

A World of Difference
Lori Adams-Brown
A World of Difference: Leadership, Culture & Travel Podcast
Welcome to A World of Difference, a top 3% global podcast where authentic leadership meets cross-cultural wisdom. Host Lori Adams-Brown, a strategic transformation executive and multilingual global leader, brings you real conversations with bestselling authors, nonprofit changemakers, C-suite executives, and thought leaders who are redefining what it means to lead with purpose.
This isn't surface-level leadership content. We dive deep into psychological safety in leadership, organizational culture transformation, differentiation strategies, global leadership development, and how cross-cultural communication shapes the future of work. Whether you're a CEO navigating organizational change, an HR leader building inclusive cultures, or a manager seeking authentic leadership skills, these conversations will challenge how you think and lead.
From travel as cultural education to ethics in business to emotional intelligence for executives, each episode offers actionable insights for leaders who believe our differences make us stronger. If you're tired of cookie-cutter business podcasts and want meaningful conversations that bridge culture, society, and leadership, you're home. Pull up a seat at the table with us.
Welcome to A World of Difference, a top 3% global podcast where authentic leadership meets cross-cultural wisdom. Host Lori Adams-Brown, a strategic transformation executive and multilingual global leader, brings you real conversations with bestselling authors, nonprofit changemakers, C-suite executives, and thought leaders who are redefining what it means to lead with purpose.
This isn't surface-level leadership content. We dive deep into psychological safety in leadership, organizational culture transformation, differentiation strategies, global leadership development, and how cross-cultural communication shapes the future of work. Whether you're a CEO navigating organizational change, an HR leader building inclusive cultures, or a manager seeking authentic leadership skills, these conversations will challenge how you think and lead.
From travel as cultural education to ethics in business to emotional intelligence for executives, each episode offers actionable insights for leaders who believe our differences make us stronger. If you're tired of cookie-cutter business podcasts and want meaningful conversations that bridge culture, society, and leadership, you're home. Pull up a seat at the table with us.
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May 14, 2024 • 52min
Beyond Borders: How a Third Culture Kid Learned to Love Across Differences with Michael Sullivan
Are you ready for a living abroad story with an unexpected twist? What if I told you that a TCK, who has traversed the globe and faced earthquake disasters, is now crowd-funding a memoir that unveils his journey through polarized worlds? This is not your ordinary travelogue. Join me in uncovering the heart-wrenching and inspiring stories that have shaped Michael Sullivan's life. Stay tuned for a peek into a world where personal growth and societal impact collide in unexpected ways. Trust me, this is a narrative you don't want to miss.In this episode, you will be able to:
Discover the transformative benefits of therapy for personal growth and self-awareness.
Navigate the unique challenges and growth opportunities of being a Third Culture Kid.
Unleash the power of personal storytelling through memoir writing for self-discovery and connection.
Learn how to build bridges and foster understanding in a polarized world.
Explore the profound impact of immigration on personal and societal levels.
My special guest is Michael SullivanAs the host of the "Where Are You From? A TCK Podcast," Michael Sullivan brings a wealth of personal and professional experiences to the table. Growing up and living as an expat in different countries, from Thailand to the Philippines, and now residing in Turkey as an English language expert, Michael's journey as a Third Culture Kid (TCK) is both captivating and insightful. His forthcoming book, "Building Bridges: Can We Love and Relate in a Polarized World," dives into the impact of immigration and the challenges of cultural identity, offering a fresh and empathetic take on these pertinent issues. With his unique blend of memoir storytelling and global perspective, Michael is a compelling guest for anyone seeking personal growth, self-awareness, and a deeper understanding of the world's diverse cultures.We don't have to be completely comfortable with the way other people think, but we certainly can learn something from them. - Michael SullivanThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast and Guest00:01:03 - Sponsorship and Personal Growth00:02:40 - Welcoming Michael Sullivan00:05:28 - Connection through Global Experiences00:12:21 - Immigration and Understanding Perspectives00:16:03 - Journey from Venezuela to New Mexico00:17:12 - Unresolved Grief and Pain00:18:07 - Bridging First and Third Worlds00:20:51 - Overcoming Fear and Embracing Differences00:31:53 - Hope for the Future00:33:25 - The importance of understanding others00:34:48 - The necessity of facing challenges00:37:03 - The process of healing and growth00:40:17 - Finding purpose in adversity00:43:53 - Crowdfunding the book 00:48:02 - Building Bridges and Making a Difference00:48:40 - Exclusive Interview with Michael Sullivan00:49:15 - Join the Difference Maker Community00:49:40 - Connect and Share in the Community00:50:28 - Keep Making a DifferenceFollow us:https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifferencehttps://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifferencehttps://twitter.com/awodpodhttps://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifferencewww.tiktok.com/@aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

May 8, 2024 • 60min
Tia Levings on The Well-Trained Wife
Do you want to understand how survivors of religious trauma are finding the strength to reclaim their lives and make a difference? Join us as we explore a story of resilience, transformation, and healing in the face of religious abuse and domestic violence. We'll be sharing the solution so that you can achieve that result. Get ready to hear a shocking and moving story of how a survivor escaped when her life depended on it.Trauma took your past, but it does not have to have your present and your future, too. And you are the one in charge of that. - Tia LevingsIn this episode, you will be able to:
Explore personal stories of escaping Christian patriarchy and find inspiration for your own journey to empowerment.
Learn about the profound impact of religious trauma on mental health and discover strategies for healing and resilience.
Uncover the complexities of domestic violence within religious contexts and gain insights into supporting survivors.
Gain a deep understanding of deconstructing fundamentalism in modern politics and its implications on society.
Discover effective strategies for healing and recovery from religious abuse, empowering yourself to move forward with strength and confidence.
