

THE RUNNING EFFECT PODCAST
Dominic Schlueter
The Running Effect tells the best stories in running—and turns them into insight, inspiration, and tools to help competitive runners become greater.
Every week, host Dominic Schlueter sits down with the fastest, smartest, and most inspiring people in the sport—from Olympic medalists to breakthrough athletes—to unpack the stories, lessons, and mindset behind elite performance. Whether you’re chasing a personal best or looking to understand how greatness is built, The Running Effect will make you a deeper fan of the sport—and a better runner.
Every week, host Dominic Schlueter sits down with the fastest, smartest, and most inspiring people in the sport—from Olympic medalists to breakthrough athletes—to unpack the stories, lessons, and mindset behind elite performance. Whether you’re chasing a personal best or looking to understand how greatness is built, The Running Effect will make you a deeper fan of the sport—and a better runner.
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Feb 7, 2023 • 45min
The Spanish Rocket: Mario García Romo Shares His Story, Placing 4th At Worlds, OAC, & Goals For 2023
Fresh off of a 3000m PB (7:34), Mario Garcia Romo, aka The Spanish Rocket, appears on the podcast. In high school, Mario had personal bests of 1:50.66 in the 800m, 3:42.35 in the 1500m, 8:12 in the 3000m. Mario then went to Ole Miss, where he quickly made a name for himself as one of the top runners in the nation. Mario was a 7-time All-American & 6-time SEC Champion. Perhaps the pinnacle of his NCAA years, Mario won the mile at the 2022 Indoor Track and Field Championships. Having just recently graduated, Mario signed with On Running and placed fourth at the 2022 World Championships in Eugene, Oregon, with a historic time of 3:30.2 in the 1500m. That same summer, he placed third at the European Championships also in the 1500m.
In this conversation, Mario and I dive deep into his upbringing in the sport. We discuss what running in Spain is like the, ultimately, his decision to come to the US for the NCAA. We go through his years at Ole Miss and the many accomplishments that came with those years. Mario then takes us through deciding to sign with OAC and what the experiences of last summer were like. We lastly talk about his goals for 2023 and much more! This conversation was a ton of fun and I walked away inspired by Mario's story and dedication to the sport.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-CHERIBUNDI (use code "TRE" to get 20% off!): https://cheribundi.com
-Mario's Instagram: https://olemisssports.com/sports/cross-country/roster/mario-garcia-romo/3577
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Feb 5, 2023 • 57min
Inside The Life Of Nicholas Thompson: CEO of The Atlantic & 50k American Record Holder (45+) | Run-Commuting, Writing, & Fatherhood
I have the extreme privilege of speaking with Nicholas Thompson today. Nicholas is the current CEO at The Atlantic and the former Editor-in-Chief at Wired. He graduated from Stanford University, receiving degrees in Earth Systems, Political Science, and Economics.
In addition to his accomplishments in business and life, Nick is quite the accomplished runner. On April 14, 2021, he set the American record in the 50k for the 45-49 age group after finishing the race in 3:04:36 (5:56 pace for 31.06 miles). He holds a marathon PR of 2:29, ranking him as one of the top master's runners in the world at the time.
Perhaps, most impressive, Nick commutes to work by running every day through the heart of New York City. I loved exploring this practice with him, how it came about, and what it means to him.
Nick and I discuss his upbringing in the sport, his marathon journey, run-commuting, and what lessons running has taught him. We also dive into his years at Philips Academy and Stanford University, questions surrounding building a strong culture and leading a successful team of individuals at The Atlantic, staying present, what books have been most impactful for him, and the principles of good writing. Lastly, he takes us through making breakfast for his kids every morning and what he'd make Gordon Ramsay for dinner.
This conversation was a ton of fun, and very insightful. I learned a lot from Nick and left this conversation a better version of myself. I'm confident you will be inspired by Nick and how he lives his life, ultimately impacting you to live a better life.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-CLEAN ENERGY!: https://cleansmoothie.com
-Nicholas's Website: https://www.nickthompson.com
-Nicholas's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nxthompson/
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Feb 3, 2023 • 22min
Connor Burns Is Training To Make History | A Conversation Before The NBGP & Millrose Games
Back like he never left, Connor Burns returns on the podcast to give the inside scoop. After a disappointing end to his XC season at NXN, Connor has bounced back better than ever and is putting in world-class work in hopes of achieving world-class results.
