

DePINed podcast
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DePINed is a podcast focused on the ecosystem of decentralized physical networks. DePIN companies and protocols crowdsource infrastructure such as WiFi hot spots, computer servers and even cars and, using crypto incentives, create cohesive, global networks from thousands of different providers. This podcast explores all of the use cases launching in this sector as well as the key players in financing and explaining this growing sector which will reshape a broad array of industries. Hosted by Tom Trowbridge, co-founder of Fluence, previously co-founder and president at Hedera Hashgraph.
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Jun 26, 2025 • 52min
How NodeOps Powers 67,000+ Nodes & $6M in DePIN Revenue | Naman Kabra, NodeOps (#59)
In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge talks to Naman Kabra, co-founder & CEO of NodeOps — a rapidly growing DePIN platform offering a full-stack suite for decentralized compute orchestration.From one-click node deployment to a fully operational cloud, security hub, and staking tools — NodeOps is redefining how developers, node operators, and compute providers interact.🎙️ In this conversation:- How NodeOps scaled from $0 to 7-figure revenue in under a year- The economics of third-party node provisioning- Dynamic mint-and-burn tokenomics explained- The roadmap to permissionless compute and verifiable infrastructure- Building revenue-first in Web3 — without touching treasury🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Jun 19, 2025 • 56min
Building the Real-World Metaverse: How to Scale 3D Mapping | Diego Di Tommaso, OVER (#58)
Diego Di Tommaso, co-founder and COO of Over, dives into the fascinating world of decentralized 3D mapping for AR. He reveals how Over has mapped over 128,000 locations with remarkable precision, emphasizing the crucial role of 3D maps in anchoring AR to the physical world. Diego discusses innovative tokenomics for mapping incentives, potential enterprise revenue streams, and the future implications of smart glasses for Web3 AR. He also highlights collaboration with networks like Hivemapper, and addresses privacy issues in the evolving landscape of immersive technology.

Jun 12, 2025 • 1h 6min
Building for the Future of Decentralized Storage and Compute | Sam Williams, Arweave (#57)
In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Sam Williams, co-founder & CEO of Arweave, to unpack the economics, technology, and vision behind decentralized permanent storage and compute.Discover:- How Arweave achieves near-perpetual storage using an endowment model that beats AWS costs over time- The tokenomics that underpin Arweave’s long-term sustainability and value capture- Why Arweave’s system is inherently trustless, ensuring data integrity without centralized control- How Arweave’s unique model incentivizes miners to keep costs low while locking up tokens in long-term endowments- The relationship between Arweave and AO, its decentralized compute platform, and why AI workloads are driving massive growth- How Arweave competes with traditional cloud providers by delivering a more resilient and cost-effective solution🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Jun 5, 2025 • 39min
The DePIN Storage Layer Powering AI & Media Workloads | Colby Winegar, Storj (#56)
In this episode of the #DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge speaks with Colby Winegar, CEO of Storj, a decentralized cloud storage protocol with nearly a decade of evolution behind it.We cover how Storj is bridging the gap between traditional cloud performance and decentralized architecture — through measurable value for real customers across AI, media, healthcare and academia🧠 In this episode:– How Storj achieves up to 80% lower storage and egress costs than AWS– Why some customers report Storj is 2–3x faster than Amazon for global data access– The economics behind fixed-price storage across 20,000+ decentralized nodes– How the protocol handles operator payments in token, with a roadmap toward market-driven token demand– Challenges in go-to-market, vertical focus, and customer education in the DePIN spaceListen now for an in-depth look at the real-world mechanics, tradeoffs, and opportunities behind decentralized storage at scale🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 29, 2025 • 50min
Decentralized RPC, Real Revenue & LLM Access | Arthur Sabintsev: POKT Network (#55)
🎙️ In this episode of the DePINedPodcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Arthur Sabintsev, CEO of POKT, one of the earliest DePIN projects and a cornerstone of decentralized infrastructure since 2019.What started as a decentralized gateway to blockchain data has now expanded far beyond crypto: Pocket is evolving into a generalized data transport layer.Watch to learn:- How Pocket provides decentralized, censorship-resistant access to 60+ blockchains and open networks- What it takes to run high-performance infrastructure in a DePIN protocol- Why most Pocket nodes are now hosted in professional data centers- The role of RPC gateways and sovereign access providers in Pocket’s new architecture- How Grove (the team behind Pocket) thinks about pricing, competition, and revenueThis episode dives deep into the architecture, economics, and strategy behind one of the longest-running DePIN protocols — and why the future of infrastructure might belong to agents, not users.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 22, 2025 • 28min
Decentralized Storage, Real Revenue & the Rise of Subnets | Juan Benet: Filecoin (#54)
Juan Benet, the inventor of IPFS and founder of Protocol Labs, delves into the evolution of Filecoin beyond just storage. He discusses the advent of subnets and a Filecoin-backed stablecoin that enhances decentralized finance. The conversation covers how emerging markets can drive growth in Decentralized Physical Infrastructure Networks and offers insights into navigating challenges in a bear market. Benet also shares tactical advice on adapting decentralized storage productization to meet diverse needs, from small developers to large projects.

