In The Business of Healthy Masculinity

Hi there,Phew, we made it! The first, and maybe last, sprint of the In The Business of Healthy Masculinity podcast. Episode #25. If you have listened in at all, please do reply and let me know what you have found interesting, what you disagree with, or anything else.Let me introduce you to the brilliant mind of Maciej Pawlik:Maciej Pawlik is a Disaster Scientist studying for a PhD in nature-based disaster resilience at UCL's Department of Risk and Disaster Reduction and Institute of Education. His research aims to better understand learning processes surrounding nature-based solutions in flood-prone communities to build learning interventions that can help foster disaster resilience across the UK, Japan and beyond. He also serves as a Climate Ambassador for London, helping schools develop Climate Action Plans and is a Steering Committee Member of the UK Alliance for Disaster Research, supporting early-career researcher development.Let’s dive in, and please do share any insights or reflections that emerge for you:Men and women as allies against harmful systems/behaviour“There’s such a great degree of separation between how we identify as men and women’s identity and women’s suffrage. We should be allies, we should be supporters, we should be doing everything we can to create a more equitable world.” - Maciej PawlikThere is little I can add to Maciej’s assertion here.What I will add, however, is that for some reason it is very hard to get business leaders to take the topic of men’s violence seriously. I have tried on multiple occasions to get some organisations to engage around this topic, by suggesting that they become White Ribbon accredited, however this is not deemed as important enough (despite what is going on with the Epstein files!).Indeed the very reason this In The Business of Healthy Masculinity platform was developed was due to the same insight being shared in Dr Jackson Katz book, Every Man: Why Violence Against Women is a Men’s Issue, and How You Can Make a Difference.To what extent do you, or would you be willing to call men in for bad or harmful behaviour? Can you remember an example or missed opportunity in recent times?We have to challenge bad behaviour (unhealthy masculinity)“Nothing is going to change if we don't challenge bad behaviour and not only call it out, but actually do something about it.” - Maciej PawlikMaciej’s comment here hits me straight in the heart!There was an occasion several years ago when I overheard two leaders within a work organisation discussing the fact they needed to get someone to step into a more senior role within customer service and they thought that Susan (real name protected) would do a good job, but that there was no point asking her as she will likely have kids within the next one-two years.Susan was not pregnant at the point of this discussion, so it was clear that bias was at play, but I did not have the courage, nor personal accountability, to speak up at that time.To this day, I hold the frustration that I did not speak up. Whilst this was not harmful from a physical point of view, it is a harmful pattern of behaviour, that is unchallenged, just repeats.Do you have any stories or examples where you have stayed comfortable rather than speak up? We’d appreciate you sharing in the comments to help build this muscle.The power of healthy masculinity“I don’t think it’s right that power should be about subjugation. I think the true meaning of power should be about standing in the way of bullets when others are vulnerable and lifting people out of vulnerability and being able to empower others who are less fortunate than us.” - Maciej PawlikMaciej’s perspective is incredibly powerful to me, and this version of (healthy I may add) power is one that I have rarely experienced within a business setting. Certain people I have worked with do model this approach, but at a systems/organisational level, much less so.This makes sense to some extent as business as we understand it today is mainly about maximising profits, often at literally all costs.Could you imagine a world where business is part of a connected, more social business system that allows a fair return to be made (of course we will have a different of version of what this could be), leveraging building business and entrepreneurial zeal, but capping the ability for huge disparities in worker to executive ratios, reducing harm by design in supply chains, and building in a fairer, more just payment level to suppliers?I can imagine this, it’s a stretch, but current world events just reinforce the need for more decentralising of power, in and outside of business spaces.I am curious, how have you experienced ‘power,’ in good, bad, or other ways, and what does power mean to you personally?Role modelling healthier masculinity“I'm polish and the lessons that I was that I was told by many was don't show weakness, don't show emotions, and I don't think that's right” - Maciej PawlikWhat I find most clarifying is how patriarchy has been embedded in men regardless of geography and regardless of language over the past generations.All of Maciej’s experiences I have experienced as a Brit. Be the man, dont show feelings, dont show weakness, be strong etc We are seeing this unhealthy masculinity, when not balanced with healthy feminine energy, being propagated in the manosphere and other degrading movements founded, I feel, on men’s lack of personal safety/safe spaces, and lower self worth.What are you doing to break these narratives and patterns in your life, and of those closest to you?Self-organisation and mutual aid as challengers to harmful systems“A big challenge to the system is if you can create more networks of knowledge sharing, mutual aid, and break down barriers to resources, to provisions. Because the way that the system works is that if you are dis-empowered, If you lack resources, if you don't know about pathways towards sources of information, then you'll continue to be dis-empowered and you'll be stuck.” - Maciej PawlikHannah Litt (she/her) has been talking about mutual exchange and mutual aid for as long as I have known her (the past few years!).Access to resources, information, even food, can be gate-kept by power holders and multinational corporations under the current culture that operates. However, what could be possible if we re-imagined a healthy distribution of resources, information, and food?I learned about the old silk road as part of the Possible Futures Collective Intro to Decolonial Sustainability course, and how trade was effective and much more humane/equitable pre-colonisation, and pre the British-led East-India Company.What impacts you from Maciej’s comment above and what may ignite curiosity within you as a result?Until ……… whatever unfoldsWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you, I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.This was the last episode of the current series of the In The Business of Healthy Masculinity podcast.I’d be grateful if you would leave a review, if you have got value from the conversations, on Apple and/or Spotify.I will keep in touch periodically as we go forward and as you are still here, what most serve you for us to talk about and/or explore on this platform?With loveGarry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hi there,We are into the penultimate episode of In The Business of Healthy Masculinity in it;s current format, I do hope you have been getting some value over the past 20+ weeks?Let me introduce you to the wonderful Trina Casey:Trina Casey is an international educator, Mind, Body, and Spirit Alignment Coach, and author who has spent over two decades guiding people toward wholeness and conscious living.Having lived and taught globally, to connect with nodes of consciousness allows Trina truly innerstand her clients and co-creators on a frequency level leading to Temet Nosce, Know Thyself.Trina is the creator of This Real Life Books, a groundbreaking series of trauma-informed children’s stories, and host of the EQaboveIQ podcast, where she unpacks emotional intelligence as a key to purpose-driven life. Through her mentorship, she empowers clients to deprogram societal