In this episode, you'll hear all about Connor's training, mindset, plans for this upcoming month, and the ideal post-race NYC meal. We go into a lot in this short, but packed 25min episode and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. Through Connor's personal experiences and knowledge, you will gain a deeper understanding of the mental and physical components of running and how to apply them to enhance your own running journey and ultimately improve the quality of your life.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-CHERIBUNDI (use code "TRE" to get 20% off!): https://cheribundi.com
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Feb 1, 2023 • 57min
Olympian & Former American Record Holder Bob Kennedy Goes Through The History Books
Today on the podcast, I have the great privilege of speaking with American distance running legend, Bob Kennedy. Bob won two OHSAA XC State Titles, was the 1987 national junior champion in cross country, and to this day holds the OHSAA Record for 1600m at 4:05:13. He then went on to The University of Indania, where he won the NCAA Men's Cross Country Championships becoming one of a few true freshman ever to win the event. Over the ensuing years, he won many more NCAA titles. After his collegiate years, he competed at the highest level making it to the Olympics more than once. He once held the American record in the 3000 meters (7:30.84), 2 miles (8:11.59), and the 5000 meters (12:58.21). Bob is undoubtedly one of the greatest American distance runners of all time.
In this conversation, Bob and I dive deep into his upbringing in the sport and the different races that are most significant to him and his career. We discuss lessons he's learned, the attributes he sees most consistently in high-performing individuals, and much more! This conversation was a ton of fun, and I really enjoyed going back in time through this remarkable time period of Bob's life. Through Bob's personal experiences and knowledge, you will gain a deeper understanding of the mental and physical components of running and how to apply them to enhance your own running journey and ultimately improve the quality of your life.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
S H O W N O T E S
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Jan 28, 2023 • 37min
A Conversation With Kole Mathison After Making His First USA National Team
Fresh of making his first US National Team, Kole Mathison returns to the podcast to recap this incredible race. The last time I spoke with Kole was fresh off of his first XC National Title just over a month ago. Today, I sit down with Kole after this monumental achievement of making a US National team.
In this episode, we discuss his build-up to the race, preparation, mindset, passport stories, favorite drip from the USA kit, and what making his first US National Team means to him. This episode was very fun, insightful, and even impactful. Kole's enthusiasm for the sport is contagious, and I'm confident that you'll walk away from this conversation inspired to chase after your goals all the more.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Kole's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kole.mathison/
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Jan 26, 2023 • 56min
An Inside Look At The Unlikely Career Of World Champion Grayson Murphy | Inspirations, Stories, & Wisdom From Grayson's Incredible Story
Today I have the privilege of having the one and only Grayson Murphy on the podcast. Grayson is an extraordinarily accomplished professional runner for Saucony. She is a 2xUS champion and a 1xWorld Champion. She has also run world-class times on the track and roads. In addition to her world-class performances on the trials, roads, and track, Grayson is the Founder and CEO of Racin' Grayson Training Logs and an overall incredible human being who has contributed so much to the sport of running.
Grayson has one of the more unique personal stories of how she got into running. I was personally fascinated and inspired by it. I loved hearing about how Grayson puts curiosity at the center of running and the many paths it has led her down. Listening to my podcast with Grayson Murphy will provide valuable insight and inspiration for anyone looking to improve their performance and overall well-being. Through Grayson's personal experiences and knowledge, you will gain a deeper understanding of the mental and physical components of running and how to apply them to enhance your own running journey and ultimately improve the quality of your life.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Grayson's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/racin__grayson/?hl=en
-Racin Grayson Training Logs: https://www.racin-grayson.com
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Jan 24, 2023 • 36min
THE CALL ROOM With Ben Flanagan | Episode 2: Sights Set On Boston | 5k Preview + More!
Episode 2! A deep recap from the past two weeks and a look ahead to the future with other subjects sprinkled in throughout!
About THE CALL ROOM: Have you ever wondered what it looks like to train as a professional distance runner? What the day-to-day life looks like? How to handle setbacks, failure, adversity, and doubts? How to set goals, train for them, and execute them on race day? As outsiders, we see remarkable athletes accomplish remarkable things every year. We don't see the behind-the-scenes of what went into that remarkable performance. We don't see or understand the hours of hard work, struggle, doubt, etc. The Running Effect is here to bring you an inside look at all these things with the man, the myth, the legend, Ben Flanagan.
Ben Flanagan has cemented himself as one of the best Canadian runners of all time in his short four years of being a professional runner. He is the Canadian half-marathon record holder with a time of 61:00 and has won the prestigious Falmouth Road Race three years in a row (gaining the name "The King of Falmouth" in the process). In addition, he won the 2018 NCAA 10k title while competing for the University of Michigan. Ben is currently sponsored by On Running and is a member of VNTC based out of Ann Arbor, Michigan.
