

BiggerPockets Money Podcast
BiggerPockets
Intermediate to advanced personal finance strategies for people serious about the FIRE (financial independence retire early) movement—not just dreaming about it.
Tune in on Tuesdays and Fridays for new BiggerPockets Money episodes with your hosts, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench! Or visit BiggerPocketsMoney.com with additional resources.
Tune in on Tuesdays and Fridays for new BiggerPockets Money episodes with your hosts, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench! Or visit BiggerPocketsMoney.com with additional resources.
Episodes
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Oct 7, 2019 • 59min
93: Financial Mistakes and How to Avoid Them with Scott & Mindy
Financial mistakes can have a HUGE impact on your future retirement savings - the opportunity costs can be enormous!In this episode, Scott and Mindy discuss some of the biggest mistakes you can make financially, and ways to avoid them so you can give yourself the highest potential for financial independence.Mindy and Scott move past previously discussed mistakes such as housing and transportation, and dive deep into relationship money mistakes, travel, spending, retirement planning and tax issues that can cost you tens of thousands of dollars in your retirement accounts.Scott and Mindy shed light on some of the “low-hanging fruit” money missteps as well as touching on spending and lack-of-planning issues that can have an even larger impact on your financial future. This episode truly is for anyone who has money AND wants to have more.In This Episode We Cover:
What house hacking is
On buying a car
Challenges that come up in relationships
What to buy on engagement rings
Concept to apply on weddings
On having kids and pets
The importance of being on the same team in your relationship
Ways to save money on travel
Travel hacking
Tax Mistakes
The right time to talk to a CPA
Talking about retirement accounts
Withdrawing money early inappropriately
Not understanding fees
Not taking the match
Track and analyzing your spending
Signs that you have miscellaneous spending problem
On investing
Links:
The $51,000 mistake thousands of retirement savers have already made
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 35: Hacking Your Life to Live for (Almost) Free with Craig Curelop
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 87: How to Save Money for Your Down Payment with Scott & Mindy
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 83: Buying Your First House with Scott & Mindy
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 81: The Basics of Investing with Erin Lowry from Broke Millennial
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 09: Financial Independence at Age 30 (by House Hacking + Side Hustles) with Drew from Guy On Fire
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 20: The Simple Path to Wealth—Index Funds Explained with JL Collins
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 86: Choosing the Right Investment Type for Your Goals with David Stein
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 07: How Breakfast Food Motivated Financial Freedom with Mr. and Mrs. Waffles on Wednesday
Make Your Own Free Mobile Expense Tracking App in 30 Minutes
BiggerPockets Career Opportunities
BiggerPockets YouTube Channel
Connect with Scott and Mindy:
Mindy's email
Scott's email
BiggerPockets Money's email
Scott's Instagram
Mindy's Instagram
BiggerPockets Money's Instagram
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Sep 30, 2019 • 1h 19min
92: An Introduction to Financial Independence with Chris Mamula, Brad Barrett and Jonathan Mendonsa
Personal finance is easy, right? You read a blog or listen to a podcast and just follow everything they did. Easy, Peasy, Lemon Squeezy.Except that’s not how the world works. What brought success to one person may bring misery - and ultimately failure - to someone else. Personal Finance is P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L!Of course that said, there are some general principles that apply to everyone:
Spend less than you earn
Invest wisely
Increase your income
Track your spending
Be money conscious
Chris Mamula, Brad Barrett and Jonathan Mendonsa are the authors of ChooseFI: Your Blueprint to Financial Independence, a new book for ChooseFI Publishing. They join us today to share the basics of Financial Independence, and to remind us that Financial Freedom is available for everyone.Topics:
What their book is all about
The framework they applied to the concept of financial independence
Deconstructing rules and create new mindset
Things they questioned that started to fall apart
How to frame the conversation to attract and get more people interested on financial independence
The concept of spending less money
Principles on how to cut your expenses
Learn the rules of money and math
How to earn more income
How they approach on investing
The final step towards financial independence
And SO much more!
Links:
Mr. Money Mustache
Mad Fientist
YNAB
Mint
Frugalwoods
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 10: Designing a Frugal But Luxurious FI Life by Age 32 with Liz Thames
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 86: Choosing the Right Investment Type for Your Goals with David Stein
Budgets Are Sexy
Twitter - Dad Jokes
Scott's Instagram
ChooseFI
ChooseFI Podcast
Eat The Financial Elephant
Can I Retire Yet?