My special guest is Tia LevingsTia Levings is an insightful writer, podcaster, and speaker, with a focus on the realities of Christian fundamentalism, evangelical patriarchy, and religious trauma. Her expertise has been featured in notable publications such as Salon, the Huffington Post, and Newsweek. As a content strategist, Tia delves into the impact of religious trauma on mental health, domestic violence within religious contexts, and the deconstruction of fundamentalism in modern politics, shedding light on these critical issues. Her forthcoming memoir, "A Well Trained Wife," chronicles her personal journey of escaping Christian patriarchy, presenting a compelling and courageous narrative that promises to resonate with those seeking empowerment and healing from religious abuse. Tia's work is driven by her passion for advocating resilience and recovery from religious trauma. Tia is on Instagram, LinkedIn, TikTokThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introducing Tia Levings00:01:17 - Trigger Warning and Self-Care00:02:25 - Growing Up in Mainstream Fundamentalism00:05:22 - Trauma and Dogmatism00:07:42 - Effects of Fundamentalism on Women00:14:08 - The Influence of High Control Religion00:15:34 - The Pressure of Traditional Gender Roles00:16:55 - Red Flags and High Control Religion00:20:47 - The Manipulative Nature of Patriarchy00:25:53 - Addressing Pushbacks and Myths00:27:34 - The Incredulity of Religious Trauma00:28:22 - Challenges in Seeking Justice00:29:26 - Empowering Survivors00:32:35 - Finding Solidarity and Community00:38:27 - Building Healthy Relationships00:41:09 - The Impact of Religious Trauma00:43:18 - Coping with Discomfort and Denial00:44:50 - Healing from Religious Trauma00:46:31 - Advocating for Survivors00:53:18 - Taking Action and Making a Difference00:56:22 - Understanding Mental Illness and Abuse00:57:11 - Seeking Justice for Mica00:57:45 - Supporting Victims of Domestic Violence00:58:30 - Making a Difference Follow us:https://www.patreon.com/aworldofdifferencehttps://www.instagram.com/aworldof.difference/https://www.linkedin.com/company/aworldofdifferencehttps://twitter.com/awodpodhttps://www.youtube.com/@aworldofdifferencewww.tiktok.com/@aworldofdifference Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 24, 2024 • 30min
Lori Adams-Brown on Learning to Dance in the Rain
Hey there, difference makers and global leaders! Ever feel like you've been told to just "toughen up" when facing life's challenges? Maybe you've tried to push through the pain and suffering, only to find yourself feeling overwhelmed and exhausted? If that sounds familiar, you're not alone. Let's talk about building resilience and embracing vulnerability to navigate life's twists and turns in a healthier way.In this episode, you will be able to:
Strengthen your leadership skills by building resilience in the face of challenges.
Unlock your potential for success by cultivating a growth mindset.
Discover the power of self-care in navigating life's obstacles and maintaining balance.
Master strategies for overcoming jet lag to make the most of your travels.
Embrace vulnerability and emotions to unlock personal growth and self-discovery.
Resilience isn't necessarily about avoiding adversity, because let's just be real. Life has pain and suffering in it. And if we ignore that, that's not increasing our resilience. It's only burying that deep inside our bodies in a way that it will spill out later through some unresolved grief. - Lori Adams BrownBuilding Resilience as a LeaderEffective leadership involves building resilience to navigate challenges and setbacks. Resilient leaders can inspire and motivate others through their own ability to bounce back from adversity. By embracing vulnerability and learning from difficult experiences, leaders can cultivate resilience that strengthens their decision-making and problem-solving skills.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Visit www.betterhelp.com/difference for 10% off your first month of therapy with BetterHelp. This offer is specifically for the listeners of the podcast and is a gift from the host to help you understand what it takes to move forward in a healthier way.
Join the Patreon community Difference Makers at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to access exclusive episodes, interact with other listeners, and receive sneak peeks into upcoming events and giveaways. Different tiers are available, starting at $5 a month.
Share your tips and tricks for building resilience, especially for those who travel and work through jet lag, speak at events and conferences, and maintain connections with family back home. Engage with the community and contribute to the conversation.
Reach out to the host if you're in a location where she's traveling and would like to meet. Listeners are encouraged to connect with the host during her travels and share how the podcast has impacted them.
Embrace challenges, cultivate resilience, and discover the strength and courage within yourself. Prioritize self-care and resilience-building, and model this behavior for others to give them permission to do the same. Let the host know how you're building resilience on social media or in our Difference Makers community.
Resilience isn't just about weathering the storm. It's actually about learning to find joy, and find even joy memories in your own past that can help you walk through that resilience. - Lori Adams BrownThe key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Embracing Resilience in Life00:02:00 - Resilience During Travel00:03:07 - Prioritizing Self-Compassion00:05:09 - Discovering Inner Resilience00:08:15 - Cultivating Resilience00:13:23 - Building Resilience During Travel00:15:13 - Cultivating a Growth Mindset00:19:43 - Building Resilient Communities00:21:40 - Finding Joy and Resilience
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Apr 17, 2024 • 55min
Jemar Tisby and Doug Strong on Awakening to Justice
If you're feeling overwhelmed by the complexities of racial justice and faith intersections, and wondering how to truly make a difference, then you are not alone! The struggle to understand the historical context and apply it to modern-day challenges can be daunting. Many may be seeking guidance on how to effectively navigate these issues and create meaningful change.Jemar Tisby, the New York Times bestselling author of "The Color of Compromise," is a historian, author, and speaker. His work has been featured in reputable platforms such as CNN, the Washington Post, the Atlantic, and the New York Times. Jemar's expertise in addressing the truth about the American church's complicity in racism makes him a significant voice in the intersection of faith and racial justice. As a PhD candidate in history at the University of Mississippi, his commitment to shedding light on historical lessons from abolitionist movements and advocating for social reform through interracial solidarity is evident in his work. Jemar's impact extends beyond academia as he is the founder and president of the Witness of Black Christian Collective and the co-host of the Pass the Mic podcast. His dedication to historical research and advocacy for justice makes him an influential figure in the conversation on racial equity and social change.Doug Strong, an esteemed author and professor with a wealth of knowledge in American religious history, specifically focusing on the 19th-century revivalism and social reform, is a vital voice in the discussion of faith and racial justice. With an MDIV and a PhD from Princeton Theological Seminary, Doug's expertise and dedication to understanding the historical abolitionist movements bring valuable insights to the current social and racial justice landscape. As a committed pastor and a professor at Seattle Pacific University, Doug's passion for intercultural learning and his extensive experience in leading students on international trips underscore his commitment to shaping a global perspective on faith and justice. His contributions to the Awakening to Justice: Faithful Voices from the Abolitionist Past project reflect his deep understanding of the impact of historical narratives on contemporary social reform.The theological, the Christian principle of loving your neighbor as yourself is still applicable in that situation. And what it forces us to do is to try to perceive the world from another person's perspective, which is what a world of difference podcast is all about. - Jemar TisbyIn this episode, you will be able to:
Explore the profound impact of faith on driving meaningful change in racial justice movements.
