mar 25, 2026 • 1h 6min
Begun the pre-marketing wars have
Andy Woolley, VP of Industry at Homes.com and listing distribution veteran, explains the surge in pre-marketing and brokerage feed strategies. The conversation covers the rise of coming-soon listings, how broker-portal deals fragment distribution, Homes.com’s push for brokerage feeds, and whether MLSs remain cooperatives or become lead-driven platforms.
Mar 18, 2026 • 43min
Hanna List, Compass, and the Consolidation Question
They debate whether private listing strategies like the Hanna List signal wider consolidation or are unique to dominant firms. They explore Compass’s acquisition moves and whether scale and exclusive inventory can reshape recruiting and competition. They discuss whether boutique brokers can stay competitive and how execution, consumer demand, and regulation could determine outcomes.
Mar 11, 2026 • 1h
Inside the NAR Influencer Summit
Two industry insiders report from a major real estate summit in Chicago. They discuss leadership changes and significant staff cuts. They debate whether structural governance issues or short-term fixes define the organization’s future. They explore tensions around MLS dependence and whether members would pay for services if ties were loosened.
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Mar 4, 2026 • 57min
Compass, Redfin and an Uncertain Future
A deep dive into a new Compass–Redfin deal that hides listing history and could normalize private or exclusive listings. A debate about how shifting portal alliances might reshape MLS power and broker strategies. A wider look at AI stepping into home search and what big tech disruption could mean for real estate jobs and housing markets.
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Feb 25, 2026 • 59min
MLS Independence, AI and talking to portals.
A lively debate about MLS independence and why smaller organizations may struggle with legal and financial risks. A close look at slow consolidation, fraud vulnerabilities, and the fate of tiny local boards. A hands-on reaction to Homes.com’s new voice AI and a wider conversation on AI costs, infrastructure, and how agents will demand MLS data for personal AI tools.
Feb 18, 2026 • 1h 3min
Can the MLS Keep Up with AI?
They recap MLS Reset and why AI dominated every conversation. They debate whether MLS governance and ownership structures can move fast enough. They explore how AI might automate MLS roles, reshape vendors, and create solo-entrepreneur opportunities. They question data control, local model options, and whether traditional industry speed can survive rapid AI change.
Feb 12, 2026 • 1h
Zillow's win sends Compass spinning
A courtroom ruling reshapes the battle over exclusive listing rules and what that means for major broker strategies. Recap of Inman highlights, executive reactions, and buzzy vendor pitches. Lively debate about AI in real estate with cautious optimism. Exploration of how MLS policies, multi‑homing, and strategic pivots could shift the industry landscape.
Jan 28, 2026 • 1h 16min
Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Jack Miller, President & CEO of T3 Sixty and author of industry reports like the SP200, explains changes to rankings and how they now weigh future impact. He digs into brokerage business models and agent economics. Jack explores MLS pressures as private and delayed listings grow, consolidation drivers, and how portals like Zillow and CoStar are reshaping industry dynamics.
Jan 21, 2026 • 56min
Can You Regulate "Public Marketing"?
They reflect on a major industry leader’s retirement and what made his approach memorable. They dig into new state laws trying to force public marketing of listings and whether vague wording creates loopholes. The conversation explores tensions between MLS rules, modern marketing practices, and how regulation might push data into private networks.