conditioning, reconnect with their intrinsic worth, and step into authentic alignment.Her latest book, Reclaiming Humanity: A Blueprint for Collective Healing and Resistance, calls readers to challenge oppressive systems and awaken to their true power.You can reach Trina on the following platforms:Website - https://thisreallifebooks.com/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thisreallifebooksLet’s dive into this juicy conversation!Observe, don't absorb“I can observe without absorbing. It's okay to be an observer, but the goal of the parasitic class is to get you to absorb, absorb ideals, absorb fallacies, and just divide yourself.” - Trina CaseyHow does Trina’s insight land with you?For me personally, it has taken years of inner work to unlearn my savourism pattern, to understand my right to comfort pattern that I have been conditioned with, that the world is not binary etcAs I have unlearned that conditioning, my capacity to observe and not just absorb has expanded. It is very hard, personally and within a work context, to hold so much complexity in our minds and souls, without release valves. Remember Paul Jameson’s valve and widget metaphors from episode #14 of this platform.In what ways are you able to observe without being absorbed in your own life today? What benefits could you and those around you gain if you could observe more often? Let us know in the comments.Benefit just me and/or we?“I would say tap into your inner knowing, your inner understanding, and your inner power and say, okay, does me behaving this way benefit the whole or does it benefit me? Because usually it's usually a deep insecurity that if i give up some “power” to a woman then i'm not a man, but to me. you lose nothing and you gain everything once you connect with the divine feminine.” - Trina CaseyThis message from Trina is GOLD! Let me bring this to life for you from my own lived experience.Over the past decade I have worked at the same company and doing the same job, yet outside of that day job, I have grown, shed, cried, evolved, met a wonderfully diverse global community of human beings, and guest what? 90% + of that journey has been with women.Not because I designed it that way, it is just a symptom of the fact that we men too rarely have the safe spaces to even think, let alone feel, and that can often reinforce the unhealthy behaviours that we have explored so much on this platform.Inside of myself, my capacity to learn, unlearn, and observe and not just absorb has expanded so many times over, yet on the outside, the world looks pretty similar. Same job, same amazing wife, same family etcIf you are not ‘going inside’ of yourself; reviewing your values, your job role, who you spend your time with, who energises you, who drains you, you are likely a passenger in your own life, and not in the driving seat.Be honest with yourself. Are you the driver or the passenger of your own life right now?If you are the passenger, please reach out to Trina or myself as we need to get you into the driving seat.The etymology of 'business'“The whole point of hustling and bustling in busyness is to be anxious. To be taken away from self. That's the point. So if I had all the time and resources I needed, I would probably be a little bit more introspective. How's my body feel? What's this? What's that? Curiosity would be king.” - Trina CaseyThis blew my brain! I always love how Trina focuses on the etymology or origin of words, but I never knew the origins of the word ‘business’ and it makes a lot of sense.How did learning the etymology of the word business land with you? What did it spark, what did it maybe even trigger?Even if your job role or work feels meaningful, if we look on an interconnected, systemic level, does it reinforce this etymology. Why? Because business as we do it today is predicated on harm. Global supply chains that enclose resource and labour for relative worker scraps whilst the majority gets syphoned off to big corporations and the global financial market.Additionally global engagement stats from Gallup stubbornly stuck at just 21% - that’s 79% of people going through the motions of ‘work,’ which surely reinforces Trina’s insight and research into the etymology of word ‘business’?Life doesn’t have to look bad on the outside - mine doesn’t - to be honest about this reality.So what word, what energy do we need to change to reimagine work and community to less anxious, less harm, and less disembodied ways? What are you thinking and what are your thoughts?The 'Ponzi scheme' of Western financial services“And look what can happen in seventy two hours. Fifteen percent of twenty years' worth of investment was wiped out because of one (maybe two!) human beings's desire to go to war.” - Garry TurnerAt the time of sharing this conversation with Trina, my pension funds are a further 2% lower as the US-Israel war on Iran continues !If there was ever a time for people to realise and understand the interconnectedness of our systems and lives in 2026, this is it. The fact that literally a couple of human beings, aided and abetted by systems of preferential governance, can cause such havoc all around the world just makes this so clear to see.Indeed I saw an amazing video on LinkedIn that is SO valuable to watch in full. I share it here in case of value to you:https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7441420839788396544/What this situation provoked within me is something that Hannah Litt and I are discussing often, which is how do we get to a palace of valuing different things not just based on the US dollar. How do we set up systems for mutual exchange (food, skills etc) that are beyond reliance on a few peoples whims?I would love to hear your thoughts and ideas around how we can organise and exchange differently towards more equal and healthy futures? Do you have any examples or know of any that are working effectively today?The battle to maintain healthy energetic balance"Almost three years ago, I started seeing a divide, a purposeful push, especially with the red pill content. The battle between the masculine and the feminine, women are this, men are that. And though some of this could be Interpreted as true, I want to look at it from a different perspective in that energetically and spiritually, we have both frequencies of masculine and feminine energy in us.” - Trina CaseyWhether we look at business, politics, or our local communities. Who benefits from us being divided? Not you, Trina, and me!The conscious balancing and dialling up/down of BOTH our masculine and feminine traits/energies has been one of the most consistent and important insights of these healthy masculinity conversations, and Trina spotlights this powerfully again.There is no reason whatsoever for men and women to be competing, not when coming from a place of equality and health.To what extent are you consciously balancing your machine and feminine energies today? Could you benefit from a safe space and guidance to do so more effectively for you and those around you?Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you, I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #25 of the podcast, the final in its current iteration, will be published next Mon 6th April 2026 with disaster scientist and brilliant mind Maciej Pawlik.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance: I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Wishing you a safe, connected week ahead.With loveGarry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Dr Peter Olusoga, BPS Chartered Psychologist and lecturer focused on burnout and sustainable high performance. He discusses how hypermasculine narratives block vulnerability and help-seeking. He explores survivorship bias, learning from failure, psychological safety across identities, and treating well-being as a strategic route to sustainable performance.