Uncover valuable historical insights and powerful tactics used by abolitionist movements to inspire modern-day activism.
Discover the pivotal role of interracial solidarity in advancing social reform and creating lasting change.
Learn actionable strategies from historical abolitionists to empower and guide today's activists in their advocacy work.
The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Visit awakeningtojustice.com for free resources related to the book Awakening to Justice: Faithful Voices from the Abolitionist Past, including a discussion guide, sermon ideas, music suggestions, worship song ideas, and a 35-minute film documentary.
Order a copy of "Awakening to Justice," at: https://www.ivpress.com/awakening-to-justice and get a discount just for A World of Difference podcast listeners with promo code: IVPPOD20
Subscribe to Jemar Tisby's substack at jemartisby.substack.com for more of his writing and insights on racial justice and faith.
The justification follows the action. In the case of us race-based chattel slavery, slaveholders were going to get their money. They were going to find laborers. They were going to increase their bottom line by not paying them. And then they were going to come up with the rationale and the reasoning to justify it. - Jemar Tisby Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 10, 2024 • 38min
Songwriting As Self-Expression: Shannan Copland's Journey From Self-Doubt To Embracing Her Voice
Does this sound familiar? Have you ever felt the pressure of unrealistic expectations weighing you down, leaving you questioning your worth? It's a struggle many of us face, especially as women, and it can be incredibly disheartening. But what if there was a way to break free from the cycle and embrace your true self-worth? Let's dive into how embracing individuality and self-worth through empowering messages in music can transform your life.My special guest is Shannan CoplandShannan Copland, an indie pop artist based in Portland, Oregon, is recognized for her impactful and relatable music as a singer/songwriter. Born and raised in the SF Bay Area, California, she studied music from a young age, with a strong foundation in piano and vocal training. Collaborating with musicians and educators globally, including ones in Norway, Italy, and Portugal, has enriched her musical style with diverse cultural influences. With a love for piano and voice, she involved herself in every musical opportunity available and her passion for songwriting ignited during her teenage years. After high school, Shannan toured the United States with a group singing in schools and also performed in a theater. Her upcoming release "Enough" is poised to further empower women by promoting self-worth and authenticity. Shannan's music contains powerful messages that resonate with audiences, offering a source of strength and self-acceptance, particularly for women navigating their unique journeys.Shannan and her husband spent the first decade of their marriage mostly living abroad in Portugal and Italy where they started a non-profit organization together. Working with talented musicians, artists and individuals from around the globe combined with her experiences living abroad have influenced her perspectives on life and the world around her which also reflect in her songwriting. Now, as she releases her own music, Shannan hopes to encourage, inspire, and provoke deeper thought through her music for listeners.Her newest single “Enough” releases on April 12 and serves as the underlying anthem of much of her music. With its driving pop rock beat, “Enough” inspires listeners to be their authentic selves, reject image management, and not let other’s opinions or standards hold them back from achieving their aspirations."You are enough. The world may think otherwise of you, but it doesn't matter. Their opinions do not change your worth. Stand in that worth." - Shannan CoplandIn this episode, you will be able to:
Discover how Shannan Copland's indie pop music inspires self-acceptance and empowerment for women.
Explore the profound impact of music on boosting self-worth and confidence for women.
Uncover the creative songwriting process and inspirational sources behind empowering music for women.
Understand the diverse cultural perspectives on modesty and beauty and their influence on harmful expectations for women.
The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Sign up for Shannan Copland's newsletter on her website, ShannanCopland.com, to get an early sneak peek and listen to her new song Enough before its official release on April 12.
Follow Shannan Copland on Instagram and other social platforms at ShannonCoplandmusic to stay updated on her latest releases and news.
Listen to Shannan Copland's new song Enough on Spotify or your preferred music streaming platform on April 12, and share it with your friends and family to spread the empowering message.
Stay tuned for Shannan Copland's upcoming releases, including a fun summer song and an emotional track for Mother's Day, to continue experiencing her meaningful and thought-provoking music.
"I want people to, after they hear this song, just to feel liberated and feel that they're worthy and that they can go out and face whatever challenges they have ahead in their own skin and be confident in that." - Shannan Copland Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Apr 3, 2024 • 56min
Elaine Lin Hering on Overcoming Barriers to Speaking Up
Unlearning silence isn't just about finding your voice; it's about recognizing the ways we've all been complicit in silencing others. And the surprising insights from a Harvard lecturer will have you rethinking the impact of silence in your world. Join the conversation to uncover the hidden ways we contribute to silence and discover how to foster inclusive communication. It's time to unlearn the silence that holds us back. Stay tuned for the unexpected wisdom that will leave you reevaluating your role in creating a more inclusive world.My special guest is Elaine Lin Hering.Elaine Lin Hering is a renowned facilitator, speaker, and writer with extensive experience in communication, collaboration, and conflict management. Drawing from her background as a former managing partner of Triad Consulting Group and a lecturer at Harvard Law School, Elaine's expertise spans across various industries and continents, working with corporate, government, and nonprofit clients. Her personal journey as an immigrant from Taiwan to the United States adds a unique perspective to her work, diving deep into the impact of cultural differences on communication and strategies for inclusive leadership. With her compelling insights and vulnerability, Elaine's book, Unlearning Silence: How to Speak Your Mind, Unleash Talent, and Live More Fully, resonates with individuals seeking to navigate the complexities of silence and voice in personal and professional growth.In what ways are the often very well-intentioned people around me, such as my manager, who in their heart of hearts wants to support me, actually silencing me? - Elaine Lin HeringIn this episode, you will be able to:
Embrace the power of inclusive communication and unlearn silence in professional environments.
Enhance your communication and collaboration skills to foster a more inclusive work environment.
Explore the impact of cultural differences on communication and how it influences team dynamics.
Discover effective strategies for inclusive leadership and building stronger team dynamics.