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Sep 23, 2019 • 1h 18min
91: Debt is NOT a Death Sentence with Melanie Lockert of Dear Debt
Melanie Lockert joins us today to share her story of student loan debt and her subsequent inability to find a job when she graduated into one of the worst job markets America had ever seen, and her spiral into depression and shame over her debt.Melanie is not alone - as of 2018, more than 44.2 MILLION borrowers owe more than $1.5 TRILLION! (link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_debt)September is National Suicide Prevention month - and Melanie hosts a Suicide Prevention Blog Tour every year due to the sheer number of people who find her blog when they search "I want to kill myself because of debt".Melanie advocates sitting down and figuring out exactly how much your debt is costing you per day, which was both a big source of shame as well as a HUGE motivator for her to pay it off. She also shares her journey out of debt - and out of depression through therapy.Melanie also shares resources for people feeling overwhelmed. Find counseling options at www.openpathcollective.org, talk to someone through text by texting HOME to 741741, which is the Crisis Text line or call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 1-800-273-8255.In This Episode We Cover:
Melanie's journey with money
Experiencing mental health issues because of debt
Start blogging and wrote break-up letters to debt
How she paid off her debt
Her main side hustle
How much it costs her to pay her student loan debts
The reason why debt is depressing
The biggest mistake people are making
Her advice to anyone who has the same path with her
Five stages of grief that are similar to paying off debt
On living in denial
Steps to prepare your mindset and addressing the underlying issues
Therapy hack
What keep her motivated
Talking about the first person who reach out to her
How she personally managed to pay off her student loans
On making more money
What her life look like after she paid off her student loan debt
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
Craigslist
TaskRabbit
FinCon
Mint
Open Path Collective
Crisis Text Line - Text HOME to 741741
Suicidal Hotline - 1-800-273-8255
Suicide Prevention
National Foundation for Credit Counseling
Annual Credit Report
Side Hustle Nation
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 90: From Unplanned Pregnancy to Financially Free with Melissa from Traveling Wallet
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 28: How Anyone Can Easily Make Extra Money Using Side Hustles with Nick Loper
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 50: Rebuilding Your Financial Life After Bankruptcy with Patrice Washington
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 35: Hacking Your Life to Live for (Almost) Free with Craig Curelop
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Sep 21, 2019 • 22min
FinCon Bonus Episode: Improving Financial Education with Billy Hensley from NEFE
Mindy sits down with Billy Hensley from The National Endowment for Financial Education to talk about Financial Education in America, and how NEFE is working to improve student and adult access to this oh-so-important information.They discuss state-mandated financial education courses and the success rates for students in these states. Billy also shares his take on the mandates, and how YOU can get involved if your state does not yet have this requirement.Billy also details how parents can get involved and bring this education into their children’s schools, where this is so desperately needed.This shortened episode of BiggerPockets Money is especially important for parents who are trying to teach their children how to handle money.In This Episode We Cover:
The right time to start teaching kids about money
The importance of understanding the needs versus wants at the very early age
How to introduce financial education into elementary and middle school childrens' curriculum
On financial education mandates
How do we get mandates to all 50 states
Misconception about financial education
And SO much more!
Links:
FinCon
Mandates Matter When it Comes to Borrowing for College
National Endowment for Financial Education
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Sep 16, 2019 • 1h 5min
90: From Unplanned Pregnancy to Financially Free with Melissa from Traveling Wallet
When Melissa found out she was pregnant, she was a sophomore in college. Her counselor gave her a pretty alarming statistic: a frighteningly small number of women who get pregnant in college actually end up graduating. Melissa threw herself into her studies, and prepared as much as she could for the birth of her son. And while her plans may have been changed by this unexpected addition, she pushed on and beat the odds - in more ways than one!Not only did Melissa graduate on time, she graduated with a degree in Mechanical Engineering while working an internship in California and attending school in Michigan.Melissa’s story shows that bumps in the road of life do not have to define your path and that financial independence is STILL achievable even if life throws you a curveball.In This Episode We Cover:
Melissa's money journey
Three situations that set up her money mindset
What her life looks like during her college years
What her school program looks like during her college years
How she handles the situation when she got pregnant during her college years
On childcare
Her goal after college
All about her medical debt
The reason why she opens up her 401k
What her lifestyle looks like and the sacrifice she made to make things possible
On paying off her debt
How does her situation changed after she got married
The moment she discovered the FIRE movement
And SO much more!