May 15, 2025 • 47min
Web3 Hot Storage That Actually Works for Enterprises | Stefaan Vervaet: Akave (#53)
In this episode of the #DePINed Podcast, Tom Trowbridge sits down with Stefaan Vervaet, founder of Akave, to explore how decentralized storage is finally enterprise-ready.Born out of Protocol Labs, Akave combines S3 compatibility, high durability, and on-chain verifiability — offering a real alternative to AWS, Glacier, and traditional storage models. Stefaan shares insights from his $355M+ startup exits and dives deep into why data egress costs are the next big pain point, how AI workloads are driving demand, and how Akave plans to scale toward $100M+ ARR with real enterprise contracts.🧠 In this episode, we cover:- Why enterprises are fed up with egress fees- How Agave integrates with Filecoin, Snowflake and AI pipelines- The power of verifiable, decentralized hot storage- Akave’s unique subnet model and revenue-first approach- Token incentives, staking, slashing and enterprise-grade SLAs- Lessons from building $355M in storage startupsHot storage, snowflake integrations, DePIN-native token economics — this episode is packed with real-world traction, use cases, and strategy.🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

May 8, 2025 • 51min
Startup Turns Phones into a Decentralized Compute Network | Alessandro De Carli: Acurast (#52)
What If Your Old Phone Could Power the Next AI Model?In this episode of the DePINed podcast, host Tom Trowbridge speaks with Alessandro De Carli, co-founder of Acurast — a decentralized confidential compute network built entirely on mobile devices. Alessandro shares his journey from mobile security at Credit Suisse to launching Acurast, and explains why smartphones are underutilized powerhouses perfect for distributed computation. They dive into topics like trusted execution environments (TEEs), real-world DePIN use cases, token economics and why mobile-first infrastructure could rival hyperscalers like AWS.In this episode, we cover:- Why mobile phones are the future of decentralized compute- How Acurast transforms smartphones into secure compute nodes- Trusted Execution Environments (TEE) explained- The role of token economics in scaling decentralized infrastructure- Why hyperscalers like AWS should pay attention to mobile-first networksWhether you’re into Web3, edge computing or the future of AI infrastructure — this episode is not to be missed 🚀🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution. Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 24, 2025 • 45min
Decentralizing HD Maps for Autonomous Vehicles & AI | Guang Ling: Rovr Network (#51)
Is DePIN the key to scaling real-time 3D mapping for AI & AVs?In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Guang Ling, founder of Rovr Network, to explore how crowdsourced 3D data and LiDAR-powered devices could unlock a new layer of spatial intelligence for the real world🧠 The project uses both smartphone-based setups and professional-grade LiDAR rigs — with ambitious plans to collect 100M+ kilometers of street-level data and offer weekly refresh rates at a fraction of the cost of traditional HD maps.In this episode, we cover:- Why HD maps are critical for autonomous driving & AI- Rovr’s dual-hardware strategy (TX & LC devices)- Cutting map costs by 80% with better refresh rates- Token economics, point system, and plans for TGE- Real market insights from a LIDAR and telecom expert- Building toward millions in revenue and Tier 1 clients- The future of spatial AI and 3D training datasetsWhether you’re into DePIN, AI or geospatial tech, this episode is a must-listen 🚀Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍

Apr 17, 2025 • 48min
Cyber-Resilient Storage and Real Yield: Protocol Deep Dive | Patrick Dunlop: Jackal Labs (#50)
Can decentralized storage compete with enterprise-grade SLAs? 🧠 In this episode of The DePINed Podcast, we sit down with Patrick Dunlop, co-founder of Jackal Protocol, to explore what it takes to build a decentralized storage network that’s fast, secure, and enterprise-readyWhile most DePINs race for cheaper infrastructure, Jackal is doing something different: delivering cyber-resilient, hot storage with on-chain SLAs. Designed for both individuals and enterprises, Jackal provides encrypted storage with auto-healing, multi-node redundancy, and privacy baked into the protocol🌐 With over 1,000 users and growing, Patrick shares how Jackal is moving beyond speculation and toward real yield by targeting B2B use cases, onboarding clients through enterprise sales, and offering competitive storage solutions that can rival centralized giantsIn this episode, we cover:- The mechanics behind Jackal’s auto-healing and SLA guarantees- Why decentralized storage must evolve beyond the Web3 dev niche- What sets Jackal apart from Filecoin, Arweave, and others- The shift from inflationary tokenomics to real demand-driven yield- How Jackal plans to scale toward $100M+ revenue- Where decentralization and cybersecurity meet in storage- Patrick’s journey from digital forensics to building mission-critical infrastructure🎙️ Don’t miss this deep dive into the DePIN revolution! Subscribe now to explore how decentralized networks are transforming industries worldwide! 🌍