Understand the role of silence in personal and professional growth, and how it can positively impact your workplace interactions.
Embrace the Power of Inclusive CommunicationInclusive communication in professional environments is essential for fostering a sense of belonging and diversity. By embracing diverse voices and perspectives, teams can collaborate more effectively and achieve better results. Creating a space where everyone feels heard and valued cultivates a positive work culture and promotes innovation.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Join the Difference Maker Community at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to access exclusive episodes and support the show for as little as $5 a month.
Follow Lori Adams-Brown on Twitter @loriadbr and on Instagram @loriadamsbrown to stay connected and share your suggestions for future guests on the show.
Check out Elaine Lin Hering's book Unlearning How to Speak Your Mind, Unleash Talent, and Live More Fully to gain deeper insights into unlearning silence and fostering a more inclusive environment.
Consider reaching out to Lori Adams-Brown to share your stories and experiences, as well as to suggest individuals who are making a difference and could be featured on the podcast.
Explore the wisdom and advice shared by Elaine Lin Hering in the exclusive episode available in the Difference Maker Community, where she provides insights on self-care, resilience, and navigating challenging spaces.
Being explicit doesn't mean that you have to be direct. Being explicit means, 'Oh, read the air. That's what is happening here. Can we name it?' - Elaine Lin Hering Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 27, 2024 • 20min
The Equal Rights Amendment
Did you know that the Equal Rights Amendment, aimed at guaranteeing equal rights regardless of sex, has not yet been enshrined in the US Constitution? It's a surprising reality, especially when considering the global efforts for women's equality. In this episode, we'll uncover the resilience, setbacks, and ongoing advocacy surrounding the ERA in the United States, while also delving into the international bill of rights for women known as CEDAW. But here's the kicker - despite strides made through international efforts, disparities persist, underscoring the need for continued advocacy and support. Join us as we unravel the surprising history and explore what can be done to champion gender equality. This is a call to action for making a real difference in the fight for women's rights. Stay tuned for an eye-opening revelation that will spark your curiosity and inspire you to take action.In this episode, you will be able to:
Discover the transformative benefits of therapy for personal growth and empowerment.
Uncover the profound impact and historical significance of the Equal Rights Amendment.
Explore the global efforts and impact of CEDAW in advancing women's equality worldwide.
Learn about the pivotal role of grassroots campaigns in driving political movements for gender equality.
Understand the vital importance of voting for advocates of gender equality in creating lasting change.
It's time. It's 2024, and all these other countries around the world have signed the CEDAW agreement, and the United States still hasn't. And also, we don't have an ERA for our own constitution, so what can we do? - Lori Adams BrownGlobal efforts of CEDAWThe Convention on the Elimination of all forms of discrimination against women (CEDAW) is an international treaty that aims to end discrimination against women in all forms. Global efforts under CEDAW highlight the importance of gender equality and the need for legislative measures to protect and promote women's rights. Supporting CEDAW initiatives can contribute to creating a more just and equal society for all individuals.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Visit www.betterhelp.com/difference to get 10% off your first month of therapy.
Donate to Justice Revival at www.justicerevival.org/donate to contribute to initiatives aimed at advancing gender equality, including efforts to promote the ratification of the ERA and uphold the principles of CEDAW.
Join the #Faith4ERA campaign at Justice Revival with any faith community to bring your experience and perspective around the movement for women's rights.
Join the Difference Maker community at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifferences to access exclusive episodes, interact with exclusive posts, share your thoughts, and influence the direction of the podcast.
Support organizations dedicated to the cause of gender equality, such as Justice Revival, by donating and standing in solidarity with women everywhere to ensure that the promise of equality becomes a reality for all.
Human rights, women's rights, which are human rights, is so important. There's a lot of things we can get wrong, but that should just be a basic foundation. - Lori Adams BrownImpactful Equal Rights AmendmentThe Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) in the US aims to constitutionally guarantee equal rights under the law for all genders. Despite facing hurdles and delays, the ERA remains critical in advancing gender equality and ensuring fair treatment for all individuals. Advocating for the ratification of the ERA is essential to promoting equal rights and opportunities for women and girls.Together, we can come together with our differences, male allies, women on behalf of our daughters and granddaughters and future generations, but also for us now. - Lori Adams Brown Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mar 13, 2024 • 52min
Weaving Together Beauty From Brokenness: An Artist's Journey Of Trauma Recovery with Erin Hung
If you're feeling the weight of past trauma and struggling to find healing, then you are not alone! Many individuals have tried traditional methods of healing without finding the relief they seek. Instead of finding validation and empowerment through conventional means, there's a unique path to healing waiting to be discovered through creativity and art.My special guest is Erin HungErin Hung, an artist residing in Hong Kong, brings two decades of experience in the art and design space, collaborating with prominent global brands such as Chronicle Books, American Greetings, Liberty of London, and Selfridges. Her creative journey, spanning from illustration work to murals and community art, is intertwined with her deep commitment to advocacy. A graduate from Central St. Martins School of Art and Sotheby's Institute in London, Erin's practice now revolves around amplifying voices at the fringes, working closely with mental health organizations and NGOs like UNHCR. Her profound insight into the healing power of creativity, stemming from her own experiences with religious trauma, has led her to spearhead the social media movement "A to Z of trauma recovery," inviting survivors and marginalized communities to heal creatively together. With her compelling art and thoughtful advocacy, Erin is a beacon of inspiration and empowerment.Therapy is not just for those who are in crisis, although it's definitely for that. But therapy is also a place where you're just stepping into your own skin, figuring out who you are, what it is you're offering to the world around us, and how you're making the world a better place. - Lori Adams BrownIn this episode, you will be able to:
Discover the transformative power of healing through creativity and art for personal growth and emotional well-being.
Uncover the impact of spiritual abuse on faith and explore ways to navigate and heal from this trauma.
Embrace the role of therapy as a catalyst for personal growth and self-discovery, unlocking your full potential.
Navigate the intricate layers of cultural and religious identity, finding empowerment and validation through self-exploration.
Experience the profound benefits of somatic practices for trauma recovery, fostering a deeper connection between mind and body.