Links:
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 79: Financial Freedom Through Decades of Hard Work and Hustle with Carol Scott
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 82: Early Money Lessons Create Healthy Money Experiences with Aditi Shekar
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 35: Hacking Your Life to Live for (Almost) Free with Craig Curelop
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 26: Graduating College on Track for Financial Independence with Cody Berman
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 22: How to Pay Off 6-Figure Student Loans While Pursuing Financial Independence with Travis Hornsby
Student Loan Planner
SoFi
Mr. Money Mustache
Mindy's email
Connect with Melissa:
Traveling Wallet
Melissa's Twitter
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Sep 9, 2019 • 1h 4min
89: Retire Before Mom & Dad, with Rob Berger
Rob Berger grew up literally with Rich Dad, Poor Mom. While his mother almost lost her house after his parents divorced, his father was filthy rich, picking him up in a Rolls Royce for weekend visits. Throughout high school and college, he spent every dime he made, and graduated with around $55,000 in debt - and a wife.Upon graduating law school, he felt that “If I don’t save something, it would be a missed opportunity - even if it was $100 a month.” Keeping up with the (lawyer) Joneses took him in a big way - fancy car, fancy watch - and it wasn’t until he started listening to Dave Ramsey and hearing all those people scream “I’M DEBT FREE!!!” that it clicked. He didn’t want the fancy things anymore, he wanted to be debt free. He started saving in his retirement accounts, while simultaneously paying down debt because “it would be insanity to forgo contributions to your 401(k) so you could pay off your 6% student loan debt or credit card debt you can transfer to a 0% card. Even if you don’t have a match, you only have that one year to contribute. When the year is gone, that opportunity is gone.”Rob discovered that small changes in his daily habits didn’t have a very big impact in his daily life, but these small changes had a HUGE impact in his net worth. As he turned down opportunities to spend money, he saw his net worth skyrocket, until his money was making more money than he was!Rob has taken everything he learned on his own journey, and put these tips into a book aimed not at Early Retirement, but Financial Independence - encouraging everyone to attain the freedom to pursue their best life.In This Episode We Cover:
Rob's journey with money
Lived rich dad poor dad life
Saved money for retirement
How his lifestyle and position changed transitioning from a law firm job to a government job
Psychological component of a side hustle
Leaving the big law firm changed his mindset about money
Making $100 in 6 months to $30k in 18 months doing blogs
How he treated his salary money and side hustle money differently
The moment he paid down his debts
The reason why he decided to sell the business
What prompted him to write the book called, "Retire Before Mom and Dad"
What his book all about
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Forums
FinCon
PT Money
Frugalwoods
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 10: Designing a Frugal But Luxurious FI Life by Age 32 with Liz Thames
Mindy's email
Scott's email
Connect with Rob
Retire Before Mom and Dad
Rob's Twitter
The Dough Roller Money Podcast
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Sep 2, 2019 • 52min
88: Consciously Choosing to be Debt Free with Ashley Likely
Ashley Likely grew up with parents who provided everything she needed, but not necessarily everything she wanted. They were able to pay for her housing in College, but not for much else. So (spoiler alert) she graduated college with $77,000 of student loan debt.A conversation with a ‘preachy’ coworker showed her the light of paying down debt, saving aggressively and starting to invest. They started encouraging each other at work, learning about investments, contributing to 401(k)s, listening to podcasts and doing research. Ashley stumbled across a blog post written by Scott Trench where he shared “Reducing your debt is similar to increasing your income.” She had $56,000 in student loan debt at the time she read this article and says “Scott’s post changed my life.”She thought, if I could eliminate the student loan, what could that do for me mentally and financially? As a speech language pathologist, she has the opportunity for overtime, which she took every chance she got. Her naturally frugal ways kept her from going into further debt with car loans, vacations and all the trappings of “adulthood” by simply avoiding them. Avoiding these debt traps allowed her to bust out her debt and prepare for her future as a real estate mogul!In This Episode We Cover:
Ashley's money journey
Worked side jobs and open up credit card to get an employee discount
Total debt she had from credit card and student loan after college
What she did after college
Used her income tax return to paid out her credit card debt and bought a house
On her journey to financial freedom
Aggressively attacked student loan debt in 2017
What prompted her to paid down her student loan debt
Got interested in real estate
How he got downpayment for her investment property
On househacking
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Podcast 268: Acquiring 20 Long-Distance Rental Homes (on a Military Salary!) with Rich Carey
Broke Millennial
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 05: Jump Starting Your Early FI Plans by Live-in Flipping with Mindy Jensen
Ashley's Instagram
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Aug 26, 2019 • 1h 7min
87: How to Save Money For Your Downpayment with Scott & Mindy
In Episode 83, Scott and Mindy discussed how to buy your first property. And they were peppered with questions about the buying process after it came out, but the top question they got was “How do you save for your downpayment?”In today’s episode, Scott and Mindy dive deep into the process that happens BEFORE you start looking for a property. Things like getting your credit score as high as possible, getting your taxes in order, and the TRUE cost of closing.They also explore PMI - when it makes sense to pay it down and when it’s OK to continue to pay. They even share a story from a listener who was able to buy out his $100 a month PMI payment for $1500.If you’re looking to buy a house, but not sure where to start, this episode will definitely put you on the right path.In This Episode We Cover:
Things to do before buying a house
Getting your taxes in order
Disadvantages of self-employment
Mindy's story of buying her current house
Avoid making big purchases until after you close on your loan completely
Understanding closing cost
All about down payments
Do you get your earnest money back if you don't buy the house
On finding a good agent
What Private Mortgage Insurance is
On finding a good inspector
How to save up for the downpayment
And SO much more!