Over the next two months, Ben and I will dive deep into his indoor campaign leading into The Ten, presented by Sound Running. We will go into his training, racing, mindset, and answer your questions along the way!
Enjoy the podcast? Please consider subscribing following us on Spotify & Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it.
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Ben's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ben_flanagan/?hl=en
-Ben's Strava: https://www.strava.com/pros/ben-flanagan-41161380
-VNTC Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@verynicetrackclub5601/featured
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en
-Intro Background Music: https://mandelbro.bandcamp.com/album/oh-margarita
-Race Website For Friday: https://www.flotrack.org/events/8043225-2023-bu-john-thomas-terrier-classic

Jan 22, 2023 • 44min
800m Superstar Aaliyah Miller Shares Her Story, Signing With On, Joining Team BOSS, & Goals For 2023.
Today on the podcast, I have the great privilege of speaking with NCAA Champ, Team BOSS member, and professional runner for On, Aaliyah Miller! In high school, she ran 2:02 in the 800m, represented Team USA with silver at IAAF World U20 Championship, and perhaps craziest of all, won the 400m, 800m, and 1600m, at her state meet her senior year. Aaliyah then went on to Baylor, where she won the 2021 NCAA Indoor 800m title in a meet record of 2:00.69 and became a 6xschool record holder at Baylor.
This conversation with Aaliyah was so much fun and very insightful. As you can read above, Aaliyah has had an incredibly successful career so it was an awesome opportunity to deconstruct her career and hear about the ups, downs, and everything in between! We discuss her high school years, Baylor + winning an NCAA title, signing with On + Team BOSS, and hear about her future plans.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Aaliyah's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aaliyahmiller28/
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Jan 20, 2023 • 58min
Inside The Mind Of Sam Parsons | An Honest Conversation About The Peaks & Valleys Of Professional Running
Today's podcast is a look into the mind of a professional runner, the ups, downs, and everything in between. Professional runner for Tinman Elite and Germany, Sam Parsons shares his story in full today on the podcast. Sam is a 3:55 miler and was a World Championships finalist in the 5k last year. He is also the Creative Director for his team, Tinman Elite, and probably your favorite follow on Strava currently.
This podcast was touching to me, and I was impacted in a big way. Sam's inspiring answers provide insight and wisdom to many different areas of life. If you want a look inside the mind of Sam Parsons, this podcast is for you. Professional running isn't all sunshine and rainbows, and Sam does an incredible job at showing the hills and valleys of professional running in today's episode.
You can listen wherever you find your podcasts by searching, "The Running Effect Podcast." If you enjoy the podcast, please consider following us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts and giving us a five-star review! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it. If you really enjoy the podcast, consider sharing it on social media to spread the word!
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Sam's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/par_sam_sons/
-Sam's Strava: https://www.strava.com/pros/sam-parsons-54176296
-Video on Sam's Sub 4 Mile In Delaware: https://youtu.be/ufkpfquXxBs
-Tintalk Pod: https://open.spotify.com/show/4g6N0gTk4bpEJHxFzu0Mrr?si=00394c7a85bf46c4
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en

Jan 17, 2023 • 57min
How To Make 2023 Your Best Year Ever With Matt Choi | How To Change, Take Risks, & The Downside Of Setting Goals
Warning: This podcast will get you so fired up that you'll want to run through a brick wall.
Back like he never left, Matt Choi is back and better than ever. Matt and I have a discussion that will inspire, enlighten, and impact you to live a better and more meaningful life. We discuss how to change, take risks, take accountability for your life, and even the downside of setting goals. Matt teaches on the subjects of being a lifelong learner, falling in love with the process, working on your mindset, and why Lamborgini doesn't do commercials.
For those who aren't familiar with Matt, he played NCAA football, has run a 100-mile ultramarathon, and successfully completed the David Goggins 4x4x48 challenge. Matt has reached millions of people through the encouraging and powerful content he produces on social media regularly. Most of all, Matt has become a friend of mine who has inspired me beyond measure.
If you want to get serious about taking extreme ownership of your life and pursuing the best version of yourself, this podcast is for you. Reiterating a quote, we discuss within the episode: "Average is the enemy. Success is your responsibility. And change can take place in an instant if you're willing to flip the switch." I hope that this podcast can help you to flip the switch.
Enjoy the podcast? Please consider subscribing and giving us a five-star review on Spotify & Apple Podcasts! I would also appreciate it if you share it with your friend who you think will benefit from it.
The podcast graphic was done by the talented: Xavier Gallo.
S H O W N O T E S
-Matt's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattchoi_6/?hl=en
-Our Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therunningeffect/?hl=en