Impact of Spiritual AbuseErin Hung shares her candid experiences of spiritual abuse within her faith community, highlighting an issue that is oftentimes overlooked or swept under the rug. Such experiences can cause an individual to internalize pain and shame, profoundly impacting their perceptions of self and their relationship with their faith. As Erin rightly emphasizes, acknowledging and addressing the impacts of spiritual abuse is crucial in the journey towards healing.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Follow Erin Hung on Instagram at @erinhung_studio to see her beautiful art and stay updated on her latest projects and movements.
Contribute to the A to Z of trauma recovery movement by using the hashtag #AtoZofTraumaRecovery on social media to share your own creative expressions and join the community of healing and support.
Explore the A to Z of trauma recovery hashtag on social media to view the diverse and impactful artwork and expressions shared by others in the community.
Engage in right brain activities such as art, creativity, and expression to process and heal from trauma, allowing yourself to explore your own creative impulses and find healing through artistic endeavors.
Reach out to Lori Adams-Brown to share your thoughts and experiences, and to connect with others who are navigating similar journeys of healing and recovery.
I think for people, when they say they are not creative or they're not artistically inclined, I want to try and be the person that brings that piece. That's like, maybe if I ignite this match, you might burn a fire. It might kindle a fire that could help you on your way. - Erin HungTransformative Power of HealingArt has a powerful potential to heal, as guest Erin Hung explores in her personal journey of self-discovery and recovery. Channeling our creative impulses can serve as a means of processing personal experiences and finding solace, particularly when navigating trauma. As Erin notes, the exploration of art can foster empowerment, liberation, and ultimately, transformative healing.If we don't answer to what the creative impulse or the thing that God put inside us and fully explore that, then it's very hard to imagine a way forward for ourselves and for the church. - Erin HungRole of Therapy as CatalystTherapy, particularly non-verbal modalities such as art and somatic body work, can act as a catalyst for trauma recovery. Erin Hung recounted how these therapeutic methods empowered her to process her personal traumas, finding a language for her experiences that words could not capture. As a creative outlet, therapy can enable an individual unparalleled self-expression, providing a pathway towards understanding, acceptance, and healing.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and Guest Erin Hung 00:02:41 - Erin's Journey as an Artist and Advocate 00:10:29 - Cultural Influence on Faith and Interpretation of Scriptures 00:14:28 - Decolonizing Scriptures and Cultural Identity 00:16:17 - Disentangling Cultural Norms and Global Conversations 00:18:23 - Understanding Family Trauma and Shame Culture 00:19:23 - Overcoming Shame and Sharing Personal Trauma 00:20:32 - Decolonizing Faith and Silence 00:21:10 - Healing Through Creativity and Somatic Work 00:27:47 - Experiencing Spiritual Abuse and Gaslighting 00:35:11 - Realization of Making a Difference 00:36:39 - Healing Through Creativity 00:39:39 - The Power of Creativity 00:42:41 - A to Z of Trauma Recovery 00:49:42 - Embracing Beauty and Joy Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introducing the Podcast and Guest Erin Hung Lori introduces the podcast and guest Erin Hung, an artist living in Hong Kong, known for her illustration work, murals, and community art. Erin's background in the evangelical faith and her journey through religious trauma is also mentioned.00:02:41 - Erin's Journey as an Artist and Advocate Erin shares her upbringing in an evangelical family in Hong Kong, her experiences with art and faith, and the cultural pressures she faced as a creative individual within her community. She also discusses the intersection of her faith with her artistic sensibilities.00:10:29 - Cultural Influence on Faith and Interpretation of Scriptures Erin delves into the impact of cultural undertones in Chinese churches, specifically the concept of Filio piety and its influence on interpretation of biblical teachings. She reflects on the need to challenge traditional interpretations and explore diverse perspectives within the faith community.00:14:28 - Decolonizing Scriptures and Cultural Identity Erin discusses the concept of decolonizing scriptures and its relevance to her own faith experience, particularly in the context of being Chinese and the impact of colonization on cultural identity. She highlights the growing global conversation around colonization and the need for broader understanding.00:16:17 - Disentangling Cultural Norms and Global Conversations Erin shares her journey of disentangling cultural norms and understanding the broader historical and global conversations surrounding colonization. She emphasizes the importance of gaining a broader worldview to challenge entrenched cultural dynamics and promote00:18:23 - Understanding Family Trauma and Shame Culture Erin discusses the intergenerational trauma within families and the shame culture that perpetuates silence about taboo topics, making others uncomfortable and bringing shame onto oneself and the family.00:19:23 - Overcoming Shame and Sharing Personal Trauma Erin shares her openness about discussing personal childhood trauma, acknowledging the potential shame it brings to friends and family, and the collective nature of shame within the community.00:20:32 - Decolonizing Faith and Silence Erin delves into the intertwining of faith, church abuse, submission, and shame, highlighting the tendency to silence uncomfortable truths, sweep issues under the rug, and the challenges of decolonizing these ingrained dynamics.00:21:10 - Healing Through Creativity and Somatic Work Erin shares her journey of healing through somatic activities like art and gardening, emphasizing how these activities helped her process trauma and connect with her spirituality in a new way.00:27:47 - Experiencing Spiritual Abuse and Gaslighting Erin reflects on her experiences of spiritual abuse, gaslighting, and the struggle to find her voice within church settings, ultimately leading to her pursuit of therapy to gain clarity and language for unhealthy dynamics.00:35:11 - Realization of Making a Difference Erin reflects on her realization that making a difference does not depend on credentials. She shares her journey of trying to make a difference and the examination of why it wasn't working.00:36:39 - Healing Through Creativity Erin discusses her artistic expression as a means of healing. She shares her fear of not leaving a mark in the world and the importance of exploring creativity for healing and personal growth.00:39:39 - The Power of Creativity Erin emphasizes the importance of creativity in finding solutions and moving forward. She encourages people to explore their creative impulses and imaginations, highlighting the need for outside-the-box thinking.00:42:41 - A to Z of Trauma Recovery Erin introduces the A to Z of trauma recovery movement she started, emphasizing the inclusivity and diversity in the community. She shares how creative expression is a powerful tool for healing and processing trauma.00:49:42 - Embracing Beauty and Joy The host reflects on the importance of adding beauty, joy, and hope in life to build resilience in facing hard times. Erin's story serves as a reminder of the power of artistic expression in navigating life's challenges.
