

OrgDev with Distinction
Dani Bacon and Garin Rouch
The Org Dev podcast is all about Organisational Development, a practice that has the power to transform organisations, shape cultures, and empower individuals. Yet, it's often shrouded in mystery and misunderstood. But fear not, because on this podcast, we pull back the curtain to reveal the inner workings of Organisation Development. We demystify the concepts, unravel the strategies, and delve into the real-life experiences of professionals who are driving real and significant change and innovation within organisations.
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Mar 26, 2026 • 59min
The Real Reason Strategy Fails
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Why do leadership teams say the future matters - and then fail to make time for it?This episode examines a common pattern inside organisations: strong strategies, but limited execution. We explore how top teams prioritise, make decisions, and enable strategic change, and why leadership effectiveness is often constrained not by capability, but by how time, attention, and work are structured.Here are the links to Stefan’s latest editorials:Why strategy fails – the five tensions future-ready executive teams learn to steward: https://www.hultashridge.com/en/insights/article/strategy-and-transformation/Your executive team doesn’t have a strategy problem – they have a time problem: https://www.hultashridge.com/en/insights/article/faculty-column-transformation/Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

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Mar 13, 2026 • 1h 13min
Leadership in Complex Systems with Dr Jean Boulton - OrgDev Episode 96
Dr Jean Boulton, a theoretical physicist turned complexity scholar and strategy practitioner, joins to explore how complexity science reframes strategy, power and change. Short takes cover why traditional strategy fails in messy systems. Topics include patterning and history, sensing context before acting, balancing structure and improvisation, and designing organisations that scale adaptively.

Feb 27, 2026 • 1h
Is Your HR Operating Model Set Up to Win ? with Perry Timms - OrgDev Episode 95
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Why has HR’s operating model barely changed in 25 years – while everything around it has?In this episode of the OrgDev Podcast, we speak with Perry Timms about the uncomfortable truth at the heart of modern HR: we’ve spent decades optimising processes instead of redesigning how HR actually works.As organisations evolve at pace – driven by digital transformation, new workforce expectations, agility, and shifting power dynamics – many HR functions are still operating with models built for a different era. Perry argues that incremental improvement is no longer enough. What’s required is a fundamental rethink of HR’s operating model, its role in organisation design, and its contribution to business value and societal impact.We explore:Why traditional HR structures struggle to support adaptive organisationsThe limits of efficiency thinking in transformation workSelf-managed and freedom-centred work systemsThe future of HR operating modelsWhat “Better Business for a Better World” really means in practiceWish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Feb 24, 2026 • 1h 11min
Clear Leadership, Real change with Gervase Bushe - OrgDev Episode 94
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What if organisations can’t be engineered into better performance — only invited into change?We’re joined by Gervase Bushe, one of the most influential contemporary thinkers in Organisation Development and a leading voice in dialogic OD.For decades, many change efforts have assumed that if we design the right structure, define the right process and implement the right plan, performance will follow. Bushe’s work challenges that assumption. Drawing on his research into dialogic Organisation Development, Clear Leadership and complexity-informed change, he argues that transformation emerges through conversations, shared meaning and shifts in collective attention.We explore what this means for organisational culture, leadership in complex environments, and the future of OD practice. For HR leaders, OD practitioners and senior executives navigating uncertainty, this conversation offers a grounded and practical lens on how meaningful change actually happens.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Feb 19, 2026 • 43min
Design Your Organisation for an AI Driven Future - Omar Morales Microsoft - OrgDev Episode 93
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!What does organisation development look like when AI, complexity and constant transformation become the norm rather than the exception?In this episode of the OrgDev Podcast, we’re joined by Omar Morales, Head of Organisation Development at Microsoft, to explore how organisations design for adaptability, leadership resilience, and sustained performance in fast-moving environments. Drawing on nearly two decades of global experience across organisation development, HR strategy and transformation, Omar shares practical insight on operating model design, leadership team effectiveness, systems thinking, and building OD capability at scale.If you’re working in organisation development, HR, leadership, or organisational transformation - particularly in the context of AI and evolving business models - this conversation offers grounded perspectives on how to translate strategy into action while keeping people, performance and organisational effectiveness connected.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

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Feb 13, 2026 • 48min
Understanding Complexity with Dave Snowden - OrgDev Episode 92
Dave Snowden, founder of The Cynefin Company and creator of the Cynefin framework, unpacks complexity, distributed knowledge and organisational decision-making. He explores safe-to-fail probes, coherence testing and estuarine mapping. Conversations cover epistemic justice, AI risks, role-based adaptive structures and methods to surface weak signals and emergent behaviour in organisations.