Hi there,Does every week feel like a month to you right now, it does to me! On many levels lolAs with ever week, I am grateful to Anna de Nardin who creates these amazing graphics for this platform, and to Hannah Litt, who continues to shine a light on safe spaces for women and men to imagine beyond our current structures.Anyhoo, we are back with the next instalment of the In The Business of Healthy masculinity conversation and this week is yet another corker - I promise you!Before I introduce you to my latest guest, Debbie Danon, I wanted to share an invitation to all you men out there, or you to partners of men who you feel could get value from two days of slowing down, connecting, and reflecting with an intimate peer group of max 10 men:More about Debbie as follows:Whether we admit it or not, we are all navigating in a world that is unequal and inequitable by design. So it’s no surprise that among activists and change-makers seeking to challenge the status quo, moral injury, exhaustion and burnout are all too common. And sometimes, even with the best intentions, it’s not clear to us how we are upholding the systems we seek to dismantle - for example through extractive overwork, or succumbing to saviour or martyr paradigms.In this context, Debbie is passionate about enabling values-led leaders to rebel against harmful systems and limiting conditioning, so that they can lead at their Authentic, Balanced and Courageous best. Time and again, Debbie’s clients emerge from working together feeling seen, liberated and better equipped to respond to even the most complex leadership and civil society challenges.With 20+ years experience across NGO leadership, interfaith dialogue facilitation, corporate leadership development and Diversity, Equity and Inclusion consulting, Debbie founded Rebel Leadership in 2021 as a coaching practice to support change-makers to lead with her counter-cultural framework of Rebel Authenticity, Balance and Courage.Debbie’s clients range from NGO and charity leaders, to NHS managers, to leaders in social enterprises and mission-driven scale-ups. Recent clients have included One NHS Finance, The Diller Foundation, Amnesty International, International Alert, Bloody Good Period and NUS. Debbie has also taught inclusive coaching practice as Adjunct Faculty for Thirdspace, the only accredited school for Integral Coaching in the UK.Justice and liberation principles are woven into everything Debbie does. Her approach is supported by a deep understanding of somatics (body work) and anti-oppressive practice. As such, her work attracts client referrals from folks from marginalised identities, including folks of colour; queer, trans and non-binary folks; folks who practice a faith such as Islam or Judaism; and disabled folks. She does not take for granted the trust marginalised folks place in her and Rebel Leadership, so Debbie attends regular supervision and undertakes ongoing independent study to become more skilful, anti-oppressive and liberatory in her approach.Since the war in Israel/Gaza, Debbie has been a sought-after partner for groups seeking to create interfaith listening spaces. She has collaborated with Three Hijabis activist Amna Abdullatif developing guidance and sessions for organisations on creating compassionate, trauma-informed spaces for staff who are most affected by the conflict. She is also in the midst of a new, emergent collaboration building capacity for peacebuilders on the ground in the region and around the world. Watch this space!Clients have recognised Debbie for her ‘deepest emotional intelligence’, ‘extensive knowledge’ and ‘total unshockability.’ For her own part, Debbie describes her life as a commitment to healing, liberation and love.Outside work, Debbie is a cofounder of inclusive Progressive Jewish community Makor Hayim, which is also part of this commitment.www.debbiedanon.comThis is a DEEP one, let’s go!People don't grow in a place of shame“When there’s such an abuse of positional or identity-based power, there is no nicey-nicey about it. We have to be like, hello, this is not okay. But also people don’t grow in a place of shame. So it’s a tightrope, really.” - Debbie DanonThis insight from Debbie is so potent! That tightrope is real and I often look at this as we can;t just keep “meeting people where they are at” as that is normally code for meeting them in comfort, which rarely leads to change. However spaces need to be safely designed to allow for discomfort to be explored, so this is a tightrope that I find myself dancing across often.To what extent would you agree, challenge, or anything else about Debbie’s reflections in this video?We grow in the depths, not on the surface“With that stuffing down of emotion or that stuffing down of vulnerability, where’s the willingness to go down to possibility or relationship, which are less comfortable. The deeper you go, the less comfortable it gets for sure. Swimming on the surface of the Lake. It’s all very comfortable.” - Debbie DanonI’m not sure about you, but for over 25 years I have dealt with international business environments that value surface level, transactional relationships over depth.Sure you can make some friends that go deeper, but at a senior, growth-at-all-costs level, transactions and disembodiment are actively rewarded. Not caring and not feeling are safety barriers against accountability and systemic understanding, certainly within publicly-traded spaces.To what extent would you agree and/or challenge my experience here? How does Debbie’s insight land with you?Are there any areas within your life where you are stuffing down vulnerability or not listening to your body as it feels uncomfortable? What could be possible for you if you explored those feelings with curiosity, and not fear?Disconnection as a block to 'openings'“Any one of those people, including myself, could have put their hand up in that meeting and said, no, ‘we do not do that here. We don’t talk down to people. We don’t talk over people. We don’t abuse other people, tell them they’re less than publicly. Because that’s such a disconnection, I see, particularly in workplaces,” - Garry TurnerHave you had a similar experience before? How did you handle it?Rebel Leadership as a way to re-integrate ourselves“We’ve only got one body, one brain, one being, even though we compartmentalise quite well as humans in late stage capitalism, right?” - Debbie DanonThis insight from Debbie cut life a knife through butter for me personally! I spent the first 35 years of my life with an outwardly looking ‘nice life’ whilst internally I was a conditioned brain walking around on a body!To what extent do you live in your head and/or suppress feeling, or do you feel you are able to listen with head, heart, and gut intelligence combined?It has only been the past few years that I have started to become more embodied - connecting head, heart, and gut - and the hardest part has been allowing feeling after many years of emotional and feeling suppression.Indeed as we look at world events today, Debbie’s comment feels to have a lot of truth for those so-called world leaders.What will you try and experiment differently with today as a result of Debbie’s insight above?Find your ‘right size’“In British culture we play ourselves down, viewing humility as being smaller, but in the Jewish tradition humility is not being too big, but also not being too small. Because if you’re playing too small then you are depriving the world of your gifts by prioritizing your fear. So my invitation to you is to find your right size.” - Debbie DanonI found this insight from Debbie really meaningful. As someone myself who has consistently sought to find my ‘right size’ within corporations, and continue to!, seeking to expand the limiting boxes that such structures impose, I witness daily that it can be easier to stay in fear than ‘rock the boat.’Yet if we don’t push to find our right size, what’s the point honestly? What are you thinking and what are your thoughts? How do you, or may, find your ‘right size’ within your context. Let Debbie and I know in the comments.A critical reminder as we go into this week:Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you, I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #23 of the podcast will be published next Mon 23rd March 2026 psychology lecturer and host of the Eighty Percent Mental podcast, Peter Olusoga.