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Mar 6, 2024 • 46min
Dr. Nijay Gupta on Rethinking Religion: The Roman Empire's Influence on Early Christians
Hey there, are you feeling disillusioned with modern Christianity? Have you been told to just accept the status quo and keep quiet about your doubts and concerns? It can be frustrating to feel like you're not getting the authentic experience you're seeking, especially when it comes to your faith. If you're tired of the ineffective advice to just go along with it, let's explore a better way to understand the history and context of early Christians that can revitalize your faith, whatever your faith background and bring new perspective to your journey. Let's dive into the compelling insights that can reignite your passion for authentic faith, even if that seems a little strange in your current religious context.My special guest is Dr. Nijay GuptaDr. Nijay Gupta, a distinguished professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, is widely recognized for his scholarly contributions to early Christian studies. Residing in Portland, Oregon, Dr. Gupta also serves as a co-host of the acclaimed Slow Theology podcast and is the founder of the influential Crux Sola blog. With an extensive repertoire of published works, including "Strange Religion," and "Tell Her Story," Dr. Gupta's comprehensive understanding of the historical and cultural context of early Christianity renders him a leading authority in the field. His latest book provides an insightful examination of the ways in which early Christians diverged from the prevalent religious and cultural norms of the Roman Empire, offering a compelling narrative that enriches our understanding of this pivotal era.I want to believe that is a great and beautiful thing for anyone who feels like their movement has gone astray, whether it's a political movement, a religious movement, a social movement, we can always say, what are the good and beautiful and true things that made us who we are at the beginning? How can we come back to that now? - Dr. Nijay GuptaIn this episode, you will be able to:
Embrace the uniqueness of early Christian teachings to deepen your understanding of faith and spirituality.
Experience a paradigm shift in your perception of religion by exploring the roots of early Christianity.
Explore the profound impact of early Christian theology on modern belief systems and moral values.
Challenge yourself to embody the concept of loving one's enemies and understand its significance in daily life.
Discover the importance of prioritizing self-care and well-being through the lens of early Christian teachings.
Experience a Paradigm ShiftThe early Christian revolution led to a paradigm shift, moving from power-driven religious practices towards a focus on goodness and authenticity. It revolutionized societal perceptions, promoting a familial relationship with God over a hierarchical one. This shift redefined societal values, placing emphasis on the inherent dignity of every individual, thus influencing modern perceptions of self-worth and individual rights.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Check out Nijay Gupta's latest book Strange Religion: How Early Christians Contrasted with Roman Religion and Culture available from Brazos Press for a deep dive into the contrast between ancient and modern perspectives on Christianity.
Join the exclusive Difference Maker community on Patreon at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to access deeper conversations with guests like Nijay Gupta and enjoy exclusive content, including videos and interactions with the host.
Connect with Lori Adams-Brown at Podcast Movement Evolutions in LA at the end of March and attend her breakout session on having a global podcast.
Listen to the Slow Theology podcast co-hosted by Nijay Gupta and Dr. AJ Swoboda for discussions on deconstruction, faith, and navigating a complex world.
Engage with the World of Difference podcast by reaching out to Lori Adams-Brown on social media to share how the podcast has impacted your life and work.
Check out Nijay Gupta's latest book Strange Religion: How Early Christians Contrasted with Roman Religion and Culture available from Brazos Press for a deep dive into the contrast between ancient and modern perspectives on Christianity.
Join the exclusive Difference Maker community on Patreon at www.patreon.com/aworldofdifference to access deeper conversations with guests like Nijay Gupta and enjoy exclusive content, including videos and interactions with the host.
Connect with Lori Adams-Brown at Podcast Movement Evolutions in LA at the end of March and attend her breakout session on having a global podcast.
Listen to the Slow Theology podcast co-hosted by Nijay Gupta and Dr. AJ Swaboda for discussions on deconstruction, faith, and navigating a complex world.
Engage with the World of Difference podcast by reaching out to Lori Adams-Brown on social media to share how the podcast has impacted your life and work.
Let suffering speak for the atrocities that are done then and now in the name of Jesus by Christians who should know better. But there's so much in scripture that has done so many good things for the things we take for granted right now. - Dr. Nijay GuptaEmbrace the UniquenessEmbracing the uniqueness of early Christianity involves accepting its inherent non-conformity, individuality, and authenticity. It requires acknowledging the contrast between early Christian ideals and the current negative perceptions that have tainted the contemporary church. This embrace urges us to strive for a return to the faith's original, 'weird' roots, without the distortions prevalent in current mega-church culture.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast 00:01:05 - Sponsorship and Therapy 00:01:27 - Introduction of Dr. Nijay Gupta 00:02:23 - The Concept of "Strange Religion," 00:11:43 - Contrasting Ancient and Modern Religious Practices 00:14:24 - Early Christian Environment 00:17:29 - Religion in the Ancient World 00:19:47 - Gods and Fear 00:21:42 - Paradigm Shift 00:26:39 - Christianity's Evolution 00:29:47 - The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies 00:32:40 - Divisions and Unity 00:33:22 - Suspending Judgment 00:34:23 - Uncovering the Original Message 00:40:39 - The Impact of Early Christians 00:43:12 - Excitement for Podcast Movement Evolutions 00:43:36 - Meeting Listeners 00:43:56 - Gratitude and Encouragement 00:44:20 - Shoutout to Nijay Gupta 00:44:45 - Closing Remarks Experience a Paradigm ShiftThe early Christian revolution led to a paradigm shift, moving from power-driven religious practices towards a focus on goodness and authenticity. It revolutionized societal perceptions, promoting a familial relationship with God over a hierarchical one. This shift redefined societal values, placing emphasis on the inherent dignity of every individual, thus influencing modern perceptions of self-worth and individual rights.