Jan 23, 2026 • 1h 8min
Essential Guide to High Growth and Strategy with Rupert Morrison - OrgDev Epsiode 91
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Strategy is one of the most overused words in organisational life – and one of the least well understood. In this conversation with Rupert Morrison, we explore what strategy actually means, who really owns it, and why so many organisations struggle not with ambition, but with focus. We talk about why strategies so often turn into shopping lists, why prioritisation is harder than it looks, and how pace, culture, and execution collide once a strategy meets the real world. It’s a practical, grounded discussion about making strategy simpler, sharper, and genuinely useful – without pretending the work itself is simple.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jan 16, 2026 • 55min
Stop Educating Start Learning - The Secret to Performance with Nick Shackleton-Jones OrgDev Episode 90
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!This week on the OrgDev Podcast we’re joined by the brilliantly provocative Nick Shackleton-Jones, a guest who never fails to challenge how organisations think about learning. Nick brings energy, clarity and a healthy dose of disruption as he unpicks why so much workplace learning fails to change behaviour and what actually works instead. He shares a rallying cry of resources not courses along with stories about simulations and onboarding that genuinely sets people up to succeed.This is a lively, thought-provoking conversation packed with practical insights. If you’ve ever felt frustrated by tick-box training, overloaded programmes or learning that looks good on paper but goes nowhere in practice, this episode will give you plenty to reflect on and experiment with.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jan 15, 2026 • 31min
Organisation Development Pro Tips for Improving Performance - Part 2 - OrgDev Episode 89
We'd love to hear from you so send us a message!Top tips from leading Organisation Development and Design ExpertsThis is part 2 of a special highlights episode. This year has been a big one for us.We recorded 44 episodes, and the podcast reached listeners in 109 countries.Our guests joined us from as far afield as California, Spain and Australia – as well as Austria, the Netherlands and Sweden, and together we covered a broad spectrum of practice – from neuroscience and psychological safety, to systems thinking, agility, self-organising teams, imposter syndrome, and organisation design.What we’ve pulled together here is a curated set of highlights from those conversations.Wish you had a handy recap of the episode? So did we.That’s why each week in our Next Step to Better newsletter, we’re sharing From Pod to Practice – a 2-page visual summary of each episode designed to help you take the learning from the podcast and into your work.You’ll get: ■ Key insights from the episode ■ A reflection prompt ■ A suggested actionSign up now to get From Pod to Practice delivered to your inbox each week: https://distinction.live/keep-in-touch/About UsWe’re Dani and Garin – Organisation Development (OD) practitioners who help leaders and people professionals tackle the messiness of organisational life. We focus on building leadership capability, strengthening team effectiveness, and designing practical, systemic development programmes that help you deliver on your team and organisational goals. We also offer coaching to support individual growth and change.Find out more at www.distinction.live We'd love to connect with you on Linked In:linkedin.com/in/danibacon478https://www.linkedin.com/in/garinrouch

Jan 9, 2026 • 36min
Organisation Development Pro Tips for Improving Performance - Part 1 - OrgDev Episode 88
This highlights episode dives into the evolving role of HR, emphasizing market success over traditional tasks. A guest stresses the importance of CEO involvement in shaping company culture. The 'great rejection' phenomenon links mismatched recruitment promises with high turnover rates. Proactive coaching for leaders encourages open discussions, while building psychological safety starts with self-awareness. The shift towards meaningful work is highlighted, along with the risks of AI bias in decision-making. Insightful tips on emotional awareness in teams round out this engaging discussion.