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Wishing you a safe, connected, and activated week ahead.With loveGarry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hi there,When I planned the guests for this platform, I honestly did not realise I would coincide this powerful episode with Scott Leonard, with the recent Million Women Rise march that I attended in London (7th March 2026).I attended alongside Hannah Litt (she/her) and others, in advance of International Women’s Day. Please consider donating to their work if you are able.I cannot start this week's post without sharing a video from the amazing and powerful women that were leading the March (yesterday as I write).Tackling men’s violence against women and girls was the major focus of the march, and is indeed a key theme of this episode around creating safe spaces for boys and men.Consider leveraging Hannah’s services for safe spaces for boys and men also. You can find out more about her at https://hannahlitt.com/.A bit more about Scott as we get going today:Scott Leonard’s work is all about helping people, organisations and movements communicate better. As a disadvantaged young person, raised by a single parent on free school meals, he’s combined lived experience as a father with decades of purpose-led professional expertise to create Dads Kids Club CIC.Dads Kids Club invites male parents and kids to create better life outcomes. Dads Kids Club connects dads and male carers at a critical time where suicide remains the biggest killer, and encourages pupil engagement in education at a critical time where 1 in 4 pupils disengage from school.Scott’s also a facilitator at Andy’s Man Club the suicide prevention charity that believes #It’s Okay to Talk.The Origin story of Dads Kid Clubs“The head teacher said, can we men talk about this and what this is doing to our children. So he put out an open call for dads to join him on a chat about how we’re going to positively react or how can we positively react to some horrific examples of male violence. And there were only two of us and the head, that joined the call. But that’s all it took.” - Scott LeonardWhat I love most about Scott’s comment here is that it took just three of them to get the ball rolling on Dads Kids Club.I’m not sure about you, but so often, certainly in a workplace, changing direction or doing something new seems to be unnecessarily hyper-complex!With a clear vision and shared intention, anything really is possible.Do you have any examples of when just one or two people caused meaningful change, at home or at work?The potential and plurality of masculinity“We needed to bring them together in a space so children could see examples of masculinities. I’m being really plural in that sense. I’m not talking about one example of masculinity, because I genuinely don’t believe there is one. Give or take, there are four point one billion men men on the planet. And I think each one has their own Interpretation of what masculinity is.” - Scott LeonardThis was SUCH a powerful segment for me personally, and it really got me rethinking if the name of this platform was even correct! In discussion with some peers, we aligned that the title and energy of the platform is speaking to plural or multiple masculinities, but I wonder if you would agree or otherwise with that?For more insight around imagining towards plural worlds, I invite you to check out my conversation with the amazing Sahana Chattopadhyay, who is a writer, speaker, and designer.This segment also speaks to the fact that the world is NOT binary, despite the conditioning that we get to the contrary. There is pretty much always a yes/and, rather than an either/or response, to, well, anything!If we want change, we've got to be prepared to change“If we want change we’ve got to be prepared to change” - Scott LeonardNot a lot to add here, except, if we want change, are we willing to be changed ourselves?This reminds me of what my good friend Hannah challenges, often: "Where are the good guys? Not hurting women and girls is not enough to stop other men hurting women and girls.For me, the most powerful and painful change has been going on a decolonisation journey since Oct 2020, and which still continues today. Understanding the depths and insidious nature of supremacy culture, seeing how it permeates every law, every financial decision, and every aspect of the supply chain, and having to reckon with my own coloniality!That said, the freedom that one feels when not having to pretend that any of what we have been brought up on is ‘normal’ is oddly releasing.In what ways did you allow yourself to be changed, and what was the impact? I’d love to hear from you in the comments.Programming vs exploiting privilege“These are really complex things to do with what we’ve been programmed in some way, but also what we’ve chosen to believe. We mustn’t forget that some of the privileges that we’ve been presented with, we choose to exploit” - Scott LeonardIt’s rare to hear some humidity and awareness around the fact that we are all navigating life with a mix of both conditioning, but also conscious privilege.My biggest privilege is that I can, if I choose, to walk in the opposite direction of known harm, knowing that others do not have that luxury. Just look at what has happened over the past few years geopolitically as evidence of that.What may be do and be different that we can challenge or leverage those privileges is another matter. One thing I am working on is trying to bring more supply chain transparency around certain countries’ harmful supply chains. What may an example near or far away be for you?"The more we get involved, the better outcomes we create"“The more we get involved the better outcomes we create” - Scott LeonardLittle to add to powerful insight from Scott.What would you like to get more involved with at the moment, but are maybe holding yourself back, or even afraid to step into?What possible outcomes could follow if you allowed yourself to feel the fear, but do it anyway?I hope to update you very soon around a personal example of this. #WatchThisSpaceUntil next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you, I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #22 of the podcast will be published next Mon 16th March 2026 with Rebel Leadership founder and Integral Coach Debbie Danon.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Wishing you a safe, connected, and activated week ahead.We can’t ignore the warmongering and harm being caused by a select few men on this beautiful blue orb. But we can call one another in when we see harm being caused, and lets re-imagine together.This week of all weeks.With loveGarry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358PS - I will be taking a break after episode #25 of this current iteration of the platform as a deeper and more intentional focus on reducing men’s violence, and helping to reduce that, feels like it is on it’s way through. Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hey, how are you doing and being? Let me know.I’m REALLY excited to share this next In The Business of Healthy Masculinity conversation with you as I have had first-hand experience with equine facilitation and it is POTENT!My guest is range owner, executive coach, and author Heather Hanson-Wickman. Let me share some more about her:After achieving success in the corporate world, completing a PhD in Organizational Leadership and becoming a published author, Heather embarked on a new path dedicated to supporting senior leaders in their pursuit of evolved leadership and soulful organizations.With over fifteen years of experience as an executive coach, Heather has witnessed the profound transformations that occur when leaders embrace new practices and self-awareness.Heather’s approach is a bit untraditional. While she has the traditional academic background, a Bachelor’s degree in Human Resource Development, a Master’s degree in Human Resources/Industrial Relations, and a Ph.D. in Leadership and Transformational Change, her education and experience extends far beyond traditional academia. Heather has spent the past five years immersed in the teachings, practices, and wisdom found in equine-facilitated coaching, adding a unique dimension to her coaching practice.If you are ready to align your life with your true essence and embark on an extraordinary journey of