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Introduction to the Podcast Lori Adams Brown introduces the World of Difference podcast and its focus on those who are different and want to make a difference. The podcast is sponsored by Betterhelp, emphasizing the importance of therapy for personal growth and understanding strengths.00:01:05 - Sponsorship and Therapy Lori highlights the role of therapy in personal development and offers a 10% discount for Betterhelp. She encourages listeners to consider the benefits of talking to a professional about life's challenges and self-discovery.00:01:27 - Introduction of Dr. Nijay Gupta Lori introduces Dr. Nijay Gupta, a professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary, highlighting his expertise and previous works. She previews the discussion of his latest book, "Strange Religion," and its focus on early Christians contrasting with Roman culture.00:02:23 - The Concept of "Strange Religion," Dr. Nijay Gupta explains the concept behind his book, "Strange Religion," drawing parallels between the unique individuality of Portland, Oregon, and the early Christians' commitment to a different way of living and beliefs. He emphasizes the need to rediscover the original, revolutionary essence of Christianity.00:11:43 - Contrasting Ancient and Modern Religious Practices Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the differences between ancient Roman religion and modern Western views of religion. He highlights the public, obligatory, and practical nature of ancient Roman religion, contrasting it with the optional and personal approach often seen in modern00:14:24 - Early Christian Environment Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the environment in which early Christians grew up, where religion was an obligation and a question of power and obedience to gods.00:17:29 - Religion in the Ancient World Gupta compares the saturation of religion in the ancient world to modern sports culture, highlighting the obligatory nature of religion during that time.00:19:47 - Gods and Fear Gupta explores the fear and power dynamics associated with the gods in the ancient world, and how early Christians rejected this paradigm by emphasizing a loving parental relationship with God.00:21:42 - Paradigm Shift The conversation delves into how early Christians shifted the religious paradigm from power and coercion to one of inherent dignity for all individuals, leading to a different socio-economic outlook.00:26:39 - Christianity's Evolution Gupta reflects on the need for Christianity to constantly evolve and change for the better, drawing inspiration from historical figures like Dietrich von Hoeffer and emphasizing the importance of returning to the core ideas of the faith.00:29:47 - The Challenge of Loving Your Enemies Dr. Nijay Gupta discusses the difficulty of Jesus' teaching to love your enemies and how it applies to our world today, especially in the face of political strife.00:32:40 - Divisions and Unity Dr. Gupta talks about how divisions exist not only in the political sphere but also in various parts of the world and emphasizes the importance of loving our enemies as a way to overcome these divisions and unite people.00:33:22 - Suspending Judgment The conversation delves into the challenge of suspending judgment, especially in today's society, and how it relates to the teachings of Jesus in the Bible.00:34:23 - Uncovering the Original Message Dr. Gupta shares the importance of revisiting the original teachings of Christianity and scripture, encouraging readers to look beyond the negative aspects and discover the timeless truths within.00:40:39 - The Impact of Early Christians The conversation concludes with a discussion on the impact of early Christians in history and how their values and ideals continue to influence social change and justice movements today.00:43:12 - Excitement for Podcast Movement Evolutions Lori shares her excitement for attending Podcast Movement Evolutions in LA and meeting up with listeners. She mentions the opportunity to meet Amy Poehler and her previous experience of hearing will Ferrell.00:43:36 - Meeting Listeners Lori expresses her eagerness to meet listeners of the podcast at the event and encourages them to come up and say hi. She values connecting with her audience and appreciates their support.00:43:56 - Gratitude and Encouragement Lori expresses gratitude to the listeners for taking the time to tune in and emphasizes the importance of self-care. She encourages everyone to keep making a difference in their own way, wherever they are.00:44:20 - Shoutout to Nijay Gupta Lori acknowledges Dr. Nijay Gupta and his perspective shared in the conversation, thanking him for his insights and contribution to the episode.00:44:45 - Closing Remarks Lori wraps up the episode with a reminder of the value each listener holds and encourages them to continue making a positive impact in the world.Impactful TheologyEarly Christian theology was transformative, marking a stark departure from the ancient Roman religious practices and fostering a culture of empathy and love. The teachings of Jesus, particularly those focused on love and compassion towards one’s enemies, remains relevant even in today's divisive world. Through a careful examination of our attitudes towards others, especially those with differing ideologies, we can more fully embody these teachings, fostering social transformation and bringing about meaningful change.
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Feb 28, 2024 • 51min
Making Money While Making a Difference: An Expert's Blueprint with Bessi Graham
Hey, have you ever felt like you're trying to do the right thing in your business, but it just feels like too much? Like you want to merge profit with purpose, but it seems overwhelming. You're not alone. Many leaders struggle with this, and it can lead to burnout and exhaustion. Let's tackle this together and find a way to align your values with your business practices without feeling overwhelmed.My special guest is Bessi GrahamToday, we are honored to have Bessi Graham as our guest on the show, joining us from Melbourne, Australia. Bessi is a highly respected entrepreneur with over two decades of experience working closely with business owners, government entities, and major funding bodies. Her extensive involvement ranges from grassroots initiatives with business owners in the Pacific Islands to impactful contributions at the United Nations headquarters in Geneva. Bessi's unparalleled perspective and deep understanding of merging profit and purpose have made her a sought-after authority in the realm of ethical and sustainable business practices. Her commitment to guiding individuals in aligning their values with their business endeavors has led to the creation of impactful legacies. With her wealth of experience in ethical and purpose-driven enterprises, Bessi brings invaluable insights to our discussion today.I think regardless of where your leadership position is in the organization, it's starting with those pieces of where do I have decision making control, or at least some influence, and then how do I shape things from there towards this idea of business where we're unapologetically pursuing both? - Bessi GrahamIn this episode, you will be able to:
Discover how to merge profit and purpose for a more sustainable business model.
Explore the importance of authentic leadership values in driving organizational success.
Learn the benefits of embracing diversity in decision-making processes for better business outcomes.
Humanize your leadership style to create a more inclusive and empowering workplace environment.
Find out how to effectively balance profit with social impact for a meaningful and successful business.
Diversity in decision-makingDiversity fuels creativity, fosters a broader perspective, and aids in making more informed decisions. Bessi advocates for diverse perspectives in decision-making processes and leadership roles, believing it leads to a more inclusive and effective work environment. She stresses the value of stepping out of one's comfort zone to gain a deeper understanding of various contexts, making decision-making a shared and holistic process.The resources mentioned in this episode are:
Visit Bessi Graham's website at Bessigraham.com to learn more about her work and access valuable resources.