Links from the Show
BiggerPockets Forums
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 83: Buying Your First House with Scott & Mindy
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 35: Hacking Your Life to Live for (Almost) Free with Craig Curelop
BiggerPockets Money Podcast 10: Designing a Frugal But Luxurious FI Life by Age 32 with Liz Thames
Scott's Email
Mindy's Email
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Aug 19, 2019 • 1h 11min
86: Choosing the Right Investment Type for Your Goals with David Stein
David Stein reached out to us after Erin Lowry’s Episode 81, where we talked about the basics of investing. He really liked that episode, and wanted to dive a little further into the different TYPES of investments you can choose from.In this episode, we explore asset classes we haven’t really discussed before: Closed End Mutual Funds, REITs, Mortgage REITs, and the different types of stock you can buy. (Yes, there is more than one!) We even touch on Gold and Cryptocurrency! Investing isn’t limited to stocks, bonds and real estate, and David introduces these ideas so you can start investigating the asset classes that appeal to you and works best for your financial goals.David also shares his Investing Principles and his top tip is so simple, yet such an EXCELLENT piece of advice: Be able to describe in detail what you are investing in. If you can’t, you’re not ready to invest in that just yet.If you’re looking for different asset classes, better returns or even just to diversify your portfolio, this episode is a must-listen!In This Episode We Cover:
David's money journey
Launched businesses at the very young age
Studied and liked the aspect of finance
His approached to money throughout his career
What prompts him the decision to retire
On the "Money For The Rest of Us"
The investment principles that he teach
On the trading
Disadvantages of buying individual stocks
The difference between investment, speculation and gambling
Individual stocks versus index funds
Any circumstances that would make people buy an individual stock
The reason why he start the podcast
Closed-End Mutual Funds
Bonds
On real estate investment trust
How he select reits
Private reits versus public reits
On preferred stock
Buying preferred stock versus common stock
What a mortgage reit is
On bitcoin
What makes bitcoin speculation rather than a gamble
And SO much more!
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Aug 12, 2019 • 1h 21min
85: From Financial Disaster to Financially Free with Jacob Wade from I Heart Budgets
Jacob Wade knew nothing about money growing up. Any money he made at his mall jobs was instantly blown on mall food and silly teenage expenses.His father passed away when he was 4, leaving him an inheritance of $100,000 when he turned 18. Jacob quickly spent it on a truck, customized to the hilt. He soon had nothing to show for it, and at his lowest point, had to move in with his girlfriend’s mother, because he had no money to pay rent.Enter Dave Ramsey’s Total Money Makeover. Jacob devoured this book and of course, lightbulb!Jacob did what most new-to-FI people do, he cut out everything! He started tracking his spending and preaching to everyone who would listen. Finally fed up with his constant preaching, his wife said “I don’t want to hear about this anymore - go start a website!” And I Heart Budgets was born, where Jacob could preach to his heart’s content.Jacob and his family are now on a year long road trip around America, a mini-retirement to spend time with their young children before school starts, taking advantage of their financial position.Later in the episode, Jacob drops a knowledge bomb on Mindy & Scott, sharing the existence of the “Spousal IRA,” a way for non-working spouses to contribute to an IRA.Thinking you made such a big mess of your finances that you won’t ever recover? Jacob’s story shows that it’s never too late to start, and that poor financial choices don’t have to define you.In This Episode We Cover:
Jacob's money story
Inherited $100k at age 18 and blew it very quickly
The moment he realised to get serious about money
On tracking his spending
His lifestyle before and after he read Dave Ramsey's book
The power of getting on a budget
How he perform against his plan after tracking his spending
On his first three months of budgeting
How to set goals that you can actually achieve
What they did after wedding and honeymoon
What their lifestyle looks like living in Washington
On purchasing their house
Talking about their payment and savings after buying their house
On being a tax professional
The power of DIY
How he learn DIY
Made a choice to quit his job, buy an rv and hit the road
What a spousal IRA is
Their formal budget and money dates
The importance of having a wife that is in the same page as yours
Reshaping mindset and habits
And SO much more!
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