self-discovery, experimentation, and change, I wholeheartedly invite you to join me.Thank you to Anna deNardin for her amazing artistic support.You can find out more about Heather and her work at her website.As well as in this substack, you can also find this conversation on the following platforms:* Apple* Spotify* YouTubeLet’s dive in:Zero shame, zero judgement feedback from horses“They (horses) are actually showing you what you need to see that no one else can share with you in a way that has zero shame, zero judgment, because the moment you shift, they re-engage.” - Heather Hanson-WickmanTo what extent could working with horses help you with your own development and leadership journey?What I find super interesting is how our, my own ego, has been a blocker to receiving feedback, or having honest conversations that should have happened, in the past. When I had my day coaching with a horse (a few years ago with Jo Menon), it was quite amazing seeing how jumbled and volatile my thoughts were entering the day (left hand image below), when compared with the clarity on leaving. You can see this visibly in the pictures below from my experience.I can confirm that going through my day, it was incredible to feel the trust and equality in relationship that I felt with the horse, so much so I walked a kilometre down a path with my horsey-coach as below:Horses have 5 X the electromagnetic field of humans“The electro-magnetic field of the heart is five times greater in the horse than it is in the human, so they’ve been able to measure this in heartmath institute studies over and over again. The first thing that tends to happen when someone walks into our herd, is someone takes a deep breath” - Heather Hanson-WickmanThis insight from Heather was just like, whoah! It also reminded me when Dawna Jones (my guest on episode #6 of this platform), first introduced me to the work of the HeartMath Institute which honestly I need to dive more into.Why wouldn’t we trust working with other animals when we have evidence that they have strengths that we do not have? To what extent can you believe that non-humans can be as strong, if not stronger sometimes, than humans?I ask these questions as I have struggled, often, with challenging my conditioned bias that humans are superior to other forms of life, mainly non-human. My own experiences with equine facilitation is a key factor in helping challenge my internal narratives about that human superiority.I am curious what reflections or challenges you have around the above?Pausing to come from a place of wholeness“So let me just pause there in saying that there is, I think, a space and maybe more broadly in nature that can help us all, you know, bring those pieces back so that we can find ourselves again, remember ourselves again, and kind of come from that place of wholeness.” - Heather Hanson-WickmanWhat does ‘wholeness’ mean to you, out of curiosity?For me, this is about integration; connecting head, heart, and gut, and not just relying on our conditioned ‘above the neck’ only experience of life. Having non-human guides, in this case a horse, to help you with that feels powerful.To what extent can we influence business leaders to value wholeness and the exponential human potential that can come from creating space?Heather’s corporate crack“I tell you about my corporate crack. I quit my job in the middle of nowhere and sold everything and left the country for three months. Right. I just cracked. And so that was the first phase of the remembering.” - Heather Hanson-WickmanHeather’s ‘chasing of the corporate ladder’ was exactly the same as what I chased (less effectively honestly!), but I have had a failed marriage, unhealthy vices, suppression of feeling etcThis ‘remembering’ is SO critically important and here in the UK as I type, we have just got news of a major shift in the political landscape, so much so I get a sense it will energetically open up people in a way they did not realise was possible.Remembering we have agency.Remembering we matter.Remembering we have value.Remembering not only humans can educate and support us.All things our more degenerative systems are educated and condition out of us.It’s to reclaim it all and avoid any more corporate cracks.A more connected, less harmful, and generative world IS possible. It starts with each of us.Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you, I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #21 of the podcast will be published next Mon 9th March 2026 with a purposeful communications expert and Dads Kids Club co-founder Scott Leonard for what is a CRITICALLY important conversation.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Until next time, take care and have as good a week ahead as possible,Garry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hi there,We are racing towards 20 episodes of this conversation (yes my math is great ;0) ), and I hope that you are getting some value.It is interesting seeing some of you unsubscribing, and some new people coming onboard. A reflection of life’s ebb and flow.Into this weeks episode #19 of ‘In The Business of Healthy Masculinity’ and it is a corker with Eldership community builder Zena Me.Let me tell you more about her as follows:Zena is a Writer, Teacher, Speaker and Systemic Consultant on the subject of Eldership, Leadership, Culture Making and Social Cohesion.She works with Leaders and Organisations who long for social cohesion in Executive Leadership Teams, Organisations and Communities.Over the past thirty five years Zena has worked with Leaders in the International Corporate World, Local Communities, Politics, Government Agencies, Non-Profits and Private Equity Business. She’s been a Tutor and Facilitator at Cranfield Business School working on their High Performance Leadership Programmes and now runs her own International Community of Elders Business Skool, which she founded in 2022 to explore the missing function of Eldership in Organisations.Her intuitive skills and ability for strategic thinking and depth psychology meant that she rose quickly through the ranks. Early in her career she become involved in a large scale Organisational Culture Change to transform Greater Manchester Police from a Force to a Service. This ‘Culture Change’ was a response to a deep Organisational Trauma, triggered by a Senior Leadership and National Political Crisis.This rich, complex experience of culture change led to her twenty six year exploration into Conscious Leadership, Culture Making and Social Cohesion.In 2006 she wrote and performed a One Woman Show using Augustus Boal’s Theatre of the Oppressed process to share her own story and take the audience through the exploration of the their own Ancestral History and how this impacts who they are and their belonging.She’s now a leading edge influencer in the field of Systemic Leadership, Culture, Organisational Development and Human Transformation.Zena’s currently involved in the film ‘Boarding on Insanity’, which explores Boarding School Culture and the hidden trauma that influences and pervades our Human Organising Systems. The film has been shown in the UK Houses of Parliament and has led to her involvement in deeper research into this field with The London Southbank University, where she now advises on the hidden power dynamics and hidden historical trauma in Human Organising Systems.Let’ dive into this incredible conversation together, which you can find on the following platforms:* Apple* Spotify* YouTube'Culture Making' as an intentional act“We tend to call it culture development or other words for it. But for me, a leader is a culture maker. We have the capacity to actually make culture and create culture” - Zena MeZena’s insight here is one of THE most important I have ever heard.When we talk about organisational design, it can feel a bit theoretical. When we see that culture is an intentional design protocol and power-holders have the power, and responsibility I would add, to leverage that in healthy ways, it really opens up a different type of conversation.Heck, it even allows us to re-imagine from a blank page what healthy, just, and fair looks and feels like. If we want to do that.I’m curious how Zena’s comments land with