Download a free resource from Bessi Graham's website that includes five essential questions for decisive leaders to gain clarity on important decisions.
Join the Patreon community at www.patreon.com/aWorldofDifference to access an exclusive interview with Bessi Graham, where she delves deeper into self-leadership and resilience for leaders.
You need to apprentice with the problem. Don't just assume you understand something. Don't think that good intentions are good enough. - Bessi GrahamAuthentic leadership valuesLeadership, as per Bessi, should echo authentic values. It is important that leaders' actions align with their stated values to build trust, credibility, and influence. Moreover, these values should inform decision-making processes ensuring organisational integrity and fostering a culture of honesty and transparency.The key moments in this episode are:00:00:02 - Bridging Profit and Purpose00:06:49 - Impact of Living Abroad00:10:14 - Humanizing Leadership00:14:06 - Influence of Values00:15:14 - Meaningful Values00:16:04 - The Importance of Core Values00:17:10 - Aligning Values with Action00:18:11 - Core Values in Organizations00:19:03 - Decision Cascade and Clarity00:25:00 - Bridging Systemic and Grassroots Perspectives00:31:08 - Apprenticing with the Problem00:36:17 - Balancing Purpose and Profit00:39:57 - Shaping Decision-Making00:42:19 - Purpose and Opportunity00:43:44 - Connecting with Bessie00:45:55 - Learning from Experience00:46:32 - Resilience and Self-Leadership00:47:07 - Taking a Break without Compromising Impact00:47:45 - Embracing IndividualityWe need to hold these two. This goes back to your both and mindset. Right. So as a leader, being able to hold two things that seem contradictory and say they're equally true. - Bessi GrahamMerge profit and purposeBessi Graham emphasizes that profitability and purpose are not mutually exclusive. One can create a business model that aligns with personal values, promotes social impact, and ensures financial success. The trick lies in understanding customer value, and in finding ways to create and capture said value while benefiting society.Timestamped summary of this episode:00:00:02 - Bridging Profit and PurposeBessie discusses the importance of merging money and meaning in business. She emphasizes the need for leaders to uncover their unconscious beliefs about the purpose of business and how it impacts decision-making.00:06:49 - Impact of Living AbroadBessie shares how her experiences living in different countries shaped her perspective as a leader. She highlights the value of diverse perspectives and the importance of intentionally seeking out different viewpoints in leadership.00:10:14 - Humanizing LeadershipBessie delves into the concept of humanizing leadership and the need to treat employees as more than just cogs in a wheel. She emphasizes the importance of integrating purpose into business decisions and creating a more holistic approach to leadership.00:14:06 - Influence of ValuesBessie discusses the influence of values on decision-making as a leader. She emphasizes the need for leaders to understand and articulate their values, and how values drive behavior in business settings.00:15:14 - Meaningful ValuesBessie explores the deeper meaning of values in business and challenges the superficial approach often taken. She emphasizes the importance of values as a guiding force in decision-making and living authentically as a leader.00:16:04 - The Importance of Core ValuesBessi discusses the significance of identifying and living by core values. She emphasizes intentionally cultivating conditions that allow individuals to live in alignment with their values, leading to better decision-making and natural best performance.00:17:10 - Aligning Values with ActionBessi emphasizes the need for values to inform decision-making and actions. She highlights the importance of having values as filters for decision-making, particularly in fast-paced environments, to maintain integrity and alignment.00:18:11 - Core Values in OrganizationsBessi stresses the need for clarity in company core values, cautioning against superficial or simplistic lists. She emphasizes the importance of aligning values with behavior and action, not just as aspirational values, to build trust and integrity within the organization.00:19:03 - Decision Cascade and ClarityBessi introduces the concept of the decision cascade as a tool for unlocking clarity and decisiveness, particularly around values. She explains how breaking down decisions into primary, secondary, and tertiary levels can lead to smoother decision-making and prevent costly missteps.00:25:00 - Bridging Systemic and Grassroots PerspectivesBessi shares her experiences working at both grassroots and systemic levels, emphasizing the importance of understanding broader systems while still being connected to the ground reality. She highlights the value of expanding perspectives to bridge different worlds and drive innovation in leadership.00:31:08 - Apprenticing with the ProblemBessie shares Pamela Hardigan's advice to "apprentice with the problem," emphasizing curiosity, asking questions, and having conversations rather than assuming we know best. She also highlights the importance of holding seemingly contradictory ideas in our minds and working towards a balance.00:36:17 - Balancing Purpose and ProfitBessie discusses how many leaders feel overwhelmed by the idea of adding purpose to their business, seeing it as a distraction or expense. She challenges this perspective, encouraging leaders to merge money and meaning by pursuing competitive advantages that add value and relieve pressure.00:39:57 - Shaping Decision-MakingBessie emphasizes the importance of shaping decisions and influencing outcomes, even for middle managers. She encourages leaders to create psychologically safe spaces for their teams, shape how directives are shared, and cultivate a culture of unapologetically pursuing both purpose and profit.00:42:19 - Purpose and OpportunityBessie speaks about the belief that money and meaning can be merged, leading to a self-reinforcing loop of delivering and capturing value. She encourages leaders to shift their perspective, innovate in their business models, and create win-win situations that relieve pressure and stress.00:43:44 - Connecting with BessieLori thanks Bessie for sharing her unique perspective and encourages listeners to visit Bessie's website for more resources and insights. Bessie offers a free download of five essential questions00:45:55 - Learning from ExperienceLori discusses the value of sharing knowledge and learning from others, highlighting Bessi Graham's extensive experience working at the UN headquarters and in diverse locations like the Pacific islands and Melbourne, Australia.00:46:32 - Resilience and Self-LeadershipThe conversation delves into the importance of resilience and self-leadership, offering insights on how to navigate difficult circumstances and make congruent decisions to alleviate burnout.00:47:07 - Taking a Break without Compromising ImpactLori emphasizes the significance of taking breaks and self-care while continuing to make a difference in the world, encouraging listeners to stay true to themselves and bring their unique contributions to the table.00:47:45 - Embracing IndividualityThe episode concludes with a reminder to embrace individuality and show up authentically, highlighting the importance of being true to oneself and making a difference in the world. Lori urges listeners to take care of themselves and continue making an impact.
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