

Stacking Growth | The B2B Marketing Podcast
Refine Labs
Hosted by Refine Labs, this podcasts is for marketers, by marketers.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
Whether you're new or seasoned , we want to help you refine your strategies, find meaningful takeaways, and hear real, honest stories of marketers who've been able to make waves for the industry. Combining purposeful tactics and strategies across multiple areas is what it means to Stack Growth - let's help build each other up.
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Oct 15, 2022 • 41min
S2 E53 - Using Customer Research to Power Your Go-To-Market Strategy | Dave Rigotti
Listening to customers to continuously improve your product is key for any company. But it's a step that many new SaaS founders skip in the initial stages of their go-to-market. Often, a founder will discover a gap in the market and go straight into building the product. In this episode, Sidney talks to Dave Rigotti, Co-founder, and CEO at Inflection.io. Dave has put on a masterclass in using extensive customer research to build the product. In addition to conducting hundreds of customer interviews, Dave dives into how they use community to continuously innovate and ensure the product is built 100% to customer needs.
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Oct 13, 2022 • 55min
S2 E52 - Pipeline Velocity Deep Dive | Stacking Growth Live
Pipeline Velocity is an often confused, misunderstood metric. Every time we bring it up we get several questions. That's why we wanted to dedicate an episode of Stacking Growth Live entirely to the subject and:
- How to Calculate Pipeline Velocity
- How to visualize that data
- Why it's important
- When to use it
- And more
This was a live presentation that included slides. If you'd like to see those slides, you can view them here.
You can also watch the full presentation with the slide deck on YouTube, here.

Oct 11, 2022 • 39min
S2 E51 - How to Build Out Your ICP: Creating an Ideal Customer Profile That Goes Beyond the Obvious
The Stacking Growth Podcast aims to answer real questions that our audience is having trouble with. That's why we took a poll of our LinkedIn audience to see what problems they were facing coming into Q4. One of the recurring questions that we saw come up had to do with how to create an ICP (Ideal Customer Profile). What's is the right way to do it? Is there a wrong way? How can we go deeper than target firmographics and job titles? These are all questions that Tory and Allison are answering in today's episode.
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Oct 8, 2022 • 29min
S2 E50 - You've Heard About Creating Demand, Let's Talk About Damming Demand
If you've been following Refine Labs for any period of time, you know we like to categorize demand into two main buckets, capturing and creating. But there is a third bucket that we don't talk about quite as much called damming demand. In a nutshell, damming demand is taking existing demand for a product or category and redirecting it over to yours. In this episode, Tory and Garret talk about what damming demand is, when it should be used, and how you can effectively start a program to do it.
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Oct 6, 2022 • 36min
S2 E49 - $1,000 Says You Can’t Show Me a Profitable Lead Gen Program - Carl Ferreira
If you scroll through LinkedIn for a few days you would think that everyone is running demand gen and lead gen is a thing of the past—it's not. We've talked to several hundred companies this year and 99% are still running lead gen. An entire generation of marketers believes that an email address is the most important thing you can get from your audience. It’s why we see gated ebooks and reports as the primary content source for entire companies. But why are so many companies still doing this? It's not an effective go-to-market strategy and sales teams can get the same leads (and more) cheaper using tools like Zoominfo and Cognism.
The end goal of marketing is to drive high-quality hand raisers that WANT to talk to sales. And that is exactly what Carl and Cassidy are going to talk about in this episode.
In fact, as the title alludes to, Carl is putting his money where his mouth is if you can prove (with data) that you're running a profitable lead gen strategy that wouldn't be better served being allocated elsewhere.
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Oct 4, 2022 • 28min
S2 E48 - You Launched Your New Demand Strategy, Now What?
You pitched leadership, finally got buy-in, and just launched your program; now what? It's inevitable that you get questioned on the effectiveness of your new strategy early on, but creating demand takes time. So what are some early metrics and KPIs that you can report on to show leadership that it's working? In this episode, Ashley and Evan go through some of the early metrics that they report on with clients to do just that.
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Sep 29, 2022 • 60min
S2 E47 - Finishing Off the Year Strong | Stacking Growth Live AMA
We get a lot of questions from customers and community members this time of year on how to finish the year off strong and plan to have a successful Q1.
"What are some of the biggest mistakes you see marketing teams make as the fiscal year wraps up?"
"Are there any frameworks you use to build a marketing plan?"
"Where are you allocating your budget moving into 2023 and where do you think the biggest dividends will be paid in the year ahead?"
Q3 is coming to an end, and as you approach Q4 planning season, these are all important answers that need to be answered. Luckily, we have a little experience helping companies finish off the year strong and planning for 2023, and that's what we're doing in this episode. In addition to these questions, we also took live questions from the audience about 2023 planning, lessons learned in 2022, and more.

Sep 27, 2022 • 31min
S2 E46 - Good Marketing Takes Time
On today's Stacking Growth, Refine Labs' very own Sam Kuehnle and Sidney Waterfall breakdown an intriguing question sent in by a listener: "How do you deal with the paradox of wanting immediate results but needing to preach patience to your executive team?" From setting expectations to finding the right customer insights... believe it or not, good marketing takes time.
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Sep 24, 2022 • 47min
S2 E45 - Growing Your Business Through Customer Conversations
At this point you all know our stance on talking to customers and extracting insights through those conversations. But some of the common questions we still get all the time are:
"what is the best way to conduct a customer interview?"
"What questions should I ask?"
"How do I take insights gleaned from a customer interview and inject them into my marketing strategy?"
In this episode, Tory and Matt talk with Michael Ashford, Director of Marketing at The Receptionist, about how they were able to achieve exponential growth without an outbound sales team by creating a demand strategy around the insights they learned from talking with customers regularly.
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Sep 22, 2022 • 32min
S2 E44 - Annual Demand Planning: A Framework
It's that time of year—leaves are changing, football is back, and it's time for ANNUAL PLANNING! It's time to look back at the previous year, figure out what's been working and start to think about the campaigns and revenue targets for 2023.
In this episode, Tory and Allison go through the framework they use with clients for year-end demand planning.
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