you?Possible interplay between accountability and discomfort “There’s going to be things that emerge where we go, oh, that’s uncomfortable. But if we’ve created a space that goes, yes, but we have to go through the discomfort and this is not about blame or judgement. It is about making people accountable.” - Zena MeThis insight from Zena hits me hard! I have seen for years people confuse the difference between discomfort and accountability.Indeed, I find it particularly interesting that our systems and leadership approaches, generally, reward compliance (less discomfort). Certainly within my context of more traditional industries like chemicals and supply chain.To what extent would you challenge or agree with this, and could this have links to the fact that those with power are not used to and/or are unwilling to be uncomfortable?What are you thinking, feeling, and what are your thoughts?Eldership for social cohesion “There was a lot of trepidation because there was so much division. People were really frightened stepping into that room. But by the end of it, everybody was chatting with one another and they were humanising each other instead of identifying with all these divisions, which is so powerful.” - Zena MeWhen Zena shares this story of facilitating a session with a local political party, it really struck a chord with me. As someone myself that is highly politically active, I have found it difficult at times to have meaningful and uncomfortable/constructive dialogue with fellow party members.For example, ideology can easily dehumanize the ‘other,’ regardless of who that other is, and I observe the same dehumanization happening within big business spaces. Only last week I heard the following statement on an investor call:“We optimised our structure during the second half of the year, to further intensify our sales efforts, and to drive cost effectiveness throughout the company, resulting in an overall reduction in the number of FTEs.”FTEs = human beings with families, part of communities, equally human.Yet financial language allows for a disconnection of decisions taken, and impact made.It seems to me, by design.What are you thinking, feeling, and what are your thoughts?Eldership does not equate to age“So just because you get old doesn’t mean you get to be an elder. So you can get older,and not elder. So being an elder is something very, very different. It’s something that holds space for those rites of passages for the community.”- Zena MeThere are some brilliant, I feel, current examples of what Zena speaks to here.One is Greta Thunberg. Whatever one thinks about her, it is difficult to challenge her eldership in actions and deeds, despite being young in her years. Interestingly people close to me who were highly critical of Greta a few years ago, are today hugely respectful of her.Another is Bisan Owda, a young reporter and survivor of the erasure of the Gazan [people has been ongoing for the past 7-+ years, but accelerated since the awful events of Oct 7th.It is an interesting contrast to look for corporate or big business examples of such eldering in leadership positions. Garry Ridge, from episode 5 of this platform is one lovely example, as is Rafik Zahy in episode 11, however they are not so visibly common in my experience.I’m curious what you are thinking and feeling based on Zena’s clip above, and my own reflections.Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you,I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #19 of the podcast will be published next Mon 2nd March 2026 with executive coach, author, and equine facilitator, Heather Hanson-Wickman:Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Until next time, take care and have as good a week ahead as possible,Garry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hi there,Welcome to a new Monday. Sending you much energy and impact for the week ahead.I’m super excited to introduce you to my next guest, Tim Sutton, who is a brilliant example of healthy masculinity in action as part of episode #18 of In The Business of Healthy Masculinity:Tim Sutton is a strategic instigator with commercial grounding and a mischievous grin. He helps mavericks and rule-breakers build companies that win without selling their souls. Tim’s the kind of guy who can spot the BS in a business model before you finish explaining it—and then sketch a better one on a napkin before your coffee even cools.He’s launched products, brands, and companies; sold enterprise tech to AT&T; led retail innovation at Blockbuster (before it was vintage); and advised Fortune 100 execs on how to play smarter, not safer. His approach isn’t about chasing unicorns—it’s about building real enterprises that treat people like people and ethics like strategy.These days, Tim works with purpose-driven rebels who are rewriting the rules of business. He arms them with frameworks that make ethical decisions look like unfair advantages, lights fires under tired teams, and builds tech tools that simplify the complex. If you’re trying to build something principled, powerful, and just a little subversive—Tim’s the guy you want in your corner.He lives in San Diego with his wife Kimberly (a badass author and leadership entrepreneur), their son, and more big ideas than he has time to chase. When he’s not behind a keyboard or a camera, he’s training for the next marathon.Today’s episode is all about reclaiming our agency, at least that’s what I took away from the conversation:Thank you to Anna deNardin for her amazing artistic support.You can find out more about Tim and his work at his LinkedIn.As well as in this substack, you can also find this conversation on the following platforms:* Apple* Spotify* YouTubeI am SUPER excited to learn what you take away, what you may challenge, and anything else.Exercising new muscles“I’m writing a screenplay right now. So I’m exercising new muscles and doing things that I’ve never done before. Writing a screenplay for a prestige horror series.” - Tim SuttonI genuinely had no idea that Tim was working on this screenplay, and I loved that feeling of being jolted by surprise! Tim’s curiosity and passion to seek out new experiences is super inspiring.When did you last consciously seek a new experience? A memorable time that I remember experiencing a similar jolt was when I was speaking at Cornell Thomas’s Positivity Summit (if you are US-based especially, his next event is on Fri 15th May 2026, I‘ll be there too - sign up HERE), and his wife Melissa and I were struggling to get my slides to work. Unbeknownst to me, Cornell had looked at Melissa and said “don’t make it work, he’s good,” and what followed was 30 minutes of pure flow and story telling around Change Is An Inside Job. It was honestly the best talk I have ever given, and I appreciate Cornell for seeing that potential in me. In case curious, you can see some highlights below:Do you have an example of a skill, talent, or experience that has had you leaning into discomfort and possibility? Do share in the comments below.Artistically pursuing outcomes“That’s a really difficult jump to make, you know, because it feels a little bit irresponsible. It feels a little bit frivolous. It feels a little bit, you know, again, counter to those things, those messages you might have heard growing up.” - Tim SuttonWhat I find super interesting is Tim’s use of ‘feeling.’ Coming from a similar generation, I was educated not to feel, not to explore those feelings, just ignore them and stuff them down.Who gets to decide what is and is not ‘responsible’?It reminds me of the old-age discussions around ‘professionalism.’ Who gets to decide what is and is not accepted as ‘professional.’Narratives and conditioning are SO deep, yet too rarely do we create the space to reflect and interrogate our own narratives, let alone the narratives and patterns that we take on as ‘normal.’Yet as Tim shares during this conversation the power imbalance seems to be shifting away from just corporations dictating, to each of us re-designing what ‘loyalty’ looks and feels like.So many layers, so much opportunity. I just love how curious Tim is and wonder what you take away from this clip and wider conversation?Positive agency as an antidote to corporate capture“I would say that what I’ve seen is the pendulum has swung much more towards corporate environments that are based on capture, like cut and capture, than they are on building a great culture.” - Tim SuttonThis is a view that I have witnessed first hand, and in real-time. Multinational corporations are seen as innocent generators of growth and wealth, however what underpins them are interconnected supply chains of harm, whether consciously understood or otherwise.Watching the tens of thousands of layoffs over the past 12 months, even though companies are still making often sizeable profits, really reinforces Tim’s point for me. It is important to note the wider context that Tim is not anti-capitalist, he just doesn’t see these spaces as the best use of his time.Are there better, healthier ways to work, create, and even be? I feel so. What are you thinking and what are your thoughts?Tim’s super-objective“I don’t want to see the big corporations who are just for profit win. I want to work with the small entrepreneurs and rebels inside of organizations, to give them a path to do things that are outrageous.” - Tim Sutton“To give them a path to do things that are outrageous.” What a gorgeous statement and what is even more fun is hearing Tim talk about his own #superobjective which was clarified by the amazing tool that he and his wife Kimberly co-created as part of her work on #BraveLeadership.I clarified my own super objective via the Now Be Brave website as:“Create honest spaces where people drop their masks and face reality together without fear”This substack and the podcast is literally an embodiment of the above.What could you clarify for yourself today by working through the super objective tool today?Check it out at https://nowbebrave.com/ and help Kimberly and Tim democratise brave.Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you,I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards a healthier relationship with yourself and those around you, and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #19 of the podcast will be published next Mon 23rd Feb 2026 with Constellations, Systems, and Eldership guide Zena Me:Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Until next time, take care and have as good a week ahead as possible,Garry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hi there,How are you doing? I am finding it oddly refreshing! Whilst there is much harm and damage unfolding, the mask of supremacy culture is well and truly ripped off with the unravelling of the interconnections between Epstein, the business and political elites, and even the Israeli government/Mossad. What seems to have been sold as conspiracy seems more and more like conspira-fact!! How are you following and interpreting world event sat this time, I’d love to hear from you.However back to what YOU and I can control, another week, and another incredible conversation is coming your way as above/below :)I am humbled to introduce you to a truly incredible human in John Engle, who joins me on episode #17 of In The Business of Healthy Masculinity:John Engle is a social entrepreneur and nonprofit leader. He is a recipient of WorldBlu’s Lifetime Achievement Award for his work advancing democratic practice and freedom-centered leadership. For more than three decades, John has been deeply engaged in Haiti, where he serves as a co-founder of Haiti Partners in the U.S. and The Children’s Academy and Learning Center in Haiti, serving over 500 PreK through high school students and led by an all-woman leadership team.John’s journey has been shaped by early lessons in usefulness, responsibility, and service, values he continues to explore through his writing, coaching, and speaking. He is currently working on a teaching memoir that weaves together personal stories, leadership reflections, and questions of legacy in a rapidly changing world.John has been contracted by organizations such as the World Bank and USAID to facilitate large-group meetings and conferences using the Open Space method. In addition to serving as Haiti Partners’ Co-Director, John is in the process of becoming a certified life coach, with a focus on helping individuals and organizations grow deeper meaning, purpose, and connection, and the courage to act on what matters most.You can reach/follow John via the following means:Substack - https://substack.com/@englejohnLinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnengle/Email - john@johnengle.comAs well as in this substack, you can also find this conversation on the following platforms:* Apple* Spotify* YouTubeA reminder that this conversation is sponsored by the amazing space holder Hannah Litt. If you would value 1-1 or team safe spaces, do reach out to her at hannah@hannahlitt.com, or click the image below:The impact of women in leadership “The role of women in my work and in leadership in the work that I’ve been involved with Haiti has been absolutely essential in terms of having a positive impact. So for me, there are so many qualities that are more aligned with feminine that are so essential for us.” - John EngleThere is little I can add to this potent statement by John. How does his reflections land with you, in your heart as well as head? Do share with us in the comments below.Yet I will add that when I look at my global personal learning network, I have observed a pattern over the past decade that easily 70% + of the leaders, activists, challengers of the status quo, and creatives that I interact with are women.I often reflect on why that may be, and one hypothesis I hold is that the system is designed for folx that look like me to stay comfortable and to never need to challenge and rebel.To what extent would you challenge, agree, or build on my personal reflections?John’s ultimate question“There’s this question that has been that has stayed with me for forty five years and has shaped my life and that is how do we live and ultimately die well” - John EngleHave you ever reflected upon a question like this before? Please let us know in the comments.I have found it fascinating reading Bronnie Ware’s ‘5 regrets of The Dying,’ which gives me some insight into answering this question, but I am blown away that John has sat with this question for four and half decades.After having my near-death experience getting testicular cancer in 2020, I do feel able to feel into John’s question, and the 5 regrets, yet how differently could the world could look and feel if we started with how do we design life and systems to help us ALL live and die well?The time is now!“The stakes are higher than ever for humanity with nuclear, with climate change. There’s just so many different things, with AI and the ability to concentrate power. This is when we have to change.” - John EngleJohn’s insight is so critically important here. I myself still work within the chemicals / multinational environment and I can assure you that those with power are not joining the dots that John is joining here - whether due to wilful blindness and/or ignorance.The sponsor of this platform, Hannah Litt (she/her), often says we have to re-imagine and build new systems and ways of being based on mutual exchange, not relying on a central power base, and this is becoming increasingly clear to me.What are you thinking and what are your thoughts with regards to these intersections and interconnections? What are you seeing and seeing as possibilities that can help us co-create healthier and more just? Please do share in the comments.The (embodied) power of healthy masculinity “When money and power are taken off the table, leadership has to be rooted in humility, stewardship, and purpose. And that’s the power. That’s the power of healthy masculinity. Where it creates space for this.” - John EngleThis statement from John really encapsulates a) the seed through which this platform emerged and b) the piercing clarity that we already have within us what we need to reimagine and co-create better, healthier, and more just.Humility, stewardship, and purpose are not gendered. They are wholly possible for every single one of us, however we identify, and THAT is powerful.A common pattern throughout the first 17 episodes of this platform has been the importance of consciously balancing our masculine and feminine energies.The unhealthy masculine side of power-over, domination, and control, with a myopic focus on financial returns is that which tends to get rewarded today, combined with the healthy feminine of care, listening, and co-creation, generally, being oppressed, devalued, and suppressed.It is SO the time for us to reclaim our self worth and agency and we can ALL do that from the inside-out of ourselves, and whilst in community.Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you,I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards healthier masculinity and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #18 of the podcast will be published next Mon 16th Feb 2026 with Entrepreneur and business disruptor Tim Sutton.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Until next time, take care and have as good a week ahead as possible,Garry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe

Hello again,Welcome to February 2026! I’m not sure about you, but I feel like we have gone through another 12 months just during January !! But here we are, still going …..As always, my thanks to Anna deNardin for her graphic and artwork support to help bring these conversations even more to life.This podcast is sponsored by Hannah Litt. The work that she does around holding safe spaces for leaders, delivering keynote talks and fireside chats, and building community spaces all has a very strong values-alignment with the ethos of this podcast Systems & Soul with Hannah Litt I am super excited to introduce you to my next guest on the In The Business of Healthy Masculinity, Vanessa Pereria:Vanessa Pereira is an award-winning Self-Leadership Coach & Speaker, recognized with the Bold & Unstoppable Award 2025 for her transformative work empowering women to lead from within. With 18 years of navigating the corporate environment and overcoming personal life challenges, Vanessa is an expert in self-leadership and purpose-driven transformation. She coaches women across the globe to redefine success and lead with inner confidence, decisiveness, and self-trust. Featured in Authority Magazine for her Four Foundational Pillars of Self-Leadership, she blends science, faith, and deep inner work to light a spark for women to elevate their self-worth…inside and outside the workplace. Through her coaching programs and multiple workshop trainings, Vanessa guides women to shift from doing to BEING, the modern route to conscious leadership (no fancy titles required).Vanessa’s Contact Details:* Stay motivated with V on: LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook* Get started on your journey (chat with V): Schedule a free callEmail V for any questions/feedback: info@vanessarosepereira.comLet’s dive into this weeks conversation:You can find this whole ‘In The Business of Healthy Masculinity’ conversation on the following platforms:* Apple* Spotify* YouTubeBreaking patterns“The next generation, my generation now, is rewriting all of that. We’re not carrying those patterns again.” - Vanessa PereiraIt is especially potent that Rich Cooper spoke on last week’s episode about breaking patterns, and here we are again with Vanessa sharing some very powerful and visceral stories about her own experience of pattern-breaking.I deeply empathise with this after breaking my own patterns around emotional suppression and the fear of asking for help some years ago, patterns handed down to me from previous generations.What personal and organisational patterns need to be broken within your context?Who may you be able to align with in that regard to avoid feeling lonely (as I often have)?Please share in the comments below and let’s keep this conversation flowing, as it is so critically important, in and outside of business.Corporate and cultural conditioning - The chicken and/or the egg?“Throughout my entire life, I spent it living what other people said I needed to live by. And when you get into the corporate world, that just gets heightened even more. It’s not about the corporate world, but it’s about the culture and the conditioning.” - Vanessa PereiraI empathise so much with what Vanessa speaks to RIGHT NOW within big business, and beyond. At a time where we are getting live-streamed images of all-sorts, business leaders push all of that to the side in pursuit of solely profit.There is a huge lack of safety to speak about anything that is not linked to making profit, and through that we see global disengagement at 79%. Too often we, and I, speak about the low engagement stats, but let’s get real about the state of DIS-engagement.So one has to ask, if our culture and conditioning rewards disengagement and compliance, what is going to tip the balance in another direction?How do we make a dent in our individual and collective cultural conditioning?What are you thinking, feeling, and what are your thoughts? Please let us know in the comments, your perspectives.Consciously balancing masculine and feminine energy/traits“You need to have a balance of both (masculine and feminine energy). So you need to be driven, of course, and take action. And at the same time, we need to have self-trusting in knowing that I don’t need to chase for anything.” - Vanessa PereiraWhat comes up for you when you watch this clip/read Vanessa’s words?For me her message mirrors the beauty and confusion of paradox. For 5-600 years under Western-led colonization, we have been conditioned to follow binary thinking (either/or), or to hang our self-worth and identity on things ‘outside’ of ourselves i.e job title, how much money we have etc, yet all the time we have had the innate ability to handle complexity, to embrace the ‘yes/and,’ to be soft AND strong.I witness daily how damaging and even abusive so-called leaders are when operating in hyper-masculine, with zero feminine energy to balance. This often leads to silencing of voices, control, and sub-optimal performance.What may you add, challenge, or build on this conversation? Please share your experience in the comments and expand the conversation.You don’t have to quit your 9-5“Entrepreneurship is not for everyone. And the nine to five, there's nothing wrong with it. We just need to shift our perspective on how we're looking at things and what we're really relying on for our worthiness.” - Vanessa PereiraYet again, Vanessa’s words land with me very deeply, personally.I have been building Radicality.co.uk on the side for the past 18 months whilst still working full-time in the corporate space, and I will continue to do so.It has taken a LOT of inner work and awareness-raising for me to realise that no matter where I work, under the current patriarchal and supremacist culture, I will always be BEing harmed, and harming others as part of interconnected harmful systems.How do we leverage our 9-5 and/or entrepreneurial energy to have an impact is the key question, and one that Vanessa invites us into powerfully.What are you thinking, feeling, and what is your perspective? Please add to the conversation in the comments.Until next timeWe hope that you join us in this exploration, and please do feed back and share with your networks if you are getting value.Finally, if any of the above questions have ignited curiosity within you,I am here if you are looking for a 1-1 Thinking Partner that can be in your corner by voice note, virtually, and in-person, I have found 5 x 60 minutes calls + unlimited voice note communication to work the best.If you are ready to embrace the journey towards healthier masculinity and the goodness that brings, at home and at work, drop me a line at garry.turner@radicality.co.uk.Episode #17 of the podcast will be published next Mon 9th Feb 2026 with NGO-co-founder, author, and gorgeous human, John Engle.Here is a clip to whet your appetite in advance:I am always interested in your reflections, challenges, and anything else that piques your curiosity with these updates.Until next time, take care and have as good a week ahead as possible,Garry Turnergarry.turner@radicality.co.ukRadicality.co.uk+44 7928 979358 Get full access to In The Business of Healthy Masculinity at inbusinessofhealthymasculinity.substack.com/subscribe